Is their game and they can do whatever they want with it!

Maybe you should stop listening to socialists user. Can they do what they want with a product they made? Yes, it is called capitalism. What we get to do as the customer is say their product is shit and will not buy it. Your argument has fuck all to do with giving proper criticism. It is an excuse for customers in denial that their producer made a faulty product and refuse to admit their own responsibilities as a customer.

I haven't a single one of these peoples games in more than a decade and i have no idea who #4 is.

#4 is Steve from Digital Extremes, developers of Warframe.

Kojima did nothing wrong. Even at their worst the metal gear solid games are well designed enjoyable games. For people who complain about the market? Don't be a retard and buy things you don't like, its really that simple.

These kind of arguments are the definition of retardation.
Yes it's their game, but it's not like they're doing us a favor by making it or it's a gift, we're still paying for it, and paying for it makes us consumers that are entitled to have a say in the matter.

This kills the crab

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When did it start exactly? I don't recall even giving a shit about any singular person involved with making video games nor really hearing much about them aside from Romero in a public spotlight sort of way for years. Maybe blame him and whoever started that style of marketing. Social media likely hasn't helped either.

I guess there are a few more, like Lord British and Sid Meier but the latter just always felt more like branding.

Well, it is an awfully tricky philosophical conundrum, is it not?

I mean, how can you argue that it is indeed _their game_? That they will make how they wish? Can you just DENY that?!?

Well, I suppose you can. I mean, if you look at how massive a glut of games there are, including not totally novel ones, you can easily realize that, with so many of those, a new game most likely would not actually exist to you.

Therefore, it is not actually their game, it doesn't matter whose game it is, because it isn't actually a game, it isn't of sufficient interest to legitimately exist! Not until they manage in making it of sufficient interest. Not accepting that claim requires believing that that "game" is in fact a nothing.

Yes, it's their game and they can do the fuck they want with it.
And i can refuse to buy it and play it. That's how shit works and it helps us too you faggot. If it was the screaming minority to decide how a game should be there would be niggers and trans everywhere

There's a difference between

and

They can do whatever they want with the game. That doesn't mean people can't complain. And if they want their games to sell they should probably listen to fan feedback.

Of course, this is oversimplifying it. Devs need good judgement on when to listen, when to compromise and when to stand their ground.

…. user did you come through a time portal? Because there are niggers and trannies in every fucking game now

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They're right, though.
It's their game and they can do whatever they want with it. And it's our money and life, and we have the right to call it shit and not buy it. Open criticism is an important part of the artistic process. They can make whatever game they want, but they are still usually at least somewhat controlled by the whims of the public as long as they're selling their games, unless you're one of the few lucky devs who are big enough to have devoted fans but not too big that your shareholders pull all the cords, and you can make whatever you want and still make a profit.

Either way, the point is that it's not a bad argument until they try to stop criticism with it. It's my criticism, and I can do whatever I want with it. Sure it's a point that they can do whatever they want with their game, it still doesn't change how good or bad it is and it's not going to change my thoughts, so it's not a particularly useful point.

Not everywhere and japs game are mostly safe. I hope they don't follow the trend but i've seen some push for marriage equality shit there too

Nigger srsly?

At least Lord British was an actual person and character in his games, especially the MMO. That moment when he got ganked in UO was fucking hilarious. Still is to this day.

Devs can do what they want, I can do what I want.
If I want to avoid paying for their shovelware and post about them being fucktards because they make shit decisions I will.

Israel is the name of an ancient state you stupid fuck.

The argument that it's "their game" is also extinguished when you're dealing with licensed games. This would be particularly impactful if you were able to confidently refer to people who only play licensed games, with the implication that they do so because they don't trust any other games not to be shit.

but it isnt my game. i dont have to like it

That's true, though. The problem is when this excuse is deployed in defense of publishers, who have no creative value to add to a product.

There is also a fundamental misunderstanding that criticism is meant to change a product. In decades past it was simply a critique, like those of movies, used to judge whether you wanted to spend money on the product. Video games have become uniquely nightmarish in that the critique can now actually alter the product after the fact.

