RWBY: Grimm Eclipse

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Why is everyone so mad? I thought we talk about shitty games here?

Rwby is shit and if I was in charge I could have made a better show than the one they are making now.

Overwatch has better waifus

Personally you remind me of the waifu autist who goes on and on about rwby so I hope you seriously get aids if you like the franchise or this game
nothing personel, kid

So what you're saying is he's more pathetic than Burch?

I think it's a worse fate to be alive after the cucking, so Burch is still king in my eyes

Well you made a shitty OP with really nothing of value in it, the game's shit and the source material is even worse. That's the basic ingredients for a shite thread.
Off yourself and bring RWBY with you.

Why are people always praising this Monty faggot? Watched some of his shit and I am not getting the hype

the faggot stole

stole assets as well

Is it the 'looks like two dolls smashing together' thing? Or was it the cringe worthy crossover that was Dead Fantasy?

Like pic related?

exactly
you answered your own question
use common sense next time around before making a thread
/thread

I meant the action. It was the going thing it had going for it and even then it wasn't that great. The faggot seemed to only put effort into that part alone, and even then it wasn't rememberable. Also at least sage so this thread doesn't get bumped.

Stop making this fucking thread. The game is shit. It was almost not shit, and the designers made it shit. This same fucking thing has been said every other fucking month for almost a year now. Fuck off.

The "hype" for Monty always came from the fact that he never had any sort of formal training. He just started doing shit on his own with relatively crappy animation software. His own skills were continuing to progress up until the point that he died, but he was known to handicap himself out of autism by just using shitty software instead of getting shit at the industry standard because he didn't want to get out of the /comfy/ zone while working.

Comparing his weak to things put together by a big-budget studio with top of the line software with a team of multiple people is a bit unfair. It would be like comparing an amateur film by a high school student with WMM and a phone camera to a professional film edited on an AVID software suite with HD cameras. Instead, look at the average indie game or model test by a high school student in YouTube.

Besides that, he was big into cosplay, and designed almost all of the outfits for RWBY to be things that someone with a degree of tailoring ability could put together - the hard part would be the weapons. While some are less imaginative than others, a lot of the character designs do look very good, and are extremely underrepresented by the 3D models of the show. Consider pic related in comparison to how the series actually looks. The weapon designs are the biggest selling point, ranging from the only somewhat flashy main show piece (Crescent Rose, the sniper-scythe) to things completely out of left field (a camera that records other weapons and functions as a pocket unlimited blade works).

Things fell apart a lot in execution. Along with the problems in visuals, there was also the simple fact that the writing was sub-par. There are a few lines of dialogue and scenes that stand out, and some likeable characters, but the rest is just not very good. The short length of the first volume, the random fuck ups of pacing in the second, and the lead animator fucking dying before the third all kept it from every really going anywhere. The fourth and most recent is probably the worst yet, despite having everything set-up so that it should have been the best, because the current animators fucking suck and the writers have put out some of their shittiest material yet.

Pretty much the only things that stand out are a couple of scenes, like the Nevermore fight in the first season, the existence of Bane with a chainsaw in the second. There have been three good characters in the series - one is dead, one is designated to die, and one is designated to become the bad guy even though he's literally the only person doing everything right.

With the way you set it up, it sounds like all they need to do to "save" the series is make a few of the characters become extremely meta and pull a 180, as a result of that, in where the series is going.

I'd fuck the blonde and the one with pink and black hair.

Good choice.

That's a guy, you homo.

go back to your containment thread, yangfag

Cry some more, nigger.

The biggest example of the shit writing is how the Nuckelavee, an ancient, intelligent Grimm that personally killed hundreds of Hunters with decades of experience fucking jobbed to a group of teenagers that don't even have a full year of training. Jaune better be this show's Gohan in terms of potential to even begin to justify that. And you just KNOW the cucks at RT are going to use Ironwood to make some shittty jab at Trump everyone can see coming a mile away.

Same, but throw in the catgirl too. Weiss is best though.

The music but only when the main themes from the show play.

