Nipponese Learning Thread Copypasta of Copypasta Edishun

I want to study but I don't know how to study. Basically I have been writing out the kanji over and over in a notebook and just doing my best to memorize the readings and their meanings, but it feels inefficient, like there's got to be some better way of consolidating and absorbing the information. Maybe I'm just putting too much thought into it. What do you do to study? Do you think it's enough to just get the readings, stroke order and meaning down?

Many kana-only games use spaces, what's the problem?

learn readings of a kanji by learning words that use that kanji.

I tried to do it that way but it was too much effort. I just write down a new kanji a few times and move on, then practice writing it again later. It seems to me that the shapes and radicals need to solidify into your brain before attempting to really write, and that happens with time and practice, not writing the same kanji a million times.

Just learn the meanings and stroke order. Learn the readings through vocab study and reading practice.

You can't learn Japanese.
Learning Japanese is just a waste of time, do yourself a favor and just stop.
You'll never truly understand it anyway.

Don't listen to this fag, you CAN learn Japanese. Do it and laugh in his faggot face, and then you can rape that smug little bitch with her no.2 fucking pencil and feel good about the accomplishment.

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Homophoness

On topic, how would you guys make gameplay around learning Japanese? Kana are easy enough, so I was thinking about what a game where you learn kanji would be like. My current idea is something like guitar hero or audiosurf where a kanji comes down a track and you pick a lane based on the correct reading. Problem is it isn't anything more than a disguised multiple choice question and I don't think that it's stimulating enough. It also doesn't help with stroke order.

Context

One of the major problems I have with the kana is pronunciation. I have gotten to the point where I can more or less immediately recognize the character, but I will stumble when trying to pronounce things. I have taken to using metronomeonline.com/ to pace myself so that I can develop a rhythm to my pronunciation.
I was thinking the same thing, only I think it should also incorporate some oral speaking test, i.e. you use a microphone to say the words and the game will detect whether or not you got it right. I know such things aren't perfect and prone to error but I think if someone made it well that it could be a useful tool for learning how to gain some flow.

Rather than a game based on learning Japanese, just play Japanese games.

RPG form such as hiragana battle or the even older knuckles in chinaland. Play for the story and progress by learning nipp.

I can more or less get the general gist of games and other shit like anime or doujins entirely in Japanese where I'm at right now, but I still need to develop my vocabulary. Just picking stuff up as I encounter it works but I tend to forget or just get frustrated, especially with kanji. I think a fair bit of hammering them into your brain is required, and I think a game is a decent way to fool your brain into learning while also having some mild fun. It's an excuse for repetition and more of an incentive to memorize.

Honestly I've never had problems with pronunciation. Granted I don't have anyone to actually criticize me so I could just be completely garbage at it but I think you get a feel for it by just hearing a lot of Japanese being spoken.

I recommend memrise for learning your kana and your vocab. I also found a large course that focuses on making you practice verb forms and I find it very helpful.

Haven't touched the Genki book since August because of school. Wish I had time to take a few classes on it because I think structure is extremely important here. Which is why I think memrise is great.

Would be nice to have a Jap Holla Forums Discord server. The other one I was in was too ban happy and it had this one brony who asked how to say "gender-fluid" in japanese (who then got told to not use made-up Tumblr pronouns by some Jap).

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you know, I was thinking about this earlier. Spanish is pretty much an entire language whose nouns are predicated on a dichotomy of gender, i.e. there are masculine noun and adjective forms and feminine noun and adjective forms (el matador is masculine; la flor is feminine). If you made up some third gender noun and threw it into the mix, the entire language would be fucked beyond repair. It just makes me wonder if English is especially fucked because it can be toyed with so easily, or if other languages could also fall prey to this type of bullshit.

Add new words you encounter into anki or any other srs deck of your choosing.

The issue with memrise is you can't study ahead, you can only learn at the pace it sets. Some days I can do 20 words of anki others days 30-40 but with memrise you'll always be stuck at 20?i think that's the max
Just use realkana.com, it isn't really something you need a deck for.

Irrelevant. Nobody other than mentally ill faggots cares about special snowflake pronouns.

True. I've seen people replacing certain letter by an x or an e in order to make them gender neutral, making the word flow like a river of bricks. I hate it.

German is in a similar position and the atrocities against proper spelling committed by academitards make your stomach turn, so I don't think that language factors into it very much.

? I just click on "Learn new words" again. You can keep learning. Sometimes I learn a few, sometimes I decide to do two lessons.

huh, they must have changed it or I was thinking of something else.

Don't forget about @, user! :^)

You can't learn Japanese, you just look like pathetic weebs if you keep trying.

Compelling argument user. Does it frighten you that others succeeded at where you failed?

How are those sour grapes, user?

Granted, I didn't learn everything by self-studying, but I'm glad I didn't quit even though depression and stuff

Probably looked up every second word.
Don't lie.

Ordinarily I'd agree with memrise. But I just migrated all my courses/progress into Anki last night. Took like 3 hours but it's finally done. After like 1.5 years of using memrise I'm finally sick of their shit.

They've got no change management at all. So they just break shit and you've got no choice to fix it. Recently they broke strict-typing so shit suddenly starts making you wrong for not putting a comma in the right place. Then the last few days the web version's been completely broken and unable to track progress. Plus there's no way to turn around when it marks you wrong and go "No, I got that right."

