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>>116871848Bountiful Tuesday.Thanks for the update OP, and to the anons who find this stuff.
>>116871848I read part of that article, very interesting stuff. Way more than what I was expecting.
>>116871848>12 booksWhich will take like a year to be localized
>>116871848Probably a minor detail but the 12 spines of the books make an Olaf picture, you can even see it in OP's pic
So since Doom killed the Beyonders, is it even possible to make more cosmic cubes anymore?
Reposting some of the cool tech webms a nice user shared last thread
>>116872063I think you might be lost, good sir user.
>>116872063Wrong thread, my dude
>>116872063Let me tell you about the lesbians
>>116871848This next string of webms are from the video shared in the OP
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>>116871983I pray that these 12 books are just a first collection that were written before the movie, and more are coming. None have been very revealing at all.
>>116872085>>116872088>>116872099>>116872110>>116872142>>116872152>>116872160>>116872174I love that we're still getting this sort of bts tech content, I was very frustrated by how little of it there was in ITU
>>116872197I think there's a very good chance more are coming.The first movie got 30 books from the same publisher, and they released from October 2014 all the way to November 2017. Some even tied into Frozen Fever, the first short.bibliothequerose.com
>>116871848>That SummarySo it's confirmed they would kill her if they knew she is Northuldra, that's pretty dark for a Frozen novel
>>116872281To be fair the Northuldra killed based King Runeard.
>>116872268>3 have the Frozen Fever subtitle>4 have the Northern Lights subtitleKind of funny that the LEGO special got more books about it than the actual short
>>116872281It's pretty scary. Queen Iduna lived in terror her whole life, hiding in plain sight in a town that wanted her dead. Really looking forward to the book.
>>116872328No, user, you're looking at this wrong.Northern Lights was like a sub-franchise of Frozen, which included novels, story books AND the Lego short.Is not that the books exist because of the short, in fact the short has a very different plot from the books.
>>116872328A couple books show her in the Frozen Fever dress, yet don't have the subtitle.And the "Magie des Aurores Boréales" subtitle appears in two different fonts, like they didn't quite have the design finalised before publishing. It's more than just the short, too.It's kind of funny, like they didn't actually have this book series planned out, but they kept going anyway.
>>116872390Is northern lights (the entire thing) worth the time investment?I'm just looking for a Frozen fix.
>>116872142>>116872152Beautiful
>>116872439I didn't think the novel was that good, it starts promising but then most of the story centers around a little troll, who funnily enough was completely omitted from the short.Read the adventure notebook if you want to experience the story with cute doodles and commentary from Anna and Elsa. user shared the scan a long time ago so it has to be in the pastebin.
>>116872354And she let her daughters suffer because of it, I have no sympathy for her.But yes, I'm very hyped for that book.
>>116872197>None have been very revealing at allI'm sure that's just a symptom of the movie itself not being figured out until very late. If you look at the list here, >>116872268 nearly all of the books are set after the first movie, starting from the very first one. Yet the current series has barely moved past Frozen 2 at all. Somewhere in the pipeline, the story is just stuck.
To whoever called out some posts in the last thread and said Holla Forumsmblr,All I want to say is based and redpilled.
>>116871848>they rigged the fucking wave and then had to do some fuckery with an air field to get the water to simulate accordingly and follow the rig.I can kind of guess why they did it but I'm still bewildered
>>116872786Yes, that was quite the revelation.I imagine they really needed that giant wave under control and plain simulation wasn't gonna cut it.
>>116872735>Yet the current series has barely moved past Frozen 2 at all.That's going to be a problem for tie in and supplementary works, eventually. I mean in theory they can just keep filling out the timeskip between Frozen 1 and 2 but at some point following up on F2 would be preferable
>>116872786The part about Nokk is really cool, too.I thought it was just a nice shader but it turns out they're actual particles made to behave as fluid with vectors pushing them.
>>116871848>the material for the salamander had two variants with a spicy (on fire) and a non-spicy versionIt’s hilarious to me that they just use “spicy” in the middle of all that technical jargon
>>116872085>I guess they used a different model for the scene where the dam breaks>article: No, you idiot, the entire dam was built piece by piece to be breakable and it had to look good from every distance because we also have shots with people running across the damn thingOk, I'm a little surprised by how unnecessarily complicated and cool that is
>When writing Dangerous Secrets, I had this Elsa doll sitting on my desk. I used her as my Iduna stand-in, since they haven’t made any dolls of Iduna when she was young. (THOUGH THEY SHOULD!!) I like to imagine this is what young Iduna looked like (albeit with darker hair and no gloves) when she was first falling for Agnarr…
>>116871848Based on the summary it looks like they're skipping a good chunk of the story because it starts with Iduna being 16.I hope they at least tell us how is it that she rebuilt her life in Arendelle right after she escaped from the forest.
>>116872830I’m hoping their first priority is figuring out the post F2 world and characters. I don’t know how many of the production rumors are true, but they definitely rushed the ending, and there’s a lot that needs to be answered and decided on. I still suspect that spirit Elsa wasn’t supposed to be a thing, and now they don’t know what to do with her personality, preventing even an “Elsa visits Arendelle” story. They’re not ready to commit to anything that moves the story forward. They gave the ok for some content that features F2 imagery, but it’s just to buy time. That’s probably why they allowed covid to mess with their releases, since this stuff is nothing new. They’ve got to have big plans for post-movie content. All they have to do is figure out what the hell Elsa is and what she does.
I can't wait to read the chapter where Iduna realizes she has to come clean to Agnarr about her past because if she doesn't, Elsa and Anna will suffer for potentially their entire lives. And then decides "Fuck it, why should I inconvenience myself for those little shits?"
Come watch Frozen: The Northern Lights and other Frozen shortsthis Friday at 8 pm ESTcytu dot be slash r slash frz>how to install tampermonkey and scriptpastebin.com/rEqkN7kwStreaming the other shorts (OFA, FF, At Home with Olaf) as well. How do you guys feel about Russian OFA?
>>116873216Hyped!>spoilerB вocтopгe!!!
>>116873216>Russian OFAblyat, count me in!
>>116873065You just know she accidentally inserted Elsa’s personality. That means we’re getting some young Elsa romance.
>>116873199I expect that to happen at least 5 times, given she doesn't tell Agnarr the full truth until they are about to get Nokk'd
>>116873199There was an excerpt of the first chapter posted, and it shows that Iduna doesn’t confess until already they’re on the boat and literally about to drown. Elsa is 18 at this point. That’s years of suffering already, and it wasn’t enough for her to speak up.
>>116873281>>116873325Why are they releasing a book about such an awful person?
>>116873216I’m laughing just imagining Russian Olaf’s voice
>>116873397Because I wanna read it.
>>116873397>we can't do a middle grade romance novel for Frozen unless we use the parentsReminds me of when that Frozen Shadows novel called Kristoff Anna's best friend.
>>116873462I can’t blame the author. 7 years in and the Kristoff-Anna relationship has no chemistry at all. At least the parents are married, so they’re the only choice to write about.
