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Around somewhere 60 miles per hour the death rate rises exponentially, so chances are you're end up as a red stain anyway.
That said is right. Meanwhile airbags can only royally fuck you, there's also a good chance that even a minor accident will total your car because insurance won't pay to replace an airbag + the firing system.
Lastly, you should really read about the problems the forced introduction of airbags caused, esp. the sensors that detect whether a seat is supposed to be occupied (as opposed to having bag on it).

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Nader is polarising for Americans because of all the efforts he made to protect people from themselves rather than letting nature take its course to create a better, smarter, wiser humanity.

side airbags decrease like 50% of injury and are the reason why they havent gone and just covered the entire window in sheet metal (which they practically do with how little you can see now) to pass crash safety
also, who gives to fucks about your old shitty car that gets totaled by fucking airbags, its most likely a fucking shitbox

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Good for Nadar calling this out however he effed over the car industry. Cars are designed by lawyers now. Nadar is a miser also.

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Apparently the answer to crash safety is to make the vehicles completely incapable of recovering from a skid and removing your ability to see outside the car. No one ever got it right except Volvo with their 6 steel pillars, each of which can support the weight of the car.

Maybe he'll call him out as Jonny Wetstart next.

If you havn't discoverd, La Rouche was even more based.

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Exactly and Tucker introduced a lot of safety features, both of which were market driven. Regulations are getting so bad that self-driving hands off cars will be all that's left, thanks to the Nadars of the world. A comedian once said, "what happend to not running into shit?"

The Corvair was brilliantly designed btw and actually "oversteered" like normal cars people are used to. A great achievement by the engineers at the time for a rear engine car which typically understeers. Notice Nadar didn't attack Porche, VW or other foreign cars.

It's a shame that we all have to suffer because many people are too stupid to figure out how to use oversteer. Do they even make cars that you can get into a parking space with a single steering input anymore?

Saabs had the best rollover protection while not making impossible to see when merging or backing up

not really, US DOT/NHTSA law on cars has always been completely fucked in the head, nader didnt create seal beam headlamps or 5mph bumpers, and he definitely didnt advocate loosening NHTSA 5mph bumper restrictions or not making automakers publish repair cost for MVICS, which is why replacing a bumper now can cost $2500 you wont even know it until it happens

Can you tell me how Saab achieved this? At least a good search term. I want to know more.

5mph bumpers are a paramount example of uglier and more expensive cars thanks to know it alls telling people what they can and can't drive.

Also, crash testing is the single biggest hurdle for car start ups. They have to crash millions of dollars in prototypes just to prove their safe to the Nadars of the world.

Aptera may have had better roll over than Saab and Volvo, with their fully encapsulated egg shell monococ design. They were wiped out because they didn't get grants and funding like Tesla etc. Brilliant achivement otherwise with on a shoestring budget and no gov handouts.

Wow, they managed to make a round design look good.

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BMW(virgin bavarian) vs Saab(chad swede)

5mph bumper was so all your lights and turn signals dont shatter into a million peices from a parking lot crash as part of MVICS, 5mph law was gotten rid of in the 1980s and prices of fixing a car from a 5mph crash doubled overnight pratically since carmakers apparently started making bumpers out of tinsel and papermache

Poor little BMW.

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No the 5mph bumpers were integrated and hidden behind the painted plastic bumper covers. That was a work around the car designers came up with instead of the overly protruding bumpers. Pretty much every car at the dealership looks like a 1980's Ford Tarus now which set the mark for integrated plastic bumpers and headlights.

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the bavarians never really had the eye for safety that the Teutons over at Mercedes Benz had, if you drive an original early 70s Mercedes R107 350SL it feels like the damn thing has ABS brakes (mercedes did start putting ABS on passenger cars, but that wasnt until way later, like some time in 1979)

NHTSA lifted restrictions on bumpers, they didnt have to prevent nearly as much damage, in the late 1970s, they couldnt even leave a dent bigger than 3 inches on the car at 5mph

Another work around, instead of buying a 1980 Ford Taurus clone car at the dealership thanks to stupid over regulations is to buy a Truck. They are under a differant class of regulations, so you can have everything your beautiful 1957 Buick had, but it has to be even larger and burn even more gas to get it. A truck has a frame, chrome bumpers etc.

