Paid online meme spreading

Wii U emulators still hella spotty and the only one worth a damn is closed-source normally I don't give a shit about the FOSS meme but with something like an emulator it makes me suspicious, there isn't gonna be a Switch emu for a looooooong time. Especially because the Switch doesn't follow the goofy architecture that the Gamecube, Wii and Wii U did, so it won't proliferate almost immediately like Wii emulation did.

It's a relatively safe bet they won't, considering microsoft becoming progressively more shit to work with after being led by a call center curryfaggot.

Only things using DX12 that I'm aware of are emulators (that also support Vulkan) and complete crap anyways so I sincerely doubt W10 will become the of-choice gaming OS any time soon.

PC and older consoles are safe. No matter what fuckery goes on you can't retroactively ruin a game, and you don't even need a gaming PC for most of the good ones.
While you're at it get an original Xbox and a 3DS, and mod them. They have games that you can't really play on PC yet, and they're cheap.

Have you ever considered getting a job?

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Newer CPUs require windows 10 to use their new features.

9/10 made me reply

Actually. SteamOS already has Kabylake and Zen support so. I'd imagine it won't be long for full linux support

Considering SteamOS is a no-effort Debian fork that sounds pretty damn close to full Linux support.

Windows=/=PC, PC is safe. Free online multiplayer and literally thousands of games (you can run 90's shit no problem (best bacward compatibility out there).

Debateable depending on what DOS stuff you play and the like

I hope the alphabet agencies enjoy more people fleeing to Unix.

Fucking retard.

Anti-competition lawsuit when?

Daily reminder, that you should pay for what you value. If you don't want to pay for online, then you don't value it as much as you pretend you do, so nothing of value was lost.

I guess if I charged you $1k monthly for the privilege of owning a computer, and you refused to pay, it'd simply mean you don't value owning a computer anyway

as it should considering the Project 64 adware issue.

Except i already bought the computer, i didn't get it for free. Services on it cost me money. Try again, socialist cuck

Never because you clearly don't understand how the law works.

Yes that is what user is saying you dumbfuck
If he had the money and valued his pc, he would pay the fee

was meant for

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And I alsready paid the ISP for using the internet, corporate shill.

The user in question even said he wouldn't, you dumbfuck.

I heard. Odds are DX will get AAA to shill for them- which in turn will only hurt them when the industry crash comes. (Though I imagine that will be "soft". Not a great abandonment blamed on one game, but a gradual "reshaping" of many large organizations)

Hell, I'm willing to bet someone will make workarounds or use older DXes if it gets bad.

I can't wait for the kids playing Splatoon 2 going ape when the free period ends- it'll kill it I swear. Unless it's bigger than I realize and people pay up.

Zelda and Mario actually looked good, but fuck giving them money even after the price goes down. If it was extremely low like £5 a year or less then maybe, but even then I'd get everything second hand.

10 copies of Skyrim

And before you delusional PCucks say:

Guess what, every popular fucking online titles PC has people pay for it, one way or another.

The only reason people delude themselves, that onlne gaming on the PC is "Free", is because they are ungrateful NEETs who take wales and dedicated server owners for granted.

How many consoles have 10 games worth buying before they're even released?

I didn't knew that Quake 3 or Gmod had a cash shop

You are already paying the ISP a monthly fee for your internet. What kind of retarded non-argument is that?

actually no, fuck that thread

Butthurt kike detected.

vulkan definitely seems to be improving and getting picked up more. which in itself is a good sign, i initially thought it would be abandoned shortly after inception.
i hope it continues getting picked up by devs at a steady rate, but even if it fails to i don't expect anything worthwhile to be dx12 exclusive in the near future.

Ungrateful NEET, get a job.

Also online game on STEAM is more or less bait for all the other garbage that they want you to pay for. Why do you think so many STEAM users own games that they never play?

Exactly. I already pay the ISP for using the internet. So why should I pay Nintendo again for using the internet? It's the same thing as paying a computer-owning fee

Just never get steam.

Never paid for any, just used pirated srver before giving up on MMOs altogether

Casual shit I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole

Same as above

Try cherrypicking harder, faggot

The problem is that I only play online every now and again. Once a week or so I'll sit down and play a few rounds of Splatoon, or every now and then I'll use Pokemon's Wonder Trade. I don't sit down for long sessions every day.
Personally I'd be okay if they added a fuckton of value to the paid services. They could tie Pokemon Bank into it for starters, so that if you have it you don't have to pay for that. They could have a Netflix-like service for their virtual console NES games, letting you download and play any of them as long as you're subscribed. That would give people a fuckton to play and make it more convenient than emulation, bringing in more people. They could even do that with Nintendo soundtracks, since the Switch is small enough to be useful as a music player.

Instead, they're putting multiplayer behind a paywall and renting you a NES/SNES game every month. I'd pay £2 to £5 a month for that at most, because that's all it's worth to me.

