Hazbin Hotel, what are we thinking Holla Forums?What kind of plot lines would you like to see from the first season?

Hazbin Hotel, what are we thinking Holla Forums?What kind of plot lines would you like to see from the first season?

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>>116853963>Hazbin HotelPathetic

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>>116853963

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>>116853963Charlie dies around the ending

Every episode is gonna be the gay spider do gay spider shit and be unfunny, and then the fucking haztards are gonna make so much fucking porn of the gay spider

>>116854093Based

>>116854071Heh.

Ok, first of all...Why and how is Charlie so good?How did she get that mentality in hell? She was born in hell, isn't she supposed to be the most evil creature then?

What kind of porn do you think Angel has done? My bet is literally everything on DA.

>>116854175Bestiality. He fucks hellhounds.

>>116854168She's part angel

>>116853963Jesus appears to visit Judas but ends up being friends with Charlie.

>>116854322Judas is in heaven

>>116854298This. Also you do have 'good' natured demons too. Millie and Moxxie are at least sensible and seem to enjoy peace as well as violence.

>>116853963I want each season to be about redeeming one character. I want the episodes to be episodic enough that you aren't forced to watch them in order, but still have an overarching story with a beginning, middle, and end. The second season of Wander Over Yonder did that really well.

>>116854322I could see it work; He offers to help by redeeming her himself and giving demon kind hope for salvation, but she rejects the offer since she wants to prove it can be done through hard work and a strong will.

>>116854183I want to see him call someone daddy for multiple kink-related reasons.

>>116854375Charlie and the imps are born in hell, they haven't been sent here for sinning. They're still dangerous, but it's not like they actually did anything to end up there.

>>116854497Well you do have the dyke lady who wants to help Charlie

>>116854071>Totally Spies! in HellI can get behind this. And jerk off to this.

>>116854338Silence, Gnostic

>>116854508You can be a sinner without being a monster. She probably got sent here because she's a dyke, or if she didnt retcon her backstory because she was force dinto prostitution before being murdered. No wonder she want to see people be redeemed if they're damned for something they couldn't help.

People seem to talk about lore that doesn't happen in the pilot, where are they getting this info?

>>116853963I just want it to be okay. If it's amazing contrarians will never stop seething and shitting on it. If it's garbage people will beat that dead horse for the next fucking year, minimum. I just want it to be an okay show that can be casually enjoyed and then moved on from. Anything else will burn Holla Forums down in the collateral damage.

>>116854549Livestreams, Addict music video, Helluva Boss, official comic, official character instagrams, there's a lot of supplementary material for this series so far.

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I want it to be a struggle, but then they make progress. Alistair keeps screwing things up and around the end of the season Charlie tries to fire him, only for him to say she can't because she said he can help for "as long as you want", and he still wants to work at the hotel.And I want Sir Pentious to actually try being a father figure to Angel Dust. I can see gayspider making terrible pitcher/catcher jokes when he's invited to play baseball or some shit.

>>116854589That really is a problem with this show. It so much info you have to go else where to get

>>116854542is this going to be about sin or is it just going to be about people being dicks

>>116854589How long is the comic?

>>116853963I can't wait for the inevitable "Angel's sad backstory" episode.>>116853963I want a crossover with Helluva Boss, but I want it to mean something. So maybe not this season.

>>116854635Just checked, only 22 pages. Nice little short read. Also, it's neither here nor there, but the artist for it has drawn porn of the characters before.

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>>116854688wherepost iti wanna see

>>116854701The comic or the porn?

>>116854670>"Angel's sad backstory" episode.We already have that.

>>116854716Really? Oh, well that's one standard plot done with

>>116854633I really hope it's about the sins, and that they outright show it. Actually disgusting people and not just [misunderstood social reject backstory]

>>116854688Vag just break up with her please

>>116854715the porn, obviously!

>>116854742Here you go. Her Angelhusk pics are cute.umbreeunix.newgrounds.com/

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>>116854738True I mean you can be evil and and have symmetric traits.but look at angel the music video kind of confirms that he's a victim take into account that he's the only likable character in the show its kind of disappointing

>>116853963Probably with the end where the main character realises that the system of hell is stacked against her so she decides to change it from the inside make he'll a better place

>>116854739Vaggie takes out her anger on Charlie in the bedroom, it works out somehow.

>>116854780thanks user! theres so little angelhusk though, thats disappointing. alas

>>116854715What about the comic?

>>116854869Lots of whip and chains, there got to be a lot of anger there

So what kind of lore/worldbuilding do you guys wanna see in Season 1?

>>116855037Talk about God

>>116855037what happens to redeemed demons, is there a way to get into heaven?

>>116855052I think this and how heaven/the angels work needs to be expanded on, like how strong is an angel? are they about a demon level or could one of them squash say Alastor without to much trouble?

>>116854920On the website, here.hazbinhotel.com/comic/page-01

>>116855256Maybe it’s not a matter of how strong they are but how many are sent, like the big G just keeps sending more and more down throughout the purge until enough demons are dead

>>116853963Don't know. I only like Charlie so if the show is 90% focused around Charlie and 10% the other characters i'll like it.

where do dead demons go?

>>116854609>I want Sir Pentious to actually try being a father figure to Angel DustThis would be based. Bonus points if Angel actually ends up unironically caring about him in his own tsundere way.>>116855037I want to know if people canonically do go to hell for being gay or not in this universe and how Vivzie will consolidate that if it is true or just shitposting.

>>116853963>CoOl BeAnS

I want way more Demon Charlie, especially like this.

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I hope this gets cancelled causing viv to have a meltdown

>>116858156i hope this goes on to be wildly successful causing (You) to have a meltdown

I liked the other pilot better

one of the exterminators fails to go back to heaven and is now trapped on hellhe gets himself a disguise and ends up on the hotel

>>116858604seethe harder vivzie

Yo vivziepop send me some nudes in the DMs

>>116853963I think that Alastor should hypnotize Charlie and make her his sex slave for eternity.

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>>116859071>All this lust for Alastor>Vivzie makes him asexualWhat did she mean by this

>>116860352either way it's based it's either a >viv saying she thinks asexuals are full of shit or>viv blueballing women

>>116859071>Kaa/CharlieWin.

>>116858980I bet viv doesn't shave her bush

>>116860352>Fanbase is full of fujo's and shippers>Cuck them>Asexuals go to hell tooViv is based and redpilled.

>>116854168Not everyone in Hell is evil. Charlie is a good person, and in Helluva Boss, Moxie and Millie are capable of a genuine relationship. It's because none of these people are sinners.The sinners, the humans who were damned for their own lack of love, are the evil ones who have to endure endless suffering. That suffering isn't being tormented by demons, but being themselves, their own vile selves, for an eternity, in a city where no one is willing to do anything kind for anyone. Most of the pain in Hazbin's Hell is simply due to the viciousness the sinners show one another.

>>116860505>Moxie and Millie are capable of a genuine relationship.they also murder people user

>>116860460hopefully she doesn't

>>116860527Yes, they're bad people, but they're not incapable of love like the sinners are. The sinners' eternal punishment is Hazbin is simply to be loveless people surrounded by loveless people.

>>116860565i want to believe SOME sinners are capable of love

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>>116853963I expect none of the episodes to be about the show's premise. It's just going to be Charlie being a cute dorky insecure waifu with the dyke and the homo trying to out-witty banter each other.

>>116860621I don't think a sinner would be incapable of love, but I don't think it's possible for a sinner to actually have a loving relationship with another sinner. That would seem to defeat the point of them being in Hell, which is traditionally understood as a vacuum of God's love, and therefore all other kinds of love.I do believe that Vaggie and Charlie have something serious, because Charlie isn't a loveless person like the rest of them. But throughout Hazbin's first episode, there are moments where characters have the ability to express love and then don't (for example, when Angel is about to comfort Charlie in the hotel and then chooses not to). That's another part of the eternal suffering; all of them want love, obviously, but all of them are too emotionally guarded behind their selfishness and arrogance to show it.In my opinion, even someone like Alastor must be suffering immensely. Otherwise, it really wouldn't be Hell.

>>116860719I'll be honest, user - I don't think Vivzie has thought about it as deeply as you have. I'm sure if at any point she wants two sinners to genuinely love each other and be happy she'll make it happen.

