Clean Coal

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

news.siu.edu/2016/01/011516tjc15064.php
Two researchers at Southern Illinois University Carbondale, however, are working on a way to convert the innate power of coal into something far more environmentally friendly, and doing so using a technique based on a natural and sustainable process that has gone on for millions of years.

Yanna Liang, associate professor of civil and environmental engineering, and Satya Harpalani, professor of mining and mineral resources engineering, are using biology to convert coal to methane, which burns much cleaner than coal and produces half the carbon dioxide emissions.

Working with grants from the Illinois Clean Coal Institute and the U.S. Department of Energy, the two engineers are finding ways to fire up the microbes that eat coal and excrete methane. With promising results already in hand, the method could be applied to both the waste coal byproduct left over from coal mining, as well as abandoned coal mines and played-out gas wells across the country.

So can Trump actually make clean coal a reality? This technology could guarantee Trump wins a second term in 2020 and the shitlibs would have nothing to complain about.

Other urls found in this thread:

sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166516213000244
netl.doe.gov/File Library/Research/Coal/energy systems/gasification/FE0024126-KickoffPresentation-120914.pdf
usea.org/sites/default/files/082010_Microbial methane from carbon dioxide in coal beds_ccc174.pdf
cnet.com/news/luca-tech-feeds-coal-eating-microbes-to-make-gas/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel#History
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process
translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://bazonline.ch/wissen/natur/diese-forscher-haben-eine-politische-agenda/story/29438610&edit-text=
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_power_stations

Luis Miller
Luis Miller

Would be nice but until it's operational it's worthless.

Lincoln Sanders
Lincoln Sanders

Whether this production method ends up working, being implemented, or whatever, "clean coal" isn't referring to what is described here. It's just a coal industry marketing term, I think they use better filters, or burn the coal hotter/more completely, or I think some plants even capture the soot/gas and pipe it into holes in the ground.

Trump just wants to burn more coal because he is aligned with the old hydrocarbon energy power base in the Anglo-Zionist elite. If you control energy, you control the population. Other elements in the Anglo-Zionist elite are involved with other energy sources to disrupt that old power base.

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

If Trump were to make clean coal real biogasification would be the way to do it.

James Sanders
James Sanders

Isn't biogasification with organic material?

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

So in the end, they're turning certain byproducts from burning coal into methane (to be burned for more energy) and hydrogen gas?

Joshua Nelson
Joshua Nelson

Coal is organic.

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

turning certain byproducts from burning coal into methane
No they are turning the coal itself into methane. The bacteria and archaea break down the coal.

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

Ah, I probably should've read the article where it clearly states that instead of trying to figure out what it meant by 'coal derived constituents' on the graph.

Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

and I should add these aren't the only scientists researching this.
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166516213000244
Biogenic natural gas production is often associated with low-rank coals such as lignite (brown coal) and subbituminous coal; however, little work has been done to determine the potential of stimulating microbial methane production in higher-rank coals. Reference samples of lignite, subbituminous, high-volatile bituminous, and low-volatile bituminous coal samples were obtained. A laboratory feasibility study was conducted in anaerobic microcosms containing each type of coal and amended with a nutrient solution and a methanogenic consortium of organisms enriched from formation water obtained from a coalbed methane well with a known history of biogenic gas production. Headspace analysis of the microcosms indicated that methane production rates were higher in the two bituminous coals than in the lower rank coals. The results suggest the potential for enhancing biogenic natural gas production from bituminous coals with a focus on liberating trapped volatile organic compounds
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netl.doe.gov/File Library/Research/Coal/energy systems/gasification/FE0024126-KickoffPresentation-120914.pdf

usea.org/sites/default/files/082010_Microbial methane from carbon dioxide in coal beds_ccc174.pdf

Ian White
Ian White

Sounds good, what's the catch?

