DACA is dead

The chessfags were right again.

Trump's Daca deadline arrives – what happens next?

For months, Congress circled 5 March in bright red ink. It was the deadline – arbitrarily imposed by Donald Trump – for lawmakers to find a way to protect hundreds of thousands of young undocumented migrants, known as Dreamers, from deportation. But on Monday in Washington that deadline passed unceremoniously. Negotiations have all but ceased as the nation turns to face another crisis. Congress is under pressure to act on guns, the one issue as politically polarizing as immigration. “We’re not optimistic and we’re not holding our breath for Congress to pass immigration legislation,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, an immigrants’ rights group.

Last year, Trump announced the end of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca), a program that allows people brought to the country illegally as children to apply for renewable two-year work permits. Established by Barack Obama in 2012, Daca shields 690,000 people from deportation. Last week, though, a supreme court decision removed any urgency on Capitol Hill. The justices ruled that Daca must be reinstated while lower courts consider challenges to Trump’s action. The ruling could leave Dreamers in legal limbo for months. Under the ruling, only those previously enrolled in the Daca program can renew their protection. Advocates and experts estimate that thousands and possibly more will lose protected status while they wait for applications to be processed. There are also hundreds of thousands of young migrants who would be eligible under Daca but never applied or who have only recently become old enough to qualify. “We’re worried that people are going to forget about the Dreamers and that while no one is paying attention, the administration will start quietly deporting them,” said Faiz Shakir, national political director for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

Dreamers and their supporters are petitioning for more clarity on what happens to those who have lost or will lose their status. Specifically, they want the Department of Homeland Security to issue guidance for employers and universities. Activists and organizers have tried to keep up the pressure on Congress and the White House, continuing to lead protests and rallies. On Sunday, groups including the ACLU launched a six-figure national TV ad campaign demanding Trump “fix what you broke before it’s too late”. Activists and organizers launched a national ad campaign to demand relief for Daca recipients. A coalition of immigrant groups and Dreamers staged a protest in front of the US Capitol on Monday while dozens of similar marches and rallies were planned across the country.

The Republican leaders in Congress, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell, only want to consider proposals that Trump would sign. Democrats agree that the president holds the key to crafting a deal. Trump has publicly expressed empathy for Dreamers but his list of immigration demands paralyzed the debate. In exchange for protecting Dreamers, the White House wants funding for a border wall, increased border security and sweeping reductions to legal immigration. As a result, the Senate last month rejected proposals including one strongly supported by the president. That plan, which addressed each of the White House’s demands, had 60 members against it. The Senate also fell short on a bipartisan plan that would have included a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers and funding for the wall. Lawmakers in both chambers said last week that talks on immigration had stalled.

Jeff Flake, a Republican senator from Arizona, has introduced a modest proposal: a three-year renewal of Daca in exchange for three years of funding for Trump’s wall. But that proposal has drawn opposition from all sides. Democrats are unwilling to give Trump a $7.6bn down payment on a wall they do not want, in exchange for a temporary fix. “At this point, we’re not going to accept wholesale changes to immigration policy for temporary relief,” said Arizona congressman Ruben Gallego, a Democrat and member of Congressional Hispanic Caucus leadership. “The Republicans’ leverage is gone.” For now, after the deaths of 17 students and staff at a high school in Florida, Congress remains embroiled in debate over gun legislation. Despite public support for Dreamers, Congress is unlikely to take on another divisive issue unless it must, said Theresa Cardinal Brown, director of immigration and cross-border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center. “When the courts finally rule on the merits of the case, the program could be ended really quickly without any notice at all,” Brown said. “Only Congress can offer a permanent solution.”

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doesn't sound dead….

why would dems waste time on immigration when they can fuck up the 2A while the POTUS is cucking on it

It's dead

2A and the arms themselves aren't going anywhere my man

DACA isn't about spics. DACA was used by Israel to exploit the US's immigration policies and to setup ratlines for everything from children to uranium.

"Quiet" is not the word for what will happen to them.

My god! Jews might be deported to Israel?! LITERALLY HITLER

all I can be is smug

Its not though.

>washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/4/daca-deadline-passes-action-courts-not-congress/
>archive.is/EDPYA

>“I love the Dreamers,” the president said at a dinner with reporters Saturday.


>Trump administration attorneys are fighting the courts but say the March 5 deadline has become meaningless.


>“We are seeds of love,” the Dreamers chanted, even as they called the president racist and nativist.

>The criticism is all the more striking because the Trump administration has increased the rate of approvals of Dreamers.

>DACA is up and running for the nearly 700,000 people protected, who can apply for renewals.


>Fewer than 150 were approved from Oct. 1 to Jan. 31. Although the Trump administration has been generous with its renewals, it has been more strict with initial applications, with an approval rate below 80 percent.

Almost none though.


Editor's Note: This shit is tantamount to aiding a criminal.

California.
California.
California.
California.
California.


Daily Reminder:
California, New York and Florida contain, between them, ~75% of US Jews.

Here's hoping daca is dead.
So,
when are you gonna "deport them all," Trump?
you said you would "deport them all"

DEPORT THEM ALL TRUMP!!!
DAMMIT
DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD!!!

