Pokémon: Sun/Moon & the Future for this Franchise

How do we (or you) fix it, Holla Forums? Further at the very least. I've had this thread before but I've been meaning to add more information to it. I'm looking for the various Interviews with the producers/directors, where they laugh at/brush off the questions about difficulty, content from the older games, and lastly, the battle frontier. I've said this before, the reason the newer Pokemon designs aren't as artistically pleasing, is due to the streamlining and major simplification, not what they are being based on. That being said, the reason this has happened, is due to it most likely being a business decision. They want to have something that's easily marketable and animated quickly, detail has decreased but cosmetic accessories have increased heavily, as always, this isn't always a bad thing, some Pokémon simply look better with it! SOME.

I'm really glad they brought back the Pre-Order bonuses, along with Red/Green, among other characters in SM as well. I'm unsure how they will do due in the long run due to X/Y having an ENTIRELY NEW Pokémon timeline, not to mention, the devs and crew are actually entirely NEW people working on this game, there are some veterans, sure, but everyone who's worked on Pokémon way back in Emerald/DP/P has been replaced for the most part.
Personally, I don't favor it, or the story that comes along with it. It might be due to the piss poor execution of XYORAS though, so I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm positive the new games will fix it up twofold. We've seen Emma back, and it appears she and the new character, Gladion, would have been subjects of experimentation of some sort, It may link with the ultra beasts.


bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Altruis/List_of_Pokémon_by_their_designers
These are the current designers for Gamefreak/Pokémon Company, and all the known Pokémon they've created. List subject to change/increase in the future, if you have any information about what Pokémon was Created/Designed by who, feel free to post it.
>inb4 tentaquil

Here are the designers for Pokémon SAGE, made from a completely different group of people, who have no relationship to Nintendo/Gamefreak.
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It goes to show, that even if a design is simple, it can still be marketable, while having the design be artistically accurate.

Other urls found in this thread:

screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/188922
med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2014/08/new-research-sheds-light-on-how-childrens-brains-memorize-facts.html
supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Wobbuffet
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
mega.nz/#!JZ5RiRgI!LgCdwmME82JFwH8dXZbFIfU9kRdcClX7fyrJm9rbRRU
mega.nz/#!RNBjBByb!hGB717sei74IhbKqxJ7GDtmEFcOgwhWhXBCOzj8LyFo
twitter.com/i597120
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

By the way, here's a small demonstration of said streamlining. Vulpix has noticeably less detail in its ears, paws, mouth, tail, stomach, and pretty much all over. Interesting stuff, really.

screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/188922
Posting what I got too.

>the reason the newer Pokemon designs aren't as artistically pleasing, is due to the streamlining and major simplification
>They want to have something that's easily marketable and animated quickly
>detail has decreased but cosmetic accessories have increased heavily

You're delusional.

It's as if you don't know what cosmetic accessories are, idiot.

For anyone who cares, here's a chart showing which Pokemon can be found at which island in gen 7.

They did a pretty damn good job at picking out what goes where. I'm ok with this! The last island seems to be scarce, it will either be very short, or very long.

I googled it and it means makeup, and I don't see what that has to do with Pokemons of today.

When you are saying "details" you should clarify that you are referring to details taken from animals they are based off of, but that doesn't make animating them any easier if there's less of that around. They are not simplified compared to Gen 1, they just have different details that follow different design trends.

Gen 1 Pokemon are very marketable too, it's like you've forgotten that Pikachu exists.

Atlas fixed it before it existed.

Also
He already got slimmer during Gen 1.

You're forgetting the fact that this is to cater to an entirely new generation, the 'trend' you are talking about IS the simplification I'm referring to, so in that stance, we both right. Also.

Something superficial that is used to cover a deficiency or defect.

adj.
Concerned with or comprehending only what is apparent or obvious; shallow.


I'm honestly unsure where you're coming from in your argument. I'm pretty clear headed about this, the newer pokemon need little trinkets, spikes, appendages, glowing parts, etc to look more palatable to children. This is even more apparent if you compare a Pokemon like Lugia to Mega Raquaza.

To add to it, the older Pokemon are harder for children to remember, due to having more detailed, and being more complicated to draw. Pikipek is simple and it's easier to process for younger people.

Last thing, take note, I am not completely hating on the newer gens as I said in the OP, I'm very open to them, sometimes even biased with them. One of my favorite Pokemon of all time happens to be Darmanitan, and the guy is literally a red ball with stubby legs and long arms.

saging for several self-bumps

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citation needed
Children remember the NEW Pokemon because the NEW Pokemon games need to show all the NEW Pokemon that they have because the NEW Pokemon are the main content of the NEW Pokemon games.

If a child has somehow had no exposure to Pokemon and you gave them any of the older games I'm sure they'd be fine, after all us kiddos back then were just fine with them.

I'll bet my firstborn that if you knew any child that has only had exposure to Pokemon GO, they'd remember most of the Gen 1 pokemon quite well. It's nothing to do with memory, it has to do with marketing a new product, and the designs have nothing to do with it.


The last thread I saw with the exact same images in OP were crusading against them.

Meowth is based off of a maneki-neko, those cat charms you'd find in Japan that are supposed to bring you fortune. Hence it learns payday. It's not a random trinket and it's very iconic.

Many breeds of worms have spikes on their bodies for protection. Weedles' serves as a method for injecting poison. They makes sense unlike the spikes on Lucario or Garchomp.

Electabuzz's antenna ears are subdued and work with the design.

Raichu doesn't look like it has any trinkets, unless you mean the ears or tails. The ears are a bit much but the tail looks like progression of Pikachu's

Don't quite have the sources ready but a lot of the reason why western cartoons are so simply is because it would be easier for children to replicate them in their drawings and therefore take up more headspace.