The combat is repetitive as all fuck, story is non-existent in a franchise that now wants to be known for it, the voice acting is phoned in as fuck, the graphics are lifeless and soulless, and the game can be beaten in less than 3 hours for its asking price for 20shekels. It was so bad I didn't buy the JNPR DLC because I couldn't be bothered. Online is also laggy as fucking hell and it shouldn't be.

aight

this is a guy, really?

The IP and setting are far from irredeemable if put in the hands of literally anyone else in the world besides Rooster Teeth. It is not an exaggeration to say that the better fan content is exceedingly better than what is actually put out by the company.

The worst part is that the current fourth season could have actually been the best one yet. All of the exposition is done, the cast has been split up across the globe with have their own situations to resolve, and the story can finally advance. Now, a competent writing team would have run with this and done something great with it.

Not Rooster Teeth. They can't into character development. Or actual portrayal of those characters. Or making a threat seem real. Or fucking anything.

Even the music isn't as good as it used to be, since the stupid writers have literally started making the songs have actual lines from the show all of the fucking time instead of letting them be written on their own. Probably because the original soundtrack "didn't match" the direction they're going. There's never going to be something as good as RLRpt2 again.

Shit, though you were talking about Ren.
Neo can change her appearance, so she actually might have a massive cock crammed in her pants somewhere.

I look forward to seeing where this train crash takes us. Why is everyone at RT so pozzed? Is Texas more pozzed than I imagined?

I wish.

Yes. Austin is one of the epicenters of sjw/leftist bullshit in the nation. Guess where RT's based at.

Isn't Austin the same city where America exiled the hippies? That would explain why there's a tiny blue speck in the middle of a red state.

All I heard was that every major update to the game had vastly different gameplay compared to the previous iteration. In the end the development team didn't even seem to know what they wanted to do with it.
Then again I could not care less about this sub-mediocre series, so take what I said with a grain of salt.

Jesus, are the waifu wednesday fags really this secondary?

I'm an idiot for forgetting to sage.

Austin is. From what I heard, it's becoming Silicone Valley 2.0. Also, it's mostly Burnie, Miles, and a few other higher ups at the company who are the pozzed ones. Joel, Geoff, and one other guy (Who's name escapes me) would be classified as "Wrong Thinkers", and probably would have been fired from the company by now if the fans didn't love them so much.

Not sure about "Exiling the Hippies" but I do know that it's one of the most liberal cities in America along with San Francisco and Portland.

This is true, but misses one thing - the gameplay got significantly worse with each iteration.

When it first went into early access:

At release:

RWBY fell apart for a multitude of reasons. Monty's animation is widely considered the beset parts of it, but that's only because the rest of the show is so fucking dogshit in almost every conceivable way that it stands out for being the least shit part of the turd sandwich that is RWBY.

The writing staff are actually incompetent. They have virtually no understanding of pacing, dialogue, character development or even understanding the characters in the first place lore building, etc; The problems are virtually endless and on top of the general retardation of the writers they also had a seriously problem with a lack of communication on Monty's part. The boss fights at the end of one of the seasons were sprung on the staff at the last minute, the writers didn't even know they were a thing because Monty just flat didn't tell anyone about it. I imagine shit like this was common, and could be used to explain away some of the really incongruous shit that happens.

The animation outside of the fight scenes is pretty shit too. Watching characters do anything outside of fighting is fucking embarrassing.

You're right when you say that the character designs are a huge saving grace. I do like the designs, and they say a hell of a lot more about the character's personalities than any of the actual writing does, it's no small wonder that people attach themselves to the cast, they're perfect for stirring the imagination and being fun to emulate. The latest season completely fucked this, though, when they completely butchered all of the designs and made every single character look worse with the slight exception of Yang. But that's only because everyone looks better with a leather jacket and a robot arm.

Then there's the crap VAs. This is pretty much inexcusable, you can go to our /tg/ board right now and find people who can do decent voicework. Only the professionals that they brought in are any decent, and even then, everyone outside of Qrow is missused.

People seem to cut RWBY way more slack than it deserves because they have the mistaken impression that Roosterteeth is some tiny little indie studio of a few dudes in an office who just pal around and have a good time, but those days are long since fucking gone. They're a multi-million dollar corporation, the fact that their flagship show lacks so much in terms of, well, everything is inexcusable.

