Disney's Mulan has a 4.8/10 rating on Chinese site Douban (42k reviews)

>Most reviews say that the plot was not good, the Chinese cultural influence was poorly implemented and that it was very much 'Westernised'. >Ultimately, many in China are disappointed with the movie.DISNEY BTFO. Also their feeling "the Chinese cultural influence was poorly implemented and that it was very much 'Westernised' is quite understandable and exactly what I expected. Its the same as Avatar. Its like bringing Americanised Chinese food there and selling it. They dont eat it. Btw Im from east asia as well, so have always had exactly the same feelings as theirs.twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1302620415861325824

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>>117476524Wuhan biological weapon 武汉生物武器 China manufactured Coronavirus Test kits were broken on purpose 中国制造的冠状病毒检测试剂盒被故意破坏 动态网自由门 天安門 天安门动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 Ai Wei Wei 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门 Umbrella protests Extradition Law 纸老虎 Hong Kong protests 李文良医生 Democracy won the Vote 习近平的阴茎很小。 每天晚上,在上床睡觉之前,他都会吞下几加仑的非裔美国人的阴茎汁。它充满了他的胃,使他忘记了自己难以置信的小阴茎。还有,他妈的中国,台湾第一。

>>117476524disney's just going to use this as an excuse to have more "Lion King" style adaptations.

And funny enough China has made some of the worst films of all time Don't pander to them

>>117476554Can we get proof that this is in "The Art of Mulan?"

>>117476596With actual emoting people, that'll be more tolerable than the lion king was

>>117476524everything is too westernized if it includes "feminism" or "minorities" for it to succeed it needs>no niggers>no strong females>Chinese armies are winning>Commies winning>downfall of western countries

>>117476524>Too pro-China for westerners>Too westernized for Chinaso a movie made for no one?Disney's Mulan was never that popular in China anyway was it? At least I remember that being the case.

China has pretty awful taste in movies, anything with a compelling narrative or interesting characters tends to do badly over there. Stuff like Transformers is what does really well in China.


>movie remake>it's shitHow could anyone have expected this?

>>117476787The unspoken premise here is that if even dumb bugs who will like anything don't like Nulan then it was a total failure.


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>>117476777It was made for disney to jerk itself off on thinking they actually did something

>>117476803>>117476554I don't understand how religious people like this have non religious jobs

Bros this can't be happening, Disney's (mostly) family friendly wuxia movie was supposed to be a success. I mean a Disney wuxia? nuff said

>>117476787> anything with a compelling narrative or interesting characters tends to do badly over thereNo, anything with those things doesn't get released there. No local film gets made nor is any foreign film released there without government approval. It's not that the bugmen don't have good or bad taste, it's that their government simply won't allow them to see anything good because they stifle creativity in fear of allowing anti-government sentiment to take root.

>>117476890>nuff saidshut up disney shill just because you bought marvel does not mean you get to use that phrase

>>117476884You're right, we need to purge Jews from the animation industry.

>>117476524Disney alway bastardized the source material and make it feel cheap. MCU being the prime example. And in Mulan’s case, they bastardized an already bastardized Mulan and made an abomination.

>>117476949Christians, actuallyFeed them to lions

>>117476787>Stuff like Transformers is what does really well in Chinaand it shows jesus fucking christremember all the china pandering shit in age of extinction? all the "we must contact the central government" shit?i was really excited because grimlock is one of my favorite transformers but they really shat the bed with that one


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>>117476984I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>117477052A Satanist.

>>117476787Absolutely pointless, dude. As OP is saying, It just doesnt fit their norms and culture. Westerners dont watch a Doraemon film at all, because its nothing western, but the Chinese do and its popular there because they share some east asian norms. I mean, their market is not western. Disney just didnt research anything about it.

>the Disney company will die in your lifetime

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>>117476738>based>based>cringe>cringe>kinda based

>>117476823They don't "like anything", they like extremely simple CGI action fests that valorize state power. Mulan clearly failed to deliver on this, which means it has a chance of being a decent movie.