Can't escape from the genwunners even here.

it's laziness
this doesnt actually exist, it's about attention span and memory retention

Now I know you're biased.


It's plainly nostalgia.


I have time to kill so I'm probably going to do some redesign edits for shits and probably try my hand at different generations too.

Forgot to say, the lack of attention and memory retention from kids nowadays is due to the technology age and rich parents who are too liberal with their caretaking because they think a strict upbringing would make their kids shitty and hateful or something

just play the roblox pokemans games

By the way nignog, the reason the gen 1+2 designs are so simple is because they needed them to work on the GB/C.


Get this nonsense out of your head. Western cartoons are so simple because its cheaper to animate that way since we dont have gook slave labour working 20+ hours a day for a packet of top ramen.

You realize Gen 6 apologists are more of a halfchan thing, right? I never said the old gen was better, Pokemon has always had one problem or another. I'm trying to bring out the best of each side, Hence, why I said "Fix", not "make it like the old one"

Just because someone critizised the new gens, doesn't make them automatically favor the old one. I DO agree that I hate people who relentlessly bash old/new Pokemon JUST for the sake of being old/new.


It didn't apply to Pokemon only, but children and simple shapes and all of that.
med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2014/08/new-research-sheds-light-on-how-childrens-brains-memorize-facts.html
This talks about it somewhat, but it doesn't actually say what I referred to.
I'll put this argument on hold, I actually really need to look for it. It's very interesting stuff, your last post talks about it too. The 'trend' you talked about earlier also has to do with a generational shift, although, it happened so soon in gen to, but nevertheless, you win this round, for now.


I feel like you don't understand the difference between having a detailed, but clean design (Gen 1) and a streamlined, but design heavy on accessories (Gen 4-5). As I said before, there are times where it isn't a bad thing. I personally think Samurott benefits from this.

Look at the Vulpix picture for reference.

What Pokemon Sun/Moon needs is a robust post-game.

Pray to fucking Christ it has one. I hope it has more things than just the battle tree. The game IS /3/ gigabytes after all, nearly twice the memory of X/Y.

I'd say bonus region, but they would of announced it by now to jack up preorders even further.

It's likely just 3D environments. XY/ORAS had the ability to use 3d models, but only show a select portion of the screen. The new camera is more dynamic, thus they need to detail more things we normally wouldn't see.

I also hope to god there's something on top of the battle tree, like the tree is actually the frontier, or maybe smaller islands like sevii islands.

We got Battle Tree, a Battle Royal facility and Join Avenue 2.0 confirmed so far so it's looking better than X/Y already.

woah

its mankey

I'd like them to just trash everything and start again. I don't mind losing my mons for a fresh start. Backwards compatibility is great but it also limits what can be done with the series.

The fuck is wrong with these people?

Jesus fucking Christ, user. It looks like it skinned another Pokemon and wore its corpse as a battle suit.

It looks really good.
funny how a shitpost is doing a better job than gamefreak

And your post is exactly what any genwunner would say when presented with a fake design.

I also liked Ballio, does that make me a Genwunner? Way to strawman user.

It's as if people have preferences or something, wow! Does that exist!? Do preferences exist!? is that possible!? It can't be real, can it!? Is it!?!?

Yes, only genwunners thought Ballio was good.

Then I'm a genwunner for liking all three final evos from SuMo then, lad.

Is Pokemon the only video game for which new fans actively resent old fans?

Nope, there's also Paper Mario, Metroid, Starfox, Final Fantasy, Mega Man, etc.

gj

My favourite gen is 5 and I think Ballio looks good. I like Decidueye too.

Don't kid yourself, genwunners do the same to new fans.

There'll always be some fag that finds something to hate. Old or new.

Shitpost is subjective, you're the one that keeps bawling "genwunner" even though I've stated several times that I have exceptions for newer mons. I'm pointing out that the design process has become somewhat pasty, I love the fuck out of the new starters, and primarina, but sometimes the designs (and the series in general) fails to impress. If you think I'm shitposting because I'm pointing out flaws, then feel free to wallow in your own shit, because I won't take part in that kind of discussion.


I wish Ballio would have been canon, Branching starter evos would have been fucking bomb, especially making Primarina and Ballio breed, then having a female popplio with improved stats learn a move only available through breeding, vice versa.


Sadly, I'm open to constructive criticism though. I just don't like people going "NO U!!"

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Of course, unfortunately, a lot of these things are beyond our control.

Popplio is the clear choice.
Decidueye is loved by Reddit and is silly, so he gets discounted. I mean, remember you have to deal with the 1s and 2nd stage before you get the final evo, which might be 20 hours but probably 10, so you have to enjoy them.
Luchakitten is gone as well, as he looks like a shitty, unproportioned machooe with fire in his veins.

Popplio line is the best at all stages
Decidueye will probably get more porn than waifubait.
Gay porn.

I've only said Genwunner twice while you're here making a thread wanting to compile information about why modern designs pale in comparison to old designs.

Popplio? More like POOPlio! LOL!!!!
Jokes aside, I would prefer Tony the Tiger because I fucking love Luchadors, but he would get the catshit beaten out of him by pusyseal. The owl in turn, would get the owl shit beaten out of it, by the cat, I'm unsure how ghost does against fairy though.


You're saying that as if it was a problem, I just want a bridge between the two, Hoenn came closest with what I've wanted, while I'm not a big fan of that region; it managed to accomplish something believable, while still diving into the realm of fantasy. You're here getting flustered over someone wanting to make the best of both worlds. I love the new designs because they are colorful and eye grabbing, but I love the older designs because they are more detailed and life-like. Once again, I'm unsure what type of argument you're trying to make. I feel as if you're bothered that I didn't make it more it obvious enough in the OP that I don't have one solid preference.