>>116860558this full bush is the chad choice shaved is for pedos

>>116860758I agree. If the sinners turn out to be a bunch of UwU sadboys who deserved better and God is a big homophobic sadist and Christianity = bad, then I'll be very disappointed. But I think there are the seeds for something a lot more interesting there.

>>116855037Why Alastor doesn't like to be in photos

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If there was no queer shit in this nobody would watch or pay any attention to it. Globohomo cult bullshit.

>>116861289straightfags pls go

>>116854093>more porn of best spoodercool. I don't give a fuck about anything else.

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>>116853963See? I cant see shit with all the gradients and patterns

>>116854780>>116860621Man, I really hope Husk escapes from what seems to be his current fan-designation as shipping fodder with the degenerate who made a pass at him as he does with everyone else.

>>116861447gay men all want straight cock

>>116862151>fan-designationit's all canon, baby

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>>116853963Anyone taking charlie requests?

>>116853963I'd be more surprised if their color palette when to any color other than red.

>>116862151The official content and staff bestowed information outside of the pilot we have seems to pander to the fans quite a bit. Plus there's the fact that Husk was designated as the token pansexual of the hotel - whereas Angel is a full-blown faggot. It's only natural it'd develop a fanbase, especially in a fandom chock-full of shippers. We'll just have to see where the actual series takes his character I guess.

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>>116862259>>116862326Well fuck.

>>116858955Nah man you’re just a sad person.

>>116854175>Everything on DAIndeed, he even have his Sonic version

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are there any bl*ck people in hazbin hotel?

>>116862730Alastor is supposedly "mixed", with what is anyone's guess

>>116862743He is creole.

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>>116862766Well, there you have it then. I hope Angel bombards him with racially insensitive sexual passes.

>>116862766>literally would have never guessed that if the show didnt tell me

>>116862824because the ethnicity of one character when he was alive would have come up during a 30 minute pilot?what is it with this trend of people getting mad at information not explicitly given in the show like they think it's NEVER going to come up in future episodes?

>>116862851Calm down sperg, the man just said he wouldn't have guessed, you're making a whole lot of assumptions there

>>116859071Something tells me that if he ever goes to the villain route, that just might be what Alastor will do. "Marrying" into Charlie's family via rape and impregnation might be a goal of his just for the higher status.

>>116854071This isn't Totally Spies, bub

>>116860352She was very clear in her distaste to "Lets ship Charlie with Alastor" fanbase that basically kickstarted her show

>>116862458cope

>>116863213dilate

>>116862215Straight guys have this aura to them.

>>116860352>>116860410I see it as Viv using progressive alphabet lingo to preemptively discourage rabid shippers from getting funny ideas about Alastor and Charlie that she doesn't intend to fulfill. In comparison, I don't believe Steven Moffat has ever explicitly remarked on Sherlock's asexuality, and that got shippers super mad at him for never having Sherlock bang Watson.

youtube.com/watch?v=ikrIjW1FGUQYou know I think that Demon whose a Jinmen expy might look pretty cool.

>>116854071god I wish

>>116863041Source on her disliking Charlie and Alastor together?

>>116854071>Fat CharlieWinning.

>>116855037How exactly Hell affects people over time.It was said that the longer a sinner lives there, the more they change. Does this affect their durability or how much damage they can take before dying?Like, if a demon spends a decade there, would he survive a gunshot to the head?

>>116862989Did Totally Spies have all the fetish material in the first episode? Patience, dear user

>>116863223transphobia? I'm telling twitter about this viv

>>116854780>Here you go. Her Angelhusk pics are cute.so thats why the instagram hints heavily at them being a thing.Honestly, if thats not the plan, I wish Vivzie could reel them in.

>>116864402Don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere that Vivzie said something about giving Angel a boyfriend in future episodes. Could very well be the plan.

>>116853963I've said this before but I want the show to have really nasty disgusting characters who the staff have to work to redeem. Its cheap fucking shit to make it about killers, prostitutes, and thieves, but its hard and ballsy to deal with rapists, pedophiles, and genocidal dictators. Other cartoons have fucked up by redeeming evil villains, but since its the whole premise of this show (and the characters are in hell), it can work here. If they admit how fucked up it is to try and help this sort of scum but do it anyway because of the protagonist's dream, then regardless of any other mistake they make, it will be a show very much worth watching. Its tumblr fanbase might even be disgusted at the idea of sympathizing with characters responsible for horrendous stuff, but it's on them for thinking a show about hell would shy away from those aspects. But if the show is just about Charlie helping Angel, then it's going to be wasted potential. I don't care about the lore of hell or messages about dreams, I just want episodic adventures that have unique morally challenging storylines played for laughs and dramatically. I'm probably reading too much into it, but they are making the sexual abuser semi-sympathetic on social media and A24 picked it up, so maybe there's a chance they want to do this?

>>116864561I'm hoping we get more Vaggie/Angel scenes.

>>116853963What a charming little show.

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>>116859071>kaayou don't belong in the hypnofetish communityi say this as one who has commissioned multiple hazbin hypno pics

>>116864622They could have a fun friendship, for sure. I don't think Vaggie actually hates men as much as she lets on, it's just the angry dyke in her speaking most of the time.

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What happens when they die in hell? Do they respawn?

>Enamelpins HotelIt was Hot Topic merchandising from the very beginning.

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>>116865171yes unless they get killed by a purged angel, then they actually dieyou'll note that despite the information of this information, it is only explained in Q&A livestreams, and not in the show itself

>>116860352He's partly based on Andy Warhol she said

>>116862961He's being set up to try and usurp the throne of hell but he'll end up being the bad guy turned "good"

>>116865224How is there a territory war if none of them actually die then? Also wouldn't they want to be killed by an angel because that would be better than living in hell?

>>116853963>What kind of plot lines would you like to see from the first season?Dante guest appearance

>>116865395>How is there a territory war if none of them actually die then?no idea>Also wouldn't they want to be killed by an angel because that would be better than living in hell?most people living in dreadful situations don't kill themselves

Alastor 's powers include making women' s clothing disappear. He enjoys ripping their clothes apart with his magic as they blush & try to cover themselves up & start yelling, while he's getting a hard on from seeing their privates.He also has the ability to expand women's body parts and make them giant. He also has the power to see through walls, which is perfect for peeking at Charlie I lor Vaggie changing or taking a bath. He also enjoys hypnotizing ladies into making them believe that there is nothing wrong with undressing in front of a man. He often tries to encourage his female friends to undress in front of him & he ends up staring like the shameless & disgusting pervert he is. During his radio shows he only talks about like tits & ass. It's pretty obvious that he is horny whenever he passes by anyone of the female gender & whenever he sees a lady, the very first thing he wants to do is to jump on her and have sex.He's had many instances where he tried peeking on women bathing and he got the living shit beaten out of him. His lust has taken over his mind.He even enjoys stopping so low as to how sniffling women's used panties and groping them on trains.

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Vaggie's manhating persona is only funny because no man takes her serious. If they were actually afraid of her, the joke would have been ruined.

>>116865655I'd reprimand you for defiling Alastor's character, but I can't deny those digits.

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I feel several new animators, writers and voice actors will be working on the rest of the series. The ones who worked on the pilot were freelancers.

>>116853963A jason vorhees knock off enters the hotel and they try and fail to communicate with him as he butchers angel and the wolf guy

>>116856643Angel Dust is in danger and gets rescued by Sir Pentious, who is injured in the process. He laughs at the guy for being such a sucker and leaves him, feels guilty about it. Then he either won't admit or doesn't recognize that it's guilt. Charlie tells him making it right is a step toward redemption, and then we see Angel Dust helping Sir Pentious while he recovers. Noticeably, he swears less around his new dad and all those eggs are happier and throwing a party. It's a cute, sweet scene.Pan up to heaven, where someone looks at a slight dip in some kind of sin graph and crushes it in anger.

>>116865337Probably, but I hope he's like a judge holden character (which means a bad end for charlie via rape).

>>116854071change 200 to 2,000 and i'm in

>>116862766>>116862800Creole has a lot of meanings. He could very well be of French/Spanish descent, Acadian/Native, and so on and so forth.

>>116861090Dude's an audio based demon, not a visual one. Video killed the radio star.

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>>116867626He's from New Orleans, he died in the Jim Crow era and was killed in an incident with dogs which were used by police in the era. He's probably meant to be half-black.

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>>116867727>Meme deep lore is correct and Vox killed/ caused Alister's death in the mortal world

>>116867399Where are they gonna go if he kills them, Detroit?

