Fascism MUST come from the USA, NOT europe

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The USA has almost as many ethnic Germans as Germany

I agree they are the most likely to become fascist, but what I am saying is that the USA must become for the world to accept the ideology. Just think about trump. Look at how big of an influence he has in europe…Now imagine him Nationalist-socialist. This wouldn't be just merely a few British-First, Marie le pen, or Geert Wilders being popularized. It would have such a huge incluence that I have no doubt in my mind it would happen internationally. And thats what NEEDS to happen.

I mean just think about brexit, how much of that had to do with Trump getting into power? The people feel empowered to emulate the USA and will vote right/nationalistic if given the social acceptance to do so.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Unity_Party_(Canada)

No.
Fascism is civic nationalism.
Fascism is shit.

This is a NatSoc board. Racialism or FUCK OFF you Alt-Right faggots.
I'm fucking tired of your shit.

I am saying for it to be accepted internationally (which is something national-socialist Germany had). The english speakers can unite and influence international politics even more than any other language.

>nationalvanguard.org/2015/06/dr-william-pierce-on-the-difference-between-national-socialism-and-fascism/

A: Liberals apply the label “fascist” to anyone whose ideas they find abhorrent or dangerous — even conservatives. They tend to use this term as a smear word, not restricting it to the adherents of any specific ideology. Thus, they probably feel as justified in trying to smear us with the label “fascist” as any other of their opponents.

A: Certainly not. When we use the term we are virtually always referring to the adherents of the specific social-political doctrine on which Benito Mussolini founded his governmental system in Italy — that is Fascist with a capital “F.” Although it may not seem important to the liberal, there is a profound difference between National Socialism and Fascism.

A: You have been reading too many textbooks written by liberals. Certainly the Fascist state and the National Socialist movement are authoritarian, and they both have a strong social basis. Furthermore, both Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist government and Mussolini’s Fascist government administered most of their programs for national and social renewal on a centralized, nationwide basis. Both governments brought forth immense popular enthusiasm, which was manifested in numerous public demonstrations and celebrations. All these things contributed to a seeming similarity. But the differences betwen the two systems are by no means slight!

A: The really fundamental difference lies in the role of the state and the race under each system.

In Mussolini’s word’s:
“The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state — a synthesis and a unit of all values — interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people…It is not the nation that generates the state…Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people…In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative…”

To the National Socialist, on the other hand, it is our Race, not the state, which is all-important. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote:
“The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar creatures… States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten monstrosities in fact.” (II:2)

There are many important consequences of this basic difference in attitudes. For example, under Fascism anyone, regardless of racial background can be a citizen, as long as he accepts his responsibility to the state. Under National Socialism, on the other hand, membership in the racial community is the first requirement of citizenship. (Source: WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, number 11, January-February 1970, p. 5)

It all has a common root, you popularize fascism and national-socialism will follow.

No.

NatSoc or FUCK OFF. Nobody but the Alt-Right pushes Fascism/civnat while trying to ply the "they're the same bro!" bullshit.

Here is some of the speech

You do not wish to empower other countries to have pride in their own country? You want them to have pride in YOUR country?

That will never work. Fascism is the first step then nationalsoc

Neither of those worthless questions has anything to do with the topic at hand.

No, its not. Why are you lying?

Okay, since we seem to disagree with definitions. How about we get back to topic…

Do you think for national-socialism to be most successful it should come from an english speaking country(preferably USA)?

To expand upon this, Fascism/civnat cannot lead to NatSoc/ethnonationalism, because Fascism/civnat explicitly denies blood as the foundation of the nation.

I refer you back to Pierce's commentary:

A: The really fundamental difference lies in the role of the state and the race under each system.

In Mussolini’s word’s:

“The Fascist conception of the state is all-embracing: outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have any real worth. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist state — a synthesis and a unit of all values — interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of a people…It is not the nation that generates the state…Rather it is the state which creates the nation, conferring volition and, therefore, real life on a people…In the Fascist conception, the state is an absolute before which individuals and groups are relative…”

To the National Socialist, on the other hand, it is our Race, not the state, which is all-important. In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler wrote:

“The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar creatures… States which do not serve this purpose are misbegotten monstrosities in fact.” (II:2)

There are many important consequences of this basic difference in attitudes. For example, under Fascism anyone, regardless of racial background can be a citizen, as long as he accepts his responsibility to the state. Under National Socialism, on the other hand, membership in the racial community is the first requirement of citizenship. (Source: WHITE POWER: The Newspaper of White Revolution, number 11, January-February 1970, p. 5)

Civic Nationalism/Fascism does not lead to Ethnonationalism/NatSoc. There is nothing to suggest that such a paradigm exists, and much to suggest that when a nation wanders into civnat/Fascism, they never reach NatSoc/racial nationalism, because the one dictates the other is unnecessary, else it would espouse what makes the difference.