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

Bacteria are not a great way to produce something of which you need millions of tons. There are lots of ways to use microbes to produce fuel, but none would work at the scale required for energy production.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

found the jew
There isn't one other than reliably implementing this on an industrial scale. Bacteria that can eat a basic food like sugar, and produce complex chemicals (medical use, or other) is really efficient. Scaling is the problem.

the technology is in the implementation mainly

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

found the jew
Come again?

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

There seems to be other methods beside the bacteria already.

Elijah White
Elijah White

I congratulate trump on his excellent speech to america just moments ago.

my message stays the same:

We the people.

when someone drives a car and strives to be the fastest and make first place and win, are they attacked and shamed for being racist for wanting to win the race?
when someone lifts a heavy weight and struggles to be the strongest, do people demand they be weaker so that they may be more fair to everyone else?
when someone gives their sweat, blood, and tears to protect their own family, their own people, and their own country, must they apologize for wanting to be free and safe?
when someone states that they have pride and love for their own people, must they apologize for others misinterpretation of their pride and love for their own people as hate for other peoples and races and cultures?

loving your own people and your own country does not mean that you hate everyone else. it's okay to be white. you are not guilty of a crime for being the best you can be. you are not a monster for wanting a better world for your grandchildren. you are not a disease for spreading good ideas to your countrymen. you are you. do the best you can to be the best you can. help those around you be the best they can too.

We are often told that Holla Forums is always right, but to be truly honest we must give credit where credit is due. God is always right, and it is God who has chosen us to drink memes from the breast of life. it is God who guides us through this maze of darkness and deception, and it is God who will save us from those who hate the innocent.

it is highly unlikely that the board owner and mods on Holla Forums and similarly named boards on similar chan sites are not working for shareblue/another shill agency linked to the dnc and the un/eu/globalists.

Holla Forums mods are compromised globalist shills who censor you if you get too close to the truth. if you post anything they disagree with, even if it's a commonly accepted opinion on Holla Forums or anything else that gets them assblasted (((like calling out shills that are literally in every single thread))), or for no real reason at all just to piss you off, they will delete all your posts and all your threads and then ban you.

question everyone until you find out who you are not allowed to question.

we are being targeted and subverted by multiple disinformation terrorist globalist shill cells who hate us for telling the truth, and simply being who we are.

if it's the same for (((them))) then the Holla Forums mods are (((them))). eventually you will post something or start a thread and you will be censored and banned even if you did not break a single rule on Holla Forums. the ban reason will always be some fake fucking reason like "spam" or "unspecified reason". if you are in doubt, it isn't because this can't happen to you. it only means that it has not yet happened to you.

I am one of you, so don't bitch that you're being raided. all it takes is a look at /polmeta/ and /sudo/ to see just how many of us are being censored and banned every day by corrupt mods. the very founding reasons for Holla Forums "politically incorrect" "freedom of speech" are being torn down from above by the corrupt moderators and undermined from below by shills. because of our corrupt mods who are the biggest censorship loving sellout cucks in the entire world, Holla Forums is being ruined.

all that has been struggled for will be lost as Holla Forums can not function the way things are.

/polk/ is the same mods pretending to be different people. past migration efforts have all failed because we don't have the hivemind and the unity to make the move all at once. I don't care what new Holla Forums type board we all choose to migrate to but we need to make a good choice and then just make the move all together. the reason why everyone is getting banned all the time is because we have been subverted and manipulated.

who would have guessed that the very mods in charge of the board with the most freedom of speech on the entire internet that gives NO SHITS about political correctness would be some of the most CUCKED mods we have ever experienced?

this bullshit-banning has to fucking stop. we need the freedom to post the truth without being punished.

Impeach the cucked Holla Forums mods.

God bless donald trump. God bless america.

never forget the connection that Holla Forums has to /x/ and /v/, not for their board owners, but for the concepts and ideas that the good members of those boards carry in their minds and uphold with their sprits.