>>116853963I feel like I'm missing something about what makes this project especially cool beyond some of the character designs and "animation aimed at an older audience".

I demand a "Charlie gets fat" episode.

>>116867980That would be a rather peculiar move to have an alpha dog of evil in Hell be a fatal victim of Jim Crow. Unless this to play into an overarching plot of redeeming the Big Evil that Viv would have a harder time justifying if he was simply along the lines of a universally-abhorrent serial killer in life.In any case, I'm really not looking forward to this show breaking from comedy to instead delve into drama as Addict suggests.

I just want more of Alastor and/or Cherri.

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>>116868832I think it'll be a healthy mix of drama and comedy, the pilot episode touched on Charlie's insecurities after all.

>>116869128Yeah, the show's always been framed with some sads in it alongside everything else, Addict was just overtly leaning into some of the sad more.

>>116862961>>116867504Hot

I would genuinely like to know if Alastor is going to be an antagonist or not. I mean he's up to something, obviously, but I'd like some more hints as to what.

>>116863756Demons can "die", but they just respawn, The only way to actually kill them is the weapons to angels use. As such, after purges sometimes the angels leave weapons behind and there's a black market for them.

>>116869257He'll end up protecting Charlie from other villains, as they ruin his fun.

>>116868832Alastor wasn't a victim of Jim Crow. He was a serial killer and cannibal when he was alive. He probably got lynched for that.

>>116853963>What kind of plot lines would you like to see from the first season?I just want to see Vaggie continually get cucked by pretty boys who are all after Charlie's princess pussy.

>being a drug addict, gay, or porn star is enough to send you to hellcreator is a bigot desu

>>116869357ok retard

>>116869357I know you're just really poorly doing this, but it's already been established that it's hell under an unjust god as it tends to be, there's a mix of total shitbags and people ultimately victims.

>>116868697Characters have personality and the animation has a certain charm I guess. Fans might be going a bit overboard

>>116869357I suspect Angel was a closet homosexual who beat women to death and was a mafia hitman who loathed prostitutes. His punishment was to be turned into a blatantly gay prostitute who gets raped regularly.

Why doesn't Lucifer have any purple in his design despite being the demon of pride?

>>116868782The third circle of hell is gluttony so maybe. Also means that its partially based on Dante's hell

>>116868697>beyond some of the character designs and "animation aimed at an older audience"That and the setting are all it really took for me.

>>116869449Apple motif I guess.

>>116869257People like him too much so I doubt he will be the main bad guy. He will probably be the Vegeta of the universe

>>116869394Well excuse me for not following every single stream or small bit of info that gets released

>>116869478I just assume he's getting close to Charlie to usurp Lucifer.

>>116869456>Charlie visits>Is almost totally corrupted>Vaggie manages to pull her out>We're all happy

>>116869522Yeah but maybe he will have a change of heart or something I dunno. He seems like hes being set up to actually have the hotel's purpose work on him like Angel. Who knows

>>116869478Seconded.

>>116869330Or maybe he tried to go after someone who ran into a junkyard and got mauled by pitbulls

Is it going to show the human versions of the characters in flashbacks or something?

>>116869546He will never change. He'll just decide to keep the show going for fun.

>>116869600I predict Angel will look like a pretty boy Italian mobster in a suspiciously gorgeous suit.

>>116869600God I hope not.

Lucifer episodes ideas :>Lucifer discovers Earth food for the very first time and he starts getting very addicted to it, putting on 200 pounds in the process>Lucifer accidentally puts his mouth in a gas pump, fills up with air and starts floating above Hell like a giant balloon>scene where Lucifer is wiggling his toes to the screen>Lucifer drinks a magic potion that trust him into a giant version of himself, in order to destroy Charlie's hotel>Lucifer is going through a bad phase, where he has continously eat other demons in order for him to be happy>Lucifer gets mind controlled by Angel Dust to have sex with him>Lucifer crossdresses as Charlie in order to flirt with Sir PentiousDid I miss anything?

>>116869661I feel like its inevitable. I just hope they dont botch the character designs and dont devote entire episodes to it

>>116869661I do want to see human Angel, so I can cry for him as he's consumed with self-loathing but rejects redemption.

>>116862766What did they mean by this?

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>>116869695I doubt Lucifer will actually be in the show. She already alluded to the Gnostic idea of the "unknowable hidden" father.

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>>116869600It'd be pretty neat, though if they do I'd hope it's done with ideas for what their human sides looked like in advance and not just taken from the most popular fan examples.

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>>116869879Bretty nice

>>116869879Valentino really is a shit. I predict Alastor is going to really make him suffer, for unrelated reasons.

I hope it doesn't take the "sentimental" route like adventure time. The music video was already too much

>>116853963I really want 40s radio drama demon to have his own episode, I am in love with his design.

Cuphead crossover episode

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>>116853963It depends. Is it the kinda show with a moral or lesson of the day kinda feel or is it progressive and straight lined spotlight episodes on characters reforming?

>>116853963More Niffty plotlines.

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>>116853963Hazbin ain't for me but congrats to y'all for getting picked up. Too many good cartoons die before getting picked up so it's pretty interesting to see an independent series like this get picked up.

>>116870121Nifty a qt

>>116870241I suspect a lot of cartoons will get picked up thanks to COVID making live production too dangerous.

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I miss the trash thread, I wanna post deer boy cocks and stuff.

>>116854093>and then the fucking haztards are gonna make so much fucking porn of the gay spiderIronically, Charlie and Alastor have more lewds.

>>116870595Bring it back then.

HAZBIN HOTELAngel Dust: instagram.com/angie_fluffy_bootz/Cherri Bomb: instagram.com/bombingbichbabe/Husk: instagram.com/bar_cat75/Niffty: instagram.com/babyfeathrdustr/Sir Pentious: instagram.com/hiss_lord/Vaggie: instagram.com/hotel_magnement/Valentino: instagram.com/moth_pimp/Velvet: instagram.com/radvelvetcakes/Vox: instagram.com/voxtagram_8k/HELLUVA BOSSBlitzo: instagram.com/blitzorodeo/Loona: instagram.com/moonlight_howling_666/Millie: instagram.com/beautymarkbabe666/Moxxie: instagram.com/simply_moxxie/Olivia: instagram.com/gothchk2003/Stolas: instagram.com/daddy_hoothoot/The thicc bih responsible, Vivzie: instagram.com/vivziebizzie/And remember: Let's make the most of the night, like we're gonna die young.

>>116867985Maybe.... Lore puts Vox's death in the 1950's and Alastor's in 1933.Alastor was a radio personality in the south in life.... Alastor was also a serial killer though so maybe not.

>>116870654Despite having three posts, Olivia's account remains private. This is either because they are planning a proper reveal after her introduction in the series, or because she's technically underage (17 years old, given the "2003" in her username).

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>>116868697It's... fresh.It's adult animation that doesn't rely on weak dick/pussy jokes and isn't the same formula used in most cartoons recently. It's also has a good plot and some interesting visuals.

>>116869257I Honestly think he already told us his plan. He wants to stick around and watch other hellions try and fail to gain redemption.

>>116869591I Always assumed it was bloodhounds. You know,dogs that were tracking him down and he tried to kill them and they attacked and mauled him.

>>116870545

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>>116870654>>116870721Who the hell is Olivia?

>>116870844Olivia is Stolas' daughter. Officially she's only been seen on Instagram, and I think in a picture in the "Helluva Boss" pilot episode. Otherwise, I imagine they're setting her up as a supporting character in her own right for future episodes.Which reminds me, has anybody heard anything about new episodes? I know that it's the show they've been working on while "Hazbin Hotel" was being pitched, to the point that they're working on the fifth episode.

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>>116870654Does anyone else kind of find this augmented reality to be obnoxious? Especially if they're going to all be kept up through the duration of the show and often referenced in discussion as a primary source of canon.

>>116869432>>116869457>>116870722I see.

>>116871210I dunno if it'll be that deep. For the most part they'll likely serve more for character development that is made relevant in the show itself, rather than a separate avenue of storytelling in conjunction with the main series. Granted, there will be crossover, but Instagram will be secondary while the cartoon itself is primary.

>>116871210I just find it annoying that it is on Instagram sense that site is ass to use.

