Mahjong

Imagine playing Rummy but with 14 cards. Make trips and sequences with a pair to cap it off.

And remember that certain patterns, like having a straight from 1~9 in a single 'suit', result in more points.

Then just watch what other people are throwing away and be careful not to play into their hand. Sometimes you might notice that someone potentially has a great hand and another not so much – so it can be a strategy to play into the shit hand to end the game early and not get fucked so hard.

In a way like Poker you kinda just have to know what scores what, which tends to come from playing and learning but keeping a score sheet handy doesnt hurt.

don't be so mad that you never got to have fun in your life.

Get cancer and die

ur mean ):

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Holy shit that's perfect.

2edgy

thanks for the pdf majanon

I learned with this tutorial, it's quite a amusing, but i realy only play for the "rewards" so once i beat a game the is not much replay value for me

oops i missed the tutorial link

mahjonginmame.com/

Bane ?

Stupidity aside, I bet you can't even clear dragon in mahjong titans.

try this one guys

that's shangai

a fuck i meant to reply to

Can you do a three-in-a-row with Dragons/Winds, or are they three-of-a-kind only?

I'm bored as shit. Got a mahjong eroge to recommend?

Three of a kind only.

The yaku are mainly what fuck me up, I regularly think I have a valid hand in tenpai, get my winning tile and don't get a button to call tsumo/ron. Keeping my hand closed would solve that problem, but I have a hard enough time trying to complete hands with calls.

Does Holla Forums not like mahjong or something?

Second. I need motivation to learn Mahjong properly.
In fact, every tabletop game with porn gets better. Chess, poker, checkers, risk, anything.

Playing with the actual tiles is something else. They are loud as fuck when you have to shuffle them, I can only imagine how noisy a Majong den can get.

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How do you shuffle them anyway? Just toss them in a bag and shake?

Flip them all facedown and shuffle them around with circular motions of the arms. The tiles clacking together are deafening.

You put them face down on the table, slide them around for a while, then build walls. Or you buy an automatic table.

Holy shit didn't know these existed. Imagine if they could deal the tiles too.

That makes more sense.

Japan has all kinds of crazy shit

I remember kaiji explaining the mahjong rules as well .

A tiny bit. They're not playing actual mahjong in Kaiji, they play 17 Steps (or whatever the number of steps was). Mahjong has a bunch more rules like winds, calling, kan, etc.

learn go instead

ANIME PRIDE
WORLDWIDE

That looks like my set I bought through YMI. Same tile color and font? just with a black case.

My nigga.

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trolling is a art

fuk off /a/ u only like moe shit
realz animememe prids

I've been teaching myself to play since I first replied to the thread. Holy shit mahjong kicks ass.

I've been trying and I like the concept, but to me the yaku system looks like asian-lore induced calvinball that seems hopeless to grasp. I feel like a retard having to pause every draw to check what hand I can potentially build or if the nearest thing is worth anything. I guess it will go away with practice. I had to pause near constantly while watching Akagi to have the most remote idea of what was happening, great watch nonetheless but that cutoff copout ending REEEEEEE.
As a general question, ¿how do you usually call a tsumo in MAME games? I know for a fact last night I had a hand with three triplets which should at least give me a yaku for being concealed.

Now imagine playing on tenhou, whhich was my first attempt at actually playing. It has a time limit (5 seconds) per turn, and 10 extra seconds each round (not turn) that you can waste on top of those 5 seconds.
The manga is still not fucking done fighting that particular guy. More than half the series is just that night.

Honestly I think the best way is to practice.

gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html

Might not be the best, but it's easily accessible and I feel like it's the best way to learn how Yaku work.

I'll try that I guess. I get stumped because of things like pic related.
Someone please explain why cant I Ron this motherfucker.

You discarded your winning tile is probably the problem, tends to make your hands invalid.

You don't have any yaku. It is the south round, the east wind doesn't count as a yaku.

is wrong.

Wat. You have to be extremely unintelligent if you need help with Mahjong… its easier than Solitaire.

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You have two character tiles that don't match you can't have two different tiles you need to have something like 123 or 456. You can only have non-matching tiles in pairs of three numerically or in that hand where you have all 1s and 9s.

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I think you are thinking of honor tiles but if his hand is concealed he doesn't need to have honor tiles he just can't have those two not matching character tiles.

Look at his hand. He can't ron anything even if he kept the ton instead of discarding it and cut the 3 man. When youre concealed you need atleast 1 yaku to win, han doesn't cut it. If he riichied he'd gain two yaku, riichi and concealed hand, which, given the three dora, would be 5 han, a mangan.

im a retard they are the same thing. itd be 1 yaku not two. I haven't played in a while

Well his problem is he has just a five and six character tiles he should have made that a pair as you can see he threw out two fives and sixes he could have won if he hadn't done that.

he coulda won doing lots of things hind sight is 20-20. His question was "why couldn't i ron the other guys 4 man to win" and the reason was because he didn't have any yaku.