Trump needs the DACA issue to stay alive until after the midterms for d&c purposes.

kek
I love how casually but efficiently he mocks his enemies all the time. In one sentence he painted them as incapable and disloyal to their base while appearing reasonable himself even though he is the one who screws them over. Remembers me of middleschool fuckery where some kid takes the hand of another kid, hits him with his own hand and asks him "why are you hitting yourself?". It's that kind of annoying shit, but on a whole new national level dimension.

I don't trust him or you, and the extremely-obvious shilling going on is disdainful.

The real kicker is that (((CNN))) and others are slowly picking up on his schemes and playbook the knew he was going to do this to them but they can't do anything to stop him

The brainlets and shills cant say much else beyond the same tired, old screetching.

they knew*

Dpn't pretend to be that stupid. You know it would be complete retardation to start deporting the DACA spics before the midterms. Doing that would foil his own d&c.

Did anyone archive the threads where (((totally not suspicious at all and normal Holla Forums posters))) were insisting that Trump was ZOGging out and was gonna give the democucks DACA? They make for good screencap compilations.

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The only posts mentioning chess are the OP, an obvious shill, and someone who offered nothing but questionable commentary coupled with mildly-smug animus.


I'd say the same to you, but I don't think you are pretending.
Cringe.
Who is he D&Cing?
Please tell me you're going to try to push the narrative that Trump is going to successfully D&C muds from the Democrats.
That narrative is just too easy to dismiss and always makes me laugh when I see it, and I could use a laugh.


I find posts like these particularly peculiar.
DACA isn't gone yet user. Its still functioning.
So what are you talking about, and why are you acting like there's been some form of vindication for those defending the argument that Trump won't cuck on DACA?


Whole lotta (1) and dones in here.

sounds like good news

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Wow, you sure like to type stupid shilly anti-Trump bullshit that nobody cares about. You should get a job with the Jew York Times doing it. I bet you would get triple the shekels. Just imagine how big your pony doll collection could be then, Mr. Hooknose Faggot.

I thought I asked you to stop pretending to be retarded.


Yeah, I know you don't have a rebuttal.

There was no argument in this post.
It was just a whiney faggot trying to use rhetoric to counter dialectic.
Which is a common Jewish tactic in argumentation.
Let's see what else you've posted…


Hmm.

Trump will have an agreement the day after. Muh based spics. I expected far more deportations at a much quicker rate.

>The real kicker is that (((CNN))) and others are slowly picking up on his schemes and playbook the knew he was going to do this to them but they can't do anything to stop him
This is really important and needs to be said. CNN and other assorted fake news outlets were not falling for this. While shills were inundating Holla Forums and flooding threads with "Trump is a kike" and magaregret069.jpg, none of the (((mainstream media))) places were celebrating. They stuck to their constant "coverage" of the trump-russia fake news narrative.

And to make this even more clear, they did this all last week and the week before. When Trump was "kiking" over the 2A, no one on CNN or the like was reporting on that as anything significant. The jews play both sides, but maybe some here don't know the full extent to what that means. While the (((MSM))) was basically ignoring that, they were sending shills here to screech about that for days on end.

Sage for (late) doublepost.

So you're saying it was exactly like 11341536 ?

/thread

Oh well, fuck me.

Trump has always been a chad bully

How long before the nerds are shoved in their lockers?

Meh. I never really expected Trump to deport them. He didn't seem like he had the stones for it.

Tell ya, what I was really hoping for was some actual moves being made to counter the voter fraud that is running rampant in this country. There's a sticky up right now about how my state has 100k+ non-citizen mudfolk voting, and that its been that way since the 90's.

Unfortunately, it seems that voter fraud investigation committee got scrapped and the issue was handed off to DHS - now run by a pro-DACA childless catlady - to be memory holed. Which is very unfortunate, as voter fraud is right in there, alongside demographic displacement, in terms of the issues that are rapidly killing the US.


There was little-to-no dialectic in though.
Its more like .

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the court shit is holding it up, the supreme court also won't hear it till it goes through the lower courts, but it's only a matter of time

How would you know any of that, unless you were watching CNN all week?
Just wondering…


Its kind of a travesty that that is even a thing. The law is very clear - the President has the power to end DACA. Just like the President has the power to instate a Muslim ban.
But then the Jewdiciary steps in and for whatever reason the Executive will not impose upon their rulings, despite having full legal authority to do so as described in US Code.

It's almost as if you're really from another website.

DACA is in limbo. Congress being able to act on it is no longer an option. The lower courts are keeping it on life support until the Supreme Court or the courts following it pull the plug.

They still fall for it, even when they don't want to.

wew. You're not prepared to argue about DACA at all, are you?

It must be pretty tough to be a contrarian faggot that's not on reddit these days. Protip: If you add even more elipsis in your posts then more people will take you seriously. You're falling short.

Did you ever stop to think where all of the fake news moment videos come from? There's plenty of people that know CNN and the like is fake but still watch so they can record moments where they fuck up and add that fuck up to a new fake news compilation video. It's pretty sad and pathetic that that's all you had to go on with your reply that you couldn't stop to think if the answer was perfectly obvious.

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Very true.
Very false.
Very true.
Yet unclear.


In what way was the subject changed?
Also, my apologies, I missed this post:

So you ARE pushing the narrative that Trump is going to successfully D&C mudfolk from the Democrats? I don't see why a simple yes or no answer to that question is so difficult for you.

