The ever lasting Environment vs Genetics arguments

I have an idea, instead of trying to argue that environment has lower impact on children than genetics why not argue that environment (such as culture) is a product of genetics itself?

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It is not an everlasting argument, you just need to lurk moar skeptical creationist faggot

Behavior and mentality are rooted in the brain.
The brain is formed through genetics.

There are people who cannot understand the concept of a hypothetical situation that requires one to imagine a slice of reality in which the situation is true. Their minds melt down if tasked to ponder the concept of "what if chlorophyll made plants appear to be red?"

this is a good example of iq differences, the average asian won't be able to entertain such a scenario, the averageafrican stops at chlorophyl

Leftists believe genetics stops at the neck. Yes, it's that retarded.

True for some marine based life forms. But really makes me think (the robotic Asian bit). I kinda have to see this in action for myself. It definitely fits my bias, but I gotta see the data for it first.

Read the extended phenotype.

They are both intertwined, nature has shaped and informed genetics obviously, but a beaver's dam is its environment yet is also a product of it's genetics, ie its extended phenotype. The societies that europe and its descendants created are part of our extended phenotype, the mudbrick houses part of theirs.

so literally the enviroment
c'mon man

sage
sage for veiled Jordon Peterson thread
that makes no sense.

Peterson speaking at the Zionist 'Canadians for Balfour 100' with (((Ezra Levant)))

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Peterson is COMPROMISED.

You dont seem to get it mate.
Environment ofc makes us evolve in long periods. Thus making genetic diffrences.
Environment the leftists usually mean is like education or the wealth of the family you are brought up in.

I agree with op

A pointless argument. The people who believe it's an issue of environment believe that it's a consequence of a "bad"/harsh environment that things/the individuals are bad. However, the truth is that a harsh environment is what made the better people (e.g. whites of the north).
In short, even within the realm of arguing about environment, their ideology is rooted on harsh=bad & upheld=good (despite this being the opposite of what is true).

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Me thinks that Peterson deserves the ol' Benny G. treatment.
sage for shit thread tbh

Environment was harsher to whites, made our genes better, now whites are better in any environment for at least 200000+ years

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Whites developed higher IQs and higher time preference (patience in anticipation of a future reward) due to having to plan for and survive harsh winters.

Niggers on the other hand, lived in a tropical zone where edible fruit and plants grew year-round, so their was never any selective pressure for problem-solving skills or patience. This is why niggers are stupid and can't be motivated without instant gratification. All these contributed to them not advancing in technology beyond basic subsistence. Most of their early civilizations worth mentioning were constructed for them by Egyptian, Arab, and Roman overlords.

JF explains this better than anyone. Have him write it up or just email Jared Taylor and have him show you with citations.

Or you could just STFU, OP. Peterson's popularity is nothing more than a reflection of how fucked up families and public eduction is today. This nigger was saying the same shit twenty years ago and nobody knew him from a hole in the wall. He's e-famous for not calling a man in a dress, a woman. That gets a wow from idiots.

His class, where he pontificates about wiping your ass to a bunch of muds, who probably think it's their ESL class, is nothing more than some Jung and Nietzsche regurgitated poorly. His Bible interpretations are down right childish.

This motherfucker is either part Jew (probably on his momma's side thus making him a full kike) changed his name, or is married to some yenta broad.

There is no one you need to be discussing this bullshit with. If you think you do, you should be dropping them with a double tap to the chest and one between their eyes.

nigger what?

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Guys
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Could it be…
Could it be that human evolution has more than two determining factors to it? I know, crazy idea right?

THATS RACIST
WE DA SAME

Pretty much this. Although environment does have an impact on genetics, as in adaption.
Without adaption humanity or actually anything wouldn't be able to survive even minor changes.
Which means that the races are different indeed, they genetically different for a reason, genetics then impact their culture, but environment impacted their genetics(long term of course, nobody can change their genetics, but inflict minor changes in his offspring)

Yeah, I have noticed that too how people are seemingly too stupid to understand what an alternative scenario is, but also if it is realistic even within that created alternative reality.

Anyway, best tactic to call out these idiots denying genetics and race is to call them creationists, since essentially they deny evolution.

Something to give normies to think about: If we were all equal, how come that the American Natives or the Australian aboroginies weren't able to defend themselves against the white man, if we were all on equal footing? Wouldn't equal intelligence and no races mean that we would have all to be at the same technological, societal and cultural level?

He also gave a talk on Hitler being more evil than you could possibly imagine. Peterson is as kiked as it gets.

He uses the book Hitlers Table Talk constantly as an example, a book thats nothing more than a kiked fan-fic

It looks like a funny picture of a man giving lots of heils, in reality, each one of those outfit changes represents a different time he gave a talk against National Socialism.