Lord, I thought that was Kuzco from the thumbnail, then i thought it was Mulan when I opened it
>>116873397Disney did release a movie about this horrible person too
>>116873525It's Colisa, the queen of Chatho, which is apparently Arendelle world's version of Mongolia.
>>116873506cute clipping
>>116873534kek, beat me to it.
>>116873555Does she have any powers or is magic strictly an Arendelle affair?
>>116873604Elsa is still the only human with powers.
>>116873604At the moment, there are no other humans with magic in Frozen's world.
>>116873462I guess that's why Dangerous Secrets is one age group up from FoS. Same level as Conceal, Don’t Feel though I never read that one
>>116873272>We're getting young Elsa romance with Agnarr.We're reaching incest levels we can't comprehend.
>>116873065>they haven’t made any dolls of Iduna when she was young. (THOUGH THEY SHOULD!!)That's right, we need Loliduna dolls RIGHT NOW!
>>116873325Oh, I'm well aware. And I want them to go into excruciating detail when she first realizes "it's my kids or me" and she decides "me." And proceeds to decide "me" over and over and over for the next ten-plus years.
The live-action remake is looking very good.
>>116873745>>116873065is there really not a single doll or play set featuring young Agnarr and Iduna? aren’t they the exact age group the movie was targeting? seems like a huge omission
>>116873615>>116873624>Elsa>human
>>116873778Poor Bruni's gotten so old he's changed colors and isn't nearly as cute>>116873789Despite her...budding fanbase around here young Iduna is barely in the movie
>>116873555>>116873604>Queen of Chatho, which is apparently Arendelle world's version of Mongolia>Does she have any powers ?Having a motherfucking world-scourging Horde is her power.
>>116873886That’s right. She’s now a human-shaped Spirit instead, with a Barbie-doll body. That means no genitals.
>>116873997>barbie doll bodymore like surf board body
So, do we think this was always the intended backstory for Iduna (at least as far as Frozen II goes because there's no way they had this shit in mind during Frozen), or is Mari Mancusi, like we have been ever since November, just coming up with random shit and trying to fill in the blanks of "Why did this bitch never tell her family about her past? Would've been fairly vital information."?
Make a series already
>>116874138I want to believe it was intended from the start of Frozen 2’s process. I don’t know much about the origins of the “Iduna was secretly Northuldra” plot point, perhaps other anons do.I’m sure she had some oversight while writing it, but I don’t know how much. It’s totally made up, but since it’s approved to some degree, it becomes the new canon unless the book is obviously contradictory.
>>116874138>>116874253It might be a fun exercise (well, fun for me because I’m obsessed) to find the earliest possible moment the idea could have been planned. I know that for years after the first movie, little story bits like Iduna “visiting her relatives” would make it impossible.
>>116874138It first showed up in the Broadway play where Iduna was a former member of the Hidden Folk, who were Brodway's version of the trolls.
>>116874253>I don’t know much about the origins of the “Iduna was secretly Northuldra” plot pointThey started toying with that idea with the Broadway musical. Instead of Northuldra, it was a tribe called the Hidden Folk. Iduna was secretly a member of that tribe and that was somehow related to Elsa having magic powers.
>>116874326Oh, and forgot to add they were also the replacement for the Trolls in the story.
>>116874308>>116874326That’s cool, I didn’t know the plays were allowed to deviate from the movie so much, I just assumed they were completely faithful adaptations.I would personally place them pretty low on the canon ladder, but I guess somebody liked that detail enough to integrate it into the movies.
>>116874239That would be a dream come trueI’m currently willing myself to believe that Disney wants to, but is currently unable due to coronavirus
>>116874376Jennifer Lee, the writer of Frozen and Frozen 2, is credited as writing the "book" for the musical.I know almost nothing about musicals and theater, so I don't know if "book" is the same as "script".If that's the case then it was an idea she evolved over time and prototyped with the musical.
>>116874400Would the series even be made in the US? It seems like all the books, comics, magazines etc. are actually written overseas first.Hey, maybe we’ll get a Frozen series in French. Wouldn’t that be funny?
>>116874436As a former theater geek, I can confirm that book = script. It’s the connective tissue of a musical. Note that this excludes the actual songs, but it still creates the scenes that lead into the songs, as well as writing all the spoken dialogue, so she certainly read the songs and understood their place in the narrative. If Lee wrote the book, then the idea was definitely at least partially hers to begin with.
>>116874535>If Lee wrote the book, then the idea was definitely at least partially hers to begin withNot necessarily, she could have just been handed the “Iduna is Hidden Folk Song” written entirely by someone else....
Translations.Leave requests and I'll do them tomorrow.Here's the second part of user's request from last thread (>>116857713)1/4
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>>116874595>>116857460And I'm reposting this one because I don't know if the user who requested saw it.
>>116874571Even if that’s the case, then she still did work on connecting that idea to the main story, and whoever wrote it in the first place was her coworker who was making the musical with her together, it’s not like she stole the idea if that’s what you’re implying.
>>116874326I would have preferred Hidden Folk instead of Northuldra. Northulra are just the standard "closer to nature, vaguely magical natives" that have been used a hundred times before. Hidden Folk were at least a slightly more interesting idea, especially since Icelandic and Faroese folklore refers to elves as "Hidden People."
>>116874308>>116874326>>116874436>>116874535Ah, that's right, I heard about that change in the play. However, that doesn't necessarily mean it was intended from the get-go for Frozen II. Also, either way that doesn't really answer the "why did Iduna never share her past" thing.
>>116874640Iduna being some kind of elf would be quite neat. Instead of their offsprings being half-elves, Elsa got their Ice powers.
>>116874634Hey, I did miss it, thanks!Agnarr looks so proud in his comfy sweater. I don’t know why, but I love the dynamic where one of the sisters is an adult and the other is a kid.
>>116874640Northuldra execution sucks and it shows the narrowmind, shallow thinking of Californians regarding history, anthropology of other parts of the world aside the United States by directly implying Native=Non-white.>Native and Cold? They're probably eskimos???Most likely they did it due the fringe criticism about how Frozen and shorts were "too white" and giving into them
>>116874595thanks, nesedong is great as always, I love the idea that Anna has super intense resting face that disappears completely the moment she hears from her sister
>>116874690en.wikipedia.org
>>116874657The hidden folk were a way to replace the trolls and add BIPOC into the cast
>>116874725>>116874755You're welcome.
>>116874850Yes, but my question wasn't about her being Northuldra, it was specifically about why she never told Agnarr/Elsa/Anna she was Northuldra, and was "Arendelle hates the Northuldra and Iduna was scared" always the intended reason, or is the book just making shit up to fill in the gaps?
>>116874308>>116874339Oh good since the trolls are gone they took out the worst...>Fixer Upper is still in the musicalWhy?