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

The catch is it hasn't been implemented on a large scale, although it was almost implemented by luca technology in 2010.
cnet.com/news/luca-tech-feeds-coal-eating-microbes-to-make-gas/

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

meant for

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

is there an engineer that can explain? We burn coal because the heat generated can be used to produce mechanical energy by turning turbines /pistons or whatever. What good is it if we have bacteria metabolize it into methane (also a greenhouse gas that faggots will bitch about)

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Coal contains impurities that pollute when burned. There's a problem though: methane is less energy dense than coal and a gas making it less portable.

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

You are completely right. I think the main problem is there is nowhere to move to. I was banned for a couple weeks for making a simple comment about bannon being a jew shill. Seriously wtf, he was already even attacking trump at that point. Idk whatthe mods are doing and am not a computer tech wiz so idk how all the mod stuff works but I know enough to know I should be banned for calling out a Jew everyone knows is a Jew

Ethan Hernandez
Ethan Hernandez

Shouldn't be*

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

oh so the bacteria is just metabolizing the impurities? that makes more sense

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

I think it's more like the bacteria process the organic components of coal and produce methane without the impurities.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

Is… is this a new layer of "Big if true"?

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Couldn't methane be transferred via pipeline?

Isaac Nguyen
Isaac Nguyen

Pipes leak. One thing that's good with oil is how you can just put it on a truck or tanker and deliver it anywhere. To do the same with gases you need to keep them refrigerated in a liquefied form which costs energy.

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

Bacteria are not a great way to produce something of which you need millions of tons.
Most of today's coal bed methane was produced by microbes.

What good is it if we have bacteria metabolize it into methane
Methane burns a lot cleaner than coal and the sulfur, mercury, ect will be left under ground.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

What if we spent the whole federal energy budget on building 14 nuclear reactors and never worrying about energy again?

Ayden James
Ayden James

That would be great user, but that would be even harder to push than clean coal.

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

the whole federal energy budget on building 14 nuclear reactors
(((Someone))) will make sure those are of the generator type on Three Mile Island to produce enriched uranium for their nuclear program instead of being safe or useful.
Existing nuclear reactors actually need massive government subsidies to continue operating due to being inefficient designs, but they're kept running due to being multi-purpose.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

Then could the methane be burned or converted to something else on site?

Aiden Perez
Aiden Perez

Yeah it's methane, that's natural gas.

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

Yeah it's methane, that's natural gas
I'm aware of that, but I don't know if enough of it will be produced on site to justify building a reactor or power plant.

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

I'm sure Holla Forums can find a solution in the long-run to the whole clean cost-efficient fuel problem even if this isn't the case since all these "scientists" have been shilling for (((whoever))) pays them.

Jonathan Walker
Jonathan Walker

From what I've read up, the main reason nuclear is so expensive is because of all the certifications and red tape. And because each power plant is basically a completely custom job, you have to individually test and certify every single part on each new plant built. The only thing standardized is the actual reactor itself. That's part of the reason why small modular reactors are appealing. Since the power plant is built with standardized units, you only need to deal with a fraction of the paperwork.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

We should have replaced all coal plants with nuclear generations ago. Why can't we turn Appalachia into the silicon valley of nuclear?

Gabriel Long
Gabriel Long

Need uranium, though.

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

LFTRs. Nuff said.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Coal gasification has existed forever. The Germans did this in WWII.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_fuel#History
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer–Tropsch_process

Ian Mitchell
Ian Mitchell

Why isn't the ejected carbon dioxide captured and pumped into greenhouses to increase their yield or similar shit, there are a lots of ways to make use of co2. They always talk about reducing co2 or chemical waste, but here is no such thing as chemical waste, every chemical can be used for something. Like 95% of new green "technologies" i see just seem to be another expensive ploy to squeeze out more money. Kike science indeed.

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

Kikes will probably sabotage the greenhouse and then say the technology is dangerous.