Anyways here is a debate tactic, immediately point out about France trying to break the country up to avoid civil war, dump some Rhodesian and South African history, Lebanese too on them, and accuse them of facilitating the now inevitable race war. If they have some kind of counter, hit them with the finisher and point out black lives matter already demands white peoples homes, so their argument is irrelevant and were Zimbabwe the moment niggers get the voting majority - in about 10 years.
After that, you control the "debate" and can propose solutions which dont involve voting, since voting will never solve it. The path to victory and anti-white genocide, in all debates… and most leftists and opposition have never came across anything remotely like that line of argument, so they are left dumbfounded and struggling to retake control of the conversation.

There is no big argument. It's some of both. The only argument is to what degree.
sage

ive been doing that for i think at least 2 years

also its a false dichotomy, theyre inseperable

Which genes succeed or fail is a response to the environment. Culture is a product of genetics. Important difference.

Go back to 4cuck with this shit "idea guy" thread

How is that not creationism, you fucking retard?
So that's what you are.

It's really simple.
All you need is some esoterics. Natural science as we know them are sadly dogmatically exoteric.

"Matter" derives from "mater", so matter is the "Mother".
"Pattern" derives from "pater", so pattern is the "Father".
Things like genetics and environment are part of the material universe.
Concepts like will and (Platonic) ideas are part of the immaterial universe.

Genetics is the sculpture / Environment is the sculptor / Will is the Spirit

Neet

They stop at "what if". Subjunctivity is something that maybe half of them can begin to understand.

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You're literally the last person on earth to come up with this argument. It has strengths and weaknesses. The strength is, we know individual behavioral characteristics are highly heritable from parent to child, and since society is nothing but a collective of individuals, we could argue that behavioral traits being more or less common, on average, in some populations than others could definitely lead to overall differences in how the society, on average, behaves.

The weakness of the argument is that we have retards like you trying to come up with retroactive hypothetical situations which may have caused these long term evolutionary differences in behavior. There's no way to prove such a thing, and even attempting to opens you up for swift rebuttal.

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Unless it's something they can push off accountability for, like Muh Alcoholism or Muh Borderline Personality Disorder, then it's 100% genetic truly terrible physical brain disease and not their fault

The author Jared Diamond skirts around the obvious with his book Guns, Germs and Steel to address the issue you mentioned.

From the book's wikipedia page

So basically it's not because certain races are superior than others, but rather that certain races had an unfair advantage because of their environment so they just appear superior on the surface. Those same environments had just the right type of nutrition, resources and access to trade routes.

Leftists eat books and theories like this up because it allows them to make excuses for the obvious racial gaps. With theories like these you can argue that whites just got "lucky" and that even dumbest abbo can be just like a white man or east asian if you feed him the right nutrition and teach him how to read and write.

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But you sure give niggers a lot of credit. First they may not even be literate, correct me if i'm wrong but even murican schools struggle to teach them to read, why the fuck would a nigger in Africa even have the words "mentality" and "behavior" in their vocabulary? They most likely don't even know or have words like that in their local language.

False dichotomy, we now know about epigenetics.

The best and quickest response would be to remind them that niggers in Africa barely, if at all, got as far as baby's first a,b,c even though they had thousands of years worth of time.
Conclusion would be that either 90% of Africa is 'environmentally disadvantagious' or that niggers are just that incredibly stupid.

Explain the Platypus?
Most are a product of their environment, yet a few break away, why?
Brain power? Genetics? Outside influence?
Example;
A boy born to the Hippies in San Francisco in the 1960's raised from failed pot/lsd/cocaine infested commune, to guru, to commune, and back again, state to state, school to school, missed grades, no stable home, no Christianity, no material objects, skinny dipping, vegetarian, long hair, underage teen sex with older women, old clothes, etc. turns 18 and GTFO and joins the military, why? Blonde Hair, Blue Eyes, maybe? Brain power enough to see the fail?
Which is more likely?
Brain Power, but that is genetics, so I agree.

He talks against national socialism by name alone but at the same time he actually espouses the very same principles of family, personal health, fighting for your own people and cultivating the monster within, all the while hinting at the true nature of NS. Personally I think he believes the underlying principles are far more important than dying on the hill of defending hitler to the last man, and frankly I think thats a far better fucking position to take regardless of your political leanings.
Also his bible lectures he does tie in some of his themes into giving you the means to realise the foundations of israelites were built upon a lying thieving coniving lil bitch like jacob.

ALL LIFE IS GENES EXPRESSED IN AN ENVIRONMENT

That's nothing new to be honest i do that shit all the time. Another really easy way to get lefties into race realism is by activating their fedora tipping, 99% of them are atheists so if they believe in equality simply insult them with "typial christian" for believing in "every human is made equal in the eyes of god" or something and ask if they don't believe in evolution theory, and if they do they can't really deny your arguments about race and their differences.

The relative effects of inherited epigenetics is tiny, and most are reset every generation. People thought it was a big deal a few years ago but it just didn't pan out.