>>116874930>or is the book just making shit up to fill in the gapsWell, ITU documentary clearly gives us the idea they have no big planning regarding Frozen. Perhaps one of the comments after the first public screening showed interest on how Agnar and Iduna fell in love.Paying a writter to write a book sounds like the cheapest option instead of shorts, a tv series or comic book.
>>116874948You can't escape that song, user.
>>116874930If it's anything like the Forest of Shadows, it's making shit up to fill the gaps. It doesn't even look like the characters are even aware of the Northuldra until they encounter them in the forest. It's just a bedtime story otherwise.
>>116874930>>116875036Watch the deleted scenes, they say the Northuldra language was forbidden, so they were at least thinking about integrating hate for the Northuldra during the making of the film
>>116875089Correct, there was an intention to add this implied hate towards the Northuldra in the movieyoutu.be
>>116875089>Forbidden by AgnarrI'm glad they left that out.
>>116875138>>116875089Wait, you're telling me Iduna had a whole secret room in the castle and NONE of the staff knew about it?
>>116875191I would ban the language of those backstabbing ungrateful savages if I were him, too.
>>116875191>There's no Northuldra outside the mist because Agnarr spent years hunting them down
>>116875246>Elsa's actual sex-slave dungeon was Agnar's torturing room.
>>116875138>"North Eldrian?"Nah, there's no hate towards the Northuldra at all. They're clearly talking about some other race of people.>"We need to see Lord Sorensen."Jesus Christ, what fucking ditched plot/character is THAT?
>>116875293That's Mattias. He wasn't trapped in Forest in that version.
>>116875333Mattias before they changed his name, forgot to mention.
>>116875333>>116875342I thought Mattias was still trapped in the forest, but he was alone and thought Elsa, Anna and co were allucinations.
>>116875348No, in the interview with the directors right before that deleted scene plays they say Sorensen was an earlier version of Mattias
>>116875138I wonder at what point, and the reasoning behind it, that Jen (and friends) had the "Elsa and Anna discover dark secrets about their mother's past" plot going in full swing, then sat down and came to the decision: "Anna does not get to be part of this story any longer. From now on, this is an Elsa-only plot. Change everything and cut out the spare." Because goddamn them.
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My sister and I figured out how to fix Kristoff after looking at the recent thread that discussed the problem with him.He should have been a troll-wrangler. The people of Arendelle could have gone to the trolls to stay while the city is indisposed. Kristoff could have stayed with them to make sure they were taken care of and that the trolls minimized their offensiveness. Madcap comedy ensues.They could have helped him with a traditional troll proposal or something else from their culture. Even if he didn't go with their traditions, it would be nice to see him getting romance help from, you know, the LOVE EXPERTS he bragged about so much in the first one.This could have even enabled them to keep "Get This Right" as Kristoff tries to decide what to do while the trolls blurt suggestions at him.Then Kristoff would have something to do in this movie, instead of being abandoned and forgotten.
>>116875811Not a bad idea, user.I really dislike the Trolls but I understand keeping Kristoff in Arendelle means the trolls are going to have a bigger presence in the film.Still, I can see it working fine, and keeping "Get this right" would have been great.
>>116875393Probably when they decided to make Anna queen, because then they had to make up a bunch of magic bullshit to make Elsa leave.Honestly, I think it would have been a better movie if it had just been about discovering the dark secrets of Arendelle, the Northuldra, Runeard's true nature, and Iduna's past. There was no need for Ahtohallan and the Fifth Spirit nonsense on top of that. It should have been about dark family secrets, not weird magical destinies. That way both sisters can be equally important.
>>116873604The books confirm Corona is a distant neighbor of Arendelle, so at least someone HAD powers other than her.
>>116875811You could even use it as a way to increase the urgency in the plot. Start out with wacky troll hijinks but slowly become more and more serious as the movie goes on. These people had their home trashed and lost all their fire and water. People are going to start dying if the sisters take too long.
>>116875738kek
>>116871848>Reign of Niggers titleYou cant make this shit up AJAJAHAAHA
>>116875223In an old version, yes.I think one of the books still has that room.
>>116871848Elsa is perfect
>>116877260Reading isn't your strong suit, I see.
>>116874948Lee claims "Fixer Upper" is foreshadowing. Bitch, you don't drop important shit in songs. Songs are hard enough to understand in the first place.
>>116875811I would rather if Kristoff stayed behind to watch the Arendellians after the Frohana (without Arendelle) go visit the trolls to ask what shit is going down.It was a dumb mistake to bring the trolls down in front of the ordinary citizens. It was sheer desperate retardation to make the trolls babysit the humans. Really? They couldn't get Kai, Gerda, and the rest of the castle staff to fulfill that role?
>>116875934The movie started going down the drain the second they decided to get rid of the secret room and make the adventure kick off with a voice only Elsa can hear.I wonder when “the voice” idea started? It became an obsession the writers never figured out, and the movie and all its characters suffered for it.
Does Anna even love Kristoff? She treats him like a platonic friend, not a romantic partner. They have no chemistry compared to a couple like Rapunzel and Eugene.
>>116878684I don’t want to start another witch hunt, but the earliest I’ve seen the Voice idea is in Jenn’s “Diary of a Snow Queen”...
>>116874639>whoever wrote it in the first placeAll the Broadway musical songs were written by the based Lopezes
>>116878723It's a running joke at this point. She's acted annoyed or angry at him far more than actually liking him. And both their kiss scenes are at the end of the movies, just shoved in to add "romance", so it feels more like checking off a box than a natural event in their relationship.I don't even ship Elsanna, and even I agree that she has far, far more romantic chemistry with her sister.
>>116871848From that article...>Observation of horse behavior led the design and animation of the Nokk, with effects lead David Hutchins observing that particular attention was paid to emotional states.Are real horses this murderous?
>>116878533Yeah, I liked the idea I saw earlier about Kristoff setting up a camp with blankets and food and showing his leadership. Then he would actually have value to Arendelle instead of just being the new Queen's boy toy.>Turns out that taking care of yourself in the wilderness also prepares you for taking care of others. Who knew?
>>116878876>>116878723His "my love is not fragile" line that all the girls gush about just sounded pathetic to me.He might as well have said "please step on me Anna, I'll never leave you, no matter how many times you abandon me in the woods".
Development sketch from Summer 2017...Gale used to look like a cute lil ghost with a face and floppy earsinstagram.com
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>>116879062>>116879079Elsa is way cute in those concept pieces. Why couldn't she show this amount of emotion instead of being a blah?
>>116879110I don't know. I wish they had made her seem like a human with feelings, instead of a walking vanilla ice cream cone that fell down a hole and somehow became even blander.
>>116874376In Once Upon A Time, it was explained that Elsa was the niece of the Ice Queen, and elaborated upon this whole backstory for Elsa, her parents, etc etcIt didn't really explain "why Elsa has powers" but it did flesh out the characters alotAlso, psychopath Hans:youtube.com
>>116875138I wonder if in a previous version of the script the Northuldrean people were raiders, or dark mages. Something to justify this tier of animosity
>>116875393>>116878684It really was a conscious decision to cut Anna out, wasn't it? And after that moment, they just kept cutting, and cutting, and cutting...She literally can't hear her own mother's voice. She's just another character blindly stumbling along after the great and powerful Elsa.
