Sonic Adventure

Why was it so hard for Sonic Team to replicate this game?

It's so fucking sad seeing how badly it aged, because for it's time I genuinely enjoyed it more than Mario 64 Banjo and Conker.

Who made the decision at Sonic Team to systematically game by game cut out the only features that made the game good? It seems like for every improvement, some faggot decides to take one step backward somewhere in the decision making process…

SA1:

SA2:
-they removed the hubworld
-put tails in a mech
-only the hedgehog stages are good
-the other stages are a flat out burden
+added two new characters
+added multiplayer
+added a few extra features to the chao garden

Sonic Heroes:
-said fuck it to all of the above mechanics
-added an rpg like leveling system
-added bulletsponge enemies
-slippery physics and horrible collision detection
-plastic looking characters
-added horrid 3 character system that prevented you from advancing the stages solo at all
-removed the chao garden
-still no hubworld

…I could go on and on

Sonic Colors was the best 3D Sonic game, in my opinion.

Even your fingers know you're not serious user, but I'll indulge you:

-Horrid 2.5D hamfisted gameplay
-Terrible 4kids voice actor
-Shitty plot
-Only Sonic is playable for the n'th game in a row since 06

It's called being fucking stupid. It's something that especially shits up videogames and I fucking hate it.

You also forgot how disgustingly they gut everything good about the first stage wise and physics size.

I disagree. going back to sonic adventure 1 would be silly. it was a highly flawed but fun game. but really flawed.

I think they should:

Because no one who made the game is either at SEGA, or not in a position to be able to recreate. It's not hard to figure out.

Why the fuck is Chao Garden even so revered? It's fucking Tamagochi shit.

Those are some pretty autistic complaints, the "Horrid 2.5D hamfisted gameplay" was better than anything the Adventure series ever attempted
Its a kids game

Adventure > Heroes > 2

LOOK AT ALL THOSE EGGMAN'S ROBOTS

Shadow > everything else

Shadow the Hedgehog 2 when?

You're such a faggot.

Please no, not ever again. Lost world was so unoquivacally awful, even 06 had better gameplay. It was a terrible mess that I never want to experience ever again.

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Adventure was dated on arrival and didn't even knew what it was trying to be.

I think this is what happens when you change gimmicks for a series every other fucking game, it alienates the fans who liked the previous titles, so now you have these little nichegroups of fans who hate each other because they base their opinions on the games that they liked in the series. You have the classicfags, the adventurefags, the heroes/shadowfags, the wiifags, the boostfags, and finally the most retarded, the boomfags.

Sonic Team became it's own worst enemy, they've created so many subgenres that they've imploded on each other and caused a fucking civil war with fans.

Agreed literally the only thing I remotely liked about Lost world was the design of the final boss not even the boss itself was good just how it looked, and even then it doesn't look that good and I just found out it's called the Eggrobo what a shit name.


Lost World was unbelievably mediocre I don't blame him for wanting everything about it gone.

Sonic is not a platformer, he will never be mario so just stop. Sonic is meant to go fast, sonic lost world was so fucking slow, and the 2D sections had 0 fucking sensible physics whatsoever and the overall gameplay experience felt flighty and just bad.

There's nothing wrong with parkour in a Sonic game. It's goddamn innovation and leads to more creative level design.


No. You're a retard.

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What standard gameplay? You mean the wonky camera, retarded character movement that constantly makes you hit walls or the awful scripted events?

Didn't someone make a porno game for her?

Only plebs can't appreciate Mech and Hunting stages. And no mention of the rating system in SA2 which adds incredible amounts of replayability and drives you to get good at the game. SA2 is way more polished and has a different feel to it, the game wants you to get good and each stage instead of just adventuring (which really is a very apt title for SA1).


It just made the game feel huge, you didn't really know what to do with your chaos so you went and played a random stage to get through it and pick up animals and the enemy drops (pretty fun as a kid, you might end up finding new areas or paying attention to where chao items are), went to the chao garden, fed your chao shit, took it around and didn't really know what the hell was happening but it all seemed really cool and full of possibilities. As an adult you'd probably just look up the best shit to feed your chao on the internet and then dupe the items or find the best spots for them and mindlessly grind. At least that's my experience, I never went for all the emblems.

I didn't think so. Shit trips.


Mech stages were fucking shit and the music was never good save for Eternal Engine.

Absolutely this. They need to look at the core of what makes Sonic a good idea, removing any gimmick-y bullshit, and THEN add in all the bells and whistles.

Fangames seem to be doing a better job of that. SRB2 is finally adding slopes (though sadly no 90 degree inclines), and then there's Sonic Utopia.

Speaking of Utopia, it seems to be the most ideal direction to go with Sonic. I'm hoping Sega takes a hard look at it, polishes it, gets rid of its obvious flaws (too many large/open spaces without much to do in between), and then makes a proper game on top of it.

Like pottery

Also, I could probably deconstruct the fuck out of what makes Sonic a good idea, but I'm too tired right now. If the thread's still up tomorrow I'll write a TL;DR post about it.

Who keeps buying Sonic games? I keep thinking that the series is dead and two years later another abomination of a game is released.

I was doing it originally and forgot to turn it back on between threads. Fuck off.

sonic heroes is fucking good you fucking nigger its literally better than your shit sa1 garbage with NO GOOD MUSIC, HELLO WHY THE FUCK WOULD I PLAY A SONIC GAME IF IT OD ESNT HAVE GOOD MUSIC YOTU FUKCING NIGGER

Even as bait this is triggering me.

>>>/oven/

Your opinion is good

Both of yours are shit. Colors doesn't even have a decent framerate and not enough 3D sections.

It's a solid 30 about 98% of the time. Stop being autistic.
Sonic games are good.

I didn't say Colors was shit, I said you're both wrong about it being the best.

I didn't say the franchise was shit either, nigger. I've played Colors and especially DX to death just because of their individual value and I know what I'm talking about when I say DX is the best 3D game.

Then why would you even post in the first place, You hyper retard.

I like this, but have you heard of Sonic World?

Embarrassing.

Parkour can allow for more creative, fluid level design. Just because it came from an average game doesn't mean that Parkour itself is a bad idea.

Also Sonic 06 is pretty much a bad game, there's no way it had better gameplay to Lost World

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I literally pointed that out already.

Fuck off.

Unleashed had shitty night sections, but at least the day ones were consistently good. Heroes had some good parts here and there

You need to calm down hotshot. I lnow this is your first day and all but you need to seriously cool it. This isn't halfchan, we're a much chiller crowd k?

That shit takes up a majority of the game and I've counted.

Kill yourself.

*shit4cucks

Underage detected

Doubling down next, retard?

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Yeah, that's exactly what you're doing now.

Not really. It wanted to be a next generation 3d platformer, on a half-step generation that never really got off the ground. There were a lot of PS2 era 3d platformers that didn't figure out their shit as well as SA did, so it deserves some credit. That was overall a really awkward time for those kinds of games, though.

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I love how one persistent autist came in the thread for the very purpose to fling shit at everybody.

23 fam, Sonic 2 & Bean machine cart for the genesis was my first sonic game.

I was born in 1995.

well there is hope for sonic generations 2. while the first game was short and the story was very short plenty of side shit to do but still no chao garden.
Like why can't they get that thru their heads that people like raising things. i mean people love it fucking look at pokemon its basically raising the same pokemon gen after gen.
least we are getting a good 2d sonic game and its music is pretty gud