We don't disagree. You're denying the reality.

I am on topic - Fascism is not racial/ethnonationalism. It has no value relative to such.

Not really.
That said, in terms of 'most succesful'? The US, unquestionably, simply because of how huge it is and how influential - the effect on media alone, internationally, would be huge, were an ethnonationalist/NatSoc society to take root in the US.

But it struggles to do so, because so many people in the US refuse to take a racialist stance, laying their roots in civnat cuckoldry - which promotion of Fascism/civnat only furthers their capacity for. That's a good portion of why I take exception to your thread.

Okay I understand your point. So in theory… a state that is too much civnat/multi-cultural can never be national-socialist. It can only become fascism because it is not focusing on race as much as it is the state?

A state like the USA/canada/australia can only hope to be fascist at most.

This is the most narrow sighted and retarded post I think i've ever read. America has been the army, diplomat, and repoman for the globalist kike regime since the end of world war 2, and it can easily be argued it was way earlier than that. The kikes have turned the United States into a satanic tier state. Racially, Culturally, and Politically we are fucked. We lack a proper identity or culture because msot sub-culture has been replaced by some copy paste shit from city to city thats all just produced by some jew in hollywood (yes this is apparent world wide due to globalism but its to an even worse degree locally), and our political system basically ensures our government will never be anything outside of a very limited set of choices (all of which are very similar ideology wise). The only fascism can start is if America as a state falls.
This isn't blackpilled, but its just the truth. If you cut america out of the equation, or atleast its modern government and society you can free the world of this bullshit. We're the main force behind the kikes push against decent governments. The only way fascism can start from the US is if we balkanize. American national socialist movements died with rockwell and most of the ethnic movements here don't apply to whites since we're all euromutts.

How about you kill yourself, you dirty normalfag?

Fugg DDDDD:
might as well kill myself now.

Absolutely false - the Weimar Republic disproves your assertion.

Nope, see above.

Nope, see above.

You're now basically shilling the same tired shit that I already dismissed - civnat/Fascism does not lead to racial nationalism/NatSoc, there is nothing to suggest as much.
Further, there is nothing to suggest that highly-multiculti nations cannot/do not about-face in VERY short periods of time to become full-blown NatSoc, as evidence most blatantly by the National Socialist regime of Germany in the early 20th century.

Weimar Republic has a more fucked up culture than we did and look what it turned into.

Yes but the difference is Hitler did something in a timely manner before their country's basic institutions became corrupted to the core. Any chance National Socialism in the current form of America died with Rockwell.

Stop trying to sow division you fucking kike. Whether someone is a fascist or natsoc they're still on our side.

You said:
then you say
So then why the fuck are you saying national socialism coming from the USA would be a problem?

How is this D/C?
I'm actually curious…

Do you really want our institutions to adhere closely to the ZOG's guidelines? Corruption is good, it allows us to operate freely, opportunity and gives us cause.

They were doing transexual bullshit before they flipped. We are just now starting it too.

Its never too late..

It already does, along with business and science as well. All the Asians learn English if they want to get the best possible career. You can’t do business deals or experiments with Urdu or Mongolian.

The weimar tier shit in America has been persistant since the 1920s, it just came at a much slower rate than the Weimar and as a result more and more of the population grow tolerant to it as time goes on. The ethnic make up of America, especially whites has broken down significantly. Not only this, most americans are still stuck in very cuckservitive mindsets. That is the biggest issue, the inherent gridlock of american institutions has assured that no rapid change can occur unless its backed by kikes. Nothing short but a revolution or government collapse can fix that, and with the tactics being used by the alt-right and white nationalist groups that will never happen since they try to appeal to this system. We're monumentally more fucked and kiked than the weimar.

I'm saying that our institutions are excrescences of ZOG at this point.

Exactly, mix in the fact the USA is also a super power then you have a winner.