>>116879281OUAT Hans was brutal
Found a review for Dangerous Secrets, but it doesn't really say much, other than a scene has chocolate in it...jsalafiaward.wixsite.com
>>116879578Nice, so they did make that one public. Bless that artist for refusing to shrink Elsa's boobs.Funny caption on the post too, something about climbing Elsa's snowy mountains.
>OFA was intended to be a setup for Frozen 2I don't understand how this is possible? They literally sing a whole song about how being together is the most important thing in their lives...
>>116879547wow, that really is a nothing reviewbut it sounds like there's no hope of POV switching, it's entirely from Iduna's perspective
>>116879610She also made a fanbox-exclusive post about how those marks on Elsa were made...
>>116879366Weren't they shape-shifting shamans at some point? I remember seeing early art of that
>>116878876>>116879019Kristoff is an awful "role model" for boys. No wonder moms allow their boys to want to dress up as Elsa.
>>116879547>chocolate>which wasn't "invented" until 1845 and was incredibly bitter previouslypineapples would have made more sense
>>116879629Which is weird because Lee went out of her way to emphasize that OFA wasn't canon, and by various accounts they were still sifting through drafts back in March 2018.I have to wonder, what actually happened between 2013 and 2017? It seems the entire movie was rushed until the last minute
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>>116872221Funny that individual animators are the ones posting it on their personal accounts, whereas the slickly-produced 4 hour documentary didn't give us that much...
>>116872952He's not always spicy. Sometimes he's Cool Ranch flavored
>>116878533>FrohanaFirst time i read that term.
>>116878766She's being hunted already. That just adds another crime to the list.
>>116878876Sincerely, Anna's relationship with Kristoff still is an extended bounceback from Hans. She just wanted someone to love on the first movie while she needed to reconcile her potentially incestous relationship with Elsa. Hell, even Kristoff is more interesting as a character before the relationship.Eugene and Rapunzel has all the chemistry and they deserved a short showing their wedding. Kristoff and Anna does not
>>116881061I just know that a Frozen wedding would be interrupted somehow, having the ceremony play straight through would be too safe and traditional for the ~subversive~ Frozen
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>>116881243Yes, it would be interrupted when Elsa stands up and declares her objection to her sister’s marriage!
>>116881314Elsa will be invited, but she won’t show up.Unless the wedding is in the forest. Which makes no sense for either Kristoff or Anna, but it caters to the main character.
>>116881314They could easily do this in a platonic way too>Nobody is good enough for my little sister!The “nobody but me” goes unspoken, but that’s the message the internet will take from it
>>116879019I despise a lot that line. It comes almost from nowhere like Elsa's "Deep down I'm not where I'm meant to be". Additionaly, every friend I discussed the movie with, before the pandemic, fawned over that line and uses it as an example how "good" that movie is just for catering them with that sole phrase.
>>116879281Rip Hans.
>>116879062BREH'S....
>>116879226Some people like vanilla.
>>116882009Lee loves platitudes.>My love is not fragile.>I'm here. What do you need?>Her love can hold up the world.>I believe in you Elsa. More than anyone>Connected by love
>>116879629>>116879913Probably there was change of plans as they changed the WDAS chain of command.
>>116879281Damn, I forgot how much I liked all the flashback scenes during the Frozen arc
>>116882132>same shoes as KristoffIs it a Sami style or Northuldra style?
>>116882367Both
So, believe me or not, I had this dream last night (that felt fairly lengthy) of Anna and Elsa clearing out a mess of rocks and rubble, which I can only assume was meant to be Arendelle had it been hit by the wave at the end. Instead of any dialogue between the two of them, played over the scene, over and over, was Anna's "You're not coming home, are you?" and Elsa's "I want to be there when they do" from the deleted ending. And now I'm just depressed.
>>116882773That's sad. I wish I could have Frozen dreams.
>>116874755>super intense resting faceThat's just her face when she's worried about her sister and can't see her.That's her face every day now that Elsa is gone. But Elsa has a big smile on her face because she has HD memory streaming and a pony. That dusty old castle is gone. Elsa come home!
>>116882773You should talk to a therapist about this
>>116881688>>116881700Is it Elsa being shut inside a dark room?
>>116882922What if the therapist agrees that Frozen II sucked?
>>116882773>Elsa's "I want to be there when they do"Who are "They"?
>>116883080In the deleted scene Elsa says "I don't know how the spirits or the forest will need me, but I want to be there when they do"
>>116883214>I have to leave my sister who needs me right now, because some trees and animals might need me in the futureFirst scene I'm glad was deleted
>>116883214Translation:>We have no idea what we're doing but we need to make Anna queen somehow
Who agrees that Elsa and Anna acted like a married couple in Frozen 2?
>>116883245What's worth rescuing from that scene is Elsa showing Anna the memory of Agnarr and Iduna saying how much they love and trust Anna.
>>116883214Is notable she doesn't mention the Northuldra at all. I like that because it would be insulting for them to "need" Elsa in any way. All they really needed was for the mist to disappear and the spirits to stop attacking, and Anna accomplished both of that.
>>116883245>my sister who needs me right nowAnna doesn't need her. She's ready to rule alone.
>>116883297Damn I didn't know it was the same scene. Elsa just has to poison a sweet moment with her nonsense.
>>116883298they're included in "the forest", Elsa sees them as objects like rocks and trees she just rides past on Nokk
>>116883343Did you feel the Elsanna shipper influence during the bedroom scene in Frozen 2?
>>116883376It's more than an "influence" when every single animator, storyboarder, and writer ships it
>>116883319Just ignore the book where she completely shuts down without her sister's help.
>>116883450Am I crazy if I noticed the Elsanna influence? I hope I'm not a sicko.
>>116882996Then you can begin to dig deeper about why this bad movie is affecting your life so much that it's seeping into your dreams
>>116883450How did you come to the conclusion that the creators ship Elsanna?
>>116883536Simple reason: 3D animation is difficult.This one scene took the efforts of dozens of people, working hard for weeks, from many different positions in the company. The result is undeniably romantic. There's no other possibility other than it's intentional. There were a million ways to make it less suggestive, but they did none of them.
>>116882132I think you found the one artstyle that doesn't make her look cute
>>116883615Could you give me an example of what they could have done? You mentioned there were ways to make it less suggestive.
>>116883615Also do you think the creators were pushing the bait hard during the beach reunion scene? I'd say that was when they were at their closest in the movie.
So, will Anna impregnate Elsa or will it be the other way around?
>>116883721Elsa will impregnate Anna by shooting her snow inside of her.
>>116883343The same scene has Anna excited that Arendelle is destroyed, so I would say it is better left on the cutting room floor.