That was my rebuttal.
You claimed Trump was running a D&C, and that it would be faulty to begin deportation of DACA spics before the midterms, and I asked you who he was D&Cing.
You didn't answer, but instead implied that I was correct in my assessment of your intended narrative of promotion, which I'd like verification of so that I can commence the laughter.
And it remains the case that contained little-to-no dialectic, unlike basically every post you've made in this thread.


I wouldn't know. I only know what its like not to be a sycophant on h8/pol/.
Not an argument…
Most of them are taken from short snippets of especially glaring instances of fake news behavior, usually originating from people who do, in fact, watch fake news outlets like CNN constantly at work or the like, and/or people who watch Faux Jews and see it talked about on there.
So you're saying you WERE watching CNN all last week, but it was for research purposes, like that fat old Jew who was researching tentacle porn with his wife and kids?
You didn't actuall give a clear answer though…

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No, that's something you made up entirely because you're a lying kike. Nice try though


Because that's true.

So who is Trump D&Cing then?
See above.

Nice smug. I give it a 6/10.

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whats the story of this photo? What movie is it from?

< head first
< mercy cuck

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Wew.


He was already dead m8.

CHESSCUCKS BTFO

Only niggers diss chess.

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Only Jews promote chess.


Checked for contribution.
Thanks for nothing Satan.

or he's reinforcing the idea, going into midterms, that the Dems were the one's who refused to compromise on this. thinking back, my heart sunk when I heard the 1.8 million figure. a part of me hoped he was just calling the Dem's bluff, but I still thought it was a very dangerous move. that being said, we knew Trump was high risk high reward when we elected him.

Well, going by your display of turning implications into points, you just admitted to being a contrarian redditfag.

It's called a joking jab. You must have mild autism or no autism at all to understand it.

So on one hand you get it but you're desperate enough to set it up so that-

-you can pathetically deliver this poor stretch of implications, and a terrible attempt at a false equivalence. Have some self-respect so you don't deliver poor comebacks like this. By your "logic," anyone watching CNN and the like to catch them when they're having their fakest news moments is the same as being Kurt Eichenwald. Make sure to remind the next guy posting OC of CNN's reaction to something that they're being like that jew.

Do you even stop to process what you're about to post? This is pathetic.

It was not only perfectly clear but succinct. You yourself reiterated the point, hence when I typed that "on one hand you get it." So you not only got it meaning it was a clear answer but now you want to pretend it wasn't a clear answer.

You can only pretend so much and backtrack so hard to fail in reaching for a point. Your trick failed. Try harder.

Lmao this faggot probably sits there and names every single image he saves.

Reinforce to whom? Do we have another person trying to claim that this DACA stuff will "D&C" mudfolk and Democrats? Yes or no?

It really seems like the only narrative on the DACA front is that Trump is doing this to create disharmony between the Democrats and their base, seemingly ignoring the fact that Democrats never had much harmony with their base to begin with, their base supporting them because they are the party of expanded immigration and gibs, in a two-party system, leaving those who wish to vote for expanded immigration and gibs with no choice but the Democrats.
Its a very peculiar narrative that seems to demonstrate a lack of understanding of electoral politics and political polling over the last 30+ years amongst non-Whites who compose a large portion of the Democratic base.

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that dog

Spics and democrats, but you're trying to play dumb and ignore it.

DACA is not dead yet. If CUCKOLD SESSIONS would have filed for a STAY of court, then it would be dead until the court decided in favor of it (or if the court struck it down it would be dead).

CUCKOLD SESSIONS did not file a stay with the court, so DACA is not dead until we get a SCOTUS ruling because the jewdiciary loves to waste time in kangaroo appellate courts like the ninth.

Turning implications into points is contrarian redditfaggotry now? Seems legit.
Yes, that IS what those ellipses were about. I'm glad you caught it.
I don't think there's anything 'desperate' about asking you why you were watching CNN all week. I think its rather indicative of desperation for you to have claimed that you were doing it for research.
There is no false equivalence in the commentary on offer. You quite-literally tried to claim you were watching CNN all week - for several weeks, I think; can't be assed to go back and check your post right now - for research purposes, just like that kike on twatter said he was looking at tentacle porn for research purposes.
The implication is implied m8.
I don't actually believe anyone does watch CNN for that purpose. I think there are people who are forced to watch it by circumstance, and those who catch snippets from other outlets. I don't believe you claim as regards research.
I'll be sure to ask him where he got the video user, if that makes you feel any better.
Dialectic.
No, it was not.
You misinterpreted what I was implying.
It wasn't a clear answer, in that you made a vague assertion as to research being the origin of these snippets reaching the chans, and as described above, I find that a dubious assertion.
More empty dialectic.


But that's objectively false user.

gas yourself

But I've been suggesting that was your narrative since the start:

Further, see:


You have behaved disingenuously since we began a discourse, you promote a ridiculous narrative, and the vast majority of your commentary equates to little more than aggressive and vitriolic rhetoric to cover an absence of dialectic.


Woops
Replace dialectic and rhetoric in this post. Too busy trying to watch this Do You Love White People video from another thread and got distracted.

meanwhile Alex Jones has been concern trolling hard, saying Trump is somehow "compromised" because of his 2A remarks. Really made me think. How is it that CNN can figure Trump out and see through his bluff but Alex can't? I unironically don't know what his end game is.

jews watch out

Its the truth. So no, I will have to refuse your offer of gassing in favor of continuing to point out the faulty narratives being employed, even when it draws such vitriolic and aggressive rhetoric from those bereft of a dialectical response.