Why don't you fuckheads spread the words about console LAN tunnelling?

You are paying for using their own servers and online services. It's not the same as paying a computer owning-fee, you desperate, welfare seeking nigger, it's like paying for every other online service like your Anti-virus, WoW, WWE Network, etc. Obviously, there are plenty of services that are free, that doesn't mean that every service will, or should be free, however. Get a job!

Then why do you even care about nintendos paid online? All their games are casual.

Kike puppets are hilarious.

Never paid for them because paying for the game (in WoW's case), plus paying every month to keep playing the game I already paid for is complete bullshit.q

Then don't pay for this shit and wait for someone to create something similar here, you kike

Literally everything Nintendo is casual

Kek. Have you ever even THANKED a dedicated server owner, or do you think dedicated servers grow on trees?

Oy vey.

I thought you were seriously retarded, but I guess you're just fucking terrible at baiting.

Fully paid for by purchasing the console and subsequent software

I use a free one

shit gaym, usually played on pirate servers for free

I never played any nintendo game outside of Mario. I'm just here to shit on bad industry practices, not because I actually give a shit about Nintendo or their console

Only for casuals

>>>/reddit/

Your self awareness is either low or you're a merchant yourself.

he is right !!

good goy, capitalism is strong withing you

How do you know?

If you value your own life, would you just accept that someone suddenly approached you with the proposition that if you didn't pay them a monthly fee they'd end your life?

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PC is safe for at least 5 years.Until then, we'll probably have emulators for every pre-Switch Nintendo machine. Nobody will make Windows 10 only games until Windows 7 support exists.

But do you value your life enough to pay the fee? That's the real question here, friendo.

Good one, user

The guy is using terrible bait, why should I take him serious?

Why would I pay the fee for something that isn't enforceable on their terms and isn't controllable by them?

Daily reminder, that wanting nothing but cheap/free shit makes you just as much of a Turbo Kike

Are you their accountant, Moshe? Also sour grapes

K fam, brb gonna go to the police station and just take some guns and supplies from em, after all, I already paid my taxes :^)

What if I value the fact that Nintendo's online is free? I can set up a Splatoon, MH or Pokemon match whenever I want, without having to worry about getting the most out of my money. If I pay for free online I lose it.

Also, if you really want to buy a new console and pay for online, the switch has the worst value. at least sony and even MS include games into your subscription. nintendo wil only "rent" games

Those aren't pay-to-play, you don't gain anything from buying in those games other than cosmetics

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We're talking about Nintendo here, Shlomo, you could play the mutliplayer portions of games on the Wii U and 3DS without paying any sort of subscription.

kek, whatever you say rabbi.

People get mugged all the fucking time.

Technically speaking you are paying for food and water and you WILL be paying for medicine and medical care later down the line.Unless vertical farming gets affordable and easy you're not going to grow your own shit and the value of land gets only more and more expensive by the second until the space-age allows humanity to open up.

You pay for your car,your land if you don't actually own it(if there isn't a tax for land owners),plumbing,electricity,heating and the internet you are using.You pay for access to highways,trains and even a bicycle needs maintance like oiling the gears which you will have to pay for eventually.

Polite sage for off-topic.

Most of the games are shovelware or you didn't want them regardless,that's the deal with free games.

Are you? Wait, maybe you are and that's why you're defending Nintendo so hard.

You fucking anti-semite.

Nintendo's online was never free. It was always subsidized from hardware and software sales. You don't even know how much this paid online is going to cost, how much games are, etc.

I think he meant that those games you have to buy to play them and then they have microtransactions in them as well.

Keep asking devs to work with it.
For smaller devs, you'll be surprised how often you get results.

Didn't WoW mark up server costs as a footnote/miscellaneous expense in one of their financial reports?

You're paying for electricity to run into servers, whether they have 1 player or a million. Paying for technicians to keep an eye on it and fix shit when it goes wrong, that'd be those person's daily/weekly wages. But I can't see how even 1000 people paying $5 a month or more works.
Lets say you have 5 technicians looking over the servers at any one time. And you only have 1000 players paying $5 a month.
$5000 a month, $1000 a month per technician. (or $250 a week, $35.71 a day assuming they also work and are paid the same at weekends)
Except- 1000 players is deemed a "failure" for any MMO. It's deemed dead for any online lobbies. And for massive AAA on consoles, they get up to 500,000 on launch- if not more.

How much are server technicians paid?
If they're paid less than the total income of the subscription fee- where does the extra money go?

Subscription fees have always been a money-making scam. Even (((Steam))) doesn't charge for your profile to exist on a server or use their servers for TF2/CS/DOTA. Even Pokemon only charged £5 for a year to transfer Pokemon from one generation to the next- and that used to be free.