Saying that. Memrise is great when you're starting out as they take care of a lot of stuff (I hated anki when I started). But the major downside is you're entirely reliant on their service being up and working the same it was yesterday.

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(あなた)

It's not nice to bully the mentally challenged.

No just Japanese.

Not even lying. If you decide you can't do something before even trying, you'll never be able to do it though.

The first game I actually played in Japanese was some Erementar Gerad rpg for the gba when I was like 16, took me forever cause it had a lot of difficult kanji, but right now I rarely have to look up stuff unless I'm playing a complicated VN/game or something.
It IS tiring as fuck when you're still slow, but it gets more fun the more you get used to it.

Also, Dragon quest is pretty easy to read. It's not kana soup like pokemans, most kanji are easy so it's pretty good for training

Yup. A little over a year ago I was playing through Breath of Fire 3, a game with fairly simple dialog, and I had to look up pretty much every other word. Fast forward to now and I easily got through Persona 5 while hardly looking up anything.

What's wrong with that. You look it up once, twice, then you don't look it up again

BoF is another good one to play in japanese, I played 1~3 and gonna play 4 some time. 1 and 2's dialogue makes so much more sense it's not even funny.

What talk shows, movies/game reviews in 日本語 do you guys recommend?
That's how I learned english, just listening to people talking, often without a script.

And 4 had some scenes censored in the English release, so it was nice to finally play the complete version.

What if I need it for a job?

because i have pride in my country.
USA
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許さない

Are you weebs just learning how to read moon? Not speak?

I was initially. But then about 3 months ago I started doing online lessons with a native speaker, which really helped. Went on a holiday there in Sep for three weeks and holy shit was it fun. With 1.5 years of study, mostly reading/writing, I was able to navigate just fine. To the point where I befriended everyone in a Tokyo izakaya including the owner. Speaking only moon.

Basically if anyone's neglecting their speaking/listening, stop it. That shit is super useful and makes things super awesome if you go over there.

Impressive.

Best part is, 1) foreigners are interesting because they're rare, and 2) foreigners who can speak Jap are even rarer. So you can make friends in izakayas and shit really easy.

Also means for many Japs the bar for speaking is super low. So they're more than happy that you can speak ANY Japanese; regardless of whether you're fluent or sound like a caveman.

Currently getting a new file going in MHX to get geared up for XX in March. Other than that, looking forward to the new Kamen Rider game next month and the new SRW in February and in the meantime playing tentacle porn social games

I want to do radical and kanji decks, what's the best way to do that and which decks should I use?

Pic related, I found both in the OP, there is one normal version "All in One Kanji" and "Kanji Radicals" and there is also the wanikani version.
Which one would you recommend?

I already did that but I personally want to do isolated kanji decks as well so I recognize the kanji more easily in words I don't know + I want to be able to read jukugo.

I have no interest in going to Japan.

almost done with katakana with 1.5 - 2 hours spent on learning nihongo each day since start of November

i try to play with realkana and always try to make it to at least 90/100

still i feel like im beginning to forget some characters

also i think i look really retarded trying to mutter things and writing in the air in the public, walking on the way to work or home.

thanks i'll try pokemon

Don't worry about it. As long as you keep using them you'll remember them. When you see Japanese writing try to read it as much as you can.

You could try not being autistic.

Audiobooks, they are the key. Get both kindle and AB version, and read while you listen. If you can't use the language daily, this is the next best thing.

Any recommendations? It's not something that's in the wiki.

Jesus Christ how do radicals work and should I even bother with them?
I expected small kanji components that build a kanji and that it makes sense.
Of course just like everything in Japanese nothing makes sense.

You have 目 as radical and there is also one that's supposed to be legs okay, fine.
You would think 見 is made from 目 + the legs and that is obviously the case but fuck everything it's also it's own radical.
Why? There are many more like that.

Even worse I learn one radical and then I notice it has variants that don't look anything like the original radical.

In other cases you learn a radical but you only ever see it's variants used.

I mean what the actual fuck?
I thought learning radicals would make it piss easy to learn new kanji cause I instantly see it's parts, but in the end it just confuses me even more.
I mean fuck I don't need to become a radicals master to see 談 is made from 　言 and　火 hell I obviously knew that before knowing they are radicals by learning the kanji.

I'm confused as fuck as to why people recommend learning radicals.

Because it gives faster recognition of similar looking kanji. For example, I find it easy to confuse 袋　and 姿 at first glance. By knowing that 姿 has 女 in it I can more easily distinguish the two. Radicals aren't a magic 100% retention rate tool, but they can be helpful none the less.

When you have a solid number of radicals under your belt, it becomes easier to memorize new kanji because you can remember them as stories or combinations of words rather than by rote memorization. Once you get past a few hundred kanji that's actually really, really useful.

Also, if you know radicals, you can make educated guesses as to the meanings of kanji you haven't seen before.

Why does this keep happening?
I'm using the "All in one kanji" deck and everything was fine for a long time but recently every other new kanji doesn't have a english meaning attached to them, forcing me to look it up myself and edit the card manually.
That's not much of a big deal, but it makes me question if that deck is any good in the first place.

I could try to redownload it, but I'm afraid that all my progress will be gone then. Is there a way to update decks or something?

I don't know and even worse, I can't find that kanji anywhere lol.

That's what I found in my deck.

Managed to find it by copypasting it out of anki into jisho, turns out it means melt or fuse.

Really makes me wonder if I downloaded a deck full of obscure kanjis that are barely ever used

Tokeru is pretty common.