>>117476738>No strong womenThere are a bunch of stong women in chinese movies tho

>>117477093No it won't, unfortunately

>>117477145>There are a bunch of stong women in chinese movies thoNot to the detriment of men. Men don't job to women like they do in the west, in other words. Goons don't count because they are fundamental jobbers.

>>117477195So what you're saying is the Chinese know how to write a strong female character that's actually engaging and interesting and not a plank of wood

>>117477034Pacific Rim 2 is another one that stuck out to me. With the not-evil Chinese.

>>117477262shut up china shill, there is tons of movies where men just job to the hero who is a guy why does it have to be different for women

>>117477145That's not what is meant by "strong women". The women are strong according to 2000 year old Confucian ideals of filial piety. Feminism defines "strong female characters" as characters that are not centered around men. Which is in many ways the complete opposite of traditional Chinese "strong women", because a big part of filial piety is knowing your place in society and fulfilling the duties of your role. Mulan had the female duty of marriage and child-rearing, but instead she took up the male duty of military service despite it being forbidden to her. This is the central Confucian conflict of the movie. Mulan defied her prescribed duty and violated the law, but she did so as an expression of supreme filial piety to protect her father, and her own nation. It's meant as an example of virtues being harder to understand than simply obeying the rules laid out before you. But in the west it's just "WOOOO GIRL POWER!"

>>117477145you're thinking of sidekick charactersmost of the top grossing characters are men>Wolf Warrior 2>Ne Zha>The Wandering Earth>Operation Red Sea>Detective Chinatown 2>The Mermaidfunny enough, the mermaid starts its focus on the female, and ends focusing on the guy saving the mermaids

>>117476524Wtf i love China now???

>>117477337Oh God what a shit show that was >the unironic use of the trolololol song

>>117476579Why is this constantly posted on any thread that have China as a topic ? I mean, i understand that was all of those are events censored on Chinese internet but what's the goal here ? I'm pretty sure 4chan is censored in China already

>>117477365There are strong female characters in chinese movies, the fact that the top grossing chinese movies have a male lead doesn't mean those movies don't exist.

>>117476524>Btw Im from east asia as well, so have always had exactly the same feelings as theirs.I don't watch disney stuff, what exactly is westernized in this movie?I mean I don't doubt you, it's a genuine question since I have no idea what kind of movies disney do these days.

>>117477432Trump supporter gonna Trump. They just can’t help it.

>>117477432even if you bypass chinas fire walls they have ai always monitoring peoples computer screens for non-approved words because they are that much of a dystopian hell hole

>Live action remake that nobody asked for>Tries to pander to China really, really, REALLY hard>Completely uproots the original themes and messages that resonated with the Western market>Chinese market doesn't even like it>Western market is completely alienated from itIs this, dare I say it, the biggest Disney fuckup in the last decade?

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I hope some Chinese company will buy off disney one day.

>>117477432To keep chinks from posting because that text gets them booted from the internet due to the Great Firewall>>117477499Rent free

>>117477444>for it to succeed it needsi think you're missing this point, just cause there's strong female movies, no one watches those in china. Steven chow's a big name in china, and his female lead "the new king of comedy" tanked.

>>117476524>ask Chinese government for heavy input On your movie to pander to them>is hated by the Chinese people

>>117477499(The guy you answered too here) What does it have to do with Trump ? We're talking about China Internet censorship not his economic war

>>117477501>>117477555I didn't know dystopian stuff on that level was already implemented somewhere. I wonder how this real life facebook upvoting works for them so far.

>>117476894Anti-government sentiment already existed there. Being there way before current pandemic. Due to covid-19 and how the government attempted to suppress information of it and leading to all this deaths, anti-government sentiment is on the rise. Just can’t really act out on it since the last time they did, they bought out the tanks.