I don't care about the designs, I just want actual content backl

You're right. I'd be super happy with another heartgold.

gee golly gee willikers

but haxorus was good enough they said

You have shit taste famalam, Primarina is bland as shit. Literally boring compared to Archer Owl and Heel Tiger.

Burn it all down. It passed the point of saving with gen VI and just keeps on heading into further retardation with gen VII.

The only way to fix it now is to start over again.

modern paper mario has fans?

How to fix?
1. Remove digivolutions.
2. Remove fusion digivolutions.
3. Get rid/nuke 90% of the autist fanbase
4. Go back in time and prevent Gen 3 and Gen 5 from existing.
5. Give the games post-elite 4 shit that actually matters and isn't pseudocompetitive piece of shit.
6. Stop pretending there is a way to jave balanced competitive.
7. Kill. Smogon. Autists.

You're autistic as fuck. New Pokemon designs aren't any different from older ones. Why do Holla Forumsedditors prove every time they have no idea what they're talking about when they say anything about Pokemon?

Sure smells like cuckchan in here.

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We cant, were not Game Freak/The Pokemon Company. Its out of our control.

The thing one thing i very strongly dislike about the newer games (gen 6 and 7) is how few new monsters are introduced. I DO like the "regional variants" concept from gen 7.

Get fucked genwunners

You forget these people don't actually play the games, they just idly absorb as little as possible to pass as "fans" while idolizing the few Pokemon they like out of nostalgia.

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You done yet autists?

look at how detailed pidgeys feathers are
new monsters are too clean looking

sage

I skimmed that mess of an OP twice and still don't understand what you're asking. The new games look promising enough, let me know when the cartridge gets dumped.

I'd imagine they are beginning to run out of ideas, unless they decide to make more abstract pokemon.

This is some incredible autism, my god.

There's SMT as well.

cant they just look at wikipedia to find animals they havent done yet?
like an atlas beetle holding a celestial sphere with its horns or a scarab that rolls around a sun.
or a goose barnacle evolving into a barnacle goose.
bug/dragon pink dragon millipede.
a fire/ice penguin based on the antarctic volcano mt. erebus.
i dont think we have sundew or bladderwort as carnivorous plant monsters either. Or a zoophagus mushroom that hunts with lasso-like hyphae.
And thats just ideas from nature. Theres lots of objects that could be used as tsukumogami as well.

to run out of ideas for pokemon is being too lazy to use fucking wikipedia.

but that would require effort user

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WHAT DID YOU DO!? YOU MADE IT WORSE.

They did that, and made the ugliest pokemon to date. It looks less like a barnacle, and more like a shitty megaman ripoff. funny, because the guy who made this mod DID design megaman enemies

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It's a punching bag, user.

but its pre evo is not a goose retard

Forgot to post this yesterday, but as I said, Pokémon has always had its fair share of problems in every. single. gen.
I ask people how you can make the best region possible, and some of you sperg out and throw the word "autist" around, possibly referring and replacing the word passionate, because you don't know any better. I don't want a competitive game, I just want a cleanly optimized game with adventure and super nice looking mons. Autistic is used by people who can't make a proper argument, nor are able to accept that someone feels a different way, which ironically in itself, may be actual autism in itself.

God damn it. I laughed harder at this than I expected.

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do you still not understand?

supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Wobbuffet

I want to fuck brionne

Do you think next gen there is gonna be a yiff bait grass starter whose second evo is more popular? First braixen and now brionne.

It should have stayed forgotten because most of those are non-problems

That's YOUR /opinion/ though, bootlicker.
It's as if subjectivity isn't a thing!

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Not an argument.

same to you

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Apparently it's going to have an evolution called "Drizzly" or some shit like that.

No, it isn't.

I fucking hope not. You never know though, cross your fingers and hope they don't evolve it. Some Pokémon simply don't need evolutions. Unless it's Dunsparce to Drampa

user the entire Alola dex got leaked already.

Was expecting that to only be the Demo Dex. That's a damn shame/relief then.

The niggers of the Pacific are the fucking Papuans.

Not only that, but nigger oak is his brother.

Even back on cuckchan, half of Pokemon Sage's deck looked pretty good.


Logic dictates your pic is gonna happen with Sun/Moon.
I hope it doesn't but if reviews say it does, I'm not buying.

Bullshit, when I got into pokemon I was fucking 7. Trying to draw pokemon as the looked and not like shit actually encouraged me to get better. Telling kids that if they can't do something as well as adults then it's okay don't try is fucking retarded. Also, if kids have "trouble" remembering pokemon it's probably because there are nearly a thousand of them as opposed to the 151 originally, especially since each gene has its generic role fillers (how many starter birds and rodents do we need?).

This is also the same excuse for dumbing down the games, "it's for kids". Well I was a kid and I beat the original games so if kids today can't do beat them it's because they're 1. Objectively less intelligent than previous generations or 2. They're so used to dumbed down games they don't want to have to actually try. Making games easier will not help. I also think it might be part of the mainstreamness of games now, before anyone who got into video games either had to tough it out or just not bother, but now everyone is catering to the mass market casuals. It's pretty sad.

As far as design goes I don't mind complexity. I prefer well thought out designs though. For example Combee and Vespiquen have 3 distinct parts to them because real bees are 3-segmented. For a bad example, Gallade has massive hips for no reason.
There are a few things I'd change, but the only one I can think of right now is to untruncate pokemon names. The name char limit is 12 but we still have a pokemon called Feraligatr

I fucking love vespiquen.


I agree, I was about to say you contradicted yourself, but we seem to take the same side to this. It's going to differ from generation to generation.

Papua isn't in the Pacific it just borders it

Border?

I just want more mystery dungeons

Honestly Australia should put up a huge border in the Torres Straight

The dancing bird and the mimic are some of the only good pokemon designs this generation. Only the Muk and Raichu Alolan forms are any good. But you'll suck gamefreaks cock anyway because there's a slutty mermaid and a fursuit wrestler.