The reason why you hate 4D chess is you're a Russian, and you're jealous of American chess superiority.

Nice trips, but today was the day after all, so technically, it is done. We'll just have to see if he is going with the d&c of the Dems and their base, or if he really does want to try to reopen DACA. Who knows lul

Thats a very peculiar narrative.


Its not though. We've been over this.
Which is a ridiculous narrative.
At least you're honest in that regard.

Thanks for admitting that's what you're doing. Everyone will read this and see that by your own admission that you are doing that intentionally.

The reality is that you just got it and are trying to walk it back. lmao

I guess I'll never know what it's like to be so desperate that I'll cling to the worst false equivalence of the year this hard.

Protip: Don't look up the Media Research Center. If you do, their existence will violate your poorly developed perspective on reality. Actually, I take that back. You should look them up because you'll be too deluded to feel the impact of reality when it hits you.

I'll be there to remind you because a jew's word has no value.

Thanks for admitting you don't process what you're about to post.

The only part of your post that made any sense was when you reiterated what I said, thus showing you understood and it was clear. Again, you're walking it back because you fucked up and gave it away, but you really wanted to walk it back for a setup.

I was expecting more from you but you left yourself with no wiggle room that all you can do now is claim how clips from the media end up here or on jewtube part of a "vague assertion." At least you got to whip out the word, "dubious," for that extra level of sophistication. But we're talking the original true meaning of sophistication so don't you get the wrong idea.

Thank you for the no contest on that one. If anyone needs to know how you think and what to expect when replying to you they can read our posts and see it clearly. You gave away your thought processes in spectacular fashion.

Heil'd. Fuck Sessions, he's a fucking nigger. I'm disappointed in reading this, if this is on mark, I'm gonna lose more faith in shit Trump does.

Americans don't like obstructionists, period, be they democrats or republicans. They don't like how nothing ever gets done in congress. Trump flipped the narrative by seeming to take charge of the DACA issue. Most Americans overwhelmingly agree with his "four pillar" plan, including blacks and hispanics. Most Americans want stronger boarder security - whether or not they'll openly admit to wanting the wall - they want an end to chain migration and the lottery system and they want merit based immigration. Trump raised the DACA number from 800,000 to 1.8 million, more than doubling it, in exchange for a set of very sensible and popular popular policies that everybody wants. It was a more than generous offer and everybody knows it. The Dems, of course, had to turn him down because they don't want any immigration reform, period. This puts them at odds with most Americans and exposes them as wanting open boarders. They also can't badger Trump about DACA going into the midterms because they are on record for failing to make a deal. If they say anything about DACA he can just shrug and say, hey I tried.

Yeah, I noticed, I missed a few Anons comments above. It's sounding like the opposite, in which case, fuck this shit and those goddamn spics. I hope they get ICE'd real quick. And California has a massive earthquake or something. Fuck that tumor of a state.

This seems the case

Rhetoric.
Rhetoric.
Rhetoric.
Why? I just did. Its a cuckservative think-tank.
I didn't realize we were including cuckservative think-tanks in the conversation. I thought we were talking about Anons, not shilling outfits.
… Is that why you were watching CNN for multiple weeks straight user? Because you work for a cuckservative think-tank?
Rhetoric.
Rhetoric.
Then why am I still not clear as to why you were watching CNN for multiple weeks user?
I asked you why, and you made a vague claim as to such being a common practice for 'research'.
I asked for further insight, and you became more vitriolic and aggressive.
Rhetoric.
Your claim that clips from the media end up here as the result of Anons watching CNN all day all week for weeks at a time for research is rather vague as assertions go, yes, and also quite dubious.
Dubious is not a very sophisticated word user.
Empty and - as usual - vitriolic and aggressive rhetoric.

CNN's job is to give its viewers a sense that the democucks are doing fine despite the DNC being in shambles and are only able to win elections because of voter fraud. Alex Jones's job is to tell its viewers everything is going to shit and glide past the jews. The only time CNN fell for Trump's long bluff was during the syrian airbase bombing. They learned their lesson that way and so Trump's trick only works on feinstein now.

Does anyone have an ETA on when the courts inevitably side with Trump? DACA getting revoked in the dead of night is going to cause a major shit storm, and I'm curious to see if it will happen before or after the mid-terms.

Non-Whites don't give a single shit.
See above.
According to whom?
No they don't.
They most assuredly do not.
Nope.
Hell nope.
The only Americans who want that are Republican Americans (specifically those who don't understand how regression to the mean works), and the Republican party's base is 95%+ non-spic White.
Not everybody wants that though. In fact, a good 50% of the country does not want that.
Non-Whites don't give a single shit.
Well, more likely, it had to do with the long game, because - while I don't think its accurate to suggest as much - the common narrative being shilled around lately has been to claim that Trump's corrections ala that 4-point-plan would inhibit further immigration influx and restrict immigration to non-White outliers (which is where regression to the mean comes in, but nevermind that for now), hence the Dems much-more-likely didn't want to step on the landmine of that offer.
It doesn't though.
Which most of their base supports.
They aren't though.
And they say "No you didn't", and their base supports them.