Liam Rivera
Liam Rivera

this

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

you obviously don't work in the bacteriology sector user, world industrial (non drinkable) ethanol production was 75 million tonnes in 2016 I ran the math fag. 99% of that was derived via biosynthesis.
Yeah I'm sure Israel really wants us to be energy independent and act as exporters instead of importers, good call on Trump breathing life into coal being a total zionist ploy, makes perfect sense.
Holy shit are you a bioplant engineer too? Scaling is NOT the fucking problem, they'll have that shit figured out in like 3 years tops. We're soon to become the biggest exporter of diesel created from algae, all these things take time. Standing industries interfering with progress through the easily corrupted corporate republic is the biggest hindrance to massive industrial scientific progress in our nation.
torpedo gets it
Like I said modern industry likes things just the way they are, why change cows when you spent billions setting up to milk this one?
Today it's all about how much CO2 does it create. Burning methane creates less than burning coal, and you can't burn coal in your home, methane you can.
Science user gets it.
user you are very right about kike science, but still very wrong in your non scientific way. But whatever kudos.
Yup, hopefully we can switch over before any of those old mark II's fucking fail….shitboxes.

Bentley Foster
Bentley Foster

Clean coal is kike bullshit. They will proceed with clean (((coal))), jewnewable, and dangerous geoengineering (putting gasses in the sky) instead of safer geoengineering like a solar a shade that would be far easier to regulate. Using nuclear propulsion to lift off the mass to set up a manufacturing plant in order to make the shade in situ would prevent global warming in its entirety and has been doable for decades. Reveals Climate change for the kike marxiod bullshit that it is

4th generation nuclear is the future of independent, abundant, safe and cheap energy. also been doable for decades.

Aiden Brown
Aiden Brown

You know the best way to use coal as a clean resource is as the liner for a thorium power plant. But we can't discuss thorium because it doesn't enrich uranium and all the (((science))) says salt reactors don't work because they're ignoring molten salt reactors.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

Yeah I'm sure Israel really wants us to be energy independent and act as exporters instead of importers, good call on Trump breathing life into coal being a total zionist ploy, makes perfect sense.
Who would be energy independent? You? Like you personally?

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

off topic but decent thread to bring it up, i heard on the (((news))) USA is going to be the largest oil producing country on the planet in the next few years. I'm sure that wealth will trickle down to the common man..

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

But we can't discuss thorium because it doesn't enrich uranium and all the (((science))) says salt reactors don't work because they're ignoring molten salt reactors.
not quite. Indians and Chinese have been investing into it, as well as private initiatives. Its shameful for americans as they have shelved it since the sixties

Ethan Torres
Ethan Torres

Real talk right now. What the fuck happens to technology like this that is demonstrated, makes all sorts of news, then is never spoken of again? Back when it was .mil related, I could understand, it got classified. But what the actual fuck.

Does anyone else remember that technology of using a catalyst to burn coal 100% cleanly? I fully expect a clean coal future, but it's weirding me out watching ideas get made into a pilot program, then never spoken of again.

Maybe trump is right, there's no such thing as bad publicity. If I wasn't autistic, this technology being mentioned would have been lost to the sands of time.

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

all that urianum near Yellowstone
That'll be a fun day when that fucker blows.

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

This can never get implemented on an industrial level. Maybe for powering individual houses.
You literally have to ferment the coal. Bacteria work slowly although efficiently.

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

Carbondale
Carbon

I don't know what to think of this, maybe it's just a given that people that live in places full of coal would call a place 'Carbondale' and that these people would be interested in better use of coal, but still…

Grayson Green
Grayson Green

bad pipes made with chinese steel maybe

or do pipes on average, all leak, due to some not-so-obvious physics property?

Aaron Garcia
Aaron Garcia

(((Who could be behind this?)))

bad pipes made with chinese steel maybe
And good oneswhen kikes skimp on maintenance funding.

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

user, you're a stupid fucker. Quit posting and lurk more

polite sage

Gavin Baker
Gavin Baker

This shit is dumb. You can create liquid hydrocarbons from CO2 and water if you have an abundant source of heat, like a reactor.