>>116871271Well, sure, the show will be THE primary source that tells a self-contained story, but I loath the thought of Holla Forums threads down the road where details that aren't in the show are brought up and questions about what the hell people are talking about are answered with "check this character's instagram." Example: >>116870844 I get why canon is so scattered right now since until only a moment ago we knew this to be nothing more than somebody's personal art project, but now that it will be a proper show, I'd much rather see everyone on the same page just by watching said show.>>116871350This is also true.

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>>116871634That's fair. If it helps, there's still time to get caught up since there really isn't much to comb through. If anything, the comic is the only hard canon story so far, outside of the pilot episode.

>>116871210I think it's fun

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>>116870722>doesn't rely on weak dick/pussy jokesThats Angels entire personality

>>116869449is he also the demon of wrath?

>>116870758You know what? You're right, that makes much more sense. I completely forgot bloodhounds were a thing.

>>116861849He doesn't even look like a spider. At first I thouvht he was suppose to be a mosquito or something.

>>116853963We're thinking we're not a hivemind. Tard.>>116853968Homo.

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>>116872031I just thought he looked one of those ambiguous furry Dr. Seuss characters.

>>116872060>We're thinking we're not a hivemind. Tard.Don't get so autistically hung up on semantics, you understood what OP was asking.

>>116853963A plotline where it's immediately canceled for being shit.

>>116855037>Fresh arrivals in Hell>What is up with the Exterminators and just how brutal they get during purges>The current head honchos>What Charlie's parents are currently up to>Heaven>Possibility of a Fallen Angel maybe from the exterminator group who joins the gang in a bid to get back into Heaven

>>116856643>Sir Pentious saves him from that pimp high tier demon>Boasts how it is just to further his own conquest of Hell but really did it to save Angel

>>116854589>He fucks his pig. He truly is a faggot.

>>116869591Lynched by the KKK via dog fight pit

>>116872209If this human pic of him is anything to go by (which supposedly is the closest to canon picture according Ashley Nichols, one of hazbins big wigs and is quite close to vivzie) he could've been mistaken for being Italian (who were commonly targeted by the Klan

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>>116853963Honestly what they need to do is fix those character designs. So overdesigned. Holy crap.

>>116871956I think that was Satan, according to Vivzies list. Because they're two separate entities for some reason.

I'm hoping all the characters have complicated relations with one another.

>>116872180>>116856643Sir Pentious being under the impression Angel Dust is his son the entire show sounds like comedy gold.

>>116872342People keep discussing the idea that the characters need to be redesigned, which I agree with, but most redesigns I've seen have been absolute shit and nobody is able to come to an agreement on which details should be kept. Pic related in particular got a lot of traction but it looks trash in my opinion.

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Episode following Nifty and a pair of Charlie's goat servants.

>>116872352Probably because trying to merge the character Satan and Lucifer together would make a neurotic character if you want both aspects they are known forLucifer being the rebel prettyboi with daddy issues that rules over Hell as an inmate himselfSatan being that guy that tempts humans into being bad and is on amicable terms with the big G

>>116854168With a bit of theological musing, it can be determined that Charlie is literally without sin.

>>116869695I could see Lucifer showing up to the hotel in disguised as some mysterious mook demon. There'd be a stinger at the end of the episode with Alastor calling him out in private and Lucifer / mysterious demon simply smiling telling him to "enjoy his entertainment" before vanishing.

>>116854168I misread that as if Charlie is so good then why is she in Hell, and the answer is she part gay

>>116872393>Gets redeemed and goes to Heaven>Actual son in angel form awaiting him>"Who the hell are you?"

>>116872447That's actually a very solid answer, I dig it.

>>116872352Is there art of Hazbin Satan?

>>116862573I could see why freaks want his feet

>>116872125>what OP was askingFree ideas?

>>116856615They usually don't die; Only Angel weapons can permakill in hell.Beyond that, I think its a mystery in universe

>>116870621Oh shit really? Sauce please?

>>116872248Judging by the pics he doesn't look like he has black African blood at all. Perhaps some native American ancestry. Or maybe as a person of southern European descent (most likely Spanish, French, both) with a bit of a tan.

>>116873736Using the search feature on a r34 website.>Charlie_Magne (529)>Alastor (399)>Angel_Dust (341)

>>116873898yeah i figured rule 34 would have tons, the twitter/blog posts would be more tiring to find and save however. Thanks

>>116873932>All that fujo art on locked twitter accountsYeah, it'd surprise me if Charlie actually had the most porn

Oh I think a fallen angel appearing as a character to help them learn to be holy is the most important thing - with the character having ulterior motives being hired by Alastor to make it entertaining. So what is good gets questioned.

>>116872679Sadly no, just a list that Vivzie posted on her Twitter IIRC. She was talking about how she'd researched demonology for the show.

>>116853968>Su reaction imageCome on user be more subtle with the bait

>>116854093The "harder Daddy" scene got a chuckle out of me.I agree with the point tho, we need more porn of other characters, particularly Vaggie.

>>116854393>I want each season to be about redeeming one character. I want the episodes to be episodic enough that you aren't forced to watch them in order, but still have an overarching story with a beginning, middle, and end.>Redeeming one character per season.Please have it be an actual arc and not SU's "we'll drop this character till we think is relevant again" sort of episodic, Peridot, Bismuth and Lapis being cucked out of screentime with the main gems was painful.

I can't believe this show made people seethe. It's perfectly fine. Not amazing or anything but definitely more memorable than She-Ra or Solar Opposites for its visuals alone. What made people hate this. I really have no idea.

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>>116871350>I just find it annoying that it is on Instagram sense that site is ass to use.Same, but I have to be there because ever since Tumblr died finding artists have became a pain.

>>116860456we really are back in 2005 aren't we

>>116853963Oh hey it's the "list of good albums" girl

>>116875217I call it Deviant Art syndrome. It's clearly made by a millennial who grew into her emo phase instead of out of it, fueled by the rise of Deviant Art as she was coming of age. Much like how the hippies took their drug-addled philosophy with them as they infiltrated the Western establishment, Medrano took what would've been called "cringe" only a decade ago and somehow made it mainstream.

>>116872074Why doesn't this tweening look as bad as usual tweening?

>>116875817Because there's minimum effort on it

>>116875865it looks better than a lot of industry-level tweening I've seen

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>>116874736Time to make a burner Twitter to follow locked accounts and privatter

twitter.com/misspanica1/status/1241987955474018304?s=21unironically wanna see alastor dancing like that in the show

>>116855037Anything about Lucifer really.

>>116870945Besides the blm stream and sneak peeks at these episodes there is no much info.

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>>116870945Here's a compilation of some animatic clips from future Helluva Boss episodes -youtube.com/watch?v=bSA-mcFRtgsShe's in there.

>>116872074Is this 2D or cel-shaded 3D?

I'll talk a little about Vaggie 's character. I generally dislike the "angry female character" stereotype but this time it works because nobody takes her seriously, which in turn makes her likeable. I love seeing Vaggie get BTFO' d by men. I just can't wait for the show to get greenlit just to see Vaggie get pranked by Alastor & Lucifer, get mentally broken by Valentino, made fun of by Vox and annoyed by Seviathan (aka Charlie's Ex Boyfriend).

>>116877807And Angel is just there, cracking jokes all the while.

>>116877807>annoyed by Seviathan (aka Charlie's Ex Boyfriend).Despite watching almost every viv's stream and hunicast i hear about Charlie's ex boyfriend for the first time. God this show's lore is so fucking huge.

>>116872605Kek

>>116877807>>116877892Is Charlie a virgin?

>>116853963Alastor betrayal plot set up most likely Angel Dust is gonna be redeemed first since he's gotten the most attention with his comic and music video.

what is the relationship between cyclocps bitch and spider guy? are they like brothers or something, or really good firends?

>>116878501Really good friends.youtube.com/watch?v=ulfeM8JGq7s

>>116878413Based on how she reacts to suggestive themes it's likely so.

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>>116879061Truly the only pure thing in hell left eh. Too bad she's going to lose it to, I don't know, Alastor or something

alastor is confirmed aroace, why do so many people think he's gonna fuck anyone in the cartoon

>>116855037I just want to see something competent

>>116879117>>116879061I suspect she's a Covert Pervert.

will viv work my wife into hazbin

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>>116877807Why do so many people hate Vaggie? She seems to be like the least favorite character in the fandom.