>>116883660>Anna could pay less attention to Elsa>Elsa could sit apart on the other pillow>Anna could not lovingly stroke her nose>Elsa could say "actually I'll sleep somewhere else"There's an infinite number of less romantic possibilities, and they went straight for bedtime cuddles
>>116883721Anna is the man in the relationship...but Elsa has the proven ability to create life. That's a tough question.
>>116883864I always got the impression from that scene that only the castle was destroyed, not all of Arendelle.
>>116883660I don't know where to start. Every single movement in the entire scene brings them closer together.
>>116883615>I know what you needAnna was talking to usBased Anna
>>116883971Do you agree the beach reunion scene near the ending made it look like they're about to kiss.
>>116878684Doesn’t the voice appear in F1, when the fjord freezes? I don’t know when the idea came, but it was a great way to tie them together, in theory. It looks to me like one of those cases where a writer comes up with a great idea, and compromises the story to make it work.
>>116884194Definitely
>>116884009Either way it is pretty fucked up to see a home destroyed and be excited about it moments later.
>>116884223Don't forget Elsa is 24 and Anna is 21. Too old to be that comfortable with being so close.
>>116884223Has anyone ever done this with their sister in real life?Please tell us your experiences.
>>116884223Their lips are two inches from each other too, I measured it.
>>116884280
>Let Elsa be evil
>>116872268So when will Elsa rein the niggers?
>>116884593There's a reason they only showed us Elsa immediately after the movie. The ice corruption hadn't taken over her body yet...
>>116884390Kek
>>116879629The no traditions thing could have been a hint, but that’s all I can see.
>>116884390
>>116884280What, do you want me to say “yes, I have, and in that moment, I suddenly doubted my heterosexuality as I took in every detail of her beautiful face and breathed in her sweet perfume as I rubbed little circles on her warm, clasped hands in mine”?
>>116884784I'm pretty sure thats exactly what he wants you to say. go on
I can't decide if we have an Elsanna turbo autist, or someone doing a parody of an Elsanna turbo autist.
>>116883214I actually wish they kept that. It admits that Elsa doesn’t have a full time job or even understand the need to be there. That way they don’t have to make something up to fill her time, and they can back out of it easily. She could decide she’s not urgently needed, or her being there and ready could initiate the next adventure. It would validate the separation, and allow her to return home, because she feels that her duties have been fulfilled for a while.
>Not gazing into your sister eyes longingly every day.
>>116885034I think I'd like it too.I much prefer an unsure Elsa who expresses a desire to learn her new role. All she knows is that the forest will teach her.Instead, what we got is a smugly superior Elsa who exudes this weird, unearned confidence, like she knows exactly what she's meant to do now, but she's not telling her dumb sister (or us).
>>116885034>It would validate the separationIt would also acknowledge it, instead of just WHAM! Queen Anna. WHAM! Elsa actually took the advice of some native girl she just met and moved into the forest for some reason. WHAM! The end, now go home.
>>116885122Yeah. I didn’t grasp just how permanent the separation was until hours after the movie ended. Even as Honey said “you belong here” I just thought “oh, that’s nice, I agree she should visit the forest sometimes”. When Anna left alone, I was sure Elsa would follow. Then the statue scene happened and my heart started sinking when I saw Elsa wasn’t there. I decided I must have missed something and rewatched the movie repeatedly in search of an explanation, but didn’t find one...I’ve been waiting for “game night this Friday” ever since.
>>116884280It wasn’t great. My hair stuck to her sweaty forehead.
Brand new art from Vago. I love this girl.
>>116885076If you don’t know the exact color of your sister’s eyes, you don’t really love her
>>116885314Wow, that really is brand new, I love it
>>116883615I would say it's the idea of narrative incest. I think it's basic to see something explicitly sexual in it. It's supposed to be alluring, even though it isn't really possible.A lot of the pre-release blurbs had this idea of Elsa being a mythic character. I wonder if that means they read a ton of myths where sibling gods were fucking.
>>116885314Cute, but...she had to be commissioned to draw their best outfits?
>>116885314
>>116885407She says she loves it and it was a pleasure to draw.I like OFA, but I'd like it even more if I got paid to draw it.
>>116885430Just another reason to love Elsanna art, you get a free comedy show in the comments too
>>116885430>>116885552Agreed. I get a sick sort of joy out of seeing normie reactions to Elsanna. Instagram reactions are typically the funniest, but its not a major platform for Elsanna art.
>>116885395>. I wonder if that means they read a ton of myths where sibling gods were fucking.I hope!Pic unrelated
>>116885103>but she's not telling her dumb sister (or us)Maybe this is why people relate to Anna so much. We all want answers, and Anna is the one who was denied them.
>>116885320I’m not even sure what color my own eyes are.
>>116886056They’re some kind of green.
>>116884939After a certain point, is there really a difference?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LOLIDUNA IS SO CUTE BREHS
>>116885314Nice
>>116871848>What Agnarr does know is that Iduna is a true ally in the face of his royal responsibilities and the expectations of an overbearing council and a well-meaning regent who will rule in Agnarr’s place until he turns twenty-one and assumes the Arendellian throneWhat “royal responsibilities” and “expectations” does he have, if he’s not actually ruling?
>>116874983glad someone liked this edit enough to repost it
>>116887648The responsibilities of teenage boners and the expectations of getting it on with his new native girlfriend.
>>116887648boring etiquette and history lessons I guess, as he sighs and gazes wistfully out the window, wishing he was with his secret forest gf
>>116887648I'm gonna assume they give princes shit to do, but they don't do the same for princesses.
>>116887759who is this mysterious “they” who can grant or deny power to royalty? sounds like they’re the ones with actual power to me.
>>116887648Why does Agnarr need an ally against a "well-meaning regent"?The "well-meaning" to me implies that the regent is an idiot who runs Arendelle poorly, and Agnarr can do nothing except get closer to being 21, one day at a time.
>>116887992I assume it must be the council and regents the book preview mentions.I always see those positions used in fanfiction, but I don’t think it’s been confirmed until now that Arendelle actually functioned this way.
>>116888042So is this book just going to be Agnarr having white person/first world problems while Iduna fears for her life from being potentially lynched in the town square for being a filthy forest dweller? Because that is fucking hilarious and also I have no desire to ever read that book I like the lesbian sisters and the ice magic and the talking snowmen.
>>116888176That’s what it sounds like.>oh bother, my private tutor didn’t let me have chocolate cake until I finished my lessons today>if anyone founds out I’m Northuldra I will literally be raped and lynched in the middle of townJust your average teen romance!
>>116888176Perhaps they might explore the dread feeling of losing his father and Mattias and being completely alone.
>>116888240Still a better love story than Twilight.
>>116888326>Agnarr lost his family through no fault of his own>Iduna ditched hers on purposetwo sides of a bridge
>>116888176> no desire to ever read that book I like the lesbian sister.The book seemingly covers a time period where the sisters will grow from kids to teens. There could conceivably be some 100% platonic angst and longing. probably not though
>>116888380>The book seemingly covers a time period where the sisters will grow from kids to teens.Then I shall happily read an online summary of the second half/last few chapters of the book.
