Ace Combat General

Incompetent OP edition


EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT AC7 SO FAR [CONSTANTLY UPDATED]
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NEW TO ACE COMBAT?
Ace Combat is a series of arcade-y dogfighting sims where you pilot a multitude of fictional and real planes in various conflicts in the alternate world of Strangereal. This game isn't like other flight sims such as DCS world or EF2000, in that it doesn't strive for an absurd amount of realism in its flight model. Instead, Ace Combat is all about fun. Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown is the latest game in the series and will be releasing on the PS4 in 2017 with PSVR support.
If you want to try out the series, grab the latest PCSX2 build from here and use the settings pictured (or if you know what you're doing feel free to raise your graphics settings however you want): buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/index.php
or grab a PS2 and play Ace Combat 04, 5, and 0. Those are the best of the series and if you enjoy them you'll enjoy the rest. If you have an Xbox 360 then grab Ace Combat 6 (No idea whether it runs on Xenia). See the chart for any other games you may want to try.

DON'T HAVE ONE OF THE GAMES?
Well here you go:
Air Combat (Easily skippable but worth playing if you want to see where it all began):
mega.nz/#!hdNmFZDY!YpX7FmCVsIohCRz63Suc47Olo6iJ05YAouzHbaKBIZY
Ace Combat 2:
mega.nz/#!gclBRCoD!7qlCBsoq1GPWoD71j6dMYZ7W5J3CjgCSBAGMxDQpUac
Ace Combat 3 Electrosphere (patch included):
mega.nz/#!75IlHJ4a!329ckW93YlGhn9Bye7Q1lHyMNT7N78Cj6jFRbC_MUu4
Ace Combat 04 Shattered Skies:
mega.nz/#!NdVREDYJ!dyqiVVFiDkKgmPntWYgMBFpuTAPzr9vatDh5FVToJy4
Ace Combat 5 The Unsung War:
mega.nz/#!UNMmjL4A!LZZrDurory6YLs_6N7fWmj9XoAENrQboEJAtWeGe6rM
Ace Combat 0 The Belkan War:
mega.nz/#!cF1zRLiY!t1tVj7i3Oy9l9zirj40eUC-uqzRxNUj5RWrFpGixJ7k

EXTRA SHIT
Aces at War artbook:
mega.nz/#!j45AgabB!rCUE-drpxSpEO65gSfL_LR3Lk9MDRLzffMoeYAsujqs
Project Wingman (Fanmade game inspired by Ace Combat):
rb-d2.itch.io/wingman
Open Horizon (Open source implementation of Assault Horizon's renderer and physics with DFM removed, will eventually be able to play all earlier PS2/360 AC levels and custom maps):
zxstudio.org/blog/author/razgriz/

Other urls found in this thread:

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mega.nz/#!T9xTHb4a!qoR0vxy0By6odkEOAIhN8zfwimKVWGr-EsvMeJ-tvJQ
mega.nz/#!ahIj0T5J!lK6O9Lf2W9Zwouhg3FURgmKBcSYPpOHpSEtNIaP704c
dualshockers.com/2016/12/15/ace-combat-7-interview-producer-kazutoki-kono/
steamcommunity.com/id/furrets
nytimes.com/1977/05/01/archives/f-16-fighter-program-is-hurt-by-delays-government-accounting-office.html
breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/04/F-35-2013-SAR.pdf
acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/Trial_Mission
dualshockers.com/2016/12/19/ace-combat-7-radio-chatter-ace-combat-04-writer/
buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/index.php
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

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Newly translated interview with Kazutoki Kono by Famitsu:

pastebin.com/rzyBRS0z

60fps CONFIRMED

60 fps on normal ps4, or pro?
Is it 60 fps on both but on pro on a higher resolution or something?

Do we really need continuous Ace Combat generals when we still know nothing about 7 and there really isn't any other news? None of you fucks even play Infinity.

It's a good series.
I had to endure more than 20 threads of utter shit on Holla Forums today, shitposting, baiting, shit threads in general.
So i'll take an AC general over that fucking shit any day of the week.

given that they said they're still testing pro support, it's probably stable 60 on regular
which is good, because like hell i can afford a pro

Both models will be 60fps. Kono stated that 60fps is needed for PSVR, which is usable for both models. If I remember correctly, it's been stated that there won't be any functional differences between the normal and Pro models.

GAYce Combat
ahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahaha faggot

Boy that's embarrassing.

Except we DO know more about AC7. That's the entire reason that these threads are becoming more frequent. Either way though, this thread isn't dedicated to AC7. It is an Ace Combat GENERAL, after all.

I have 0, 4, 5, 6 on my backlog. Which order should I play them in?

I'd go with 4, 5, 0, and then 6. In reality, you can probably play them in any order and still enjoy them, but to me that seems like the best way to play.

Thanks user.

Here's your (you) I suppose.

Ace Combat 3's English translation was released, you mong.

Okay, enjoy these threads fizzling out before any discussion is had. Also generals are cancer.

You're certainly not helping discussion at all. You could be talking about AC3, speculating about AC7, trying to get a squadron going for Infinity, or admiring the soundtracks of 0,4,5, and 6. You could be talking about literally any of these things but instead you decided to bitch about nothing.

Here's your fuck you.

Nothin personnel, kid

Why are the physics in the later Ace Combat games Gimped?

Because the general public likes more arcadey flight mechanics.