This is a very weak narrative.
I repeat myself:


California is hell itself rising up against us.

annnd filtered

Months.
It likely won't be in the dead of night, if at all.
What will happen is that the courts will almost-certainly come to the conclusion that Trump DOES have the power to revoke DACA. What happens next is anyone's quess, though those who are pro-Trump will understandably suggest he will begin immediate deportation of DACA scum, even despite such being rather dubious a claim at this stage.


I understand user. Only cowards filter, but then, without cowardice there would be no courage, just as without hatred there would be no love.

Thanks for turning rhetoric into a buzzword in ways CNN hasn't found out how to do.

-that's main job is watch CNN and other networks 24/7

How did you end up so desperate that you're unable to admit people watch it to score clips of them being at their fakest of news?

Fun fact: vitriol/vitriolic is a reddit buzzword. Thank you for using more reddit speak to cement the fact of where you're from. You still haven't walked back your previous admission. Spewing "Rhetoric," doesn't count.

Using your own "logic," you work at CNN for how much you use rhetoric as a buzzword. But they can learn from you, by using rhetoric as a buzzword as a deflection, they can be twice as fake.

By using nothing but buzzwords your entire post and that's not an exaggeration you admitted defeat. Having nothing but those as a comeback sucks out what potential points you were making. You lost, and the most pathetic part was that you did it to yourself. You could have had a lazy but amusing comeback but you couldn't even muster that. If anons watching CNN to score clips of them being fake triggers you so much, then report back to CNN and let them know that they're helping us make our case that they're fake.

Alright, this guy is a democrat shill right?

DON'T BREAK UP FAMILIES, DEPORT THEM ALL!

Rhetoric.
Yes, and I addressed that. (I wonder if you will…)
Is that a yes or a no? (… You did not.)
Rhetoric.
Rhetoric.
Rhetoric.
R.h.e.t.o.r.i.c.

Its all you've got it seems.
I simply asked you how you would know what CNN was broadcasting all week, for multiple weeks, and you got super-aggitated. When I said I found your claim that it was for research (aka "scoring clips"), you became further aggitated. You've not raised a single meaningful point, merely screeched like an autist while spewing empty rhetoric of an incredible vitriolic and aggressive nature.

Seriously though, ARE you a member of a cuckservative think-tank, or do you actually just watch CNN all week every week in the hopes of 'scoring' some 'dank clips' to post on the chans? I haven't gotten a clear answer out of you yet.

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wow, it's almost like you're doing damage control or something, also you type exactly like the muh russia faggot from /brit/

100% pure rhetoric.
Non-Whites don't want stronger border security, especially not Hispanics, and they don't care enough about the DACA shit to meaningfully impact their voting habits as to turn them off the Democrats.

I have yet to see any reasoned argument to the contrary.

Niggers and spics ain't Americans.

even CBS had to admit their polling showed a majority of Americans, something like 7 out of 10, liked Trump's SOTUS where he talked about immigration reform among other things. As to you're suggestion that non-whites don't want immigration reform, you're wrong. Blacks actually have the harshest views on immigration when polled and a majority of Hispanics want it reduced as well. There are multitudes of polls that show this. For example, regarding merit-based immigration: a Harvard-Harris poll showed that nearly 80 percent of Americans said they believe “immigration priority for those coming to the U.S. should be based on a person’s ability to contribute to America as measured by their education and skills—and not based on a person having relatives in the U.S.”

another poll, reported on by the Washington Examiner, showed that 70% of people agreed with Trump's immigration policies. even Joe Scarborough had to admit most Americans agree with Trump on immigration.

This information is freely available and I suggest you search for it. its actually a bit of a white pill. most people absolutely DO NOT want open boarders, as you suggest. only the far left wants that and the more people realize that, the more they turn away. Trump, whether by accident or on purpose, is helping to expose this.

Are you that devoid of self-awareness? You're using Rhetoric as a buzzword to avoid discussion. Very CNN-like. I know because I watch them to score clips of them being fake.

Not only do I watch them to score clips but others do here. When I made that clear you got faker and faker and made a false equivalence to doing that and looking at tentacle porn. The reason why you did that was that you clearly don't want people watching CNN so people don't see that they're not falling for Trump's bluff. You don't want people gauging an accurate account of what the jewish media is putting out there and that prevents people from responding to it properly.

inb4 rhetoric, vitriol, [insert reddit buzzword]

Protip: No one is falling for your tricks.

It’s not Trump’s fault. He has to keep CUCKOLD SESSIONS now. Him, Mnuchin, and Mattis entered into a suicide pact and with that and the fact that McConnell said he would appoint no one new if Trump fired Sessions it means that Trump is in a bind.

This dude is trolling and a retard.

They vote like they are.


So you trust the mainstream media when it says something you like the sound of? Interesting.
No I'm not.
You learned nothing from the election.

Post them and let's see what quality they are.