I see.
But obviously there are multiple kanjis to convey the same word and meaning which are written in similar ways in this case.

Oh well, I'll just keep going with this deck I have for now and see what happens .
I'm also doing "Core 2k/6k optimized Japanese vocabulary " everyday for general vocabulary so I'm not worried about being completly lost

Looks like some obscure way to write the same shit, weird.

How far are you into the deck?

249 days according to anki. Then again, I'm not sure if it's taking the days where I skipped into consideration (which was pretty often) or if it's just counting the days where I actually used anki

Wait, people actually do that? Isn't that just adding extra work?

You should download the stroke order font.
nihilist.org.uk/

No, in fact it's generally more effective as it engages visual memory

I learned kana and then gave up almost immediately when I hit kanji. Don't have time. Now I've forgotten all the kana.

If it works it works.

I find that trying to remember
Multiplied by how many new words I'm trying to remember is generally enough without adding extra ontop.

May as well give up now.

お前は日本語を習得できない

Probably these settings.

I did the same thing and I regret it immensely. I could be fluent by now if I wasn't such a limp dicked little fuccboi with no willpower or ambition.

You don't have to be a limp dicked fuccboi forever. Get studying fag.

ITT: CAN'Ts comparing the size of their decks and complaining about the "logic" behind a natural language not being up to their standards, while ignoring the immersion methods posited by the only anons from here who have actually learned Japanese.

Why does Anki trigger you so much? Immersion isn't the only effective method.

I learned the kana over six years ago, haven't really studied sense, and I pretty much still remember all of them. Get gud Great Again.

As for your kanji, get cracking.
kanjidamage.com/radicals

*since

Problems experienced by anons ITT:
Protip: the answer is immersion. These are all XY-problems.

Prove it faggot.

Those of you who found immersion helpful, how did you go about it?

TV, anime, games, manga. If you can find a nip to speak to do so. Some user recommended pokemon earlier. I find that it's pretty good. There's no real plot so you can skip any text that is too difficult or too tiring. You can find Japanese roms pretty easily.

Yes I understand the idea, I'm interested in hearing specific experiences of those who have tried it

I happen to have found the link to the anki deck while browsing through stuff

ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504

Some kanji are missing data cause they are just too obscure.

How do you pronounce [じゃない]?
Is the [い] at the end blended together with the [な] to may a long vowel sound in the same way that [せい] blend together? When I plug the phrase into google translate, the automated voice says pronounces the [い] distinctly by itself, but that just doesn't seem right.

ja.forvo.com/search/じゃない/

Site is full of native pronunciation not just for nipp.

a can only be extended by a you fucking faggot

じゃない blends together. I've only ever heard the い pronounced distinctly in songs.

I've never heard of that.

He is asking if it extends it you stupid bitch.

thanks

Wrong, you're wrong. I was asking how to pronounce it and whether or not the [ない] make a long vowel sound. Blow it out your ass.

Sorry no. It has been over 10 years since I studied languages seriously. And I have lost all material somewhere in the old hard drive box. I studied multiple languages at the same time and quickly noticed that only audiobooks + written version simultaneously, makes strong enough memory imprint to compensate the lack of semi-everyday use of the language. But that was just in my case, you are most likely different, and thus something else might work for you.

I know this is the classic boring advice, but try children's/teen books first. It really works. They emphasize the correct grammar and use simple as possible language, while still having some very common everyday abstractions in them.

Japanese has a lot of homophones, user. This is why kana only is almost completely indecipherable.

Example

Every single one of these kanji are pronounced から. There are too many homophones in Japanese to be able to understand something if it's written purely in kana

I suppose the Japanese can't actually understand each other when they are talking, then.

うらにわにはにわにわにはにわにわとりがいる

Any idea what I'm talking about?

Sure, it's a classic tongue-twister. 裏庭には二羽庭には二羽鶏がいる (There are two chickens in the backyard, and two in the (front) yard)
Nice cherry-picking

thisisamisnomeraswhileafluentenglishspeakercouldbeabletoreadenglishiftherewerenocapitalizationpunctuationorspacesitisstillveryhardtodosoandidoubtanovicecoulddoittoo

I'm down. Give me strength and tell me i can do it

Pure immersion is not as effective as using something like Anki as a supplement. I play Nip games pretty much every day, and the only words I have real trouble with are the ones that I don't have in my Anki deck. They just don't stick in my mind as well just from reading.

You pretty much prove his point that kanji makes it easier to read.

HEY GUYS, I LEARNED JAPANESE THANKS TO THESE THREADS. THANKS GUYS!!

You can't do it. May as well kill yourself for being such a miserable failure.

prove me wrong

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I can't.Deliver me a rope or a shotgun

You can't change a thing!

You can do it, user, I believe in you!

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Thank you user.I feel better

His point wasn't that kanji make things easier to read, nobody disputed that. The point was that kana-only is unreasonably hard to read.

Stop pushing for stupid insignificant goals. You are not going to learn anything by pushing grammar and obscure shit. Just learn to through listening and reading. My advice:
1) Pick up a children's book and read it, after that, you find out how the grammar in that book works. Then pick up another one, and so on.
2) Listen to audiobooks, you don't need to understand everything, just mark down on paper the (timecode) part that you didn't understand. Then find out how those parts go, and listen again.
3) Use the insanely large database of online tutorials. But, if at any point, you feel tired of learning, stop. That means you are full. Do something else, and continue the next day.
Pic is /a/utism, sorry.