>>117477520>Completely uproots the original themes and messages that resonated with the Western marketNot even that, they also changed the style of sending that message. It was a fucking musical, now it is nothing.>>117477557There are chinese movies with strong female characters as main characters that succeed.

>>117476644china didn't make gayniggers from outer space

So it's not getting good reviews, users don't seem to like it, and it wasn't released in theaters and you need that Disney streaming platform to rent it.... is this gonna be a financial bomb? It's silly to hope for but if it helps put an end to the live action reboots........

>>117477052A lion.

>>117477677I doubt its gonna financially bomb but I’m sure it wont be considered a real success, and it will in no way stop the live action movies from coming

Still gonna stream it

>>117477093It won't die, but maybe it will lose a lot money and be bought by someone else.

>>117477677the negro mermaid is still in the pipeline

>>117477677We can only hope.

>>117476524>licked winnie the pooh’s butthole>tasted bitter poopKek disknee deserved.


>>117476777chinese liked cartoon mulan for the most part, they just hated mushu

>>117477677I doubt. No idea how movie industry works but I assume it needs a good bunch of failures in a row to fuck up some multibillion dollar company like disney.Would be cool if it happened but retards are already throwing money at them for Disney+.

>>117478373Isn't Disney+ a flop? Plus they're bleeding money this year, which is nice.

>>117477363>This is the central Confucian conflict of the movie. Mulan defied her prescribed duty and violated the law, but she did so as an expression of supreme filial piety to protect her father, and her own nation. It's meant as an example of virtues being harder to understand than simply obeying the rules laid out before you.This is so beautifully put, thanks user.

>>117478400Could be, not sure what they expect. I only saw there were millions of people that instantly paid fo that thing. But now I hope you are right, I trust in you Boco.

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All they need to do is film this in China, Zhang Yimou directing it, Yuen Woo Ping does the action choreography and the movie would’ve worked. The actors could even speak in English, just get these guys on the sequel for fucks sake.

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>>117477363Girl power is something different from women acting like men. Actually, SJW hate it when women are normal (= "like men") because everything neutral or rational is manly to them. What the west means with "girl power" are arrogant bitches that are framed as smarter and better than male characters and are either lesbians or wifes that shat on their dumb husband all the time to prove how strong they are. They are basically Karens.

It's like when Americans try to make "anime": it's just an idea of it, but it just feels all wrong.

>>117478581Didn't marvel or some shit announced that they want one of their next movies to be "inspired" by anime and bollywood?

>Disney sees this bomb>they’ll automatically blame it on the batsoup pandemic insteadCalling it right now

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>>117478484Alot of people got the free trial, watched The Mandalorian, then quit. The first few months had abysmal numbers.

>>117478581The last time I checked, It worked for Nickelodeon.

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Didn't the star say something to piss the Chinese off? No wonder they hate this.

>>117478620Well that's nice to hear, hope it stays that way.It will never not baffle me how people try or buy a thing for only one exclusive game or series anyway. Mandalorian was downloadable as soon as it was on D+ anyway and I dropped because I hate that shitty baby.

>>117478565Those are called TERFs I think

>>117478620>they removed that free trial shit when Hamilton premiered

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>>117478642You're right, and there's a good reason for it: ATLA gave more freedom and credits to the Korean studio behind. The ugly special effects are done by Americans and they really clash with the rest of the animation.There's a pretty good video about it by Canipa: youtube.com/watch?v=DZB1lQRdTrI

>>117477093It won't die but it'll probably get bought up by something else.

>>117478646It's the opposite, she was stanning pro China cops in Hong Kong. Though maybe all news about Honk Kong are censored in China so they never learned about it.

>>117478646She said she supported the Hong Kong police

Imagine being filtered by kino like that

>>117478642some americans watch that but east asian dont. and whats happening with mulan is that. its not for east asians.

>>117478642No one outside America watches that show.You know what cartoon is popular in Japan, Korea and even China despite being banned there? South Park, which is extremely American cartoon and doesn't try to be anything else.