Some gold from the interview:

By the way, I wanted to ask you something about the fans. Why are they all so weird? Which region’s voice is the loudest?
Kono: Naturally what reaches my ears most easily is that which I can understand in my native Japanese, but if you really consider the numbers, the number of voices from North America is overwhelmingly large. However, I think everyone worldwide was in agreement about wanting us to go back in the direction of the numbered titles, and that’s how Ace Combat 7 took shape. I’m quite relieved that everyone can get behind this one. (laughs)

I kind of agree with that we probably shouldn't have a general. It's enough to just make a recurring thread whenever the previous one dies. In practice it's almost the same thing, but without the massive and recurring OP. Also it would stop niggers like from him bitching about generals in the thread.

In a past interview (can't find source off the top of my head), Kono said that PS4 Pro was something they were going to tinker with after the base game was pretty much done. So I think it will be 60 fps on base PS4.
In fact, many PS4 Pro games suffer from lower framerates (and from frame drops), presumably because they're trying to render at a higher resolution. So AC7 is more likely to run in 60 fps on the base PS4.

Yes, but: 1) the VR missions are probably separate from the main campaign (since they've hinted at that in the past), and 2) rendering in PSVR is not like normal performance, because the resolution for PSVR is always 1080p, never more or less.

Sorry for posting multiple times in a row. Apparently replying to more than one post breaks submission. Fuck you, Codemonkey.


Release order, always.

This motherfucker gets it right here, and that's why your taste ends up being so damn good.

So what's best song in 3 then niggers?

Who's best company?

Also, I find it funny (see ) how even Nips know that Ace Combat fans are just a little autistic.

You tell me, user, I never played it.


Thanks, friend.

Cheers OP.

Frozen Soul best track.
Ouroboros best company because Sexually identify as a fighter jet.

If it's nearly the same thing either way then what's the point of not having a general. The info in the OP is genuinely useful for helping new players get into the games and keeping track of AC7 info. If that guy wanted to bitch and moan about generals then he should've spoken up during the last thread.

I'm just saying we shouldn't put "general" or "edition" in the thread title, in order to avoid triggering autists. Other than that, I'm fine with keeping everything the same.

Eh, I guess I can get behind that.

Goddamn it Belka

Why should they?

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Supposedly AC7 is gonna have a more realistic flight model, so we could be returning to something similar to AC3.


No problem dude. I'll try to add some of the spinoff games too later on.

Yo OP, you should add this shit to the pastebin:

What to do for black lines on PCSX2 while running on internal resolutions greater than native?

Nevermind resolved with the HW Hacks

Will do dudeman. It's a shame that 60fps will only be in VR mode, but I guess it should've been expected.

VR hate fags blown the fuck out.

And you bet there's going to be detail loss. Two view points at twice the framerate. In other words we are going to see what games this generation would really look like if they went for playability instead of being slideshows. They could of course run it at an abysmal resolution and upscale to compensate but that doesn't seem to bee the case from people having tested the demo. The worst part is what this is going this means for the CPU …

Even if there's some detail loss, the game clearly still looks fantastic in VR. If the graphical quality of the VR mode in the full game is the same as the VR demo, then the non-VR story mode is going to look incredible.

The big question is what kind of flightsticks would work. I'm playing AC3's translation right now on a CFW'd PS3 so I can use the PS3 flight stick I have with it.
I see there's the Hotas 4 and I suppose this particular one will work, but hopefully other PC/PS3 style sticks do as well.

Any anons here playing AC: Infinity with a flightstick? If so, share your experiences.

There are flight sticks compatible with the PS4, but there's no word on whether they'll be compatible with AC7. Let's hope that Project Aces releases an AC7 joystick like they did with AC6

I read about War Thunder on PS4, and it has custom USB drivers and a special config screen allowing it to work with PS3 or PC sticks.
Hopefully Bamco adds something of the sort for AC7 too.

I just got AC4 in the mail today. I hope I have fun, maybe some feels.

Dropped

this amused me

What the hell were you expecting? The previous games all ran at 30fps on console, why would this one be any different?

This pleases me.

It's such a fucking rush though, not knowing if you're gonna pull up in time, and then getting a missile shoved into your tailpipe because you lost so much energy. I'm so glad the fags who did the fan translation of JP's AC3 stuck with the project the whole way through. If you Project Nemo boys wander around here, kudos to you.

If AC7 did make the planes more weighty and used something like 6's High G mode, I'd be 100% behind that. Maybe that's what the flares are for, maybe the early builds of missions are a real genuine challenge so they added flares to give the player a tool to deal with the weight of flying a somewhat more realistic plane.

But if they went full arcade with 13G flips and multi-Kulbit maneuvers, I'd be down for that too. As long as it's fun.

Well I want it to be different because it's a new game on a new fucking generation. And the previous games ran at 60fps for your information

I won't ever play a new release that's under 60fps.

Should I dump my plane folder anons? I don't want to kill the thread though.

I'll take 1080p wallpaper ones. Could always start a thread on /wg/ as well.

That's still nearly half my folder. I'll hold off unless I get a specific request. I have nothing really Lockheed Have some Phantoms meantime.

Fuck me I need to tidy up my folder a bit

6 didn't.

The PS1 titles didn't either.

SInce we're dumping wallpapers, I might as well dump mine too, I also have some cool AC7 wallpapers.

if you fags are going to dump wallpapers at least dump MiGs

Playing 4, this desert mission is really boring after all the hype shit of the past few missions. How much longer is the game, should I start downloading 5 yet? Or 0, I'm still not sure which one is best played first.

R E L E A S E O R D E R

Not all of them are 1920x1080, but all of them have a 16:9 aspect ratio, so it'll still fit on any screen with that aspect ratio.

That second pic is fucking garbage

Make a better one, then.

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stop posting that fat useless turd

How can I make it better? I'm willing to fuck around in photoshop to rearrange shit if you can make a good case.

Make a chart listing pros and cons, you can really say that some games (except Assault Horizon and Advance) are really better or worse, many of them like 1&2 are products of their time, very arcade games.