>>116888380Damn, I need some more angsty teen Elsa. It might inspire a lot of new art, too.
>>116879578>>116879660how good is it?
>>116888380>the book covers both sisters' years of puberty>they have to be given The Talk separately, and get very different ideas
>>116888380>>116888519>"I, treacherous whore bitch Queen Iduna, was on my way to lie to my husband's face again, when I passed by my little pain in the ass daughter Elsa's room. I heard a strange moaning inside, which was especially weird because it sounded like two voices moaning and one of the voices sounded like Anna's, but I knew that was impossible, because no one was allowed in Elsa's room and Anna always does as she's told! So whatever I was hearing, I shrugged it off as I continued on to be a deceitful little harpy to my loving husband. God, I love it when I make my family suffer. Nothing turns me on faster. Maybe I'll ask Agnarr to once again tell me the story of when he watched his father die at the hands of my people. I'll try not to smile so much this time."
>>116888519Tween Elsa suffering pleases me.
>>116888446I can appreciate that I suppose but any Elsanna is gonna be implicit rather than explicit. If you don't read it yourself how can you be sure no subtle innuendo got missed? Its not like some normie reviewer is gonna be like "chapter 17 focuses on Anna finding an old doll her and Elsa used to play with. It's a euphemism for Anna masturbating while thinking of her sister."
>>116888639it’s literally the only explanation left. Iduna just likes seeing people suffer.
>>116888519>It might inspire a lot of new artI want to believe this too, but lengthy novels aren’t the best source of inspiration for a kids movie audience...
>>116888754Actually, I'm sure whatever Frozen thread is currently going on at the time will be discussing and analyzing exactly only that, lol.
>>116888838Indeed. I look forward to it.
>>116888380No one over the age of 12 should have any desire to read that book unless you're autistic like we are.
>>116888558No idea, I'm not a pledgeanon, but this is the preview
>>116888885Oh my maybe?
>>116888879You could agrue that no one over 12 should care about any of this. Yet here we are.
>>116888879It’s just another YA book, literally the same audience as Twilight, and adults read that too when it got popular. Frozen is already popular, so it’s fine to read.
>>116888800Yeah, people are building it up way too much, dense novels don’t invigorate a fanbase. Few people cared when Forest of Shadows and other books came out, and there certainly wasn’t an explosion of fanart. And that was actually a new story!
>>116888573I don't really know where you are going with this user. but I'd be curious to find out
>>116889074> people are building it up way too muchFair. But given the dearth of english content coming out it's either hype this or doom post.. and hyping this makes me want to kill myself slightly less.
>>116889074I don’t care about The Fandom. It’s 352 pages long, sheds light on a previously unknown period of time, and sounds interesting to me personally. I’d buy it even if it sounded lame, just to encourage Disney to give us more novels.
>>116884850Then we hugged and our chests squished together in a delightful way that men will never, ever experience or even imagine.
>>116889184>sheds light on a previously unknown period of timewe sorta knew the actual events, but what I’m most interested in is just what the fuck was running through Iduna’s mind all those years...books do things that shorts can’t, and this one is going deep inside Iduna’s head
>>116889146I’m still holding onto hope that a short will be announced by November
>>116889309Hope never dies
Her majesty.
>>116889213Sounds pretty gay user.
>Holla Forums hates her
>>116890050I like her design and her song a lot, I just think she's a shitty person.I still think she's an interesting character, which is why I'm hyped for the novel.
>>116890050>>116890096I didn't think Evan Rachel Wood was an appropriate voice for her. Don't get me wrong, Evan has a fantastic voice, but I expected Iduna to sound more fragile and brittle considering how much of a pushover she seemed to be in Frozen.I have a similar problem with Molly from Central Park. Nice voice, but it doesn't sound right coming from that character.
>>116890246F2 fully embracing battered housewife Idunna would have been interesting.
"Dangerous Secrets" writer made this for her daughter's birthday>My daughter asked for an Anna and Elsa ice cream cake for her birthday back in June! I’m definitely not a pro cake maker, but I was happy with how it came out! Would you eat the Anna side or the Elsa side first?
>>116890384I love strawberries.Elsa's side just looks like pure sugar.
>>116874595>>116879917Here you go.
>>116890384cute!
>>116890050
>>116890050Unconciously, the writers are making her worse and worse for the sake of keeping their asshole spirits as a "Benevolent" aspect of nature.I'll stick to my idea that Iduna forgot about her life during the enchanted forest the longer she lived outside of the mist. Remembering little bits and bits when she gave birth to Elsa.
>>116890642Germany only got Frozen 2 last month?
>>116890925I'm not sure if this is meant to be angering or uplifting
>>116890579>The Northuldra are so connected to the Enchanted Forest that anyone who leaves it quickly begins to lose their memoriesI can believe it
>>116874595>>116888885The preview contains pretty much the entire text of that pic, so here's a translation of that.I made sure to use the original image, so if you ever get your hands on that, it should be easy to paste the translated portion on top.
>>116891147Nice, thanks for the effort.I was imagining Anna making a lewd “North Mountains” joke but this works too
>>116891067I'd imagine angering, since Anna really wants to hear from her parents again and Elsa is just hogging at least one of them for herself.
Is there any Elsanna moments in the new novel?
>>116891067Definitely the former. The top panel is from a comic where Elsa wants to go home and stop looking for memories of their mother, but Anna refuses to quit because it’s so important to her. Then the bottom panel is Elsa getting a message from their mother all to herself. It’s a clear image of how Frozen 2 delivered the right messages to the wrong people.
>>1168745951/2
>>1168917612/2
>>116891761>>116891772What a bizarrely cute situation
>>116891303No problem.The snowy mountains pun is found in the post itself, and in the fact that Elsa is so excited / embarrassed in the picture that it is snowing. Even her breasts are covered in snow.Here's a translation of the post:>The struggle of Elsa, who feels embarrassed, and Anna, who wants to hear her cute voice.>(First pic) (>>116888885)>Anna is working hard, climbing Elsa's snowy mountains.>Don't be ashamed, Elsa.>(Second pic) (>>116879578)>Anna climbed Elsa's snowy mountains last night.>She's checking on the marks of her ascent and feeling happy about it.
>>116891761>>116891772>yfw you'll never come home to your harem of Anna and two Elsas offering you ice cream
>>116890925Don't worry, Anna. We know you didn't give up. Your sister played a dirty trick and sent you sliding backwards to prevent you from getting your prize. The only thing you did wrong was trusting her. Not only that, but she had an unfair advantage, in the form of a voice that only she could hear, leading her right to it. Those memories were meant to be shared. It wasn't supposed to be a competition. But Elsa made it one. And the game was rigged in her favor from the start.Well, if it's a game Elsa wants, she'll get one. That painful experience wasn't for nothing. You've learned. The next time you uncover a lead to a precious memory...DON'T tell your sister.
>>116891508They have sex.
