All Intel Chips Fucked

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

hollaforums.com/thread/846180/technology

theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/

archive.is/S40xK

Updated A fundamental design flaw in Intel's processor chips has forced a significant redesign of the Linux and Windows kernels to defang the chip-level security bug.

Programmers are scrambling to overhaul the open-source Linux kernel's virtual memory system. Meanwhile, Microsoft is expected to publicly introduce the necessary changes to its Windows operating system in an upcoming Patch Tuesday: these changes were seeded to beta testers running fast-ring Windows Insider builds in November and December.

Crucially, these updates to both Linux and Windows will incur a performance hit on Intel products. The effects are still being benchmarked, however we're looking at a ballpark figure of five to 30 per cent slow down, depending on the task and the processor model. More recent Intel chips have features – such as PCID – to reduce the performance hit. Your mileage may vary.

tl;dr intel is fucked, enjoy an assfucking if you bought intel in the last 10 years.

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twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/948684376249962496
zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-03/everyone-affected-why-implications-intel-bug-are-staggering
spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16065845
amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution
twitter.com/getongab/status/948744465484734464
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amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution
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Zachary Barnes
Zachary Barnes

(((Intel)))
We know this information already.

Oliver Wilson
Oliver Wilson

enjoy an assfucking
Faggot. Stay on your containment board for tech plebs.

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

50% PERFORMANCE PENALTY

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Lol when it turns out its actually a clever ruse to install bitcoin mining cluster software at the CPU level accross the planet netting intel billions in bitcoins

Kayden Flores
Kayden Flores

MUH SECURITEE
Intel chips have publicly known to be fucked since wikileaks said since 2009 they started integrating microscopic 3g modems on die to spy on iran.

Also
x86
secure computational architecture
pick one. you can glitch your way to ring 0, and it's been known for decades.

Anyone who has ever thought popular use tech to be secure is retarded. This is why Russia is working on MIPS based routers and computers to avoid jewtel and jew-cisco

Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

How much of the embedded crap runs on intel shit?

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

More recent Intel chips have features – such as PCID – to reduce the performance hit.
Might be worth convincing normalfags that it's a con to get them to buy new CPUs.

(checked)
It's either something like this or a cover for massively ramping up the use of embedded surveillance features.

Jace Hall
Jace Hall

TFW using a BULLDOZER to avoid kiketel

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

It isn't just Intel OP. It is all modern microprocessors.

twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/948684376249962496

zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-03/everyone-affected-why-implications-intel-bug-are-staggering

Angel Moore
Angel Moore

That's Intel trying to spin damage control to avoid taking major losses.

Elijah Foster
Elijah Foster

The latter is more likely tbh.

Jaxson Sullivan
Jaxson Sullivan

Who's really fucked isn't Intel (who will keep selling anyway) but Amazon and other cloud providers, if those 30% slowdowns really are common.
For those wanting to test it: hollaforums.com/thread/846180/technology
From what I understood it could affect other processors, but that isn't confirmed.

Logan Hernandez
Logan Hernandez

It is actually called spectre and it also fucks Intel chips so unlikely.

"Spectre" is very bad news and affects all modern CPUs. Mitigation is to insert mfence instructions throughout jit generated sandboxed code making it very slow, ugh. Otherwise assume that the entire process with jit generated code is open to reading by that code.
Any system which keeps data from multiple customers (or whatever) in the same process is going to be highly vulnerable.

spectreattack.com/spectre.pdf
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16065845

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

All modern microprocessors are vulnerable to "Spectre", which is much harder to carry out and only gives access to userspace memory (still bad).
The Intel "Meltdown" bug allows access to kernel memory and Google's security researchers demonstrated using it to escape a VM, meaning all cloud services are extremely exposed, you could run an Amazon EC2 instance, and steal data from another instance running on the same machine, like a cryptocoin exchange for example.
Luckily Meltdown is fixable in software (with a performance penalty) while Spectre is not.

Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

sage for double post

This is directly of interest to everyone on this site by the way. Even with being behind seven proxies and such and such.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

(((Intel's))) HQ has a glowinthedark field office in the R&D wing. The place has been under contact ant construction for about a decade making updates and additions. I know several electritions that have had guns drawn on them for going through the wrong door.

Jack Wood
Jack Wood

Anyway to opt out of this "update" and not take the performance hit?

Luke Jones
Luke Jones

If you're win7 or Linux just turn off updates and don't install any distros for it
If you're using 10 you're fucked.

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

Build AMD.

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

Nobody cares. AMD and Intel are both kike shit.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

Serves you niggers right for using the Devil's typewriters.

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

Apparently Terry is in jail again.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

archive.is/S40xK
I figured Win 10 users are fucked.
As far as AMD builds, I was planning on a new Threadripper based PC anyway. I was just thinking of all my clients bitching and moaning because their pc's are slow.

Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

Based Terry saving us from the glow in the dark cianiggers yet again.

Jonathan Jackson
Jonathan Jackson

ARM, Intel, and AMD are all known to be vulnerable to Spectre

For basic tasks that do not need to write directly to kernel memory, PTI shouldn't result in any performance hit. This will really only server software, Jim is no doubt shitting himself right now

Basically either leave an entire websites database wide open and insecure, or take a 5 to 30 percent performance hit because now Usermode access to kernel memory has to be gated. Before a usermode application could simply use virtual memory to access kernel memory because it was safe to assume the kernel was sufficient to block RW requests from usermode in certain parts of kernel memory. Not anymore

Both Microsoft and mainstream GNU/Linux distros are already rolling out patches such as PTI support enabled by default and FUCKWIT

Your precious vidya games and shitposting software are safe from performance penalty since they do not require direct access to kernel memory millions of times a day like web servers do

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

AMD
You're both retarded as this effects them as well.

amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

i dont understand what a system call is

Cameron Lewis
Cameron Lewis

Epyc Processors affected as well, from what I saw on Gab's twitter.
Data centers are in "Holy shit!" mode.
twitter.com/getongab/status/948744465484734464
So, you're fucked either way… might as well have 32 threads in a threadripper, than a dual core i7 in a mac mini.

Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

Conjecture is easier than using your brain I know, but next time try not trusting Reddit as a primary source of information. This isn't about system calls, this is about usermode applications needing to access kernel memory. If a system API is exposed in user space it shouldn't make a difference. This is why we aren't seeing performance hits with video games, because GL API calls are handled by the usermode GPU drivers

Brandon Bailey
Brandon Bailey

apple.com/mac-mini/specs/

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

System calls are run by the kernel, not by the user. When you ask to read a file your program doesn't read the file, since it can't, it asks the kernel to. They aren't a security risk because if the kernel is compromised you're fucked already. The problem is a usermode program being able to fuck around with memory it has no business in touching.

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

weird, I really thought the crackwhore would get him out of this jam.

So what updates should I avoid on debian to prevent this "fix"?

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

In theory you shouldn't need to prevent any updates, simply disable PTI as a kernel boot parameter in GRUB

Luke Phillips
Luke Phillips

(checked)
Thanks

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

Please tell me SOMETHING is safe? PowerPC? TALOS, OpenRISC, RISC-V, POWER9?

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

I'm too retarded to understand what how this patch has been implemented and what the slows downs are caused by

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

Unlikely, although no publicly released demonstration of the exploits have been made available for those architectures, it's likely as vulnerable and will be receiving the same security patches as everyone else as we now must assume no processor is safe

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

The slowdowns are caused by the fact usermode applications now need gated access to kernel memory through PTI and FUCKWIT because the kernel cannot be trusted anymore to protect important data from being exposed in virtual memory

Now please go away retard

Elijah Hughes
Elijah Hughes

I dont understand how a userspace space program performs a system call
stay retarded user

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

Not all API calls require kernel memory access

David Bailey
David Bailey

Total fucking nightmare for the economy.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

You seem to be mixing up Spectre and Meltdown.
Meltdown is Intel only and is far worse than Spectre.

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

Quick rundown on what makes Meltdown so much worse than Spectre?
Wouldn't spectre functionally be worse because it is a hole that can't be closed (because of it's fundamental nature) and can't be escaped (affects Intel, AMD, and ARM)?

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

Meltdown and Spectre are both unfixable, but AFAIK only Meltdown comes with the performance penalty

Carter Morris
Carter Morris

A great way to force upgrades to newer technology to the benefit of (((someone))) as well. While the patches temporarily solve the issue, the hardware is still compromised and new exploits will eventually be found and made. Probably can guess who specifically by watching the stock market.

Andrew Morales
Andrew Morales

whynotboth.jpg

Anthony Allen
Anthony Allen

Spectre only exposes userspace memory and is much harder to take advantage of.
Meltdown allows for access to kernel memory (I explained this in a previous post in this thread), and Intel's team demonstrated using it to escape a VM, making all cloud services vulnerable. This is apocalyptic for Amazon, Microsoft Azure, Google, and the like, services which run everything from Netflix to Bank back ends and cryptocurrency exchanges.
I think at least Amazon are rebooting with the patched software tomorrow. Before then, some hacker could start and instance and escape the VM.
Do it many times until you discover a machine you are sharing is one being used by your target, and you can access EVERYTHING in their instance, passwords, cyrptographic keys, you name it.
googleprojectzero.blogspot.no/2018/01/reading-privileged-memory-with-side.html

Alexander Watson
Alexander Watson

Meant Google's security team, not Intel's.