Rather than granting critics the power to shape the industry, that essentially makes professional critics completely pointless. At any point an aspect on which their opinions are based can be altered, improved, or removed entirely, at the whim of the aforementioned publisher which has no creative integrity. So it's impossible to make an informed buying decision using this media apparatus that exists solely for informing consumers.

It's also a symptom of never-finished game development cancer, but that's another rant.

Fuck off you retarded conspiracy nut.

That milf from Sierra back in the day was pretty popular and mainstream as well.

Butthurt jew detected. Upset about how Yahweh abandoned you after the destruction of the second temple and extinguishing of the priestly bloodlines?

I agree with the rabid fanboys. If they want to ruin the games, go ahead. I'll just move on the the next game. e.g. They made Diablo 3 mini-WoW. I moved onto Path of Exile.

They can do whatever they want, but I have the freedom to call it shit and not give them my money. It's a good deal.

Do you mean Judea?

I don't mind it being "their game" so long as I can laugh at them when their virtue signaling propaganda ends up blowing in their faces and they go out of business.

Burn in Hell, cuck/kike

They are free to make what they want
Everyone is free to criticize
You are free to not buy the product

Free is the important word there

"If you don't buy our leftist propaganda you're racist."

Nothing wrong with that. Stop buying western shit and westaboo shit.

Don't like it, don't play it?

More notably; Unreal. Also I walk by their HQ every day.

People nowadays (including a lot of the posters here on Holla Forums) are raised to believe that talking about a concept, a thing, or a person is support/opinion/endorsement. You can't talk about the criticisms of something, because that means that you hate it. You can't talk about the positives of a bad thing, because that means you like it. Not to tag the religious, but this all-or-nothing approach is truly a byproduct of people who believe that either all of it is okay or none of it is okay. You can't be critical of something that you/others like, otherwise it means you hate it. You can't be positive about something that you/others dislike, otherwise it means you like it.

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Get gassed, kike

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You nose has been exposed, kill yourself.

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A perpetual victim mentality. And surprise, surprise don't forget about the 6 quintillion gygaligashiggydiggillion

So wise.

You should take your meds, seems you've had some disconnect with reality.

Because it is their game, and the developers/publishers can do whatever they want with it. However, that doesn't protect the company from how the public reacts.

Although, I would like to say that I wish people to stop throwing a shitfest every time a company (Like Nintendo or Atlus) says "Do not record 'X' unless you follow these specific rules." If people really found the rules to be that obtrusive, why can't they bother themselves to record a different game, from a different company, that doesn't have the restrictive rules? That'd say a lot more than whining about it.

Practically everything people are exposed to is designed to make them as herd-like & slave-like as possible. Perhaps the innate nature of some can account for part of it, but do you really think this would be as bad without the plethora of tightly-controlled sites that make group adherence the utmost priority?

Ive rarely seen devs interact with the community directly and for good reason - the majority in any game community is made up of flaming retards.

They state the obvious as if that somehow negates your dislike of the developers retarded decisions.

They reframe it from being "you shouldn't have made this so shit" to instead being "you did something illegal by making this so shit". Fucking retard shills, mouth-breathers who watch Sitcoms and reality TV shows and watch late night shows.

Well that is technically true.

They'll do what they'll do with their game, but I won't put up with it!

Funny to hear blizzdrones say that, being that listening to the retarded mutant normalfag fanbase is what killed warcraft and will kill overwatch.

Yeah, i liked that one game i once tried out, that gaming-journalist said it was the best ever where you like walk around, cutscene, walk into some pipes to hide, cutscene, new chapter, walk into a building, cutscene, new chapter, a bad guy comes out, new chapter and mission, kill him, a cutscene and new chapter, a robot-cow shows up, new chapter, mission accomplished.

And that was just the first minutes.

Only retards with attention-spans of a woodpecker on meth would like those games.

On one side, you get the people who are insistent on devs doing whatever they want, regardless of how it impacts the quality of a game. On the other side, you get those who want devs to exclusively listen to the most frequent complaints, usually resulting in games getting watered down, and changes simply resulting in different people complaining.