>>116892063>>116891147Anna coaxing Elsa into not holding back her voice is one of my absolute favourite details
>>116892270
>>116892270I for one was amazed by how explicit it was. The author really went out of their way on it.
>>116892251>The next time you uncover a lead to a precious memory...DON'T tell your sister.The worst part is, this is a completely valid reaction from Anna, but you just know that she'll be portrayed as selfish and wrong to hide anything from Elsa. Even though... you know... that's exactly what Elsa did first.
>>116892364>>116892251We’ve been over this, there’s absolutely no way Anna can ever hold any sort of advantage over Elsa or know a secret of any kind, it’s just not her role in the grand scheme of things The Frozen universe itself is built from the ground up to deliver everything straight to Elsa’s ears only, and Anna will always be a secondary character no matter how hard she tries
>>116892353I thought it was strange that they repeatedly emphasized that both girls were underage, and even stranger that Disney signed off on such a thing, but I guess they know their audience...
>>116892251>>116892364If any talent was allowed to exist among the writing crew, Frozen 3 would involve a mysterious voice calling to Anna claiming to be Iduna/Agnarr/both, which she decides to not inform Elsa about and goes on to find on her own. Of course it turns out to be a villainous force, and when she hears that Anna is now in danger, Elsa realizes it's all her fault for being a shitbag in F2.
>>116891761Is it a... vanilla ice cream sandwich?Does such a thing exist?
>>116892499It would be panned as a recycled plotline but I would love seeing it, if only for Anna to get some small amount of justice.
>>116874595
>>116892499>Elsa races to rescue her.>It turns out Anna rescued herself.>She asks what Anna was looking for.>Anna freely shares what she found, proving once and for all that she’s the better sister.I would die happy.
>>116874595.
>>116892499>Anna is punished for daring to attempt the same things as her perfect, blessed sisterNo. Just because Elsa realizes it's her fault doesn't make this acceptable. That just gives her the opening to meddle even more and teach Anna her place.
>>116892251Great pic for that "spirits must die" idea from earlierAnna is all done crying...it's time for revenge
>>116892485I mean this is the same novel that actually canonized Lolidunna user, so who knows what they are doing.
>>116892567You're giving me mini nostalgia attacks with these>>116892649>seconds before sisterly grooming time
>>116892353Yea I thought the ice hooks scene was a bit much, but after everything else they did I was impressed they still had ideas left.
>>116892458>it’s just not her role in the grand scheme of things>Anna will always be a secondary character no matter how hard she triesSounds like she needs to seize her destiny like a certain someone...
>>116892458>Anna will always be a secondary characterIt's ironic that becoming queen only made this even more true. Anna should have gotten something of her own instead of settling for her sister's leftovers.
>>116874595That's gonna do it for tonight.If you happened to notice a lengthy one posted by @ctrlN171126 today, it's on my radar, I just don't have time to do it today.
>>116892556>It would be panned as a recycled plotlineNah, I can see the big reveal that it's actually a bad guy happening at least halfway through, if not sooner, so it wouldn't take up the whole movie. Or maybe it's not a reveal at all and the audience is made aware Anna is walking into a trap.>>116892599>"Anna, what happened...?">"Not really sure. He lured me in to use me as bait to get to you.">Elsa immediately feels like shit. "Are you alright?">"Oh, yeah. As you can see, I beat him unconscious.">"Anna, I--">"Thanks for showing up when you did though, really. I'm sure it was difficult to get away from all your horse riding.">>116892725I think you're looking at this the wrong way, user. This story would make Elsa feel like shit while at the same time giving Anna a chance to shine and prove she can handle herself without big sis coming in and icing everything.
>>116893084Thanks, anonGreat job as alwaysI'm happy we're finally getting some of this stuff translated after 7 years
>>116893084Good stuff user. Thanks for brightening up a sleepy Wednesday.
>>116893204>giving Anna a chance to shine and prove she can handle herself without big sis coming in and icing everythingOh, I thought the implication was that's exactly what happens after Elsa learns Anna is in danger. If there's no magical rescue, then I'm on board.
>>116892820what's this from?
>>116893324I mean, I guess you could do that, depending on what moral you want to tell at the end. But it's not what I meant, no.
>>116893324>>116893204Just have Elsa rescue someone else so she can have her saviour complex jerkoff session, while Anna succeeds on her own elsewhere.Hell, have Elsa save Kristoff so they can have a interaction longer than 2 seconds for once.
>>116893267>>116893302You're welcome.There's a ton of stuff on that Pixiv page user found, so I'll try gradually go through all of it. I hope I don't accidentally tackle any pics that already have a translation.
>>116893398What would Elsa and Kristoff even talk about? The only thing they have in common is Anna.Hey, maybe since Kristoff got turned into a 2D stereotype, Elsa can become the "nosy in-law" who constantly pesters him for news about Anna.
>>116893398Maybe have Anna and Kristoff split up at some point, but not before Anna has a cliched "calling someone the wrong name due to prior stress" moment.>Kristoff: "Anna, honey, this is starting to get pretty dangerous. Maybe we should think about heading back to--">Anna: "NO! I am DOING this. You are NOT going to stop me this time, Elsa!">Kristoff: "...">Anna: "...Kristoff. I'm sorry. I just... I have to see this through, alright? Please."
>>116892599>>116893204Sad plot twist: Anna rescued herself because she thought using her as bait wouldn't work, and Elsa wouldn't come.>She missed my coronation, she missed the statue unveiling for my parents, and she even missed my wedding. Why would this be any different?
>>116893564>What would Elsa and Kristoff even talk about?I still can't wrap my head around the fact that Disney hasn't made them 'ice buddies' in some fashion. "Ice is my life!" Kristoff declared once. You'd think he and Elsa could have long conversations about ice like two art critics studying the Mona Lisa or something. I can easily see them nerding out over ice and meanwhile Anna's just standing there being the third wheel, trying to join in but just not getting it.
>>116890461Thanks the text is surprisingly relevant in this Frozen 2 age
>>116893636>Haha, that's quite the slip of the tongue. Do I look that much like Elsa?>No! God, no. For one, she's much softer. She smells nicer too. And she gives the best hugs. Er...the second best after you, of course...
>>116892458I can see Anna not hiding it but assuming it was not important enough for Elsa to know, since she just ditches the letters Anna sends.
>>116893707Don't mention it, m8.Good old suffering and angst are always welcomed.
>>116893347Tangled: the series
>>116888738Not sure if this is the proper age
>>116893718The sad thing is, after Frozen II I can see Kristoff completely missing the seriousness of the situation and say some dumb shit like this in response to Anna's outburst.
>>116893478I think after a certain amount of years, you have to accept that you may accidentally step on a few toesThat being said, we've done remarkably well of avoiding that so far, as far as I'm aware, so good job
>>116892820That's actually a great comparison.And Loliduna can be the ghost egging her on.
>Father...are you proud of me?
>>116894535That's a very good use of multiple pics.
>>116894164In Frozen 3 Kristoff will regress even further and just make happy or sad grunting noises in response to Anna
>>116892783 Is this really true?
