What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?

Who's familiar with The Unknown Life of Jesus: The Life of Saint Issa by Nicolas Notovitch.
Its about a Russian adventurer who discovers Indian and Tibet stories of a man from Israel who travelled to India and studying Buddhism and came back to Israel to preach. Named Issa, which is Jesus.

Sounds cool right? Maybe brings some validity to Christianity. But it turns out, like always, Nicolas Notovitch is Jewish and was found to have fabricated the story, and confessed to it. He also wrote a book urging Russia to join the Triple Entente in WW1. So what did he mean by writing this book on Jesus/Issa?

Well the story is the typical Jews are victims of the Egyptians (not true if you look into the Hyksos) and Romans and then Jesus/Issa is sent by God to save them. But Jesus can also save everyone else if they drop their pagan traditions for a monotheistic God.

Where it gets interesting is trying to understand what the (((author))) intended to influence in people.
The story writes whenever people asked to see a miracle, he wouldn't preform any. And that after the passion, he was moved to another tomb by the Romans, never alerting the Israelites so they saw an open tomb and rumors of a resurrection began. So is he trying to discredit Christianity?

Or is it just evident that Christianity really was to help the Jews fight against the Romans from the beginning?

On the other hand, the (((story))) preaches of anti Brahmanism, that all people should be seen as equal (the caste system of ancient India was for different races living in India). He also discredits paganism as backwards and evil.

I'm left thinking that (((Notovitch))) wants people to believe that Jesus was to help the Hebrews and we should love them like Boomers do. Or he wanted to hurt the image of Christ in religious Europe, which had adopted many pagan traditions and holidays to turn it into a mix of European heritage with monotheism.

I'm not really sure what to fully take away from this, and it really brings me back to the debate of paganism or Christianity for Europe. And whenever I look into topics on the early days of Christianity, there seem to be a lot of Jewish authors.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_for_Religious_Relations_with_the_Jews
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japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/08/asia-pacific/u-s-holocaust-museum-revokes-suu-kyis-human-rights-award/
youtube.com/watch?v=NqWPp4_xhYQ
youtube.com/watch?v=OQH9DW3ZZxI
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independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/14000-village-discovered-triquet-island-british-columbia-canada-oldest-settlment-north-america-a7673726.html
news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/maya-laser-lidar-guatemala-pacunam/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God#Etymology_and_usage
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>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
Lurk more.
I'll give you a free tip: there haven't been any actual Jews since the Second Temple was destroyed, although the kikes had already long been insisting that they were Jews.
(Kind of off-topic, but it's interesting how the hamites/kikes have reacted to semites/whites opposing them over the millennia. Moses had thousands of them slaughtered, and they practically worship him. Jesus publicly denounced them and assured them they were going to Hell, and they hate him. Hitler showed them great charity and tried to reform them, and they're utterly consumed with hatred of him.)

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>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner.

well, let's see…
yes, the author is trying to discredit and undermine Christianity.
the jew author was doing what jews do; lie, distort, and undermine.
perhaps the clearest example of how they feel about Jesus is the jew's own talmud
(the most "holy" scripture for jews is the talmud (rabbi BS), not the torah (roughly the Old Testament).
in the talmud it is clearly stated that (according to the rabbis) Jesus is in hell boiling in a pool of shit forever, and that Mother Mary was a whore who slept with many men.
So, yeah.
the kikes REALLY HATE Jesus, and by extension all Christians.
furthermore, the talmud states that all non-jews are animals (that they are made of clay and have no soul).
And that the purpose of non-jews is to be the slaves of jews.
Indeed, when the jews (or there "shabbos goyim" aka willing servants) talk about "fixing the world" what they mean is to bring about the "new world order" where the jews are the master race and everyone else is a slave. (the goodest goys who help them would be the rulers of the slaves just under the jews, or possibly beside them)

Also, the jews today are the synagogue of satan. no "biblical jews" exist anymore. Even if they did, they rejected Jesus and thus are no longer a people of God, let alone a chosen people.

All positive portrayals of jews in Christianity is because the jews are liars. They worm their way into things and lie, lie, lie.
They have been doing this for thousands of years.
Indeed, they are commanded to lie by the rabbis and the talmud.
The talmud clearly states that it is the duty of every jew to lie to non-jews whenever such lying would benefit the jews.
The jews LIE ALL THE DAMN TIME.
They also control the vast majority of the US media and hollywood.
Also, carl marx was a jew. hmmmm……
the implications should be obvious

They are TRULY the Blight Upon Nations.

I see what you're getting at.
But what about pagan traditions or paganism? Is there anything actually wrong with that? That's something that concerns me whenever I see discussions and debates between people on here

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There is no debate except between D&C shills. Let pagans be pagans and Christians be Christians. Trying to force all Europeans to accept one or the other would inevitably lead to more brother wars.

This. I don't care what afterlife shit someone believes so long as they fight for the race. We can kill each other over ideology or religion once the 14 words have been achieved for all White nations. That is if anyone still wants to after the kikes aren't around to instigate.

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I will never cease to be amazed at why anyone would try to base anything on what kikes say, aside from noticing patterns to help terminate them. They are not an authority on our real traditions. All of our real traditions are pagan. All kike ideas should be destroyed.

Caring about this is like caring about some numale in (((Hollywood))) and whether they really did X. Who cares? They belong in the oven.

There is no debate because one is correct and the other is wrong.

Jesus was a bloodline king with lineal claim to the emperors throne.
He waged an unsuccessful insurrection, was crucified as punishment, but didn't die. Then he was exiled to Britain to live out the rest of his days.
It is where the King Arthur stories originate.
Christianity is Judaism Lite, designed to be a state friendly religion.
Jews are essentially gypsies who absorbed various belief systems and fabricated their own origin story of how they are the chosen, which is useful when running scams on everyone around you.

See that would work if christianity was not younger than judaism.
Face it your god is the jewish one

Martin Luther often debated them and recorded their doctrine in his book "On Jews and Their Lies."
There is no better book on the subject, simply because of its antiquity. In one book it shows how Jews (and the kike-led Catholics and Muslims) are completely devoid of morality, and always have been.

I'd say there are at least better books, Mein Kampf and The Myth of the Twentieth Century, which expose the Semitic antirace for what they are without advocating for the worship of the Semitic idol Yeshua. Martin Luther is obviously a flawed man due to his remaining a worshiper of an idol of the Jewish race and placing so much emphasis on the Bible, which was written by Semites.

I'm glad you asked.

From what I can tell, they promote Christianity for the sake of destroying non-abrahamic religions. But they also attack Christianity because they know that whites would simply aryanize it if left to their own devices, and they can't allow that cultural cohesion to exist. It makes more sense when you see it as a slippery slope into spiritual decadence. First the native Indo-European religion is uprooted and replaced with a universal abrahamic religion. Next that universal religion is turned into a mostly political tool, rather than a religious one. Then the political religion is attacked as oppressive and unnecessary. It tends to be replaced with either atheism or a syncretic religion which has been carefully crafted, so as to avoid any of the old truths, but also to instill the same slave morality that Christianity did,

But Cool Runnings was released in 1993. I wonder what the Swiss did before, other than denying jews refugee status during World War II. Since then, they've been pretty supportive of (((Israel))).

Go look how common jesus's srory is. The story is much older than Christianity and every older religion has a figure in it with this story.

This. They play both sides extends to this. They hate christianity from a religious perspective so only the truly orthodox jews hate it, but the rest mostly love it because it helps them control the white worshipers - blacks are too easy to control.

Christians on Holla Forums need to drop the /christian/ victim card already and realize what jews hate even more is something they can't have, and what they can't be. A truly white religion aka paganism is something they absolutely hate because paganism requires a love for nature. So they seek to destroy nature by first destroying the love for it. They hate that they can't be white so they invented a religion where everyone is the same and "one" under (((Jesus))). After monopolizing religion they sought to do away with it and monopolize government and invented Communism. This makes Communism the successor to Christianity.

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So its either use European pagansim (Wotan or Odinism) as a general guideline of life or embrace something like Positive Christianity which really is attributing European values to Hebrew people (all depictions of Jesus and the apostles are drawn very, very European).
Jews don’t like Christianity when it embraces traditional white conservative values.
Jews love Christianity when it embraces “just be nice to everyone, love on another”.

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You'd be mad too if your savior never showed up.

Judaism was created a few hundred years after Christianity. Hence the Talmud mentioning Jesus.

So circumcision and Moloch worship is A-OK because its in the OT? Even the OT is kiked to shit. The Talmud is just the logical conclusion of such a sick religion, while Christianity was made to weaken the European race, and Religion of Cuck™ was created as the sword meant to destroy us.

on that note what exactly do you think of the ancient Hebrews? That they were really whites? How fucked does your logic have to be to believe in this sort of thing?

You'd say that, because like all goodgoys, you hate Jesus just like you've been programmed to do. If you were actually literate instead of a drooling edgelord retard, you would redpill everyone with the solid reasoning of Luther that clearly demonstrates why jews (and faggots like you) hate Jesus to the point of insanity.

Christians are the goodgoys, the ones who have enabled Semites at every turn. If Luther knew jackshit, he would have condemned Saul as just another Semitic huckster. If Luther was worth following, he would have given up the practice of consuming the flesh and blood of a Semitic idol and gone back to the traditions of his own ancestors. This is a National Socialist board, not a Protestant cuckshed.

God, you kikes are persistent. What did Jesus do to you to make you spout so many lies? Are whites the Israelites, is that why you’re so scared of Christianity?

good job not refuting anything I say, just spout "YOURE A KIKE" like a retard. discussion and argument arent needed to move forward goyim, just act like paranoid goons : ^ )

Again, you stupid nigger, we just pointed to someone who wrote an entire book condemning Jews based entirely on the Bible, oh, and was the father of protestantism against the entire kike papacy. I know you can't fight your Jew programming, what with you having the IQ of a jungle ape, but at least shut your gibbering kikehole so humans can converse.

>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?

(((They))) love using Christianity to subvert the goyim, but they also fear and despise it because the bible calls them Satan and Jesus pushed their shit in.

The Bible cycle is:
Majority turn away from "god". God curses them/takes all away from them. An exception (a prophet) preaches to them. They either kill him or change because of him. Regain standing, prosper. Repeat.

And I just pointed out how Luther was a cuck who slurped up Semitic blood and based his life around the writings of Semites. If Protestantism was any better than Catholicism, the National Socialists wouldn't have had to suppress and execute Protestants as well as Catholics for attempting to subvert the Reich in the name of their globalist faith as a rejection of the racialist policies of National Socialism based in Aryan ideals such as the Varna (color) based caste system described in the Vedas which explicitly declare the Aryan to be superior to other races.

This video series is long but important. Recommended Holla Forums viewing for both christanons and larpagans alike, and this is only one of several of this man's videos.
The main point the author makes is that Israel =/= Hebrew =/= Semite =/= Jew. Jews were from the tribe of Judah, just one clan of Israel and not even the clan that received God's blessing; that would have been Joseph, or more accurately his son. The Jews have been butthurt about this since their ancient conception, taking their eternal jealousy from their founding through Judah. It's Jewish subversion that has convinced modern people that the bible was about Jews. The Jews so desperately wanted the blessing of Israel that they stole the identity of the clan that was blessed and conflated those terms so they could be the heroes of what is unarguably the most influential book in history.

This shit right here is the whole reason the bible so much time on the genealogy of figures in its stories. The genealogy is really fucking important when trying to understand the major players in the bible, and most of them aren't even Jews. The bible just about explicitly states that Jews are in fact not the chosen people. There's actually more biblical evidence that the chosen people were scattered through Europe, especially Greece and Rome, interbred with the natives there, and sure as shit these nations became the conquerors of the world.

To make them even more eternally assblasted, the Jews killed Christ because he wasn't the conqueror their prophecies foretold. But, not more than a few centuries later, the nations of Europe had effectively conquered the world, nearly all of them waving his banner. Really the Jews are perhaps the most anally annihilated population in the history of mankind and the bible is actually just a documentation of their rectal ravaging.

[Citation needed]

The bible characters being white plot twist is intellectual dishonesty, and ironically a pathetic attempt to do what you're saying the jews are doing - a pathetic coping mechanism to hang onto the jewish history of the OT. Many have tried to do this so they can hang onto the myth of the bible and leave the jew behind. The reality is that every attempt to do this falls flat in the face of actual history the same way taking it at face value does.

Thus the lesson is always the same. The OT is a jewish tome of a false history and a collected series of plagiarized works. It is virtually useless as a resource. So much of it is damning for what jews are and that people are so blind to it that all of the virtue signaling christians can hold onto it when it says and promotes so much disgusting semitic behavior.

You are illiterate historically and it baffles me how you found yourself in here without already knowing the answer.
This is therefore a shill thread.
For those that want answers they have been out there for a very long time. The compendium is "Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum" by Bonawentura Pranaitis.
It's sadly in latin as the jew will never allow for a full translation. It has everything, insluding citations from jew religious teachings and books, down to the exact page number and paragraph.