If I was a higher up at Roosterteeth I'd just purge the staff and start making porn. Kickstart that western hentai industry, it's the only thing the show's good for at this point.

What the fuck is that picture?

You forgot:

Literally the goodest goy.

Unlikely. All evidence points to a green card marriage.

Well fuck me, I didn't realize it was Windows 10.

What's wrong with wifi?

Less secure than a ethernet connection and slower as well.

Let's put it this way - if you have a computer with wifi connectivity, someone else can take advantage of that. If you want full security, you need to be able to literally pull the plug at the drop of a hat.

Every time I see anything about RWBY, it reminds me that I don't have the means to buy out and fix RT. The mistakes being made are so basic that you don't even need someone skilled in animation or business management to fix them. You could set any random user to the task of managing that shitshow and probably get a better result than what's going on.

At least this produces decent 34

Kill yourself

There, from 3 fucking mb of lossy data to 40 kb

I said/did the exact same thing when I first saw it, but then I realized that the original actually held more value, because it causes people to have that reaction in the first place. It's a reaction to itself.

Fuck you and your meta-level trolling

Fucken saved.

Thanks.

I must have slipped through time or something, I see something like this happen here at least once a month

Fixed :^)

Jack, one of the tumors at AH.

I honestly kinda expected that shit from a shitty machinama animator.
Monty was never great and his animation was only ever slightly above average by mmd standards.

The autism on fanfiction.net

Actually it points to cucked to death

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It's even worse, because the woman he married was a Toronto cosplayer feminist. And the moment he was put on life support she couldn't wait to have him taken off of life support. He could have recovered from his coma, but she killed him because she couldn't wait to cash that insurance policy. And rather than give all of the stuff she didn't want to his sister, she threw it all in the trash.

Really?

Yeah. The staff of RoosterTeeth hate the cunt, and they "talked about her" when it all went down, but they wouldn't address her by name. She wanted to start appearing on their stuff to gain internet fame and kickstart a career as an online personality, and the only person who was blind to the whole thing was Monty himself. RoosterTeeth were like "fuck that."

You don't seem to understand Monty's predicament, and the scumminess of RT/AH as a whole. Monty was the man who was cucked to death.

They stole his IP, stole his passion, and then she stole his life, and his gofundme cash. Rooster Teeth are some of the scummiest fuckers out there but what they did to Monty and what they let the bitch do to him still amazes me.

I find it hard to believe since they were eager to fuck over Monty as much as she was.
Anybody have the letter?

"The enemy of my enemy is not my friend."
Having a common goal doesn't make you allies, in some cases it makes you competition.

Fair call, just good to let folks know that any opposition to her Rooster Teeth had was not due to positive intent, and was only because they wanted to be the ones who stole his shit instead of her.

I'm still mad that the woman wasn't arrested and tried for blatant murder.

RWBY has always been shit and always will be.

Shit girls, shit animation, shit plot, shit actors. It's more cancerous than Steven Universe.

I don't know what else to put here so here's a rare Felicia.

Large image files are scary.

RoosterTeeth wants to make money. Their goal is to corner the market on "western anime" so they can get as close to the ideal of "MC = MR" and reap in the profits. The people on staff liked Monty as a person, but they hated the way he did things. In turn, he didn't dislike them, but he didn't like how he was losing creative control, and wanted to do shit on his own.

Sheena was in it for money as a side effect - she was a cosplaying attention whore who wanted to be noticed. The money was just a perk to let her get more shit and get more attention from it. She got with Monty solely for the purposes of getting more of that while putting on the pretense that it wasn't the case. Him dying meant more attention for her, more money, etc.

Shane was always with her and Monty and so fell for the same shit. The RT team didn't like him because he refused to play well with anyone other than Monty, he hated them because he blamed them for him dying, all while ignorant to the fact the person he was white knighting hard was the one behind literally every problem everyone was having (except for the show itself, which was just hard fucked either way).

To put it another way -
RT is better off now that Monty died, but as horrible as they may be, I imagine most of the people on staff would still want him back if they had the chance.

Sheena is better off not from the side effects of him dying, but specifically because he died. She wouldn't want him back unless she could just have him die again at a later date.

In terms of old table-top alignment, it's Lawful Evil vs Chaotic Evil.