So I've had a Jap 101 class once a week for about two months now. It's pretty good. I had tried to study by myself all summer but was a lazy cunt. So I thought a class would keep me more dedicated to studying. It was easy at first because it was mostly just learning the kana, basic sentences like greetings and 'this and that' and such, but the past two classes we really delved into common particles and verbs. The class is also helping with the vocal aspect, and helping with the shyness of speaking. I just wish the class was more often.

But if you are having trouble staying dedicated, maybe find a class. The place I found isn't a college but a Jap cultural society kinda thing, it was pretty inexpensive. And it's rather fun. Also, Genki is really fucking good. I think the order it lays things out and the exercises it provides, and the workbook too, are insanely helpful.

And, there isn't a single weeb in the class, everyone there is either a business person or a 2nd/3rd gen Nip that never learned anything from their parents. So I lucked out. Or maybe they're all hiding their power level like I am.

How are you supposed to memorize all this? Half of it looks the same, and at least one of the alphabets shouldn't even exist.

Those are sound tips user.Thank you

I'm on the exact opposite side, reading is easy, speaking is difficult.

I'm also more to the opposite of this. Very untalkative so I end up neglecting speaking and writing a lot.

How is that even possible? Do you live in Japan or something?

Only for a couple years. It's like they say, immersing yourself in a foreign country is the best way to learn a new language. Never made any attempt to learn the writing though. Something about just makes me feel really lazy, and it's not as fun as learning to speak nip either.

Also I hope you're not talking shit about katakana nigger.

Whatd you do there? Are you still there?

;_;

How can I saw "It was (Person name's) fault"

Also, "(Person)'s voice sounded kind of different."

Please respond.

(Person's name)のせいだた?

Man, I've been here a year and a third, and I still can't speak worth shit.

だった*

Am I the only one who thinks き looks kinda like a ding-dong?

I just say it looks like a key, which is a convenient way of remembering how to pronounce it.

Same

This sucks

やらないか

I think you need to go have your ding dong checked by a doctor immediately user.

What are you doing user? Learning pronunciation?

I'm learning Biology and Chemistry instead

ええ、あります
On a sidenote, get into a youtube channel called Japan Society and download an extension called Mainichi. Don´t lose time learning Katakana because you will see it progressively, just notice that this is N (ン) and this is So (ソ). Don´t lose sleep over the writing style of Kanji, many of the same radicals are written differently for no fucking reason. For example in Hidari 左 and Migi 右 the same cross radical is written differently, but nothing changes. You have to have a notion of the sounds of combined Kanji but don´t lose sleep over it. The kanji change both Onyomi and Kunyomi pronounciation frequently. Also, the Hiragana next to the kanji tell you how to pronounce it. For example 見 (Mi) has three pronounciations (Miseru, Miru, and Mieru for Kunyomi and Ken for Onyomi) BUT the writing tells you how to read it. For example 見える (Mieru) or 見せる (Miseru). THERE I just saved you a lot of head aches.

youtube.com/watch?v=YDAH5aBQGMQ

In case you´re wondering

Has it not been shown trying to remember all the readings is retarded?

I´ve been practicing so much it became second nature. A really good excercise is to translate songs. It shows you how the kanji interacts with the Kana and if you go to japan you will be ready for the Karaoke. Not that you neets will use it for socializing tho

Yeah, don't bother trying to learn the readings of the individual kanji.

But I thought you couldn't learn japanese

Learn the core particle so you have an Idea how it reads. The hiragana does the rest

Or just learn vocab, and the rest will fall into place. Rather than try and remember 見＝けん, just learn words like 発見、見物、意見, etc. and you will learn it that way.

甘い夏子供

True dat… yeah, words are easier

…what? I'm so fucking confused right now, it's not even funny.
What do you even mean by this?

You can learn kanji in two ways, combining them with hiragana or with other Kanji. As said, you can learn Kanji combinations (which make much fucking sense TBH fam) or you can read them with Kana (you know, both Katakana or Hiragana) and just memorize the core particle.

For example Sakura 桜 Is a combination of 木 (Ki) and 女 (Onna) so the Sakura is a tree that drops leaves on top of girls. You don´t really need to learn the core particles, unless you want to be an ace at Kanji like I do, but I do it for work purposes

That's not to say you should't learn kanji, just don't try and learn all the readings in a vacuum without context. You'll never remember them that way.

This is how I learn kanji. I have an Anki deck that just shows me the meaning, and I try and remember the right kanji and write it down. That's it.

I cannot get into Anki because I rely too much on muscle memory, but that´s fucking neat user. Shows that there is more than one way to Albuquerque (or Akihabara)

I got this file that helped me with the first. I think it worked for me

That's just learning vocabulary.
That's just learning radicals.
I think what is asking is
Which was said to tell you the reading.

Fam, Fam plz

バンプ～

Forgot I posted this when I was drunk. Anyway, I'm the user with the N1 from the previous threads. Immersion is pretty much the only way to get to any real level of proficiency. You may see some gains doing this and that, but like climbing a tall tree to get to the moon, you'll progress steadily right up until you don't. I also never said anything against using spaced repetition, I even said that's what I did. However, there's a big difference between using a flash card program to reinforce what you've exposed yourself to through immersion, and just grabbing a popular deck and drilling it.