And how after he got elected we've seen no progress other than AfD getting into the Bundstag

What I was saying is…look at the influence he has had. He has emboldened many right wing groups in europe. And if one just ONE is nat-soc thats a win.

Sure when the election is going
Shit seems to have lost steam after he got elected
Why, I'm not entirely sure, could be Spencer, could be the Media or could be Trump

All of the influence he has had are still on mainstream political organizations which are all watered down or kike controlled. Trump is the biggest example about why political movements in this stage don't fucking work. We voted for an isolationist anti-establishment candidate and got a slightly more right wing corporate shill.

Antifa was the closest America had to real fascism, and their star fell when people noticed that wasn't just the other guy's propaganda. Fascism is a leftie thing. The land of temporarily embarrassed millionaires doesn't need it.

I mean, come on, we're not Finland. If fascism has to come from the USA first it's never going to happen at all.

/thread
The only way for fascism/ National Socialism to rise again is if America balkanizes or the world suffers another Great depression

No they're not, see the big difference that seperates Marxist Socialism/Communism with Facsism and NatSoc is that NatSoc and Fascism accepts that Heirachies are a natural thing and that some people are naturally better than others at things while Jewish Socialism denies that and every one does the same thing
Nature vs Nurture and all that

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Antifa is not fascist and Fascism and National Socialism are not left wing or right wing, lurk moar.

What makes you think that? That would probably make it even less likely for National Socialism to gain traction and last long-term.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree OP. National Socialism and racial awareness should come from any and all corners of the White world with as much force as possible. Learning from each other and taking stock of what does and doesn't work should also be your goals to help you achieve this. Anyone who peddles distrust and division should be cast out or forced to educate themselves and correct their ways.

Remember. Failure is not an option.

It isn't blackpilled, the jews have won american and as a result america needs to collapse for fascism to work anywhere else, we're the bad guys and pretty much have been politically speaking for a very, very long time.

How would it make it less likely when america itself is the very antithesis of Fascism as an ideology?

Remember when fascism was accepted by nations before natsoc?
Remember that more nations embraced fascism over natsoc, but nations that did were allied with natsoc?
Remember Hitler saying he modeled his early ideas for the party on fascist Italy and the beer putsch being his attempt at a March on Berlin
Quit the DNC already

Not sure what you disagree with. I agree with everything you said. I just think that an english speaking country would be the best way to optimize this global spread.

No fucktard, I mean that it's time for you to realize your multicultural quasi-dystopian Weimar republic will have to and it will collapse so National Socialism/ Fascism can come back. Do you thing ZOG would be stupid enough let a Natsoc movement that threatens their international banking cartel happen under (((their))) noses if America was still standing? It would be shutdown and be forced underground like they did a century ago, like they did with Qaddafi in the name of (((democracy))) and freedumbs and like they are trying right now with Syria and Iran.

What I disagree with is no single country should "take the lead" or get "first dibs". At least until they fully achieve a true White homeland. I would much prefer a friendly race to utopia over pointless bickering among brothers. Any White country should have the honor of being "first". Assuming of course that they succeed. Until that happens we should never lose sight of our true goal, a homeland for our people.

No, they aren't, you imbecile. If you aren't a racial nationalist, choosing instead civic nationalism, you are not on my side. Period. You disingenuous kike.

Why are you lying again?
I said that National Socialism coming from the US would be fine - but that National Socialism =/= Fascism.

I said:
Stating that promotion of Fascism/civic nationalism actively inhibits the establishment and promotion of NatSoc/ethnonationalism.

Then I said:
In response to your flawed assertion that a nation, in theory, MUST pass through Fascism/civic nationalism before achieving National Socialism/ethnonationalism if thoroughly cuckolded, which the Weimar Republic transition to National Socialism disproves.

Nope. What nation are you speaking of?

And there's myriad evidence of NatSoc leaders/thinkers stating Fascism was shit because it was non-racial.

The beer putsch failed and his early ideas led to his later ideas, which were explicitly racial in nature and which thus were in direct conflict with the ideals of Fascism/civic nationalism.

Its not DNC to state that civic nationalism/Fascism is not equivalent to racial-ethnonationalism/NatSoc, and that the former is undesirable relative to the latter, and that the promotion of the former inhibits promotion of the latter, because their core ideals are in conflict (civic focus vs racial-ethnic focus).

This is retarded american gibberish. Whites have a homeland, its fucking Europe. We don't need some white nationalist shit all we need is for the individual countries and ethnicities of europe to wake up, and that can't happen if the US exists. Maybe in the US we need some territory but that can be solved once the real countries get their shit sorted out.