Obviously, in a meme sense, but not literally. There's no evidence that she was cheating on him while they were married. However, it does look like the marriage been a sham in the first place so she could get into the country for career opportunities. is right. The most logical conclusion is that he outlived his usefulness, and it was a murder of opportunity for insurance money. There is some reason to doubt this, as in Shane's open letter, he claims to have been with Sheena when a doctor, presumably a neurologist, told her that Monty was unrecoverable, however, the letter itself has doubts around its legitimacy, and reeks of thirsty beta orbiter.

But even if that was true, it doesn't explain Sheena's behavior after Monty's death. Why do you go on a European vacation immediately after your husband dies? Why do you get new tits immediately after your husband dies? Why do you get a new boyfriend immediately after your husband dies in less time than it takes most people to recover from a break-up? Why does she only ever bring him up when she stands to gain from it?

Between the Gofundme money and RT's insurance, Sheena no doubt walked off with a shitton of cash, more than she could ever hope to make via her "job," or supposed passions that she never actually practices, and she seems to have blown it on trivial shit. Also, this thread exists: >>>/rwby/2189

It would probably end up with the Touhous curve stomping RWBYs anyway.

I mentioned this in another thread a while back, but freeware is confusing as balls. Technically RWBY is 100% free, if you want to buy a dvd of the series you can, but it is freely available online legally. As far as MMDs go, as long as you don't make "profit" I thought it was all good. At least with the original Miku models as well as altering them, I assumed it was "allowable". The other models though, like, Udogi and Mouku's shoes, those where created by Japs for the 3d modeling community they have. I have no idea what law, if any, was violated.

Regardless though, he could have tried harder then just make a palette swap of Reisen. Honestly, he probably didn't even considered it, and assume the rules where the same. I'm sure that Grimjaw could have gotten them in trouble with Warner Brothers if they gave enough of a damn over Bleach IPs. How much do you have to legally change before its not plagiarism?

He made a pretty big splash back in 2007. A lot of people where impressive with Dead Fantasy and Haloid. Ended up inspiring all those "Who would win?", Death Battle video things that seem to be everywhere now.

user, you seem to forget that most of the people here on Holla Forums with us right now weren't even using the internet in 2007. Some have probably never even saw the original YouTube video window.

We live in sad times.

Did all the old fart on Holla Forums leave? Or have they been overshadowed by the kids?

Guro kept most of the kids out in the old days. We need to resurrect old ways to maintain the sanctity of our community, and post guro.

Bullshit. Every time it comes up, it's shown that the majority of Holla Forumsirgins were using Newgrounds in its heyday.

Skimming through those videos, I actually can't recall very many games that actually had that much movement per cutscene. I guess thats what the gameplay was for. but even for something like Devil May Cry 3's Intro that everyone fondly remembers, you constantly lose line of sight with Dante, and there is a lot of standing still, I remember a lot more wall jumping in that scene, but no, they actually stand pretty still. I recall interviews for MGS Twin snakes, where the only reason Snake started doing all those crazy jumps and flips, was because Kojima would not just the fuck up about the Matrix.

Dead Fantasy is garbage and was mocked here back in the day in the same vein as AMVs you retarded Gaiafaggots.

I wasn't browsing Holla Forums back when it first came out. Time to check the 4chan archives!

Yes, but the animations on a technical level, while over the top, are hard to do. Especially 10 years ago.
How the hell you'd you get that. That thing still alive?

No, it wasn't. AMVs are self-indulgent autismfests devoid of skill. It was widely accepted that Monty actually had some level of skill, and used a meaningless, shitty, ambiguous poetry plot to give it some kind of context. Nobody expected the plot to be good. On some level, I worry that he actually did think that it was cool. It feels like something Nomura would do if he wasn't allowed to have characters speak, which is exactly the kind of game Monty would play. The entire thing is like one of the purposely ambiguous "trailers" at the end of every Kingdom Hearts game that don't actually mean anything.
This is trying way too hard to be The Oldfag.

None of them go back that far.

Since this thread is also an Austin, TX bitching thread, are there any other things I should consider before finally removing Austin from the places I want to move to after college?

Patreon exclusive image coming through

Why the dick?