I'll repeat again how it works.
1. Set aside a few hours a day and go full Japanese for that amount of time. No checking your phone for english language texts from friends. No listening to music with non-Japanese lyrics (classical and electronica without lyrics is fine though). Bonus points if your computer's OS and all programs are in Japanese.
2. Do Japanese. Just do it. Anything works, especially doing what you're learning Japanese for in the first place, whether that's reading manga, watching anime, playing games, reading VNs, watching J-dramas, whatever. Get full sentences from these to make flash cards from (VNs are awesome for this, as you can hear the lines read out loud in a lot of them, and repeat it if you miss something).
3. Look up words you don't know in a Japanese-Japanese dictionary.
I'm not done, faggot. You should be copying these definitions into a text file and then into your flash card program when you understand it. Every word in the definition that you don't understand, look that up too. Eventually it will distill down to the simplest possible terms. You need a children's dictionary for this, however. It should also have definitions for all of the particles and grammar shit too, plus lots of example sentences (which should be flash cards).
4. Supplement your immersion with textbooks and study materials aimed at children, even pre-school-age if you need it. This includes kanji writing books and the like.
5. Do your spaced repetition. The front of the card should be a sentence in kanji, the back the same sentence in all kana.
No. Don't put it in your deck if you don't know it. If you went too long between reps and forgot something, bust that dictionary out. Don't let English anywhere near your deck.

This post might be all over the place so ask if you have any questions.

秋巻紙

Also, the number of words you have to look up per sentence/definition will drop proportionally to how much Japanese you know, so bear with it in the beginning. The definitions shouldn't ever go circular either, at least they didn't in my dictionary. Your ratio of doing shit/looking up shit will increase with your Japanese too, so it's not all grind until the end. One day you'll find you don't have to look anything up, and you'll know Japanese and just fucking do it like a native would.

where are these touhou images (come on boy, etc.) from?

pixiv.net/member.php?id=4325914

forced meme

谢谢

Have you studied your core radicals user? How are you even kanji?

Learn your fucking particles
You don´t want to sound like a fucking nigger, do you?
youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5_5k7EPIM

im taking it easy with my nipponese learning after hiragana and katakana
i can read make out the letters but not fast enough

my first kanji is genki and hito (maybe)
i need to get cardio in my every day habits

You can't. Do not take it easy. Persist, or you will lose it.

dont worry ill take a jog in the park while i write in the air with my finger and murmur hiragana, katakana and maybe some easy kanji, Yujin-san

Yes. I was forced to study Chinese when I was young.

By already knowing Chinese.

Chinese characters are different though. Like in that image you posted, only 力 and 智 are kanji.

If you have to learn an outdated language, might as well overdo it.

Enjoying your banana computer user?

If you're talking in Japanese with nips and you have to use a loanword should you pronounce it the correct way or should you intentionally pronounce it like a nip would?
So for example if you're talking about a card should you say card like you do in english or "caado"? What about words that sound considerably different than their english version like キャベツ or ゲーム?

I'd use the jap pronunciation.
It'd just sound weird if I didn't.

I heard they are more likely to understand if you use the nip pronounciation.

Imagine you'd be talking with a german person about a kindergarden, and he'd pronounce it the way it's supposed to be pronounced in german.
Wouldn't you find that really weird?

They won't understand most of the time. Even words that are VERY close, like "data," they have a hard time with if you're not using the particular stretching they do.

降 and 嗤 are also used in Japanese. Kanji just means Chinese characters so they're all kanji, even if Japanese don't use them. Also the other two are just simplified versions of 噴 and 霧 though you're right in that you probably won't see Japanese write them like that.

Nice try, chink. The Japanese do not recognize bastardized commie runes as kanji. The kanji used in Japanese are a subset of a set of chinese characters sampled 1000+ years ago. Just because 漢字 means "chinese character" doesn't mean Japanese are referring to the chinese language, modern or otherwise, in any way, your pedantry aside.
You will absolutely never see them written like that. Exceptions being some smaller computer fonts and sometimes, quickly written kanji (ex: 2 perpendicular lines may be written like a "z" for speed, or similar abbreviation) and even then, the similarity is coincidental.

You'll find you naturally use the Jap pronunciation, anyway. The two languages flow differently, so I always found it's really jarring to suddenly insert an English word pronounced properly. Like your mouth and brain have to slam on the brakes and do a 90° turn.

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Linguists call that "code-switching." It will fuck your language abilities up momentarily if you try it without being highly proficient and experienced in both languages. Usually just long enough to lose track of a conversation or dialogue. See point 1 from here

"Loan words" are Japanese words. Saying the English, German, or whatever original word it was derived from will confuse whoever you're speaking to, or get you laughed at for being a pretentious ass who thinks he's saying it the "right" way.

Just use your real name you sperg.

The character in that picture is not 降. The bottom right portion is 4 strokes in Japanese, but only 3 strokes there. You got me on 嗤 though, turns out it's used as another way of writing 笑う.

So what's a good J-J dictionary then?

Search amazon japan for チャレンジ 小学国語辞典. I use the fourth edition of that. The current is 6th, but it shouldn't be too different. Also try searching just 小学国語辞典 or 国語辞典 to see what all is out there. No guarantee that the one I use is the best, but just make sure whatever you get is for children.

If you set Google to Japanese it will give you definitions just by searching a word.