>>117476524>take a huge shit all over Mulan in order to pander to China>spend lots of money getting it "just right" and alienate American audiences in the process>China hates it>America hates it>Disney won't learn jack shit from this experienceI just want Disney to die. Is that too much to ask for?

>>117476787Wait- now that I think about it, why are there so many Chinese fans of the transformer comics on twitter? Are comics are blind spot like manga and they release everything there and only censor movies? Remember that the comics even contain bots that are technically gay.The people I am thinking of don't seem to live in the US or something because they cannot talk in English or only barely and usually just post in Chinese.

>>117476524>posting a pedoera twitter account on Holla Forums

>>117478790You know what Disney is gonna do next once they run out of shit to adapt.

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>>117478835>why are there so many Chinese fans of the transformer comics on twitter?Probably cuz the movies were so big there. Until The Last Knight, when they realized they were being pandered to and shunned it.

>>117478904they'll just buy more properties

>>117478904Don't even fucking JOKE about that.

>>117478835>Robots can't be gay, what do you mean, they just beep boop beep. That's so silly.Transformers is a pleb filter so it's nice to learn it remains one even over there.

>>117478790Yes because our people are born without brains. There might be a movie that gets less views every now and then but half of this is covid caused. Just wait till cinemas open again and disney dumps their next turd and see how half of the western society will run into the cinema even when they KNOW they will hate it like with lion king.

>>117478835the fuck. its really a small minority group. no mainlanders read the comics. the film is popular because mechas and explosions and shit.

>>117478835Social media ain't a representation of anything important. Because if it were, Ray Fisher would had gotten more traction instead of being stuck in the twitter bubble supported by delusional wackjobs.

>>117478907>TLKWhat pandering?

>>117478933What? John Good would make a great Carl.

>>117478943>cinemas>open againAnon...

>>117478835There are fujos in China too, and all adult Transformer fans are just fujos

>>117478835China and the Eat in general LOVES mecha. They’re obsessed with Iron Man in particular in HK/Asia, so really they should be making more of those Iron Man anime films if they want to make some bank.

At my last job I worked with this teenager who didn’t know that the animated Beauty and the Beast even existed, he thought there was just the live action one, I hate to imagine this will be the same for Mulan

>>117478973I am aware of this but my point is that I would assume it's either censored or not even released there. same for a shitton of manga and manga play even less by the rules. The fanartists I talk about don't seem to understand other languages though so I assume all that stuff is actually released there.

>>117479014They did and it sucked

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>>117476524>westernizedThey added cowboys to the movie?

>>117479014I wish mecha would be more popular here too, but on the other hand it can only be a monkey's paw wish when I think of bayformers.

>>117478904up wasnt good

can Winnie the Pooh take down the mouse?

>>117479049>They did and it suckedOnly because they showed the PV that was done by Takeshi Koike and they gave us korean trash years later.

>>117478975A shitload of Chinese product pandering (Wheelie uses a Chinese auction site at one point, and the camera lingers on it).

>>117478995explains why Frank got angry over flametoys windblade

>>117479039Some of them don't even know that analog phones and Gameboy exists. And this is despite the fact that the internet exists.

>>117477365Even if they are sidekicks they are still strong woman, hell i would say that China has been putting out better strong female than the US lately, because they still embrace their femininity instead of becoming a bunch of men with a vagina

>>117476787>It's so bad not even China likes itAnon, if anything you pointed out why it's WORSE then we realized.

>>117478758Because it's genuine and not faking anything.People really need to learn this, this doesn't just apply for comedies and such but messages or current topics or hypes you want to participate in as well. As soon as something is shoved in and trying too hard nobody takes it seriously anymore.It's why manga with lesbian characters are unironically better than the lesbian shit we get in most of the cartoons.

>Try pander to everyone>Piss everyone offClockwork.