That's donating to any Patreon for you.

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As long as you avoid the ((vegan)) restaurants, the food/vidya stores are actually pretty decent.

Why so asians eat cats? What the fuck Monty?

I hate RWBY so much. I'm glad he died

I S R A E L I T E C H N O L O G Y

Why do Americans eat cows? It's an animal and it's edible. If cats tasted better, we'd probably eat them too.

If I recall correctly. One artists showed that adding dicksto chicks is an easy 5 minute job that will results in more dosh.

I would love to see the math on that, if you have any idea where to find it.

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I want to fuck the third girl.
Anally.

What is this series? I keep hearing about it. Seems like a web animation. Is it good?

No

A commonly accepted rule amongst the 'fanbase' that keeps watching this is to never consider it good by any standards. It's got some neat action scenes and waifus, but it isn't good by any measure. Most people who are still watching it are just interested where it leads to.

Watch this small part and you tell me.
youtu.be/0-f-mGvOba8?t=8m58s

So it's like a Homestuck thing?

I don't know shit about homestuck, but I do like the character design and music. And the porn.

It kind of is, except that its fans (outside the specific RTards) are nowhere as cancerous

This is not correct. The inhabitants of /rwby/ technically count as fans, but /rwby/ is not the fanbase.

Kinda. Both do some genuinely interesting things despite being wrapped in shit, both manage to survive despite being mostly shit because they're character driven which appeals to tumblr-esque crowds, both have the pacing of a bulimic's diet, both have cancerous fanbases which consider it to be beyond reproach, and think that if you dislike it or criticize the creator you're a troll, and both, despite attracting the worst kinds of people, were made by a guy who was all around okay. But that's about where the similarities end, and those aren't really uncommon traits in media in general.

The actual fanbase is mostly found on Tumblr and Reddit, and is comprised of the kind of people who think that a corporation can be your friend. Fan theories, fan fiction, and shipping abound. Don't forget your daily dose of social justice.

The people you'll find on imageboards who "like" it are mostly people who have enjoyed the work of its original creator and lead animator, Monty Oum, in the past. This sort of person's expectations were low going in, because they knew that, despite the plot, characters, and world being made by Monty, it would mostly be cringy melodrama written by RT, with some neat action scenes from Monty sprinkled in. This proved to be correct. It wasn't good, but it could be enjoyed.
It actually did get noticeably better over time, though it was never truly good save for the action scenes and music, because the only skilled people in the entire company were two lead animators and one musician. However, Monty died, and the other animator left in the fallout. The musician is still there, but seems to have lost passion for it since then. There are zero redeeming factors remaining at this point. People still talk about it here mostly because they want to know where Monty's work is going now that he's dead, and what's happened so far isn't pretty. The improvement has stopped. The ship is going down in flames and is likely to burn up entirely before it even hits the ground.

Interestingly, most anons who discuss it (and aren't just waifufags) seem to care about it on a technical level, rather than just being passive consumers. It's a bit of a long explanation as to why, but it's not an exaggeration to say that Monty has become a martyr of sorts to creative people, and RWBY has become an example symbol of what happens when an artist loses control of a work and it's left at the whims of a corporation. See the discussion in >>>/rwby/28398

Yes, but I understand that Beef is not a purely American commodity. A European can eat beef, and Arab can eat beef. The one thing that Americans, Euros, and Kebabs have in common is that they do not eat cats like the heathen Chinee

First pic related, never forget

I agree
Even if we have different tastes

Do you think they'll actually shove some homo/LGBTQRSTUV crap into the next season? What if they make Bumblebee canon? My penis isn't sure how to feel about the later…

Refer to this:

is this show/game thing solely for autistic kids or something? the porn is okay though

the hell does intersex means now?
There are not enough attack helicopter characters in media btw

Intersex basically mean hermaphrodite, or it used to anyway.

If they make any non-hetero ships involving the main characters canon, it'll just be proof they never cared about Monty's vision like they keep claiming, because in the past Monty said while gay characters would be introduced in the future, every character from the first volume is straight.

Mostly yes. Read the thread.