Christianity is just discount paganism though

Into the trash he goes. All of the tribes of Israel were Semitic goatfuckers.

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That narrative is a literal kike agenda. You're assisting the kikes.

Dig up some Europoid mummies in Israel and then you can try to spin that narrative. "Israelites wuz whites" is the kike agenda based on falsehoods.

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So you're a shitskin?HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

White Israel might only be "very likely" but the identity of the modern kike is very certain according to the Bible.
Ezekiel 16:3
John 8:44-45

So, you have no archaeological or genetic evidence to suggest that the Israelites were anything other than a confederation of Semitic tribes and unrelated genetically to Europeans.

You're doing the Lord's work user, couldn't have put it better myself.

Hey user, you know what. Why don't you go ask Israel? If there in the mood for identifying as white at the time they might conveniently dig one up for you.

That language is a bit more poetic than literal, but not less correct.
Ezekiel is basically saying they are the children of the abominable baby-eating savages that lived in the land before them and John is fairly self explanatory.

Uh yes, and God means that literally.

20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,

21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

I don't know about that one, Ezekiel is a fairly poetic writer. Many books of the bible are taken more literal than figurative, but Ezekiel isn't one of them. Dispensationalists take him as literal, or parts of his works anyways, but they also take a lot of things out of context when it's convenient for them so I don't put much trust in it.

But it's really not worth arguing about since the lesson is basically the same: Jews are cursed, wretched people who seek revenge on the god that rejected them.

even though you clearly have a bias towards the former, I will humor you user

They hate it. LURK MORE, YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT.

No, intl. Your proven false kikery, spammed for FOUR YEARS STRAIGHT, is still not true. Kill yourself.

Made you think, if you want to tip your fedora is your problem, but for every tip a shill get a shekel, maybe you are the shill?

So, jews. The other thing you tacked on was that they aren't semitic. They are semitic. What the bible says doesn't follow actual history, which is what you will not address because you wish to reinterpret the bible to fit your delusion that it isn't a work of jewish fiction.
You already violated intellectual honesty when you refuse to incorporate actual history into this and only wish to stick to your biblical reinterpretation. Interpretation does not equate to reality. That is why jews rely on "Interpretation" so they can bypass reality and get what they want. Ergo, you are operating on jewish mechanisms of thought.

And here it is, it came out. You're trying to insist your interpretation is correct over others while falling back on the tired out excuse that parts of the bible are meant to be figurative and others literal. It's neither, it's jewish fiction. They write like that with careless abandon and then go back to it later so they can reinterpret what they wrote to mean something else. The insanity of doing this is ingrained into their methods. The only difference between them and you is that you do this to defend the jew book but they do this to take advantage of whites.

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Jews hate jesus and christianity for trying to steal the jew's meme magic and god for all human beings.

Christianity was created by the Romans using Jewish memes to get them to abandon their tribal nature so they could be assimilated. Later, Jews would use christianity to destroy the gentiles' tribal nature so they could be assimilated into one giant slave mass for the jews.

Christianity was created by the Flavian dynasty to try to make the jews stop being racist so they would be assimilated into the Roman Empire and become good Roman citizens. Later, Rome turned this religion on all of its subjects to help break down local cultures so they could be more easily controlled.

The Roman Empire was the globalism and multiculturalism of its day.

archive.is/Y8Iis

Debito Arudou… Semite tries infiltrating Japan. Hates it, and so moves to Hawaii to shame Japan for existing. Curiously he doesn't talk about Ethnic-Nationalist Israel.

(((They))) hate Japan because it is an inspiration to how a society not christcucked can be a better place.

Jews use the word supremacist because that is what they are. Most other nations/tribes are separatist in nature.

japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/03/08/asia-pacific/u-s-holocaust-museum-revokes-suu-kyis-human-rights-award/

Oh no more bad goyim this time in Myanmar. Another Buddhist country.

Great comment.

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preach brother

I agree but, the catholics and orthodox christ niggers aren't any better

the bog is all he deserves

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I see no dubs, you fucking bot.

(((They))) hate it because, for the most part, it helps support a homogenous white society.
As for whether paganism can do the same, I don't know. I doubt that it can anymore, judging from the majority of pagans who could barely run a village let alone a nation. What makes Christianity more appealing is that it's already tempered by modern society i.e. most of the counterproductive traditions weeded out. Unfortunately now most sects have been tainted by globalism in one way or another.
Would it be easier to "civilize" pagan beliefs or put fire back into Christianity?

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i don't think christianity is useful for us

Perun cares little for what they think.

i dont think many really converted

jews in the bible aren't the same jews of today

Genetic studies have confirmed that they are. What makes you think that they aren't?

LOL

What the Pharisees follow is not the religion of Moses.

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>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
You can use google translate to translate titles of the videos
youtube.com/watch?v=NqWPp4_xhYQ
youtube.com/watch?v=OQH9DW3ZZxI

The outlook on Christianity entirely depends on a Jew in question. The most orthodox of Yids hate Christianity simply due to theological differences. Jesus and his followers did what no Jew did before them; they opened up and preached to the goyim. Reviling Hebrew secrets to the gentiles is a big no-no in Jewish culture. In time, Christianity became incredibly popular among slaves, women and disfranchised masses and thus eliminating other, more orthodox offshoots of Judaism. On the other hand, your average run-of-the-mill Jew simply hates Whites, and associates Christianity with Whites. It's just a mental shortcut on his or her part and nothing more. Yids don't really care that much about based Christian niggers living in Africa or godly gooks from the Philippines. However, as a whole Christianity is a useful tool in the hands of Kikes and it was that way from the get go. It's allowed the Jewish parasite to roam free in Europe and slowly gain power. Jews became a protected class in the European society specializing in trade (especially in slave trade), money laundering, usury and tax collection. A lot of Christian monarchs kept a pet Jew in their courts to whisper Hebrew lies to their ears. Every time the lowers classes got Jew wise the clergy simply moved Yids to another country. In the past Kikes mobilized the Christian masses to fight the NatSoc Germay in the defense of the Christian way of life and the Christendom as a whole. To this very day, every mainstream branch of Christianity form Orthodoxy to Catholicism and Protestantism works hand in hand with the Jews. More so, Christian identity is used to displace the racial identity and that's a big problem. Everyone can be a Christian but not everyone can be White.

Both Christians and Jews follow the Mosaic tradition, the claims of Christcucks or Talmudists as being the sole heirs to that tradition do not matter because the entire Abrahamic tradition is falsehood born from distortions of the Sumerian religion and therefore neither group has an objectively superior claim. What matters more is that the Jews of today are the genetic descendants of the tribes of Israel.

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And your point is?

wtf i hate larpagans now! praise jizzus

Christians use perversion of the Cross - a Crucifix, effectively it became a symbol of death instead of symbol of life.

Buddy the Jews aren't even the victims of the Egyptians in the old testament. The words used to describe there situation in Egypt have nothing to do with slavery but a kind of serfdom, probably mercenaries given right of settlement in Egyptian territory. For one reason or another there was a falling out and the Egyptians and herding tribes they'd allowed to settle in that territory became hostile. The "slavery" bullshit is entirely an attribution of libshits and kikes(not even the same race as the old Hebrew) 22 centuries later. Its just pure bullshit.

Also Buddhism is trash.

Who is this Perun? Can you prove to me that he exists? I have never heard of him let alone sensed his presence before.

Can you tell me what you think about Akhenaten and the possibility of proto-Jewish influences in pre-Juedaic history?

He's the highest God of the Slavic pantheon. Perun is the God of thunder, lightning and war.

>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
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Doesn't matter what ((( they ))) think, though.
We should think about it.

Doesn't matter what the tapeworm thinks about feces, we should think about not ingesting them.

I call bullshit in the third picture when he states that "Gnostics are no exception".
Gnostics don't worship anything especially not (((YHWH))). They loathe the jews because they consider them as servants of the Demiurge.

heads need to be bashed, sooner rather than later

>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
The same thing we think about PC activities - it's subversion.

Difference is that there were a lot of reasonable things that Jesus said, it's just that the church and the community created an abomination of him.

You see, gnostics are weird because like christians they have absolute faith in something, just the opposite to christians.

But if I were gnostic, I'd ask "what if the demiurge is protecting us from some abomination?"
That's probably why the Catholics considered them a threat. They had the utmost conviction that the demiurge has to be evil.

Read all the Roman accounts on jews for an ancient account on (((them))). Tacitus is the woke Fascist and Claudius being the if we leave them alone they'll leave Rome kind of cuck. These different personalities continue into today.

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HOL UP

ive been joking about teenage mutant ninja buddhist jesus for years now, because i thought it was a funny idea. and now youre trying to tell me that not only is that exactly what happened, but there is and has been a book about it for years. fuck man, i would say i shouldve memed responsibly, but this is a pretty cool one. jesus travels to the far east to learn buddhist and vedic magic so that he can return to the desert and usurp the jews and their control over the land.

sounds like it would make a pretty cool anime doesnt it?

Listen with your eyes then and train your body up. When you are a worthy warrior, Perun will bless your arms.
You will see his sound and hear his fire.

im pretty much convinced that the majority of human emotions, ideas, and feelings have existed more or less in the same state for millenia. especially the more base emotions like fear, greed, happiness etc.

anytime we get a glimpse into the ancient world, we see them doing and feeling very similar things to what we would if we were placed in a similar situation today. one excellent example i always point out in this regard, is the graffiti on the walls of Pompeii. the language and lingo is a little different, but all in all, its pretty much the same shit youd see on the bathroom stall walls nowadays.

another great example is how some jap rice trader created candlestick charts like 600-700 years ago to try and chart human psychology and make as much money as possible while trading. he charted out what all the candles meant in terms of price action, and trader emotions, and their usefulness at predicting market trends quickly spread throughout japan. traders in the west didnt start using them until early 1900s, but when they did, nothing needed to be changed or altered in terms of analysis. even with a different market, with a different people, in a completely different time, these charts were able to accurately determine price action and the psychology of human greed and fear.

It depends, many gnostics have different beliefs about the Demiurge, some consider it as a benevolent but highly imperfect being.

Only whites are the Adamic race. No one else is human by Biblical standards.

Genuinely interesting, can you explain further why please?

The word Adam means he who blushes. Only whites do that. When Cain ran away he was afraid of being killed by people. These people were other "races."

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I don't think it's necessary to say we MUST be either pagan or positive christians. I think that our people are more than capable of naturally morphing any religion into one which accepts the perennial truths, whether it be via revisionism or atavism.

It's not surprising to see so much ignorant edgelording. Jewish anti-christ programming is pervasive and endemic. These niggers have been bombarded with juden christ-hate and satanic images since birth, and not just from the electric jewbox.

American Library Association: Leslie Burger, President
American Federation of Teachers: Ted Kirsh, President
Communication Workers Of America (AFL-CIO): Morton Bahr, President
The Newspaper Guild: Carol Rothman, International Chairwoman
National Academy for Science: Harvey Fineberg, Executive Director
American Psychiatric Association: Paul Appelbaum, President
Simon & Shuster Publishing: Subsidiary of Viacom Inc; Sumner Redstone (His real name is Murray Rothman), Chairman/CEO
Random House Publishing: Samuel Newhouse & Family, Owners
Simon & Shuster Publishing: Division of Time Warner; Gerald Levin, CEO

if you can make raelism, scientology or rastafari into decent, white faiths I will be genuinely impressed

but no, some religions need to be destroyed. not because they are heresy or anything. I just think theyre stupid. Their existence is an insult to the spiritual nature of mankind and a mockery of the gods.

This guy actually explains it much better than me.

I have asked this question several times and never gotten an answer from you people. Why does it matter to me that Jews hate Jesus? They hate muhomo'd the pedo goatfucker too, I guess I better go be Muslim. Its just as foreign a faith as Christianity, anyways. As far as I see it, Christian and Jewish hatred are little more than a sectarian dispute. Jews hate Muslims much more than they hate Christians (historically this was not always the case I will admit, Muslims gave Jewish slave-traders better rights than Christians gave to Jewish slave-traders in Europe) but nowadays you must be delusional and brainwashed to think the Jews are being hurt by the church. The church are their greatest allies; Muslims are doing more to fight the Jewish threat as we speak and thats just fucking pathetic, and even then at the end of the day they are fighting the Jew over rights to our women.Again, just another Sectarian dispute between brown Jews and pale Jews.

I respect strength and blood, crusaders were cool and kept the pagans in line through strength and blood. Now you Christians have neither, and I have no reason to respect you anymore. Get to crusading or shut the fuck up. You're the only Larpers here.

read about the Proto-Indo Europeans and the Kurgan cultures before you read this "we wuz Jooz n shiet !" fucking garbage.

If we have to we could make those religions work. But otherwise I agree that we'd be better off without a lot of these shitty religions. That said, the only religion I think it would be appropriate to outright attack is Judaism. Infringing on freedom of religion is a line I'm not particularly interested in crossing. Let their churches wrong us first before retaliating.