>>116879961It's a shame. She's pretty much the applejack of hazbin. I can think of several possible factors though>Only main character that doesn't have furry design elements>Bitch behavior that makes people want to see her bullied, which happens frequently in the pilot and comic>Is dating Charlie which gets in the way of deranged alastor shippers>Not much potential for interesting backstory compared to others>People don't like lesbians and latinas with no ass?Personally she's one of my favourites both in terms of personality and design. It's important to have her as the straight man (heh) in a show like this. I'm sure if they give us more episodes centered around her the fans might start warming up to her

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>>116879961She's the straw feminist type: angry, man-hating, lesbian. The kind of person 18-34 year old white males (most of the audience probably) consider toxic and/or undesirable. So far she's really not done anything but be supportive and protective of Charlie, but Alasator and Angel's dismissive attitude toward her kind of informs the audience that it's gonna be OK to dislike her. >>116877807>I generally dislike the "angry female character" stereotype but this time it works because nobody takes her seriously, which in turn makes her likeable. >I love seeing Vaggie get BTFO' d by men.She's an "angry female character" but that's all we know about her so far. Who knows? Maybe we get a few episodes in and she's also a super smart badass. I personally like Vaggie, but I'm a hispanic guy who was raised by latina lesbians so I'm more than a little biased.

>>116880306>Not much potential for interesting backstory compared to othersI read on theory on Holla Forums that she wasn't actually a demon or a deceased human, but a fallen angel. Could be interesting.

>>116880326>not only angry but also a super smart badassThat would drive her from a solid 2/10 character to a negative fifty

>>116880306she is bitchy but not in a likable way like angel or loona

>>116870945Fuck me more characters

>>116871210Yes, the shows going to be the main source of storytelling but the amount of information about character that have already been revealed is just obnoxious

>>116880436>loona>likeabledid we watch the same show

>>116867980he used to be a deer How the fuck is anyone suppose to know that

>>116880548yes she makes me diamonds

>>116880718id tell you to yiff in hell but...

>>116880581He has black antlers you can barely see and scene hair in the shape of deer ears.Tons of better redesigns.

what is it with this trend of people getting mad at information not explicitly given in the show like they think it's NEVER going to come up in future episodes?>what is it with this trend of people getting mad at information not explicitly given in the show like they think it's NEVER going to come up in future episodes?what is it with this trend of people getting mad at information not explicitly given in the show like they think it's NEVER going to come up in future episodes?>what is it with this trend of people getting mad at information not explicitly given in the show like they think it's NEVER going to come up in future episodes?

>>116880728I'll gladly go to hell to be with my wife

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so is alastor not black? I'm no linguist in the American south, but creole has a lot of meanings.

>>116880581>>116880738also his shoes have deer hooves on the bottom

>>116880801hes black

>>116880533It's going to be very awkward of they retcon stuff while the show airs like in the actual show it has a contradiction to the online stuff.

>>116880801He's grey

>>116880782They're probably upset we have all this shaky info that's not dripfed by the finished product.If they ever decide to retcon something in the finished product people are going to bitch about which one is more true

>>116880801He's whatever you want him to be because at this point no one knows.

>>116880801Here's a better question: why give fuck one about the race of a character that is not categorically human?

>>116881305because he uses voodoo and people would bitch about cultural appriopation

>>116881328All the more reason to ignore them.

>>116879961Because shes what blocks Alastor/Charlie ship that majority of Hazbin Hotel fandom craves

>>116881425Are they shipped because they're the only 2 likable characters in that cartoon? What does the creator think of the ship? If she's like Hiro Mashima with that couple of the 2 main characters, then I might be more interested. I'm a shipping larper

>>116881488It's older suave male x normal girl thing that most of the females like. Bonus point if it's edgy and sadomasochistic.

>>116880306Persobally I love her moth-inspired design.I think the issue is not her character herself but the lack of screentime she got due to the pilot needing to introduce everyone, she's more of a "straight down to earth" character which doesn't ring as much attention as the other bombastic over the top characters like AD and Charlie.She has great potential in the full season tho, this sort of shows where everyone is as over the top as their designs need someone to calm down the heat, she's perfect for her job and I think she'll grow into the fandom if given the chance.People who think she's cucking her favorite ships may be biased from the start and those are unsalvageable because hardcore shippers that only want their OTP to be canon and cannot multiship/save it to themselves are fucking loonies and always the worst side of any fandom.

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>>116881840*Cucking their

>>116881840Just wait till Vivzie gives Vaggie a really depressing dark backstory that will inevitably make everyone feel bad for her.

>>116881899I mean, I wouldn't mind that as long as it doesn't fuck up her whole personality.I enjoy Vaggie, I feel like her more abrasive but pasive attitude (answering to trouble instead of causing it) is necessary and good for this show.I wanna know what she did to be sent straight to the hellhole, I know people are saying "being gay kek" but I highly doubt Vivzie is that oblivious.

>>116854168Most people end up in hell because of their mentality, she was born into it.Hell doesn't make people bad, it's the other way around

>>116882157Hell is other people.If Ned Flanders ended up in Hazbin Hell he would be acting indistinguishable from any other demon after a year.

>>116881899I doubt that will help because she's still too normal to be likable for the fanbase that likes gay twinks and dark seme demons.

>>116879961>>116880306Can't speak on the shipping war, but I think the general dislike of Vaggie would be akin to how we'd feel about Squidward as the grumpy "no fun allowed" guy if all we had was the first couple of Spongebob episodes. A straight man is indeed important to have, but that role doesn't do her favors in competition of popularity with other characters, especially when she's currently perceived as the perpetually-angry sort of straight man.>>116881488>What does the creator think of the ship?I don't get the impression that the Viv is enthused about the ship since she made a point to already declare that Alastor is asexual. See >>116863041 >>116863278

>>116853963I’m curious if Heaven will allow what Charlie’s attempting to work, or for that matter if the angels even have a say in it. The idea of a demon redeeming themselves might be heresy to them

>>116865655>enf NifftyNice

>>116882501I'd rather have Heaven stay out of the picture as I fear that getting it more involved with the story will bring about a lot of cringy anti-theism, whether from the fanbase or the creators directly.

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>>116882726Thats one of my worries about the show. like I loved the pilot and I love the characters I am just worried that it will fall back on god and his angels being the bad guys.

>>116870945Why is Stolas so... nice? Aren't hell lords supposed to fight each in brutal conflicts?

>>116883015>Stolas>niceHe's a total degenerate who cheats on his wife.

>>116883015>Stolas>NiceIsn't he the "gentleman evil" like Alastar?

>>116883104If his wife doesn't mind, theres nothing wrong with that.

>>116883137Alastar is evil because he wants others to fail, and want to laugh at their misfortune.

>>116877348>IMP has a counterpart that keeps people aliveNot a bad concept I must admit.

>>116854079Unless she wants to go with Doomguy.

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>>116882955>>116882726Good points, I’d rather have heaven be on Charlie’s side as it could be a good way for other antagonistic demons to go against Charlie and would be much better than the usual “lmao god is ALSO evil” plotlines we’ve seen a million times

>>116879482she's already there, she's just goth now

How would Lucifer react to you doing fetish art of his daughter?

>>116883266jay jay has bigger tits

>>116877807>>116877892Gonna second this, where was Charlie’s ex boyfriend mentioned?

>>116883249you know what would be an interesting plot for an episode: charlie wants to make sure that this whole redemption thing will work so she figures she should probably talk to heaven about the whole thing. so she goes on this rigmarole to get to see the big G. The entire time everyone is telling them how horrid the guy and his son are and how much of a bigot he is. and at the end of the episode she finally gets to speak to god and he is actually just a good person who is fully down with her plan.

>>116883497>Chill, nice and cool GodMy favorite trope, always reminds me of that episode where Homer refuses to go yo church and God sits down to talk to him and ends up a pretty reasoning and nice guy who agrees the whole thing is bullshit.

>>116853963The show burning, the creator exploding, and ever user creating such threads choking.And I would like to see that RIGHT now.