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is this an LS swap buick youre talking about?

Are they still making the Fords out of
MILITARY GRADE ALUMINUM
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that "chrome" is not real chromer6 or actual plated steel, its plated plastic

The grill is painted plastic and the bed is aluminum etc. The engine is not easy to work on in your garage and for all the gas saving, there are five expensive electronic diagonistics in the future that easily offset that "gas saving". The designs are more and more cheated. That's why some people with money find custom car builders.

Basically people want what they wanted in the 50s. There is just a lot of work arounds and red tape now.

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I think youre looking at the 50s with a bad set of eyes

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Im pretty sure you should be worried about chains and belts rather than some funky 02 sensor that if it causes problems you can just yank the fuse out like you could on the cars with the same electronic sensor from the past three decades

By the time of the introduction of OBD2, the O2 sensor is always connected to the computer. Car won't run without that fuse. You just have to worry about pulling a seized O2 sensor out of a welded bung in addition to worrying about your valves becoming one with your pistons.

…it literally doesnt run without it? GM was never retarded enough to do that

Even GM, nowadays. The best you can do is pull the O2 sensor's connector, but without one of its inputs, the computer will run in a mode where it dumps as much fuel as it can.

All EFI cars that I know of post 93 go into limp mode when the lambda is faulty or disconnected. Narrow band lambda on most to ensure that the catalytic converter does its job.

What was the deal with the Toyotas that had uncontrollable acceleration that was caused by the O2 sensor? The oldest car I've heard this reported in was something like 95 or 97.

in vortec 5700 and 7400s you can just unplug it

I thought that they went back figured out that only really happened on like 5 of the whatever number of instances and the rest were idiots mashing on the gas instead of the brake

I should read up on GM's EFI systems. Everything I know is Jetronic or a copy of it. Aren't the injectors inside the intake manifold on the Vortecs?

That's possible. I remember reading about an Audi where the gas and brake were closer together than Americans were used to, leading to a similar problem.

maybe I mixed up 02 with mass airflow like a retard, But im pretty sure all the cupmuter and fuel injected chevy 350s can run without the 02 sensors

Yes they are above the intake runners where they meet the heads on my LS3.
Check out HP Tuners on the GM EFI ecus. E38 ecus and similar are all fully programmable.. don't need a fancy aftermarket system.
There are people running 1500hp on them too, so they can handle the jandle.

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vortecs are old shoebox iron blocks with one piece oil seals and gen 2 big blocks

I know LH-Jet has a separate mode for running without MAF.

I gotta get me some of that.

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Sorry, thought you meant the g3-g5 vortech. Gm keeps re-using names and even models… makes it complicated when discussing them!

Best part is it's stuffed it into a Honda ^_^
If you're stateside LS3s and similar are relatively cheap. Not so much here :/ I was extremely lucky to get a very rare wreck with one, so it was basically free after parting the car out.
But If I was to start the build again I'd probably sell the LS3 and build a 412 or similar. It's a track car so turb/SC is just going to overheat, pull timing and be a pain in the ass after some laps.

Transverse?