Kevin Morales
Kevin Morales

Could this be the 10 days of darkness #qanon referred to?

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

Probably not. Q user is most likely just some LARPing faggot who keeps things so vague that people pin shit he's said to random occurances, just like fortune tellers do.

Samuel Price
Samuel Price

It's worse than that. The only way to avoid Spectre is to get a new processor. New AMD and Intel processors will only run Windows 10. To avoid Spectre everyone running previous versions of Windows will have to upgrade or switch.

Leo Allen
Leo Allen

Running something like Qubes as your main OS would make something like Spectre inconsequential AFAIK. It needs to be fixed but companies arn't shitting their pants over it.

Eli Long
Eli Long

AMD provides windows 7 drivers for their mother boards, in case you want to use windows 7.

I'm gonna dual boot Win 7 + 10 on a Ryzen 5 CPU

David Perry
David Perry

That's ASRock Mother boards :p

Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

Doesn't al this go back to the Telecommunications Act, that forces everyone to install microphones and backdoors? I might be out of the loop as to the origins.

James Scott
James Scott

enjoy an assfucking if you bought intel in the last 10 years
class action lawsuit?

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

There's no danger of breaking into a different ring with in his OS because he runs everything in the same ring/with no protection already.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

Like a goy could sue (((Intel)))
That'd be antisemitic!

Connor White
Connor White

retard
this
ok cuck. First up all x86 is vulnerable up to ring 0. second, they all have integrated 3g modems and can operate while not powered.
honestly the abstraction between files and programs is god tier
Yup, He's too redpilled for his parents. They just can't stop defending CIA Niggers.

none of this shit matters you retarded kikes. x86 has been fucked for decades and now on-die modems just make it worse.

Zachary Martin
Zachary Martin

Isn't Bulldozer/FX series the last one not to have AMD's version of Intel ME, I think it's called the PSP? Not entirely sure if that's relevant to this particular discussion, however.

Jaxson Wilson
Jaxson Wilson

From what I see the broader idea would be to do more than implement further botnetted restrictive processors. AI optimized chips are becoming essential for future technology, and frankly the timing of this exploit presents a major opportunity to accelerate research, field testing and roll outs of these kind of chips over the course of 5-10 years. So I speculate those manufacturing them and accompanying software to use them, are going to make a lot of money from this hardware upgrading process, most notably Alphabet.

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

PSP apparently doesn't have as many "abilities" as ME, but it's still unacceptable that it exists, and there is no workaround at present.

Liam Gray
Liam Gray

implying that all devices capable of wireless communication aren't honeypots

Christian Ross
Christian Ross

Get a TalosII workstation.

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

INTEL CEO SOLD ALL HIS STOCK BEFORE THIS VULNERABILITY WAS RELEASED
archive.fo/ceCpQ
fool.com/investing/2017/12/19/intels-ceo-just-sold-a-lot-of-stock.aspx

Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

infowars.com/91497/

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

It would be funny if the Meltdown bug was introduced by Intel's Israeli design division, but I suspect it was just cutting corners to win the performance benchmarks.

Brandon Scott
Brandon Scott

Christ it's like the (((Equifax))) kikery all over again

Jace Carter
Jace Carter

Like a goy could sue (((Intel)))
I was hoping maybe we could dupe the (((ACLU))) into doing it for us

Caleb Gray
Caleb Gray

the average goy agreed to terms when they purchased or unboxed the processor or something agreeing that they can't sue i'm sure. this doesn't apply to all the cloudkikes that are going to get totally fucked when their $500 million dollar server bill goes up 35%, and/or they have to trash all their hardware and buy new cpu's when they eventually fix this. the cloudkikes have lawyers so they can't get away with the typical "you sign your whole life away by even looking at these terms".

i hope they get sued into oblivion but of course it won't happen because they're too big to fail, just like nothing happened to the equifax kikes. i'll bet there's all kinds of under the table deals going on between intel and the major players to avoid a lawsuit.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

of course the small business or host or whatever who just recently dropped a couple grand on a new server is getting no refunds. maybe the FTC can wreck them for false advertising like they did the scam colleges.

Christian Turner
Christian Turner

cloudkikes have lawyers so
yeah, but that would mean a class-action lawsuit. which, presumably, anyone who bought an intel chip could get in on

equifax
what happened with equifax? i'm not privy

maybe the FTC can wreck them
you'd have a better chance with a class-action. the FTC is notoriously corrupt

Xavier Hughes
Xavier Hughes

reminder

Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

equifax
Not a fucking thing. They blew smoke up everyone's asses and that's it.

Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

no, but what was the scandal?

