Self-Reliance Discussion

In order to overcome the coming social and economic troubles that will face us in the coming future, one must not be overly dependent on modern society, lest you be dragged down with it. The final red-pill is choosing a life of self-reliance and being in charge of your domain, instead of being a good goy.

How many of you here are homesteaders, or have considered getting into any kind of self-reliant lifestyle?

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There's also a discord group for further discussion, and for perhaps setting up a real world community of like-minded homesteaders: honeypot/DY2wY5

Honeypot.
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All these bad goy threads poping up, kampfy is gonna get carpal tunnel banning everyone. LOL.

The problem with retreating in this fashion is that it doesn’t fix anything. Yes for the period you can sustain it, this lifestyle is superior, but the Government can come along and pull you out of your homestead and force you into a Google smart home at any point it likes.

Nice try Fbi, but literally no one on Holla Forums is going to join your discord. Just give up.

Relevant thread topic though thanks

Good thread op it does me good to see these come up but just like the self improvement threads I have a feeling this will be slid into Oblivion because God forbid we do anything in meatspace other than suck isreals dick (am I right imkampfy) but either way good job and stay steadfast.

Hey fellow U.S. anons, what's /our state/? Florida is pretty nice, but honestly the amount of snakes and swamp make it pretty repulsive in terms of a serious out doors life style. A snowy cabin has its own pleasant aesthetic, but it would eventually get old, and it would be bad for crops. I'd like to find a perennial state: One that can be /comfy/ year round, and isn't run by democrats. Whiteness is preferred for truck drives into town, but not completely necessary.

Also has anyone here ever been to Montana? It looks pretty, but it takes a resident to really tell you what a state's like.

Get out of south florida then fag

The Importance of Traditional Food and Diet
Weston Price was a dentist that discovered that when people eat natural traditionally prepared foods, they had virtually NO dental problems or physical development problems. He traveled the world to document this scientifically and documented examples.
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Is North Florida/Georgia that much better?
I don't travel much.

Yes, yes it is.

I'm saving up for land to establish my own homestead. Hopefully I can find some property that the owner will carry.

It's honestly depressing that there aren't more people homesteading. I have to try not to resent my family for deciding to live in the suburbs.

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Southern Ohio, Southern Indiana, West VA, Kentucky, Tennessee, Northern Louisiana, Western Missouri, Kansas and Western Montana. Honorable mentions go to Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi, great states but very high nigger density. Choose your home carefully and you'll be fine. The rest are either dem run or have unusually harsh winters and I'd hate to see an user die just because he's used to thinking that 55 degrees is coat and scarf weather.

Suburb hate is a meme for edgy teens. Why do you think whites have families in suburbs? So they can be close enough to a decent job without being around diversity and enrichment, and attempt to have at least a semblence of community while they're at it.

Running to the hills is escapism plain and simple. I know you types dont like to hear it but its the truth. The Amish have been doing that sort of thing for centuries and are still irrelevant, have no institutional power, and are continually encroached upon. The only reason third world hordes haven't raided their properties and enslaved their daughters is because they live in a white country that enforces the rule of law. When your country becomes Brazil or South Africa 2.0, there will be roaming hordes of third worlders coming to kill you. It actually happens to Mennonites in South America and Boers in South Africa. Running to the hills is accelerationism and ceding power to your replacements.

Florida is hell from April-October unless you have A/C.
Ask any of us how fun it is to go weeks without power after a hurricane.

I will post what I got from the books I have at home. Currently work posting but Southern Ohio is great for this. Just avoid Chillicothe and you should be good to go. (There's waaay too many drug addicts out there to live comfortably.)

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Another book you'll want is archive.org/details/DeepNutritionWhyYourGenesNeedTraditionalFood
Same idea, but more modern.

I did not know that having bad teeth can mess the faces up!

Retreating to the hillfort is a time honoured hwite defence mechanism, its saved us many times in the past. It's been our failure a few times, but castling is our natural instinct

how would a modern castle work?

As I see it, the exterior should contain bait areas, which are the apparently nicer areas. They are never to be actually used, but to be rigged that they provide warning of the presence of intruders.

The more inner areas should contain tunneling which can be reached from every VIP-use area.

There are two analogous structures of the castle, and I believe it is the true secret purpose of the castle. The sally port (I believe tunnels exist in the ones lacking sally ports, but have not been discovered), and the Donjon. The Donjon is simple enough - the most attractive room, the room at the top of the tower, is actually the most useless, except for observation purposes. It would often be elaborately decorated, as people grew to be a bit wise to this trickery - fooling them yet again. The sally port is just a small back door that is designed to be trivial to defend.

The tunnel should lead to a private plane, and the PC-12 tops the list of well-known planes, I do believe. There should not be any options, at the end of the tunnel. Options create indecision, perhaps not in you, precisely, but arguments may arise. This is not possible if there is but one means of escape.

So, none of this is in stone (pun intended), however i think this can be developed - must be, even.

North GA in the hills seemed nicer than south GA. Niggers seem to be allergic to mountains, for the most part. The user who said south OH has a good spot too. MT is great, except the winters are fierce up there. Same goes for ID, WY and UT. KS, IA and MO are good spots in my opinion. I like the Ft Leonard Wood/St Robert area of MO personally. Mountainy, woods, not many niggers around.

Agriculture requires land. Land requires money. Money is held by Jews.

Posting some efficiency pics.

Here's a vegetable, herb, and fruit growing database I made.

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It was disabled by the BO. You can still post it on /pdfs/ as a workaround then link it here.

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Thanks again. Hard to learn these things when you just lurk.

Here's some pdfs on homebuilding
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No whites own land for self reliance. Got it.

Look for "owner to carry" or "owner carried" when searching. It's basically rent to own because the land/house is un-mortgageable for one reason or another. Manufactured homes older than 1976 are in-mortgageable and have to be listed as lots/land so owners will offer reasonable terms. In addition to climate look for places with loose or no permit laws for agricultural buildings. Since you're homesteading every building beside your primary residence will be agro and permits are thousands. The other thing to look for is a well. Wells can be upward of $20k just to drill. Our place had a well sunk but no pump, it cost $3600 just for a pump installation(450ft deep) and $2k to plumb it to the house most of which was wire and pipe.

Our place is in the Pacific NW inawoods so we're starting temperate permaculture. We spent our first years budget on trees and plants that will take a while to mature. Next year will be livestock and some infrastructure; then infrastructure and more plants the following year.

It's easy to get overwhelmed so prioritizing is key and remember that your grandparents' farm was established over generations not a year or 2.

For anons that don't have the (((credit score))) or down payment to get out of the city look for rooms to rent in a farmhouse/barn. There's also plenty of Jewtube videos on Aqua/hydroponic farming in your apartment, if for no other reason than to save on groceries.

Get guns then, even if they try to Waco you it's better than living in 1984

Can you enlighten us on the true solution that wil end white genocide and the jewish hegemony over the world?
Inb4 voting for redpilled political parties that will eventually be compromised if they aren't already
Inb4 distribute redpills to wake up the normies >implying they want to wake up

Bullshit. The size of the room determines how easy it is for any water source to humidify it. Even nothing more than a toilet is enough to encourage mold in a tiny bathroom where the door is left shut you generally see it show up under the seat first, but I can tell you from experience that there's more very slowly doing it's thing. Keeping a bathroom door open when not in use solves most issues.

Honestly though there is no real reason not to have a fan connected to a humidity sensor or to a timer switch that you can hit and forget about. It's an easy and cheap upgrade that will save you a lot of time and money.

This.

Indian user, can conform no matter how rich I am living in a woods is not an option when there are tribes residing who can eat people in a blink of an eye, and yeah add maoists to the equation too.

suprised no one has mentioned Harold Covington and his NW homeland. worth checking out. northwestfront.org/

Source? I didn't know the mennonites had to suffer the same bullshit Boers do.

MN user here. State is mostly white except the cities. Blacks are becoming more common in the rural areas. Majority of the whites are cucked beyond belief. Other than that everything else about this state is glorious.

Farms are a lot of work to maintain. Be ready for steady labor just to keep it viable. And if you can't defend it, you're just tending a stronger person's garden.

Fuck off kike, the everglades the only thing going for South Florida

There's a surprising of bashing Florida going on in this thread, but concerning agriculture it is hands down the most fertile state in the nation. I triple crop annually.