Fascism isn't national socialism but ideologically speaking national socialism is a fascist ideology. Italian Fascism isn't the be-all-end-all for Fascism itself. The Falange we're fascists, the iron guard were fascists. The entire point of the ideology is it represents a nation and its individual identity and culture. It can be adapted to any country, natsoc was just a german form.

But, at their core, civic nationalism/Fascism suggests its a matter of the individual, its a matter of culture and the state, whereas ethno-racial nationalism/NatSoc suggests its a racial quality.
IOW, civnat/Fascism suggests its a matter of nurture, not nature, unlike the NatSoc/racial-ethnonationalist view.

HAHA okay. no more (((you)))s

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

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It wasn't. It was transformed into a National Socialist, that is ethnonationalist, state.
Fascism is civic nationalism - there is explicitly no racial component in Fascism/civic nationalism.

No, its not. At all. Explicitly. We've been over this.

You're edging very close to some No True Fascist shit here m8.

Yes, both were civic nationalists.

Far as I know, had no racial component to its ideology.

No, user, that is explicitly wrong.
You're pushing civic nationalism/Fascism as though it has a racial component and is equivalent to NatSoc/racial-ethnonationalism, which it is not - the two are explicitly divided over the topic of whether race or civic entity is the priority, which is a core difference in their worldviews.
Did you even read the thread?

NO. National socialism is a more refined form of fascism. Fascism is the stem…. You can go left (communism) or right (national-socialism) with fascism. Stop focusing on semantics. It's getting annoying.

From wikiJew on the Iron Guard:

Sounds like they were Christian civnats, which is basically just modern cuckservatism, except these guys used their guns.

Yes, explicitly.
No, explicitly.
Hahahahahah! Fuck no nigger! Fascism is nothing but civic nationalism, it focuses entirely upon the state with no focus upon race.
Every group you have cited as Fascist has espoused this paradigm.

I bet it is, because you're trying to shill for civic nationalism in a fancy uniform, and fucking no faggot, fuck off.
NatSoc is the future - civic nationalism is dead, and good fucking riddance.

As long as we kill all kikes and the faggots and shitskins fuck off / get gunned down it will be a better world btw

out of what dictionary?
Just give it up kike
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

also are you just ip hoping and talking to yourself, bumping this thread?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#International_impact_of_the_Great_Depression_and_the_buildup_to_World_War_II
Read the 2nd paragraph first sentence out loud chaim.

Now here is some truth - but we'll never get anywhere beyond that if we don't recognize that its our racial/ethnic clade that is of import, not merely our civic state of origin or our ideals.

Race is real, and it is the core of our being, and to deny it, to focus upon ideals or civic entities, leads only to tragedy.

Dr. Pierce's? I mean, lad, its explicitly civic nationalism, blatantly, its not even a semantic argument - its written clear as day, obvious as fuck, you're just denying it because you want to shill for civnat in a fancy uniform.

Seriously, did you even read the thread?

This post literally addresses your entire argument, over and over again.

How can it be a Fascist regime when it doesn't espouse a civic focus, but rather an ethnic focus?
It can't.

A: Liberals apply the label “fascist” to anyone whose ideas they find abhorrent or dangerous — even conservatives. They tend to use this term as a smear word, not restricting it to the adherents of any specific ideology. Thus, they probably feel as justified in trying to smear us with the label “fascist” as any other of their opponents.

Why would you think that?

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Read this entire post out loud nigger.

I wouldn't be surprised.

???… Oh, right, OP was a massive faggot in starting this thread and it appears I'm talking to him.
Well, sorry lads, I just don't like civnat shit and this faggot is adamant on pushing civnat/Fascism as equivalent to ethno-racial nationalism/NatSoc.

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stop calling fascism civnat shit or fuck off

lel
In any case, yeah, compared to some faggot on a Siberian Stop-Motion Forum? Yeah, Pierce is definitely holding sway on this one nigger.

No, because it is explicitly civnat.
Deal with it.

ONE. I never said fascism is the equivalent to national socialism I said its the stem.
TWO. civnat is NOT fascism

Fuck off America

lel

Yes, it is. Explicitly. Come up with an argument if you have one, as to why this ideology which claims the civic entity is the be-all-end-all of focus is not civic nationalism, or fuck off.