Holy shit that looks great.

No its really not and more and more people are waking up to Pokemon shit designs.
Amazing how far people will go to defend this shit.

Werent there entries that were simply replaced with pikachus in the data though?

If not I really fucking hope they do a Delta episode kind of thing that adds not only more areas but more pokemon or Aloa forms.

You mean like Gen 5?

Think someone will crack the preload key/seed before the official release? I don't believe the demo had all the new pokemon; weren't Rockruff and the starters supposed to share a secret, or was that just unconfirmed rumors?

I think this was mentioned in one of the CoroCoro scans when Rockruff was first revealed.

There are no bad Pokemon designs, no generation was shit, and every Pokemon game was a good game. Try getting some taste sometime, you no fun kike.

Man, this fandom is firing in all directions, isn't it?


The only people I don't see shitting on each other are people who prefer sinnoh and johto, maybe because they don't exist
This may be telling me that Pokémon may be the most divisive fandom yet, and I'm part of it. Let bagons be bagons I guess.

How dare you conform to a different standard than us!? Don't you know that's out of character for Holla Forums!? ALL OF US ARE BITTER, HATEFUL CUNTS, YOU GOON!!!!!

I respectfully disagree
There are no 'bad' Pokémon games per say, but they can definitely fall under mediocre, like X/Y, in my opinion. I loved the engine, but at times it felt so damn unoptimized and the chibi models strained me so damn much. Not to mention, Lumiose, the biggest city in the game, looked bland, dead and colorless, Thankfully that is fixed in gen 7

I feel as if the amount of trash, crime, niggers and Muslims in France really killed Gamefreaks inspiration, That and the time restraints for importing/converting everything to 3D, it was a HUGE overhaul

If that's the case, then I'm sorry gamefreak, I understand your pain. I'll forgive you., I won't give you money, but I'll forgive you

Nice try.

OP Here
I'm OK with it

Still fucking salty that X/Y didnt turn out to be as good as I wanted it to be. I've always seen France in such high regard. Then when the games came out, I got so excited, especially after hearing Lysandres theme and Route 15. I was thinking it might be the best Pokémon game yet, but it dragged and dragged, and it never truly became interesting or picked up, other than the haunted route or the fairy gym. That was my favorite part in the entire game.

It wasn't ice cream, though. It was an icicle that had snow compounded ontop of it AND ice cream in the Pokemon universe was then based off of it.
also
it's shit, user, get over it.

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it's been 5-6 years since BW user, give up.

You shut your whore mouth, ice cream has existed for thousands of years.

It's kinda ugly looking without snow. I was expecting it to be real ice cream. Now I'm kinda sad, but if it WAS actually ice cream. It would easily be Fairy type as well

It looks like a blue dick

But they keep defending it!

Also just for you, this was my version of the Galvantula. I just liked the other dudes one.

No, the real disappointing part of the Vanillite line is how the shiny isn't other kinds of ice cream. But shinies are usually all disappointing.

Fuck you, you just gave me something new to be disappointed about.

Fuck off, Galvantula looks fine and gen 5 was the best generation.

Gen 5.5 (B2W2) was tbh

Also

>not fixing every problem you have with pokemon by playing tabletop games

I'm not autistic, I'm sorry.

Sure thing, buddy.

I always kind of found pokemon tabletops to be redundant. Might as well just use a damage calculator.
Maybe really hot fire?

Trainers can't fight in the games, though. Nor does any tactical ability come into play either. Or playing with your friends.

Well if I was autistic I would hate different Pokemon games because they didn't conform to my autistic mindset, while crying over "overdesigned Pokemon", and I would jerk off constantly to Pokemon porn. But I don't.

Well that comes down to how you construct your encounters. You can have PvP or teams going 2v2/3v3. Trainers should probably not be fighting against fire breathing monsters.


There's no need to lie on an anonymous image board.

Rocruff has two different evos, isn't that the secret?


The really missed out a lot of good opportunities. Why wasn't there a wine bottle pokemon for example? They could also have made a lot of hints to possible new areas, like historical themes of war with not-Britain and not-Germany, complete with things like a not-Maginot Line fortress dungeon.
Also, they should've fucking made Monaco a post-game area connected by train full of casinos and battle tower shit.


Call me back when they make suitable, in-scale plastic models of all pokemon so you can pit armies of them against each other.

Pretty confident that was a mistranslation, but I've got nothing to back it up.

That's the funniest shit I've heard all day.

Ten year old kids…

Have you ever played a tabletop game in your life? You don't have to be ten. Use your imagination.


You too, jesus christ, just buy 150 chinese plastic knockoffs for like, ten bucks or something.

The secret is Lycanroc has two forms: Midday (Sun) and Midnight (Moon).

Actually it's a misunderstanding of the translation. Basically in English when you hear "my two friends share a secret", you automatically assume they share the same secret. In Japanese, the phrase means that your friends have secrets, but they are different secrets. Bottom line, if you don't know Japanese translations are confusing as fuck.

The fuck are you talking about? I'm talking kids in universe shouldn't be fighting fire breathing monsters.

Yeah, you don't have to play as a kid, dipshit.

Honestly, if I could find the whole damn pokemon range in 28mm I probably would make a skirmish game out of it or something. Maybe if I get a 3d printer sometime, would be a neat way to trick unsuspecting normalfags into the slippery slope into miniature games hell.

You could probably just rip the models from Sun and Moon and throw them into Tabletop Simulator.

That doesn't sound like pokemon at all.

But you play as teenagers in the current games.

You'll get it when you're an adult.
Goodnight everybody!

Good news on the Mega Evolutions then. It looks like Sun and Moon isn't adding any new Megas, and while the game is gonna bring Megas back, they're overshadowed by Z-Moves.