Right now OW cross promotion with HOTS is shaking the fanbase a little, turns out D.Va in HOTS is very playable despite not being a powerhouse while OW D.Va feels butchered thanks to being relegated to a defense matrix slave, people are beginning to put 2 and 2 together and are noticing how OW developers do what they please and ignore feedback from people who play PTR while HOTS developers seem to be doing a good job balancing the game despite the game not being as popular.

Most of the time the OP argument is used comes for something like the following.

-Extreme localization, memes, censorship.
-Complete change in tone for a reboot.
-Microtransactions and other anti-consumer practices.
-Mindless rebalancing in multiplayer games which result in power creep.

Reported. Kill yourself.

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You forget your cowboy hat with that post, user?

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This needs to stop, why are websites full of idiots who give up the right the devs and basically blame a single person like they're saboteurs or traitors?

*the right to criticize the devs
Man I fucked up that shitpost

It goes both ways, people worship those "super famous directors" and people end up blaming only them, still.

It's anti-Golem ward.

thanks, kikemerica

U wot m8?

I know that feeling all to well. I was explaining to someone why saudi arabia is a terrible theocratic county ruled by an extremist fundamentalist strain of Islam called wahhabism, and her take away from this nuanced explanation was that I don't like Muslims.

Fuck off fenceshitter

The (((shepard))) herds his goyim using upvote/downvote bots and other forms of manipulation such as mod-coercion to steer public onion in specific directions.

when will Mark ban all of the political shills

when you report them? i dont think anything gets banned until its reported.

No, no, that was after they split apart.

check em

But are you not going to properly acknowledge the issue?

IT'S THEIR GAME!! IS IT NOT?

Unless it's a movie game, right? And what are those, a minority of games, but perhaps a majority of sales?

And what about launch titles/exclusives? Those games belong to the system itself, do they not?

But if it isn't a game based of a movie, or an exclusive, it needs to be special, it needs keep you reminded of how distinct it is from those kind of games! So there you can see why they need to FIGHT for keeping their game their game!

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Devs can do whatever they want with their game. That doesn't mean you cant criticize their decisions.

Hey, to get an objective view of the issue of the game being their game, you all should look at situations where it ISN'T their game, and what happens then!

Like with Lucasarts and Raven software. So, then when raven was making a game, it wasn't actually their game! And then what did they do when Disney took charge of star wars? Those conniving scoundrels at Raven LEAKED the source code! Can you believe that, the nerve to pull something like that on them, not caring that it was THEIR UNIVERSE!

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what makes them the same is how emotionally attached they are to their labels and how they let that define everything about themselves, rather than the other way around

Because circlejerks are gratifying and there's some smug sense of righteousness about telling people off for being unpleasant or something, especially in the SJW age where emotional discomfort is like violence or shit.

Nutjobs, please take your conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats and go back to Holla Forums.

Stop shitting up Holla Forums with your cancerous nazi crap.

You people know what's really, seriously perverse?

They've been doing the "it's their game" chant about infinity engine titles … but predictably not way back in the day, when it would have actually been logical. Nope, rather, itt's been so over at Beamdog's forums about thems "enhaced" editions!

Just wrap your heads around that!

Yes
No. Kill yourself.

Fuck off.

We have to accept that we don't make these games and that the people making most of the 'big titles' these days are soulless money grubbing entities corralling spineless, barely PC literate kids into listening to a load of casual pisspants faggots who whine about doing anything past holding a direction and pressing A.

The industry has been morphed into a contrivance of it's self in the pursuit of appealing to mush brained gimps with more money than sense.

then is in fact

What they *should* be doing is another matter entirely.

meanwhile we have guys trying to figure out how to beat the game without pressing a

Any wonder? With PCs being more clunky and harder to make sense of, yet so much easier than before to have running? But that's not really the issue here, it's clearly what the companies are set on is getting at them while they're impressionable, capturing them and also establishing themselves as an electronic brat tethering product.

EA and co have too much creative say in what gets put out, their employees and the employees of their subsidiaries aren't allowed to step out of line of their 'vision' thus creatives get squashed and a hostile work environment bares down on fresh-out-of-the-box programmers, (most of whom don't really deserve the title) hence tripe like ME:A hitting the shelves like hot slurry.