Something tells me a lot of the information on the wiki is pretty misleading and/or overexaggerated. I'd imagine most of the underhand sources are like this:>Viv starts a stream>Someone asks "Hey does alastor like chocolate?">Viv says "I guess">Someone goes on the wiki and says ALASTOR IS A FAN OF CHOCOLATE

Does anyone else hate how Vox, Alastor, Lucifer, and Valentino ALL have the same body type? They're all skinny, tall, lean, and edgy. It's fine to have at least two with the same body but when they're all skinny and tall it sorta takes away the impact of each character.Vox would be better if he was strong and BIG like a LCD TV from the 90s, and Valentino could be a fat bastard.>Vox should have a universal remote for a tie and shoulder blades being his antenna

>>116853963Okay OP , I watched the whole thing.The best way that I can describe this cartoon is that it's a self-indulgent clusterfuck. I won't knock the animation because it was a means to an end for the story and the way it was produced was bound to lead to some inconsistent results from animator to animator. The frame count's high, but it also feels aimless. Character's just twist and bend and jerk all around the screen, there's no contrast to anything. Combined with detailed character designs which much be a nightmare to keep track of, nearly everything visually was a big jumble of red, black, frills and angles.There was a clear story in there somewhere, but the turf war subplot gets in the way. It had absolutely no place in this episode whatsoever other than to show off. If this is the pilot, here's what, in my mind, should have been established.1) The general rules that make up what Hell is and how it works. Hell is a universal concept that most people regard as a place where souls go to for eternity. It's fine to have Hell not line up with that perception, and you don't have to give everything away at the start, but again... what are the rules? Who goes to Hell and why? What happens in Hell in general? What are these exterminations, who do they target and why? None of what was shown, told, or sung-through explained any of this. There's no sense of place, there's no stakes, there's no reason to feel sympathetic or vested in what Charlie wants.

>>116884241Fuck no. Sleek and slender designs are great. I don't ever want to see a fat bastard on the show.

>>116884272(Continued)2) It seems like the more important conflict was between Charlie and her girlfriend, what's-her-name. Two people with similar goals that disagree on how to go about doing it. The devil could literally be in the detail. Give some kind of example for why Charlie is the way she is so we can sympathize with her instead of being confused over decisions that seem to put her well into harm's way.3) No turf war, save it for another time. Don't cram it in just because you have the feeling you may not get picked up for a series. Angel was already prostituting himself and doing drugs, that's more than enough to act as a foil towards Charlie, who could know that it's hard work rehabilitating a demon.Also I guess I should talk about the songs. The first song is an "I Am" song, but it feels like it's for a totally different character because Charlie is guns a blazing in "Happy Hotel", which is an "I Want" song. But there's no fun or surprise to her song because we already spent like a minute and a half where Charlie explained exactly what the hotel was and what she wanted to do. So she talked about it, and then talked about it again through song and revealed no new information. Feels like padding, which I can only wonder if the cartoon needed since it was already half an hour long.So yeah, to be even more concise, I hated it. It was loud, dumb, had nothing interesting to say about demons, hell, or redemption. Also for as edgy as this cartoon is, I noticed when Charlie sings "Happy Hotel", the people she mostly mentions are those who like porn and do drugs. No murderers or sex offenders. Even though it's Hell. Guess that would have been too edgy, right?

>>116884337>she mostly mentions are those who like porn and do drugs. >No murderers or sex offenders. I guess you missed the part where she literally mentions those people.

>>116884411I own up to my mistake, she did mention "creepy, hatchet-wielding maniacs", but it was tough to hear because of the awful audio mixing. Still, it's sung so quickly and mentioned in such passing that it doesn't seem to address the issue at all. Praising rehabilitation over retribution, even today, can provoke some fierce debates over being too "soft on crime or criminals" or "defending their behavior". Especially in regards to violent crime/ sex offenders. Even as real life has shown that some former convicts, even murderers, can be properly rehabilitated and can lead productive lives. You know the brand "Killer Bread"? Yeah, that's where it gets its name from. Ex-convicts work in that company.The pilot would have been much more interesting if it showed a demon looking for that redemption and pushback from others, a perception of Charlie caring more about the criminal than the victims. But again, it's Hell and everyone acts badly, anyway, so there's no real stakes. If a demon relapses, they're no different than anyone else. Some might be exterminated, but the pilot fails to establish Hell properly. Who's exterminated? Why? Would redeeming a demon really save them from extermination if the start behaving in a way completely counter to the reason people go to Hell in the first place? Who makes the decision to exterminate these demons? Charlie's a fucking princess and leaves a message for her mom and it's implied that her dad's either missing or dead or something. They're royalty - if they're not doin this, who is? This is so confusing.

So, what about the music video that came out a bit ago? I'm a fan of shitty bombastic over the top EDM because mom never loved me and I need to get my creativity from somewhere but even then I am not sure if I like the song.

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>>116884810It was shit. People only liked it because Angel took it up the butt.

>>116884621>This is so confusing.It's all pretty straight-forward actually. Probably just more details you missed because the awful audio mixing.>Praising rehabilitation over retribution, even today, can provoke some fierce debatesShe was laughed out of the news studio. >it's Hell and everyone acts badly, anyway, so there's no real stakes. If a demon relapses, they're no different than anyone else.Yeah, and? The show is set up as slice of life / character comedy not an epic saga examining the consequences of damnation. >the pilot fails to establish Hell properly. Who's exterminated?Anyone can be exterminated if someone stronger kills them. An annual(?) extermination event happens to address overpopulation. Again, this was explained in very simple terms. How did you miss this?>Would redeeming a demon really save them from exterminationWell, as Charlie explained to the audience, she believes that rehabilitating sinners could allow them to ascend to heaven, thus negating the need for extermination. >Who makes the decision to exterminate these demons?Presumably Charlie's father and the other powerful denizens of Hell, but we don't have confirmation of that. >it's implied that her dad's either missing or dead or somethingNo it's not. What the fuck?Your complains are all either contrived or just plain inaccurate based on the episode. You missed tons of details that most people caught on first viewing. What I'm saying is, you're a fucking moron. Just hate the video and move on with your life, IMO. BITCH

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>>116884810>>116884851I liked it. It's both tragic and kinda silly. Angel and Cherri are coping with past trauma in unhealthy ways and they know it.

Charly a gay. Yikes.

>>116884217>Hey does alastor like chocolate?"Why would you even ask a dumb question like that?

>>116884937>Why would you even ask a dumb question like that?There's fans who obsess over knowing every piece and bits of the characters they like, and particularly want what they think of them to be canon.Look at the Jasper fandom, many of them left the fucking show and made a fit because "That's not jasper!" when future came out even tho she behaved exactly as always, they wanted her to be a poor uwu victim with a soft heart who opens up and shit.

>>116883497>High tier angels running things are full against Charlie and all "HERESY" and shit>She gets to Big G and he is just "Hey that sounds like a great idea! You can do it! Say hi to your dad for me!>He knows some of the high tier angels will pull undermining shit on top of the stuff going on in Hell but is just doing 40D chess so things ultimately work out best by the end of the shitstorm

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>>116854071I'll admit that the idea of Husky being dressed as a hippie makes me hard.

>>116884810Most EDM just wants people to be happy and dance. A nice goal, but it resists any attempt to expand at all so it doesn't feel as expansive as other genres of music. Freedom encourages you to make the most of your talents through discipline. Anarchy encourages you to squander your talents based mostly on "what feels good". To me, even with the strict 4/4 meter, most EDM feels like anarchy.>>116884853The actual plot is straightforward, but there's a lot of fluff around it, like the stupid turf war. It's thinking beyond what happens onscreen and considering the implications. If you do a unique interpretation of Hell, some of the major rules HAVE to be explained so you can get an idea of the stakes.Charlie was laughed out of the news station, because as the demons rightfully point out, there's no real consequences for relapsing back into acting badly. There's the "exterminations", but nobody explained what the FUCK that was. WHAT, TO WHOM, HOW, WHY.Overpopulation wasn't mentioned as a problem either, and stronger demons seem to be able to kill weaker ones at any time. And yet there's this big clock that mentions the next extermination being a year from now. So why's there an event again? What? Also how do the demons get to heaven? Did Charlie negotiate this with angels? Who in Heaven feels obligated to let demons who were condemned to Hell for eternity? Again, this isn't explained. I'm looking at the script right now and don't see this mentioned anywhere.This cartoon was bloated, almost nonsensical, self-indulgent claptrap and I couldn't feel a sense of place or what was at stake. You see in the real world when someone relapses, the consequence is that they go to jail or die. In Hell, who cares? Then they just go right back to fitting in with everyone else who just does whatever they want, anyway. Some consequence.