All I got to say about paganism is that if you think you can make not gay paganism a sizable minority, much less a majority, you're delusional beyond belief. Trying to resurrect a dead and mostly lost religion with no philosophical backing seems pointless. Is there even a positive argument for paganism? There are only two kinds I see. It's either an argument for why Paganism is better than Christianity or a "because our distant ancestors believe in it so should we." Both have nothing to do with the truth of paganism and if it doesn't have truth than why should we believe it? Isn't this just post modernism garbage repackaged into paganism?

no. absolutely zero tolerance for xenos worshipers.

You've posted this copypasta several times already, its getting old

topkek

Paganism has been the victim of systematic genocide by the Christians, so it's not really possible to recreate it in its old form. However, Hinduism and National Socialism can fill in a lot of the gaps in Nordic, Greek, and Celtic paganism. So long as the primordial archetypes permeate this "new old religion" then it can come to success. My argument for it would be that it provides a fresh, non-dogmatic slate to work with; as opposed to the non-Aryan Christianity, which is difficult to compromise with Traditionalism. (capital T) Though this might not be the argument of most pagans.

I have read MUH MAINSTREAM HISTORY. Adamic whites fits in nicely. If you watched the video you would actually know that.

Umm… no for one thing I'm a lurker who rarely ever makes post and second even if it was a copypasta just saying it is doesn't make it false.
What does that have to do with paganism lacking philosophical backing? It once did sure but now it doesn't. There's many arguments against it and little to support it. Are you going to give me a positive argument for paganism?

no user. because frankly, any idea that the ancient semites were actually Aryans is fucking retarded. youre telling me ancient whites worshiped Moloch? youre telling me ancient whites created circumcision? no, these depraved and lunatic ideas can only come from the Semitic mind, and I refuse to believe that Aryans created these concepts. If, by any tiny chance, the Hebrews WERE Aryans, then they were a corrupt strain of our race, and it is best we forget their twisted lore anyways.

whatever your schizophrenic youtuber has to say, I'm not interested. Actual sources please.

Socrates, Plato, Epictetus, Aurelius, such figures mean nothing to you? Essentially the fathers of all Western understanding? Wow, a Christian that is eager to toss away thousands of years of tradition and wisdom, what a twist.

like what for example? What arguments do you have in favor of Christianity? What arguments support Christianity exactly? Are you going to give me a positive argument for Christianity? If not why should I do the same for you? Youve had ample opportunity.

Heres one:

my god is white, yours isnt

So if Christians were so strong to do this once why can't they do it again? And if they can't what changed? I already have a guess but I want to hear your suggestion. Also please name me a non-European Christian genociding a European pagan. For it seems to me some whites adopted it and the idea became enough of a dormant force in white people that it had power to enforce its well on the entirety of white people. The biggest killer of pagans, were pagan converts.
Yes so no matter what you make you're not really practicing the religion of distant ancestors but a Frankenstein monster. As far you know there's always going to be something important missing and it can't be filled.
I'm sorry but to me, it looks like you're hoping for a spark from some wet sticks so you can light wet logs. But I wish you luck trying.
Which is a good thing if you want something malleable but here's a secret. Dogma isn't a bad thing but a defense mechanism against society breaking apart due to divisions. You should only want anti-dogma when you're not the status quo and you have the power. I'm sorry but even if you get your wish I fear that it's going to turn against you.
Can you please explain why?
You will be correct.

I haven't gone through the new testament yet but the rules in the ten commandments aren't original aka the story of god giving them to moses on a mountain is bs like slave jews building the pyramids. first four are just "i'm the only god bow down to me," everything else comes from ancient laws that predate the torah/bible.

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No they do for that they're the essential building blocks of the foundation for western thought. But they weren't always right and that some of their ideas have been either replaced or improved upon.
I mean many of the pagan ideas have been used to strengthen Christaniity. You can't have St. Augustine without Aristotle. Please don't strawman me.
Well there's the famous Euthyphro dilemma, which leads either to a form of divine nihilism, or a search for the Good which is never ending for the created Gods can't in of themselves be the source. You must ground it in the nature of a God.
Well first I have to get you to monotheism which there's arguments like the prime mover, or the ontological argument. Than when you accept that there is a God we can move on to the nature of that deity which brings up the trinity for that if God is all loving what was there to love before creation?(Sorry I butchered it but I hope you get what I'm trying to convey.) Than we can get to the historical evidence of the Resurrection and what religion best describes God.
I just gave you a admittedly piss poor chain from paganism to Christianity. Not sleeping will do that to you.
I just did so please provide. Don't be a atheist degenerate who only argues from complete negation.
I did so in my 3rd post.
My God isn't created, your is making it inferior to my own.

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Cry harder, intl.

You'd be wrong.

No, keep switching your IP. I'm sure we'll believe you eventually.

Why does it matter to me that Jews hate Jesus?
Knowing why helps you hate them.
No, they don't hate Mohhamad. They don't hate Islaam. You know absolutely fucking nothing.
You see it wrong, then.
You know nothing.
Yeah, hi, you've heard of co-opting, right? Like what jews have done to every white nation and every white nationalist group? Gee.
t. pagan

Your faith needs missionaries, pagan faiths do not.
Missionaries are inherently larpy.

Hi, intl.

No, you won't. Fully golemized Christians lost their souls to Elohim the devourer and cannot believe anything anymore.

Case in point:
You wouldn't be Christian if you didn't get to go to heaven afterwards.
This is because you don't give a shit about "based Christian philosophies and teachings" you just want your soul back.
But it's gone.
Forever.

What, no yawning this time? Did you heed my advice and go outside for a bit to get some oxygen into your body?

Good job, user. You're getting better.

How are you going to convert non-pagans than?
What was the most you ever done to further paganism? My guess shitposting on here.
Your attempts at mockery only proves you lack the fortitude to defend what you believe.

There is no need for that.
The world does it to the people.
If all current faiths and beliefs got erased, the next rumble in the sky would be the seed of a new thundergod.
You wouldn't get some random dude listening to thunder, who then assumes the telekinesis stance with index and middle finger at his temples, reciting the Bible again.

Umm, I live in a rural village in Germany and we have our yearly customs and all that.
Apply this to most, if not all of Europe.

What fan fiction have you been reading?
To be honest I most likely won't and that's not stopping me from saying Jesus Christ is Lord. I think it's a objective truth.
Again with this weird fan fiction.
Please link it to me it should like a good time waster.

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Also

Faith is saying a magic incantation now?
Pfffffffff.
Yeah, you don't need a soul to say a phrase and then believe that you'll get your soul back after death.
Buth feeling the true old gods channel through you?
Even though there is (incorrectly asserted) no trace of paganism left is not faith, etc.

Weak. Weak. Weakedyweak.

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Furthermore, a simple trip through Europe, no matter where, and a healthy amount of questioning if "that is what Jesus asked for" should also do the trick.

Spoiler:
You will find almost no place that keeps prayer and sermons fully private, has no graven images and doesn't have opulent decoration and art.

All things Jesus would rather advocate against than for.

But the explanation is simple, Europe was and is still pretty pagan at the core, even under the Christian larp overpaint.
Why else would good, pious Christians defy their messiah so otherwise?
If it weren't for the gods of beauty and radiance still telling people to: come on, I know you want to paint pretty girls and nature scenes, it's okay.

Why else would scientists have opposed Churches, etc.
The list goes on but I had too much jelly (In German, it's called the food of the gods, plural) and I got a pretty bad heartburn because of that.

Not really in the mood to type essays here when it doesn't matter anyway.

This entire post is a joke and I won't take seriously until the day all faiths and beliefs get erased.

So you get ass fucked in the woods every Halloween how does that grow your influence? Do pagans even have influence in Europe?

Why shouldn't I dismiss such a claim? Do you have any evidence or proof?

Why should I believe you?

How dare you try to pull this. "Jesus is against what you're doing therefore you're pagan." card when you have no fucking idea what he meant. Go on tell me the verses that support the claim Jesus wanted prayers and sermons fully private, so I can tell you why you're wrong. Christian Europe is nothing like Pagan Europe and to say otherwise is to be ignorant of your own ancestors who you say you worship. But I guess that's par of the course for pagans to worship things they don't understand. You're so pathetic you hypocrite study your own beliefs and history before telling other what they believe.

Before I do that, how much of a literalist are you anyway?
Can you consume deadly poison without dying, or is that just a parable or something?

Can you see the Gods on Mount Olympus?

In the meantime.

Yes, actually. Especially in the East.
Double faith has been a thorn in the eye of Russias "Orthodoxy" pretty much since forever, and there's a pagan temple planned for Poland, too.
youtube.com/watch?v=h08ePTbr2yo

Not from here, no.
I live in Germany and my eyes aren't that good.
So, how about that poison?

It's not Halloween, though. And keeping things in the minds of people is intrinsically influential, that's why it's good that there's a Bible, remembrance works even on (false) gods.

And it's a reason why we also still remember our dead even though we could just say "They're in heaven now, the lord remembers for us" but, we're not "knit" like that.

Anyway, have some Perchta stuff, really old stuff, older than Thor and Wotan, actually.

The embed is kinda showy and stuff, but that's alright.
It's better than going full Perchta, really. That would be a lot more scary.
Still, people believe in it well enough to keep things going.

Whoops, linked an inferior video.
This one is more flashy.
Ah, crap, it already exists.

Well, here ya go anyway.
youtube.com/watch?v=mojrfw7SJ14

Good. Thanks for admitting your paid shilling efforts are useless. Leave and never return.
lol yid keeps spamming kikery
lol projection

Reported for ban evasion.

Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, user.

Okay no sources on video bad start but whatever. Watch it later.
My answer is the same, no. Such a stupid question.

People who went outside to partake in a yearly tradition in real life because that's what they do.

Well, the crux here is that I'm not Greek (or Vikang, or Celt) but Christianity is "one truth".

It makes zero sense for me, for example, to expect some pagan in Poland to know of local forest spirits, etc.

But, your actual global messiah said that miraculous abilities will be bestowed upon you if you're baptized and believe and all that.

I know, it's kinda unfair that I don't have to deal with this, but that's how it is.
Sure, I won't go to Christian heaven, but nobody does, anyway because it doesn't exist, so it all evens out.

Hey pagan user, if Europe is to it's core pagan what is America?

Well, two examples are easter and christmas, pagan holidays with christian layered onto them.

They aren't pagan. Most of their traditions can only be traced to the 15th century.

A tragedy, it makes me sad to think about America.
They're in this strange spot where they're lagging behind Europe in ditching Christianity while wearing it in a way no Christian in Europe would ever do.
It's a strange place of ululating pentecostals and magic underwear mormons, strange televangelists and rampant genital mutilation.

It's a bizarre land that got super golemized (aka soulless) and only few people still feel the touch of beauty and strength of the true gods of their people.
Thankfully in a few more thousand years it will all be over.
America just lags behind quite a bit, but they'll manage.
Well, or Yellowstone will martyr all the tragic whites for the good of the world.

Bagans, if we should return to baganism because it's our roots, why stop there? Why not go all the way back to Mesopotamian religion?

Can we cool it with the religious threads? It's just causing unneccessary shitflinging between everyone.

If anyone here thinks that anons, at this point in time, will accept another religion (or lack thereof) than they practice now, they are fooling themselves. The Holla Forums mindset is to put your boots firm on the ground.

Why stop there? Let's return to our prehistoric gods.

I need to get the fuck out of America.

Let's worship rockgrog!

That's untrue, even stonehenge is arranged for summer solstice.

Well, I think that religion is just a layer on that what has always been there.
We probably are worshiping rockgrog and co under different names.

As I said, well okay I have not said the following yet, at least in this thread, but:
Throw any atheist, christian or "bagan" into a dark snowy forest at night that still has wild animals.
Everything will be erased, maybe a few ejaculations (he he he that's what a short uttered prayer is called) to "God" but nobody would see "God" in the shadows, but primal spirits lurking about.
Things that make your whole body electrified without high soaring music or opulent art.
Things that fill your forehead with pure fear and the like, the seed of the first gods, maybe their purest form.
That pumps rage and frenzied, fear fueled violence through your system, to slay the spirits that lurk around you.

Of course, nowadays even the bagans are all mellow, but that doesn't change the truth, I don't think.
There is only so much civilization and thought we can cake over that what is out there, but without Netflix and co, without amenities without carefree livestyle, we'd meet with them right quick.

That's my belief, anyway, or one of them.

=checked=
fuck me, I thought it would be a we wuz kangz tier video but all makes so much sense now.
Thanks user that was great.

>What do (((they))) actually think about Christianity?
useful idiots that deified a zombie kike

That's my take on it. Wasn't it like

I been camping a lone while hunting deer up north. There's bears and a fucking wolves problem there and I never gotten the urge to go frenzied. How is me feeling spirits disproves God?

What I find funny is how they have gone out of their way to declare the older religions as new and label it heanthenry.

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In what fucking reality, Levi?

gobeki tepi busts his history of man at 9m10s.