There needs to be a cumulative effort to retain and re-model ideas and features from the past into new and future game engines making it easier for everyone to put together something passable and making that strive to improve everything part of the ethos that pushes development forward for everyone. Instead you get Balkanised everything, legal issues, DRM, engines dropping features, programmers becoming dumber, SJW hires and people actually listening to focus groups and play-testers when they say shit's too hard for their lazy/retard ass to figure out.

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I would say that I agree that it is "their" game. I hope they have fun playing "their" game because I'm not going to buy any(more) of "their" games.

You can easily spot those shills like this one because of the bad re-purposed memes that contains lots of fucking text.

I don't get it why did you post a picture of a nice smiling man putting lotion on his hands?

:^)

Understand this: It is indeed their game and they can very well do whatever the fuck they want with it because it's their property.
This is a fact that you cannot change except by buying our their IP and it has literally nothing to do with "giving up criticism".
You can still say whatever the fuck you want about their game and even refuse to buy it, but you have no control in how it is made or how it changes in the future. The only thing you control is your mouth and your wallet and that's it.

If you're too dumb to understand this, here's a simpler metaphor:
You are free to paint your house pink with yellow balls all you want. Me, your neighbor, cannot force you to use any other color or even prevent you from painting it at all. The only thing I can do is mock you for your poor aesthetic choices and refuse to visit you in your ugly house.
I can't just grab a paint can and do it for you without your permission and I can't force you to paint it a different color if you don't want either or that'd be a crime.

Furthermore, understand the implications of "buying with your wallet" as well. If you refuse to buy their games because it has a feature you dislike, for instance lootboxes, what you are saying is "I'll give you my 60$ when you remove that feature" and the company then assesses what's more lucrative: lootboxes to profit off retards or no lootboxes for loyal fans to support them? this is a very simple question, sadly
However, if you just outright say "I'm not gonna buy any of your games because they were made by X studio\because person Y worked in that game" you are effectively removing yourself as a possible customer. The devs know that it doesn't matter what they do, they are never gonna get you to buy their game and as such, they have no reason to pander to you anymore, so don't expect the game to align with what you want again.

Seriously, this is the very basic concepts of personal property. For a board full of ancaps, right-wingers and capitalists, it's surprising the amount of people that believe themselves entitled to have a say over someone else's property.

Umm, wait, you seem to have gotten that wrong. If you don't buy it, then it ISN'T their game. Because it isn't a game, it's not a question of if it's theirs, it's a question of if it qualifies as a legitimate game.

Except, it isn't enough to not buy it, you have to not even consider buying it. So, umm… I guess you'd have to not play it. And you'd have to not talk about it.

So, probably, the solution is not acknowledging its existence.

Sorry, nope.

If you paint your house pink and yellow, your neighbour can replace all their external lights that would shine on your house with cyan or blue ones to avoid letting those colours show.

Saying they can do what they want with it is bullshit. What makes you think they actually want anything in particular for it? What makes you proclaim that there is a decent level of agreement among the dev team?

Presuming it's their property is also sketchy. How do you know they aren't licensing the engine in a manner that they can't freely distribute the game beyond a certain agreed upon run, or be encumbered in some other such manner?

Declaring it a solid bit of property also assumes that they didn't get some hacker breaking in to their systems and embedding a back door into "their" game, whose game is it really if some shady group can control your computer with it? Hey wait, isn't that very similar to how copy protection schemes function?

That's still your neighbor changing their house that they own, not yours, and it's autistic too, as expected.

What kind of asinine question is that? Money if nothing else is at least something in particular they both want and need and they'll make a game that atracts the biggest amount of people that will buy it. Refuted already, but there's also Devs that have a particular vision and project they want to achieve and work towards, like pretty much every indie studio, or do you think Toady One doesn't want anything in particular from Dwarf Fortress?

The fact that they are adult beings that don't bicker and divide their team over the first disagreement and they see their project done till completion, otherwise there wouldn't even be a game done. Just what kind of retarded point are you trying to make here?

Because the person\team\company that made such engine would sue the fuck out of them and because said engine belongs to the team that made it.
Again with the ridiculous suppositions that don't actually mean anything, regardless of how they use a tool the final product is not the tool itself and they do own it.
Arguing otherwise would be like a stove company arguing it owns part of every food made with their stoves.