Early Spring-Summer: Corn, green beans, potatoes, watermelon, Musk melon / cantaloupe, onion, carrots
Mid/Late Summer-Fall: Pie and Heirloom Pumpkin, Watermelon, Radishes, tomatoes, sugar cane, and potatoes
Fall-Winter: (see Spring) but in lower quantity

We eat a lot of potato, and pumpkin grows like weeds here so I make a paltry sum selling them for cheap come fall. Since it's pretty much consistently humid and warm, our plant growth is almost effortless. Since we get weekly showers, the soil is saturated. Yes, it's a hot and ugly state. It's flatter than Marxist rhetoric. But it's a fertile land, and that's what counts. The only issue is the destruction of our environment thanks to greedy land developers and the dumbass spics who move in. We need a goddamned sea wall and coastal blockades to keep these fuck heads out.

Blackpill here looking to stop being blackpilled.


user's right.
Running off into the woods to create your dream homestead is escapism, even with a small, trained tribe. Homesteading won't stem the flow of migrants that will turn your country into another hellscape like with South Africa and your homestead and tribe will just be torched when the authorities think it's time to do away with you. Even an armed barracks like Waco couldn't hold it's own when the feds brought out the fire tank.
The only point of homesteading would be to have a healthier more blissful life to raise children as you wait for the inevitable guillotine to drop on you and your children's head. Nothing of real value is accomplished.

However the Fed's do worry about 4th generational warfare where the revolutionary guerrillas could be any one of the normal civilians, where any suburban window *could* be a sniper ready to pop. Having a homestead in this case as a guerrilla would be counter-intuitive since it's all your eggs in one basket whereas squatting from spot to spot in the city or bugging just outside of it would be more ideal for evasion and secluded rest. Life in this case would be analogous to the guerrillas in the middle east during American occupation.

As much as I want to homestead as the next user, it is the REWARD once revolution is carried through. The problem is that normies are so accustomed to life in the boiling pot where seeing their own family cooked to death wouldn't stir them to even splash. Life will remain cozy enough for decades to come.
Which leads us back to vain escapism being the only viable option, in the vain hopes of a systemic collapse which will never come.

What you don't seem to understand is that if you are in a suburban/urban environment during a collapse or revolution you are almost guaranteed to die by the hands of the military or wild packs of niggers. Your best bet is to let the idiots kill each other off.

Our goal as people is not to start a war with the government but to attain a culture and develop a new folk that we were never born with. Everyone has grown up in a culture that short sells all the tools they inherit from our elders. We would like to see this paradigm change entirely through demonstrative measures.

A new society and culture is what we are going to accomplish far from the annihilation you are guaranteed to experience in a cosmopolitan revolution. If you want to survive and breed the new race come together as a multi-cellular life form not single celled.

That's how they've been killing us all along stupid goy; or should I say juden?

Right, and remind me why attacking Switzerland is suicide for any army on foot?

In the modern world it can't be done. You need a lot of people to move to a far off place to be "self-reliant." This new found notion that you can go live off the land by yourself is horse shit as humans all their exitence moved in groups and for you to be able to put in joules of work enough to survive.

I think the idea is that with the shower door closed theres no steam getting into the rest of the bathroom. Then when you step out and leave the open door will let the steam escape the bathroom.

Tennessee is our state.


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I call bullshit- we don't have the numbers necessary of hard White Men to accomplish much in this world that we need to accomplish- and we have no structure in place to make White Men hard. The Amish and Mennonites are pacifists; kind of the opposite of a National Socialist. The Boers cucked themselves by allowing niggers to be their servants- just as we did here in Dixie.


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How the hell did I pull it off then? My full time occupation right now is literally homesteading, and not "literally" like you newfags seem to be fond of saying, but literally meaning in truth. Just got done feeding my rocket stove-heated greenhouse, for example.


I think you misunderstand the reality of it- one can be active in all areas.

I guess I'll clarify by saying that I'm the guy from the last, banned thread of this type, not quite a year ago, and I put my money where my mouth is. Email me.

I do agree that running off directly does nothing about the migrants- but it serves a two-fold purpose in my case, in my plan. First is to coagulate a group of Aryans, and make them as physically fit as possible for the near future- if you do nothing but eat wild game and vegetables from perfectly-micronutrient-balanced soil, drink nothing but limestone spring water directly from the source, and do nothing but run up and down literal mountains, all day long, I thought I was /fit/ before, and I'm telling you, there is no comparison. Shooting coyotes at night with a 9mm pistol and a dollar store light, at a moment's notice upon being awakened by their calls couldn't be better training. And, I get the blissful life in which to raise many Aryan children, without having to waste so much of my time earning money, as well as the freedom and ability to move as the guerilla do- I can show up and strike fear into the heart of Antifa knowing they cannot touch me- I have no income based on having to hide the fact I am a National Socialist and indeed bring more into the fold almost daily, it seems.

These people out here, they don't have an inkling of what the migrant crisis even is, and become vehemently enraged upon learning of it. They'd love nothing more than to march side-by-side with us in support of our heritage, our race, our culture.

Both sides are needed. If I weren't willing to make myself a marked man if necessary to help stem the tide of the destruction of my Volk, so be it- I have no interest in breaking the law, and will let them break their own rules if they so intend to destroy us- if they go against their own rules, and decide to destroy me and my family, it will be as if a fist was striking water- they gain nothing, we lose nothing. They would have to raze the entire biome to be honest, and I'm not sure they even have the military capability to do that without triggering their own demise.

The gist is- throw yourselves into "collapse" right now, whether it will ever come or not- to harden yourself with austerity and triumph through one's own will and spirit. However it gets done, is irrelevant- there is no sense in arguing among brethren when it comes down to it.

I'm not trying to be a guerilla in my lifetime, not unless it is forced upon me by fate- I'm trying to breed and raise as many strong Aryan children as possible, to harden as many Aryans as possible to as great a degree as possible, and to encourage others on how they can accomplish the same with the means they have available to them- we, as warriors, must sire the next generation of warriors, or all is already lost.

Don't be a fucking defeatist, people are already starting to do it, if hippies can do it then any man worth his salt that isn't a limp wrist can build his own homestead by himself in a rural after buying land up front with dishwasher wages.

No, I disagree with your premise simultaneously with agreeing with your stated points- yes, humans move in groups, yes it takes joules to get heat energy- you move out as one large group and you use as much gas-powered machinery as practical while using hand tools to train yourself as well as fill in those areas that machinery is either too expensive or not practical- we're not going to get "prime farmland" for a Holla Forumsack's budget, but that only applies for factory farming and those who aren't willing to harden themselves for at least a time doing manual labor.

We are already doing this currently. It is already being done. We can build a house with no outside input other than hand tools we already own, mortice-and-tenon half-timber in the Fachwerkhausen style, I even make my own lime mortar from burned limestone. Do not underestimate the ingenuity of the Aryan volk. Don't fall for the blackpill. Breed white children and pare yourself down to the minimum- harden yourself to become as iron. Do the same to your children, and remain ready, decentralized, and hard, always, always hard.

Sieg Heil.

I'm not samefagging, two people on the same IP currently

Emailed.

I've been considering moving to NH in a couple of years, though it's pretty cold this week in my state (0-20F). Usually I dislike hot weather because I hate sweating, but I forgot how crappy this can be as well, especially if I have to shovel snow. I'll have to think about it more.

I'm telling y'all, eastern Tennessee is where it's at, as long as you have wool clothing. I'm not sure I'd want to wear the amount of clothing it would take to be in any colder weather than this, not too much snow to shovel, NO NIGGERS for miles and miles and miles, and it's not too hot in the summer. And did I mention, no niggers, and land prices a working man can easily afford to pay cash for?

I'm in southwest virginia and here it's fairly chilly with very few blacks outside of Roanoke

Hocking county checking in. Trying to slowly turn 30 acres of fuck-around woods into a harvestable food forest in case shit gets real.

How can you be self-reliant when you don't own property and have no money to buy overpriced land? There's a bubble since weed got legal

Don't live in a liberal area, don't fall for the dudeweed meme. There's areas of the country in which the land is so cheap, one could easily afford it by working part-time at minimum wage- or work for a year at an average wage and pay the land off all at once.
Be willing to deal with land that is made marginal by being farm-able mostly by hand as opposed to with a giant tractor- be willing to lime a couple acres with an ATV versus a tractor, and you're golden. Folks did it before with at most a fucking mule, and we have gas-powered "mules" that can do similar things to what a horse can do- you can pull logs out of the forest with a powerful rototiller, for example.


email me, I can show you how to make it run in real terms

Anti-slide bump, this is an important topic for anons- how would we expect to survive le habbening if we don't already have the knowledge to produce our own food before it happens? How are we to have mass numbers of white children without spending so much time working away from home that they end up being raised by the electric Jew??