You're really disingenuous, and its obvious your motives here, and I'm just really sick of your bullshit. You argue like these Alt-Right faggots that come in shilling their civnat-in-a-fancy-uniform, and then cry when its pointed out that it lacks a racial/ethnic component and is thus nothing but civnat.

Fascism isn't civic nationalism at all, italian fascism had racialist policies too its just they didn't enforce as much of an ethnic standard because it was incorporated into a state with multiple groups. National Socialism's racialist element had to do with progressive features and such, it was mostly just Hitlers opinions that gave it its reputation.

Thats the fourth dumbest shit I've read this day. National Socialism at first was a branch of Fascism, but then it expanded itself into a a whole new tree. But saying Fascism is just civic nationalism is like saying Trump right now is instituting fascism, or according to you, civic nationalism. Trump is a civnat but not a fascist and let alone a National socialist.

In Germany, it contributed to the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which resulted in the demise of the Weimar Republic and the establishment of the fascist regime, Nazi Germany, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler.
In Germany, it contributed to the rise of the National Socialist German Workers' Party, which resulted in the demise of the Weimar Republic and the establishment of the fascist regime, Nazi Germany, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#International_impact_of_the_Great_Depression_and_the_buildup_to_World_War_II

Seriously, at this point, I think I should just keep referencing this post at you, because it covers literally every argument you've made thus far.

Yes it is, in fact, thats all that it is.

No it didn't. I trust Dr. Pierce on this more than you.

…. So, what you're saying is, it was so multiculti already that they just didn't bother trying to utilize a racial element and instead went with obvious-as-fuck civic nationalism? Okay.

Hahaha, what?
Sure thing m8.

Seems legit.

A: Certainly not. When we use the term we are virtually always referring to the adherents of the specific social-political doctrine on which Benito Mussolini founded his governmental system in Italy — that is Fascist with a capital “F.” Although it may not seem important to the liberal, there is a profound difference between National Socialism and Fascism.

A: You have been reading too many textbooks written by liberals. Certainly the Fascist state and the National Socialist movement are authoritarian, and they both have a strong social basis. Furthermore, both Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist government and Mussolini’s Fascist government administered most of their programs for national and social renewal on a centralized, nationwide basis. Both governments brought forth immense popular enthusiasm, which was manifested in numerous public demonstrations and celebrations. All these things contributed to a seeming similarity. But the differences betwen the two systems are by no means slight!

You can be civnat and not fascist, but you cannot be fascist and not civnat.

So, you've given up then? Okay.

Last post from me since my thread got derailed by an autist that thinks civnat is fascism.

Relevant to this thread

Last post from me until I get bored an some other faggot starts posting this bullshit, because OP gave up trying to shill civnat-in-a-fancy-uniform and pouted after he was made a fool for trying to claim Dr. Pierce was full of shit and wikiJew was legit (specifically while using an argument that Pierce addresses in his commentary that OP obviously didn't read).

Interesting. Regardless I always thought that Fascism and National Socialism turned into two entirely different things. One's primary focus was on preserving one's race/volk and the other was creating an organic state without necessarily putting race first.

I'm glad you agree!

They did, but really, they didn't "turn into" different things, they were different things from their conceptual inception - one is a focus upon who you are, the other upon what you are, as described in this post's image.

That user really captured the paradigm well.

Quite, and what does that "creating an organic state without necessarily putting race first" bit equate to?
Let's say I grant the Nationalism bit, what is the focus of that nationalism? How is the nation defined therein?
Its defined as a civic entity, a state. Which makes it civic nationalism. You can attach all kinds of bells and whistles, you can attach all manner of additional policies, but at the core of it? What's the major difference between NatSoc and Fascism?
Race as a priority.

Ethno/Racial Nationalism (NatSoc) vs Civic Nationalism (Fascism). Its all pretty obvious - the only reason there's a debate is because there are certain people, specifically amongst the Alt-Right, who want to push Fascism.
Why?
Well, I'd say it should be pretty obvious, no?

Not being natsoc doesnt make it civic nationalism, you don't seem to know what civic nationalism is.

How about you give us some source on that, faggot.

Jim crow laws/segregation.

Please stop posting in this thread about civic nationalism. We already derailed it enough.

He's just going to say civic-nationalism = fascism
please do not entertain his ideas.

