After The Crash

Since a company is a fictious entity that offer deferred legal actions protecting the individual and thus do not have an innate will of their own I do not have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

I fucking hate to make this argument, but the only ones that want to make the company or rather themselves a ton of money outside the visionary are the ones that want to profit off the back of others. Like Tim Shafer

What ruined the industry in the first place wasn't big companies making money, it was the sudden attraction of investors, namely bankers and investors and CEOs and board of directors who either have ((())) around their name or are fucking someone who does or are sucking the dick of someone who does.

The investors only cared about making money, they put CEOs and Execs in power who knew nothing about gaming and were there to just make money for the company and to improve it's value. So the big companies began to buy out the smaller studios, consolidating the industry into a bloated behemoth. Slowly the industry stopped innovating and now tries to exploit the gamer for everything they can. Hacking out content, microtransactions, propaganda games.

It's going to collapse, but it's not going to collapse from gamer flight, it's going to go from investor flight. Right now our best candidate for killing the industry is Electronic Arts, whom we all know posts profits while actually losing about 200 million a year. Eventually the company will be insolvent and unable to pay their employees. Investors will be caught with their pants down and in order to not be the biggest loser they're all going to leave the industry. Every companies stock will plummet as the massive sell off begins. That's what we've got to look forward to. normalfags are helping us by defending, but not buying shitty games in large enough number to sustain the industries practices.

Wise words

Ayyyy hol' up. The banks didn't want to give out those sub-prime loans because they were fully aware that niggers would never be able to pay them back. None of the banks believed these were good investments and they refused calls for them for decades. Liberals kept crying about the racism of Tyrone not being able to live in the big house on the money made from reselling soda from EBT and they eventually forced the government to run projects like Freddie Mac that facilitated the creation of these kinds of joke loans. Libs effectively insisted the public take on all the risk of this private debt because muh poor minorities and that opened the floodgates.
Bankers didn't create the sub-prime crash, social justice did which was created by bankers.

IGDA, as well as rich opportunists who pretend to be indie, are an obstacle that stand in the way of that. Rich investors have become the gatekeepers of the indie industry as well as AAA, by setting up bogus game jams, rigging award fests and getting Youtubers to sell out. The rich investors will creep into every facet of the medium unless they are made to see the entire medium as toxic again. A second AAA crash would do this.

Bingo.

And when they caved to it, economic crash.
Still their fault by a large margin.

And considering that they created this social justice craze too, fitting.

I don't see why people think Valve would crash and burn.
They don't even make video games now. They're JUST a store front.
Valve crashes when there are no more games to sell.

Your hate boners for Steam has made you fucking delusional.

I recognize the corruption inside the IDGA, game awards and such, but it's real influence in the market is not as big as you may think. Despite winning awards, mass coverage from the "gaming press" and even Sarkeesian in some cases, games like Sunset have absolutely failed to sell (and the company who made that atrocity fortunately died).

Independent companies are not centralized, and have a better chance of success just by sheer quality and word of mouth than AA and AAA. Hopoo Games's success (with Risk of Rain and Deadbolt) despite not belonging to the San Francisco Hipster Clique is a good example of that.

Also, where are the looks at the asian market?
Japan isn't the only name in town and Korea and China are building their own game industries.
The game industry falling in America would just mean tons of IPs for them to grab for cheap and rape legally rather than the knockoffs they do now (honestly I don't think China or Korea are capable of original ideas at this point).

Have you all considered that perhaps the gaming crash has already fucking happened in Japan? That's why all the japanese studies are desperate to "westernize" their game development styles?

And what of the European markets?

When it comes down to it, quality sells.

It's not like selling cut and paste tupperware shit, this is a luxury industry, and the brand name is NOTHING in this industry unlike so many others.

People aren't going to by a 400 dollar video game because of the brand. So in order to sell quantity, you must sell quality.

Another problem, aside from IGDA, is the companies like Bethesda that pay marketing firms to hover over video game forums. As soon as a small studio generates enough word of mouth, they will swoop in for a hostile takeover. All these semi-successful independent studios are sitting ducks, especially when they don't have the protection of the IGDA.

They didn't cave. The liberals created government programs for the banks to use to gamble with no risk to themselves, and so they did. They'd never have done it if the risk was their own.