Pic related.

The idea that self-reliance and living a simpler life is "escapism" or "defeatism" is ridiculous and counter-productive

The claim that being a "productive member of society" would help our cause and give "good optics" is plain retarded, because the system is completely controlled by (((them))). And they will NEVER show you or any true dissident movement in good optics, you should stop caring about what the kike media will react about – they’re behind, and have set up, all institutions and you will never get anywhere without being their shabbos - you will only be another cog, furthering a system bent on genociding you and your people.

You can't fight a system if you're it's slave. That’s what “Arbeit Macht Frei” means – you need to put your labor towards your self, your own betterment – not the profiting of certain (((speculators))) because of the way central banking works. The more you consume, the more you’re furthering their system, the more you have to work for your own destruction.

And when they poison our water and control even our food supply, using it to chemically alter our bodies, you HAVE to look for self-reliance. It’s our duty to bring it down. You lose nothing by not being an urbanite city-dweller, living in a packed apartment in a “culturally diverse” polluted city, having to work and “commute” for hours and pay thousands in taxes- and by not exposing your children to brainwash through mass-media and the “educational system” (homeschool your children) . Rural communities have bigger fertility rates, are closer to nature, tradition and their own families and folk. There are no adverse effects.

And to the nay-sayers, who only see problems and are too softened to think the simple life is even possible to them (dude, I need that big-flat screen TV!!!), just remember Spain only survived the Muslim onslaught because the Visigoths “ran to the hills” – there are countless similar examples of this throughout history.

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This is indeed the case. One can participate IRL to further our cause to a greater extent and to a greater effect if we maintain our health- and without being a millionaire or growing at least a good part of your own food- i.e you know the guy you get squash from, raise a surplus of good grass-fed beef, and trade up- one can't maintain the optimum of health. The equation between the cost and extreme rarity of "real" food, the hours of labor and cost investment in growing the food to the pinnacle of what humans are capable of, and the benefit of not only the food but the labor and discipline necessary to reap such a crop successfully, pays big dividends in furthering our movement.

Think of that fat weeb-looking autist Heimbach- I suppose he's trying for his heart to be in the right place, but he simply looks like a fat retard and will never be accepted by normies simply because of that fact.

Now contrast that with a group of Men, strong as bulls, sinewy and cut as if hewn from stone- which has the greater psychological effect at converting the MOST important audience- the females?? Which has the most value to the Aryan race?? You tell me.

I used to commute even when I lived right in the city. Now, I don't have a commute at all, unless I consider the 5 minutes to get to the all-White town that currently provides just about everything I need except very certain specialty products.

It isn't defeatism, it's the next step in the process that ensures White survival.

Wannabe homesteader and survivalist here. I'm still a poorfag though, so I need to get on my career game with web dev so I can generate some cashflow for some land for my homestead. The idea of living on a sustainable homestead innawoods while doing remote web dev work sounds /comfy/ as fuck to me. Having the dream to do this is one of the few things keeping from being swallowed by the black pill.

Why do White Nationalists want to kill White people who wish to meet up without them?
8ch.net/polmeta/res/28806.html

Why would Holla Forums ban a White meet up?

Why are Whites the only ethnic group that do not meet up and network?

Jewish networking
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Black networking
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Hispanic Networking
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Asian Networking
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Indian Networking
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Muslim Networking
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White Networking
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Email me nigger, we've already figured it all out as far as area, it has fiber internet, no codes. ZERO nonwhites, etc, etc through a few threads repeatedly banned as well as bunker boards for actual, thorough discourse, and I'm here, the harbinger of things to come.

I'm as poorfag as they come in a sense, and I tell you- nigger, this shit is so cheap you could get autismbux and pay for it while having money left over to live… not that I get any autismbux- email me and we can talk.

It definitely is /comfy/ now that the initial shock is over and I have a comfy place and internet to shitpost with now.

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It's not only here, niggers- it literally just happened on 4/pol: archive.is/bJ3kJ

(((someone))) REALLY doesn't like the idea of us homesteading and producing white children without being under the thumb of the money-economy kikes: it means we are on the right track. - my right-hand man just read an article out of a ((think-tank)) out of the UK- they are AFRAID of whites meeting up.

I've already had a Holla Forums meetup- one person showed up other than 'us'- but that person was of utmost quality. There have been honest operations by other anons that have been D&C- calling everyone they don't like "TRS" or the like.

They want to shut down Holla Forums- the way they would do it is through a false-flag operation- encouraging nothing more than the National Socialist equivalent of premature ejaculation, as opposed to actually doing what would benefit our Volk in the long run.


To be completely frank and honest, I've been working towards the aim of this thread and to be able to extend it to all anons that wish to be a part of it, and are willing to be vetted and tested and untrusted until proven worthy- it has been shut down many, many times.

I know this isn't going to reach many ears- but you blackpilled anons out there in TV land- I'm here right now- save my email- I will do the shill filtering necessary to pick the diamonds among the astroturf and turkshit that makes up the majority of posters if not the majority of decent, thinking Aryans on this board- or should I say this MOVEMENT- for that is what we are- a volkisch MOVEMENT that is trying to coalesce the remaining non-lost elements of our race into an environment where we can grow stronger in both spirit and in numbers- there's a million girls who yearn for this at the core of their being- and bringing them into the fold means more White, redpilled children for the future- which is the MOST important thing we can do right now other than self-improvement and spreading our message of Eternal Truth.


Sieg Heil. Do not lose hope- those who seek will find what they seek.

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Another thing to look into if you're into aquaponics is 'biofloc'. Basically, rather than keeping the water clear, you grow a very high amount nitrate processing bacteria (nitrosomas/nitrobacter) which clean the water of ammonia and provide the fish with food from bacterial flocculations. I'm more experience with saltwater shrimp, but the process works well with tilapia, and I'd guess catfish.

Another thing to look into is a process called pyrolysis (heat-cracking hydrocarbons) to make your own fuel, or at the very least something to make it go a bit further. Basically you just heat biomass/rubber/plastic in an oxygen free container and and collect the distillate. The usual catalyst is zeolite, but I've seen some papers saying that clay can work. Mix feedstock and catalyst, then heat.

Well, what's your email? I haven't seen it dropped here.
Have you ever heard of aircrete domes? Or earthships? I've only heard of these style of homes recently and they seem great. Especially the aircrete seems like a cheap, very durable, and easy to build structure for anything from a workshop to a home.
I'm a pnw poor wagefag who wants to get into this lifestyle just isn't entirely certain what do yet.

That's what i thought when i saw this thread. Kampfy hates these self-help / self-improvement threads that actually make a difference. inb4 404

Yeah well I checked the catalog and it's the other Mod or imkampfy's sockpuppet, I'll say no more because playing ignorant generally leads to better results. So anyways does anyone have speed reading and git gud at writing for retards?

His namefield contains his email address

*have anything for speed reading and git gud at writing for retards?

I've actually done work with biofloc in effect, although I did it for koi, and I used it in a manner that consisted of a managed fish overpopulation, a giant area of plastic scraps/surface area in the waterfall filter, and a drain on the waterfall bucket thing- it caught all the biofloc and I used it for plant fertilizer to grow leafy greens- otherwise I would have dumped it out. I didn't know that was a thing- the bacteria damn sure grow and floc the water very well.

That's interesting about the catalyst, this is something I've been wanting to experiment with for a long time- I have a small amount of zeolite and an unlimited amount of quality clay- also unlimited free wood kindling available for that matter, and I have experience running vehicles off methanol/alternative fuels, methanol for racing, veggie oil cuz I'm a cheap bastard and in the summer in the Deep South where I grew up, veggie oil runs fine straight with no conversion in cheap ass 80s Mercedes diesels- might coke up the injectors, but when gas was 4 bucks a gallon or whatever and injectors 100 bucks a set, cheaper than gas.


See reply, trying to not get too many offers from nigerian princes to my anonymous email. I'm looking into building houses half-timber style, it was the evolution of what we have to work with on the land and the research I did- it's made with green wood with clay filling in between the walls and lime mortar- I burned a batch of limestone for mortar not that long ago and that shit makes the clay get HARD.