You mean this poll?
>harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Final_HHP_Jan2018-Refield_RegisteredVoters_XTab.pdf
You do realize n=980 in that poll, yes? Not even 1,000 people were polled, yes?
13% of that was Hispanic, 11% Black, so thats… About 108 Blacks and 127 spics.
Of those, 72% of Hispanics () and 85% of Blacks (), said what you claim… While 79% of Whites said the same.
Do you honestly think that's an accurate representation of the views of the majority of those populations respectively? (Its not.)
BTW: Same poll - " Do you think that children who were brought into this country illegally by their parents, many of whom are now in their 20s and 30s, should be given a path to U.S. citizenship or should not be entitled to a path to citizenship without first returning home?"
"Should be given a path to citizenship"… White: 74%, Hispanic: 82%, Black: 83%.

You really didn't learn anything from the election, or else you're being entirely disingenuous.

Where's my shill bingo sheet

There will never be a deal on this. Democrats only care about immigration when it means importing lots of people who will swing elections in their favor. Trump's DACA deal was basically him saying he'll help the people that are here, but the tap of new voters is going to be cut off for the Democrats. And Democrats ran away from that really fast, because they only care about immigrants' votes. They don't actually care about them. Once they are in, and voting Democrat, they are done with them.

Democrats have done this multiple times. They've done it with the blacks. One of the more recent ones is how they pandered non-stop to white gay males, and now they are dead to Democrats now that they've convinced most white gay males that Republicans will electrocute you until you stop being a homo.

The whole thing is solid proof that Democrats only care about immigration if it means more blue votes in red areas. Once the immigration debated shifted from them wanting to bring in tons of new immigrants to taking care of the ones that are here and cutting down on new ones, they walked away and stopped fighting completely.

Democrats know more than anyone else what Democrats are planning and what they've had planned, and no one is more afraid of Trump in this country than them. Which is why, they are afraid. They'll deny that they're afraid, but they look very hypocritical when they're the types of people who basically go "wow you don't like LGBTQIAIABQBAOJHADS? you homophobe!!!"

Entire first section: Rhetoric.
Prove it.
You never made it clear. The rest: rhetoric.
Extremely silly rhetoric.
So, the reason I questioned your claim that you - and totally tons of other people on h8/pol/ - watch CNN all day every day for weeks at a time to 'score clips', was because I actually don't want people to watch MSM?
Seems legit.
Rhetoric.
Pure rhetoric.

This is getting really rather pathetic.
Its okay. You 'research' CNN for days at a time. To 'score clips'. Which is totally normal. Yeah. We get it m8.

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You left it on your desk. Next to your laptop. Which has a browser window open. A browser window displaying a subreddit.

I just got here, shill. You seem to be lost in your rhetoric.

how bad does your anus hurt right now?

I watch CNN so much they send redditors you here to buzzword at me. You're never going to live this down. Thanks for making yourself known.

Largely accurate.
The issue being that Trump's DACA deal actually didn't functionally curtail immigration sufficiently as to have made that paradigm a reality - but it would have been a good first step, so perhaps that was enough to put them off.

Largely accurate.
The issue being that white gay males are dead to Democrats because they've moved on - they got gay marriage through, now they've moved on to trannies and soon to pedophilia or some other obscure and incredibly-limited sexual aberrancy.

Variably accurate, depending on interpretation.
Democrats only care about immigration if it means more non-Whites in-country, which can then be shuffled around to create blue votes in red areas, as needed.
Of course they don't give a shit about them - just like they don't give a shit about any of the other minority groups which form their collective of collectives.

Ehhhhhhhhhhh. I don't think they're all that afraid of Trump, so much as they are afraid of what a successful Trump presidency could do to their long-term plans. I guess, in a sense, you could call that fear, but its more the cause than the symptom they're scared of - Trump was caused by Whites acting in their own self interests, and that scares the shit out of the (((Democrats))).


Yeah, sure ya did.


Not as much as yours, obviously.


Rhetoric.
But only for research, yeah, yeah, we know already!
Empty. Fucking. Rhetoric.

Its amazing how much headway people utilizing this kind of rhetoric made during the election, to the point that in the year following the board was basically nothing BUT this kind of rhetoric - empty accusations, absentee argumentation, toothless vitriol and impotent aggression, all leading to the degradation and dissolution of any form of dialectical discourse. Things recovered somewhere toward the end of last year and the start of 2018, but I've noticed that whenever Trump starts getting heat about something, out they come once more.
Its almost like there's some kind of connection between the two phenomenon…

I never said Americans disagreed with letting the DACA "kids" stay, I was talking about the principles of immigration reform. most people are uninformed about DACA and as Ann Coulter has pointed out, if Americans were properly educated on the subject their views would likely change. the democrats purposefully ply at people's heart strings and make it a moral/religious issue - literally the equivalent of "won't somebody please think of the children" - and the media has turned the whole thing into a sob story. this is why it was clever of Trump to at least appear sympathetic and willing to deal. if he had said, definitively, no amnesty the democrats and the media would've gone into overdrive with the human interest stories.

you are literally fucking retarded

he's a britcuck paki, he misses the entire context of US politics

I never suggested you did.
And I was demonstrating, via juxtaposition, how that poll is trash and doesn't make sense even within the context of itself, namely, by demonstrating the poll had a pitifully small n # (which you ignored in your commentary) and by juxtaposing the responses on those two issues as to edify your misconstrued notion that the poll was sensical even within its own context, ala the same groups who say immigration should be merit-based ALSO saying that those who came here illegally without any merit-based requirements ought be given citizenship.
That may well be the case, but its totally irrelevant in context - and I highly-doubt Anne Coulter was suggesting that non-Whites would become more hostile toward DACA through such education.
Which works on women, feminized men, and non-Whites… Frankly, the non-Whites don't care one way or the other: They just want gibs and expanded immigration, which means voting Democrat, regardless of whether or not the Democrats should fail to expand immigration quite as much as desired.
rump to at least appear sympathetic and willing to deal.
Only if you buy into the notion that non-Whites are going to shift to Trump - any White man or women for whom DACA was a political sticking point would never shift to Trump, certainly not on the basis of what has transpired in the context of DACA.
While that is true, his choice to instead attempt to appear ammendable has driven a number of his supporters to take a civic nationalist stance on the matter and acts to move the Overton Window toward the left. If a conscious act, it was a risky gambit, and doesn't seem likely to pay out any real returns in the electoral context.