I like weblio.jp (uses Daijirin among others, can search for dialect words) & dictionary.goo.ne.jp (differs from above). I use Koujien too sometimes but don't like it as much personally. I think you can find a site that uses it but I can't remember it. Should be able to find an EPWING version of it and a couple others in the op somewhere which can be nice as you can set rikaichan to use them. zokugo-dict.com can be decent for some slang.

For stuff you can't find in a dictionary, Googling with 意味 will probably find you something.

im in adjectives now watching tae kim videos
third week after starting nipponese learning
i keep pausing and taking notes on every kanji i see, hope i dont forget them. any tips?

this is now my video games

i guess i will
are there other games that are good for beginners

Dragon quest
Also replaying games you've already finished, knowing the context beforehand speeds things up a lot

ポポロクロイス物語

wonder if i should replay Dragon Quest 3 i never finished it

To stop forgetting characters, you have to use them, especially outside the context of flashcards or whatever. When I started translating my school notes into Japanese, my retention improved dramatically. It's a harder workout to remember and spell the word for 'difficult' than to simply read むずかしい. Listening and speaking reinforces everything big time, too.

As for writing in the air, learn from the Japanese and trace letters on your palm with your index finger instead. It's more subtle.

How soon should I try to start reading real material? Can I try reading Yotsuba& along with Core2k?
I've done some basic grammer and vocabulary so far.

I've been working on my pronunciation the most, even if I make no sense, I want to make sure It at least sounds how it's supposed to.

vocaroo.com/i/s1QhcMoEtqNm

Same with trying to use the Japanese pronunciation of loanwords in English like karate or karaoke.

Here's my next attempt at Japanese

vocaroo.com/i/s1G2MV2YLIXU

The sooner you start, the sooner you'll make serious progress. For me, practicing listening got me through plateaus and accelerated my learning overall. For some reason, even listening to Nip music during my daily routine helped. I started out just hearing random sounds, but after a week, I could hear distinct words and grammatical structure. Adding an hour every day of Japanese TV streams improved my listening skills ridiculously fast. It's also cool to see their news about Trump and TPP and Halloween and stuff.

Can anyone recommend Japaenese music artists? I only know Tommy February6, DAOKO, and Tofubeats.

I like Hanazawa Kana's voice and a lot of her own albums are pretty nice. There's a discography on Nyaa I'm pretty sure.

It's like people are actively avoiding what I've said.

Can't ignore those double dubs.What did you say user?

I've kept as much of my life in Japanese as possible since the end of summer. I switched my system language & software languages over to Japanese and dropped most non-Japanese entertainment. I don't actively avoid immersion, it's just unbelievable that passively looking and listening has the impact it does. Seems like progress should require constant concentration and discipline.

The other best but odd study tip that had the greatest impact for me is making a name deck. I grabbed names from pop culture, like 宮本 (みやもと) and 矢沢 (やざわ). In elementary school, part of the reading curriculum was reading nonsense words from pic related. Maybe a Japanese names deck works for similar reasons.

So I'm using Heisig's Remembering The Kanji at about 20 kanji a day as well as using anki. The problem is that the first book has no lessons for grammar or vocab (they come in the later books I think). How soon should I learn this stuff? On average I think I can learn most of the kanji in about 5 months so I was wondering if I could learn grammar and vocab afterwards or if it's something that really needs to be learned now

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In my case it's because I'm bored

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Do it

I just want to learn japanese so I can meet kawaii japanese girls.

You do realise that you are essentially saying the more you put in the more you get out right?

I wouldn't be surprised if most people that pass through these threads, learn the kana then do the minimum of daily reps.

You don't want that.

RTK isn't for grammar or vocabulary; it's all about remembering the kanji.

Grammar and vocabulary are more important than kanji.

Guess I'll die alone then cause I don't want any other women.

どの漫画家？

Just deal with 2D women you fag. 3DPD isn't worth learning about fashion or whatever other superficial interests they have, let alone learning a whole other language.

Japanese is a pretty sounding language though.

sauce?
i've read it before but I can't remember the name or the artist for the life of me.

これはバカ人

I've been studying nip for a year and a half now, and I didn't understand a lick of that video

I've been studying nip for 5 months and only had to look up 2 words.

Tell us how you've been "studying" so we can laugh at you help set you straight.

Source?

Also I currently "know" English and Spanish. I was thinking of learning Japanese because muh video games and also it would look pretty cool to have Japanese on my job résumé for shits and giggles. Where do I start? How many hours should I be putting practicing and learning everyday/week.

Well shit, I better study grammar and vocab then. Should I carry on learning kanji alongside them?

Yes.

Will do then, thanks.

i tried subbing it just for the heck of it
its easy i know im wrong at the most crucial parts

Do you mean the text near the end?
I think it's saying something along the lines of "Yesterday's me is a different book from today's me".

0:48 and 2:05
i cant make it out

as for the text near the and i just read as is and made it my own. i think yours is better

The only thing I understood in that video was baka!.

Sounds to me like 「お前本とか読む人？」 which I'd translate as "Do you read (books)?". More literally I guess it'd be something like "Are you the kind of person who reads books?"

Also wouldn't 「世界が変わるぜ」 be "Let's change the world"? because of the ぜ at the end?