The domes are cool as FUCK I think, I've heard of earthships but they're a bit weird and unfeasible in what amounts to a rainforest- but I'm basically poor as fuck because all my cash goes into minerals to improve the land (phosphate, etc) and I have unlimited timber and clay, and love hard work.


I dunno, practice and nootropics maybe? I'm not one of those people that worry about the grammar and such of writing, it's more about the content and intent behind it- and I value being able to learn how to do things in the real world from raw materials- turning a tree into a house- has as much or more value than book learning- and I have book learning coming out of my ears, I keep a habit of reading at least one non-fiction book a day if possible- if Hitler can do it, I can do it.

Anabaptists are the only whites with a growing population.


This is exactly correct, and even understates how dramatic the effect of rural self-sufficient living is on people. People just naturally become psychologically strong and resilient to jewish influence when providing for themselves, and they do so very quickly. You see people come from the city and go from diversity true believers to "gas the kikes" in a few months.


Holy shit that is retarded "advice". Fuck all that braindead nonsense. Get open pollinated seeds so you can save seeds instead of buying them every year. Apply as much compost as you can make every year. The end. Nothing else matters at all. Hoarding phosphate fertilizer is the most idiotic thing I can think of.

I agree with your first two assertions, and I used to agree with the last assertion- it is much, much more complicated than that, if you are shooting for the highest nutrition levels possible or the highest yield possible- I do not mean to start an 'argument' as your sort is the type I respect most out of the normal "farmers" or "gardeners", and think the most in-line with.

Where I grew up, our soil was already ruined- literally no nutrients whatsoever. It'd grow a bit of grass or native forest, but that's it- the old-growth had already been destroyed and the soil eroded away before the current forests even existed. Compost prepared from animal or plant products from this land wouldn't grow much more than a paltry yield of leafy greens, no matter what I did- it's because the compost tended to have a hair of nitrogen, but not much else.

The advice above is sort of a "redux" or "prepper" version, and the whole phosphate issue is because of "peak phosphorus"- find the article "Life's Bottleneck" by Isaac Asimov if you wish to find a simple explanation of it- basically phosphate is the limiting factor in the growth of life, and (((Morocco))) is the primary repository for phosphate in the world.

Phosphate, along with every other element, can be recycled indefinitely on a farm scale- if it exists in the first place. Phosphate is what gives you a yield- the problem I have finding a "good" phosphate source is the radioactivity.

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My "preferred" manner of amending soils is to do a detailed test of the native soil, and to feed those elements that a cover crop of say winter rye and hairy vetch in the fall season, needs to grow effectively- compost is WONDERFUL, I compost literally everything up to and including my own shit, so nothing leaves the land- but if a literal chemical element is not present, and is needed or would be beneficial, it doesn't come from some "ethereal" source but from either somewhere on the land itself or something one adds to the land- be it compost or otherwise.

If one added compost to impoverished land, that came from perfectly balanced land, your assertion would be 100% true- the balanced land compost would eventually straighten out the soil- but not all of us are that lucky, and I'm not taking a chance on my children getting a goiter or some such because there is 0% iodine present, for example.

Getting back to phosphate- it is the substance that allowed yields to progress from a family of 4 needing 120 acres in medieval times, to being able to feed 6 or 7 from an intensively cultivated acre- but is being pissed away and lost to the ocean wholesale by modern agriculture- we have enough to make the whole fucking world a permaculture garden and go so far as to reverse desertification and such- but we piss it into our rivers and oceans to grow GMO corn, causing dead zones in the ocean.

Phosphate is literally required for DNA synthesis, so every compost will contain some amount of phosphate- but just as one won't be healthy if they eat a completely unbalanced but "organic" diet of nothing but "organic" breakfast cereal from (((Whole Foods))), one isn't necessarily restoring the land to the greatest effective degree using only compost from your land and nothing else- the Permaculture Designer's Manual even advocates using commercial triple superphosphate if a non-radioactive source of phosphate rock cannot be found- and most of it is quite rich in thorium, uranium, and radium, something I'd rather not have on my land.

We the people.

when someone drives a car and strives to be the fastest and make first place and win, are they attacked and shamed for being racist?
when someone lifts a heavy weight and struggles to be the strongest, do people demand they be weaker so that they may be more fair to everyone else?
when someone gives their sweat, blood, and tears to protect their own family, their own people, and their own country, must they apologize for wanting to be free and safe?

loving your own people and your own country does not mean that you hate everyone else. it's okay to be white. you are not guilty of a crime for being the best you can be. you are not a monster for wanting a better world for your grandchildren. you are not a disease for spreading good ideas to your countrymen. you are you. do the best you can to be the best you can. help those around you be the best they can too.

We are often told that Holla Forums is always right, but to be truly honest we must give credit where credit is due. God is always right, and it is God who has chosen us to drink memes from the breast of life. it is God who guides us through this maze of darkness and deception, and it is God who will save us from those who hate the innocent.

it is highly unlikely that the board owner and mods on Holla Forums and similarly named boards on similar chan sites are not working for shareblue/another shill agency linked to the dnc and the un/eu/globalists.

Holla Forums mods are compromised globalist shills who censor you if you get too close to the truth. if you post anything they disagree with, even if it's a commonly accepted opinion on Holla Forums or anything else that gets them assblasted (((like calling out shills that are literally in every single thread))), or for no real reason at all just to piss you off, they will delete all your posts and all your threads and then ban you.

question everyone until you find out who you are not allowed to question.

we are being targeted and subverted by multiple disinformation terrorist shill cells who hate us for telling the truth, and simply being who we are.

if it's the same for (((them))) then the Holla Forums mods are (((them))). eventually you will post something or start a thread and you will be censored and banned even if you did not break a single rule on Holla Forums. the ban reason will always be some fake fucking reason like "spam" or "unspecified reason". if you are in doubt, it isn't because this can't happen to you. it only means that it has not yet happened to you.

I am one of you, so don't bitch that you're being raided. all it takes is a look at /polmeta/ and /sudo/ to see just how many of us are being censored and banned every day by corrupt mods. the very founding reasons for Holla Forums "politically incorrect" "freedom of speech" are being torn down from above by the corrupt moderators and undermined from below by shills. because of our corrupt mods who are the biggest censorship loving sellouts in the entire world, Holla Forums is being ruined.

all that has been struggled for will be lost as Holla Forums can not function the way things are.

/polk/ is the same mods pretending to be different people. past migration efforts have all failed because we don't have the hivemind and the unity to make the move all at once. I don't care what new Holla Forums type board we all choose to migrate to but we need to make a good choice and then just make the move all together. the reason why everyone is getting banned all the time is because we have been subverted and manipulated.

who would have guessed that the very mods in charge of the board with the most freedom of speech on the entire internet that gives NO SHITS about political correctness would be some of the most CUCKED mods we have ever experienced?

this bullshit-banning has to fucking stop. we need the freedom to post the truth without being punished.

Impeach the cucked Holla Forums mods.

God bless donald trump. God bless america.

never forget the connection that Holla Forums has to /x/

Another example would be copper- you only need grams per acre and it can be infinitely recycled through composting- but if there are zero copper atoms, there are zero copper atoms- the plants might grow but you're always going to have fungal diseases and slight but noticeable deficiency symptoms, same as if a human got everything they needed but zero vitamin c- they would eventually get scurvy.

The "organic" solution is to spray WAAAAYYY too much "organic fungicide" when the blight inevitably comes- the organic fungicide being an overdose of copper, that would be better applied at the exact proper, very very low rate- preventing the diseases from taking much hold to begin with.


The diseases are the other part of the equation- I grow OP seeds almost exclusively- I say almost, because when I cross two varieties of something by hand-pollination, I am technically creating a hybrid, even though the goal is to eventually select down to my own OP variety. With tomatoes specifically, late blight as well as septoria is becoming a BIG problem and I refuse both the commercial technique of spraying ineffective-in-the-long-run cancer-y fungicides, and the pleb-"organic" method of overdosing everything on copper at the last minute, after a whole season of having none. I prefer inherent disease resistance.

Late blight will literally kill off the ability to grow non-resistant heirloom tomatoes outside of a greenhouse some time in the next 10 years- I am responding by creating my own, new OP heirlooms that are at least heterozygous for the blight resistance genes, as there is literally no such thing as a blight resistant "good" tomato- although Dr. Kapuler of Peace Seeds is doing good with his (I think it's called Geranium Kiss tomato?) that is a different line than your standard, shitty, but homozygous for blight resistant Iron Lady. The old guy at WV created two OP tomato lines that was homozygous-triple-resistant for early blight, late blight, and septoria- it was his life's work, and I see no reason to not carry it forward.