Again: Non-Whites don't care about that shit. Most don't even KNOW about that shit. Non-Whites care about two things, a spectrum lying between them.
Those things are: Expanding Immigration and Gibs.
The spectrum goes from Gibs to Immigration, from Black to Asian.
Blacks: Vote on gibs. Single-issue voters, who basically do what they're told.
Spics: Vote on the basis of gibs AND immigration, also largely do what they're told (when they bother to show up - even lower turnout rate than Blacks in 2016!)
Asians: Vote on immigration, because it allows them to bring in more of their own, thus increasing their electoral power and cultural influence.

That said, basically all of that commentary is irrelevant, because as I noted in the other post, the polling you were citing was dogshit based on a sample of less than 1,000.


I thought I was Russian?


Also relevant to this context:
>archive.is/yLLmW
>archive.is/DxxKo

Did /brit/ finally ban him? Is that why he's here kvetching like his cousin schlomo?


You're welcome to say, "Rhetoric is antisemitic," anytime so you can finally get it over with. Whatever benefit of the doubt you would have had you threw it out when you started spewing "Rhetoric," at the end of quoting every point raised against what you said. It was already difficult taking you seriously, but now no one will. Well done.

Lel, they have to go back lad.

You're the faggot who accused everyone of being Russians in a previous thrad, also the autist who thought you had some stupid point to make about women voters not supporting gun control. You're a completely pretentious twat who has no idea what you're talking about thinks you win because you can fill up a thread with 80 posts.

That's just more rhetoric on your behalf.
The reason I 'spewed' that in response is because its a justified response - you have responded to EVERY SINGLE POINT raised via reasoned dialectic argumentation with nothing but base rhetoric, rife with vitriol and aggression.
You haven't raised a SINGLE reasoned argument. Not. One.
My response to remains the same: Rhetoric.
See also:


Then why aren't they?
Oh, right, the midterms, and chess.
Riiight right right.


Got any proof? Because I legit cited proof of you accusing the rachposter from that 'muh republican womens' thread of being the same person.
Yeah, that one! I was in that thread you double-nigger! And I was arguing AGAINST that faggot, the one who pointed out they were using a marieclaire article as a citation AND the one who pointed out that it was rachposter doing it. Yet, here you are, now accusing ME of being such. Its almost like you use that as a rhetorical attack against people, even despite a complete absence of evidence to that end.
Rhetoric and empty accusations.
Its pitiful how badly this board has been taken over by the sort of rhetoric shitslinging I've described in previous posts, and how pervasive such has become.

I'll believe we got somewhere when I see them being bused out enmass operation wetback style.

Words mean nothing, actions speak for themselves.

Ah, but therein lies the rub: Words DO mean something.

Actions speak for themselves.
Promises mean nothing.
Words are often terribly powerful, especially those spoken by influential/powerful men.
Hell, even not so powerful men - look what all these rhetorically-restricted faggots have done to this once-beautiful (though still always shit, by requisite) board.

you're a fucking faggot, go away

If you keep throwing rhetoric at me, I'm going to keep calling it what it is.
If you don't like that, develope an argument.
Or just go kill yourself, out of shame for your unjust accusation directed at me when we stood against that awful rachposter faggot in another thread. Great dishonor upon your house, you triple-nigger.

holy bot battle, batman!

That's pretty funny, because every single response in this thread is nothing but pure rhetoric including this one. You have no ability to make a non-rhetorical argument.

So you're saying that there is only rhetoric? Or did you just fuck up and mean to include of 'your' in there somewhere?
Except all those times I did.
Like here:

And here:

And here:

Oh, and here too:


In point of fact, almost none of my argumentation has been rhetorical - its been overwhelmingly dialectical in nature. I suspect the reason that rhetorical argumentation has become so commonplace here is that it tends towards the aim of illiciting an emotional response, and thus those who're prone to an emotional response will typically respond via rhetorical argumentation in turn, while those who were undeterred by such emotional attacks were systematically weeded from the board during the elections, as the result of bans associated with employing dialectical argumentation against the unending waves of rhetorical nonsense levied by shills on all sides.
I'm rather autistic though, and basically emotionally dead inside, so, here I am, and while the rhetorical shitposting has died down some, as previously noted, it always seems to re-emerge whenever there's a thread with commentary critical of Trump.
Daily Reminder: There is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to politics, or rather, assumption of coincidental origin will result in many missteps.

More rhetorical arguments. Be honest, you don't have the wit or intelligence to rely on anything but rhetoric.