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As many in the thread have pointed out, the source of the problem is how videogames end up attracting moneymakers instead of creators. If videogames could force get-rich-quick investors out of the industry, the problem would be solved. But how do you force videogames to drop hype and lower prices?

If the gaming market were flooded with free games that weren't complete shit, anyone trying to make a profit would have to keep costs low and produce a game that convinces its players that it's worth giving them money to make future games. The only way you're going to get a market full of free not-shit games is rampant piracy. Spreading the means of piracy until every person knows how to simply and easily get pirated games would make this possible. In such a market, the only people who make games will be those who think they can bring something worthwhile to the table, and the only people who will pay for them are those willing to support those efforts. There will still be a market for new games- you can only play your favorite singleplayer games so many dozens of times before they wear thin- so the market will not be destroyed, just curtailed.

They'll just find a different way to fund them.
Get ready for mountain dew and doritos to be actual in-game items your characters use to their benefit.

Jesus fuck, just how out of touch with the industry are you people?

Would the game be worse by having the healing item be a bag of Doritos? If so, no one plays the game because you can still play good games that existed before the in-game marketing spam was introduced. The marketing will fail and the sponsoring will dry up.

My idea is show them that poorly made games don't fuckin' sell.

If moneymakers left or actually made good games, either way, we win.

We'd have to spring up a grassroots boycott by constantly pointing out the flaws in games and the industry, like Crowbcat does. Gamergate started with journalism watchdog shit , but one the bad journos are out of the way (which is gonna be real, REAL fuckin' soon, count on it) We then need to start quality policing companies.

We need higher standards and a higher bar in general. casuals are and always have been and always will be our enemies when you get down to it.

Name the games they released in the past 10 years and their release dates. You will start to realize you have to admit they aren't doing shit and have no impact on normalfags in videogames.

What I'm saying is that you think piracy would fix things by giving free games it would just make these companies spread their cheeks while bending over.
Take a nice big Doritos cock and some mountain dew jizz.
Every character either uses an apple product or a sony product.
Hey shit, did that guy in a fallout game actually say he wish he had a pepsi instead of a nuka cola?

That type of shit.

Better journalism would definitely help, since it would point out the flaws in shitty games, but if people feel like they have no choice but to play the shitty new games that just came out, that's what they'll do. Piracy would force every new game to compete with older games as well.

Is the actual game good? If it is, who cares? If it sucks- and yes, NPCs talking about the Sweet Refreshing Taste of Mountain Dew all the time would make an otherwise good game suck- then no one will play it. Even the sponsors would be forced to make sure the game does not go overboard with that shit.

Hey did you know the normalfags will be removed in the race war and the corrupt (((video game publishers)))
Will have there (((owners))) removed?
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Here are some examples of how Valve helps make the industry worse.
They work in tandem with companies like Paradox to gain a monopoly on computer games. With all the DLC they bundle in, the complete version of Crusader Kings 2 is $160 when it is full price. The only viable way to afford a paradox game is to wait for a Steam sale, which strangles out the other distributors, while ensuring that fans are still willing to tolerate the nickel-and-dime tactics.
Also, Steam worked in tandem with Bethesda to try and put mods behind a paywall and the successfully managed to put user-created content for TF2 behind a paywall.
Even without making games, they enable all the shitty practices that are corroding the industry.

You're missing the point.
It doesn't have to be good.
Just like movies no longer have to be good.

Never heard of this, please prove it.
Not entirely wrong, but also didn't happen.
Don't know about this myself. Unless you think about keys and chests or whatever.
Which don't enable normalfags into the industry which was my entire argument. Since you're arguing something completely different you're either retarded or trying to use my post as a soapbox to stand on. And you should be reprimanded for both.

So Valve is evil because they sell games cheaper than other retailers?

So, my merchant, what store front do you helm that can't match the price?

It does, because it's going up against all the previous good games out there. There's a reason why Hollywood tries to extend copyright all the time- if the movie market were flooded with good free movies from the past through public domain, everyone would watch those instead of the new shitty movies they keep pushing.

It DOES have to be good. People are retreating to older games through emulation because the current batch is bad.