To top it off, Mega Evolutions are now banned in VGC.

You're purposefully dense, adults can be pokemon trainers too.

Holy shit.


I agree so damn much. I have high quality expectations, but the low standards, common shitwad won't understand what it's like to have taste (and respect) for something you want to indulge in.
X/Y was the biggest disappointment next to ORAS, the mons themselves are fine though, for the most part. It's the region (and timeline reboot) itself that shit the bed and ruined my overall experience. Not to mention the most mediocre soundtrack in Pokémon History and annoying fucking yesman tier rivals. There are only about 5 good songs in there. Damn shame, brother, damn shame.

I'm blaming multiculture and the stagnation of (((France))) for ruining their artistic vision, I don't think they're bad devs, it just didn't sit right with them this time. France has changed a LOT since the 90's/early 2000's. Thankfully, Sun/Moon looks infinitely more promising.

Do you ever play as one?

Why would multicult shit ruin the devs' vision though? It's not like they couldn't just look up kikepedia or a history book or something to supplement whatever disappointment they got from trips they took to Paris.

I so hope it was a demo dex that they've placed in such a way that we think its the whole thing.

I mean, if they placed everything normally, we'd think it was too easy. By leaking through shinies, we think we know it all, then bam, they give us maybe 50 new ones.

I'm kidding, they're not that clever.

Isn't the city name from the demo the Hawaiian word for white nigger?

No, that's some bullshit Holla Forumstards made up because the words for "Joy" and "white nigger" are pretty close in terms of spelling but not really on pronounciation, no different from bigger and nigger, chink and think, gringo and bingo, etc

hahaha
no
its a 128 bit key, so 2 ^ 128 = 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 possible keys
Number of seconds in one Year = 365 days x 24 hours x 60 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,536,000

Lets say you can test 10 BILLION keys per second, every second for a year…
(not exactly sure how many keys you could test per second, but lets say 10 billion per second)
31,536,000 x 10,000,000,000,000 = 315,360,000,000,000,000 keys per year per computer.

340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 keys total (2 ^ 128)
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,315,360,000,000,000,000 keys checked per computer per year
(I've added leading zeros to show the huge difference between the numbers)

Lets say you can find the key after trying 50% of them, that is still
170,141,183,460,469,231,731,687,303,715,884,105,728 keys.

God damn; here's hoping through some miracle that there is a difference between the demo dex and final dex. I really wanted the starters to have a midnight and midday form.

I was really hoping that Nidoking would get some cool shit this time around. I guess I'll keep waiting.

In your heart of hearts you know full well that GF is not going to have actually good ideas.

I'm the GM, so sometimes, yes.

Nidoking is already pretty cool, what else could they do to make him cooler?

Give him a better physical move pool. A 10 point increase in Base Attack and most people still use Special Nidoking.

They're probably saving them for the next generation. You know how they always hold back. ;-;

You have to take note that being there in person is MUCH different than looking at it from a glorified angle. When you expect to see a grassy terrain but instead see a dead field, it really kills it for you. There is a syndrome for it as I remember.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

It might explain why all of gen 6 was subpar. I'm usually the type of Nintendrone to kiss ass, but this is leaving me dumbfounded!
I wonder what mega evolution was inspired by, and why did they even need to have an entirely new timeline.

>The condition is commonly viewed as a severe form of culture shock. It is particularly noted among Japanese travelers.

Gamefreak confirmed for having crushed dreams and hopes.

I'm still stunned that people for a long ass time thought the 'leaked' final evos were real.
Are the designs good? Yes, except for the fire one.
Is the artstyle any similar to previous pokemon artstyles? Fuck no, and that's where you dumb fucks should be looking at. I know nothing about art and even I could tell they were fakes.
We'll be having this discussion until the end of time though, as long as they keep pumping out pokemon games. Always fake leaks people want to desperately believe are true, but look nothing like usual pokemon art and designs.

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Honestly. I thought it was fake the second I saw the cat, it didnt sit right with me. Ballio looked legit as fuck though, he reminded me of Empoleon/Greninja due to his color scheme and groovy as fuck design.

I wish I could have both Brionne and Ballio on my party, they'd be a power couple, one being Water/Fairy and the other being Water/Fight. Ah..

Jesus fuck.

mega.nz/#!JZ5RiRgI!LgCdwmME82JFwH8dXZbFIfU9kRdcClX7fyrJm9rbRRU

Here's the Demo Soundtrack.

I like the 4th pic, rest are trash fakes.

At first the orange geodude line seemed fucking retarded, but then I did some research, and apparently some of the Hawaiian islands have orange clay and dirt

It's the damnest fucking thing when a Pokemon's opinion changes for you after you do research on it.

Guys, I just payed $600 for an advance copy of Pokemon Moon from some guy on Twitter.
I've completed all trials/captains, and am about to capture Lunala.

AMA.

You can't capture UBs, but you can tame them. They become weaker and have model changes, but defeating them in the first place it a bit hard, they're damage sponges.

What does mimikyu evolve into, if it even does?

No evo, but hinted that it's Marshadow. Similar to Carbink and Diancie.

How much post game content is there?

Wouldn't know, I'm at the very end of the main storyline. The Battle Tree they announced is a bit like the Frontier, but I'm not far into it, but there very well may be more "facilities" as you get further into the story.

Should note, not going to post pics, as then Nintendo might take action. I'll talk about anything I've played, and then upon reveal, I can just say I was lucky with my roleplay predictions :^)

Is there swimwear available to buy for both characters?

If you have $600 to spend on an ISO, you have a phone. Take a picture of the game running with the pokedex open, highlighting whatever number 12 is in the national dex. Failure to do to proves you're full of shit which you obviously are anyway.

Kill yourself.