Why?
Well, I'd say it should be pretty obvious, no?
Yes, it becomes clear Fascism doesn't cover something as "internal" and fixed as one's race, rather, it tries to ignore it, and the opposite happens in National Socialism, where without a sense of race, the state cannot exist, or its limited to become just a civic entity.

Wikijew is shit for political stuff, but the numbers are usually pretty legit in this context.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States#2015_American_Community_Survey

The present German population according to Jewgle is 82.67 million.
Almost as many? Ehhhhhh… Depends on how the actual demographics of Germany are laid out at this point.

I thought you made your last post?

Hahaha, what?

Nah.
Actually, we're right on the tracks m8. You just don't like it because it makes you look like an asshole.

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lel
Seriously, I thought you were done posting?

Pretty much, yeah - NatSoc and its ethno/racial nationalist equivalents expressly state that the civic entity is just a means to an end, while Fascism/civnat suggest the state IS the end… The problem there should be obvious.

But I meant more "why would the Alt-Right be pushing civic nationalism?", and the answer there should also be clear.

Fucked up the greentext in the middle

Because I was posting a numerical statistic, while you were using it to suggest that NatSoc was a FASCIST regime because wikiJew says so, ignoring that Pierce - who you tried to decry - addressed that argument and BTFO your claim there.

Seriously, I thought you were done posting.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
using broadest definition, 17 million victims overall.[4]

It's obvious, they want to subvert the (national socialist) movement into something that doesn't put a primary focus on race such as Fascism and from there create yet another controlled opposition by removing race from the equation. Honestly I think if Hitler had won the war Mussolini would eventually have shifted from fascist to National socialist and he would've actually given the Italians a sense of race. Do you think that there can be "branches" or "sub-ideologies" that spring from national socialism?

He already did. He actually believed in italian supremacy early on.

I'm seriously gone this time.
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He unironically thinks civic nationalism = fascism

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
False equivalence on your behalf - the holohoax is highly politicized, thus the numbers are unrealiable.
The US cencus statistics as regards German ethnicity of the US population? Not nearly so politicized, and you know it.

You're just assmad because I made you look like a jackass for shilling civnat in a fancy uniform. And you really shouldn't be - I don't have any real hostility toward you, I just think you're kind of an asshole and you're lost in shitty ideology.
I don't know what about Fascism attracted you, but you should really focus on NatSoc ideology - its much better and has a better core ideal. In any case, I'm beat, and you're outta juice and just spewing angry rhetoric now, so I'll leave you to your shilly lil thread if you like.
Have a good night, hopefully-brother, and may you fare well in your travels, may you have many sons, and may you accept that a civically-oriented nationalistic ideology is not even truly justified as being called 'nationalistic' and is generally kinda shit.

PFFFTHAHAHAHA, he was a goofy lil wop. Smart dresser though.
In any case, nothing about his expressed ideology and the policy of the state under his leadership suggested what you claim, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread.

Standing fucking ovation. Beautiful.

I agree! He probably would have!… But, that didn't happen, so it really doesn't matter, now does it? Nah.

Depends on how you define what you're talking about.
In theory, each espousal of NatSoc by a given clade of hominid would have variations within it - but it would share the core principles, specifically, that race is the foundation of a society, that a nation is only a nation if it is a thing of blood, and that such belief and espousal of such in the context of policy is the core foundation of the societal system or ideology which will secure the well-being and prosperity of your people into perpetuity.
IOW: If you don't place top priority on your race, neither will the civic entity that rules you. Period. And in the absence of such priority, well… Look at America today.

In any case, if its not ethnically/racially focused at its core, its not ethno/racial nationalism, and quite frankly, I hesitate to call such platforms even 'nationalism', because, being a National Socialist, I believe that a nation is thing of ethnicity/race, not of ideology or culture (which I believe springs FROM ethnicity/race). If, at the core of your 'nationalistic' ideology, there is focus upon the state, well… That's focus upon a civic entity, and that's civic nationalism. Period.

Neato. Night hopefully-brother.
Everything I said still stands - if you be my brother in blood, know that I love you, though we've never met and don't share the same views, and that I merely wish the best for you, and believe that the route I have suggested will bring you the most propserity, happiness and love. Take care out there.

He started believing in proto-Italian national socialism until 1942-43. But it was too late by then for him

I just don't see how an already de-industrialized, culturally decimated country like America could even dream of creating such a State if it were broken.