Holy shit. Do you know where this was said? If we can get this well known, we could set up a perfect Catch 22 for RT. SJWs need main protagonists to be like them to feel validated and give a show their seal of approval, and RT management will trip over themselves to pander to them, but if they ever do, it will validate every single detractor they've had. They wouldn't be able to pursue the audience they want without every moderate knowing that they deliberately shat on Monty's work just to virtue signal.

Unfortunately by this point any evidence of it's probably been buried, but I'll look around and see what I can find.

Monty really liked to tweet, so you might have to do a little extra digging.

Why is she giving a tit job to Needles Kane?

B-but yours is a different color..

Good times

Wait, this one is better

We need more leads on the Murder of Monty.

Thanks, I like it.

Neat. This one fits well.

SAGE

SAGE

SAGE

SAGE

Do you feel in charge?

TFW held large hopes for RWBY
I wanted this show to be good so bad!

The last fight of the season was alright, if only to have Torchwick actually holding his ground against two students (even as a run of the mill criminal) and for Sun's weapon design. Though the second season pretty much trashed that first part with the curb-stomp fight. And then he got eaten.

To be fair here, that fight was rigged.

Oh see, but that's the exact opposite of the problem with the "high level" characters - the animators are so shit that they can't keep up with the original pace, so they resort to the teleporting bullshit. Same shit they've done with Ruby. All of that shit she did in the Red Trailer, that was supposed to be a weapon demo? None of that applies anymore. Instead she holds her fucking scythe like a sword and teleports around in the air.

The animators are so shit they've been forced to "upgrade" the character abilities to compensate for their own lack of skill.

RWBY is so fucking depressing to look at.

The trailers showed some promise but it was dead from the get-go because the creator is a faggot who hired his friends to write the story.
It tries so hard to go for the 'start out light-hearted and then go dark', but failed miserably.
Also stolen assets were used in the trailer.

The fanbase is awful too, people who say they 'ironically' like it, do in fact unironically like it.

Honestly, if RT wants to be pros, they should just delete all the episodes, and hire an actual writer to rewrite it. That includes the lore; lazy and unimaginative, it's something a mentally stunted teenager would write.
Also I heard that they wanted the writing to be inspired by anime. They should actually be studying classic literature or screenplay because that's where all good animu stories come from.

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

What the fuck are you talking about, the trailers deviant art tier quality. It was obvious it was going to be shit.

Ok anons, I think it's time to rap things up.

Nope.

They're his bosses and the writers at the company he worked for. They hired him. What was he going to do, ask his bosses to replace themselves? That'd be pretty alpha, actually.

Come on, user. They're far from professional, but don't kid yourself. Even the shittiest one, Red, has the excuse of being made in a week, which is impressive in itself.

We get it, your a fucking fan of this garbage, so stop this passive aggressive crypto fan shit. I remember cringing at the stock wolf growls, and closing the tab just when she pulled out her scythe. And besides if one shit a turd out in less in a minute, it doesn't mean the turd is still not a piece of shit.

You're*

And you're a faggot for bumping this shitty thread over grammar.

Don't be an idiot. Enjoyment isn't all-or-nothing. I enjoyed the parts that were good well enough to keep up with it, despite knowing that it was mostly shit. That does makes me a fan on some level, but not incapable of making objective analysis. Most of it is bad. Season 1 is really fucking bad.
Same. They're fucking terrible and I still can't believe they didn't think to replace them before releasing it.
That's pretty impressive.

I see that was right
I saw a clip a couple years later, the voice acting was terrible and the animation was still shitty. There's also the fact everyone agrees that the show is cringy shit. So it safe to say that my gut instinct from 5 years ago was right.

Why do people like it though? Are they stupid?

I could give you an exhaustive list of reasons I've enjoyed the show, if you actually care.

So is there any proof or reason to the contrary. Just saying "nuh uh its shit" doesn't explain anything. Is there something to actually get compared too. Since I would love to watch them. Preferably something that isn't a multi million dollar movie from a big budget studio, since that's an unequal comparison that I always see getting made.
Also keep in mind that.
Is like saying
or like saying

This is probably the only useful criticism but still doesn't say why its deviant art tier.

I'm interested since I want to know what people even consider "Good" animation.