That'd be an LS4 if it was transverse. That said we like the LS4 accessories for tight swaps because it's got the best clearance.
Pic related is the only JDM S2K ever swapped, the only caged one and one of three RHDs ever done.
It's really the best jap LS swap platform and almost no one knows.. it's about 200kg less than a vette and retains 50:50 and true FMR (engine just behind strut towers). We don't have many vettes here much because it's wrong side of the road, so not really an option.
Weight is all very low down as it's a purpose built convertible. Body is extremely rigid, it's like driving a big steel I beam assembly that weighs nothing.
It's got a '15 z/28 helical diff, t56 mag, 600hp DSS shafts all round, 6 pot BBK, Link ecu (launch control/TC etc) and the rest. Basically a modernised powertrain, braking and suspension setup. Stock looking exterior and adjustable exhaust, here LS's are rare as fuck and it will catch a lot of people out. Will be finally finished in a couple of months after a nearly 5 year build. Good things take time.. :)

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I have a less exciting project on my hands. I can do a Nissan D22 with either a Vortec 4300 or rebuild the KA24DE in it. I want it to be able to survive a several foot fall with no damage. I think upgraded t-bars alone would get me most of the way there.

I don't know about that, a several foot fall is pretty exciting sounding, what in the hell are you doing with it and to it!? You crazy bastard!
If you can get the mounts for it already, box and then shafts etc and wiring, I would definitely do the vortec, most V6s are torquey fuckers. Mate of mine had a gm v6, Holden L27 3800 V6, based off the buick v6 which yours no doubt will be related to also. That thing pulled surprisingly hard, great low end torque when I was driving it around industrial roads. Be perfect for offroad. Ain't been in a d22 before though I'd love a 4wd for offroad and some towing.

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Oy gevalt!

dream car: austin 7/mini with yamaha R1 swap (they make kits with motor mounts that slide in with no modding or bodywork cutting, you get as much power as a series A montecarlo spec but you dont have a ridiculously heavy iron cast 4 cylinder) austin Mini, either Mk2 or "mk2 with upgraded interior" (a mk3 or mk4 from the 90s with swapped titlles

or, a Nu-BMW mini R50 gen1 with a that new insane 1.6 inline-6 they put on the K1600

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Exactly why I swapped it, there are some good reasons too.

The JDM F20C engine is the cream of the crop, has the full 250hp unlike most other market F20Cs, high comp, 9125rpm fuel cut. Great engine (like a big motorbike - spent plenty of time on superbikes too) but that's for road use. The prior engine shat itself after a 8k rebuild. Chassis has ~36k miles, finding a ~30k mile JDM-spec engine was impossible, I looked for a year, because every faggot wants to drop them into a damn escort or other kit car and will pay good money for them.
So my options were a 10k spoon engine (stock but blueprinted) or a k24 swap, or an LS3 swap.
The weight is +60-70lbs, retains 50:50 with a lower CoG to boot, all the weight added is in the gearbox, right in the middle of the car!
K24 swap is about same price, the
LS3 (hardly a 'basic small block') has more torque at idle than k24 at peak (same for F20C), nearly triple the power with minimal mods, a myriad of aftermarket parts and support. If I kill the LS3 it's nothing to cry about. Kill an F20C (again) and it's a total shitfest. Just a new rotating assembly for an F20C costs more than a fucking LS2 and most people can't work on them due to extreme tolerances and balancing required.
The LS bores won't go out of round after a single track season, requiring a complete teardown and oversize pistons unlike F20C. F20Cs are simply too highly-strung for thrashing on the track (it's a road legal track car), that's why it took Ferrari 12 years to beat them for Hp/L!
Yes sure if it was a collector car (it's been crashed on paperwork, has a cage) I would have not done this. It's also fully reversible so can always be taken back to stock.
The stock S2000 AP1 diffs can't even handle the stock power if you launch it hard. So if it was a road car, yeah keep it as is, track car, unless you want a money pit, swap it.
Also keep in mind outside of USA, LS swaps are very rare because LS's are expensive outside of CONUS. There are more fingers on one of my hands than the amount of LS swaps in my country, it is far more interesting to most people here including myself.