Kind of.
You can buy swimwear, but it's mostly just colour/design changes, the model is the same. I've got a male character, so can't tell if it's the same for females, but I'd guess so.
Also, you can't wear the swimwear about like an idiot in the middle of a volcano/frozen mountain peak, but you do wear it when on a PokeRide in the water eg Sharpedo/Lapras.

Don't know if there's another place you wear it.

I should note, I'm on a 2DS, and this runs and looks really nice. I'm sure the N3DS would be better, and the XL might be a bit grainy due to upscaling resolution. Honestly, this game would look amazing in Citra, as Citra allows for true HD with the high-quality models, like XY.

Cool, disregard and sage then, see if I care. I'm not bumping for myself, and as you can see, not many people care, so I just keep playing while checking in every 5-10 min.

I come back to my thread and return to THIS!?

Go to halfchan and tell them, they'll be more inclined to believe you. People here (including) myself are always on our toes and doubtful with this kind of thing
Don't take it too personally

Please don't do this.

I'm not in the mood to tell him to fuck off
I'm basically telling him that though

It's no different than recommending suicide.

Nah man, those nerds already have the place shitted up with guys claiming they have it, while posting shitty photoshop jobs, while SciresM yells at them to dump various things.

This place is my stomping ground. Anyways, finished capping Lunana. Shitty cutscene, I get a look from Lillie, so I guess I'm in.


Completely different. After all, suicide is painless.

So what's your bullshit excuse for not uploading the iso for the dataminers? You afraid they're actually nintendo informants and they'll send the yakuza after you?

If I had an .ISO file to upload, I would in a heartbeat, dearie.

The united states has to choose between a greedy tycoon and a supervillain for president. Stranger things have happened.

I literally saw the tweet about some fag claiming he had an ISO and would sell it for $600 about an hour ago. You trying to imply that's not where you got this idea from?

I think you might be on the wrong chan, friendo.

Just take a picture, and remove any location tags and shit. Don't be a gay.

He's the lesser of two evils. Which isn't hard considering.

Well, again, if I had an ISO, I would upload one, but I don't. If you want me anyone to upload an ISO, you will be waiting until hell freezes over. And yes, I did buy it from that guy on Twitter. There's apparently one guy who bought Sun from him as well, not sure how much.


I'll be as gay as I want, thank you very much.

If no one actually has questions, I'll be off.

I have one. Does Incineroar have a decent hidden ability?

It's literally a fucking 3DS/CIA/ROMFS/.CXI/.BIN FILE.

HOLY SHIT. YOU JUST DEBUNKED YOURSELF, STUPID MOTHERFUCKER. Get the fuck out of this thread, you shitty troll.


B-But muh gibs

user, I think most people just wanted to believe purely out of how awesome that design was compared to the trash that is 99% of fakemon. Even outside of the context of pokemon that design was pretty fucking rad.

Wouldn't know, went with Popplio and haven't had a chance/inclination to power breed. I also just want to play the game without cheating until I've at least 95%'d it.


I did say I wouldn't upload a .ISO file. I clearly cannot, as I do not have one, I have a .CIA file. Don't get pissy at me for using the correct terms for things. And no, not uploading the .CIA either. Do I sense the words of an user who would get upset over things such as, say, Fallout 4 spoilers? Because that's how you're typing you mongoloid.


I don't get the appeal of Murderclown. It looks so out of place, and I don't know how it would move. How could that thing walk out of water?

Murderclown was just awful. It was all lopsided and needlessly pointy, something that people complained about in previous gens.

90% sure that there's some CFW that can easily copy the game to the SD.

I'm retarded and it's late. I haven't fucked around with 3ds all that much so I'm not used to CIAs being a thing yet.

Do you ever stop sucking cocks?

Oh, I could easily dump the game with Decrypt9, and I could also upload the .CIA I already used to install. I don't care what you think, to be honest. The reason I said I'd upload the .ISO is because it doesn't exist as, nor could I, get it into as .ISO format. Well, I probably could burn it as a disc, but that's stupid. I was just making a joke at user's expense.

How would magikarp walk out of water? It's fucken pokemon.

The difference is that Magikarp is entirely aquatic. The Murderclown was based on a seal, but the design doesn't look like it would work in or out of water.

Mostly the feet. It looked so strange. And for Magikarp, he's always on his side, flopping, splashing about, so he clearly is not designed for walking, but is not depicted to be. I don't want a 10ft clown/dolphin to be flopping sideways like one of Di Caprio's French girls.

There's also the fact that its flippers don't seem capable of functioning as flippers.

What the hell were they thinking with this Sun & Moon? It's like the orange league made canon. The legendaries look terrible, the moon one being the worst of all. Oh and the gangsta antagonists in muh pokefantasy hawaii.

The anime is fucked too. It might as well have ended after Kalos.

This is the opposite of a problem.
nah
So?
WHY DO YOU WATCH IT

Then why do we have untrabeast balls in the demo and gamefreak said you could

I think most people realized they are fake. They just came to the conclusion leaks were good, so they wanted them to be real, as ones made by Gamefreak will be shit.
I was one of them.

AHEM.

By cartoon/fiction physics basically.
Hed walk on the "tailfins"(feet) like the spongebob fish people.


its a psychic-type, it can probably float (its previous form did)

Damn. You're right, just looked at the anime.

I got simple but effective idea, have Ballio be able to separate his legs. Easy win.

I'm kind of sad SAGE isnt accepting any more mon ideas.

What if Ballio crawled? He's got arms like trunks.

Man Ballio only stands to punch the shit out of you or throw a fucking ball of water to your stupid skull.
He most likely moves using the butterfly swimming style, but adapted slightly to use on dry earth.
Picture that thing galloping at you propeled by those fuckhuge arms.

I missed the slowpoke event, did they give something?