No. We are not doing this shit again. It happens every fucking thread.

Make a better chart then, you zero-effort nigger.

It's a lifting body you mong.

Huh? No thanks :)

Please don't humor him. Can we please have one fucking thread without an F-35 shitfest? Calm your autism, both of you.

Just make it to the end. You'll love it, promise. Especially if you know a little Latin or are able to resist the urge to look up spoiler-ish stuff until after you're done. And if you enjoy feeling like a huge badass, wait until you run into Yellow 13 in the skies.

Also if one somewhat dull mission is enough to kill your drive, I don't know if you'll make it through 5. 5 has some radical shit and muh peace, muh Razgriz, but some of the missions do get dull.

Save Zero for last. You can tell they improved with each game they made, and Zero is one of the best entries in the series, if not THE best.

for good fucking reason

I think this is about the last of the irl pics I have, time to move on to AC7 wallpapers.

I understand your frustration, but there comes a time in every man's life when he has to stand up and defend his planefu.

This is that time.

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No. It's a god damn plane. If you want to bitch and moan about defense management or LockMart then fuck off to Holla Forums or Holla Forums. This is a thread about video games and planes.


I sympathize, but at the same time this is not the place and it just starts unneeded drama that leads to massive walls of text that aren't even related to the thread topic.

One or more dull missions aren't enough to kill my drive, I'm just pointing out when I think something's (relatively) bad. That mission felt like it had very little direction, either could have been cut or given more interesting shit. It's similar to that mission in the mountains with buildings in holes and those submarine ports you have to shoot into, except without the cool targets.
I kinda feel like I don't have enough plane-autism to fully appreciate this series, just shooting shit in a desert is probably fun if you're flying your planefu.

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And that's the last of what I've got. Hope you all enjoy these wallpapers.

Thanks, friend.

So what are the best tools to mount the isos anons? Haven't done this in an age and wonder if there is something better than Daemontools

You don't need to mount them when you use PCSX2, but sure daemon tools will do fine. That's what I use so I haven't put much research into alternatives.

WinCDEmu

Jesus fuck muh dick, that was amazing.
Time for 5, this time in glorious 60 FPS at higher resolution since I can run it in hardware mode instead of software with 1 frameskip.

PCSX2 is really shaping up well.
I can't believe how well this and Silent Hill 2 are running.

Get ready for some good shit user

5 is my favorite one, and Nagase is best waifu.

Post lewds.

Did you enjoy your confrontation with 13 and the Megalith? I love that the higher-ups call off your allies so Mobius 1 can fight the Yellow squadron alone.

The fight with the yellows at the capital was pretty great, though holy fuck were they sticking to my ass like weebs to an anime pillow. It's almost like they had some kind of grudge against me :'^).
Megalith mission was just constant chills down my spine, fuck that was awesome. Kinda sucked that I got some pretty bad slowdowns during this one, though. I'll definitely replay this game on higher difficulties if they manage to fix the hardware mode problems. 5 is running smooth as butter at 2x resolution with some other settings turned up a bit as well.


I have experience in programming, though not at all related to emulators. Might look into PCSX2's source code some time though, the game deserves to run better.

They updated the patch, so I re-did the prepatched version:

Ace Combat 3 - Electrosphere (Eng IE 2.0) fixed, again.7z
mega.nz/#!T9xTHb4a!qoR0vxy0By6odkEOAIhN8zfwimKVWGr-EsvMeJ-tvJQ

I also made a version that should run on PSPs, but I haven't actually tried it.

Ace Combat 3 IE 2.0 PSP.rar
mega.nz/#!ahIj0T5J!lK6O9Lf2W9Zwouhg3FURgmKBcSYPpOHpSEtNIaP704c

I'll be weird not having all the buttons but Im out a PC atm, so I really appreciate this.

There is a criminally low amount of Nagase porn

IT'S BEAUTIFUL

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Holy shit. And this is WITH the detail loss. GOTY 2017?

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OH FUCK IT LOOKS GOOD, WE'RE IN THE BLACK

Been playing Ace 2 a lot lately before I head into Ace 3
I played Air Combat as well all 3 ps2 games

new interview with kono
dualshockers.com/2016/12/15/ace-combat-7-interview-producer-kazutoki-kono/


KK: The protagonist is going to be more in line with the 4 and 5 iterations of Ace Combat, which is a faceless, very neutral, pilot


KK: if the chance presents itself, then I would like to explore it, absolutely.


KK: Yes, Kobayashi Keiki-san. He was invaluable in the past compositions for the soundtracks of the world, and in Ace Combat 7 he will be making a return. It is really the dream team. I think right now as we speak he is in Japan recording with an orchestra.

HISTORIA STATUS: __CUM__


KK: It is going to be on an island south-west of the Usea continent.

so the Orbital Elevator is somewhere >pic related

This can probably be interpreted as "if AC7 is a financial success, yes." Get hyped boys, we could get the Holy trinity with AC7-tier graphics.

Oops forgot to actually reply

I know that it's just a demo, but the lack of hype COMM banter is worrying me a bit. Part of what makes Ace Combat so great is all the shit that allies and enemies say during a mission.

I want to bully Fareeha

I only played Chamber of Secrets and Prisoner of Azkaban.

I remember Azkaban looking much nicer, but I also remember getting much more frustrated with some of it it. To the point where the game crashing on the final level near the end made me stop playing.

A lot of normalfags are closet pedos? I thought that was common knowledge

her breasts are too big

Play modded skyrim

Any more rumors other than guacamelle Christmas?

If the F-35 or anything above Gen 4 really is your planefu then I have deep concerns about your taste.

Yes really. Great reveal.

Video games were a mistake.

That was risky.