I do like lightweight cars a lot also. Have driven Daihatsu charades, Renault 205gti, light weight civics etc and they have their own appeal, great for my country with very twisty roads.
The mini hardcore types would hate you for doing that swap, but I agree the old cast iron engines are a bit of a dog. Did you see the MCM B18C mini? That looks like a hell of a lot of fun too, mini with vtec hehehe.
The swap you want to do is not really any different to what I have done to the S2K (bar cutting gussets which can be easily re-welded).

Interesting you mention the nu-mini. I know someone who modded one of them quite a bit (turbo and rest) and they hustle pretty well around a track with the normal engine.
My mechanic is building a 13B time attack nu-mini xD. It's cumstain cream coloured and they want to also do skid comps with it hahahaha.
Sylvia rear subframe and diff, with floor all cut out to do the mod. Crazy shit it was a wreck so no loss.

Didn't know they'd made that! That said, for the power it makes, I'd just whack a busa or ZX14/ZX10 engine in it!

meh, I guess so, just if you were gonna throw an LS in something I'd never think of a unique classic outside of an FD rx-7, I dont know why anyone would get an F20 for an Escort Cossie

well theyre the ones making prefabricated swap Kits not me, I cant even find a real mini where I live!!!

I dont think a turbo hayabusa would fit in an R50 engine bay the bmw I6 bike engine is only 22 in long, I just want the 6-cylinders over the 4, I think it makes the same power but more torque as the tritec

Ive got like a "won the lottery" list of cars that Id get, but Id almost swap all of them for one reason or another

yeahhhh, those swaps look like it would ruin the handling

They weigh the same gearbox included. But I would give you the point and say the BMC will be a bit further back, making for slightly quicker turn in but we are talking few percent or so difference, nothing you'll really notice or feel.
B18C should also be a tiny bit higher CoG due to heavy valvetrain. But that will be mostly cancelled out by the massive power increase.

FD is a poor candidate as it is a four seater (well just..) and the engine actually sits very far beyond the strut towers. They are made for rotangs really. An E-swap would be my reccomendation and what I'm looking at doing next if not going down the predictable 450-500ci SBC route.
Really for track cars the FD and S2K are similarly poor engines. Both do not last on track.
That said an NA rotang will last longer than a turbo. It's the turbos that kill rotary engines.

F20C cossies are fucking rapid rally weapons. That's why they use them. Quite a few out there. There is also a caterham based kit car that uses F20C or K24 from memory too. So it makes a very tight market for low kms jdm spec F20Cs :( Very sad really because it means the cars they come from get harder to keep going as originals. I might pick another one up later one day if I can afford to and keep it stock, they are only appreciating in value from here on in. Would be a less hassle weekend car, don't have to plug the damn dry sump reservoir oil heater in before going for a drive. S2K Prices gone up about 10-15% in last 2-3 years. FD RX7s are similar. I'd recommend if you want one for a swap, get a rolling shell ASAP.

I never considered it but yeah.. ain't seen a mini in videos from USA either! It would be hilarious to see you do your swap there, could troll the shit out of the locals with it xD
You're right though the mini crew has two camps, some like swaps but I think more prefer original. That said the original engine is a bit of a slug and spend a lot of $ for not much gains. Can't touch a modern engine with heaps of flow and computer designed stuff.

That's very impressive actually. Going to have to check out what they sound like now, I like some IL6s. RB26 is my favourite sounding followed by TB48DET. Barras are also great engines and cheap as fuck over here (our version of an LS really they get swapped a lot too) but they don't sound very good for an IL6 and are fucking huge. 07+ though you can get reasonably reliable 500kW with a big turbo and basically no other mods kek.

Kek I like you user. I'm the same for many cars.
They build these amazing platforms and chassis and then stick 'whatever we could find in the parts bin' and call it a day. Or they are limited by some local law, insurance or other bullshit. That always pisses me off.
One day I want to do a v8 duramax (or maybe cummins if it fits) Rolls Royce, one of the older cheaper ones of course lol.
A K24 1st gen Prius would be awesome. They are fast as fuck without a turbo already..
Seen an LS Crossfire too, pretty hilarious. Sort of like the look of them too, I don't know why.
I also like total sleepers and utter slow shitboxes with crazy swaps.
You'll probably enjoy this youtube.com/watch?v=YDjqygCqzSs
It's been faster since and the they made an even faster merc based one with a SBC.