Jaxson Parker
Jaxson Parker

equifax got hacked and they lost their database of everyone in america's SSN, address, name, phone number, previous addresses of everywhere you lived, basically all your security questions.

then they didn't tell anyone about it for 6 months + after they knew about it, and didn't bother to improve security either. there was some drama when it happened then it got quickly memory holed, the CEOs still made millions and nothing happened.

Jace Cox
Jace Cox

(((too big to fail)))

Asher Gray
Asher Gray

They almost got a contract to make even more money by SECURING everyone's fucked data too. Fucking jews.

Juan Gutierrez
Juan Gutierrez

oh yeah, i vaguely remember that. they really memoryholed that one quick, eh?

Gabriel Rivera
Gabriel Rivera

50% performance penalty
For heavy io applications like databases and web servers.
They are in full damage control mode. Trying to shift focus from this issue and prevent people from going to competitor products. They have had plenty of time to construct a finely tuned pr response.
That is a separate issue that allows privelege escalation. A compromised system is required.

Carson Rodriguez
Carson Rodriguez

the goyim know

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

archive.fo/rwC7y
businessinsider.com/intel-ceo-krzanich-sold-shares-after-company-was-informed-of-chip-flaw-2018-1

Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

implying niggers can successfully use desktop GUIs

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

I wouldn't bet on that, mate.
xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html

Julian Hernandez
Julian Hernandez

Good, these fucking jews deserve it after putting their noses on the scale getting all those bullshit doom and gloom articles written to sink AMDs stock.

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

That feel when AMD user

Charles Hernandez
Charles Hernandez

security researcher finds speculative execution
Decides to test it
SE runs his code without permission
Researcher thinks he's found the sweet spot
Checks the return buffer
Sees nothing
Realizes the SE doesn't save changes until given the go ahead by the software it's running for
Software gives the go ahead
MMU intercepts because it realizes the program is trying to access ring 0 from ring 3
Juicy, delicious memory that was "leaked" is dumped to ground by the CPU

Tldr; they can't actually exploit this and the proposed solutions are pretty fucking retarded and won't actually work anyway

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

Nothing will happen if you don't install exploits on your machine. So… the solution is very simple. Do a clean install and install only trusted software.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

pozzilla has already confirmed that this can be exploited via pozfox via javascript.
blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/01/03/mitigations-landing-new-class-timing-attack/
archive.fo/n7JXR

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

Tldr; they can't actually exploit this
IDK. I'm not a security expert but I don't think intel, MS, apple and the linux kernel devs would be moving so quickly and appropriating resources for something that "won't actually work anyway". The thing is anytime there is a compromised application it could allow this hardware exploit to be used.

Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

really quick. What specs should we be using, processor, ram etc, in order to avoid the digital jew?

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

486 brick (with clay inside)

all is botnet

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

Both exploits are microprocessor dependent.
Meltdown appears to affect all Intel CPUs made from 1995 apart from the Itanium line and pre-2013 Atoms (the key feature being support for out-of-order execution).
Spectre appears to affect all Intel, AMD and ARM processors that support any speculative execution.

tl;dr never buy an (((Intel))) (literally made in Haifa) processor for any reason, apart from these exploits modern chips are wide open due to (((Management Engine))). AMD appears to be unaffected by the more readily exploited vulnerability at least but is still susceptible to Spectre for now. There are no good options really.

Ayden Thomas
Ayden Thomas

I'm reading conflicting reports - it seems there are two variations of Spectre, one doesn't affect AMD, the other one does but only if a feature is turned on that's off by default.

Also intel and others are trying to imply AMD is affected contradicting AMD's own claims to the contrary

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

Sorry, three variants not two. amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution

AMD not vulerable to 2/3 , the 1st variant is patchable with negligible overhead according to AMD.

Also don't forget that AMD chips have an equivalent to IME called PSP.

Matthew Adams
Matthew Adams

Only one option remains.
P O W E R

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

TFW TempleOS not affected

Ian Reed
Ian Reed

what the fuck are you supposed to do?
how do you get around that?

Christopher Peterson
Christopher Peterson

YOU NEVER BUY A HAIFA-MADE INTEL BOTNET-ON-A-CHIP

there are methods of disabling it but fuck only knows if they are 100% effective

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

be normie-tier gamer
buy intel
get an assfucking because you trusted the jews

They never learn their lesson.

Adam King
Adam King

that would be great if the cheapest option wasn't $2400 for just a single 4 core CPU and a motherboard.
if you want ram with that board it's $150/8GB

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

Jesus fucking Christ…

Those prices are unbelievable, if only for their sake of absolute tinfoil hattery. I get people want the Alphabet and Kikes to keep out of their shit, but that's just insane.

Can it run Crysis?