Sorry to be a pain in the arse again but what's the best way to learn vocab? Are there any anki decks I can use or should I go another route? I already know what to use for grammar.

thanks for the tip

i had a hard time trying to make out the sentence, i keep going back to my dictionary
but it sounds like this
im confused

No. It just adds exaggerated masculinity to it. That and the way she changes her voice and does the hand thing, shows she's imitating the dude from the store. Makes the first CM linked above make a little more sense. The line itself though means "It'll change the/your world, yo" Also, you didn't get the line before that one either. It's 読んでみなよ, a colloquial form of something like 読んでみてください or "give this a read." Did you hear, 「何でもないよ」 or something? I'm sure you fucked up elsewhere too but I gotta get to work. Don't translate stuff if you're not a pro, it'll just confuse and fuck you up, and it's not part of the Japanese learning process whatsoever. Especially spoken Japanese, when you're not even hearing it right.

The bitch is hot though tbh.

"Let's change the world" would be 「世界を変えろう」. 変わる is the intransitive version of the verb change, so that's more like "the world will change".

Core 2k/6k is the recommended one.

Yeah I found it before but thanks for letting me know I got the right one anyway.

Why was the thread created by someone just learning katakana? i only noticed since I was considering creating a small guide for the OP of the next one

It's a good deck but don't expect it to cover everything, you'll still need to create your own deck with words you come across.

Will do.

Probably because no one else did it, the thread usually dies and stays dead for hours before someone makes a new one.
Also most people are beginners here.

i created it because i wanted to discuss more

なるほど。
Thanks for clearing that up, Anons.

I genuinely thought it was the same user since there's usually been a dedicated bumper.

Fair enough as I said above, I was just surprised.

What animu is she from, user?

D-Frag

I'm one of the dedicated bumper, but I stopped to see if the thread can survive on itself cause I got tired of bumping if there is no conversation whatsoever in the thread.

not in bed it isn't

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"I'm not good at it so I don't speak while I play tennis."
Those were the given "correct" sentences but to my understanding
Should also work, am I right?

What is this supposed to be? 話せない is "can't speak".

話ません is the polite negative form of 話しさない
Is different from don't speak.
different words buddy

The negative is 話さない and the polite form is 話しません

Ah fuck I see what you mean now. I missed out the し. Yeah it's supposed to be 話しません. Last thread some user told me I can use space bar for IME to convert instead of me hitting f7, I'm hitting spacebar too early so はなし becomes 話 then typing ません afterwards

Yeah, press space after the particle if it's noun+particle, or after the fully conjugated verb.

nice trips

To be more specific, she means that your world you change when you read the book

this is correct but it means "won't speak", if it's "can't speak" it would be 話せない, or 話せません in polite

Forgot to address this. ありません is already a verb, so I don't think it's correct with the です after it.

Yeah, I think you are correct, looking back at previous answers I don't see ありませんです being used.

What is a good children dictionary,with definitions of particles and grammar shit?
Same question for textbooks and study materials aimed at children.
Can this shit be find online for free?

In this context it's not necessarily wrong, but more normally you'd say じゃやないです

hey, so, what the fuck is this kanji? I can't find it.

手

never mind, I found it. It means hand.

Yeah, thanks. so I saw it in the phrase [手に入れた]. How the hell would you even pronounce that? It uses kunyomi right? So it'd be "teniireta"? That means to obtain? That would make sense, because that same phrase shows up every time I open a chest.

Yup. That's a phrase you will see a lot in games.

You playing Zelda? That font looks familiar.

ええ

頑張って！

Your method sounds really interesting, I guess that's a very effective way of learning the language, but it's also fucking hard at the beginning.
I have to admit, grinding the core deck in anki sounds retarded in comparison.

Can you recommend some, or tell me how you decided which one to buy?
Cause half the English Japanese learning books are complete shit and I want to avoid buying trash again.

I ordered a J-J dictionary and I'll definitely try harder than ever to make this work, thanks for the advice user.

I mentioned the one I use here It has all of that stuff.

I don't know. I used other online dictionaries for "hard" words that weren't in the children's dictionary, but a lot of times there were no example sentences, and I don't know if those dictionaries handled particles/grammar stuff either. You have to spend some money to get anywhere in life too, you know. It wouldn't kill you to do a one-time buy from amazon of a dictionary, a kanji book, and a grammar reference or two, unless you're a literal third-world dirt farmer or something.

That's pretty much my reaction to that aspect ratio and scanline filter.

What does this look like?　Is it stuff like this?

バンプ～

I have a question for you who are already fluent in more than one language. How has learning a new language altered your natural inner dialogue? Basically, my mind is a hyper active mess and I have this little fucking monkey that lives inside my brain that never shuts the fuck up and it is very irritating. If you understand that, then how has learning another language, to the point that you fluently monologue without thinking about it, changed this process?

I started reading yesterday, I finished reading the first volume of よつばと today and I understood around 95% of it.
There were 2-3 sentences where even though I got the gist of it, I couldn't really tell what one word or some kana grammar thingy meant.
I was almost fluently reading, of course I had to look up words, especially when they were talking about shit like global warming, but overall not so bad.

I'm not really pleased though, it felt like I didn't really learn that much and I still fucking suck in the grammar department.
Dunno perhaps I should be proud that I could read that without big troubles, but then again it's an incredible easy manga.

About grammar, can someone give me advice on how to learn it and keep it memorized?
I can't into grammar at all, when I learned English I didn't really learn the rules, it just started sounding right or wrong for me.

Your best bet is probably finding grammar books and grinding the exercises

If you did it with English you can probably do it with Japanese too. Obviously you need to know at least a little bit of grammar but I wouldn't sweat it too much as long as you keep listening and reading.

source of the 1st image

Keep reading.