The animation is very awkward and stilted, especially when you see them walking around or moving their arms about.
Also the issue of clipping, don't care if it's 3D, she needs to be corrected.
That's like finding a pube in your burger and telling the chef, only to get the excuse: "This isn't some fancy burger joint kid! Quality doesn't matter!"

I watch the poop show and even I can criticize it. I actually think that fans make better looking art and write better fanfiction than ANYONE at Roosterteeth. It's like a creativity black hole.

I was going to save this in case that other user asked for the list of reasons, but I'll answer here.

It depends on which animation you care about. Now, RWBY cuts a lot of corners. A lot. Monty's style was designed to allow him, and only him, to be able to mass-animate chunks of momentum-intensive combat in as short a time as possible. This does not lend itself well to anything that isn't combat. Characters' hands are static bricks that are waved around like paddles, their feet never quite mesh right with the ground, that kind of thing.

The thing is, a lot of us don't care. We aren't here for that. We're here for something else, which in most cases is the style of combat choreography. Oum worked in the same paradigm as Jackie Chan, where the combat itself followed a distinct tempo that used our inbuilt sense of rhythm to build into high and low points, with occasional climaxes as special movements break the rules previous ones established. Oum took Devil May Cry style combat and applied the rules of rhythm to it, effectively creating a second pull of hype on the viewer on top of the hype of combat itself. It was effectively a violent form of dance or music. This isn't accidental; Oum was a dancer before he was an animator. One episode actually directly lampshades this in the dialogue where the main character's head professor compares combat to dancing. Jeff Williams, the series' music guy, and Oum actually bonded over this, working together as early as the Red trailer.

When I, and presumably people like me, hear people complain about the non-combat animation, it feels the same as listening to somebody used to a AAA developed product complain about an otherwise excellent game from three console generations ago because its graphics aren't up to their standards. They're missing the point so completely that they're failing to address what they show was even designed to convey. Yes, we know it's lackluster. We don't care because it delivers on what we're here for. The animation is both shit and sublime.

I'd fuck the Yellow one and the White one. Also fuck the teacher and the one named after ice cream.

I think the best way to provide example for this is to show both shows (RWBY and RvB) during Monty's involvement and after his involvement.

To begin with, here's the second to last episode of Volume 2.

Now, here's the first episode of Volume 3.

Alright. Now here's Season 8 of RvB (When Monty first got involved, and a whopping 7 years ago).

The best example I can think of is the Siblings' fight in the Yellow trailer. There were something like 5 feints in rapid succession winding up to an actual exchange of blows, in tonal harmony with the song as they came out, and the finisher windup was a crescendo if there ever was one. The earlier part where Yang is demolishing mooks is also excellent at rhythm establishment and deviation. The last fight with Junior was easily the weakest point of the fight.

Actually, wait. The absolute hypest crescendo of music and action together in all of RWBY was the fight in season 1's 8th episode. The Nevermore.

And, now here's Season 12 (Which aired around the same time as when Monty was working on RWBY Vol. 2).

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If we're posting examples, at least cut the relevant fight out of the episode.

Actually, this episode from Season 13 would probably show a better example of the difference in style.

There's actually a good video on what made Jackie Chan so good with emotive motion.

Just take this and apply it to Devil May Cry. That's it.

Seeing that reminded me of the "Grit those TEETH!" scenes from Gurren Lagann.

Although, now that I think about it, it's kind of ironic. The East is suppose to be "against" violence, yet they're not afraid to show pain. Meanwhile, the West is all about violence, but we cringe when actual pain is intended.

I came to laugh at you

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shit show anyways

Wait a second, has anyone here played P.N.03?

I only played about two hours of the title (Which didn't really impress me at the time. I just thought that the game was designed to make the player "Look cool", and little else.), but it seems like the perfect example of a game where you have to find a rhythm if you want to win the fight and get the best score.

The other video didn't have the actual punch.

Something something something Necrodancer.

Something Something Capcom Five.

Its generally expected that a movie released in theaters with a high budget would have different production quality then a tv series. No one is all that surprised when you see a bunch of super heroes fighting in hallways or a street alley at night against a few random goons where it easier and cheaper to film, compared to a city wide fight against alien invaders. Still though, yes it should still succeed in executing the scene properly, I was just saying that of course a multi million dollar project worked on for somewhere around 2 years, worked on multiple people as part of their highly paid job, with several overseers and revisions, would result in better quality then a single autistic azn in his garage, and later to maybe a handful of animators in rooster teeth's offices with no real budget to speak of.