12:35: the bible validates the bible!
This is the video you guys are holding up as proof of whatever?

God, the history of the universe and mankind, everything that ever existed validates it

Nope.

again at ~20m, his whole narrative of how everything comes together is blown by gobeki tepi.

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Tbh this whole religion thing is really eating at me. I don't like it

Then fuck off and become a fedora. The weak minded aren't needed.

But I believe in the divine and the spiritual you nigger

Then become a le sad demiurge and get assfucked by a mason for the glory of sophia.

He really doesn't. Things he gets right are using the KJB and explaining that Cain's wife was NOT descended from Adam, but he misses the key point by trying to split the creation of man in Genesis 1 instead of realizing the possibility that Cain's wife was a beast.

More specifically, a beast of the field. Just as the supposed talking serpent was in Genesis 3:1. Before it was cursed, it could very well have been a talking beast that appeared humanoid. And Genesis 3:1 says there were other beasts of the field, he was just one. And even later in places like Joel 1:20, Jonah 3:8, and Jeremiah 27:6 the same beasts of the field are mentioned again.

It can be shown that this is a category containing at least the following animals: Asses, owls, and dragons = serpents. But beasts of the field may ALSO contain non-Adamic persons, which are by definition classified as beasts. An interesting cross-reference here is in Job 30 and Isaiah…

Job 30:29-30
I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat.

Isaiah 43:20
The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.

And if this is so, it isn't all that controversial; since after all, in the Bible, fallen man is considered to be, at least in some sense a beast also. Just read Psalm 49 sometime. And with enough study you will find consistently the message that we need the Lord to bring us up again.

The video raised some good points in the beginning, but it also shows an unawareness of quite a bit of the totality of what scripture says. He could have raised the point, for instance, that the new covenant is between whoever would (and could) believe the word of God and that they became the people of God, and all the promises passed (see Galatians 3 and 4) from Abraham to such people as spiritual sons (which is a concept used and actually utilized elsewhere in scripture, for instance Adam is called the "son of God" at the end of Luke 3) and that all the bloodline-related promises pass solely to Jesus, who is the only one worthy to inherit, and from Him to us, and that he is the fulfillment not only of those things but also Genesis 3:15, which is the prophecy all of Adamic mankind has had faith in and been aware of, not a subgroup of it. He could have mentioned that.

If you wanted mention of us being the people of God, all you had to do was turn to 1 Peter 2:9-10, Galatians 3:16, and realize the connection between Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-10.

If you wanted mention of the people who call themselves Jews being liars, all you had to do was turn to 1 John 2:22-23, Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 and John 8:39-42, among others.

Hell we got shit older than kikes ("modern" 6 thousand year old world heblew jew) here in the Americas.
>independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/14000-village-discovered-triquet-island-british-columbia-canada-oldest-settlment-north-america-a7673726.html
I can't wait until they figure out all those ancient civilizations in the Americas were originally established by whites and invaded by shitskins and lesser evolved monkeys during the Archaic period as the "Mayan" civilization was being established.
>news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/02/maya-laser-lidar-guatemala-pacunam/
The reason the Maya weren't "wiped out" and rather declined gradually is because the shitskins bred them out and changed the culture over time. The "civilizations" that followed were rapebabies that came and went in a violent flash. Hell (((academia))) is still trying to push the narrative that the younger Olmecs were the forerunners of the Maya which is utter bullshit. Literally putting the cart before the horse.

In my day we called them niggers.

Wow, you seem really smart. Thank you. I'm rather new to being enlightened on the truth in the Bible, so I should probably keep my mouth shut until I have a good way to redpill normies like you do. It just seemed so eye-opening to me that I didn't want to keep it hidden from the normies like it was from me.

I'm in favor of the guy's videos because he is using the right translation (which is something I can get into but it's a long detour) because it is the received text. And he seems to be doing his level best at bringing understanding, and it's a good attempt overall. But I just think there is some room for improvement. Most importantly, a few of the side points he raised could be rightly argued against with scripture, which would then weaken his general argument and I don't like to see that when he already raised some good points early on. So just take it as a constructive criticism.

You did well don't worry, I was unaware of such perspective before. You have my thanks anons

This guy has it

I would operate under a valid understanding of the Scriptures, which is that people calling themselves Jews today can be generally referred to as "later Jews" because they are the spirital successors to the Christ-rejecting elements that emerged in Judea, and especially Babylon (after the Bar Kokhba revolt depopulated Judea).

I say this "later" to distinguish them from the natural citizens of the southern kingdom of Judah that existed as a nationality until the Romans destroyed it. We can say with certainty that like any kingdom, it had its good and bad. The later Jews however, are more of a caste. They didn't begin to exist until later, and their origin is in Babylon, being the largest hub of rabbinical "oral traditions" and the place where the Babylonian Talmud was written (c.499) making it barely younger than Religion of Cuck™ as far as formation and being codified as a formal religion is concerned. The caste of later Jews has since then spread to Europe through difficult to trace means, probably a gradual diffusion. I call them a caste because they practice endogamy, inbreeding only with themselves, which has resulted in many of the genetic defects now to be found. Similar was the case of the once-believed in "race" of royalty in Europe, who were believed to be a separate nation on their own, despite really just being a caste of inbred Europeans with a bizarre subculture.

Sorry, I meant barely "older" than Islаm, not younger than it.

And it is far more recent than Christianity, which can be said to originate early in the book of Genesis.

B-but Abrahamic n sheit. It didn’t start until after A-abraham right?

There has NEVER been a good Semite, fictional Semite Yeshua included. Get the fuck out you cuck.
The Jews of today are the genetic descendants of the tribes of Israel, as are the Palestinians in fact. There is no point in calling them "later Jews" because Christianity is a false religion and therefore has no objective claim to being any more relevant to the original scriptures than the equally false religion of the Talmudists.

Kill yourself demon worshiper.

On that I beg to differ. You've been subverted. If they get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.

Titus 1:10-11
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

What studies are there showing that they aren't related to those Semitic tribes? How is that not a relevant avenue of inquiry in establishing that the vile race we see today is indeed the same as the degenerates of ancient Israel?
You Christcucks do nothing but spread falsehoods and back them with quotes from texts written by Semites.

Have you read much on ethnogenesis? The kikes we know today came into existence over a period of more than 1500 years of inbreeding, the practice established by the Talmudic scribes in Babylon, which also includes all kinds of pagan rituals like worshipping the moon every month. It is just gnostic, dualistic infused paganism that one clade of semites came up with in Babylon around the year 499 or thereabouts. Yes they are Semites. I don't see how that proves your broader point though, because I agree with you on that and my point still stands.

paganism cannot be killed unless all whites are killed.
what does this mean? the wind still blows and the trees still grow, and whites are still white and can see, so what are you trying to say? where is your spirit?

Dementia.

Jews hate christians, they hate muslims, they hate pagans. They hate all other religions. They hate the goyim. But since Christianity reformed Judaism and it's traditions, they HAVE to reject it, or else they wouldn't be jews.

Again, the Talmud speaks mush harshly on the goyim. This is a reddit-tier /christian/ thread…

No, this is bullshit the kikes make to deflect from their origins and make you accept the "great benevolent jews" of the old testament as role-models or something.

Watch this from 46:00 for state footage of the Third Reich on the subject…

The only narrative assisting the kikes is you pushing their deflections like "the genocidal people of the old testament weren't jews" or "jews are actually khazar". No they are one same Eternal Jew and they all serve satan…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicut_Judaeis

You're right, their entire identity is tied up with rejecting Christ specifically. That is an important point to grasp. But I wouldn't say that their traditions were reformed, I would say they were denied and rejected as amounting to anything. When presented the truth, they had in effect only two responses, either accept or deny. So the ones that denied incorporated that denial into a whole system called Judaism, and took the name of the natural citizens of Judah as theirs. But according to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, this itself is a lie.

Benjamites and Levites are… jews. As Hitler said on Luther… too little, too late. He employed several jews on his bible translation and did more harm than good. Even Kim Jong Un calls out the jews, need I remind you…

the problem is, why would the Rothschilds and the allies use christianity to rouse the goyim against "muh sinful natzees". It answers OP question very well…

Also, here are some interesting yid perspectives on christianity being their "greatest enemy" or whatever

Great post.

Spoke exactly like Goebbels.

There is a great work on this by the so-called "Spiritual Father" of the Third Reich, it's called "Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin" by Dietrich Eckart. Here is a quote:

It all depends on whose history you believe.

"Adam" means "first-man" in hebrew if I recall… Using "biblical narratives" to justify race is all good and such… but out of here, doing so during the Third Reich (as opposed to biologically) would get you expelled from the party…

The Third Reich did take steps towards it pretty well…

The majority of christians are non-whites. The entire churches have been co-opted by (((them))). NSDAP groups and publications, like "Das Schwarze Korps" ranked actions political catholicism alongside those of freemasonry and bolshevism…

And the "biggest killer" of pagans, of europeans, were the "shadowy elites" behind christianity, that carry white genocide to this day…

Divisions over christian dogma have led into thousands of meaningless churches and conflicts over religious interpretation, like the Thirty Years War, that killed almost half of the german population and divide the country up to this day.

The church only appropriated part of pagan philosophical tought that suited their interests and church activities, while banning the rest as "heretical" and even destroying many works, who were lost forever. There is a reason philosophical schools closed with the advent of christianity, and that the platonic academy, for instance, left Greece for Persian Babylon, ressurging later during the times of the caliphate (hence the whole "muslim golden age" myth)…

Since Christianity reformed Judaism and it's traditions, they HAVE to reject it, or else they wouldn't be jews. They do hate muslims and mohomo'd the pedo goatfucker too, mohomo'd the pedo goatfucker killed thousands of jews in arabia. They hate the goyim put that on your head…

I don't think "pagans" believes in conversion. The "universalism" aspect of christianity and Religion of Cuck™, of imposing your own beliefs and rituals on everyone, no matter their quality or origin, is almost distinct to these two religions, many argue, due to influence of the jews, wanting to spread abrahamic customs across the world and use whites to spread materialism and consumerism to the far corners off the earth, and who stood a lot to benefit from a network of abrahamic neighbours, as opposed to what was going on with they having a single kingdom that kept getting ransacked by different pagan groups…

I think "pagans" want to return to what was compatible with their blood, and indeed a product and reflection of it. Mesopotamian religion has little to do with it, it's in fact, a semitic religion.

So, according to the reformed jewish traditions of christianity, old jews aren't "true jews", only christians are the real jews?

To, again, quote Hitler: "The talmud needed not to have been written, for it contains the essence of the mentality of the jewish blood"…

Christianity originating in the book of genesis just proves it is a continued jewish tradition.

The kikes we know today came into existence at least 8000 years ago through the mixing of Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid populations fringing the Near East. If one wants to take the Sumerian creation narrative into account, they were purposefully created as slaves to the Europid colonists, but it's also possible they simply arose through barbarous acts at a confluence point between racial lands. They have been "kikes," that is, hateful and degenerate savages, from the beginning. This can be seen in how the OT itself distorts the superior values of the Sumerian and Egyptian traditions from which it draws. Of course, this is also demonstrated by how every group to ever encounter the Semitic tribes of that region has described them as treacherous subhumans. The ancient Israelites were no more noble than the Jews of today.

Both sides of this debate on Holla Forums seem to be guilty of black and white thinking. Let's establish some premises and see if both sides can agree on them.
A: Christianity began as a Jewish heresy
B: Jews have an atavistic hatred for Christianity and Christians, particularly white Christians
C: Christianity mutated when it came to Europe to become more European, and it is hard to call it a positive or negative influence during the middle ages (monks kept much of the knowledge from the classical period alive and set the foundation for the renaissance, but also exterminated the old pagan religions and the knowledge they kept was hoarded.)
D: Modern Christianity, barring a few minor sects, is against us a whole and shockingly philosemitic compared to what it was in previous eras.
E Many Christians still have the right instincts, and attacking their religion will not get them on our side.

I'm pretty sure these are the same arguments that Hitler and his inner circle were having while they were trying to obtain power, and the conclusion was that they shouldn't attack Christianity, but they shouldn't support it either and hopefully, after they won, they could replace it with something better.

The likes of ancient Christianity only considered whites human. If you want to bring that religion back and slap a new name on it, fine. You’ll get a much bigger following more easily if you continue to call it Christianity though. Larping bagans triggered by “semitic” labeling aren’t that big nor important (and likely just larping d&c kikes anyway.)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchenkampf

Really, all the open non-christian members of the NSDAP, like Bormann, Himmler, Rosenberg, Darré, Hess, Ley and so on are just "larp pretending" and irrelevant? No, the problem here is "christian identity" shills like you, straight out of your containment board, who keep spamming shit like this, "whites are the true jews" and so on, shitting on our threads, and putting "christian identity" above race, and "political christianity" above National Socialism.