Well yeah but he wanted to know why he couldn't ron and it's because he has a five and a six alone. His hand as is, is on a one tile wait for a seven character tile

he was waiting for the 4 man as well.

Oh yeah you are right I forgot about the other direction. So ron-less user you need to watch having two different numbered tiles if you can make a pair instead of having two different numbered tiles you should probably do that unless you are trying to go for one of the weird high point yakus.

I thought just having a concealed hand was enough. So, if your hand is junk, you have to riichi?

I need to reread Saki, i have no idea what is going on anymore

What's good vidya to learn Mahjong with? I feel I'd retain more by playing than reading.

Concealed + tsumo, or concelaed + riichi.
Other easy methods to get a yaku are a triplet of dragons, no special tiles + no 1-9 tiles, having your or the current round wind, and dora.
That said, why wouldn't you riichi? Doubles your chance at being able to win (pon AND tsumo) andgives you a chance at the uradora.
**This all comes from a complete mahjong noob, I might be incorrect about some of that stuff.

This user linked a good easy-to-access game, which has some references on the page and doesn't have a time limit.

Ah, so you just can't ron on a junk hand, then. The dora does not count as a yaku in regards to meeting the one yaku requirement. It only serves to upgrade your hand.

Can mahjong be played with 2 players only? Are the rules the same as when you play with four players?

Yes
No.
arcturus.su/wiki/Futari_mahjong
mahjong.wikidot.com/rules:two-player-riichi

I've been seeing a lot of new people getting into mahjong lately, wonder whats causing it? Not complaining either way as its a beautiful game. Those who want an easy game to mess around in to learn the rules/get a feel for it check out this. Saikyo no Mahjong 3D. Then get gud and play on tenhou.

mediafire.com/file/p2fs2zopzunz9z4/Saikyo no Mahjong 3D[English].rar

Legendary Gambler Tetsuya is also great and you should watch/read it.

there some sauce for that user?

I played Ten mahjong before. Its tough because both players have to be really good at mahjong for it to be fun.

Hopefully I stay motivated to learn user. But thank you for this. Personally it's because of Pic related, a single chapter in a manga series called Alice in Borderlands that got me interested in understanding the rules of the game to make sense of what went down that chapter. I saw a thread here and just started lurking and trying some of the online resources.

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thanks user, also exhentai link for those who want it
exhentai.org/g/534580/69c63e9f85/

Sucks to be that guy

I like triggering people with this one little thing

I prefer 3p mahjong because it's faster paced

every time

You get big scoring hands more often so its entertaining for that factor alone.

you absolute mad man

it was worth it

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hora hora get dora

Wait Akagi had an animu adaptation?
Is it as good as Kaiji?

No

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Learning mahjong was a mistake. It's all I've been doing in my free time for almost a week now.

It's not bad. Kaiji is the better anime by a country mile but Akagi is still a good watch. Fuck the ending though, all that build up and it's a soft climax.

It was there since Yakuza 2 I can say since I sunk at least 4 hours into it

Would anyone be interested in creating a handy pastebin of direction in plain words? This is an interesting game that I would like to learn to, but I do feel out of my depth at times.
Also STEAM is fucking gay for having no real Mahjong games apparently, it's all the fucking matching shit.

Fuck this shit, i can't understand. Giving up.

They have real Mahjong games they just run like garbage, have no mention of the rules, and have trash art covered in tits designed to bring in faggots.
store.steampowered.com/app/338060/
store.steampowered.com/app/379960/

I'm close with you there user, because there must be something I'm not understanding since it refuses to let me finish this goddamn round which I should be able to do right now.

God fucking dammit, why can't they make something understated but entertaining? A lot of ambiene and maybe some people talking back and forth but nothing too great.
Shit, something like Poker Night at the Inventory would be perfect.

You dont have any yaku. same as that one user. Your hand is pure garbage and has no points. learn the yaku,

You fucked up. If you keep your hand closed until tenpai, you'll at least have riichi as a guaranteed yaku. That brings its own set of challenges, but at least you aren't getting stuck like that.

Now I know what it's like to be that guy who doesn't get what you're talking about when he asks you about video games or some shit and you respond plainly but he still doesn't get it.

It's a novel feeling.

Just compare it to poker you'll attract more players that way
It's basically the same shit I gather, just with more complicated hands and moonspeak code

Yaku are multipliers, as should be clear from the screenshot. You get multipliers from a relatively simple set of rules, indeed a lot like poker in many cases. Having a straight works, for instance. That's why that particular website is good for learning, because it actually lists those rules underneath the game.
It doesn't list furiten though, which means you discarded the tile you need to win earlier on so you're not allowed to win with it if you do get it. Gotta keep an eye on that. Aside from that all you gotta do is get playing while memorizing those hands.

Isn't japanese mahjong basically german rummikub and turkish okey?

Similar, but not the same

Pretty sure Okey is based off of Rummikub which is based on Mahjong.

So what's Mahjong based on?

