This is Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson vs skeptics Michael Shermer and some asshole on the Joe Rogan Podcast last May.
Graham and Randall present tons of compelling evidence and theory of a catastrophe that happened around 12,000 B.C. and wiped out a lot of the ice age species that faggots say humans sent to extinction, and also destroyed an ancient, lost, advanced civilization - the survivors of which assimilated with more primitive hunter-gatherer groups to survive while selectively passing on them some of the technology and knowledge from before the catastrophe, to help them develop. It is all very plausible and if nothing else suggests there's a lot more to the story of history than accepted by mainstream academia.
Defending mainstream academia we have Michael and his buttboy. They aren't here to actually learn anything or have a real debate, they just want to repeat these talking points:
b-but the evidence
b-but the peer review
b-but the scientific consensus
b-but whatabout these other guys who were wrong about things
b-but where are the 14,000 year-old tools and trash and huts? shouldn't they be easy for us to find?
The skeptics even have the audacity to suggest that the builders of Göbekli Tepe were hunter-gatherers - that even though they organized to move massive stones to construct geometric structures adorned with astronomical high reliefs, since there is not yet any evidence of tools or trash (site is <10% excavated) we cannot therefore call those builders a civilization "No," say the skeptics, "these were still hunter-gatherers, they just must be more capable than we thought, and they don't need division of labor and agricultural/industrial production surpluses to sustain workers to build things that don't pertain to immediate survival.
The skeptics rarely even attack Graham/Randall's work on its basis, and when they do they attack strawmen, which Graham/Randall immediately strike down, but the skeptics nevertheless insist they are right in declaring that the strawmen really are G/R's arguments - it is all rather pathetic. The skeptic's purpose here is to endlessly dismiss G/R's theories as 'debunked' because "If they are correct, then why doesn't literally every scientist believe everything you say yet? Show me dem tools and trash, boy!"
These absurd appeals to authority, and irrationally arrogant hostility to the theory and G/R themselves demonstrate to me that their attack on the theory really isn't based on science or sound skepticism, but is because accepting it or even considering it would 1. crush their fragile modern egos with the knowledge that modern civilization isn't as exceptional and historically privileged as they've been led to believe, and 2. annihilate both the Hegelian (capitalist) and Marxist (communist) philosophies of historical 'progress' - unraveling the political-theoretical foundations of the entire developed world, commanding a good number of our social projects and programs to halt and catch fire.
If that happened the existing batch of academics would basically all be out of jobs, and all their knowledge and work would largely be mired in quick sand within this new context. So you see why the establishment has an interest in preserving the status quo: to contemporary academics, a cyclical rather than progressive history is an existential threat as much as proof that Jesus did not resurrec is to Christian priests.
The skeptic Michael seemed pretty disinterested in the heart of the subject really, seeming instead only concerned with repeating his talking points. And just as the CIA worked to manipulate European Post-Modern philosophers into opposing the Soviet party line, I think something similar may be in play here. Michael may very well be some sort of agent posing as a skeptic to discredit and smear ideological enemies, and the number of times he argued "That's just a coincidence!" I actually had to look up whether or not he is a Jew.
His skeptic geologist buddy is an even bigger embarrassment, who, after calling out Randall for laughing incredulously ("The incredulous laugh doesn't make you right!"), when called out for repeatedly acting incredulous, replies "That's because you say a lot of incredulous things!" Incredulity makes the skeptic right because he has a diploma lol. Dude even autistically takes literal shit Graham says figuratively.
After watching this I've never been more certain that the narratives and philosophies that dominate our modern lives are total bullshit. Leftist 'progress' is a lie, humans didn't evolve from monkeys, life is incredibly resilient, it makes no sense that so much of the rest of the universe would be empty if the world is natural, the modern nation-state is not the pinnacle of consciousness, and democracy is not the end of history.
He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.