Josiah Butler
Josiah Butler

Can it run Crysis?
no, it's not going to run any games, or windows for that matter, because they were compiled for x86 not power. the only thing your going to be running on it is linux and open source games that you can compile yourself.

i'm sure you can emulate x86 in a virtualmachine but it's not going to be hardware virtualization, it's going to be software emulation, so it's going to be slow as fuck.

Kayden Sanchez
Kayden Sanchez

I know, I know… But for the sake of argument- could you run WINE? And what prevents a Graphics card being installed besides potential driver setup?

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

wiki.winehq.org/MacOS_FAQ#Will_there_be_a_PowerPC_version_.28or_will_there_be_a_way_to_run_Wine_on_a_PowerPC_processor.29.3F
apparantly the answer is no. they tried to port somethings a few years ago and said fuck it.

graphics cards work fine though. the workstation they're trying to sell for $5000 comes with an $800 radeon.

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

Oh well, could have been interesting to see.

Thanks for your effort in answering my queries dude.

Robert Powell
Robert Powell

massive performance drop

Is there a legitimate reason for this? Sounds suspicious as fuck like said.

Anthony Hill
Anthony Hill

these cpu's are verified fucked though. the proof of concept code works and it shouldn't. the performance drop is also caused be windows/linux trying to unfuck this mess, it's software causing the performance drop not the hardware. you can disable the new KPTI to get your performance back on linux atleast if you don't care about the vulnerability

Mason Perry
Mason Perry

What is the fastest ibm thinkpad that isn't affected by spectre?

Wyatt Ortiz
Wyatt Ortiz

your going to have to go all the way back to pentium II.

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

prices aren't looking too bad

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

Aren't pentium II's vulnerable to this spectre hack?

Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

itt: people thinking it's exclusively intel that is fucked

AMD is the Chinese version of Intel. By that I mean AMD waits for new chipsets to come out, buys the designs and tweaks them, then puts their own on version on the market.That's why AMD's chips, even their flagship models, are always one generation behind.

We're all screwed.

Nathan Clark
Nathan Clark

tfw shitposting from a lemote fulong

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

checked

Matthew Green
Matthew Green

TempleOS is compiled for (((8086)))
<<However Source Code is not in assembly so could be ported to another chip.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

This might sound a bit too "tin foil" but…
Wouldn't this be the perfect pretext to replace all "Bad" CPU's with "Good" CPU's…

I'm basically saying that this whole story is a (((LIE))) cooked up to get everyone scared into replacing their CPU's with the; (((purely good cant be hacked))) CPU's.

Any thoughts?

Carter Williams
Carter Williams

No Lie, could be half truth. Playing with the idea perhaps its as you say to replace hardware and reinvigorate the economy with some well placed destruction. However a compromised system is still compromised. If you want evidence, check out the code, compile it, and test on a system. Many have done so already.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

GOOD LUCK, MELTDOWN-CHAN!!

Dylan Carter
Dylan Carter

getting into some real shitposting hardware then

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

Just realized something, could these exploits be used to target DRM schemes to quickly identify ways to crack them, or would there be more to it?

Because if it's practical, I can imagine a cracker using vulnerable systems on purpose to capitalize on these exploits for reverse engineering.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

all these exploits do is shit you could already do with root in software. everything in memory can be read. you can already do that with root. the issue here is userland non-root programs getting access to kernel land / root memory.

Jaxson Rogers
Jaxson Rogers

Intel shit the bed right after people Intel hidden in-chip Minix OS
well shit, now I'm glad I decided to go with AMD years ago.

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

find*

Nathan Martinez
Nathan Martinez

What if we all gave up PC's as a whole and all decided to arm ourselves and form a territory somewhere in a 3rd world country.

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

I was under the impression that coffee lake can be duped into using windows 7 provided you use the bypass?

Ian White
Ian White

THE POINT IS THAT NOW INTEL CPU HAVE TO BE SLOWED DOWN, BECAUSE NOW ANY INDIAN WITH A RIGHT MOUSE BUTTON CAN DO THIS, NOT JUST THE CIA-NSA-GCHQ-ASIO

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

Install Ubuntu, and quit playing games. Here's a graphic illustration of your brain on Windows, embeded.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

I was under the impression that an ordinary exploit would have to be used first - and then this vulnerability is more like a privilege escalation vuln.
Obviously, for Cloud Services, this would completely fuck their shit up as they can already run code on the server and this would allow them to snoop memory on not only their VM, but everyone else's on that same server.

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

almost zero, it's all ARM

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

It's not all VMs either. I just checked the proof of concept on one of the one's I work on and talked to the host, apparently KVM is not affected. I think Xen and OpenVZ are the one's fucked.

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

can operate while not powered
That makes literally no sense. Electronics require power. Period. Do you mean that it can run off the standby rail while the PC is "off" but still plugged in, or are you saying that Intel's bypassing the laws of physics?