Why didn't Light go for the proxy base instead?

How can I play this

I'd settle for a simple port.

I haven't played the PS1 games. Do they play much differently from the PS2 ones?


If it's any of reassurance, the VR part of the game is separate from the main campaign.

bui here

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Beat it 8 days ago because backer. Lost interest

bui here

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Lewd.

bui here

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heroes of might and magic 3

bui here

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They're the bad guys in the mage's guild questline.

bui here

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People usually either think VLR>999 or 999>VLR

Everyone agrees ZTD is absolute shit though

bui here

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The Witness is good, and has some challenging puzzles

Ace1 is very arcadey but also kind of fun ie the planes feel "less weighty" despite the lack of additional controls like Triangle camera lock on, Special weapons, replay, etc. (3 being the exception for reasons)

This nigger gets it!
Anything under Gen 4 is acceptable.
Gen 4.5 is pushing it but means you are a /loli/ lover.
Gen 5 you belong on /hebe/ you sick fuck!

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this is d.va. say something nice about her

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As an rpg fan who felt a root canal playing 80+ hours of FFXIII and had no hope for versus/XV at any point, it's my game of the fucking year. Some better non fedex quests, more plot and extra content could easily push it into my top five w/j rpgs of all time.

It was Chris' attempt a joke that a cave man would need to be told twice or some shit like that.

(why should I like the Hun? I get the others but the Hun is downright ugly)


I don't see what's not to like. The J-20 is pretty ugly with its massive fucking canards, but that's about it.

user I am sorry to say this but bitch be a golddigger. She is only after your money and will only let you inside her if you pay heavy up front. She will not love you like a real women would.

I still like the F-15 S/MTD.

I wonder what kind of fictional planes there'll be in 7.

So you are saying people that like Gen 5 aircraft are pedophiles?

Only Lightning is a golddigger? Nigger that's most main fighters. The F-16 and EF2000 come to mind as two other planes that were known to be behind schedule and expensive during their development.

In fact, the way the F-35 is criticized is eerily similar to how the F-16 was criticized in the 70s. It was overbudget by billions of dollars, years behind schedule, and called a Lemon by a certain coattail-riding hack for its "needless" multirole capability. The media latches onto this shit like a leech since they have a vested interest in generating outrage: nytimes.com/1977/05/01/archives/f-16-fighter-program-is-hurt-by-delays-government-accounting-office.html


Who doesn't like the F-15 S/MTD?

You're a fucking retard, he's talking about all Gen 5 not just singling out one.

Let's be honest here, the F-35 is the only one that really gets shit on for its cost. I've never once heard someone complain about the T-50 or J-20's unit cost or development costs, even though they're still high relative to their predecessors. The F-22 gets some criticism, but nowhere near as much as it deserves.

Maybe because the vast majority of people who post here have don't have their taxes wasted on the T-50 of J-20.

Then the people don't know shit or you must be kind of new, Operational costs of the F-22 are beyond sustainable and sorry for all the F-22 fags out there but in 10 years that plane will be out of service. T-50 and J-20 will most likely have the same issue. There is no fucking way on hell's earth you could have these aircraft on mass without bankrupting your military. Funny enough the EF2000 is actually good for this, EF2000 is insanely cheap to operate sort of like how a brand new F-16 are. Everyone focuses on the Unit cost of the aircraft not in running it which is by far the most important. F-16 was unfairly attacked since nobody talked about cheap it was to operate which is very cheap which negates a lot of the costs funny enough the Pentagon hate the F-16 cause it wasn't expensive enough. The F-35 when you factor in operational costs of the aircraft is being attacked rather fairly, it is far too expensive to replace the F-16 fleet. I have no idea why the F-22 isn't attacked more often, I know /k/ woke the fuck up to it when they discovered the Operational costs and figured out why the F-15 fleet hadn't been replaced yet.

If you are still confused to what I mean about Operational Costs vs Unit Costs and why it's a big deal then I will explain it simply.
Unit Costs are literally the costs of buying the entire aircraft and can actually be ignored a lot for the simple reason you do not have to buy them up front, you can buy them over a period of years, like pay $50mill for a brand new Gripen over a period of 5-10 years. The manufacturers of the aircraft actually prefer this since it means they will have a steady source of income coming in and countries like this cause they can buy brand new shinny planes without bankrupting their Air Force.
Operational Costs are generally the cost to operate per flight hour which include the cost of fueling the aircraft, maintenance, repairs and spare parts. They do have to be paid up front which means the higher they are the far less affordable an aircraft really is. They also go up drastically as an aircraft ages, which means a 25 year old F-16 for example is x3 more expensive to operate than a brand new one. Just imagine what an F-22 costs will be like when it's 25 years old?

tl;dr Gen 5 is just far too fucking expensive to maintain a sizeable air fleet of which is why all the planes suck.

Also should note that for example an aircraft that costs $100mill to buy is peanuts if you are planning 2,000 flight hours for it per year and it costs something like $60,000 per flight hour to operate. That's $120mill per year on just maintaining the aircraft.

Except that in unit cost it's the second cheapest 5th gen fighter (after the T-50) and delivers far greater built-in capability than its rivals in the international market, which means that militaries won't have to waste money on sensor pods, which further lowers overall cost. While it's certainly not the cheapest plane on the market, it doesn't have to be. It's marketed the same way the F-16 was marketed, a fighter that's more expensive than its competition but makes up for it in capability, long-term cost savings, and by being future-proof.

The F-35 would have to have Operational costs below $10,000 per hour when new to viable. At the moment it's sitting between $30,000-60,000
F-22 is around $60,000 per hour, to be a viable replacement for the F-15 it would need to get that below $25,000 when new.