The reason why people create video games is because they want to make buttloads of money, not because they love the art form. This applies to all game developers small ones and big ones.
This applies to Notch, wo was praised on Holla Forums back in 2009. Game developers are greedy little bastards. All of them.
Making money with video games is easier than with any other method: Low initial investment, replication cost almost zero and additionally the option to trick people into overspending through the "game" itself.
This vidya industry is going to crash anyway, but not because of normalfags suddenly stop buying games like 1983 in America only, but because AAA games simply become too expensive to make and stop being profitable at some point.
The 7th gen was already showing the problem that games become to expensive to make driving AA developers out of business and 8th gen is only worsening the problem. The 4K consoles will break the big industry.
The industry has steadily rising costs, but no way to raise game prices and no way to dial back costs, because that would mean going back to PSX/PS2-tier production values (including getting rid of motion capture and voice acting). Normalfags wouldn't buy $250 games and neither would they buy a game rendering in 480p in 2017.
So it's a death spiral. The industry is doomed.

Are Paradox games on consoles?

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Honestly 90% of the budget on current AAA titles are due to the massive bloat on development teams. They could easily dial back costs a shitton, but they won't because they are too scared to do it.

You have no idea how much easier its become to make good graphics and how little voice acting can cost.

Lets hope you're the next Orwell

Good

You put too much faith in the audience.

I remind you that a Transformers movie has never done bad in terms of return on ivestment.
Never.
Ever.

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Just keep raising the prices then and make more DLC. People might complain but they'll go along with it like they always do.

So, why don't you work for Activision, EA or Ubisoft then and tell them your genius ideas?

Of course you'll always have retards. But even retards will watch older movies for free instead of newer ones for $10+whatever it costs to get buttered popcorn these days. That's why the piracy part is so important, even retards like free, and with piracy the free can also be good.

Because I want this industry to crash, with no survivors.

But they don't.
They so obviously don't. That's why new shit keeps churning out cash.

Again, if the retards KNEW they could easily get good games for free, they would go with that instead. That's why I mentioned how important it was to make piracy widespread.

they know they can easily get good movies for free.
You really don't talk to people do you?
People honestly don't generally give a fuck about things being free or not when it comes to being absorbed in a hype train.

Marketing works.

Prove it to yourself by trying to buy a Paradox gsg outside of Steam.
Valve does to small game studios the same thing that Walmart did to small retailers. They would not be able to have this aggressive edge over all other distributors unless they were making deals.

Doesn't work, games are stuck around $60 +/- 10 for more than decade. Normalfags don't buy more expensive games. They compare it to movies and TV series season boxes.
That's what they are desperately trying: Selling a game for $60 + $50 for the season pass. Still isn't enough to cover future cost risings, so microtransactions have to come in.
Guess what? Most normalfags don't give a fuck about DLC. They play the base game and move on. 98 % of the audience of F2P games never buys a single thing, 2 % whales spend billions.

I saw complete normalfags suddenly start talking about piracy for the DS once those carts became well-known. Nintendo had never bothered with that shit until 40-year-old moms were pirating games for their kids. People seriously don't know about easy piracy is, and when they find out, it's all they do.

Marketing will always exist but right now it's playing with a group that doesn't know how easy it is to get stuff for free. If the group knew, they'd go for the free in a heartbeat.

Uhhh…no.
That would make sense if Valve were producing those games. They're just making sure that they're the storefront that those games get distributed through.

If you knew anything about these businesses, the correct analogy would be that Valve does to other stores what Costco or Walmart does to other stores.
All sorts of cut-throat shit to make sure their prices are the lowest.

Costco is even a better example because they would find away to circumvent the main distributor to get lower prices.

I should call you a GoGdrone in return, but I realize you're too stupid to understand that I would only be doing it for the sake of calling out how stupid you are for calling me a Valvedrone.

In the first place, I haven't even and never did defend Valve.

The prices have recently gone up. They can go higher. If you hype it, people will come. They'll accept anything.

listen, i've been hearing about this game industry crash from you Holla Forums faggots for about a decade now.

It is not going to happen.
It would be like considering Movies or Music industries to crash at this point. It just is not happening.
It was able to crash back in the 80's because it was a new form of entertainment, a toy, and no matter what is fucking said the main reason the crash happened was the public simply got BORED with them.
That isn't going to happen. Not now. Not with a massively global market and just the sheer amount of people in the world right now with access to all forms of devices capable of making/playing games.

this talk of a video game industry crash, at this point, reminds me of all the doom and gloom retards like Glenn Beck like to try to say will happen and it never fucking happens.

In short, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

That's the exact analogy I used. Did you read my post?