Now thats actual rhetoric.
Amusingly, it seems you're now trying a projection-based rhetorical argument, ala "shit my rhetorical argumentation keeps being called out - I better accuse my opposition of what I'm (rightly) being accused of".
Your success will thusly be defined by how autistic you are.

Its like shills have harnessed the power of Sargon of Akkuck.
The same dude has been at this for like 5 or 6 hours now lmao.

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Which dude is that? Given you're responding to someone who was responding to me, I'd have to assume me.
Here's my first post:

20:54:16
And my last post

00:07:55
Been like 3 hours.

And let's see what you've contributed:


Wow. Really activates the almonds.

Real question is, what happened to OP?
Hmm.


Nah.

oh shit

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Actually, I've been sitting here for damn near 4 hours arguing with people who have no arguments except rhetorical accusations and generalized nonsense.
Like your post, frankly.
You certainly haven't demonstrated any such knowledge, and your entire contribution to the thread has been rhetorical in nature.


To be fair, I'm not jumping IPs constantly, unlike some, and my arguments are overwhelmingly reasoned dialectical responses - which have been met by a torrent of empty rhetoric and generalized assmad.

I did. You're ignoring it, then claiming everything is rhetoric. Then you copypasted your last post.

You're fooling exactly zero people. Resetting the discussion back to this is exactly what I mean and further proves my point. Everyone watching this thread is learning how you post and how to recognize it the next time you show up. You were better off not posting at all.

I guess this is why Muller is finally supposedly making a move against Trump

so much rhetoric

yeah, there's no source on that because Mueller doesn't have shit

Sad!

No, you didn't.
No I haven't.
Everything you've offered is rhetoric.
Because you've ignored everything I've said to you while making innane accusations.
That's rhetoric. You are not making an argument here, you're just accusing me implicitly of some intent that you cannot even define.
Resettling the discussion back to what? You haven't made any arguments. I've responded, dialectically, even to your rhetoric. You've offered nothing but rhetoric. And so I just started naming it as such, because there's no point in engaging dialectically with a rhetorical stance.
More empty rhetoric.

Do you have a single argument emotionally-driven rhetoric?
Because thus far you have been entirely bereft of such.


I'll take this verbatim continuation of the approach that I previously described as an admission on your behalf that you are defeated and have to resort to exactly what I'm accusing you of, coupled with projection of such onto me, in the absence of any dialectical argumentation on your behalf.

check out all this rhetoric, guys

Do you have a single argument that is anything besides emotionally-driven rhetoric?*

We already had that thread.
This guy was there too.

But it was mostly just the same rhetorical arguments and accusations that he brought to this thread.

Almost forgot, here are the links thereto, should you be interested.
>archive.is/yLLmW

>archive.is/DxxKo

I ended up getting banned for 'spam' for repeatedly pointing out that it was really fucked up for the mods to be engaging in that kind of behavior (LARPing as a boomer cuckservative woman to shill for gun control).(Ban evasion)

Here's both of them.

I'm shocked Carlos hasn't popped up on this thread was he deported?did Atzlan arise and pic related happen?


This doesn't surprise me. He's keeping the ones on the books on the books. Deportation of them is politically untenable at this point but using them as a political pawn and negotiating chip is reasonable in this case.


It is a hard polarizing issue and he's backed by an energized and now outright alienated majority. It is not a bad move to turn the midterms onto a referendum if he can win, fuckups like the "gun-grab" comment don't help for example >>11342074
- but I feel that the "Trump" candidates will win in the primaries. The base is still ignored by the (((press))) and you can tell with issues like Delta losing the tax break, zero viewer-ship of the Oscars, the PC-Olympics being ignored, etc. they are still very energized and still slowly moving right.

Trump candidates get put in office, the DACA wholesale deportation becomes politically tenable and voila. It is a gamble but I think there is a very high chance it'll pay off.

There you go again. You keep pretending nothing was said and subject everything else back to "muh rhetoric." I already proved you were capable of nothing but that but you can keep going and providing me more evidence to support my point.

isn't this that shitty state that brought us such national nonsense like the OJ trail?

A federal judge in Maryland has sided with the Trump administration over a lawsuit challenging the Justice Department's ability to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

TL:DR DACA is dead you stupid faggot.

hurrdurr muh 4D chess d&c dem base
ignore the record turnout being reported for them in Texas

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Now what, faggot?

Bumping this thread for these posts. The (((MSM))) may require new tactics.

No, they weren't. The courts have laid up DACA for two more years. It's "legal" during that time.

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(((Virgin Rhetoric)))

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CHAD DIALECTIC

You ruined this board kikey, or should I say Jared Kushner.
We know who you are
We are coming
We do not forgive
We do not forget

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Whens the last time you've picked up a book?

Please tell me that's an ironic post.
I hate this Trump cult of personality that Americans are pushing, but that's just too ridiculous to not be an ironic post.

what if the secret service did parkland authorized by trump in order to not get DACA passed?

0% chance of that. It was definitely the left trying to get away from having to be confronted in public on their open borders agenda.

If it was that I'd approve though.

Either that or he really lives in fear of Kush Kampfy.

Trump is a faggot.

End of story.

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Nah. That got struck done by another judge. Its over.

Imkikefy is a turk.

End of story.

So shills aren't even trying to hide their huge, hooked noses anymore? When did this shit happen?