>>116884810I'm in the same boat of generally liking electronic music, but I find this to be generic trash that isn't worth repeated listens. It also makes me worry that the show will devolve to soppy drama galore, which is partly why I would've preferred Helluva Boss getting elevated.

>>116885061>some of the major rules HAVE to be explained so you can get an idea of the stakes.This was explained.>There's the "exterminations", but nobody explained what the FUCK that was. WHAT, TO WHOM, HOW, WHY.This was explained. >Overpopulation wasn't mentioned as a problem eitherThe word "overpopulation" itself implies it is a problem. Charlie mentions that she thinks exterminations as an answer to overpopulation is wrong. >Also how do the demons get to heaven? Did Charlie negotiate this with angels? Who in Heaven feels obligated to let demons who were condemned to Hell for eternity?Charlie wrote this in her letter. Rather than referring back to it however, use Occam's razor: Charlie doesn't actually know if sinners will be allowed to enter Heaven. She's shown to be naive and overly optimistic (hence the reaction to the song), so it stands to reason she hasn't thought this through. >I'm looking at the script right now and don't see this mentioned anywhere.Subtext. Not every minor detail has to be exposited if the subtext gives us the explanation. >In Hell, who cares? Then they just go right back to fitting in with everyone else who just does whatever they want, anyway.This was also addressed in the episode. >I couldn't feel a sense of place or what was at stake.>bloated, almost nonsensical, self-indulgent claptrapIt sounds like you didn't like the episode. Nothing wrong with that. But every complaint you have is complete BS. Everything you said wasn't explained, was explained. You missed the explanation. You can -still- say the episode was shit; that it was hot fucking garbage and you hated the visual diarrhea that is Vivzi's style. Instead you pulled a bunch of nonsense out of your ass that doesn't stand up to even a shred of scrutiny. Don't waste your time coming up with more garbage. Either hate the show or re-watch it for all the shit you missed.

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>>116885323WHERE, point to the part in the script that substantiates any of this.

So I decided to take a look at the script to make sure I got it right. I did overlook some details, but having read this, it now makes slightly more sense.The opening featured a lot of unnamed demons carrying out the annual extermination, later mentioned in the news as being a solution to Hell's persistent overpopulation problem. And the turf war is a direct consequence of so much space being freed up. Got it. The problem is that the turf war doesn't have much of an impact on the main plotline - Charlie trying to drum up interest in the hotel. The only threads connecting to it are Angel Dust's participation with Cherri Bomb, and then later on when the Radio Demon casts away Sir Pentious like it's nothing. I think it would have been better kept to be shown at some other time.That's really the main issue with this cartoon - too many characters are introduced, to the point where even a half hour doesn't feel like enough time. And the only real thing we learn about any of them is that they're all evil in some way. Go figure, it's Hell. But that's still frustrating that we get half an hour and learn next to nothing about Charlie except that it's difficult to sympathize with her since she's a privileged, naive, impulsive person who has no real plan and is willing to subject herself and others to clear and present danger because of her beliefs, especially the Radio Demon in general, who laid out his ambitions in plain English. We already get the idea that Charlie's naive and her enthusiasm can override her doubt, but this is the point in the cartoon where you really have to question her logic.The only reason the Radio Demon seems to exist is to explain away any concerns about the hotel potentially becoming damaged in a turf war or from the inhabitants becoming exterminated since he's got the strength to protect it. His explanation is strongly suggested to be a lie, but it feels more like lampshading. He just helps because of "boredom". Yeah, okay.

>>116885061>everything in the cartoon world needs to be have complex reasoning that has to be EXPLAINED to MEYou're fucking retard, dude. You come off as one of those people who spend half the time on their phone and then complain nothing makes sense to them.Seriously stop posting.

>>116885048sounds dangerously based

>>116886432And then we get this microwaved ending where Radio Demon summons several other demons and quickly convinces them to be employees with little objection. That's convenient.I think I would have liked this more if it focused solely on Charlie and Vaggie trying to keep Angel Dust under control while simultaneously interviewing people to work at Happy Hotel. Say at the beginning things look great. Charlie's happy, got a full staff at the hotel, ready for their grand opening. And then the extermination happens and the viewer, only THEN, learns that this is Hell. Charlie would look around and try to assess the damage and bring some morale back to her staff only to realize that they all got killed from the chaos. So then Charlie's back to square 1 and has to find someone to fix the hotel, and no investors are interested, except for Radio Demon. Radio Demon not only promises her money to rebuild, but several demons he basically holds hostage. Charlie's uncomfortable about the idea but ultimate accepts a firm DEAL. You could have a scene with a support group and attempts to get more people into the hotel, with the main conflict being between Charlie and Vaggie over this collaboration with Radio Demon. Just when it seems like they can't come to an agreement, that's when Sir Pentious attacks and Radio Demon quickly disposes of him. He's the shield they need for this hotel to stay intact, so they begrudgingly continue to work with him. This could bring up all sorts of themes like selling out, the hurdles of running a business even with good intentions, the difficulties of rehabilitation, what's truly evil, what or who's beyond redemption, and so on. Instead we got dumb songs and pithy blue humor where none of the jokes landed.

>>116883497i would also prefeer to see an exterminator that doesnt like it's job to fail to return and getting trapped in hell, and with a disguise, secretly help charlie from up close to achieve her goalonly to later on angel dust discover it's secret and constantly tease it, turning it's life into hell>>116885048>the angels are beyond pissed because she got the upper hand>lucifer is furious because God got her sympathy at minimum

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>>116886432>>116884272Man.What is it about HH that makes people so mad? I have never seen such genuine hate for a show and it's creator so much as I have seen for HH. It's fine if you don't like it but jeez people like you act like it's some sort of dangerous state propaganda.

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>>116886925Because Hazbin Hotel's pretentious, bloated and obnoxious. And it doesn't succeed in even scratching the surface of the main theme suggested - redemption. It was just Three songs taped together with a tapestry of freaks.

>>116886805>J Man strolls in>"Hey son! You just missed her! Lucifer's daughter swung by with a cool idea! You'd love her! Sweet gal!>"Yeah, I've heard. Dad, the archangels / [insert high tier angel group here] are in an uproar. You do realize they aren't going to let this go right?">"Yep.">"You...oh right the knowing thing.">"Don't worry son. Everything happens for a reason. One way another...things will work out for the best.>"...Alright...">"Seriously you need to loosen up. We need to hook ya up with someone!">Cue long game where J Man gets hooked up with Charlie or Vaggie (probably Vaggie with the reveal her real name is Mary) or something after hilarity.>That moment when Alastor meets Big G and tries to act like hot shit but Big G doesn't give a shit about his spooky smooth talking act and is just casual as fuck with him.

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>>116886925>I have never seen such genuine hate for a show and it's creator so much as I have seen for HH.Reminds me of mlp.I've talked to bunch of HH haters, and they all said it's the fandom they hate.

>>116887176>>>That moment when Alastor meets Big G and tries to act like hot shit but Big G doesn't give a shit about his spooky smooth talking act and is just casual as fuck with him.This, but with Lucifer or Jesus.

>>116855037>any kind of correlation between many demons having animalistic traits and angels appearing rather robotic (and does that have any correlation with Vox)>is the dichotomy just Heaven and Hell, or are there other dimensions (Pagan gods in hell? Genies?)>Jesus >what very old demons are like, given that most of the older ones seem to only date back to around Victorian era and have relatively modern 'themes' >is hell just full of former americans and brits, or what? Does hell have 'countries' and the nip demons and the aztec demons and all the rest are just out of sight

>>116882726These are the dumbest looking angel designs

>>116887221I think Cherry Bomb is Australian and Vaggie is Mexican

>>116887176>Vaggie and Jesus have a feelings jam of being the token "sane person" of their respective groups.

>>116882726Given how shitty the top tiers of the demons are and what these angels actually look like, wouldn't it make more sense that it's actually just the demon upper crust purging the place with killbots every so often?

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>>116854071The first one. But every episode. And she gets fatter every time.