Now you're starting to sound like a lunatic, coming up with increasingly crazier scenarios to fit some kind of criteria where your criticism is valid for some point that you're not even making clear.

Even in that scenario, the game does not belong to the "hacker". Control over something does not imply ownership of it, otherwise theft and physical assault would be a legal way to acquire anything. If the company sued the hackers. the state would enforce the ownership of the company and not the hackers.
And no, that's not how "copy protection" works. The team behind Denuvo does not own any of the games that feature their DRM nor do they have any right over it.

Because a majority of fanbases are idiots.

Take Halo's fanbase for example. Circa H3 people thought it was entirely possible for Bungie to add DLC armor and that Bungie "was just too lazy". The reality is Halo's engine is odd in that all maps when compiled are self contained ecosystems, it's not like Half-life which has a file system that the maps reference. In Halo when a map is compiled everything from the level geometry to the AI encounters and everything inbetween is stored in the .map file.

This meant in order to make new armor Bungie would need to update almost everything. (since the UI itself is also a .map file). The result would be a whopping 7+ gigs of a patch that would also break ANY forge map made before as they were compiled without the patch.

I have no clue how 343i does it with H5, but if it's still the -Blam- engine it's most likely a bunch of blank spots in the list that are kept hidden till DLC updates roll out. But even then that doesn't account for the fact each DLC update would need to patch in the models, textures and whatnot.

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its mostly journalists or the company that makes the game devs into idols. Since making a game is hard work, its not lazy or easy work.

So with Kojima it was kinda obvious after mgs 4 and 5 that the other writer had more talent and could edit the story better. But when it comes to bioware after the doctors walked away from the company bioware has become less.

So I would say as long as the game director i unknown or don't want to be the idol its probably going to be a good game.

If you don't like it, don't play it!

Remember to keep cancer and conspiracy shit in Holla Forums

Games are autistic and are only natural to examine in autistic paradigms.

WRONG. That only goes with quarterly reports, franchise-hater!

Oooh, now you expect the board to treat every game as if it's Dwarf Fortress!?

"They shoved something out the door, so how dare you not celebrate them as ass kicking champions of game production?"

Cute, "even if the game is a botnet due to gouge up your system, you still have a duty of deference to the company that brought you it!"…

Not only did your argument associated there not make sense/apply to the situation, but this prospect you want to compare it to is completely outrageous. It's not conceivably what they're planning to do next, and an absurd substitute for that - when they'll "merely" tell you that you don't own the stove because it runs a special software which you're only licensing, after vehicles manufacturers pioneer that trail.

…so the botnet would be okay if the company got revenge against it for you?

The firm counterargument here to decisively invalidate the claim that it's "their game" is that it isn't a game but an interactive movie.

So, successfully establishing that will inevitably put the religious idiot fanbases in their place.

Time to hang, Shekelberg

They can do whatever the fuck they want with their product or propriety, the issue is that they start whining when the consequences of their choices come about.

You ridicule their game and make fun of their ideology pushing? They go cry to the media and screech that gamers are a bunch of misogynistic Nazis out to shoah them. You tell them their game is an overpriced, buggy piece of shit not worth the time? They call you entitled and go "LOL IT'S JUST A GAME XD".

Basically, fuck them all. They're trying to make me give them money, they better put in the fucking effort or no daily shekels.

Not you though right, you're the smart one.

They can do whatever they're told and trained to, but the damn lying shills are obnoxious fucktards to be pumping up massive delusions about them *wanting* to do things.

They're pushing devious presumptions about the developers doing their jobs as if they find them meaningful, they are telling people that it's unthinkable that the developers might know their product is bullshit.

It is lies! There are developers that say "holy shit, what the fuck have I gotten myself into?".

They are right that developers can do whatever they want, but they're wrong in assuming they can't be criticized (I'm assuming your strawman on this is correct).
Developers can do what they want, but their actions will also have to account consumer reaction, in the form of sales. Sales is the way consumers have to dictate where the industry is going towards.