For comparisons a brand new F-16 is $7,000 per hour to operate and F-15 is $15,000. Old F-16's sit at $20,000 per hour and old F-15's sit between $30,000-40,000. That is a monumental difference in costs. To replace the F-15 and F-16 fleet with F-22's and F-35's just in the USAF and keep them for 25+ years they would either need to triple the budget or more likely reduce the active aircraft in the US inventory by two thirds which is close to about 800 planes.

According to the DoD, the F-16s that the USAF operates costs around $25,500 per flight hour. I have no idea where you're getting that absurdly low number from. While this is still cheaper than the F-35A's ~$32,000 per flight hour operating cost, the F-35A is also predicted to be flying less hours per year (250 hours compared to the F-16s 316 hours) because it doesn't need as much flight time to complete it's missions. So in the end the total operating costs don't end up much higher, if at all.

Source:
breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/04/F-35-2013-SAR.pdf

Did 4, 5 and 0?

Yes.

I don't think you've read his post at all. He's comparing the costs of brand new F-16's and F-15's to one's that are 25 years old which are the one's currently in US inventory. You can also easily get the cost of a brand new F-16 to operate from most European nations.

Source?
>inb4 PCSX2 says 60

He was pretty clearly comparing them to the F-22 and F-35. While it's a lot harder to defend the F-22's operating and unit costs, the F-35's are perfectly defensible. Many of the countries that are buying F-35s are buying them to replace their older F-16s, many of which are just as old as the ones in the American fleet. Many will still retain their newer F-16s until they become too old. Only the US is really planning on totally replacing their F-16 fleet with F-35s, and even then there's a push to retain a certain number of F-16s to operate as drone attack aircraft.

My eyes.

He also compared them to older aircraft as well, again read the post entirely.
No they are not, they are just as bad as the F-22's. You can't have a plane just coming into service that costs the same as your current aircraft operate, especially if many of your current aircraft are 30 years old. That pretty much means that 30 years down the line you will have a collossal hole in your budget and will have no air force since you can't afford it. Are you thick or do not understand that aircraft as they get older get a fuckton more expensive to operate? I thought that was a very clear point.

Like pottery made from Belkan clay.
Just like play game, you faggots.

Would you buy pottery made and crafted from Belka's precious clay?

If Osea has ancient Belkan clay pottery in a museum, do they try to retrieve it for it's historical appeal or so they can break it and spread it on the ground?

Osea pls gibe back rightful clay

Both

You seem to not realize that every successive generation of fighters have always been more expensive on average both in operational and unit costs since the beginning of aviation. While there are certain exceptions (F-5 family comes to mind), but they are rare and always need to make sacrifices to attain their cost. However, even if you decided to just keep your old fighters to potentially avoid higher operational costs, you still wouldn't actually save money, as the operational costs would eventually rise to match the new fighter anyways, and so you would end up paying the same amount as a brand new fighter but you wouldn't get any of the benefits of said new fighter because you stuck with the old fighter like a retard. This is the point we have reached with the F-16 in the US and her allies, and we had reached that point before when we brought the F-16 into service. We NEED a new fighter to replace the F-16, and currently the F-35 seems to be the best long-term solution.

Why am I not surprised?
Also Belkan Clay is worthless!

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT I LEAVE FOR ONE FUCKING DAY AND THE THREAD DERAILED INTO F-35 DRAMA AGAIN

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE ONE. FUCKING. DISCUSSION. WITHOUT SOME BULLSHIT DRAMA THAT DOESN'T EVEN BELONG IN THE THREAD?!


NO. You do NOT get to just pin this on the LockMart shill. That discussion was OVER until came along and revived it. THE BLAME IS SQUARELY ON ALL OF YOU FUCKING AUTISTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST LET AN OFF-TOPIC DISCUSSION DIE. Nooooo, you just HAVE to wave your DICKS around until one side gets too tired to fill this thread with any more WALLS OF FUCKING TEXT THAT AREN'T EVEN RELATED TO THE GOD DAMN THREAD.


This guy gets it. Thank god I'm not the only sane human here. Just play the god damn game and have some fun.

I blame Lockheed shill since he is always the one that instigates it, even looking through those posts it's clear he turns what started out looking like fun shitposting about Planifu's into drama. Although yes the fault does lay with those who take up his bait, really everyone should just hide LockMarts post's as soon as he appears and ignore him. It's such fucking obvious bait.

Anyway which game made you cum historia the most?

Flare payload is below your special weapons on the HUD. Also, did anyone else see that sick QAAM corkscrew towards the end? It came around like 3 times until it hit.

If you look back at the thread, technically it was MY fault that it started because I decided to dump fighter jet wallpapers that included the F-35, and then some autist piped up and told me to stop posting fighter jets in an Ace Combat thread. That's how all of this started and I seriously regret thinking that anyone can have any kind of sane conversation here.

Worst day of my life

Narrow Margin is easily my favourite mission as far as radio chatter is concerned, the atmosphere is amazing and it's a shame it's position at the start of the game results in it being so simple

You deluded fool! You should have known better! I am sorry user, you should have posted Nagase porn, it would be safer!
In fact I hereby decree that posting planes in Ace Combat threads are illegal unless there is a cute girl inside them doing lewd things

Actually looking back it's this guy's fault, he started posting planes so other people started doing the same. He literally started the fire.

Meant for
Fugged up.

Also, why is Ace Combat 4 rated as more cheesy than 5? 5 had Chopper, intentionally comedic dialogue, and a more anime plot. 4 has all srs cutscenes. In 5, you can use your radio to respond to a dog riding in the back of another plane. Not to mention how utterly bleeding-heart the squadron is; they come off as parodies of liberals.

5 is way cheesier than 4.


Your military really was totally incompetent, weren't they?