I wish I could really post the "proof of the pudding" so to speak, really knock your socks off with some pictures, but I'm not taking the chance on doxxing myself- email me and we can discuss further without animosity.

I'll leave you with this:
media.8ch.net/file_dl/bce5d8babdb94d239e78df2a54e2b2c5107b406ecc606e22205c9f516f8abc70.pdf/animalhealth.pdf

This is William Albrecht's foundation work, and was one of the works that inspired the modern organic movement.


I agree with you in a sense- they can never contain our spirit, for we are on the path seeking Truth, and Truth is the sun that illuminates the lies lurking in the shadows.

MULCH YOU NIGGERS

If you niggers aren't mulching your garden, I don't know what the fuck you're doing. Tilling is for virgins. Use the natural composting process to your advantage, and don't leave your soil exposed and naked.

I have a slightly tangential question to ask. Right now I am a student and this whole "living independently" thing will be unrealistic for the next few years. Until then, how do I stop powerlevelling ZOG?

First of all, I try to buy as much produce and foodstuff at the local farmers market and not at supermarkets. I try to ask myself the question "is there anywhere non-supermarket, non "ethnic" where I can buy the same item?" and usually it exists but is far away and I do my best to get over there.

What else can I be doing?

Agreed- I have tillage equipment (two-wheeled tractor with a rotary plow)- but it's only for initial terracing of the land, and will likely be sold when I finish- mulch doubles my yield of winter squash at least, with perfectly balanced soil on both of the plots- ran out of my weed-seed-free hay so I left a patch for a "mulch test plot".

When the soil is exposed to air, nitrogen will always dissipate, phosphate will always weather out, and your soil will slowly die.
If you mulch, the rain is slowed down, and has more time to "soak" the solublized nutrients deeper into the soil, as opposed to leaching out and going down the river.

Those soluble nutrients will encourage bacterial growth, which cascades up the food-chain and enriches and deepens the "topsoil" layer deep into the subsoil- they encourage the quick breakdown into humus of the remaining crop residue after harvest- life always draws life.

William Albrecht determined that any defect in plant growth, can be traced to a lack of organic matter, a lack of macronutrients, or a lack of micronutrients- and these results extend to the animals that eat said produce- including humans. Enough everything minus organic matter is fatal, and similarly with every element a plant needs to grow- unless you call growing a mediocre crop in utterly dead soil "growth".

not getting rid of the initial cutting of the land for mulch purposes was one of the hardest things to get across to folks at my farm- they only now are beginning to see the results with their own eyes as the first small harvests of greens start to come in


Perhaps harvest little bits of wild things as you can; perhaps get good at shoplifting those things that you can't avoid- or ringing them up as "potatoes" at the self-checkout at minimum. Buy staples in extreme bulk- potatoes by the 50lb sack, same with sweet potatoes and onions and rice- cut out a set of middlemen.
Find nut trees and learn how to preserve the nuts for future storage- you can keep years of "prep" food, for free, by scrounging nut trees, and similarly with fruit trees if you can or dry or otherwise preserve the produce.

Something a lot of people don't seem to think about it is the workman you hire. Either actively (a plumber, for example) or passively (the guy at the factory who made your wrench). With the internet, we can (and need to) do everything we can to do business with only fellow Aryans and preferably to ensure they follow best practices where ever possible (that is to say, don't buy garbage just because the idiot hucking it is white).

Self sufficiency is always a nice goal to works towards, but when interacting with the economy, always try to do it in a way that benefits our own. Cash transactions with individual craftsmen also provide other ways to being detrimental to ZOG, but that's best left to your own imagination. White factories, white products, white workers should be your mantra whenever making any purchase. Even in the nastiest GRIDS infested hellhole, you can still support your brothers by post in this way, and hopefully, help finance the building of the skills we'll need to well and truly stand on our own. As it's worth reminding everyone, every generation we lose skills to attrition. Unless we ensure whites are out there practising things that aren't perhaps the most profitable in this jewish led nightmare, we're going to find ourselves without them when we need them most. It could very well lead to a modern dark age, as skills simply aren't being passed down any more, and where they do still exist will be backwards brown countries not all that keen to share that experience with us. Keeping these ideas and skills alive is something all of us can be doing, and it's importance can't be stressed enough.

I know why he is babbling like a retard about phosphorus, it just doesn't matter to someone wanting to grow their own food. It is dumb because you already have more than you will ever need. Who gives a shit what happens to agri-corps that are dependent on phosphate fertilizers? And how would a private person stockpiling it save them anyways? They are using up a resource. It will run out, and they will have to stop using it up. The end.

The myth that a family of 4 needed an entire carucate is complete nonsense. And most of our gains in yield have been due to developing better yielding strains of crops. Grow a medieval spelt and you're going to need a lot of land still, phosphate has fuck all to do with it. Increased atmospheric CO2 has done more for crop yields. All phosphates did is make it so we could cheat and not need to let land recover, we can farm it non-stop. Look at the increasing yields over time. We were already way ahead of medieval production by the 1700s, and phosphate fertilization didn't come along until the 1800s.

The proof *is* in the pudding, that's the point. Lots of people have shown this already. Taking completely barren dead ground that can't grow anything and turning it into a maximally yielding garden in a year with nothing but compost. It is dead simple, completely fool proof, and always works. No need to pay for soil tests, no need to buy fertilizers, and no risk of lowering yields by over applying the wrong fertilizers. Tiny changes in things like zinc and copper can cause serious problems.

Compost contains everything you need. If your soil can't grow grass, it isn't because it lacks copper or phosphorus, it is because it lacks organic matter. So go collect a few trailer loads of sticks, leaves, weeds, grass, fish guts or whatever and dump it in a pile. You just took nutrients from somewhere else, fixing any nutrient deficiency you may have, and now you create a huge bacterial and fungal colony to inhabit your soil by composting it. From then on, as long as everything that comes out of your garden goes back in, you are fine. Sure, you will lose a little potassium in sweat that doesn't make it to your garden, but birds will fly by and shit on your garden anyways more than making up the difference.

Anybody have recommendations for fencing? I've got about an acre of friend's property I'm going to fix up and I'm going to need something to keep rabbits, coyote, or any other pests out. I've been recommended electric fence and laying a hedge, but how long would it take to grow a natural fence? I've even been recommended bamboo, but I fear it would turn into a grove, not a fence. Still, a nice patch of bamboo would be sweet.

It's strange, in a specific sense, I agree with you, and in other specific senses, I can't due to my knowledge- your heart is in the right place, and you aren't "wrong" in anything except the whole elemental thing- phosphorus is literally necessary to form DNA, and soil poor in phosphate won't yield. Phosphate can be obtained from fish guts or human shit for that matter, but elements can't come out of "thin air", if that makes any sense.

Manure use was using phosphate in a sense- nitrogen can be effectively gained through legumes, the "main point" of concentrating and conserving manures and composts is to preserve the phosphate content of the land.

The soil I grew up with, had 1 pound of phosphate per acre. To grow grass to be good enough to not kill a goat without supplemental food, I had to get it to 10 pounds an acre- which I did back then by feeding them "good" hay until the grass got lush from their shit- and the main reason discovered in my scientific studying.

I've worked as a consultant for organic operations many times where it just "didn't work"- it was because their free compost was from a location where things were fucked up and unbalanced by using agribusiness chemicals they had no business using- and added huge amounts of lime to make the shit not stink, fucking up the calcium/magnesium balance and driving the pH above 8 by doing nothing but adding composted horse manure.

This is true, and would be true forever if we weren't wasting every bit and flushing it into the ocean- if we flushed ALL the phosphate into the ocean somehow, from every patch of soil everywhere, all life on land would die off until seabirds shat enough on the land to bring back that one limiting factor to the production of DNA.
It yields an order of magnitude better if your soil is balanced, however one got to that point.
This is why I am concerned about making damned sure things are balanced EXACTLY right- what if the compost I got had too much zinc and not enough copper, threw the balance off, and eventually killed everything but weeds?


This is rather easy, if you have good compost- it is a far different manner if there's no such thing as "good compost" within several hundred miles of where you are, and you have to make your own. Think of something already ruined by idiots as opposed to virgin land- some folks here in the US, only ever had access to just that, and figured it out.