The churches are not our allies, especially when they are entirelly co-opted by (((them))) and the majority of it's believers are non-whites. They use their massive resources to… import shitskins and host "hallelujah" singouts to welcome them. There is a problem with the semitic origins of christianity and jews using it to subvert whites, like you just repeated with these Old Testament deturped narratives. If you're so "unconcerned" with "bagans" why do you throw a meltdown over them and over any slight criticism of christianity by NatSocs?

Take this red pill over your "christian identity".

Even Mary’s apparitions said the churches would become corrupt and all the true Christians would be very different from the mainstream ones. You can hate the church all you want but Christ’s doctrine is truth.

Wasn't aware of that article, thanks. It mostly confirms what I knew about the Nazi sentiment regarding Christianity, which I admittedly simplified into a single sentence. I'll point out that anti Catholic sentiment has existed in Germany for hundreds of years, and it's hard to separate that conflict from the Nazis' own efforts. I know the Waffen SS LARPed like they were fighting the 30 Years' War in France and burned catholic churches, but even that article refers to official support for certain protestant churches by the Reichstag.

You've confused something here. Jews were only the natural citizens of the southern kingdom of Judah when it existed. There is nothing special about being a Jew, that's all part of their narrative that is misguided to begin with. The only people who want to claim to be Jewish would be the synagogue of Satan or the later Jews. In fact that's exactly how they are foretold as doing. That's their identifying mark. But along with their claim, which is ironically untrue, they are also the source of placing any emphasis on being Jewish at all. Don't be subverted.

Might be true. They might be beasts as well, for all I know. If so then they definitely would not be able to believe the truth. If it were my words I would put a reverse on this statement and say that the Talmud is what produced the blood in the first place.

Because that's where all the teachings come from, like endogamy and many other selective processes. A thousand years is a lot of time.

The mistake here is thinking that the Semites who lived in Babylon at the start had any substantial relation to the southern kingdom of Judah or to the former nation of Israel at all. They were Semitic alright, as the historic population of Chaldea was. But their claims are false more than anyone else in the world, including on this point. And to accept that is to lose before you even started.

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I'm a National Socialist you dumb nigger. I hate christianity. It's inherently Jewish, inherently cucked and inherently globalist and has always been the same shit it is today. There was never a time where it was based or unified Europe

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Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, the gospel of Matthew begins by saying he was circumcized and tracing his lineage back to King David and Abraham… Jesus himself referred to himself as being one.

And I think their blood is more important than their beliefs, read what Hitler said on Mein Kampf about "baptised jews" being irrelevant, because it's racial…

You have very big misconceptions of religion in the Third Reich. Here have a quick (if faggyfied) explanation of it.

Also, there is another thread on it:

About the same time when a netflix watching atheist feels them.

It's just like lightning just being a harmless electrical phenomenon.

Just saying, everyone has their breaking point, so to speak.
And in these situations nobody would be authoring a bible.

The genetic studies support the hypothesis that the Jews we see in the world today are the descendants of the tribes of Israel. Bickering between rival sects about who the real Jews are does not matter in the face of objective measures. The Christians are not the spiritual successors of Moses and Abraham because neither Moses nor Abraham nor even Yeshua ever existed. They are culture heroes born from the political machinations of Semites, whose genetic descendants are today the ones who have established a hegemony due to the proliferation of Christianity.

Is there a point here?

You may be right. I myself don't know for certain. But what I do know is that there is no reason to accept anything they say as legitimate. I don't accept their claims and for good reason, the word of God speaks directly about them lying about this specific thing. It actually calls them the synagogue of Satan, identifying them "as the ones who call themselves Jews," and says who is a liar if not them that deny Christ.

This is why it's clear that they have no basis in our truth. And since they claimed to, I immediately believed the opposite. And the facts turned out to be on my side. You can only be defeated by your own subversion from choosing to believe their claims at all. But hey, that's up to you not me.

Just to keep this as simple as I can, Jews (i.e. Ioudaios) were a subset of the former united Israel, who were a subset of Semites, which is an actual race.

The New Testament was written by the people of the same race as the Old. Yeshua is a fictional idol created by people of that same race. If you think they are liars and there is no reason to accept anything they say as legitimate, there is no reason to consider Yeshua's myth legitimate either.

Who is Yeshua?

An excuse for the kike to not say Jesus.

Abrahamics don't know what respect is. They live fear-based lives. They honestly can't conceptualize respect. You can't talk to them like they're human, user.

"no u" isn't an argument, dumb shit.

There are 0 problems with some Pagan traditions. They are white and European. As long as people still acknowledge Jesus is Lord, they're fine

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

holy shit you are truly deluded beyond saving

Christian shills on Holla Forums go back and forth on their primary side-step of the month. Last month it was "muh dark ages doesn't real." Which that would be a fascinating topic on its own but the reason why they would bring that up even before anyone would is so they can pre-emptively wipe away any suspicion, which would only arouse greater suspicion in anons. They're so desperate in trying to steer past concrete details that incriminate christianity, so they're now arguing solely based on claims alone. At its core:
What they do there is skip past establishing if christianity actually is good. By avoiding discussion of that issue, and taking it a step further through hyperbole they sell the idea to Holla Forums that being christian is somehow the key to beating the jews and other assorted exaggerations.

And now we're at their latest invention. Sell to Holla Forums unfounded and ''Newly Discovered'" reinterpretations of the bible. As seen in this thread:
Same issue in mind. They're unable to establish legitimacy because the sole basis of that is based on interpretation and the flawed use of using the bible as a historical tool.

At least they're done spamming the catalog daily with, "Convert to [flavor of christianity] because it's the non-cucked non-jewed one]." Funny how those threads never mentioned the latest shill narrative that the real Israelites were white. Wouldn't the non-cucked and non-jew version of christianity already include that by default? You know, if these were valid then wouldn't they have some consistency?

And yet Yeshua is a closer translation than Jesus. Both names are variations of the name Joshua. If that triggers you then you need to re-examine christianity's jewish roots.

If Paganism is a wet log trying to be lit with wet sticks, Christianity is giant turd molded to look like a log. Sure its a little easier to get alight, but youre gonna stink like a streetshitter using cow-pies. I would rather go for the long game win than your short game. And of course, the former will be more difficult.

uhm, yes, I am going to selectively dismiss sources. not because I disagree with them, but because theyre fucking bullshit. the best you can provide me with is a youtube video? are you fucking kidding me? if your youtube video is even remotely true than some of these ideas can be further sourced from first hand materials. Can you provide these first hand sources? I am waiting and have been for a while. You god damn kikes will berate someone for linking to wikipedia, but then use a youtube link like it has any-more veracity and truth.

And the Pagan gods were "Created" because theyre all idols right? Yeah and Yahweh totally isnt just a Jewish idol. what the fuck does that have to do anything anyways? Gnostics would just say your god is the demi-urge then. This argument means nothing to me.

please show me a christian philosopher that does a better job of explaining morality than Aurelius. I have read many theologians and many philosophers, and from what I have read Christian theology is nothing but a pale imitator to Pagan Philosophy, a cheap plagiarization. Just like the rest of your (((Bible))).
thats an argument for monotheism, not for Christianity. Why not be a form of Pagan monotheism like Zoroastrianism, Mithraism or Sol Invitici? Oh right, because you have an inoperable brain tumor convincing you that the Jews are the chosen race, and that their religions are the only ones worth worshiping. This brain tumor of yours is so bad youve actually managed to convince yourself that the white man is the true jew. Depressing.

fucking topkek, please provide. you know the shroud of turin has been discredited for years now right? its a dark ages fake. like basically 99.99 percent of all christian "relics". even your fabled "spear of Longinus" is literally just some frankish spear that they scribbled a bunch of latin on. It probably was used for pagan rituals before it was made into a fake christian artifact.

Yes, such convincing "evidence".

and again, my god is white. yours isnt. Why not be a white monotheist? The All-Father is disappointed in you. All you Christians are his children, and yet you reject him for a foreign god. No wonder the gods have left us.

Only if you use Mishnaic Hebrew, aka "Aramaic."

The originals all say Jesus, they never say anything different Philippians 2:9.

truth must be found through trial and error, not by some kike yelling MY GOD IS RIGHT BECAUSE IM DAH CHOSEN PEOPLE

argument and debate are some of the founding pillars of our race. no wonder you reject that for rabbi-daddys telling you everything.

We do not need to convert shitskins and subhumans. that is all you dipshit christians have cared about the last 1000 years. "muh spics need to be converted ! muh niggers need to be converted !" no they fucking dont, they need to be WIPED OUT. They are a threat to civilization and humanity itself, their existence cannot be tolerated. This is the main reason I despise Christianity. Faggot morals like "mercy" and "forgiveness" have no place in this world, and are only ever invented by a weaker people in order to weaken a stronger people and get them on the same playing field. If the white man chooses Christianity again, we might win this war against the Jew, but we will have mercy on them because such retarded ideas will infect our minds once again. We will have mercy, and the cycle will repeat itself for another 2000 years, and our sons in the future will curse us for being so weak and forgiving. Paganism has no mercy for the weak, the Romans would have entirely wiped out the Jewish race if they had not been poisoned with Christianity.

My Pagan gods have no mercy upon the shitskin, your god probably cares more about them than he does about you.

Hinduism's predictions about the Kali Yuga are even more true than "Marys Apparitions". Does this make Hinduism absolute truth?
The Norsemen and their predictions of Ragnarok are also eerily coming true. Sexual degeneracy will run rampant, brothers will kill brothers, and men will forget their ancestors. Does this make Odin's doctrine truth?

There are 0 problems with some Christian traditions. They are "white" and…. "European". As long as people still acknowledge Odin is All-father, theyre fine.

holy shit you fucking cuckolds live in another world dont you?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God#Etymology_and_usage

The only word that you know your God by literally comes from vikang bagans xDDD

If you think your god's real name isn't Hebrew, when its a fucking Hebrew god, you must be on acid or something. You people genuinely make me kind of sad.

Hello user, I've never had the opportunity to have a discussion with someone who is a self-professed pagan before. Mind if I ask you some questions? I'd like to get a better understanding of your philosophy and your mystical tradition. Just so it's clear from the outset, I am a disciple of Jesus Christ and am a Christian mystic (I am not a gnostic), and have also spent a considerable amount of time studying Hindu tantra and Shaolin/Tibetan buddhism (all of which were ultimately founded by ancient Aryans).

Do you worship Odin? If so, could you describe to me what that looks like for you (do you perform rituals, for example?), and could you describe what the results of this worship are on yourself and your life? Also, do you consider Odin to be a supernatural entity?

I have looked into Odin a bit, and what I've been able to ascertain is that he is two things: Firstly, a man who actually did exist and is the progenitor of the Aryan race (and there is some genetic evidence to suggest that this is the case, for example all blue-eyed people can trace their lineage back to a single progenitor), and secondly, he is an archetype of the fatherly aspect of the Aryan race that exists in our blood (this strays into the realm ancestral memories and things like epigenetics).

I'm of the mind that these things are real, however where my interpretation of Odin may differ from yours is that I perceive him and the things described above as being explicitly part of creation/the universe, whereas I consider God to be something eternal that not only created the universe, but something that is creating the universe at all times in the present moment (the universe is like a song being sung by God's voice).

Within the framework of respecting and understanding things like the reality of archetypal forces present in the DNA and their effect on the consciousness of individuals and groups of individuals that share that DNA, I not only do not see a problem with the concept of things like Odin/Wotan, but can see benefit in being consciously aware of these things. However, where my theology likely diverges sharply from yours (just guessing) is that I do not consider actual worship of anything inside of creation to be a spiritual path that is conducive to ultimately interfacing with the highest truth, and instead reserve my worship for what I perceive as the force that created (and continues to will into existence) creation and everything within it.

I'm interested in your response and hopefully an enlightening discussion on this topic, as like I said I've not yet had the chance of discussing these matters with someone who is a self-professed pagan. I'm very curious to learn of your spiritual practices, and what your thoughts are with regards to my interpretation of Wotan as described above.

From what I've been able to piece together so far, the concept of the "jews" being "God's chosen" is, within the modern context and especially relating to the state of Israel, a rather new concept historically speaking, that is actually the result of a very long psyop conducted by Zionist jews. If you're interested in learning more about this, search for information about the `Scofield Bible`, and its connection to the creation of Zionist Christianity. This is actually an example of idol worship in modern times, as well as an example of the satanic cunning of the ashkenazi jews.

Before the phenomenon of Zionist Christianity, jews in Europe were universally reviled as "Christkillers", and their ability to influence culture and accrue power via the practice of usury severely limited by Christian institutions such as the Catholic church. The hundreds of times they were expelled from our nations throughout the past two millennia were often the result of Christians losing their patience and putting their foot down with regards to the shenanigans of the "Christkillers".

Ironically, Jesus Christ declared to the priest class of his times (whose spirit and wickedness went on to form the basis of modern judaism, i.e. Talmudic judaism) that they were not in fact "God's chosen", and is one of the reasons why they murdered Him.

Well what this comes down to is a matter of faith. Christian faith is founded upon the idea that God came and walked among us in the flesh as the person Jesus Christ, and that he performed some mysterious work in the form of dying and resurrecting Himself from the dead.