I was just following your example

Paying for an MMO makes a hell of a lot more sense than paying to use the internet on your machine.
MMO's have a persistent content stream, you're essentially paying for the devs to continue creating more content.
You get nothing out of 'premium' services. Not a God damned thing and I'm not even defending MMO's, the genre is fucking retarded and the bar for quality is so low that the price that is charged isn't even warranted, but even so it's still more than what consoleplebs get out.

Maybe in shitholes like Brazil and New York City.
No, you paid $5 a year for Bank and Poketransfer was free. Also while free, transferring between Gen 3 and 4 was retarded because you could only do 6 Pokemon a day, Gen 4 to 5 was even more retarded because they turned it into a shitty minigame and required you to have two 3DS units.

forgot to quote

How do you know?

If there is no value to you, then don't pay for it. Exactly my point.

Never owned a Nintendo console since the NES. Nintendrones are cancerous manchildren, as evidenced by this thread.

The state of the Nintendo generation.

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I don't remember this scene. The duel never happened did it?

Back to Venezuela, Fernando!

I'm already paying for the console, the game, and maybe even dlc.
Tacking on $60 a year is pushing it.

Is Red Faction Guerilla's PC multiplayer server still up/alive? I got it ages ago on cheap, but I've been stuck on a toaster so I've not been able to play it.

Even if you mention the 'free shit' MS or Sony give you (and apparently Nintendo with the Switch), you're basically paying for abandonware at the end of the day.
The service costs the company accrues does not come close to justifying the price. I get better services for online games on the PC for games I don't even need to pay for to play.

You pay for the servers by buying the game, dipshit

Do you have an example, moishe?

Servers need upkeep

You know damn well those servers are piss-cheap to host.

Do we even know what the actual fee is yet?

So you seriously think, that some AAA game, that took 4-5 years to develop, or any game that has more than 20 people working on it for that long, can then cover their development cost and server cost for YEARS ahead, by with juts one 60$ sale per person?

Kek

Also everybody is forgetting that Nintendo doesn't handle their online infrastructure in house anymore. They have a deal with DeNA now to handle online services.

Except you have absolutely no idea what the premium service entails besides it being a paid service. That's my point. Wait until details to sperg out about it.

Like maybe 1% of game sales go to server management

no.

Oh look a faggot who has no idea how this actually works.
Unless it's an MMO, most online game servers are not hosted by the company itself, all they do is provide a server that provides the game client a centralized database to look up active game servers.

But I wasn't paying for it. With the Switch I'll have to pay for it. That's the difference.

True. If they make it cheap enough, or they add more value to it, I'll consider it. I'm already paying for Pokemon Bank, and that's just £5 a year. If it's the same price as the other consoles they'd have to give a fuckton of features to make it worth it

But FREE online has value to me. The fact that at any time I can call up my friend who rarely plays on his 3DS and say "Hey, I need help farming this enemy in MonHun, wanna join?" is what I value. If online cost money he wouldn't pay for it, because he rarely uses his 3DS. I wouldn't pay for it, because I only play online with others who rarely play it. They'd either have to make it dirt cheap or have a free online quota, or pack in enough features to make the subscription worth it.

Of fucking course you turbo kike. It's how Bethesda stays in bussiness.

And this is my problem how?

We had one for 600 Mexican pesos for 6 months in technical school.
Looking into it, it can take $5000 burgers to buy and $400 a month to maintain.
To a big company that's nothing.

You're already paying a monthly fee just to shitpost on Holla Forums, you dumb fuck

The details from the recent convention are enough to distance myself from it. I will never, ever buy a system that requires an extra subscription cost to access the full content of games I own.
Discussion over, if you're stupid enough to do it yourself be my guest, don't try and justify it.

Only kikes will defend this

>most online game servers are not hosted by the company itself

And whoever actually hosts those servers does it for free?

Seeing as how there are countless games where you have multiplayer for free, your whole argument that it isn't feasible is proven wrong.

I don't claim to know how Nintendo does it, but anything P2P takes servers fully fledged servers out of the question because most of the heavy weight from then on is handled by the client.
All they'd pay for is some lightweight server in the basement that provides matchmaking and possibly security.

You were, it was subsidized through the cost of your software and/or hardware (though not in the Wii U's case since iirc it was sold at a loss).

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Yes it is your problem if you want to play online.

Forgot to add this, but no they don't do it for free. On the PC they advertise on their own servers. There is an income stream through them, that's why they do it.

Remember when xbox and ps4 fanboys justified an online payment? Its your turn now faggot. :^)

Weren't the online service and servers of the Wii completely free? I think that Activision still had their servers up until like last year there.

And most companies do everything they can to get away from that model, because it's not sustainable in the long run at all. They also keep releasing DLC and remaking the same games over and over (Dark Souls)

No, again, you paid for them as a subsidized part of the game cost.
Impossible considering Gamespy was used to facilitate P2P matchmaking for the Wii and DS and that shut down in 2013 or earlier.