A quote from Steve Solomon from the book "Growing Vegetables West of the Cascades" that sums up what I'm trying to get across-
"Chemically unbalanced soils grow plants of lowered and unbalanced nutritional content. Unbalanced grasses fed to livestock produce poor manure. Chemically unbalanced plants combined with weak, unbalanced manures make unbalanced compost. Adding unbalanced manure or compost to already unbalanced soil makes the soil become even more unbalanced."

The fact that almost inevitably such unbalanced grass or manure results from farmers using "10-10-10" fertilizers instead of doing the right thing is a point of agreement between us- the point I'm trying to make, is that it is indeed possible, if necessary, to get what amounts to rock and mineral powders, and begin the process of soil evolution from pioneer plants and archea-type bacteria that produce acids to reduce the rock into nutrients for the plant's health and growth, to the enrichment of the soil by the organic matter that is produced by the stimulation of the biological cycle. It is an absolute fact that plants need a certain number of elements to compose their cells from, and that the limiting factor is inevitably the excess or complete lack of one or more elements, organic matter being one of the most important thereof.

I took that without research- I cannot fathom how it would take that much, but could imagine that being the case if they had to let things "fallow" instead of pushing things with cover crops and leguminous trees.

Almost ALL soil testing is pozzed to the point of not meaning literally anything at all, due to the fact that (((diversity hires))) and (((universities))) are most often responsible for doing the testing- it would be better to not test than get a wrong test, and just "read" the plants, to see if they have what they need.

I think we're misunderstanding each other a bit, I agree with every single point you make just about- I just ascertain from the conversation that perhaps you've never remediated something horribly chemically unbalanced- like saline desert soil that was utterly ruined by factory farming, or soil that has so little nutrition it can barely support wildlife- I have spent my life doing just that. The only point I'm trying to make, is that there is such a thing as "bad" compost- an example would be, do you really want to feed your crops with what comes out of a CAFO operation- and there is a such thing as soil that is just about perfect except lacking one tiny little element- like what I have now- that leads farmers to just assume "this soil is blighted, it's no good anymore" as opposed to "your dumb ass thought bagged 10-10-10 fertilizer would be any sort of a sustainable solution to anything- this land natively already has so much nutrition except one or two critical elements, you would kill everything on the land if you even applied a hair too much weak manure, due to the fact that it already has so much nitrogen due to the leguminous trees and abundant nitrification bacteria present in the ecosystem"

The elements can't come out of thin air, due to the laws of conservation of matter- but the place where such things belong is indeed added to the compost pile- you know about composting, think of it like the C/N ratio, where if you have too much carbon and not enough nitrogen, it won't compost- too much nitrogen and not enough carbon, you're losing it to offgassing.

I've been growing 90% of my calories for years, and trading food for the other 10% I don't produce as well as my friends do- phosphate is the primary limiting factor on the land- I have 10% organic matter content, plenty of nitrogen, plenty of potash, just not much phosphate and a bit low in zinc and copper, so in my case, manure from the same area would make the zinc/copper balance worse, and not add enough phosphate to make things grow, while adding way too much nitrogen and potash which would kill everything at even low levels, unless I composted it for several years to actually let the nitrogen and potash leach.

This is exactly how it operates- although I challenge you to grow grass in soil that contains 0 PPM of any of the macro-or-micronutrients- the tests have already been done, like a person getting a goiter or scurvy or a similar deficiency- which, except for things like sailors on long voyages and the like, are usually the result of eating mainly produce from impoverished soil.

Depends on what you're trying to prevent primarily- electric works- netting for rabbits, barbed wire is cheap but won't stop rabbits. Hedge- poncirus trifolata 'Flying Dragon' is my favorite, as the fruits are delicious and deer can't even get through it. Bamboo works but requires plate steel to contain, and plate steel is expensive when you're talking about acres.

Don't know about rabbits but raccoons cross through galvanized steel Chicken wire if set properly and is cheep too.

*raccoons can't cross through

backyardnature.net/phosphor.htm

Here's an article that goes through the basics of what I am trying to express about phosphorus- though one would be EXTREMELY irresponsible to use anything containing phosphate (which includes all compost), without ensuring it cannot leach, due to the abundant organic matter to adsorb the phosphate and keep it in the cycle of life on your land.

You stockpile it in your soil, and you get it however you can- I recommend and currently stockpile storable phosphate sources for the benefit of others that may need it, it's literally the one thing other than composting and grams per acre of copper and zinc I would need to convert extra raw land into extremely productive land capable of feeding people that year, and capable of retaining that fertility indefinitely- I'd rather my children's children not starve as opposed to being a complete purist, if that makes any sense.

Part of how I learned about this is large-scale market gardening- I could grow my own food easily, and keep it self-sustaining by not wasting a bit of nutrients- but if I were to give or sell vegetables and they did not return every ounce of shit and piss to me that resulted from those vegetables, I'm losing phosphorus if not organic matter- I have and produce spare organic matter in spades.


Interesting, and a good idea, I did not know that- I do know they won't cross a patch of squash to get to the corn they would otherwise destroy.

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isaac is a jew

Which is why you don't need to worry about it. By definition compost will contain plenty of it. Soil poor in phosphate stops being poor in phosphate when covered in compost, that's the point. Nobody suggested it can come from thin air, I suggested you are constantly surrounded by a huge abundance of it, you don't need to buy it from jews.

Unless you live in the middle of a desert, there is good compost near you. It is absurd to pretend that this is an issue at all. If you live in the middle of a desert, you are retarded and have much bigger issues to deal with.

Using brown stuff that some industrial waste processor calls compost is not the same as using compost. This is like saying "eating food doesn't always work" to provide calories, and giving some starving African eating dirt as an example. Dirt is not food. Never buy compost, you have no idea what is in it.

Yes, it yields better if you have the proper nutrients. That does not support your claim that phosphate fertilizers are why we need so much less land to feed people now. As I said, most of our gains came before and after superphosphates become standard. They were just one tiny blip in the long climb in yield rates.

Compost *is* organic matter, which is precisely why you don't need to do anything to ensure it can't leach. And why you can't overdose or imbalance your nutrients badly if you use it and only it. You have so much bulk organic matter, and an entire ecosystem of bacteria, fungi and nematodes keeping the nutrients cycling in your soil instead of being lost.

Your assumption is incorrect. I have done just that, and it is how I eat. You don't even need soil to start with, I have done it using styrofoam to demonstrate to people the simple fact that the dirt doesn't matter, the ecosystem in it does. You killed your soil life, so now your soil is dead. Adding ground rocks to your soil won't fix that, soil is ground rocks. You need to add life. You can literally take shredded styrofoam, add compost, and have a flourishing abundant garden.

There is no soil that contains 0PPM of any macro or micro nutrients. And again, you are just saying I am right but you don't want me to be.

You must have misread. Phosphorus is not a problem for whatever we should actually call "homesteaders". It is only a problem for agricorps who are throwing it all away. Why would we care that they will eventually run out? And why would us stockpiling it ourselves change anything? We don't need to stockpile it, we have it already. And we don't care that agricorps will eventually run out of it.

Yes, you do lose tiny amounts of nutrients by selling produce. It does not matter. Your soil is rocks. Rocks that are in a constant state of slowly being broken down and made available to plants by nematodes and bacteria. It would take tens of thousands of years for you to have a nutrient deficiency from selling produce as long as you maintain a thriving ecosystem. Someone else shits out those nutrients somewhere else, but worms eat that shit, and birds eat those worms, and birds shit all over the place. Nutrients are redistributed plenty fast enough to maintain a permaculture system indefinitely. Industrial farming is always running out of nutrients because it is cheaper to let the soil die, lose all your nutrients, and just keep buying more of them. We don't care about cheaper, we care about sustainable. So we don't have to behave in a self-destructive manner like that.

I agree, I hate his philosophy that is expounded through some of his knowledge- but he wrote the most pleb-friendly article on phosphorus I'm aware of, that I haven't been able to find- I remember reading it in an old magazine when I was young.

I did enjoy reading the Foundation trilogy years ago though.

I said knowledge somehow when I meant to say his novels- forgive me for flu-posting

Ya, the limiting factor in biofloc is surface area for the bacteria to cling to; but not all plastics allow for the bacteria to actually hold on, even if it feels rough to the touch.

Depending on how comfortable you are working with pressurized hydrocarbons, I'm fairly certain that the process can produce usable gasoline (or the rough ratio of hydrocarbons) by the conversion of methanol in the presence of zeolite (5a?).