You never defended Valve. All you said is they dindunuffin. :^)

If "They didn't attract the normalfags to videogames withe their videogame releases." means they "dinfunuffin" then I guess you're right.

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Zeke's MP looks like a bolter.

Videogames are more or less toxic in Korea, and China is only interested in cheap ripoffs of Western IPs.

AA development in that country is alive and well only the AAA giants like Square and Capcom are truly floundering outside of a few exceptions like the Rune Factory devs.

Name any other Jap company that's been trying to exclusively Westernize all of their IPs.

You have to understand. The fact that they are thriving despite producing absolutely nothing makes them pure middle-man. They exist only to bloat prices and saturate the industry with non-videogame crap.

I can feel the autism through my screen

Is that actually what he's saying in this song? Ocean man?

How many times do you require me to repeat myself? Just wondering.

Shouldn't you be busy playing Battlefield 1?

Yeah I did but you said valve does to small game stuidos what walmart did to small retailers.
This is incorrect.
Did YOU read what you wrote?

Its a water gun tho.

Konami is almost abandoning video games completely and so while they're not westernizing they're simply abandoning the market to focus on other avenues of revenue.
Square is looking like they would rather produce movies & anime rather than video games.
Honestly I think Nintendo is the only big name that's holding on and that's because they're also a hardware producer and they know that they are still the go-to for games.
Sony isn't having a very fun time right now either.

You're right. I meant "small game stores." My bad.

You said Valve has had no impact on normalfags in video games which is plain untrue and, when I gave examples, you said "nope nope nope."

How so?
Everyone can see that that's untrue.

I really don't understand the hate boner for valve and steam.

They're really your ONLY FUCKING HOPE for gaming to shift to the Linux platform and finally get away from this Microsoft monopoly.

That's the problem. For normalfags video games compete with other forms of entertainment. And those got cheaper while increasing quality. Just compare VHS/Laserdiscs with Bluray movies.
Nobody's grandma is going to gift a $200 video game to someone.
The same applies to game consoles BTW. The 8th generation, while being more powerful than the 7th (so games are more expensive to make for them) are not as powerful in relation to other tech, as they used to be.
They reason is the same: They can't raise the prices for consoles, they're stuck at $400. Launch a console at $500 or $600 and it sells like shit.
We're not talking about inflation here, video games get actually more expensive to make, so the price has increase way above inflation, just like luxury cars do. But the mass market is not willing to pay that.

And replace one monopoly with another one. Do you know, where Gabe Newell worked before Valve?

OP's first sentence was hypothetical moron.

Isn't Steam the antithesis of the kind of software Linux users want on their machine?

Probably, i mean, i'm pretty sure Linux users hate games, even their emulators are shit.

Majority of Linux users are either massively retarded or just really fucking hate videogames. A lot of them are freeloaders who scowl at buying anything for more than $0.00, some of them are just complete deadheaded communists that believe in complete open code for everyone no questions asked, some of them are just bitter kids who bought into the "linux home machine" meme.
Surely there is a percentage of normal people who won't deny any of the shortcomings that loonix has and probably will tell you to not use it if your intention for it revolves around videogames.
fucked-up videogames situation and zero art software is what stops me personally from the switch

Holy shit so many people rising up to defend VALVe which isn't even a game developing company anymore
The only delusional person here is the one ignoring what VALVe has pulled lately. Between the gambling they inserted on CS:GO, the paid mods controversy, or helping kill PC gaming in Japan, or the simple fact that they're not game devs anymore, I didn't think there would be any room for liking VALVe. Alas there still is, to the point retards would call us delusional for not liking some corporation that is now made up of businessmen instead of game devs.

What is "lesser evil" for 500

Linux is a shit system for running video games. Sony uses FreeBSD for a reason.
Linux is only great for game servers and that's it.

Valve successfully killed PC games (those boxes full of good stuff) and replaced them with a shitty mobile app store.

Gaben is basically Willy Wonka, who just wanted to make people happy, but got a taste of just how terrible people really are and decided to say fuck it to the world.

Well maybe not praised but people gave him useful criticisms and feedback. Minecraft was going to be Dwarf Fortress 3D until he sold out.

so basically a mentally sick manchild, checks out

Oh yeah, doesn't their government not only impose tighter and tighter restrictions (such as having to pay them $3k for any piece of software you intend to distribute, even if it's a non-profit mod), but also conduct massive campaigns of shit like "only rapists play video games?"