Explain. Why should the salary of some corporate employee have any impact on my being able to play online vidya. Whether the employee in question gets $100k a month or is enslaved and forced to work under threat of violence, it will have zero effect on me

Activision didn't use Gamespy for their servers.

Nothing is stopping you from playing online vidya. You just don't get to play online vidya on this particular platform. You are not entitled to shit.

Ubishit, EA, Bethesda, and more. All those rake in extreme profits using this ery bussiness model. Your claim is full of shit, they only try to switch to this practice because this way, they can jew the customer of even more money

back to tumblr with you

Are you trying to imply that the cost of games will go down once the paid online model comes into effect?

Amazing.

Well they can do that again. I don't mind having the game and consoles be a tiny bit more expensive for the convenience of playing online whenever I want without an extra fee.
Hell, if they went for the online pass and charged £5 for unlimited Internet access per game and quota'd anyone who didn't pay for it I'd be fine with that too. 2 Pokemon trades a day for free or £5 for infinite trades forever would still pay for servers. It's still better than 0 trades until you subscribe to our monthly thing for £x a month.

SEETHING

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except that each one of those companies sells you the same games over and over, has DLC schemes up the ass and produces games where you do get to pay for shit.

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We don't know, but ps+ and xbl are both $60 iirc and Nintendo seems likely to match them in price if not surpass them given their controllers cost far more than the competition.
It doesn't matter either, since I still refuse to pay the $5 a year for Pokémon bank so I won't be paying for this either. The thing that needs it's own premium phone app to actually fucking work.

i agree. ps4 and xbox gamers are the real gamers.

:^)

And you think throwing more money at them would fix that.

Well, good for you, your opinion isn't shared by most people. As soon as them consoles was announced as costing 300$, people started bitching about it and trying to compare it to the Nvidia shield. "Nintendo is making us pay for far less, look at how cheap the Shield is!!!!". And if anyone even implies that games in general should cost more, it's just pictures of Kikes all day. Nobody wants to pay for shit, justified or not.

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Considering most game servers last only 5 years or less- you might as well only charge for servers in the game's cost.

I'd encouraging spreading that knowledge- if it wasn't for AAA actively working against it, or that they then jack up the base-price of the game to "appease customers".

So, how much do they pay you?

You lost, Bernie, go back home and take a nap! You are SAD enough already!

Nothing. I bet it's a fan-boy trying to legitimize the pre-order he made, or someone at the company doing it for free.

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Poor, poor EA, how can they ever make a profit without charging for online play?

Niggers who support multiplayer, thus causing more of it to infest video games, deserve to lose money for their cancerous existence. Paid online is a faggot tax.

I've seen that happen. It's unfortunate that people only look towards the short term.
I guess that the lesson is a collective consciousness of kikery only ends up jewing itself.

You guys will need these.

Call out, report, ignore, filter.
Don't do it to those making honest inquiries or a compelling counter argument.
Don't reply to the shill, treat those who reply to the shill as shills.

I want niggers to leave!

fuck off kike

Yes, people will bitch, endlessly, when somebody makes them pay for something like this, but they will then refuse to pay any extra prices on games or hardware, even when they are justified by inflation alone.

Not necessarily but that COULD happen. Like if the yearly subscription was $10 for Nintendo Gold the price of games could be lowered by like $3-5 and compete better against other platforms. There are many ways they can approach this.

Hi SJW

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Not even that, its just bad discussion.
No one is making a decent case for the other side- but instead of now mocking it or deciding how to ruin it's reputation so other's don't do this in the future, it's just two idiots throwing shit at each other.

Even if they're not paid/fanatical to do it, it still stops discussion/mocking of Paid online.
The more discussion, the more it trickles down into mainstream.
The more that happens, the quicker people will refute it.

You didn't even read what he posted

But I did

Nintendo already said they're not selling the console at a loss, then we can see that the games are clearly full priced, plus they're continuing their amiibo crap. Why do they then have to be this jewish about their online shit?

I know it's a pipe dream, who knows how they'll model this shit?

Where?

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They'll make you pay x amount and your vidya will still be the same price as ever. Maybe you'll get some free shit you don't want too. That's it. That subscription money isn't coming back to you in some ill-defined way, that's not how big businesses work.

How do you know, though?

Why even bother discussing about conflicting opinion/ideas if pople are quick to dismiss them as shilling or fanboyism?

Reminder we don't even know the price on this shit and that any stated price of it is essentially theorycrafting.

Because the price of PS4 games is the same as the price of PS3 games was. PS+ didn't affect them the cost of vidya at all. Nintendo know that you're going to pay the subscription fee and still pay the same for your games.

CUSTOM FIRMWARE AND/OR PIRACY FOREVER AND EVER
but be sure to have a RARE copy of this game

Piracy is probably why they're doing paid online.