What if the planes are cute girls?

Am I going insane?
Am I in the crappy universe where AC4 doesn't have 19 missions?

Maybe you're thinking of trial missions?
acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/Trial_Mission

Cute plane girls you say?

The one and only plane girl.

I need help with emulating AC3… I've spent an hour messing with the plugins, but I can't get it right, the game runs at an extreme speed, merely touching the analog/dpad makes my plane spin uncontrollably. The dialog portions of the game play just right, but the flying is simply unplayable. Yes, even after limiting the FPS, it doesn't seem to do anything.

Help, please?

Emulator: epsxe (video plugin: Pete's OpenGL2 GPU core

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No idea what you could be doing wrong, I was able to get it working relatively easily in ePSXe.

Everything apart from the actual flying gameplay is perfect. It's like playing at 10x speed.

Does switching to soft-plugin mode help at all? F7 switches it during gameplay iirc.

I'm about to go to sleep, but if you're still around tomorrow then I'll post my settings to see if they help. Maybe just try turning up graphics settings until it runs at a normal framerate.

Please do.


I'll try that…

Nope. Didn't work. Still plays like it's on fast forward. I've tried both "fast" and "nice" settings, and even setting fps limit to low numbers. It simply doesn't work.

MORE GOOD NEWS

kono is like assembling the avengers for this game.

fropm the looks of it, AC7 will be up there with the holy trinity.

forgot sauce

dualshockers.com/2016/12/19/ace-combat-7-radio-chatter-ace-combat-04-writer/

I'm starting AC4 right now, up to mission 8. The radio chatter right now feels like placeholder dialogue, but pretty good placeholders. I personally like it. I really want AC7 to be good, I hope it doesn't get too caught up in VR who-ha. I take this as a good sign.

Historia cum indeed

Any thoughts on this hypothesis? The guy in the video sounds like a fag but he seems to bring up some good points.

It simply can't be true.

Yellow 13 is confirmed dead, and that guy is a colossal faggot.

Looks like the same first mission you do in 4, with the island that has the crater.

I knew coming here was a mistake.

AKTCHUALLY Ace Combat 04, 5, and Zero all run at 60 fields per second, so if your de-interlaceing mode prefers to keep each field as one frame it is effectively 60fps. Otherwise if the deinterlaceing mode make heavy use of blending, the result is 30fps but the image is very ghosty and feels smoother than 30fps normally does.

Get with the times grandpa. Use Mednafen, preferably through RetroArch where that have also added OpenGL and Vulkan rendering.

There's nothing better than AC radio chatter to make you feel like a God of Death raining ruin upon your enemies.

The desert mission in 04 is a standout moment, you can practically feel the panic of the enemy when they realize Mobius One is there with them.

I played through all of it and no.
Only things I can remember about it is that it's primarily a ground base assault in a mountain range but there's top-tier planes trying to fuck your shit up throughout.

Probably Ace Combat 5's Operation Katina which takes place after the war. You fight a Squadron of X-02s at the end of it.

Can somebody reupload 3? The link isn't working

Sorry he did that to you, user. But I mean, it is a 15-year-old game. Zero came out after that, and tons of Pixy memes basically spoil it, too.

It's okay. You still have 5 and 0 to play

What are you talking about, buddy?

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The picture for GSdx says you can use 2x Anisotropic Filtering, but on my end it's greyed out and I can't change it. Is there some setting I've gotta tick to bump it up?

Also will the games shit the bed if I use MSAA in the HW hacks?

sage for double post

YO BUDDY, STILL ALIVE?

Untick use 8bit textures.
And yes the game is gonna shit itself with MSAA.

Thanks

One more question: are the speedhacks in this older image still correct? Particularly fast CDVD

Yeah MTVU still fucks performance, and the other don't break anything, the only difference is that now you can set the EE cyclerate to overclock instead of underclock it doesn't seem to change much but it should reduce slowdown (see pic related)

Much appreciated. The only AC game I've played is 6 and that was only for a short while, so I'm gonna start at 4 I think and work my way up

Also this artbook is RADICOOL

An by that I mean the slowdown inherent to the game not the one caused by your computer not being able to emulate fullspeed )

Anyone have that one belkaball comic where Erusea declares war on Osea thanks to Belka?

I don't think it's Erusea, I think it's yuktobania. This is the only one I have similar to it

I know the one you're talking about, but I'm not sure if I have it. Need to organize my AC images.

Have some Belkaball while I organize my stuff.

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I think it's an edit of that one or something. The way I remember it was Osea getting a note the same way as this comic, but he realizes its a Belkan trick pretty quick. He hears scream behind him and it shows Erusea enraged over a note that says "X-02 a shit"

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Relatively-recent-laptopfag here, played 4 in software mode perfectly except for two missions just by setting frameskip to draw 1 skip 1. Did not know about the MTVU thing, probably would have made it perfect or even possible to run without frameskip.
5 is running perfectly with hardware mode if you use a dev build instead of the standard one, and use the settings provided on PCSX2's wiki. So the image in is horribly outdated.

The missing clouds and borked HUD are triggering my autism so I just use SW but yeah If can look past that 5 is pretty much perfect in HW.

Right here.

I don't know what you're doing wrong but 5 has Clouds for me. 5 and 0 are known to be running perfectly on PCSX2 now.

Yeah that's the one! Thanks dude.

glory to Belka

Just tried it. All I get is a blackscreen.

I'm getting pissed. Fuck emulation…

You sure about that? I'm running the latest pretty much (1.5.0-dev-1705) and I have missing clouds.

Here's a picture of my ePSXe settings right here. Hope it helps.

user do you not know how to print screen?

First time I'm playing Ace Combat 4 holy fuck what a blast. I haven't felt this rush with a game in years.