Every great man has read The Republic (plato). Studying Philosophy has greatly improved my reading and writing ability; I'd be happy to provide a reading list if anyone is interested,

Mulch doesn't when your soil underneath is very damp, you need to Till to dry the soil ,too much water kills.

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dumping some good images and posts
already said some of this in a very similar thread but it's being ignored like it's been shadow hidden from the rest of Holla Forums like a thread getting shadow banned or something.

here's some pretty good guidelines on what to do and what to avoid to help yourself survive better regardless of where you are (normal life or anything more exciting) stay safe and stay smart.


switch to a natural fluoride free toothpaste from wholefoods or something because fluoride fucks with your thyroid and hormones and endocrine system and it could and probably does cause cancer in a lot of people as a result and they probably never realize why, but besides that the hormone fuckery is enough to make you get fat and stay fat for no good reason. stop using teflon, copper, and aluminum pans and other cookware and use only pyrex and stainless steel cookware. make sure your spoons/forks/knifes are stainless steel too.

stop using storebought deodorant full of aluminum and other shit and make your own.

stop using laundry detergent and fabric softener and buy that natural organic stuff in the giant green bottle.
stop using house/car freshners and plugins and fuhbreeze spray bullshit all over your fucking house. hang little cotton bags of lavender flowers and cloves/cinnamon sticks instead.
stop dying your hair with harsh chemicals
stop using makeup that is full of chemicals.
stop using shampoo and soap full of chemicals.
stop using lotion and moisturizer with chemicals.
there is better natural hair and skin care and makeup products out there.
bathe with castile soap/african black soap and baking soda (aluminum free) and white vinegar. moisturize your skin with coconut oil/un-refined shea butter. brush your hair with small amounts of coconut oil as conditioner and trim your ends often.

if you eat garbage food and have acne, stop eating that and switch to a plant based diet and drink alot of water and sleep with a clean towel over your pillow every night.
if you have a cell phone, put it on speaker and hold it away from your body when talking. don't use bluetooth or wireless headsets because it's the same thing as having it up in your face. don't sleep with your wifi router next to your bed, keep it in another room.
stop holding your fucking cellphone in between your boobs. fucking stop, it isn't cute.
stop carrying your cell phone near your crotch or in your back pocket. turn the phone off to the best of your ability and find a cheap cell signal blocking fabric velcro pocket case to keep it in and then turned off, put it in your pocket. I don't care if this reduces the entire country to a society of people who "beep" each other with instant text messages that check their phone every few minutes or once per hour, just fucking make the change.

stop using sunscreen full of cancer causing chemicals. get a very very big hat that casts your whole body in shade and eat alot of antioxidant rich foods every day so that you have internal sunblock (look this up)
buy non-gmo and local organic/non-gmo foods to avoid as much pesticide exposure as possible. don't buy from a local farm that can't prove it's organic or non-gmo or pesticide free, because they are probably full of shit or working for monsanto or conagra or dupont or syngenta etc. and possibly buying their things from them. find the cheapest things at wholefoods, and don't buy the scams. buying food online is also a good option.
when you drive your car or ride as a passenger suggest to leave the windows closed and use the air conditioner inside with "air circulate recycle" on inside so you breath interior air only so that you don't breath the exaust of the passing 400 different cars on the road/highway.
stay away from people who smoke.
don't stand near the microwave or induction cooktops, better yet don't even eat food or drink water that comes from them, ever.
don't eat at any fucking restaurants ever because you have no damn idea the things they do to your food back there or the bullshit the corporations allow added to the food.

quote from an user in the thread:


>there are even some people that make their own home made hammock beds. they get the hammock rope type material and stretch it out in a giant flat bed shape on a wood frame. I have seen guides for this all over hooktube.com/ and it's better than a hammock because it lets you lie down more flat than a hammock. beware that these are all home made builds and nobody has any idea how severely dangerous they may be. also remember that anything that's a hammock or like a hammock or involving ropes is extremely dangerous for babies and small children and the elderly (and everyone else too)

stop reusing plastic containers and bottles that aren't meant to be reused.
stop using plastic containers and bottles that you aren't sure what kind of plastic they are made of.
stop microwaving or heating any kinds of plastic, and also stop leaving plastic inside your car.
if there is any plastic in your life, make sure that it's BPA and BPS free, or at the very least make sure it IS made out of HDPE (high density polyethylene) which is among some of the less dangerous plastics if you use it properly and don't abuse it.
always read the ingredients on everything before you buy it, no excuses.

ALL these things add up. people wonder like fucking retards why they get all these problems but they can't even begin to realize all the horrible things they are getting cucked with as a result of evil people taking advantage of their ignorance.

I'm Not a doctor or a nutritionist. Ask your doctor and nutritionist before doing or stopping anything.

requesting an english translation nazi fitness manual if anyone has it.

be careful, some mulch is fully of harsh chemicals they add to keep it looking a certain color and fresh.

I grew up in what I call a "pine desert", so I did have problems large enough for me to GTFO and find the richest soil possible. That being said, I learned a lot about the whole issue growing up there- pine chip compost won't grow much other than pine trees, and the subsoil is made of decomposed pine-trees and oxisol (the most weathered soil) until it hit granite bedrock where I was raised.
I've seen it, I've tested it over and over to verify- the soil is so thin that it barely supports pine trees, and just about every drop of all nutrition is already present in the standing forest- when they clear land, they pulp all the trees, leaving soil that in some case literally does contain 0 PPM calcium and the like- they stole it all and there wasn't much to begin with- I say this because I have my own spectrometer and can do the mehlich-3 extractable analysis myself.


I hate that shit, kills the soil bacteria- superphosphate isn't nearly as bad as triple superphosphate, but I generally hate phosphate rock- I do like tennessee brown phosphate and guano for a high- P source, and incorporate the guano into my compost for that specific purpose.

It can be, if you really HAD to, you could flee to appalachia with a small bag of diammonium phosphate, seed, and a chainsaw- and the DAP would get your cover crops by until the wood compost/hugel started really breaking down and get some organic matter built up above and beyond what exists naturally- these are the oldest mountains in the world, they have just about everything you would need except for that, and I wouldn't recommend someone to just hope they find a cave with guano in it- when I know that one application of DAP would top their land up with phosphate for now and the future, if they were careful.

That being said, you cleared things up a bit- what you are saying is completely correct in most situations, perhaps I'm biased a bit because of growing up along the oldest mountain chain on earth, the most weathered soil, that has long leached anything life hasn't been able to hold onto- and phosphate, in my specific case, is the limiting factor as to my growing things- in almost all cases, it tends to be organic matter and nitrogen, which is the primary constituents of compost.

Don't think I'm supporting industrial agriculture or anything- I'm saying that my compost grows much better vegetables if I add a good bit of guano from a nearby cave, and my analysis determined it was primarily the high level of phosphate that did it.

Am I making sense? I am rather ill at the moment so I may be a bit off in how I am expressing things- but I do know that the general gist of what I'm trying to get across is truth, just as the general gist of what you're trying to get across is also truth- if that makes any sense.

Truce? We can continue the debate, however- we're educating anons on the intricacies of how modern agronomy is cucked been there, done that and how limited our knowledge of nature indeed is- I try to further my own education by science, and by science, I mean my own experimentation and my own analysis and synthesis of the problems and solutions. And my research has gotten me higher yields than the agribusinesses, with no spraying anything, no irrigation, no tilling (I did use a power harrow but that does about as much as scratching a bit with a hand cultivator except faster), and I got 40k bushels per acre of sweet potatoes, without depleting the soil whatsoever- I know that it takes a couple pounds of minerals per acre I sell, keep an eye on it, and make sure it gets returned to the soil.


Seconded times 10, I make my own laundry soap though, from washing soda, borax, and castile soap.

I would add, to get whatever wild game you possibly can, if that means eating squirrel stew- as opposed to eating the shit they sell in the stores- if I can't see where the animals come from or I didn't raise it myself, and it's not wild game, I won't eat it. Grass fed only, no vaccines for the animal, no worm medicine, nada, nothing- I'd sooner eat nothing but sweet potatoes, and I'm pretty damned carnivorous.


Mulch at stores (the colored shit), has about as much to do with real mulch, as food at stores has to do with "real food"- not to mention it's completely fucked up that they grind cypress swamps to dust to make the shit.

Avoid anything artificial inside topically applied consumables that are oil based ESPECIALLY. Lotions, creams, etc. Oil absorbs / permeates into your skin much better than anything else. This is why you DO NOT apply anything oil/fat based onto your skin after getting chemical burns or maced.