The way Nintendo is so backwards when it comes to piracy protection and online just wait until we get a good CFW.

the last console with 10 good games was the atari 2600

every successful exploit for the wii u and the 3ds is always done by a video or sound file

Just fuck my shit up

People can still access freeshop without paying for it,it will only discourage piracy for Pokemon and Splatoon 2 at best.

Considering how little people actually pirate this is just false.

You don't understand how that works and how they already probably figured out a better way of handling their eshop key system.
And every other game with online play.

Uh, no.

Prove it.

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The 3DS was hacked by a mistake in Cubic Ninja's map sharing, a mistake in Ironfall's coding because that was written in Assembly, and a webkit exploit. There's also Themehax, which exploits loading a bad theme. Soundhax came much later.
As for the Wii U, vWii was hacked with a modified Smashstack. No idea how Loadline works, but I bet it involves webkit.

If anons are quick to dismiss, they are shills.

Threads should be a discussion, or fun.
If a thread isn't fun, or discussion can't happen- then what is their purpose?

We do, actually.
nintendo.com/switch/online-service/
You get jack shit. Everyone already has access to free voice chat programs and emulators. The other shit is only there to pad it out so idiots don't feel like they're getting completely scammed.

They're doing paid online because they think they can get away with it and it'll give them more money. It has nothing at all to do with piracy. PC has more piracy than any other platform, but nobody charges for online except MMOs because you can't get away with it. MS tried with GFWL and had to back off.

Why not give them the goddamn NES games instead of renting them. Are people seriously okay with this jewry? You can download every NES game on a 300mb zip for free.

so I guess Holla Forums's about to start another raid?

I don't fucking know. Maybe there are enough good goyim out there that actually buy NES VC games, but even Sony and MS let you keep the "free" games as long as you're subscribed. PS+ games have gone to complete shit since the service became a requirement for multiplayer but at least you get to keep them.

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Circlejerking,some people just want jerk off and have another "post yfw" compilation in their personal hug-box of approved opinions.Issue is that people go there with the prospect of "winning discussions" instead of discussing inofitself.
Long and detailed,actually witty or fun/funny posts feel like they're getting more and more rare and in their place we're getting people looking to get outraged to start a pissing contest.

The thing that gets me from this shill craze is that after a certain point in time cancer like post counting and going to straight calling the person disagreeing with them shills has been getting way too common.To the point of posting ">(1)" nearly immediately after the post was posted.

Again,polite sage due to off-topic and meta-drama.

b-b-b-b-but that's STEALING! That's ILLEGAL!
Normalfags are retarded sheep that only do what the government tells them is to okay to do. Why else do you think they bitch up and down about Virtual Console games when they can just get cfw and put an emulator on their 3DS?

This is getting to be bioware levels.

I say this all the time, but Istill don't get why Nintendo didn't include free downloads of VC games with amiibos to make me actually want to buy them, so this is no surprise really.

The number of people actually installing CFW on the 3ds is very small. The vast majority of owners, even now that the latest firmware is easily hackable, just aren't interested or aren't aware.

Because then they couldn't dangle shit like renting a rom with a bare bones hamachi/tunngle service. Come on, this is nintendo we are talking about. The company that charged 20+ dollars for a rom in a gba cart and the E-reader scam.

Because if you get caught you get a massive ass fine and you'll get spied on more closely,ruining further chances or piracy.
That and fear of bricked systems seems to be a pretty big reason to avoid piracy until there's a safe and reliable method.

Other times people lack the methods or the info besides expensive scams like the 3DS flashcarts or whatever that thing for the WiiU was before CFW.

Ok I'm gonna throw my two cents into this and play the devil's advocate by trying to justify the paid online service.

Lets start with the server upkeep. The Dedicated server MC-32 goes for about $79 a month and is rather cheap. My knowledge on pc specs is shit but I'm lead to believe from multiple forums and game server discussions that the average amount of games a typical server can host is about 3-4 depending on the player count and processing.

To put this in simpler terms, imagine a 6v6 moba style game using the MC-32 and that a single server can handle hosting 4 games. If I total player base of 600,000 I would need 12,500 servers maximum and that would cost $987,500 a MONTH.

Of course I overshot since rarely will a game's entire player base play all at once, but things like drmcity have taught that its better to be safe then sorry when regarding the amount of servers needed.

pc's can get away with free online since players themselves can buy servers to play on, but on consoles that can't happen. If you make a online game for consoles either you have to host the game or the console publisher does. And given that online games aim to last several years, its better for server upkeep to be handled by the console owner then the gaming dev.

ITT people who haven't worked a day in their life

Things you're ignoring:
Most console games are p2p and don't need a dedicated server.
Economies of scale. Buying a server to host one or two games is very different from buying servers to host 100,000 games.

If Nintendo does move to dedicated servers for games such as Splatoon, that could justify a small fee. If they keep their current model and expect to charge for it, which is what I expect, that's a different situation entirely.

I didn't ignore that, I was simply retarded and didn't realized that existed.