Punch in the amount of Vram you have. It can be that your GFX card is on "sleep" because that emulator doesnt use much otherwise. I had that problem with other gives and that fixed it.

See why you used spoiler text? Because you know what it's intended for.

I forgot. I'm sorry I'm such a failure.

No big deal, have this comfy doggo to feel better.

Forgot to reply properly

maybe I just have early-onset alzheimer's

Like clockwork

???

I just rewatched the trailer for the 1,294,347th time and I have a theory about this F-104 here:

This F-104 is strange. It has no markings and no weapons, not even the wingtip fuel tanks that Starfighters were commonly equipped with. The no markings part is consistent with the other planes we've seen so far, but we still don't know the reason. The fact that it has no weapons is extremely strange though. It's the only plane in the trailer with absolutely no external weapons equipped, and unlike most of the century series fighters, the F-104 doesn't have internal weapons bays. This means that this F-104 is flying with almost no way to defend itself; who knows if it even has a loaded gun.

Judging from the mention of "convicts" and the fact that the planes have no markings, I'm willing to bet that the player is part of a squadron of either POWs or disgraced fighter aces, forced by the Osean government to fight on their side of the war and go on high-risk suicide missions. I would imagine that these pilots wouldn't be especially happy about their situation, and would be looking to escape.

This is where those F-104s come in.

Maybe the player and his squadron will orchestrate a plan to escape at one point, and have to take off with whatever planes they can easily get their hands on, which could be what this F-104 is. They have no time to equip it with weapons or even external fuel tanks, they need to take off and get out of there fast, and if the F-104 is anything, it's fast.

This sequence could be very unique for an Ace Combat game. Instead of using your skills as an Ace to hunt down other pilots, you are now the one being hunted. You will need to use all the skills at your disposal to avoid and escape other highly skilled pilots who are actively trying to intercept and shoot you down, all the while making your way to Erusean airspace.

That was already done in AC5 m8, was this long extremely boring mission with pops while the 8492nd chases you and your squad while you fly unarmed trainer jets.

I played the game too dude, I remember. The scenario I'm describing is a bit different. There wont be any bullshit island this time, all that's separating you from the enemy pilots is your own skill. You will have to actively avoid the missiles and gunfire of other pilots until you can make it to Erusea. To me, that seems like a far better mission.

Either way though, Kono stated that it will be similar to AC4 and 5, so we might get similar sequences in AC7.

You need a PS1 bios placed into RetroArch's "system" folder. I thought everyone knew this already.

I know that's native resolution, but it actually is intended to be stretched for 4:3, and if you have 16:9 mode on then stretched all the way to that.


I don't know what's more retarded, that you are using ePSXe when Mednafen exists or that you took a photo of your fucking screen.

This game will be shit, and you should feel bad OP

Here's your (you).

I think I'd prefer to escape in a plane that could actually turn instead of pitching up and considering a turn for a couple of minutes.

Actually, that would be kinda cool. It would be legit difficult to have to avoid and escape aircraft that are significantly more capable than you. You can't turn for shit, all you have is speed, you have to avoid letting your enemies lead you into a turning dogfight that you could never win. Different tactics depending on the aircraft could be fun in Ace Combat and add some depth to the multiplayer.

PCSX2 takes screenshot at framebuffer res if you press F8, it's in 4:3 on my screen.

Oh interesting. I always use dxtory for screenshots so I never ran into that.

I think they have said in an interview that the F-104 is important to the story.
Space joustings hype.

Can someone make a .webm of this? I'm too lazy/incompetent to do it properly.

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Mein seids

The Hitler one was great.

Why is it that Ace Combat of all series has the best overall soundtracks?

Don't know but have more good songs.

Here, but spoilered because I don't want to veer the thread off track too much.


Because talent.

Whoops, that one quote got used twice on accident.

Many thanks kind user

Honestly one of the things that excites me most about this new game is that we'll be getting a ton of brand-new amazing music.

Are there any good remixes of Ace Combat music? All I'm finding is either piano covers or generic rock shit.

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Glorious.

Has anyone played this game on the Wii? I was thinking of getting it if it's decent enough.

I haven't played it myself, but I've heard it's alright. Supposedly it's basically an Ace Combat spinoff. I might try emulating it on Dolphin if it doesn't require the Wiimote to control.

Okay, also I read online that you can play it with the other wii controllers (classic, pro, Gamecube).

Nice. I guess I'll check it out myself.

Also for anyone who hasn't seen the movie this game's based off of, check it out. Pretty much anyone who likes Ace Combat would enjoy this film.

If anything, I'm excited because 7 will have another god tier OST

I got bored so I did a thing

breddy gud

Infinity has some remixes.

Now I know you guys were complaining about F-35 drama, but the president does not care.

I was about to post that lel

If you want to blindly suck Trump's dick go to Holla Forums.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME OR THE FUCKING PLACE

How many of you are still holding out hope that AC7 gets a PC port? Because it almost certainly won't.

Assault Horizon got one but Sony do seem to be keeping AC7 close to their chest, with the PSVR thing.

Donald J Trump is the next president of the United States of Amercia.
Bernie Sanders & Hillary Clinton are corrupt officials that never stood a chance against a real man of character.

Sponge bob was never funny, but your salty tears are hilarious.

Reminder to ignore and filter derailers.

I didn't support any of them, but I still voted for Trump because I was fed up with the DNC. All I'm saying is that Holla Forums tends to support him no matter what he says or does. I don't support blind faith in anyone or anything.

Straight from the demon legends

Would Trump gib back Belkan Clay?

Trump is going to make After Burner real.

Greetings fellow Oseans, I think today is good day to return Belka's rightful clay. Wouldn't you agree?