I'm guessing you don't share this faith. Could you describe to me what you have faith in and how you came to have that faith (assuming you have faith in something)?

since you have been blessed by the dubs of null I shall answer your questions

Rarely. He is not a god to be trifled with, or to bother with the begging of blessings. His name is related to old German terms meaning "possessed with madness", "frenzy", "anger", "hatred". He is the furious wind that blows through the air and cuts through flesh, he is the anger of a fatherless son on the path for vengeance, he is the all-consuming, fiery hatred that flares in the eyes of a bear as it charges its rival. Of all the Germanic deities Odin is the most transcendental and difficult to understand, a god that mixes the concept of divine hatred with ancient Shamanic rituals and Occult wisdom. See, his name can also be translated as "he who gives inspiration", and was prayed to by poets and skalds to bless them with inspired poetry and divine songs.

I have never directly worshiped the All-father, out of fear, and out of lack of need. He is god of warriors and shamans, and at the time I am neither. When the time is right I shall consecrate his idol and ask for his blessings in war, but we have a long time before open conflict with our enemies is a possibility. My patron god is Freya, for personal reasons, and because I seek her blessings in finding a woman and rearing many children. But her being my patron does not mean she is higher on the hierarchy; Odin is All-father, he is the divine king of the Heavens, and this must always be respected.

You are right that he was once a man. Snorri Sturluson, oddly enough, gives two origins for Odin as a mortal. In one, (the Prose Edda) he humanizes Odin and gives the impression he was just a once great Aryan king, skilled in technology and magic, who was revered as an ancestor-god for many thousands of years. However in another account (the Yngling Saga) he claims that Odin was more something akin to an Avatar as they are understood in Hinduism; it is said that he came from the heavens, that he led the Aryans from central Asia into Europe, and that he had command over life and death and many supernatural powers. Perhaps the best evidence of his godlike nature in this account is that when Odin tires of life on the mortal realm, he commands himself to die, implying that only a god of death can kill a god of death. Snorri is kinda a mixed bag when it comes to sources; he very clearly was trying to Christianize some elements of Norse mythology to make it more palatable to the masses at the time, but he also seems to be somewhat sympathetic to the Pagan faith and does much to preserve its knowledge. I think the fact that he gives a much more Pagan origin myth to Odin in the Heimskringla is evidence of this; I do not buy the scholarly consensus that Snorri had purely selfish or Christian reasons for preserving the myths, if that was true he would not have preserved them at all.

As to Odin's nature, I believe that he came as an Avatar on this world and created the Aryan race as you have stated, but I am unsure if this was Odin's true incarnation. I think he has always existed in some form or another, but before he was always a mysterious, ethereal force, a watcher in the dark. When he first came to Man and made himself known, teaching us the ways of the berserk and the secrets of the runes, he became a true god. There is a part in the Grimnismal where Odin speaks of several different names, some of which are just titles of Odin, but others are true names, and finishes with the phrase:

"Now they call me Odin, but erewhile the Dread One,
Thund was I called before that,
Watcher and Shaker, Destroyer and Counsellor,
Maker and Carver among gods,
Weaver and Soother, names of which
All have become one within me, Odin."

He seems to implying that he has existed for many millennia, worshiped as a thousand different gods across the world, but his true form has always been the All-father. He also seems to implying that he will always exist, known to men under different guises. Tolkien had an interesting theory in Lord of the Rings; Gandalf the Grey essentially represents Odin in his archetypal form, while Gandalf the White represents Odin in his fully manifested form as Christ. Obviously I disagree in some ways, Tolkien was Catholic after all, but I think there is some truth to it. Christ does essentially look like Odin, and in the Heimskringla, it is said that Odin can manifest himself as either shining brilliantly, with blond hair and blue eyes, bringing peace and joy to men, or can appear as a demon, with an aura of darkness and dread around him.

It does seem like it, doesn't it? I hope it does not come true in the sense that only two individuals will survive what is coming and essentially "reboot" humanity as the new Adam and Eve. In some sense it sounds nice… the idea of a rebirth this pure… but it is a depressing idea that so many Aryan bloodlines would be annihilated.

The doorway to the divine is, without question, the human nervous system. Many ancient traditions have focused on how to purify the nervous system to achieve oneness (yoga) with the divine to varying degrees.

The question becomes: Did all human beings throughout history have zero communion with, or even philosophical understanding of, the divine, before Jesus Christ walked among us?

I would have to say no, of course not. Even from a biblical perspective, it's worth noting that that there are many individuals in the Old Testament who had close relationships with God before Jesus Christ appeared and did His work. A good example is Enoch; in fact the bible hints that he did not even die a physical death due to the depth of his communion with God. There are myths and legends throughout history of similar occurrences (physical immortality or extended lifespans), many within the tradition of Eastern mysticism, including Hinduism, from which the concept of the yugas originates from.

So throughout human history we have human beings reaching towards the divine, and engaging in spiritual practices to seek out oneness and interaction with the divine. The question is: What bearing and relevance does Jesus Christ have in the human quest for the divine, and what did Jesus Christ have to say about it?

John 2:19-22

Christ taught that our bodies are the temple of God, and that God does not dwell within buildings. I will elaborate on this and its connection to other mystical traditions, as well as what I perceive to be the unique significance of Jesus Christ's work as it pertains to this, in a later post.

TLDR: Human beings have been interacting with (or trying to interact with) the divine since always, and Jesus Christ contributed something unique and mysterious to humanity's relationship with the divine.

So yes, I do believe Odin is a supernatural entity, but I also believe he has a foot in the physical world. He is a harsh and brutal god, but ultimately he loves Mankind, and is harsh on us because he is preparing us for the final cosmic conflict between good and evil. Probably the most transcendental aspect of Odin is his hanging on the Yggdrasil, an act of suffering and self-sacrifice that is ultimately done for the benefit of humanity, as he gives us the wisdom of the runes, of writing and reading (and there is some growing evidence that proto-runic symbols were the origin of writing, not cuneiform as has been traditionally accepted, google Vinca and Axe culture symbols, it is nothing that can be surely verified as no one has translated the Vinca symbols, but they are clearly some form of Pictogram writing) . I used to assume that this myth has obvious Christian contamination considering how similar it is to Christ's crucifixion, but Tacitus claims that the Germanic tribes would sacrifice war-captives to "Mercury/Mars" by hanging them from trees and stabbing them through the side. I do not like alot of Christianity but I understand why it is liked by my brothers, many of the Christian myths resonate with themes and archetypes we have known for millennia.

I am not sure if Odin is the ultimate creator or not. He is said to have created Mankind, to have carved the earth out of Ymir's flesh, and to have gifted us with speech, writing, technology and understanding. But the cosmos that existed before Ymir is never explained well and was not created by Odin; and Odin himself was created out of the cosmic Ice that once enveloped the entire universe. He was not created by any sentient being, but rather "licked into shape" by a giant cow, which seems silly, but to me is representative of his self-generative nature. All the other gods are said to have been created by Odin, or their origins are unknown (like the Vanir). I am open to the possibility of there being an ultimate creator, who created Odin and by extension, the gods and humanity, but I do not believe it was the god of the Abrahamic religions.

An I am unsure of Jesus Christ himself, I do not worship him but I dont think he was a bad guy. I dont think its impossible that he was a god-incarnate, but since it has happened before, I do not believe this makes him the one true god.

I have faith in the gods, and I am pious and zealous man, unlike many Pagans. I will admit this, Paganism is in a much sorrier state than Christianity, and I seek to repair the damage that has been done, both from within and without. I am always interested in civilized discussion amidst a board of shitflinging and Jewish lies.

Wikipedia? I'm not even gonna bother.

Can you speak English? Stop being this awkward and make your point.

Couple things here. First off, I only direct my worship to the God that created all things. That's precisely who I am acknowledging. Not something someone made up. That's the difference between the true God and your gods. Not being made up.

Secondly, God's name given in the so-called tetragrammaton is already translated for us in the New Testament. Every single time ancient Hebrew is quoted in Greek in the New Testament, the word for His name is translated to "κύριος" which is the Greek equivalent of "Lord." From this now you know what it is, being translated to English, as well. As for transliterating the exact pronunciation of the name, guess what? The written form they are using has no vowels (pronunciation marks or anything). Modern idiots since the 20th century only use Mishnaic and modern Hebrew, both of which are fraudulent reconstructions, to insert what they think the vowels are. But they are all wrong. It's that simple.

Now if you keep listening to them, it's not my fault what happens to you afterward. And another thing, the Lord Jesus Christ is literally the Lord, in addition to all the other things He is. He is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Thank you for your replies! I found them very educational. I'm impressed with the depth of your knowledge. It's evident that there is a rich cultural history of European spirituality, and its frankly no surprise to me that there would be a resurgence in interest in the exploration of this history in the face of the attempted extermination of our people and cultures by the jew, not to mention that we are living in the information age.

What you wrote about Odin was very interesting, and it more or less agrees with what I professed my understanding of him is. In fact, I think much of what you wrote confirms my deeper suspicions (that I didn't elaborate on) that he was a man who had also achieved a great deal of advanced spiritual attainment (and thus power). It is not unusual for, long after the death of individuals such as that, that the legend of their time on Earth form into myth, and that myth be integrated into the tapestry of the human mythology/spiritual conception of the world of the people they were among. A good example of this is the Hindu god Shiva, who was also an actual human being that achieved an extremely high degree of spiritual attainment (Shiva is the `King of Yogis`, pic related), and was eventually transformed over time into a god.

Actually much of what I'm interested in discussing relates to the concept of Avatars and their relationship to their students (disciples), what it entails to the disciples and how it relates to God, and how exactly this relates to Jesus Christ.

The question is: Was there something unique about Jesus Christ? Was he just another human who attained a high degree of spiritual attainment (biological enlightenment/supreme buddhahood)? Or was He something different?

The new agers, such as for example Eckart Tolle (he is essentially an advaita vedanta guru – non-dualism folks), teach that Jesus Christ was a buddha-like figure. I used to actually believe this myself, but I have a different understanding now, and I hope I'll be able to get my thoughts across meaningfully in a follow up post.

Pic related is another Avatar, Gautama Buddha, another human being that achieved supreme attainment of human biological enlightenment. Some people worship buddha, and various legends turned into myths, over time, turning him into a god-like figure (just like Shiva, and also, I suspect, Odin).

It will come true, but probably not quite as literally as it is stated in the myths. Even when I was Christian, I always knew Revelations was probably the most true of the books in the Bible.

Kali Yuga is the last age in Hindu cosmology, not related to Yoga. Also not related to Kali the Goddess, who is actually supposed to be benevolent in traditional Hinduism, surprisingly. In Hindu cosmology there are supposed to be 4 Ages, very similar to the 4 Ages described in Metamorphoses by Ovid. First there was the Golden Age, when men lived closest to the Gods and there was very little war, hunger, greed or sin in general, basically nonexistent. Then came the silver age, when men first began to slip into war and hedonism, but ultimately retained magical powers and godlike status. They no longer lived amongst the gods, but lived as mortals on earth, and could communicate directly with the gods. Then came the copper age, when the magical powers of mankind waned even more to the point of being almost nonexistent. Our ties to the gods were minimal and mostly carried out rarely by soothsayers and priests. Our sins worsened, as we became more depraved and animal, and this caused our distance to the gods to become even further. Then lastly came the Iron Age, or Kali Yuga, which is supposedly what we live in currently. Men have given in fully to base desires, living on war and hedonistic pursuits. Religions will become corrupted and their teachings twisted against their original meanings. Men will forget the gods and their faiths and be atheists, with no laws or morals to guide them. One phrase I remember very well, "Kings will live like Thieves and Thieves will live like Kings". Very eery.

I do not use idols to house the gods but rather as representations, I think they are useful tools in worship to focus on. The Romans claimed the Germanic tribes did not use idols and thought the idea of trapping gods inside temples was abominable, but then he also speaks of temples in other parts of Germania. These were likely open-air temples or just groves though. There are mentions of the Great Temples at Uppsala and Trond, but just because the Vikings worshiped the same gods does not mean their customs were the same as the Germanic tribes from nearly 1000 years earlier. There are some idols that have been dug up in Germany, like pic related, but it is hard to tell how many of them represent gods and how many represent ancestor figures of some kind. Personally though I agree, the human body and mind are more sacred than any constructions, and these constructions are ultimately just extensions of us. This does not disprove Pagan deities though, as Idols merely represent their power, and are not the actual god themselves.

I would say that without a doubt, Hindu cosmology was conceptualized by Hindu mystics who practiced yoga (yoga just means "to yoke with" or "oneness", and the goal of yoga is oneness with either/both the divine Self and God).

This is similar to how I do not worship digital images of Jesus Christ, but I find photos/scans of paintings of Jesus that have been created throughout the centuries to be inspirational.

The crux of the matter, for me, is that I do not want to worship anything that was created/is the universe, and wish to worship the eternal creator God who spoke creation/the universe into existence.