I'd listen if it wasn't obvious you're just flinging anyting you can to the wall, hoping for it to stick, or if i actually bought any digital only cancer on steam for that matter.

Correction: You wouldn't listen in first place, specially considering everything I've threw is actually true considering you could only "debunk" one comment.
If coordinating with companies to make PC games cost more to people buying them in the place they were made isn't helping kill PC gaming, then what is, faggot?

There's 3 ways to prevent the cycle from repeating.

That' isn't what even close to what i said in the first place you nigger. and you sure as fuck didn't mention anything about " [steam/valve] coordinating with companies to make PC games cost more to people buying them in the place they were made isn't helping kill PC gaming" in the original post. Do you have any proof about that, i'd be willing to listen.

Except I did, just not as explicitly.
Read up.
tabitter.net/how-it-sucks-to-be-a-pc-gamer-in-japan/

Want proof? Get a VPN on Japan and check Steam.

A niche audience will, practically by definition, have high and picky standards. Which is why, once a formula has proven to be effectively addictive, they will turn to the larger audience with lower standards. See, for example, Diablo and all the Diablo-likes that followed it… that are pretty much just Diablo in different packaging.

When you have a product that can be marketed as a toy for kids, then you have the child's short attention span on your side. Your main audience has forgotten, or wasn't even around when quality standards were higher. See the effort that went into expansion packs in the late 90's, versus what they can get away with in DLC today.

How do we keep standards high when they just fish for a new audience after a certain point? How can we convince children who don't remember to pay attention to the drop in quality?

Also, on your other point, how do we prevent hostile take-overs without federal regulations over how much of a company and investor can own? How do we stop groups of investors from working together to buy a company piece by piece?

Well, children like to play games that are "mature" (which is why COD was raised to 18+ from 15) and the marketers know this. The return of children friendly games like spyro the dragon would ironically be a good solution… they will have their own niche so it doesn't interfere with other games.

Holy shit, you faggots are in denial.
Get over it. Video games are now mainstream product just like books, music, movie, tv and food. Only option, make your own game, dig hard for good games (make sure to direct fund devs), or play old games with no bullshit attached. Also, anyone defending middle men maleware bullshit like Steam, are fucking idiots. Go eat some mcdonalds and buy some ching chong shit from walmart. Same difference. kill yourself.

This.
Like I said, been hearing "Gaming crash soon" for a decade now from you Holla Forums fuckers.

Well, I take Linux like any other operating system or program or tool. It fits the purpose it is in.

I liken it to this. If Windows is your living room then Linux is your garage.
Honestly, I have no problem with non open non-free software going to linux and those that do really need to pull their heads out of their asses as far as i'm concerned.

You'd have to be an idiot to think the game industry is going to crash and just go back to how it was. Ignoring the absurdity of an industry that makes as much if not more then hollywood film suddenly crashing and burning so poorly that it has to essentially start over what's to stop the next generation of dev's going down the exact same path?
I'm jaded and bitter as much as anyone but I'm not an idiot and only a child or a madman has any hope in such a delusion as the game industry going down and returning to niche hands.

If every large publisher/studio closed it's doors tomorrow in a year it'd be reopened with new owners looking to make a profit off of all of those IP's and the stupidity of the modern gaming crowd.

yeah, its because of the license
they're both unix-likes, they'd probably use linux instead if it let them close up the source code completely

How many more years do I have to wait for the glorious Free Software Uprising?

It has already happened.
If you want FOSS to be an even bigger thing you're going to have to change society in a very radical way.
You're going to have to make society more science minded.

FOSS is something that thrives in academic circles, scientific circles, and hobbyist circles. These are not separate from each other but it is clear that when you have more people wanting and/or demanding scientific tools (in computing) that they could maybe modify to suit their own specific purpose that they will want something from the FOSS sphere.

Unfortunately, everybody is more business minded and because of that, you have closed source systems/software.

You may be asking yourself "why would a business want to actually spend money on software from a third party?"
The answer is simple, liability.
There is no liability with using linux software. there is nobody to blame when shit goes wrong.

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Every single game must be either Free to play, or Open-Source. Oh, and it is illegal to charge for content for video games: If it's free to play, nobody is paying for cosmetics or shit.