I rather have the Super Hornet Block 3 than the F-35, with a F-15 Silent Eagle as well.

Lockheed Martin doesn't want to fix up/improve the Raptor. They want to focus on their ugly shitbox.

YES, RETURN CLAY. Clay is love. Clay is life.

I believe it would also be fair if Osea gave Belka rightful reparations in extra clay.

Yes comrade, they should return rightful clay.

They also don't want to relicense to Sega…

Yes. Clay belongs to Belka. Osea should return clay to Belka. Would help Osea's country to return clay.

Sega had a Lockheed Martin license? I remember them helping with the Model 3 arcade board.

Yeah, the Tomcat was in After Burner Climax and After Burner Black Falcon.

The Silent Eagle is more expensive than the F-35 though, according to Boeing. It's mostly marketed to countries that want an upgrade for their F-15s, such as Japan and South Korea, rather than ones that can't afford the F-35 at all.

The F-22 would be extremely expensive to salvage at this point. It has a lot of systems, including its avionics, which are built on a computer architecture that hasn't been in production for over a decade now. It would take a significant overhaul and the development of a brand new variant to bring the F-22 back into production. With the estimated cost of all of this, you might as well just develop an entirely new fighter.

Oh right, Lockheed Martin got Northrop Grunman's assets.

Could you imagine being the commander of an AA gun in Ace Combat? You're pretty much dead right off the bat.

TIL that in the Strangereal universe the F-35 was developed by Belka

Do you need a safe space, user?

See this post

I voted for Trump, but I don't blindly support everything he does. Nobody deserves that much faith.

I was more hoping to post my collection of screaming triggered lefties. Also didn't check IDs.

Unfortunately this is most certainly not the thread to do that in, even though I would probably enjoy it. This is an Ace Combat thread, politics don't belong here.

Pretty much the best thing in Vector Thrust, the AA guns aren't hard to avoid but they're accurate as hell and will fuck you up in one volley if you start flying straight for too long.

I still hope that AC7 will have some music like this. Imagine the somber atmosphere this would give if you're part of a convict squadron being sent on a suicide mission. You'll be killed if you retreat, you'll be killed if you advance, so all you can do is fight for your life.

Ace Combat 6 port any day now my PC brethren!
I got a used 360 last week and my copy of AC6 arrived this week.


No but he'd make sure they have a right to secure borders.


You made me post this user. It's all your fault.

Just finished getting them all set up. It's glorious.

Arranged them more properly

Here's the steam banners also if anyone wants them. I made the AC1 and AC2 ones myself.

I sincerely hope no newbies try playing in this order, otherwise going from Zero to the first game in the series is gonna be a wild ride.

Agreed. The only reason I don't have zero after 5 is because Steam doesn't let me freely rearrange games.

Are you ready to dance with the angels?


Thanks, user.

Here's an Ace Combat 6 one too for when Xenia can boot it in a playable state.

Just recently discovered Ace Combat series holy shit.Finished 4 and 5 so far.This is one of the very few games where I binged played and enjoyed a lot.During Ace Combat 5 mission 4 I had goosebumps throughout all the mission, at one point I almost cried out of joy I was experiencing.


Thanks to Holla Forums infographic pic about PS2 recommended games I discovered this gem.

Now to finish Zero and start gitting gud and beating campaign on harder and harder difficulties.

You're in for a wild fuckin ride user. After Zero I would recommend playing 3. It's really the only PS1 Ace Combat worth playing. After that get 6 if you have a 360. 6 is cheesy as hell but it's still really good. Once you're done with 6 get hyped for 7, it's looking really fucking good so far.

it's going to be over soon enough at least.

Zero is as god tier as 4 and 5, maybe even more depending on your taste. Prepare for insane ace squad battles, no borders and hype spanish guitars.

For some reason I never could finish Zero, I got bored half way through. I'll get back to it soon though.

So, is there a reference or a guide for emulating AC04 on PCSX2? So far I manged to fix most graphical issues but the game still noticeably slows down outside of the menus.

Sounds like you need to finish what you started buddy

What are your specs? Have you enabled MUTU (for multi core CPU`s)?

No, I'll try that. Also pic related, disregard the retarded RAM. My CPU is currently under load too, and I am overclocking it. I'll also have to try when it's not as such.

Do not actually do that, it reduces performance across all the AC games

With an FX-8320 you'll have to set the extra rendering thread in you GPU plugin to 6 or 7 (make sure your cooling can handle the full fury of your CPU at near 100%) you could also try different backend for the software plugin it shouldn't change performance but I do get significantly better speeds from the OGL one when I use software, you'll also have to restrict yourself to cockpit or HUD only view since external is way more intense.

AC5 and 0 shouldn't require software mode anymore depends on your autism levels.

Guys

Maybe Erusea is attacking Osea to return rightful Belkan clay

Belkanon, you need to accept that Belkan clay is never going to be returned.

Get out of here, Osean pig.

GLORY TO BELKA

LONG LIVE BELKA

You are in the holy land of Belka, foreign scum.

BELKA ABOVE ALL

Not so fast it seems.

Saw that coming from a million miles away. Please stop with the F-35posting though, It's still off-topic.

I'm getting vertical lines when playing AC5. I was trying to make it work with 1080 but it failed. I even tried following the wiki and enabling "align sprite" in HW Hacks. Then I tried following the OP and the vertical lines are gone but I ran into ground missing glitch. What should I do here?

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Don't use Custom res, use 2x or 3x res
Don't use DX9, use DX11
From the looks of it you're using a way older build get yourself a newer one here buildbot.orphis.net/pcsx2/index.php

From there just use align sprites hack and activate mipmapping from the settings or the hotkey (ins)

This