Jeez, this thread full of shills and anti-shill and nu gamers

Use LAN tunneling or become corporate bitches.

That's a pretty hebrew outlook on things, isn't it Mr. Shekelstein.

Tell me of a single person that got a fine for emulating fucking mario on their 3ds.

You sick fuck.

>he cant browse >>>/premium/
Laugh at this pleb

I support this. NEETs keep calling me a kike shill or whatever, but i have nothing against piracy and using the console for whatever the FUCK you want.

Spot on. With P2P, matchmaking for thousands of players can be easily handled by a single server. Dedicated servers would cut into their profits too much, so the only reasonable explanation I have (besides Nintendo jewing the fuck out of us) is that all of this money is going into the social media/smartphone chat bullshit that DeNA is pushing. They're getting rid of Miiverse too, so Switch's online is literally worse than the Wii U's, you can't access anything on the Switch itself, and you have to pay for it. Even for Nintendo that is bad.

Because some dumbass in the Splatoon thread said it's impossible, don't even try goy.

Well fuck. That place was like an imageboard masquerading as a forum. It had reaction images and everything.
I'm going to miss all the crazy stuff they had, like that one kid who posted a rant about blacks.

The Wii U was too good for this world.

I don't think you realize just how close we came to having exactly that happen during Vista's time. Thankfully people stuck with Steam and just cracked anything limited to GFWL

The bright side of that is that part of the service is likely to completely bomb during the free trial period. Nobody's going to use it. If Nintendo is counting on that stuff providing a big chunk of the value of their service, we might see some changes.

Except if you want a good overall experience. Recent p2p games i've played are Xenoverse 2 and Dark Souls 3. Both suffer from very inconsistent online experience, where you see punches connecting, when in fact they didn't, one player being completely unable to do anything, wile the other player can do whatever the fuck he wants.. People disappearing and teleporting around you, invisible combos and backstabs,e tc.It fucking sucks, especially in any remotely competitive online game. There is only such much you can do to the netcode to fix that, when there are no servers for everyone to connect to.

Your "solution" is to just use the cheapest, shittyest option.

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They… really don't understand how this whole "online internet" thing works, do they? I thought they were just stubborn before, maybe even a bit foresighted for minimizing the cancer, but wow… no, they just can't even fundamentally grasp the core concept can they?

Server costs scale really well and hosting servers for online gaming is surprisingly cheap, the costs of Nintendo's online services could be factored into an individual games budget and wouldn't make even barely successful games failures. there is no justification for the end user only the company, Subscription revenue for online access on consoles hit 3 billion dollars last year and that's why Nintendo is charging for online, it's a massive source of money and the Playstation Division's primary source of profit.

Oy vey!

There was a glitch in Mario and Luigi Dream Team's miiverse that let people upload their own pics. A lot of kids started uploading suggestive material just to piss off the admins.

p2p has flaws, but we're likely to get p2p even with the subscription. If Nintendo was willing to commit to dedicated servers that would have been in the presentation or on the website. You admit that p2p is shitty, so why should we be paying a sub for it?

How could nintendo remove something so beautiful?

Every fucking time

$80 JOYCONS
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You still need the $30 stand. Which doesn't come with the console.

What stand are you talking about? The Joycon Grip? One of those comes with the console.

Am I ever going to need to buy another set of Joycons? think about this logically.

What about damage, theft, or multiplayer games that aren't gimmickfests?

This is a huge non issue. Very few programs will support those features for the next 5-6 years, even now barely any commercial programs or engines support the instruction sets in the current or last generations of CPUs. Even then it's a matter of compiler optimizing, it doesn't make a huge difference outside specific fields of number crunching.

Modern video games and their engines are designed to run on x86 consoles that came out years ago and have low power APUs or smartphones and tablets, they're not going to waste their time or money on features 1-5% of their consumers have.

If you care about those features at all you're already running GNU/Linux and compiling everything from scratch on a bleeding edge distro. You might have windows in a VM if you really need it.

tl;dr you can install w7 or w8 on these new CPUs and miss practically nothing

I'm beginning to think people spread these lies so that when they're proven false again people will think highly of the console. Is this a known shilling technique?

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GUYS
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Splatoon 2 is not going to have Graffiti in stages or splatfest graffiti

Proof?

THERE'S NO MIIVERSE ON THE SWITCH

There's no miiverse on Switch.

There might be a replacement, time will tell.

Isn't this a good thing? I thought miiverse was one of those cancerous multiplayer features.

The thigh that comes with the console is just plastic, the charging grip is $30 so you might as well take it over the charging stand that's also the same price.
You're gonna need a stand when you buy joycons unless you want to hold them like wiimotes and you can get a plastic one for $15.
That's still $95 to $120 for a controller.

Fucking gold

Any proof that there won't be a replacement?

So? That doesn't mean another in-game drawing system won't replace it.