This guy is also so fun to draw.
What a missed chance.

Anyone one picked up a Genesect code yet from gamesstop?

Step up Gamefreak

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Calling it now, odd numbered generations will be sequels, like BW1/2, and they will have regional forms.

Even numbered generations will be remakes. Otherwise, they'll go too fast and there will be too many rehashes of gens to manage.

I fully expect Pokemon to last until at least generation 15. Probably not though, as there's too many Pokemon even now. 1000 will be so fucking many

Oh, and there's a new faggot on Twitter who posted a few minutes ago that he is getting a copy off a mate who works a store and will be uploading gameplay soon-ish.

Won't link his Twitter, because he's probably doing it for attention.

Actually it very much is, and you're retarded.

Still not an argument.

DON'T
;-;

When can I have another Mystery Dungeon?

You guys get a new regular Pokemon game ;_;

Did you already Play Red, Explorers of Sky and Super Mystery Dungeon?

We just had Super Mystery Dungeon user.

Dat song. Gladion HAS to be plot important with a personal song like that. I'm even more convinced he's the "foe" rival.

ballio will always be in our hearts

I have yet to play Explorers or Gates to Infinity, but I heard bad things.

I'd like another Super, I liked it very very much

Just play Explorers, it's what Platinum is to Diamond/Pearl, what Emerald is to Ruby/Sapphire, etc.
Infinity is a little lackluster, but it isn't 'bad', just mediocre. I'd like another Super too, user.


He honestly is the best fakemon I've seen in a long time, and I'm the type of person who NEVER gives a shit about fakemon.


He is, he's an experiment
along with emma.

I would really enjoy them putting more evolution into the story itself. Super was a step in the right direction but the evolutions were only temporary. I'd like a permanent evolution mid-late game and having characters react to it in different ways.

Like allies thinking you're cooler or stronger, past enemies now more scared of you etc.

Similar to Paper Mario, where enemies run away from you if you become stronger, correct? I'd like that.

mega:///#!RNBjBByb!hGB717sei74IhbKqxJ7GDtmEFcOgwhWhXBCOzj8LyFo
Here's the full soundtrack, user.
The source files are 24kHz, but it's still really good.

What do I do with that code, tripsman

mega.nz/#!RNBjBByb!hGB717sei74IhbKqxJ7GDtmEFcOgwhWhXBCOzj8LyFo
Whoopps.

It's tagged btw

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This is the future of things. They run out of energy, there is no life in them anymore, they look dead, but they just keep going somehow, and never stop.

Disregard this. I'm retarded.

Tripfag on /vp/ has advance copy of Moon and is posting images right now.
Another guy on Twitter has posted his own images and says dumping/uploading within the next few hours

I'll just start posting the images from both, see what you think. Don't bully about being on cuckchan, I was only visiting because someone mentioned the images.

He's on 11.2 without CFW like a fag, so he can't dump it and isn't willing to post images of the cart.

Finally, he mentioned that you get a certain key item early on. Like, 30 minutes in or something, apparently.

It's the EXP Share. Works the same as Gen 6.

It's fucked

You can always turn it off, but still, pretty shitty.

Gonna make a twitter acc and ask the fag on Twitter if he's dumping Sun or Moon, or both.

twitter.com/i597120
Only tweet I made, he was online in the last hour, so we'll see.

XP Share was always in the game, Gen 6 just made it not retarded.

Don't use it if you don't want to.

>Experience Share
Ah, yes, I see. Totally not retarded.

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He's right though, the older EXP share shared EXP, both pokemon would get half and in gen 1 all your pokemon would get a sixth of the EXP, in gen 6 all pokemon got a half so 350% of the EXP's being given as opposed to 100%. The new experience share materializes EXP. points out of nowhere

I didn't understand that this was the issue you that some of you guys were having.

You're right, they should call it something else. Multi Trainer or something.

It worked the exact same way in gen 6.

That's what he said, dipshit. Learn to read.

Your reading comprehension is off, that's exactly what he said. He mentioned new in regards to something else.

Never make fun of anyone for playing on EZmode ever again.

It's a trivial game and it always has been, that's what I meant in my first post

But being trivial doesn't mean that it's not tedious. New EXP Share does wonders for removing that tedium.

It doesn't matter if there's 100 things you can do to make the game easier if you don't have to use them. Do a Nuzlocke for your first game, you have the power.

Why not?

t. Kotaku

p.s. How about that NieR cinematic mode, eh?

What kind of argument is this and why is it the only one anyone ever makes in response to how piss easy the games have gotten?

They must be video game journalists.

NO POST-GAME
NO BUY

For fuck's sake.

Pokemon is the most casual fucking game in existence to just play normally.

It is designed to be played and beaten by children. It is not challenging or difficult. It is an easy game by definition.

It becoming even easier is the more likely outcome. And amazingly, that's what happened.

You have the ability to make it more difficult by ignoring the vast majority of the things that make the games easier.

What are you even complaining about?

In what was is this different?
All I've seen is faggots whining that they made a stupid fucking choice, rolled the game in EZmode, and then thought it was "too easy". In every other franchise, you fuckers get laughed at. Why not here?

Since no one has called OP a massive faggot for this shit I guess it's up to me.

Fuck right off you massive faggot and take your cancerous pre-order bullshit with you.

I turned the EXP share off.

Want to know why I dislike it so much? Because it ruins all competitive modes. Sure, I spent 50 hours breeding and training a perfect team, but then the next game is made easier so anyone can do it.

I don't mind it being easier for the kids, that's understandable, but making it easier for everyone, and almost being forced, is completely different.

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In what franchise do people who laugh at fags who play on easy mode get laughed at?

There are cunts on /vp/ bitching that people shouldn't and that insist to wait. They're also posting how they are afraid of hacking. It's literally worse than Reddit at this point.