The reason for this is important, and relates to the phenomenon of human biological enlightenment. To put it simply, biological enlightenment (buddhahood, as it is sometimes called) reveals to one that one is in fact the entire universe and everything within it. We are creation. [note to Christians reading this: This does not detract whatsoever from the reality of individual human souls and the importance of the human experience itself – I am not a gnostic]

What this means is that if one worships anything inside of creation, one is engaging in worship of Self.

Now, if one glimpses the truth of the nature of consciousness and one's existence, one's oneness (yoga) with the universe/Self (and that includes all Avatars such as Shiva/Buddha/Odin), the question still remains: What created the universe, and what lies outside of the universe?

To return to the topic of Avatars and human enlightenment, and specifically to the idea of Jesus Christ being a buddha-like figure: It is without a doubt the case that Jesus Christ exemplified supreme attainnment of human biological enlightenment, as many Avatars (i.e. gurus) have throughout history. I cannot stress this enough: Human enlightenment is a biological process, and it can be accomplished with or without God's help.

There is a phenomenon of discipleship with Avatars (and even gurus of lesser attainment), whereby they accrue a group of followers that are seeking the divine, and the disciples sit with them and seek guidance from them. Part of it is guidance in the form of the teaching of wisdom and spiritual practices, but there is also another more mysterious aspect to discipleship in which the disciples and the Avatar/guru experience a type of oneness on some spiritual level, which helps propel the disciples towards oneness with the divine (Self and/or God).

This mysterious process involves purification of the human nervous system (dissolving of karma / sin).

Continued in next post.

To understand Jesus Christ as an enlightened human being is only to understand half of His story. There is a point at which faith enters the picture as well, which is an entire topic of its own, but first let us explore the nature of Jesus. He actually made it quite clear that He was God (I AM THAT I AM) in flesh, Christ the messiah. I won't start quoting scripture, but if you want to study the New Testament for evidence of this, it's there.

The significance of this is profound, because of the work Jesus did on the cross. Essentially, human beings cannot commune directly with the divine because of sin, because of impurity of our spirits / nervous systems (i.e. karma).

Spiritual traditions such as, for example, the eight limbed yogic path, are actually a blueprint for how to live life to dissolve as much karma in the nervous system as possible, so that one can someday experience yoga/oneness with Self and/or God. Within those traditions those who reach high levels of attainment, or even full enlightenment (buddhahood), sometimes become gurus and help their disciples along the path as described above, literally becoming one with their disciples and helping them dissolve the blockages in their nervous system (karma).

What Jesus Christ did was this: He took on all of the sin / karma of every single human being for all of eternity who accepts Him as their master (becomes His disciple), allowing any human being to achieve instant oneness (yoga) with God (the Holy Spirit – the bible describes the process as baptism by fire, and it is palpable). This is far beyond anything any human buddha has ever done or ever could do, and this is because Jesus Christ was God Himself. The process of bearing this karma/sin actually began long before He was crucified, but in the Garde of Gesthemane, wherein he began sweating blood as the weight of unfathomable sin began bearing upon Him (there is an ancient Chinese saying: "May you become enlightened in one week!", because such an experience would likely kill someone as they experience lifetimes worth of karma in a short period of time).

Jesus Christ exhibited perfect human enlightenment because the spirit of God Himself was indwelling the human body of Jesus, and the spirit of perfection cannot inhabit the temple without making the temple perfect. In essence, Christ's buddhahood was simply a side-effect of God Himself inhabiting a human body, and not only that, but that same transformative process of oneness with God leading to perfection of the temple (body) is open to anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord.

Normally, oneness with (yoga) with God is not possible until after oneness with Self is achieved (human enlightenment). These ideas have been explored for millennia in spiritual texts, such as the concept of Atman (Self) and Brahman (God) in Hindu theology (though there have been arguments about whether Atman and Brahman are separate or not, for millennia – I think you can see where I stand on this matter).

In essence, Jesus Christ, as God manifesting Himself in human form, is the ultimate yoga master of all time, the King of all yogi Kings, in that He can instantly yoke you into oneness with God simply through loving devotion and faith in Him.

It is worth noting that one of the eight limbs of yoga is Bhakti yoga, which is loving devotion to a master, and throughout the ages many sages and gurus have declared that Bhakti yoga is the most powerful (produces fastest results) form of yoga. It is simply loving devotion through the heart chakra to God (or an Avatar).

Jesus Christ is the ultimate Avatar, because He was not a human being who achieved enlightenment and/or oneness with God, but He was God Himself in human form, offering direct discipleship to any human being who wants to experience yoga with God.

As the Holy Spirit inhabits the temple, God tranforms the temple over time to be perfect, so human biological enlightenment is in fact a byproduct of faith in Jesus Christ. This process has been seen throughout the ages in various saints and monks, a good example is Saint Francis of Assissi, who was known for lapsing into states of meditative ecstasy of oneness with God (the ecstasy is produced by the process of human biological enlightenment, i.e. the Kundalini process as described in Hindu tantra, called Tummo by the Tibetan buddhists).

This is why and how Jesus Christ is different than other human beings who have exhibited biological enlightenment throughout history, and the only way to truly prove it to yourself, ironically, is to experience the process of baptism by the Holy Spirit. It ultimately requires a leap of faith (faith is a type of magic).

I hope I have been able to clearly elucidate to you why I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, and why I seek to worship God who speaks the universe into existence, and not anything inside of that creation (my Self).

Two things here.

This is grounded in reincarnation and I already mentioned Hebrews 9:27 in the image. It is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Secondly, 1 Corinthians 10:20-21

It's literally a coded message for other jews signaling for the jewish destruction of Rome. A more accurate comparison for Revelations is that it's Isaiah 2.0.

He's a donut steel caricature meant to rip off other Sun Gods from white pagan pantheons. You're better off studying those instead of a jewish donut steel counterfeit. All reverence attributed to him is nothing more than theater.

Hello brother, I'm glad you wish to correct me and to apply discernment using the Word. I will try to clarify what I meant with regards to the things you highlighted.

Karma = obstructions in the soul that prevent one from being one with God. It is sin. In the physical body one of the ways this manifests is imperfection/obstructions in the nervous system (including e.g. physical neural patterns in the brain – think of the way that watching pornography warps the brain, for example).

I do not worship anyone but Jesus Christ, the Lord God almighty, nor am I recommending anyone do otherwise.

What I was trying to say about "Avatars" is that any being who was not Jesus Christ, even if they were perfectly enlightened (human enlightenment is not the same as being one with God, it's a biological state of the human body), were not God, and they are not worthy of worship. They were just human beings like us, exemplifying human enlightenment. In Christian traditions we call these people saints, though the situation is a little different because these people are also one with the Holy Spirit (God), and their sainthood is (usually only) a by-product of God's spirit indwelling their temples (human bodies).

Worship of a human being, even if they are a saint, is still worship of creation rather than He who speaks creation into existence.

I must admit I have no hard evidence that this is something that is the case, but I have maybe had some hints while in meditation and perhaps also when the Lord has taken me in the spirit (once, to meet my ancestors in a place full of light). Please note that these experiences happened long after I became a Christian, and when I was taken in the spirit and meeting my ancestors/family, we were praising the Lord and singing, so please rest assured it was not a demonic hallucination.

I don't think it really matters whether or not one thinks reincarnation is part of reality or not, so long as one truly believes the gospel. I don't think they are mutually exclusive concepts. I will admit that I do think that reincarnation is more likely to be real than the idea of eternal damnation/torture of consciousness that has not had the opportunity to hear the gospel, I simply cannot fathom the spirit of God I am familiar with doing that to one of us.

What do you think of the bible seemingly indicating that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah?

I don't care, I'm not worshiping an image of Jesus. It's simply a symbolic image. My conception of Christ's divinity has nothing to do with the length of His hair.

Why exactly? What do you think my case is?

I'm not aware of another case of a man coming as God in the flesh and raising from the dead after taking on all of our collective sin. Could you give me some links to look at?

The bottom line is that I have experienced union with God (the Holy Spirit) by having faith in Him. Take that testimony for what you will.

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How can I properly meditate? have you some recommend reading on the matter? Thanks user

The character Jesus is an amalgamation of pre-existing deities from past religions, mainly sun gods. Jews were in the habit of dabbling in the religions of neighboring white religions. Moreso, Jesus is the brainchild of Saul of Tarsus.

Remember, the Pauline Epistles were verifiably written before the four gospels. Contained in them is the concepts for the Jesus character, explaining the contradictions that appear in the four gospels. This makes the Pauline Epistles a manuscript and an epistolary novel.

Your "testimony" has null value. Religious fervor is irrelevant to historical accuracy. Having reverence for something does not equate to that something possessing legitimacy.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Despite the fact that the word of God says otherwise? Have you read Romans 9 or Luke 16 lately? Maybe 2 Peter chapter 2 or the epistle of Jude would be more suitable.

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

John 1:21 would clearly indicate otherwise. I would say it's another case of spiritual successors, like how Jesus is call the "last Adam" in 1 Corinthians 15:45. And furthermore from the word of God in Hebrews 9:27 the concept is directly set aside. Yet of course most heathen will always be fascinated with this simply because it lessens the impact and responsibility of death. That doesn't make it any less of a false teaching, however.

The chapter of 2 Timothy chapter 3 is a good response to this situation.

I'm just saying since you posted it, I personally wouldn't do that. It could create a stumbling-block for someone else.

I myself am not wholly certain, but that doesn't stop me from assuming the best and praying for the rest. Remember what Jesus said in John 12:48. And back in John 8: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Reincarnation has been studied objectively, the writings of Semites do not matter.

Sorry user, Jesus was not saying here "you must have a perfect interpretation of everything in the bible, understand all of it without having any questions, or you are going to hell". That's utter nonsense. Is that what you are actually trying to say here? Christian theologians and philosophers have debated the meaning of the bible and the ideas within it for millenia.

I stand by what I said: Salvation (including oneness with the Holy Spirit) does not hinge on whether or not you understand everything in the bible, but on faith in the gospel.

It's something I've thought about quite a lot, and thank you for the passages from scripture. The reason I've thought about it so much is because the concept of "eternal" torture and punishment for someone who has simply not heard the gospel in their lifetime (most of humanity throughout history) makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Do you really think God, the Father of Lights, who is LOVE, would take one of us and torture us for eternity, simply because we hadn't even heard of Jesus Christ while we were alive? I have trouble believing that this is true. It seems more likely to me that God, who is unconditional love (Agape), would want to give his children the opportunity to grow and learn from their mistakes.

In the case of extremely evil people, I do think there are spiritual consequences for their behavior after they die, likely even involving hellfire as the bible describes.

I can see what you mean, but I would argue that those people also don't fully grasp the impilications of reincarnation as a concept. What it actually implies in its fullest sense, is that anything you do to others, you are doing directly to yourself. If you are causing harm to another human being, you are causing harm to yourself, and you WILL experience that suffering yourself.

If you would like to see some of the fruits of this philosophical concept, go and look at the Tibetan buddhist monks, and see what they have to say on the subject of compassion and lovingkindness.

I appreciate and can see that you are genuinely concerned about others, but I really think you're being overly legalistic. For all you know a nice painting of the idea of Jesus Christ could be what leads someone to exploring the word and to their faith.

God is the truth and it is His spirit that sets us free.

A man walks down from a hill. There is another man standing at the bottom of the hill.

The man who walked down the hill says to the other man: "There is a well at the top of the hill. I drank from the well, and my thirst is quenched. If you are thirsty, journey to the top of this hill and your thirst will be quenched as well."

The man who was standing at the bottom of the hill says: "I can see no outward evidence that your thirst is quenched, and I thus have no reason to believe you that there is a well at the top of this hill. I'm staying here."

Have you heard of the concept of genetic memories? Memories of our ancerstors stored in our DNA. I've seen some postulate that memories of past lives could (at least potentially sometimes) be the result of ancestral memories. Have you heard of this concept?

Can you hook me up with some links or other sources so I can explore this idea? Never heard of this before. Thanks user.

I'd certainly not be at all surprised by confirmation of specific information being transmitted through DNA and it even fits for the type of past life memory cases where children seem to take on aspects of grandparents, but it certainly doesn't fit cases where children are born with birth marks (and memories) matching wounds received by non-blood related individuals slain months before in other villages/regions.
Some shamanic traditions regarding the cosmic serpent have been viewed as meaning that the source of wisdom (which often gives knowledge related to other DNA-based lifeforms, such as which plants can be used to create certain medicines) contacted by the shaman is actually within his own DNA rather than being a purely external spirit.

If it walks like a straw man and talks like a straw man, it probably is a straw man.