Fast fission reactors, which have been in use in military applications for decades, can produce good enough quality heat to run the thermochemical process of combustion in reverse. You crack apart the hydrogen from the oxygen in water, and then combine the hydrogen with the carbon in CO2.

All the carbon comes from the atmosphere. This is truly renewable energy, that allows you run a diesel truck on zero emissions, without any of that battery nonsense.

Anthony Thompson
Anthony Thompson

Trump just wants to burn more coal because he is aligned with the old hydrocarbon energy power base in the Anglo-Zionist elite. If you control energy, you control the population. Other elements in the Anglo-Zionist elite are involved with other energy sources to disrupt that old power base.
You wot m8? Then what's behind the decades-long autistic screeching emanating from the lips of nearly every kike and golem across the globe about Muh Climate Change and Muh Alternative Energy

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

Sounds like feminist shitskin propaganda.

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

the funny part of this is. THIS is sustainable, renewable energy. Coal is pure almost pure carbon that hasnt been subjected to the pressure required to produce graphite or diamond. Add to their work a bacteria to break down organic waste like shit and uneaten food into carbon and we will be sailing to the stars on fart power.

Ethan Hill
Ethan Hill

I have been a co-founder of two Advanced reactor companies. Stupid merchants destroyed the first company that I was with, and I got outed as a "Twitter Nazi" and it caused me to get booted from the second company. I am trying again on my own this time, and have come up with a optimized molten salt reactor design considering the risks of regulatory licensure and the development of extremely high reliability pumping systems.

AMA pertaining to fluid fueled reactors. I have worked with the world's best scientists in this field.
Also what would be a good platform to crowdfund on until we get some Gibs from DoE grants?

Camden Fisher
Camden Fisher

Then what's behind the decades-long austistic screeching emanating … climate change
It's right in what you quoted.
If you control energy, you control the population. Other elements in the Anglo-Zionist elite are involved with other energy sources to disrupt that old power base.

Ethan Rodriguez
Ethan Rodriguez

and I got outed as a "Twitter Nazi" and it caused me to get booted from the second company
What cuckompany was that?

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

What fuel cycle is the best for liquid core reactors? I assume thorium to breed U-233?

What is the minimum size you can make one of these?

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

The differences between the uranium-238-plutonium and thorium-uranium-233 Cycles are actually not large.

Thorium has better characteristics for breeding in softer Neutron spectrums, but both Cycles pose proliferation risks, both Cycles can be made Iso breeders or will require somewhat similar levels of quality of makeup fuel if they are run as burners.

Increasing the radius of the core by about 10 cm is going to have a larger impact than the type of fuel you are running off of. People imagine that thorium is some magical Wonder Fuel, and that's really not the case. Uranium-233 can be used to make bomb material, and the design of the reactor will have to take into account inherent safeguards in order to be economically competitive regardless of the fuel used.

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

Severance agreement dictates I withhold their name. They are actually amazing people that I do not fault, but the amount of harassment the company was getting from Canada to the US to the UK was simply untenable. Startups cannot tolerate harassment and threats of bad press. I had shitty OpSec and paid the penalty.

Justin Baker
Justin Baker

Yes, hello. I would like to speak with disruptive elements :)

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

1213110
Severance agreement
dictates my life forever
forever
You stupid cuck slave piece of shit.
Leave this place now.

Eli Green
Eli Green

Fuck me.
Severance agreement
dictates my life forever
forever
You stupid cuck slave piece of shit.
Leave this place now.

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

get lost tor whore.

I got good terms on severance. I am dictating my life. I am not going to be a piece of shit and break my promise to decent people. If you ain't altruistic you ain't white and you can get the fuck outta the gene pool.

Kayden Cook
Kayden Cook

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Justin Bennett
Justin Bennett

volcanic eruption even a supposed supervolcano like yellowstone could never induce fission.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

Yanna Liang
Shilling for coal
Why would a chink shill for coal power?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coal_power_stations