This way, no greedy fagits can ruin the industry again.

Maybe if there was a non DRM platform where I can actually own the games I would pay for them.

>tabitter.net/how-it-sucks-to-be-a-pc-gamer-in-japan/
Valve shit sucks for everyone outside the U.S. (everything works) and East Europe/Russia (everything damn cheap).
The region locking fuckery is so bad, that I had to switch to console to be able to import games again.

Trading one monopoly for another doesn't fix anything.

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it's a convenient lie that those who settle for less keep telling themselves throughout the span of their miserable lives to justify their shit decisions

Spread stories like this one to discourage devs from dealing with the devil, without at least a fair contract and a good lawyer. Not a single western studio from the 90s survived "publishing" in anything but name.
No buts, no ifs. The suits are going to suck you dry and lay you off eventually. There's no happy ending, no cushy long term wage job in this arrangement. You're not even selling out to pay the bills and feed the kids, because you get nothing in return, so that argument is out.

Ocean man, take me by the hand, lead me to the land that you understand
Ocean man, the voyage to the corner of the globe is a real trip
Ocean man, the crust of a tan man imbibed by the sand
Soaking up the thirst of the land

A crash just won't happen
The big kikes like ubisoft, EA, valve and others quite literally have more money than they can fit inside their empty offices.
If they wanted they could keep everyone employed and sit on their cash for longer than anyone has ever lived without putting out a single product
If a "crash" happens and the market becomes unprofitable this "crash" will last more than you and probably your children

I always thought he was saying "Oh, Jemima."

Bamco seems to be doing just fine.

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Nigger, that's because of China, the other markets are nowhere near as enthusiastic about those movies.

Sabotage larger media corporations from the inside so they can't pick up small devs in the first place

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he was also a literal basement dweller and the goodest goy, working overtime for no charge

While it's nice to imagine it's not going to happen.
Take off those rose tinted glasses and play a couple of old games that aren't fondly remembered 20+ years latter.
It's too late to save it, the only thing that kept normalfags out of gaymen for the first few decades was the huge cost of consoles and the difficulty of PC.

Not gonna happen.

But there is no industry at that point.

It is as if paintings jumped to Post-modernism before reaching the Renaissance. What games are accepted as the pillars of their genre? What games are measuring stick of quality? Without these, standards are at constant threat of decay. Without these, standards can only go up or down and they aren't going up.
Also, I'm so tired of reviewers saying that they will give the game some slack because everything else released this month or year was worse. Why do people feel the need to play every new game that comes out? I understand why reviewers are like this. It is because they have play a lot of games in a short period of time, every shitty title. Imagine if book reviewers just skim the novels or gourmands just shallow their food. What is worse is they do because the majority of it terrible.

Reviews views things as a product. Criticism is as an art form. I'm not asking if video games are art. I believe art is form of expression and it isn't indication of quality. However, not everyone has accepted that yet and too many morons are trying get these people's approval. Most notability by emulating movies. Besides the idea that we all should already know by now of how video games shouldn't try to be movies but try to be video games, I don't think that there needs to be a magic video game that guides video games into the realm of high art. The real thing holding the medium back is lack of critical video game analysis. While I heavily criticized modern game design, game design is something needs a lot of consideration. There should be back and forth between designers and critics not ass-kissing.

If I were to divide the different aspects of videogames, it would be Presentation, Gameplay, and Experience.
•Presentation refers to things like graphics, sound, story, user-interface, etc.
•Gameplay refers to the interactive elements.
•Experience refers how the presentation and the gameplay mesh together e.g.: pacing, flavor, balance, etc.
I would guess that the source of expression would be in the Experience because it is what gives context to the games mechanics.
Mark Rosewater has explain flavor in depth here. magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/bursting-flavor-2003-02-24 Basically, flavor is the story explanation for the mechanics. HP represents your health. Water is strong against fire. Jet makes people with heart conditions die. Even games that aren't meant to represent anything like Tetris can serve as a mirror to how the mind works.

This is where all the failed film makers tried to make their mark. People like David Cage thinks doing QTE somehow makes you more invested in the story even if those QTE aren't fail-able. Ken Levine thinks the player just gets in the way of telling his story thus coined the term ludonarrative dissonance. While I think ludonarrative dissonance is bullshit, it is a valid concern in some cases like how the main character in the Order 1886 temporarily joined the rebels under the condition that they don't kill anyone and proceeds to kill everyone. Speaking of the Order 1886, the devs of that game said that between visuals, story, and gameplay they focus more on the story saying that it is easier fit gameplay into a story rather than make a story for game mechanic. That is probably why they slap in a generic 3rd person shooter into it.