I wonder how long that kind of obtuse map-system takes to compile a map, It probably requires like at least a 32 core ultrasparc to be manageable - so, that must be a deeply embedded obstruction to user created content.

I wish hotpockets when going out of their way to delete uncomfortable posts, would delete linked replies as well, as after their "job" thread becomes a mess and is impossible to follow.

Of course they can. And I can criticize whatever I want. And I really don't like forced Marxism, racemixing and globalization since all of this was proven to be bad.

Dosen't help the game is awful and has the lowest skill ceiling I've ever seen.

Stop whining.

I mean, technically they're NOT wrong.

They can do whatever they want so long as suckers buy their games and their finances are in order.

Complaining on online boards is simply reacting, not acting and changing. Why would they care about the thoughts of somebody who doesn't even know how to program a dev kit, or otherwise work in their field of expertise?

Complaining about movies' writing isn't going to reach the screenwriters either. Either get to the screenwriter and persuade them, or write your own screenplay and get it promoted to a high enough position that you offer the other screenwriters competition. Same principle.

wasn't there some DLC or something in where she would wear less clothes but it turned out she actually had a normal body just wearing a massive layers of clothes?

Hell, if I recall correctly tumblr fatasses were triggered when this was the news.

sage for doublepost

i would rather have a batshit insane dev make their "vision" of a game than some focus-group tested maximum reach horseshit, to be completely honest. the thing is these devs make the latter then act like the former

There needs to be a balance. On one hand developers aren't just some tools to which some retard on the internet can use to make whatever comes to mind at the time.
On the other nothing is above criticism.
Basically what I'm trying to say is listen to everything and take criticism to heart.

And the former is being choked out by the latter.

i'd like to say that eventually it will all consume itself but that's not happening so long as casuals and normalfags enable the development of shitty games

The only problem i have is when a company flat out fucking lies about a game just to make sales, like bullshit promises and features that suddnenly drop off the face of the fucking earth.

If you want to make a shitty fucking game, fine. Do that. You shouldn't be able to lie your ass off to the consumers. Some industries have these standards, I don't know why the gaming industry cannot.

Plus shit nigger just pirate the fucking game, if you dont like it than you successfully told the company to go fuck itself

The problem is astroturfing, it's expanding at an accelerated rate and now everybody is forced to do it, online hype is planned and scripted, all exposure is bought and sold, every other casual conversation is an advertisement. Every lowly indie is now doing stealth marketing and making threads here of all places, the big players have gotten so good at it that it's becoming hard to tell the difference. Conversations are being derailed and directed. There might be a stooge in every thread now, because there's no shortage of people out of a job willing to sell their shitposting experience. In a few years we'll be looking back at 2007 fondly in comparison to what's to come. We had a very short breather following Gamergate because people were a bit more vigilant, but we essentially handed shills a strategy guide on a silver platter by constantly pointing out what they're doing wrong.

IDGAF about the people who make my videogames and I never will. Been gaming since 1998 and I can't name a single developer except maybe Kojiima because he put his name on the cover.

And we're consumers and we can judge/criticize whatever we want.

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man everyone is a critic and theres always gonna be people that dont enjoy it. the best thing to do is find the criticism that applies to what your making. is there a single game/show/movie that has a sizable audience that enjoy it and not another group hate it?

Damn, is there no way out of this? Aside from just playing retro games?

Fuck that shit, they'll still get to us, they'll just shill for ODroid, and Retrolink and Nortecth Edubook, and GOG, and Cedega, and so on instead!

I still dont understand why that picture is funny. And I understand coding.

If I remember correctly sleep is supposed to "pause" the code, so in theory that function would completely pause the game for a day. I'm probably wrong though.

I'm not too sure, I've only done a little bit for uni, but "sleep" seems like an unnecessary calculation since it seems like a constant variable, plus I'm not even sure what it's supposed to accomplish.

Because it's waiting until tomorrow and giving you the current date

Yes, it's getting the tomorrow's date by waiting a day and getting the current date.

My question is, why not just get the current date and then add 24 hours on it?

Great question guy.

what game you fucker

I wonder how would that guy implement a giveYestredaysDate() method

Continue to point it out and make the ones who were bamboozled feel like shit. Shaming is still a VERY effective tool.