What I am really saying from the start is that the scripture plainly and unequivocally states there is no reincarnation, see Hebrews 9:27 firstly, making this a satanic concept. And to say otherwise constitutes rejection of the words that God spoke in favor of someone else's word. I'm just trying to warn you that the word of God will be the ultimate standard by which your decision will be measured. In its entirety, that word will be there. Not a single word of it is going away, and you've been told in advance it is the basis of all judgment.
Some have been wrong. This doesn't somehow make truth any less objective or knowable. I wouldn't want anyone to imply it does.
That's because the vast majority of people assume most things happen by accident or happenstance. When in reality, they don't. I believe Romans 1:20 is true for every single person.
You're missing a few facts that we know from the word of God. For starters, without God sustaining a person every second, they can't even live. So is the Creator obligated to keep his own creation alive and continue to provide things for them endlessly? The answer is no.

And the answer to your question is yes I really think that the Creator is more capable of determining justice than anyone or anything else. Therefore, there is no doubt that what God purposed to tell me in his word is both accurate and also the most righteous thing to do from an objective standpoint. I'm not constantly doubting God's ability to give his word, I have actual confidence in that superiority.

One thing I know is that nature itself teaches that for a man to have long hair is a shame unto him. That is objectively so, making a depiction of the Lord Jesus Christ as such obscene. It's not my word against someone else's, that's from God's actual word. It is found, specifically, in 1 Corinthians 11.

It's how I interpreted your words, and I asked if it was what you meant.

And here again, my interpretation (that you called a straw man), seems to in fact have been correct. It seems to me that you are saying that salvation hinges on perfect interpretation of the entire bible. Please feel free to correct my understanding of your words.

At no point was I trying to argue for truth being in any way relative. The point I am trying to make, is that I do not believe that salvation is dependent upon perfection of intellectual understanding of all concepts presented in the bible. I simply pointed out that Christian theologians and philosophers have debated the meaning of many things in the bible, for millennia, with my point being that if they did not end up with the correct interpretation of some piece of scripture, it does not change the fact that they were disciples of Christ, and one with the Holy Spirit.

Could you please clarify: Do you think that salvation is dependent upon an individual having perfect understanding of everything in the bible, without error? Or maybe it would be better to just ask: What confers salvation to an individual, in your view?

Can you please clarify: Do you believe that billions of human beings who never had the opportunity to hear the gospel, are now being tortured eternally in hell, and that it's no accident, because God judged these people of not being worthy of even hearing the gospel?

Well if we're to believe that God tortures a person eternally in hell, then that is God choosing to keep a being in existence with the sole intent of torturing them. If your argument is that God would like to simply stop willing a being into existence, then why not just make them cease to exist, rather than sustain their consciousness and torture it eternally?

Most artistic depictions throughout the millennia depict the Lord with long hair, since they were relative to the culture which produced the art. Shall we destroy all of these thousands of paintings that line the walls of our museums, since they are obscene in your eyes? Shall we take sledgehammers to Michaelangelo's The Pieta?

Are you an iconoclast, by chance?

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Hello user, it depends what your goals are. Here are some examples of goals that people have with regards to meditation:

1. Oneness with God.
2. Oneness with Self.
3. Spiritual / phenomenal experiences.

Number 3

This a pretty common goal you'll see people have. While the desire for direct experience of the supernatural or connection to spiritual realms etc. is very understandable (and part of the human condition, e.g. humans seem to have some inbuilt desire to alter their consciousness), aiming to have these experiences as a goal unto itself is unfortunately quite dangerous, as well as ultimately a waste of time. It leads to nowhere.

The reason it's a waste of time is that spiritual experiences such as visions are actually like scenery passing by on the side of the road as you walk down the road on your journey to a real destination. They are mostly a byproduct of the human nervous system undergoing changes, and are ultimately for the most part illusory. These things come and go, and are not the destination. An example of people who pursue altering consciousness to pursue phenomenal experience as an end unto itself are those who abuse psychedelic drugs, which unfortunately does harm to the nervous system.

The reason that it's dangerous is because sometimes at the root of the desire for spiritual experiences is a desire for power. Wanting special experiences and power are traps of the ego mind (brain computer concept of self), and these desires can be exploited by malicious non-physical entities (i.e. demons). Even Jesus Christ was presented with this temptation of power while He was in the desert, and rejected the devil's offer of dominion over the entire Earth. What can happen to individuals who are not walking with God and who desire for their ego to be bolstered or protected is that evil entities can influence their consciousness, giving these individuals the illusion of having special powers or special experiences (when in reality it's nothing of the sort).

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Number 2

Oneness with Self (capital S) is actually the traditional goal of most spiritual traditions that teach various forms of yoga and meditation. These practices focus on two things: Purification of the nervous system, and queting of the nervous system. The ultimate goal is a transformation of the human nervous system into a state of being that is commonly called `enlightenment`. Various traditions have different names for this process of transformation as well as for the culmination of this transformation (e.g. enlightenment, bodhi, kensho, satori, ushta, moksha). It's worth noting that there has been debate throughout all of time about what degree of attainment actually denotes achievement of final/supreme enlightenment, with some even arguing that no such state actually exists, i.e. that the potential for transformation is infinite. Most systems do have some concept of what supreme enlightenment consists of with regards to state of consciousness as well as outward physical indications of the degree of attainment. Some systems even have names for states of consciousness/attainment that are not considered to be full enlightenment, but states in between and on the way to full attainment (notably the term kensho in Zen buddhism, which describes a sort of glimpse of enlightenment consciousness that is not permanent).

Ultimately this boils down to a realization (not an intellectual understanding) that one is actually pure consciousness, and identification with this consciousness rather than with the ego mind of the body (the illusory self, lowercase s, of the body brain). Realization is not really a good word, transformation is a better word, since this state of consciousness is actually the result of physical changes that the human nervous system undergoes over a (usually long) period of time. I suppose the word realization stems from how, though the process of transformation is very incremental in nature, there do occur sometimes moments during this transformation where the yogi's consciousness experiences a sudden palpable shift. Have you ever been leaning back on your computer chair, and you suddenly reached a point of balance (the tipping point) where you realized you can no longer tip the chair back forwards and that you are going to fall backwards, then suddenly you fell uncontrollably backwards? I would compare it to that, though fortunately you do not end up falling into a hard surface, but more dissolve into an infinite falling backwards.

If you want to pursue union with Self, I would recommend studying the eight limbed yogic path. It is actually a system of how to live one's life so as to achieve as much purification of the nervous system as possible, with the goal being transformation leading to enlightenment. With regards to sitting practices, two of the eight limbs of yoga are pranayama (breathing exercises, which purify the nervous system) and dhyana (meditation, including mantra meditation, for quieting the nervous system). Another limb is asana (physical postures, what most think of when they hear the word yoga) which are actually designed to quiet the nervous system in preparation for pranayama and dhyana.

Pursuit of oneness with Self can be done with or without God's help, since purification of the nervous system can be pursued in a purely mechanical biological fashion.

Number 3

I will write another post to give you my thoughts on pursuit of oneness with God, as well as how I think it relates to oneness with Self. Some thoughts on the matter here:

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If someone chooses to reject the central truths given in God's word, it shows that they are placing something else higher than it. In this case there is no way you can misinterpret the statement that it is appointed to men once to die and after this, the judgment. That doesn't leave any gray area, either you believe this or not. The fact you pretend it does leave a gray area is how I deduce that you are actually implying the truth itself is relative and that literally all things, even the most basic facts like this, are open to interpretation; but you just don't want to come out and say it directly.

This is not something that's questionable or vague if the final authority is God's word, which is another doctrine Jesus Christ has clearly said. Therefore, someone who is dabbling in concepts that directly contradict it bewrays their own low opinion of his words by that very action.

You want my view because as a fallible individual, you can proceed to tell yourself it's all subjective. Instead what I can tell you is to search the Scriptures for yourself and you will find it if that's what you're really looking for.

I don't think it's that simple, user.

Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Likely numbering in the billions of people are. But they did have a chance, they just didn't take it. We all rightfully deserve the same if it wasn't for the blood of Jesus Christ that He chose to sacrifice for us.

Job 34:10-12
Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.

Romans 3:10-12
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Exactly, it looks like you're starting to learn. I guess if you chose not to hear anything else I have said here, at least you got this.
That's not my argument and shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory?

Yes, does that contradict anything I've said?
No need to. I just don't appreciate such depictions because of aforementioned Scripture.
No. I'm just an independent Baptist, nothing special

You didn't answer my questions.

What I've tried to elucidate is that arriving at an interpretation of scripture that is closest to the true meaning is an intellectual endeavor that is separate from salvation, either through faith or through works (another discussion altogether).

What I perceive as the problem with your line of reasoning is that you are ultimately making an appeal to some authority, either yourself or some other unknown authority, on an interpretation of the bible, and declaring that if others do not share the same interpretation as you that it is ultimately a barrier to a relationship with God, and you've failed to clearly define what the exact nature of that barrier is.

For example, I've repeatedly asked you if your believe the nature of this barrier is tantamount to failure to achieve salvation in Christ, and you keep deflecting the question. I would appreciate it if you would be more specific.

I do agree with you that failure to understand much of what God teaches in the word will lead to behavior that can lead to unhappiness in this life (for example, the teachings of Ephesians 5 are a blueprint for a happy marriage). What you have failed to do, so far, is convince me that interpretation of the words of Hebrews 9:27 in any way other than your own will lead to suffering in this life time, or, if it is what you are actually arguing, failure to obtain salvation in Christ.

For the record, I actually do not agree that your interpretation of Hebrews 9:27 is necessarily correct, or that its meaning is necessarily immediately clear and obvious, as you state.

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More evasion. This is not true, the reason for asking you what you consider to be the basis of salvation is because the nature of what is required for salvation is at the very root of the theology of the various Christian traditions. I want to know where you stand on this, and I think it's rather clear that the reason I'm asking you is because I think you seem to be indicating that correct intellectual interpretation of scripture, based on the decree of your preferred authority, is what salvation hinges on. Please consider answering my questions so that the discussion can proceed.

That's objectively false. Many millions, if not billions, of human beings lived and died before Jesus Christ even did His work here, for example.

What about the many people in the Old Testament who had relationships with God before Jesus Christ came, such as Enoch? The bible is quite clear that God loved them and they loved God. Why did God take Enoch?

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If you really want to get down to it, it's not. See for instance 1 Corinthians 1 and 2. But that is diverging from the point here.
Take for instance John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Or Romans 10:14-17
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

From this we see that to gladly receive the word of God is necessary. You can't simply bypass this either, take for instance Galatians 1:9, or 2 Timothy 3:13-17.

According to 2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Therefore, the singular true meaning exists. It's not all up for private interpretation. People may make up their own interpretations, but these do not invalidate the actual word of God. You don't have to believe my word or take my word for anything, just study them for yourself.

It is placing the words or traditions of man above the word of God and doctrine of Christ. This is an age-old problem, see Mark 7:7-13 for an example. By claiming that somehow the words given by God are insufficient and substituting man's own ideas in their place, this definitely creates something of a barrier, specifically of pride.
Well when the NT tells us that the word of God works effectually in those that believe and taken along with statements like 1 Corinthians 2:13-14, John 14:16-17, John 16:23, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 4:2, Ephesians 1:13-14, or 1 John 2:27 that leads me to the inescapable conclusion that a sign of unbelief is the inability to expound the doctrines that God has told to us here. And as I think you already know, unbelief is condemnation (e.g. John 3:18-19, John 15:22-24).

Hopefully we can all get on the same page with God and nobody has to suffer the consequence of their sin. The cross is where the justice and mercy of God come together.

I can put it to you another way. We are warned that there are some false prophets crept in unawares. I am not ultimately going to judge other people's salvations. That isn't my concern at all. And I think most everyone knows that. But if someone seems to be propogating false doctrine, my duty is to call it out. If I encounter someone doing or claiming something only a nonbeliever would, I just have to keep 1 John 2:19 and Matthew 7:20 in mind and warn others about this falsehood (e.g. Titus 1:9-16).
Ok, what about this:

2 Corinthians 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isaiah 66:24
And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

How would you know? These are just typical assumptions you cannot prove.

Before Jesus Christ? See Hebrews 11—
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

They were all born after Genesis 3:15. And it requires faith to believe in that. That is exactly what people like Enoch had faith in. Rather who they had faith in. And others didn't.

Being alive isn't a requirement for existing. Being dead is equivalent to being in hell. That is still existing though. So I never advocated annihilationism. Rather, hell and the lake of fire is eternal torment without any annihilation.
Far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity. For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
All I did was say that Jesus did not have hair like that. I am allowed to believe that, I presume?
See image I made a while back. For a serious response, I fully believe in free grace as far as soteriology is concerned.

James 2:14-26 is an important passage dealing with profitting others. If you read the first three verses, you get the context that he is talking about profitting others, not oneself. If you never do any works, you are indistinguishable from someone with no faith. Making an empty profession of faith is like saying "be fed" to the hungry. Even if you really have food, they can never know unless you gave it. On the other hand, people who use this verse out of context absolutely can't answer for or explain passages like Romans 4:15, Romans 11:6, Ephesians 2:8-10, or John 6:47 to name a few. I have plenty more to say on this but it's diverging from the point here.

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Sorry, I meant Romans 4:5 there. But the whole chapter supports itself.

Thanks a lot! I'll dig more into it