Can someone post the Elsanna scenes from the new Frozen novel?
>>116894645You would have to ask the author for an advance copy
>>116894645Jesus Christ, dude, it isn't even out yet. At least troll about Elsanna material that exists.
>>116894014I can't believe this manga is still going
>>116894535Wait a minute, why didn't they include this for real? Anna's whole thing is talking to paintings! It would have been a sweet moment.
>>116894719When does it come out?
>>116894766You fool, that was Frozen 1 Anna! This is Frozen II Anna, whose personality is [REDACTED] and [UNKNOWN]!
>>116894766Because that painting is inside the castle that was planned to be destroyed.They went back and added new scenes for Elsa after the ending was changed, but not for Anna.
>>116894788November 3...just 82 short days away!
>>116894859>they ran out of time to add scenes memelol they fucking added the first scene of baby Anna and Elsa playing after the June 2019 screening. They had time, they just suck at it.
Wait, so if Arendelle fucking hates the Northuldra and they're all racist and shit to them and things are so bad for them in Arendelle that Iduna has to lie about who she is for almost her entire life, then why the fuck is Agnarr telling Elsa and Anna a bedtime story about the Northuldra with fondness like he's talking about an old friend?
>>116895260Agnarr says the Northuldra took advantage of the spirits' gifts. He was not fond of them.
>>116895260That’s a good question. Maybe 34 years without even seeing a Northuldra has cooled the anger towards them.Although “the day my dad died” is still a strange choice of bedtime story.
>>116895334“Took advantage” is a very revealing phrase that shows his thinking. And he said it to his magical daughter’s face. Pretty rude.>>116895338>implying old people become less racist over timeArendelle is populated mostly by hateful boomers now, Queen Anna will have her hands full.
>>116895334"Took advantage of" means nothing to a five year old. If Agnarr wanted to get across to the girls that the Northuldra were bad people, he did an awful job of it.>unrelated light bulbWhat the fuck, why don't Elsa and Anna react in any way shape or form when they meet the Northuldra? There's no "They're the people father told us about!" or "These are the people that killed our grandfather!" or anything. The way they encounter the Northuldra and the Arendellian soldiers, they may as well be reacting to this information as if it's brand new to them. There's no "our mother belonged to the people that attacked the King of Arendelle," just "our mother belonged to these people we just met.">adds another reason to the list of reasons to hate Frozen II
What would your reaction be to Iduna, Anna and Elsa having a lesbian incest threesome as adults?
>>116895459I’ve thought of that before too. They should side immediately with the Arendellian soldiers, and the second Yelena says “we are called the Northuldra”, Elsa should have sent ice spikes through all their hearts simultaneously.
>>116895459Because you know why
>>116895486I strongly support the idea.
>>116895538Can someone post that please? I find it HOT.
>>116895486Does Iduna turn into a loli?
>>116895459Yeah but he says it right in front of Iduna who has yet to divulge that she's secretly Northuldran.
>>116895459Nobody’s reactions in the forest makes any sense. Everyone begins exhibiting strange symptoms as soon as they step inside, like speaking in a flat affect, delivering exposition unprompted, and memory loss. Everyone seems oddly vacant and just stumbles around, only dimly aware of who they’re talking to. The people trapped inside show the worst symptoms, but the newcomers quickly fall victim to it as well. I think it’s some plant or fungus that makes everyone act this way.
>>116895486there's already a fic for that
>>116895664>The people trapped inside show the worst symptoms, but the newcomers quickly fall victim to it as wellI’d say it’s the exact opposite, since Yelena and Mattias instantly recognize each other, but Elsa, Anna and Kristoff act totally off as soon as they’re in the forest, like the example of not worrying about the Northuldra. Maybe the trapped people have gained an immunity to whatever is in the air.
>>116895676What is it called?
>>116895722kek
>>116895644Why couldn't Iduna inform Elsa at age fifteen and Anna at 12 about their heritage? By then they should understand the gravity of their ancestry and protect the secret.
>>116895338>Iduna lived in fear until the day she died>the anger died down yet she still didn’t tellThey can’t have it both ways
>>116895783It's not really about their ancestry, it's that Iduna knows Elsa's powers have something to do with the Northuldra.
>>116895878Well, she /theorized/ it. We still don't know why Elsa has ice powers. All we know Elsa was born to be the fifth spirit. We have no confirmation that being the fifth spirit comes with ice powers.
>>116895783>>116895878>>116895913It wasn't even about giving anyone concrete answers, it was about simply talking to Elsa and letting her know that magic (and thus herself) isn't inherently evil and nothing to be scared of because she (Iduna) grew up with magic and it's fucking awesome and all she (Elsa) has to do is simply not shoot magic aimed at Anna's face.
Can someone post a few ways Anna could lose all her clothes and have to go naked please?
>>116896184Elsa magics away Anna's outfit.
>>116896209Couldn't she lose them by her accidentally burning them off?
>>116896184Getting her loose fabrics caught on frozen jagged ice?
EVERYONE list tons of ways Anna could accidentally lose ALL of her clothes and would have to go nude.
>>116896184Oh, wow. How've you been, man? Haven't heard from you in months.
Surprisingly Iduna seems worse in the deleted secret room sceneyoutube.com
>>116896238Maybe, but that seems like it would hurt.
>>116896352Can't Anna fall into mud or water and have to remove them? List more please its my clothing loss fetish.
>>1168963521. She falls into water.2. She falls into mud.3. She gets caught on a branch.
>>116875484inb4archived
>>116896184Elsa transforms Anna's clothes into ice like she did in "Let it Go". Anna can't maintain the body temperature to retain the clothes so they melt. Fin
>>116896279Are you gonna do anything useful with that? Like a fic or a drawing? Because I ain't wasting my time if you don't.
>>116896433he ain't gonna do shitfuck him
>>1168963954. she shrinks and suffocated to death by fabric5. she gets turned into a giantess and bursts out of her clothes
>>116896433Gonna make a fanfiction
>>116896500Nah, I don't believe you, buddy.Fuck off.
>>116896530Now now, be nice.
>>116872786I mean, check out this shit:>>116872142That looks hard as hell to pull off because you have to not only simulate the wave but also have the ice breaking apart and Elsa running on top of it. Too much shit to worry about to leave it all to fate. Rigging the wave seems like a smart solution and, since no one noticed it, it means they did a damn good job.
>>116896077>grew up with magicNow that you mention it, it's kind of hypocritical for Iduna to have played with magic as a child yet forbid her own children from doing so. Would it be so difficult to explain to them how to do it safely?
>>116893084what did they mean by this?
>>116894398smugsa
>>116895334Runeard was based, Agnarr was based, and I think Anna will be based too.Elsa is the hippie one who wanted to turn Arendelle in a multicultural lgbt paradise but these times are over.
>>116896986They're saying they're sorry their English isn't good enough to offer a translated version of the comic.That's a very funny auto-translation, though, kek.