Cheers!

my reasons are less about power and more "how in fucks name is this thing gonna get serviced properly?"

Gosh, that's a great idea too.
That would cause some major butthurt to all euro dealers involved and all the jdm faggots would love you at the same time.
That's the sort of thing I love too but is rarest type of swap, when it's a bitch to service/costs too much, e.g. lambo/bentley/rolls engines etc.
You could probably power the car on the salt LS swapping an aston would generate.
5.3 iron block and twin china ebay 66s out the hood would also be hilarious.
JZ should fit too though, long bonnet and FMRish type design. Might weigh about same as an SC V8 also, probably a little further forward weight but DB7 is a little heavy so it wouldn't be much of a difference. I would hoon the shit out of a JZDB. Please make it happen, user! If I hear of it I'll be in touch ;)

The servicing angle was exactly why I dumped the F20C. Also the smiles per $ were low.
Can get to all the plugs in mine no problem, it's like they seriously contemplated making a J32 or something V6 S2K… p.s. that's another great unknown swap engine.
People swapped them into civics, ebay turbo, 700-800hp and lasts for ages, even stock trans if you don't beat on it too bad kek. Unopened!
They also cost a few hundred bucks and are a bit shorter than an LS, similar width. Gazillions of them in accords and people movers.

Ive thought of an LS R32 to troll import guys, get an R32 GTS and put the GTR bodywork on it, LHD conversion, then rip out the RB problems and replace it with some LS3 from a junkyard pickup and put a super charger on it

also thought of merc w126 SEL take the subframe/suspension from a supra and shove it on there with the front clip from a SEC swapped onto it then LSX, take the 560 M117 out and take the crank shaft take a 1989/1993 500SL with the m119 with that awesome nonslush 4-speed auto it has, bore and stroke the M119 and use the crank from the M117 560

other than Ls swapping a 540 e39 is like the whole dream list

LS R32 I'd also love to do. They are cheap here and common (not so much GTRs but you can see an R32 most days driving around).
There is a skid car r32 here that's ls1, there is also a really quick one in auz. My mech has the only 13b r32gtr ever built xD It's called porn but the latest plate is RF13B, which is to troll the skyline fans. They say 'RFB' which is R fuckin' B and go on about how hard they go etc.. so yeah. Salt generation on wheels. We will go cruising together with the swaps and it'll be quite a bit of entertainment. It's super clean though, no expense spared.

Merc 126 restomod sounds brilliant and would totally be different with such an engine build. I think it'd be more of a cruise toy though you wouldn't want to look after if beating on it with the older bits harder to find. Cool idea though :D Love the way your mind works!
Burgers do amazing things with C6 vette chassis + old ass stingrays or early vettes etc, that I think is the pinnacle of swapping.. new car feel on awesome looking body but I don't want to know how much that costs, kek.
e39 540 LS would be WICKED.
I've always wanted to do a volvette/240 GL baby blue with the tissue box and the hat in the back window etc and TT LS under the bonnet xD

I think those vette chassis swaps end up being like $150k, theres a company that takes old barnfind cars and they map out the body dimensions and fabricate a corvette based chassis to fit underneath it

w126s are actually common in california, it wouldnt be about finding parts, more about shipping costs

I don't understand why Skyline and RB motors are so desired by enthusiasts. The simpler Nissans that you can beat the fuck out of are way more fun.

Weight reduction, in this case. The frame is very strong. Also, real bolts instead of the oversized computer screws that Nissan likes to use. Not much has to be done. One time I dropped it off a jack and had it slam into the pavement on its frame, and not even a scratch. Still needs a damn engine, and I'm broke from my last adventure.