Also, if you handle large amounts of receipt paper often, you might want to wash your hands more so you don't turn gay.

I remember that study.

Fuck your shitty caption, that user knows what's up.
Here's the superior version.

not really sure but I think they both say the same thing user.

It's the same but with the date and not immaturely adding red bold text skew the perception of the user's credibility.

if you're smart then you will understand.

The difference is that one has the timestamp cropped out, never do that with a cap if at all possible. But they're otherwise the same post. Speaking of holistic approaches I feel amazing after eating some bananas and cod liver oil, since winter time means the sun is out for a very short time I never expected it to work as well as it does. The problem is that I wolf down the fruit too quickly to make them last me more then a few days.

you can get your vitamin A from spinach and vitamin D3 from a plant based organic supplement. fish oil is fucking horrible for you.

been here forever but never did understand why timestamp is important for good advice. doesn't matter when it was posted as long as it's relevant information right? or am I missing something?

It is the old ways of my ancestors, and I trust absolutely none of the plant based supplements in my town.

Anyone can edit the post and so long as there are no artifacts nobody could verify if that was what was posted or not. It's more difficult with a timestamp because if there is an archive you can go back and check. This is basic stuff.

Cod liver oil is amazing- I will agree with and say that fish oil as usually found is horrible for you- but for those of norse blood, retinol form vitamin A and vitamin D3 combined with (not rancid at all) omega-3 oils is a potent tool for fighting infection and health in winter areas where it's impractical to go in the sun for months- although I would say the most sustainable inland source of those forms of vitamins would be- either milk from a grass-fed animal you or a friend raised and milked, or else lard from a pig that spent significant time in the sun and had a good, preferably foraged diet, before it was harvested.

(I've only had "good" cod liver oil once, however- it was too expensive, but you could "feel" the effect immediately, like when you "need" good produce or good fruit and you satisfy that need and feel 100 times better for it)

That being said, greens are your vitamin A source if not immuno-compromised, and as long as it is not impure, vitamin d3 is vitamin d3.

That's very climate dependent. We get about 100mm a month of rain, and at that level no tilling or plowing is needed as long as you have high organic content.


Mulch just means a covering of organic matter. Don't buy it. Leaves, grass clippings, straw, chipped branches, etc are good.


If you had found soil with 0PPM of anything relevant you would have published your findings as it is completely unheard of. Don't start lying now.

It doesn't matter if you hate superphosphates or not, they are what is responsible for the small increase in yields due to phosphates that you brought up.

You could flee to appalachia without the phosphate and chainsaw and be just as well off though. Everyone can't do it, but we don't want everyone to do it anyways. If peak phosphorus kills off a few billion people that's awesome. We just want to ensure we're not among them.

Guano is great if you know you're low on phosphorus, absolutely. But you don't need it, or to resort to any other phosphorus fertilizer. Compost always contains a good amount because everything living does. You just need enough compost. As long as you add about 3 feet of compost during your first few years, then you're fine forever after that just maintaining it with letting your mulch decay in place.

We don't need a truce, its not a fight. But your 40k bushels of sweet potatoes is complete bs. I assume some part of that is an error. You aren't getting 100 times the yield of everyone else.


I can't tell if you are jewish or retarded.

Millimeters- you're ether in europe (most likely with the amount of rain) or canada- soil is good there.

Seconded.

I'm not doxxing myself, and I found that in the topsoil- if I dug deep enough into the hardpan, I would find a little I'm sure- but pH 4.5 and no detectable calcium, tested mehlich-3 extractable with icp-spectroscopy, in the top couple inches of soil- the tap water I grew up with had 3 ppm TDS, calculated from mmhos/cm- added fluoride, a bit of iron dissolved from the pipes, chlorine, and assorted chemicals my equipment isn't sensitive enough to test the levels of.

Pounds, I got my wires crossed- I'm a bit under the weather and ill from exposure to others during the holidays- everyone's sick as hell and I just feel "off" and confused.

IIRC, the average yield of sweet potatoes in major producing areas is something between 16k-24k pounds, and I got a yield of 40k calculated, with no irrigation and nothing but "my" compost. I think I could get 50k pounds from the same land if I "tuned" things a bit and got more organic matter into the soil- I didn't move up here full-time that long ago- hence the guano, the soil testing, etc, etc- I grow nursery plants and market crops for a living, on top of growing my own food, so ensuring analytically I get a peak yield, the first year, is essential to pay off the mortgage and escape usury in the shortest time possible- like I said, I'm not particularly disagreeing with you, especially not philosophically- I just must use what of the mostly-useless agronomy/botany training that could possibly be applicable to making myself and my family healthier- I test so thoroughly more for our health than the plant health- I can read the plants and see when they need a bit of this or that, but I damned sure don't want to get a deficiency since I'm whole-hog in, the first year, on what amounts to an unknown environment- so I needed to know whether I needed to add kelp to the compost pile for iodine, etc.

That's lucky as hell- and correct- I have a huge compost pile mostly composed of wood chips from a tree service- some of it is black walnut (yeah, I know, it does screw up tomatoes- it's going for the hundreds of fruit rootstock I'm grafting this spring), a lot of it is tulip poplar, mixed with animal waste to raise the C/N ratio on those piles that didn't include enough fresh leaves to compost by themselves- got here only a bit before the leaves fell.


Exactly.

This is true, especially in effect- if you are talking about actual, good compost, and I could prove this through testing. You must understand that we're using two slightly different methods to achieve the same results. And, I suppose the point I'm trying to make, is that- in the same exact manner that, with permaculture, you can make a biome that is much more productive than anything in nature, you can increase your organic matter levels to the point you can have phosphate levels up to and over 900 lbs per acre, which NEVER happens in nature, bound and released by bacteria at exactly the rate the plants need- giving you yields that are past what everyone seems to be getting, as well as quality that is unheard of, even among those practicing pure organic- my sweet potatoes have no strings in them, for example- not sure why, except that I balanced the soil to Albrecht's recommendations to produce maximum animal health and resilience. I do it with natural stuff generally- unless there is no other way- but I'm not a calvinist when it comes to fertilizers, since I do my own analysis and can fine-tune my soil to be more like a race-car as opposed to a passenger sedan, to use a simple analogy.

Come on dude, don't turn retarded on me now. "Soil is good there"? Canada is huge, you can't make any generalizations about the soil. 1/3 of Canada is a wasteland of frozen granite. The fertility of our farmland is lower on average than in the US. We have two tiny patches of good fertile farmland, and I am hundreds of miles away from either of them because our government is so fucking smart they insist on bringing in millions of foreigners to the tiny patches of fertile land and paving it to make subdivisions for them to live in.

You found something completely unheard of in all of human history, but didn't publish your findings because you wanted to be able to brag about it anonymously on a Laotian yak shaving board instead?

I'm not saying you can't use phosphate fertilizers if you want. I am saying the advice given in that post for anons who want to be self sufficient, not run a business, is retarded. Someone who just wants to feed themselves has no reason to waste money on any kind of fertilizer.

Yes, that was the point. There is no need to pay for soil tests, pay for fertilizers, and then worse yet *stockpile* fertilizer just to get healthy safe food. Everything you need is laying around waiting to be collected. Hell, unless you live miles away from any sort of town people will even collect and bag it for you, just drive by on garbage day in the fall and pick up a few tons of free leaves. Remember, I didn't say you are a dumbass, I said the advice in the pictured post was dumb.

Do you have a recommended book or handful of books on the theory and application of soil testing and fixing? I plan to start my own green house and want to ascertain that I get the soil down pat.

Do the Carol Deppe books you recommended cover it well enough?

>oy vey you didn't webm 7 different large videos or use muh hooknosetube IP harvester owning your own property is a honeypot because OP is a dumbass and thinks (((discord))) is a viable program under any circumstance

Gee, it's almost like you low energy shills all but openly use the problem(muh pet topics with their own boards get autosaged reeee)-reaction(reeeeeeeeee this is bad mods suck reeeeeeeeeee)-solution(let's bitch about it and suggest exodus faggotry) dichotomy as a shilling tactic.

THIS DOES NOT EXIST IN IMAGEBOARDS YOU FUCKING GOON
>suggesting (((whole foods))) the amazon-Bezos company
>shilling for (((anti-meat diets)))
Disinfo agent go the fuck home. Don't forget to blame MUH GLUTEN for everything while ignoring gluten wasn't even an issue until GMO was a thing.


>>/fringe/