Henry Phillips
Henry Phillips

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
Spectre affects…
EVERYONE WHO USES WEBPAGES THAT HAVE JAVASCRIPT ON IT

Nathan Rivera
Nathan Rivera

PowerPC is vulnerable to Spectre.

tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2018/01/is-powerpc-susceptible-to-spectre-yep.html

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

The person who discovered the bug literally just said he was unable to use it as an attack vector.

Unless you can already run code as root, or manage to figure out how to rowhammer CPU buffers, you're not going to use this in an exploit.

If you're already root, there's no need to bother with this. If you can rowhammer CPU buffers with any amount of accuracy at all, you're God's gift to computers and deserve a medal.

In any event
2017
not building your own CPU using IC's from Texas Instrument
Get what you deserve tbh.

Jackson Hernandez
Jackson Hernandez

MIPS architecture

user where the fuck did you find this and where can I get one

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

Spectre can walk across your browser's memory. Example, you load FB, catch up on your college bros, then log out, and load a malicious website. The malicious site can steal your password.

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

Why? It's backdoored by the Chinese government, and this means the US government can just as easily get in.

William Barnes
William Barnes

Could the performance "bug" be simply the biggest literal botnet in the world embedded?

Of course, Intel is owned by jewry and based in Israhell, so it would make sense. Intel Golem? Just speculation but…

Tyler Mitchell
Tyler Mitchell

BASED TERRY

Elijah Hill
Elijah Hill

terry is looking downright prophetic at this point

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

Using hardware that isnt kiked.

John Collins
John Collins

Does AMD supports a botnet too or headed by a kike?

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

magic-1.org/

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

Is computer?
No comrade, is botnet.
Is potato?
No comrade, is botnet.
Is toaster?
No comrade, is botnet
Is toast?
No comrade, is botnet ram

Carter Bennett
Carter Bennett

Yes and yes, The 8 Goddess is a CIA operation throughout Asia and everyone knows who they actually answer to.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Hey 8ch, a while ago I've heard about some military laptops that ended up on the civilian market that were highly sought after because they have no surveilance backdoor; it has come to my mind again because of that intel scandal. I've forgot the model's name though, and I can't find anything on the internet. Did the info on these things already end up in the memory hole? A while ago I made some screenshots, but somehow they're gone now.

What were these things called?

Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

It was a scam. This latest news proved it. These flaws go back to 1995, long before that laptop's CPU was made. Even since the 70's Israel has been designing Intel CPU. While, at present, we don't know (this level of) faults of the older ones, be assured they have them. They had fewer security features back then. This should help you understand how bad the situation is.

And what about the other chips? Do they have backdoors in them?

This isn't good enough. We need a ground-up PC that's open source, and designed with security in mind.

And here's the good news: I have a hunch it's coming.

And there will also be services - something better than web boards, without any censorship.

Julian Taylor
Julian Taylor

I found what I meant, its the TPW corp. Anyone here heard about it?

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

Checked.
"Intel's main competitor AMD has incorporated the equivalent AMD Secure Technology (formally called Platform Security Processor) in virtually all of its post-2013 CPUs."
"AMD EPYC Platform Security Processor Code Will Not Be Open Source"
THIS IS HOW OUR WILL WAS SUBVERTED

Levi Thomas
Levi Thomas

Yes, I answered you. It's vulnerable to Spectre, which is 2/3rds of the attack. The basic idea is seductive, though, but only to schizo kikes.

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

see

Dylan Ramirez
Dylan Ramirez

Why isn't this stickied? Spectre didn't go away. It cannot be fixed, only mitigated (read: over and over it will keep happening again).

Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

There are countless millions of Intel machines in embedded applications out there, silently waiting to be exploited.

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

And AMD, once people figure out how to operate one of its back doors. See here:

Ryan Bell
Ryan Bell

Wait, why should I care? The worst that can happen is that I lose a few gigabytes of reaction images/infographs, if what I know of the situation is correct (and that's if someone decides to mess around).

David Cox
David Cox

AMD doesn't have nearly the problems Intel has now. Intel is fucked, AMD has a small issue which is difficult to exploit and which might be remedied in hardware.

Lincoln Long
Lincoln Long

What I have read is a <8% for domestic home users.
Graphics users & servers will take a larger hit but have the ability to scale up without CPU replacement.
So no worries…or did you not see the stock market today?
Intel stock actually rose today.

Nicholas Bennett
Nicholas Bennett

As far back as the end of 2015 there were rumors even in the fake news about how the "internet needs a security reboot" and the whole thing could go offline for a little while.

Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

It's entirely workflow dependent. You can talk about average, but the average user never pegs more than a few percent of their CPU at any given time unless a browser tab's misbehaving.