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>>117476524What did they think of the original one?

>>117479176Point out the men with vagina? Like other than the new She-Ra

>Mulan was a western cartoon for westerners that took place in China>remake Mulan and try to pander to both China and America at the same time>end up failing at doing either

>>117476787My friend at work was talking to a Chinese coworker about the Transformer films, and she just was gushing about them. They legit think they were absolutely stellar films.Fucking Avatar was monumental over there. Tickets were bought as birthday presents for the film.

>>117476524Chinese people are Sexist and White Supremacist.

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>>117478758King of the Hill is popular in Japan and people in Japan argue whether the dub or sub is better

>>117479234This maximum profit shit needs to die.The main reason for why modern movies such is that they try to pander everyone and add every genre in and do not develope any of it for real.They are the definition of lowest common denominator which is the only reason for why they make money in the first place. Because normalfags go to cinema in groups, so they have to settle for shit everybody is okay with.

>>117477617>It was a fucking musical, now it is nothing.well now its an incredibly shitty attempt at doing a wuxia movie.

>>117479221lmao your cope mechanism is now off the meter. nobody in east asia watches that shit, cuz its weird american chinese foods.its not real for them. they have the original food.

>>117479302Mixed with Dragon Ball.

>>117479292>people in Japan argue whether the dub or sub is betterThey're so much like us

>>117479297But than how will the transgender non-binary queer have a relatable character that they can relate to!?

>>117479176>bunch of men with a vaginaSounds like the perfect woman. Female traits suck ass and are always either outright bad or social faggotry.Sadly I disagree with you that She-Ra characters behave like men. It's literally pink princess shit and the show is girly as fuck.


Hopefully now Disney will accept we're in a cold war and simping for China is treason.

>>117476524The problem is Disney wants to make the next Kung Fu Panda. That was so well in China, people were complaining to the CCP why Americans were doing China better than the Chinese. But that time has passed. Chinese are sick of getting pandered to, and they already have their own animation studios that make movies for Chinese audiences(that do shit outside because crappy dubbing and awkward flow that doesn't click for foreigners)

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>>117479321You clearly didn't read my post. I literally said what you said.

>>117479242They thought it was dumb.

>>117479251Captain marvel

>>117479444Anyone else? Just the 2?

To the surprise of no one.SJWs can’t even defend this shit because the actual Chinese are telling you to fuck off.Can’t wait for more studios making movies that bomb internationally so they can finally get with it.

>>117479461Not him but I am interested too. Those are the only female characters I can actually relate to. Holla Forums always talks about them but I never see them anywhere.

>>117479488>SJWSJW hated the movie before it was out because the pro-police tweets and they also hate it because they say it promotes nationalism and patriarchy or some shit.

>>117479395All of Hollywood simps for China. China is going to be if not already the biggest movie market in the world. They already edit movies to please China. Hollywood self censors based to make sure they don't run afoul of Chinese laws. The potential money they make from the Chinese market outweighs any sort of artistic integrity. There was a movie studio that did a movie about Tibet and how fucking awful China is to the native Tibetans and every movie from that studio was banned from screening in China for ten years. So if you are a studio that makes "Oscar movies" and also makes blockbusters, you don't want your low budget award bait movie to ruin the money you make off the next Batman or Spiderman.

>>117479410Winnie doesn't allow foreign movies that don't pander so how can they be sick of pandering?

>>117477432So it can make the government agents that are allowed to brose 4chan mad.

>>117479461The last Charlie's angels had one, Furiosa from mad max, the old guard and so on. I dont memorize this shit dude

>>117479553I think he means he doesn't want a bunch of westerners regurgitating Chinese culture back at Chinese audiences. Remember Crazy Rich Asians movie and how it made a ton of money in America and not so well in Asian markets? In America a romance movie about Asians is novel because it's never seen. In Asia they already have a ton of romance movies with Asian leads so it's nothing special.