Theft could happen with anything and you'd have to pay the steep price to replace it, and fuck using a Joycon for multiplayer, it's here's you controller bro tier.

Not saying they need to be bought, it's still a ridiculous price. And $50 for a SINGLE. FUCKING. JOYCON. That is more than what official PS4 controllers are selling for. Good lord. Even putting Joycons aside, it's a $70 Pro controller.

No it's not, you don't understand. That place was like the Youtube comment section meets imageboards meets autism.

It was spreading when Sony adopted it as well, now the console industry is completely enveloped in it. People didn't fight back against M$ and now this is the standard, paying to use your own internet connection that you already pay for. It's never going away now.

Sounds like complete cancer.

I'd say thats unlikely considering if the switch actually does have a touch screen you would have to get up and take the switch out of its dock to actually use it just to post a picture on miiverse. Seems pretty tedious.

These prices are shit, I wouldn't argue that point.

Miiverse had some amazing qualities to it. It's community was like an imageboard trying to see what they could get away with.
It had game integration, and a lot of people used it for things like sharing tips in Splatoon, or pointing out shortcuts in Mario, or just to vent. It was pretty comfy.

That's the point, its hilarious.

I need more comments to properly evaluate.

miiverse.nintendo.net/
Take a look.

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for what it's worth, PaulyU later posted pics of him beating Mother Brain. So I guess he did at some point figure out how to make Metroid crawl

That's absolutely Heartwarming

I guess that's to be expected, since they're gutting Miiverse. What a shame, Nintendo is quickly losing everything that made their platforms charming.

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I didn't mean to suggest using them in the retarded fashion, I meant when slotted into a grip.

japs are notorious for not know how to do anything with the internet at all, despite having the highest speeds available for the majority of their population.

This is amazing. How have I never seen this before.

scorpio will run on that new cpu

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I'm going to miss Miiverse and all it's stupidity. Though, posts like these are probably the reason they aren't bringing it back.

Reminder that with the Switch being priced at 300 and online at a reasonable price being 15 a month, if the switch lasts 5 years (which the wii-u itself didn't even make it that far), you would pay 900 dollars for fucking online

Heh.

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Are you fucking retarded? Aren't XBL and PSN like $60-70 per year? That's nowhere near $15/month

Then G.I. Joe comes back after deployment and wonders why Barbie is spending a lot of time with that guy named Jody who looks a lot like Ken.

Nintendrones will defend it, I'm sure.

This entire thread reminds me of that screencap of sony fanboys ragging on microsoft for having paid online and then justifying it after sony revealed they were jewing them too.
Consolefags need to be shot.

Nigga, ps+ is $10 a month or $60 a year after the price increased, xbox live is $40 a year (less than three fiddy a month).

15 dollars a year would be reasonable but still fucking jewish. 15 a months is fucking insane especially when the other chuckle fuck consoles are around 5 dollars a month.

Most Japanese websites are stuck in the 1990s, but that's really ok considering that many Western websites are about the size of DOOM for DOS.

u wot

Aside from the obvious reasonable price being fucking nothing, the other console manufacturers aren't even offering any more than $10.

The only reasonable price for online is 0$.

PS+ is $50 for a year. And you get pretty decent free games with it. Nintendo would need something really fucking good to warrant $15 a month. My hope would be full access to all Virtual Console titles, but we all know that wouldn't happen.

$15 a month certainly isn't reasonable especially when that makes it 3 times more expensive then the fucking competition

This, there is no real reason to charge an enterance fee.

They should have done it how PS+ was when it started on the PS3; Basic free online for everyone, PS+ subscribers get access to more shit and free games.

so this kill nintendo right? they will just make games and rent licenses from now on?

No they shouldn't have.
It should've been free.

Ps+ should have never existed.

They still have a chance to turn this shit around, but if the Switch ends up being another massive failure, they're fucked. I see them moving almost exclusively to Mobile after that.

my internet is already paid for though, this is just another pay wall with no fucking reason to exist other than greed.

I think PS+ should have been just for free games each month.

Considering how badly Super Mario Run was received, I don't think they can make moble games well.

The Switch should've been a Nintendo smartphone using an android based OS with a built in controller.

But Nintendo is TOO FUCKING RETARDED to think of this.

What, free games every month?

IT'S OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT
IT'S OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT
IT'S OKAY WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT

If PS+ and XBL were just game rental services they would actually have some value to them, rather than just being a paywall for online multiplayer.

They shouldn't charge anything for online, that would have been the least cancerous out come in this jewish world. Stupid fanboys could still get rewarded for sucking corporate cock, but everyone could still play for free.

you pay for it.

granted, at a very discounted rate, but you do pay for the games you get from PS+. don't let them trick you into thinking the games are free.

Hell, that could be their next handheld console. Smartphones can be surprisingly powerful gaming devices, and if Nintendo made one with a fold-out controller on the sides, it could be really cool.

I hope nobody actually thinks this.