So essentially it's, home users won't notice anything, unless they browse to a site where the datacenter is in 'holy shit we're fucked' mode. Pretty much most servers will be heavily affected unless they already switched to Ryzen.

The prognosis isn't good for Jewtel though.

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

(((workflow dependent)))
oy vey you don't use that last 30% of your cpu anyway goy don't worry about it.

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

AMD have a similar feature to the (((Management Engine))) called the Platform Security Processor (PSP), which is more or less equally horrifying.

libreboot.org/faq.html#amd
it is our opinion that all performant x86 hardware newer than the AMD Family 15h CPUs (on AMD’s side) or anything post-2009 on Intel’s side is defective by design and cannot safely be used to store, transmit, or process sensitive data

Levi Phillips
Levi Phillips

… although it seems that the PSP might not be network accessible like the ME is.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

It supports everything, in my opinion. They have refused to open source the code (which might not even be enough, because it could have secret features):

Ian Price
Ian Price

Gamers and people who edit video or computer music and stuff will be feeling pain because of this, as will certain gaymers and power user types, but most home users will only wonder why Netflix is so slow lately, until the lights go out.

Parker Green
Parker Green

If someone can get your account passwords they can impersonate you, and cause you to get thrown into prison.

Mason White
Mason White

where was the outcry about that when equifax literally lost their entire database that contained every piece of possible identification information about every single person in the country.

Adam Wilson
Adam Wilson

where was the outcry
The media was doing its best to smooth that over, but it was still there and there is ongoing legal action against them.

Just because the fake news doesn't trumpet a happening from every hilltop don't assume that means actual people in the know don't feel that it isn't a big deal.

Don't worry, posts like yours encourage me.

Jonathan Gray
Jonathan Gray

It's 20% for faggot Photoshop users. The real point, though is…
THIS CONSTITUTES A FUNDAMENTAL DESTRUCTION OF COMPUTER SECURITY, AS WE KNEW IT!
All that fancy programming that went into separating apps from each other, with protected memory, that's out the window, because it relied upon the CPU not being shit. Non-geeks do not understand how incredibly important it is for it to be impossible for apps to cross the boundary into kernel memory space, or the memory space of other programs.

And it looks like it will take, at minimum, Intel 3 years to get performance back where it was. Meanwhile AMD Zen is early in the cycle, and will only keep getting more efficient, faster, more extensions.

It's the end for Intel. I won't miss them. Hopefully Samsung will step it up and become a player in the desktop CPU market, so there's competition. Thus far, Qualcomm has shown some interest, at the low end, thankfully!

William Wood
William Wood

You won't like my answer. It begins with "Bitch" and ends with "groin".

Checked.

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

It's pretty much true.

Tyler Foster
Tyler Foster

i wonder if you'll be able to pick up one of those $3000 xeon's for $50 in a few years after companies replace them all. a 30% performance cut off the top end is still mid-range.

Jace White
Jace White

Yeah, people are irrational. Picked you up a Ryzen yet?

Henry Price
Henry Price

magic
homebrew CPUs are the way forward

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

It is indeed.

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

Now happening: archive.is/AHwaq

Charles Evans
Charles Evans

Yes, Coffee Lake came out AFTER Intel was informed of this. They should have thrown all those CPU in the trash and announced they won't be making CPU until whatever date they had a stopgap bare metal fix. Instead, they changed the way they sell CPU, switching to something more akin to "performance ratings" AMD used to use. Basically, the fine print only promises something like 75% of the performance people see in the tech press. And then there's that stock the Intel CEO recently sold off stock, well after Intel learned of this:
"On Nov. 29, Brian Krzanich, the CEO of chip giant Intel (NASDAQ:INTC), reported several transactions in Intel stock in a Form 4 filing with the SEC. "

Robert Turner
Robert Turner

Apparently, AMD Athlons and Phenoms are not affected. Neither are consoles based of those architectures like Xbox one.

Asher Reed
Asher Reed

If Jaguar and Puma CPUs are not affected, then many AMD laptops with APUs would be safe from these attacks. Processors like A6-5200 and A8-6410.

Brandon Jones
Brandon Jones

There are two aspects to Spectre, aside from the fact Spectre is two, not one (this seems appropriate of an apparition, somehow).

First, they're incredibly complicated. It's something only digital logic experts understand.

Second, accordingly, I must take them at their word, when they claim that all CPU that use speculation in the design are compromised by this.

I take this to mean this is a whole category of attack.

It is my understand, again from others, that unless a certain flag is set (why is it there to begin with?!!! for special CIA purposes????!!), Ryzen and EPYC are immune to all attacks as presently demonstrated. Spectre was demonstrated on Ryzen, but only with the flag set. It's only something that could be set in Linux… …overtly. But covertly, Windows could be set this way, I believe.