Yeah, he seems bad a finer details like casual animations such as calmly walking or a character adjusting their glasses or tie, or ideal standing animations when they are not the object of focus. I didn't really see too many examples of clipping, but I remember seeing them in the past. So polish seems like a major issue for RWBY. The RvB series ended up "looking better" because all the characters are covered head to toe in body armor and all the armor looks very similar too. Probably made animating a lot easier.

Why the fuck is that not mandatory?

Now you're getting it. RWBY had no polish at all because it was a purpose-built vehicle made for speed. Like how there is no second seat in a racecar designed to win, nevermind a radio. It was designed to excel at exactly one thing.

Monty was a breath of fresh air to me because I naturally understand the type of kinetic language/music used, and it was the first time finding somebody who could speak it back to me. I'm considering making a video demonstrating how Monty's style worked and before/after with explicit details, frame by frame if necessary, on how the fights devolved once he was gone. The fight with Tyrian in season 4 is a great example of everything wrong, because while it looks competent on the surface, I find it falling victim to the same errors over and over that rob it of the flow Monty offered. It would be a good example of getting everything but what Monty had right. (Whereas the finale fight to season 2 was just bad all-around outside of Fox's singular combo.)

I'm a casual but god the fights quality tanked in Volumes 3 and 4. Much more in 4. I don't even know if I'm going to bother watching Volume 5. Fights aren't everything in a series but good ones make shows outstanding.

More of a broader answer, but there are three main differences I can see between these two video examples, and Western fighting scenes (I'll be using Kingsman, Jack Reacher, and John Wick as examples). I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how Easterners handle storytelling in action films, but Western action films, ironically, are not about fighting. They're about telling a story. Take the Star Wars films as an example (Excluding everything Post-Disney). All of those films consist of two or three "big" fights (Which often consist of up to a dozen smaller fights), while the rest of the film is telling story. In the first film, there's the ship-to-ship battle, the gang getting in and out of the Death Star, and then them destroying the thing. In RoTJ, you have the fight over the pit, and then everything that happens on Endor (Which lasts for about a third of the movie, and has no real "center" scene). Then, in AotC, you have them chasing the bounty hunter (If you call that a fight), Obi-Wan trying to prevent Jango from leaving, and then everything that happens on Geonosis once Anakin arrives. But, then again, that's space opera, what about regular action movies?

Well, in the embed, you have Jack Reacher. The film is considered an "Action Thriller", but, it too just consists on three "main" fight scenes over over a 2 hour period. The rest of the film is spent telling a story. So, simply put, the first difference is that a fight scene is just a tiny portion of the film meant to carry the story. It's NOT suppose to be the film.

However, to contrast with this, this leads into the second difference…

…tone.

With Westerners (Especially us Americans), bright, noticeable, colors have an entirely different meaning to atmosphere than dark, similar, tones. Without any context to either of the two films, you can almost instinctually tell that Kingsman is a more chipper film than something like Jack Reacher. This is just me, extremely, speculating (Which much of my response is), but I think this is mainly due to how the U.S. is the central hub of the entire "Noir" genre of storytelling. However, when color started to become popular, "dark" films didn't end up translating well. So, the result is that you have film makers using all the dark tones across the spectrum to care the same weight as films from 50 years ago, and an audience who cannot tell what is a backdrop, what is a prop, and what is a character.

Although, this perhaps seems like the easiest solution to solve if anyone ever finds out the best way to make something dark and "serious" using a wider color pallet.

The last difference that I've noticed is that Western action films focus more on the main character than the people he's fighting. Unless it is to establish context, the camera rarely has anyone else but the MC take center screen. In those Eastern clips, once a guy is down, you see him in pain and we laugh about how he just got his rear handed to him. In Western films, once a guy is down…"Who cares about him? Let's get rid of the next thing blocking our way."

I'm open to criticism on this because, like I said, I'm mostly speculating on this. I'm in no way a "film expert". I'm just going by what I'm seeing.