Yeah, PC has everything aside from nintendo exclusives, that has always been their business model. PC for main games, switch in the living room for when friends are over.
I just want my spring punching waifu

Not replying to you but the other guy

It's a slippery slope.
It just should not be a thing.

Do like steam does, take a cut out of every purchase (which they of course already do, but that's not enough), but there should not be a paywall for cloud saves that gives you a shitty free game every month

This is suicide for Nintendo.

It did happen.

I hope so

No when Monster Hunter gets a switch release, then they've got the entire nation of japan buying the thing and paying for online

that's the worst part

it's not. the switch will be a massive success.

But it's going to cost them in the Western markets anyways.

Like how the Wii U was a success?

haha

If Piracy was widespread on the 3ds then Pokemon Sun and Moon wouldn't of sold over a million

Like the Wii U, Xbox One and Vita are right

The funny thing about nintendo's "free games" is that they are NES ports that you only get to keep for a month. One month.

HUR DUR BOYCOTT

Are you sure it's not the other way around? And I'm not even thinking of getting the console before you call me a drone, haven't own a console since the PS2.

You must live under a rock if you've never seen anybody complain about Sony and microshaft's paid online bullshit.

WEW LAD

I remembered people flipping their shit when Sony began doing it too.

I boycotted the ps4 because it had paid online.
And before I boycotted xbox because it had paid online.

You're a fucking retard

And that's ignoring Nintendo's is 3 times as much and you don't even get half the services

They didn't get even half of the shit nintendo is getting now, not only here, in every gaming forum I've checked

Dubs

Yeah, I want my game interrupted by calls, emails, whatsapp, and to have an even stronger drain on the battery.

Most japs don't use online for monhun.

We must have lived in different realities then.
Also it might seem like nintendo's getting more shit because they're the last of the big 3 to implement this crap, but they all got their own share of backlash.

it's a really good reason for me to not bother with it. i've owned every handheld besides the gbc too.

I remember people raging and a bunch of fanboys yelling "Nintendo won!!!" for days on end.
You must be hiding somewhere.

Next 2 mainline monster hunter games
Next 2 mainline Pokemon games
Zelda botw
Mario odyssey
No more heroes 3
Next smash
Fire emblem warriors
Xenoblade 2

They haven't even released the price for online yet,dipshit.

Charging a monthly fee makes sense for one single reason that everybody here seems to be ignoring.

If a customer has their credit card details in the system right from the start they're far more likely to buy digital goods. The extra revenue stream of 10 or 15 dollars a month is nothing compared to cutting out the middle man and selling directly. You deal with the problem of used games as well.

Their investors would be livid if they didn't do this. I think it's terrible for consumers and will be playing their games online for free through emulators, as I've been doing for the last 2 decades. But I'm not going to be angry at Nintendo for upholding their legal responsibilities to shareholders. That is just downright childish.

Yes they have read the fucking thread

3 of those aren't even announced yet, 4 are nowhere near release, and 1 is a port.

You know right that they're charging more than their competition by a significant degree and offering significantly less for the cost
This will absolutely kill sales of the console, as nobody wants to pay $180 a year just to play online

Fucking where?
An user's post saying that 15 a month is a reasonable price?

B-but you have to conform to those rules I just made up!
Also Monster hunter and pokemon are a save bet

My 3ds has my credit card info, and that doesn't need paid online.
You don't need paid online to tie a credit card to an account, unless you mean to force it onto the consumer.

Any new Pokemon game will be shit and Monster Hunter isn't going to get better

Where's the fucking proof of the 15-per month price faggot?

They want the higher end of the market and charge accordingly. That's their decision to make and considering the difference between them and their competitors it's probably the right one.

If it isn't they'll quickly change.

FUcks get out.

archive.is/dU86n
Here is your proof

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What are you going on about

Well X&Y were shit as well as ORAS and S&M, so I doubt the next one would be good
While I doubt that after Generations, Capcom could do anything to surpass 4U or the PSP games

A non-functional archive link is considered proof these days?

So I take it that the this user's suggested price was your source for the official price of online?

Oh well, I enjoyed ORAS and SM

FreedomUnitefags tend to think that game is the apex of monster hunter and everything else after is a causal travesty (only Gen is).

I provided proof and you 're making up reatrded shit on why you can't accept that Nintendo is shit now
I know the pain, I was a nintendrone too, as recent as 2015 but after they did shit

Post the original proof then you retarded faggot.

Or post a functional link/picture this time instead of being a faggot.

That link could anything, even intentionally non-functioning. Provide a real source.

This

This is what i feared, consolefags who were retarded enough to get something current or last gen moving to PC because of nintendo which was just shit now becoming also jewish. Now there's an even smaller chance of a good game coming out again and all pc-related communities will just take yet another nosedive.

That's what I was thinking about. Hopefully XLink Kai or some other tunneling network would add support for the Switch.