Well there's your answer then.

赤ずきんチャチャ。

That any good? I like the art style, but

いいじゃない
毎日みてOKだよ

rewatched it earlier this year all. first time i watched this was on Cartoon Netwok as a kid. it's as good as i remember it. just take it slow on watching it

CN aired Chacha where you grew up?

yes dubbed in english too

-but cute girls should wear cute things, user. Don't tell me you're not style savvy…!

You have to go back.

Thanks user, I'll check it out. Too bad I can only find hardsubbed .avi files.

It's definitely entertaining.

Oh I remember seeing a webm of these two sluts laughing, and I was wondering what the source was. I guess that answers that.

Are you still going to learn Nipponese, user? Don't quit, you fucking faggot.

BUMP

The thread was already near the top, you バカ.

Yeah? well BUMP anyway. You fags better be studying your kanji, or else

Or else what?

Here's my reps for today. It's kinda fun drawing the more complex kanji.

Or else I'm gonna send this she-demon to haunt your dreams
you have very nice handwriting, user

Oh yeah?

t-thanks user

What is the point of writing all those kanji? Are you just practicing to get better at writing them? I just started learning kanji seriously and I find that remembering the readings is the hard part and writing is pretty easy if you know the radicals except for getting the proportions right.

Well I am learning the meanings as I write them. Plus it helps them stick in my memory so I can recognize them easier.

Remembering the readings is pointless, don't do that.

To be more specific, it's not that remembering them is pointless, but you should learn them through vocab, not each individual kanji reading on its own.

I guess I should just learn words then I guess. Learning readings made more sense to me though because knowing what a kanji could be read as made it somehow more logical when I saw it in a word. Sometimes I get frustrated when I see a word containing 下 and it's one of its 50 billion readings I have never heard before. My stupid 外人 brain doesn't like seeing symbols and not knowing exactly how they're read.

If you see a word you don't know how to pronounce, just look it up. Eventually you'll remember, for example, that 下 is usually pronounced した、げ、or か.

Can anyone recommend me something?

Tae Kim exercises are pretty lame and Genki is for school classes and not really for self studying.
All other books I own have examples but lack exercises.

I recommend erin.ne.jp/ for grammar do it in japanese if you can

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Plenty of languages have more than 3 genders user, German and Russian being good examples. Some languages get even weirder though, some languages have 4+ genders (linguistically called noun classes).

One thing you gotta realize about grammatical gender is it's largely arbitrary, and the longer a language has had the feature the more arbitrary it gets. Many native australian languages have a 4 way split of: Masculine, Feminine, Neuter, and Vegetable. While some things are obvious like men being in the masculine category and women in the feminine, it can often be arbitrary like certain foods will be masculine or certain animals will be in the vegetable gender. Sometimes there are neat etymological explanations, like a word for Boat would be Vegetable because: tree is a plant so it's in Vegetable gender, wood comes from trees so it stays Vegetable, boats are made of wood so by analogy it's also in the Vegetable gender.

If you're more interested there's a book called "Women, fire and dangerous things" you could check out.

No language is "fucked". It simply changes, as all languages have been doing since the first ape muttered the first word. Even languages like Latin and Sumerian took on different spellings and vocabulary over the centuries. Plenty of people in the 1700's would scoff at singular "they" or the loss of the word "whom", yet the planet keeps spinning and people can communicate just fine. If you're interested about language and its affects on thought check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity.

sorry I fucking love linguistics and I can't stand when people are misinformed on it, I wish other people could share the passion

Elaborate. Warning: I'm German.

Not him, but the neutral one?
Also gib help learning german please.

Sorry I meant 2, but depending on how you view it, you could say all nouns are feminine in the plural or that plural is its own separate gender.

Does anyone here know how to hook text from PPSSPP?

I would like to start playing Japanese games and PSP has tons of them and many VNs as well.

The three easy steps of learning German:
1. Be born German
2. Study the rules and pitfalls like an autist
3. Still suck

Shitposting aside, natives aren't a very good source of learning material. Think about it, you never formally learned your mother tongue like you'd learn a foreign language either.

Does linguistics actually conflate gender and number?

That's true, i just have to keep trying.

Alright.

I've learnt about 150-ish words so far, but I only know the Kun yomi of the vast majority of them.

Will Learning the on yomi be any difficult? Should I go out of my way to learn it as I learn the kun, or do I just pick it up as I learn different compound words?

Nigga what are you even doing vocab or a kanji deck?

Aren't they the same thing?

No, not exactly.

Depends on what you're trying to learn. If you want to speak a language "properly" then ya you'd probably stick to grammar books until you get fairly comfortable, but if you actually want to learn to communicate then dive straight in anons. No one fucking says "I would like to purchase this item", they say "I wanna buy this". If you go to any country with only book knowledge of a language you won't understand shit, because people don't speak like in grammar books.

Not "linguistics" but languages do.

We're gonna need a new thread soon. Anyone want to do the honors?

8ch.net/v/res/11270071.html

Done.

Oh, what exactly is the difference?
Because the way things are now, I can read the kanji I know if they aren't in a compound word, or if they are, I can somewhat guess what they're trying to say, but have no clue hwo to pronounce it

What you are doing is learning individual kanji. So you are learning things like 薬 or 話　but not　上着　or 上手. Provided I understand what you were saying correctly.
It may be useful to learn individual kanji, I don't know, but I don't think most people bother learning each individual kanji and their readings.