I'd probably have to say Mahjong

This mahjong we play is riichi mahjong, the japanese variant. Which is based on the chinese mahjong. So is correct.

Sort of, mahjong first showed up played in china during the qing dynasty then it started spreading to other regions. Rummikub showed up something like 30s-40s. I don't know shit about okey but it seems to be the same deal. Mahjong very likely could have been based off cards before tiles became the standard.

People got bored of dominos and wanted something more complex I suppose, its hard to say 100%. Japan and got a hold of the game in 1907 and it a craze in the 20s. Everyone took the game and pretty much ran their own direction with it.

The version we play is based off of riichi. MCR is kind of similar but no riichi, which is half the fun imo

Different prefectures in Japan play differently, right?

So what I'm getting here is that only certain hands, or Yaku, 'win'? Because as far as the rules seems to say one just needs the 4 melds and a pair to call tsumo and 'win' that round.

So I guess the thing to take away from anons situation is that never call a Pon or Chon unless it feeds into a yaku you already have going?

Or unless you already have one already, or are confident you're going to get one. For example, if you start the round with two pairs of two different dragon tiles, there's a really good chance you'll either draw the tile you need or someone will discard one. And since a set of dragon tiles gives you a yaku, that's all you need (in addition to completing the rest of your hand with other pairs and straights) to go out.

House rules vary and are a plenty, its one of the neat things about the game. Don't know any examples off top my head though

Every hand needs at least one yaku to win in riichi mahjong. If you're just starting out its best to not worry about stealing tiles since more often then not you'll put yourself either in a weak position for a low scoring hand or worse case you end up with no yaku. Its better to keep it closed for the big hands anyway, at least until you really absorb the yakus. If you steal pointlessly you will be punished by other players

Red fives, golden fives, allowing furiten, picking ahead, higher minimum yaku requirement, to name just a few.

Reference sheet.

Does anyone know of a good site or application for practicing best discards and/or reading other people's discards? Specific scenarios I mean, not outright playing the game.

anyone else playing on tenhou? we should get a lobby going

Tenhou?

I'd rather walk across two narrow, electrified steel beams suspended over a garuntee'd fall of death - then learn how to play Mahjong

it's unfortunate because I love the theme and feel of Akagi I just…I'm just too gaijin for that shit.

Why can't you jap assholes be into something simpler…

tenhou.net it's online mahjong

It's (one of?) the biggest mahjong websites. It;s not really good for beginners though, since you have very limited time per turn. Same goes for mahjong parlors.

I didn't get it either, but after watching Kaiji, Akagi and reading Tetsunaki no Kirinji I slowly started grasping it a little. I can now reasonably play slowly, really wish I could find some IRL noobs to play with, but they all either have no interest in the first place or have the same reaction as you.

Its definitely intimidating at first, especially the scoring but with a bit of experience you can learn the game. Focus on yaku and completing your hand without opening it (calling pon/chi/kan) pointlessly. Just read over the rules a few times and play the game linked here . Best single player client to get the hang of the rules with solid presentation. No time limit so you can breath a little before you start playing on tenhou. The games linked in would also work but I wouldn't recommend it, they visually bloated and the mahjong isn't very satisfying. Very overpriced for what it is but Koi Koi Japan (Hanafuda playing cards) made by the same company is 10/10, even has online MP. Unrelated but if you want a simple chinky game to get into it might suit your needs.

Finding people IRL is a bitch depending where you live, if you're near a city there is probably some people that want to play mahjong nearby. If you wanted to teach newbs start small and just play to complete hands, bring in rules one by one. Anime really helps getting people into mahjong, shilling legendary gambler Tetsuya since people already know Akagi and Saki. They're confusing as shit to someone who doesn't know the game but they're very captivating and inspire many to learn it.

Tenhou is the best place to play but also has strong players, so you get whipped into shape pretty quick. Its also very easy to get into as a non Japanese speaking player since its a minimal UI.

Try to utilize the replay function when you feel you made a mistake in your games, you can replay from past positions against the AI and see if changing up a decision can turn one a shitty winning hand into an okay hand.

I started after reading this thread, I havent registered an ID yet because I'm lucky not to come in last.

Oh shit, good post

I registered an ID anyway so I can see my stats. So far I somehow have gotten a couple wins to get to 3rd kyuu but I mostly get 3rd or last in most matches. If anyone wants to play together the english lobby is tenhou.net/0/?L7447 or we can make our own lobby

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It would just be more of the same. The real tragedy is the lack of a Kaiji S3

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Especially since the 3-4th arcs are really fucking good.

And Poker hen is also really fucking good. Kaiji is such a good series, then again, it's easy to up Akagi, put someone who actually has emotions in the same situation, and you'll have a good time.

riichi.dynaman.net/

Found this site with a strategy write-up, it's kind of hard to find strategy advice in English

In that moment, I felt like Akagi. In the end I came last but only barely compared to third.

I thought Akagi knows exactly what the fuck he's doing, though? It's just the people behind him that don't.

akagi is also lucky as fuck