You faggots and your "muh expshare" are EZmode, not the other way around. Every user with half a brain played without.

JUST

Gross. Is there at least new info being posted there regarding the leak?

Listen to yourself, user.

The guy you're responding to doesn't like the EXP Share. Are you illiterate?


Just had a peek, it seems not. I'll recheck in 5 min. They have an active board, and it makes me sad.Well, I would be sad if the constant posts were any good.

Professor Pericles!

As far as I'm concerned, the only people who could possibly be upset about the EZshare are people who used it and their "game experience ruined" by it.
I know who I'm replying to any why, you're generally clueless.
The only pokemon game I can remember being harder than X/Y is Platinum and that's just because of what sorts of pokemon gen 4 introduced.

NEW PHOTOS COMING THROUGH. IT'S THE NAME OF PIKIPEK'S EVO
STILL NO LEAK

oh lord

I don't even have a 3DS. Try harder.

Nobody will crack it but it is highly likely a review copy will be leaked in the next few days, as has been the case for every major 3DS release since VFD.

I'm still in shock that it got this bad so quickly. Sure, /vp/ was always a shit board but goddamn, they're literally freaking out over the tiniest of assumptions.

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Oh boy I can't wait

Are you?

10 second old pic coming through

I really don't care for the names.

Melemele? I mean, it's something new, I guess. Never hurts to get kids to experience new cultures and ideas.

Learning is fine, forced assimilation is different.

Okay, the guy leaking images has decided to stop, and in a few hours will be dumping a bunch of photos at once instead.

I'd rather have a CIA, but oh well.

If it's a review cart, I wouldn't want the .cia. I'd wait for a retail dump in case there's certain thing implemented to stop reviewers leaking, like identifiers.

There are people promising dumps in the coming hours, but the guy with these images says he's on 11.2 without CFW.

I wonder what the differences are then. Maybe it stops at a certain point in the game?

I guess patience is a virtue.

Oh no, it would be the full game, but there might be something like each reviewer has a hardcoded ID/SID, or pixels are changed so if you post pics, they can tell by the differences.

Oh boy can't wait for autists to cry about it over and over again

Funny you mention that because the Exp. All in Gen 1 was supposed to work EXACTLY like the Exp. Share in Gen 6. However much like everything else in Gen 1, it was glitched to shit.

Well, fixing something 17 years later after everyone was happy with the bug seems a tad off.

I bet 75-90% of this board have played Pokemon, and I don't think many of them, nor any kids when I was growing up, ever said "Gee, I wish this EXP Share was party-wide". They just thought that's how it was and rolled with it.

Did they ever say why they set their date so far back?

I assume the person is just lazy and pressed next when the 3DS was first activated.

First image I posted was his home screen. Looks pretty new to me, so guessing he cleansed it in case there were eshop titles nintendo could see/check against.

Who makes these videos? I've seen them before and had a chuckle.

aww that sucks

Well for starters: who the fuck ever used it?

Demolition D

Everyone used the EXP share. Every single kid would powerlevel their starter to 100 while everything else was level 50, then use it to power level their lower pokemon while not ever changing out the starter, while spamming potions and max revives. Don't lie, everyone under 10 did it.


I don't even like anime. Thanks.

ITT: Tedium = Legitimate difficulty

Because killing the same pokemon more times over in your grinding spots added a sense of difficulty in the game.

Nope
Not everybody is as stupid as you

Nobody was claiming anything like that, you dumb shit. Knock that shit off.

o-oh sorry…but why else would anyone complain about the exp share? i won't press on any further after this question

You're asking the wrong guy considering I have never used any variant of the Exp Share.

Because when I used it for Y and kept mostly the same party, I was over level 80 by the time I beat the champion. The highest level pokemon she has is 68. It's not particularly fun if you one hit everything. Which is why when Moon rolls around, I'm keeping three teams on rotation so their levels are appropriate for the segment of the game at hand. If it worked for Alpha Sapphire, I see no reason why it won't work here.

With EXP share enabled I assume? Seems like an interesting idea, might give that a shot.

Didn't XY have horrible level pacing to begin with? Isn't that beyond the EXP share? I remember being level 30 at the second gym..

With EXP share enabled, yes. I thought it was a pretty good move, as it let me use pokemon that I usually don't put in my party for whichever reason, and when it came down to the elite four, I picked two from each team to finish it.

SON OF A BITCH. I CAN'T UNSEE

The thing is, he doesn't even have to dump the full game. He only has the fetch the 16kb seed file from the cartridge via FBI and then the available (encrypted) copies would unlock. Someone tell him this, I don't have a twitter and refuse to go to halfchan

He doesn't even need CFW. Pic related.

You're the gay who likes arab dick. I remember you.

That guy ain't Arab though, he's a spic.
Pic related is maybe Arab

wtv you say mudraker. Just remember, There is a powerful arab leader in fallout 4

Damn it I laughed

Motherfucker don't you know that Ken Sugimori is still the main artist and director on these games.

Is almost as if people grew up. Did you expected his artwork to remain the same for 20 years?

Would you call Akira Toriyama's artwork cal arts too? Since now is far simpler and more round.

Fuck you people. What the fuck do you asshole know about art.

New leaks

The fish changes stats during battle.

what the fuck is that?

I assume the item to use the 'generic' water Z-move.

All I care about is whether the post game will be as good as platinum's if not better.

Oh lord, the thread on halfchan /vp/ got deleted. I didn't get to save the picture of the in-battle stats of Wishiwashi.

oh I totally forgot about the z-moves

Images, not thread, my bad.

It did get deleted now.

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Since the thread is autosaging anyway I'm just uploading them here as they come out.

Aren't birds and archers supposed to be, you know, quick?

Yeah, what's funny is that it's the second fastest in the leaker's team.