>>117479488Not even SJW's like China though and was shat on cause the actress was hard anti-Hong Kong independence. It's the one thing lefties and righties agree on and I theorize as American culture becomes more and more of a puppet to the CCP's whims we will see Holla Forumstards and tumblr join forces for a cultural shift towards a social Cold War, one not one endorsed by the propaganda but by the people themselves

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At least discount Li Shang was hot

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>>117477593>trump = bad therefore china = goodits retards being retards.

>>117479620The last Charlies angels was actually pretty feminine except for Kristen Stewart who was clearly there for the lesbians, Furiosa made canon sense since she was an abandoned bride given to grow up as a war boy and driving war rigs, its not like she existed in some previous property as a girly girl and was made masculine and dirty, and I don’t know what old guard you’re talking about

>>117476524to be honest the whole movie feels like a 2 hour long version of Disney's descendants

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>>117479553>Winnie doesn't allow foreign movies that don't panderNo, the main things are (1)Don't make CCP look bad, and (2)Don't make supernatural stuff because supernatural implies above nature, and thus something the CCP cannot control.And even the second one can be overlooked(Coco was ready to be banned for the Day of the Dead themes but censors were so moved by the story they let it in anyway and it became more popular in China than it was in the US).>how can they be sick of panderingBecause they get it all the damn time in domestic work. Unsurprisingly if you get the same thing over and over, you get sick of it. They now want films that explore something, anything different than the usual shlock. It's why Japan's Doraemon topped the box office in China. The problem with Disney is that China only lets in a set number of foreign movies a year, and Disney thinks if they suck that CCP cock they'll get special treatment.

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>>117479693Nah, it will be as with Italy, the far right and far left will never ally because they are the present enemy, and the far right will actually align with China because they provide business deals and funding and are against SJW values which is a bigger deal than nominal communism.

>>117477555>To keep chinks from posting because that text gets them booted from the internet due to the Great FirewallUltra based and saved

>>117479693I mean it's already effectively a political Cold War, literally the only legislation that has complete bipartisan support in congress 100% of the time is anti-Chinese. It's going to be the politicians and people siding against China while the media absolutely fellates its economic cock, unless there's some kind of genuine media embargo that emerges from the political/social aspects.

>>117479848Disney's Descendants really jumped the shark in 3 with the whole Hades is her Dad thing. Just felt rally contrived unlike the other two movies.

>>117476524Is this gonna a be another captain marvel where disney will call bad reviewers misogynistic backwards people?

>>117479984The problem with that is the SJWs aren't really backing this movie like they did with Captain Marvel thanks to the actress being pro Hong Kong Police

>>117479984Not going to work because they know if they tried it can be reversed to them calling Asian people stupid and backwards.

>>117479984The die hard disney fans will like it, but that's about it.

>>117476554Cri-Kee and the doggo were pure kid appeal characters and nothing else, I believe I had their Happy Meal toys.

>>117479643>>117479553Chinks hate Disney and Hollywood. They don't like cape shit except for Iron Man. Star Wars lost to a friend fucking rom com. They like Tony Stark at Phase I and would pretty much pay for more Iron Man movies. Disney is losing billions because they don't want to adapt Demon in the Bottle, or have Tony duke it out with the Mandarin.Phase 1 Tony is more like Scarface to them

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>>117477052>Antisemite>Believes on Kike on a stickChristcucks get the rope first

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>>117480120>They don't like cape shit except for Iron Man.Are you seriously pushing that "Chinks don't like black people so Black Panther will fail" meme after fucking reality already showed that wasn't the case?

>>117479913>the fightfags were the real commies all alongWe walked right into their trap again, you can never be cautious enough of commies.

>>117480067fans ≠ shills

>>117477363>Mulan had the female duty of marriage and child-rearing, but instead she took up the male duty of military service despite it being forbidden to her.Ever since I was a kid I thought she was annoyingly hardheaded and a cunt for going against the grain in the way that she did.