I agree, video game reviewing is pretty much very low on standards, with people thinking that a heavy emphasis on story equals a good story. I mean come the fuck on I've seen reviews saying that Beyond: Two Souls and Life is Strange have good stories, clearly our standards are fucked.
And this is how you get absolute mediocrity on both. Let's not make a fun innovative game because it's too hard to write a story for it. Let's not make a good story because it's too hard to make it fun. Wow, it's almost like you'd have to put thought in your motherfuckin videogame. Let's be real though, if they did something new the publisher would say "nope, too risky" and inmediatly cut the balls of the project. "Let's just reskin Gears of War again" (actually that might as well be the slogan of AAA by this point).

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Is that the Chinese French Stewart?

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Books are resistant; not immune. There needs to be standards to build up resistance to the natural inclination to shit taste.

You can laugh at this if you want, but the dev copied this dialogue verbatim from his Postmodern Philosophy 101 class.

I really do wonder what the cost of an AAA game would be if they did zero advertising and all the voice acting is minimal and done by literally whos

They're too far gone to fuck it up.
So much ridiculous shit has happened, yet they're still in buissness.
The only way I see something like that happening, is if something new shiny comes out that takes away the publics eye from vidya.

VR maybe?

EA will live as long as they have Madden.

As I said its the bloated development teams that drive prices up. 500-1000+ people working on a single game. All of them getting x$ per hour. With 12-20 hour work days. Over the course of 2-5 years. Its madness.

The only thing I see causing a crash is a series of AAA games so bad that not even normalfags would be able to enjoy them. Either that or the big name publishers go full konami and say "fuck it we're making pinball machines now".

Never bet on normalfags getting taste. I think the budgets would just get too big and that would be enough because these companies run on the assumption of endless expansion.

heres where i have to cut you off, its getting too unrealistic. AAA would lick its wounds, dial it back a bit and everything would be 'hunkey dorey' again.
rich people have been always been getting away with shit even if people know theyre complete scumbags.

It's a hypothetical. This is a fantasy setting. If I had any idea what kind of tactic would be profoundly jewish enough to turn the mindless general public off from video games, I'd name it.

Oh, they do. In a "98% tongue burned with chlorine" sort of way. When something is atrocious and high profile enough, they complain (A:CM, Ride to Hell, etc).

what the fuck ami looking here?

Bethesda attempting to write a plot.

That would imply that the higher up aren't mindless automatons that won't jump off with their golden parachutes when things go grim.

Bethesda's writing.

I'm not a Fallout fan and even I know that sounds like a retarded departure from even the retarded version of the Brotherhood from Fallout 3. Then there's that whole thing with them nuking people and destroying technology just because a few robots triggered them even though the original Brotherhood of Steel would never do something so petty and stupid

How do we initiate 2nd Crash?

Make it happen

Hopoo is an inspiration to us all.

We're headed for a giant media crash, not just video games either, but movies too. We're in a bubble currently: Budgets are getting bigger and bigger, one flop after another is happening, yet the stock prices of every company involved are only going higher. Eventually something has got to give, and when that happens, all it needs is for one big company to shut its doors to make shareholders lose faith in the industry and it will all come crashing down.

The thing is that investors are fucking retards that can't comprehend that there's a future beyond this year's dividendes.

Where have I heard this before?

You're missing the point I think.

God bless gayben jewell for saving PC gaming!

What aspect of game design that isn't bullshit?
Where are the non-faggot that talk about Game design?

You're right to say that Valve are kikes that fully released mods, but this is some nitpicking of the highest order and its used for filler.

The crash is already happening you dope.
Steam has huge operating costs for Downloads.

Early Access was Valve scrounging for more money.
Paid for mods was going to be the next step as EA games are stigmatized now, which is why that one autist threatened gabe because her shit game was released EA when it was "complete"
The further micro-transaction for TF and CS:GOY is them trying to flip every rock for some income.

Its all coming to a close but every time I debate someone on the crash it always is with someone who neither understand economics or reading in between the lines of a companies actions.