I suspect that it would be wise to pick up a Ryzen at this time. Like, literally, this very moment. There will be more flaws in Intel chips discovered. It's like blood in the water here. The sharks are circling. And there's money involved. Kikes will be funding - at skinflint rates - research into the core features of Intel chips.

Look, AMD has long known they have had this problem. Intel funds "security" research against them.

So get out there and buy a Ryzen before they sell out, when every Tom Dick and Harry decides they need one (when they probably actually don't).

The reason you need a Ryzen (or Piledriver, or Ryzen PRO, or EPYC) is that it's going to be the CPU of choice for most next-gen privacy software.

Longer-term, perhaps later this year, I believe there is a computer project of some kind, some kind of secured hardware for the consumer. It's been years, and I believe that's Snowden's secret project. But it's just a guess.

Leo Sanders
Leo Sanders

Someone to keep an eye on:
twitter.com/thegrugq
As he points out some important things (for example, Snowden's "Haven" is basically just a pretty face on someone else's very hard work, and he didn't credit that hard work, which is fucking rude).

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

Does Ryzen have that PSP shit? Regardless, I really hope there is a massive consumer/business reaction to Intel and those fucking kikes pay for their crimes. Considering the power, influence and resources at their disposal, I'm not holding my breath. Intel has a lot of weight to throw around at every level of the ecosystem.

Sebastian Perry
Sebastian Perry

Does Ryzen have that PSP shit?
yes, but there's apparently an option to disable it in bios on some motherboards, it's not widespread, and no idea which motherboards give you this option. it's also not a guarantee at all that's it's off, but it's going in the right direction.
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-PSP-Disable-Option
archive.fo/hyF2c

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

Atleast with Intel ME there was some indication that it was on or off, and some limited documentation on it and what it could do. If you really wanted to use ME to remotely do shit on your computer you could.

With PSP, there's no documentation. This is all of the information AMD puts out
amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/security
and it's nothing.

There's no consumer facing option to even use the fucking PSP if you wanted to, so nobody knows what it does or what it's capable of.

John Reyes
John Reyes

Intel's dominance has more to do with their spectacularly illegal business practices. For example back in the original Athlon era, AMD was both faster and cheaper. Intel had gotten lazy raking in the shekels with speedbumps, culminating in the Prescott "more like PressHOT" Pentium 4. But this didn't effect the market nearly as much as it should have, because they engineered a conspiracy whereby all the big OEMs like Dell carried on using Intel anyway.

Also archive.is/3Wjks

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

"The RX Vega 64 is the fastest AMD GPU under macOS. The Radeon RX Vega 64 is clearly the fastest AMD GPU we have ever tested. Though it beat the NVIDIA GPUs in the Resolve OpenCL Noise Reduction test, when we selected CUDA, the 1080 Ti attained 54 FPS and the 1080 attained 36 FPS."
user, how is that possible? Vega 64 is slower than the 1080Ti in just about every title on Windows.

Microsoft is giving NVIDIA the edge, in their proprietary "DirectX", a clone of OpenGL, their clone being the commonest in use by games.

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

Oy vey this is causing me such trauma, come on goys, saying that 3G can fit into a CPU is an Anti-Semitic canard:
eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1323649
TEL AVIV — Intel announced a 3G cellular modem with an integrated power amplifier that fits into a 300 mm2 footprint, claiming it is the smallest such chip.
Intel's antenna approach not only decreases the size of the modem but maximizes jewing capacity and throughput by decreasing shekel loss, the kike said.
isolatebutpreserve.blogspot.com/2016/11/israel-greatest-spy-machine-of-all-time.html
Goyim can't compete, all Intel R&D is being done in Israel… give it up goy
timesofisrael.com/how-intel-came-to-be-israels-best-tech-friend/
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/intel-israel-old-relationship-faces-new-criticism/
SkyLake was developed in Israel at Intel’s Haifa research & development center
SkyLake will enable computers to be powered up and linked to peripherals without the mass of wires and cable that goyim have had to put up with
5G is the future goy, give me all your data, you know you want to

Henry Fisher
Henry Fisher

(((design flaw)))
took intel and microsoft 10 years to find it

ehem.

Look up F.A.K.E… Its an architecture design 'agreement' that came to be thanks to our pals over at the UN. It was for "regulating design so that we dont run into problems with systems being made differently" this was back in 1994 btw.

Tried telling anons in october about this
Lets see if you retards listen now

Jeremiah Brown
Jeremiah Brown

Remember LIBOR?

Zachary James
Zachary James

see
There was a fucking UN chip architecture resolution called F.A.K.E. Back in 1994.

been posting about this for fucking 4 months now

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