>>116886432>>116886769I'd cut the pilot some slack on the account that it was just the personal project of somebody with a limited amount of storytelling experience, probably mainly in service to her animation portfolio rather than writing. I wouldn't be surprised if the show proper redoes the pilot with some changes to serve as the first episode, or otherwise drop details that retcons stuff from the pilot.Besides allowing for animated action, the turf war establishes the story's setting to not just be the hotel, but rather an entire pentagram-shaped city. While this wider setting is not immediately relevant to the story we're told in twenty minutes, it hints at a bigger story to come with different factions vying over control of the city.I see Alastor, the Radio Demon, as having two main roles. First, when it comes to the wider city setting, Alastor is the bulwark that will defend the hotel from outside antagonists who to want to destroy it. Sir Pentious is just a comically weak example of such a threat, but there are obviously powerful foes out there that will give Alastor a run for his money while the other main characters stand no chance.Then as far as the internal hotel story goes, Alastor serves as the (nonviolent) antagonist to everyone else, especially Charlie, casting doubt on everything they do to try to better themselves and others. The end goal of the show will be for Charlie to get him to admit that sinners can be redeemed. In addition, Charlie and friends will also have to subvert whatever ulterior evil plan Alastor has in store, probably something along the lines of usurping Charlie's dad as the king of Hell.But we're at least in agreement on not liking the musical aspect very much.

>>116888267I'd give the creators some credit if the 'evils of technology' comes up as a over-arching plot point, in the sense that the conflict between Alastor and Vox is something ends up relating to the nature of 'sinning through advanced technology' ends up looking different over different time periods (given that this series isn't trying to hide that demons are generally going to be themed after /something/). Pentious is a inventor from the Victorian era while Alastor is basically the 1920's in human form, meanwhile Vox's apparent portfolio would include, say, plopping down children in front of Ipads and rotting their brains or, well, 4chan. If ends up that it's basically impossible not to be a sinner as a normal human because you're looking at ass pics on Instagram, which is what literal demons 'use' and post terrible shit on and get likes from mere mortals, it'd be funny as hell.

>>116887176>God's wanted grandkids for thousands of years>any kid of Jesus and Charlie would be set to be royalty of both places

>>116889434>Charlie and Jesus getting married>Angels and Demons looking at each other from across the aisle looking ready to fucking slaughter each other>Lucifer seething>God just having a big ol smile

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>>116853963I'd like to remind Holla Forums that Vivzie was bullied/harassed into making her shows and characters gay.Because she's young dumb and full of cum, Vivzie used tumblr.She may have once had been a normal girl using tumblr just as an art site. Then one day she posted something that triggered tumblr, I don't know what. But it resulted in a shit storm that she later bawwwingly apologized on tumblr saying that she isn't a bigot, she loves gay people, transpeople, and people of color.She said she became a better person, and also blamed her "behavior" on being in a bad relationship with her ex-boyfriend.The evidence that she was forced to change her characters into faggots is there are past post, character bios and podcast interviews in which-Charlie was/is supposed to have a ex-boyfriend that shows up. Whether Charlie is still a bisexual with an ex-boyfriend hasn't been disproved yet, but it wouldn't be surprising if she's full lesbo now.-Vaggie, who is Vivzie's self-insert since Vivzie alleges she's part El Salvadorean, was supposed to become a couple with Angledust, meaning she was supposed to be straight and not a man hating dyke.-Angeldust was supposed to become a couple with Vaggie, meaning he was supposed to be straight, and not a tranny faggot.Alastor was supposed be an ex-lover or pair up a bit with the flower shop lady, but now is asexual or horribly ambiguous.These things used to be fact before her apology post. So she most likely made these changes to appease people. >Prove it faggotCheck the character bios triviahazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/VaggieTumblr apologyvivziepop.tumblr.com/post/179705403534/im-only-going-to-say-this-once

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>>116889434Wait a sec.>God made both Jesus and Lucifer>Therefore Jesus and Lucifer are brothers>Therefore Charlie is fucking her uncle like the average Burger trailer trash

>>116880306What furry elements does Charlie have?

>>116889434>>116889650>it turns out that all gays actually don't go to hell automatically, it's just a popular thought in Hell and not commonly known in Heaven due to most angels being puritans, either in good faith or not>God sets it up so that Vaggie tries to interfere publicly during the wedding as Charlie's supposed ex-girlfriend and so he can frankly say to every important cosmic being that if you're repressing yourself in Heaven you're a idiot, and Charlie didn't need to marry Jesus if she had already had a girlfriend>God offers to officiate a gay wedding instead, Charlie and Vaggie say no >meanwhile Lucifier is baffled because he realizes that he's never actually officiated a gay wedding >the angels are just kind of shocked while half the demons are flipping their shit because they realize that they're not actually locked-in to a fate of being in hell if it was other things besides their sexuality that caused them to end up with other shitty people, it's just that they're shitty

>>116890127her nose gives her a slight muzzle

>>116887405Vaggi is from el salvador, not Mexico.

>>116854338Nope, he's down there along with Mohammed, Satan and Brutus.

>>116869661God i hope so.

>>116890001>she loves gay people, transpeople, and people of color.Which is why she thinks they should go straight to Hell.

>>116890001>-Kys> Angeldust was supposed to become a couple with Vaggie, meaning he was supposed to be straight, and not a tranny faggot.Falling for bait, but he was originally going to be a "genderfluid pansexual" but she changed him to an effeminate gay man. Sauce is the description: youtu.be/bzww_9DNl40

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>>116890001Given Angeldust's, uh, 'cleavage', I sincerely doubt he was ever meant to be straight

>>116885323They don't explain why there's any type of turf war in hell. There's no reason for them to want to take it since there's nothing inherently valuable in doing so. >Charlie's over optimistic No, she's just a blatant retard who lets everyone walk all over her. She even tells of Radio demon with barely and conviction behind her words. The show never properly established how this whole rehabilitation process would work either, just a bland musical that wastes time. The relationship between Cherri bomb and Angel Dust is never explainedThe motivations behind Sir Pentious plan is never explained. I could go on and on but you get the point.

>>116854780Just seems like a weird design choice to make Husk tall.

>>116869879>Spider Bugs Bunny that swears

>>116891036>The motivations behind Sir Pentious plan is never explained. He's just a demon with delusions of grandeur.

>>116891270Thats not an explanation that's a personality trait.

>>116891301I don't know, man. He was just a bit character originally. They probably haven't thought that far ahead yet.

>>116891315Things like character motivation can be explained in as little as one line of dialouge. Its an example of how this pilot just wants to be edgy and quirky with no actual substance.

>>116883249>>116883497>>116883563>>116885048>>116886805>>116887176>>116887451>>116889434>>116889650>>116890147Holy based. These are great

HUSKISTHE CUTEST

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>>116892371Despite being the most overdesigned character, I really like Husk’s look. I do think that his design should be simple though

>>116890147>God offers to officiate a gay wedding as a dramatic moment >Lucifier realizes and breaks out in cold sweats that God preforming a gay wedding before him is a massive power move Honestly if that ends up being a joke it'd justify the amount of sperging involved with this show

>>11689259290% of design is wrapped up in the wings, if they got rid of them and favor of a jacket or something would do wonders.

>>116892592>>116892707but i like the wings

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>>116893249>>116893268>>116893288>Self insert that replaces CharlieWomen were a mistake.

>>116863278>preemptively discourage rabid shippers from getting funny ideas about Alastor and CharlieThen maybe she shouldn't have made a large musical number where they dance together at the climax of her pilot or make them the most important characters.

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>>116881488I think it's mostly because they are polar opposites in their worldview about the inhabitants of hell but also share a love for over the top musical numbers, and have of course a potentially interesting storyline together with the "I can fix him" bullshit that girls love so much.

>>116853963>Gang has to protect the hotel from purge angelsThat or the hotel becomes a haven spot for wayward demons during the next purge

NEW INSTAGRAM POST FROM HUSK THIS IS NOT A DRILLinstagram.com/p/CD0IGEwgMFy/?igshid=1xk54v8w02cc0husk and angel are sitting next to each other oh my god

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>>116895282>Alastor getting btfo at cards

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>>116895282Odds of them being endgame?

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>>116896546with each new post it's looking more and more likely!

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>>116896631I actually prefer that the hat stays while the wings go

>>116896631>The only difference between Charlie’s original design and redesign is the one button removal on her overalls kek

>>116896631Husk's wings are so crowded, it must be a fucking pain to work on them unless they do the chowder technique

>>116854799You can be a victim and a sinner. Ignoring the obvious topic of sodomy, abusing drugs and gleeful murder are also VERY sinful behaviors.

>>116890001You are a retarded faggot, cope, seethe, and dilate.

>>116896953>>116897077dunno if the wings are a plot relevant. better to keep it in>>116897077charlie is borderline perfect