True, I think if a "branch" of national socialism forms in the future, I think it should put race first, and the state should serve the race for the benefit and preservation of it and it's culture, not the other way around. Anyways it was nice to discuss with everyone in the thread about America, Fascism and National Socialism, now I have to sleep. Goodnight.

Its mroe unlikely we create it as an entirely jewish body.

archive.fo/5XiYS
You really need to read this.

Adding also: as it is, National Socialism is a beautiful ideology, and more of an ideology, a lifestyle

Fifty six

Freedom of speech beats freedom of expression everyday.

More that half of the population in the US huh?
I wonder how they are doing.
Better than we are, I'm afraid

OP I have read the whole thread. I have watched your discussion with the other user and I have come to a conclusion.

OP is, unfortunately; a fag

I for one have learned much from you, brother. I will even agree with your stance on OP he appears more misguided than anything.

I wonder what would happen if Japan went full NazSoc first. Nazi-Gundams when?

You sue he didn't already come back user?

don't you say

Can you be even more wrong I wonder?

they would have been more popular if they would have been more american than german centric. hitler fugged up by promoting german nationalism in non german ethnic countries.

???????
Yeah just conviniently forget about the pogroms in which jews and gypsies were killed for being subhumans.
Or the fact that Codreanu claimed that the people are the most important part of a country.

He didn't even encourage them lad.

Did Darwin really say that?

Good joke.

World's done m8s

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Anyone who hasn't should read Gentile's Origins and Doctrine of Fascism.

I don't see why Fascism's inattention to racial realities means NatSocs should completely reject it and turn a blind eye to its many accomplishments. After all, Hitler saw fit to openly align himself with them. It certainly doesn't follow from that that contemporary NS should have anything to do with altkikes/civnats that call themselves Fascist. i imagine genuine Fascists nowadays would reject controlled ops themselves.

lurk 2 more years faggot

*That should be a capital "I", of course.
I really hate masonry and Mussolini and Franco did a real number on them, credit where credit is due!

Wow. We barely get a couple thousand together at Charlottesville and that's a "success".

The US cannot be NatSoc as there is no racial identity in the US beyond "White". The US will never become fascist unless it Balkanizes. American culture is incompatible with fascism, capitalism and nigger music has pushed greed into American culture, and most cities were designed for economy in mind, not social needs. Celebrity worship has replaced leader veneration and interest in politics is often parroted from ones favourite celebrities. Not to mention that the US was used by many European countries as an Austrialia, to deport their lunatics, drunks, religious zealots and criminals. While there certainly were many exceptions, many Americans are descended from these scum. I honestly cannot see America surviving a separation from kikes, they are so woven into America's workings I feel the country would utterly collapse, leading to Balkanization. Also of course the 60% white thing is an issue because that gives Americans significantly less time then Europe.
inb4 Americans sperg out: I would love to see America as a proper nation, allied with (not leading) a proper Europe, but I honestly cannot see this happening without an ultra happening.

Lol

Holy shit he linked to his own post 7 times!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifesto_of_Race
Get fucked you goddamn retard.

Also, everyone should read this post.

I am an American Fascist because I believe it’s the only way we can synthesize a National Socialist America.

Western (if by western you mean european) civilisation is already doomed. From 1789 it's dead man walking.

Neck yourself kike

what a surprise

disinfo FAGGOT

GTFO. We came close with Hitler. The men of Europe hate what's happening but know the cards are stacked against them. Japan is still racially aware, Poland too. Nationalist movements are rising everywhere. Kikes always push too hard too fast. If enough movements rise at once we can win. We will win.

How blind do you have to be to not see it? Every social. economic, and political institution is kike run. Unless the government collapses this won't change. I'm not saying the world is fucked dude i'm saying America itself is fucked and thats undeniable.

All anglosphere countries are incapable of fascism. America simply needs to be destroyed.

lol reported for jewish levels of autism

Yeah we can see this with Trump. Trump was a perfect storm. Nobody else could have done what he did, but in office he is practically hamstrung. Every kike institution has been throwing roadblocks in his way the entire time.

It is true. How do you expect America to be fascist when most of the right wing here is Ben Shapiro tier Zionist muh principles 3%ers?

I don't really care where it comes from. History shows however that nothing good/innovative ever comes from large corporations/organizations. It will come from some small nation that will collect other small nations until the U.S. decides to fight them. The U.S. is much more likely to be the last place to convert. Look at the metric system. The U.S. won't even budge on that.

Nah, it’s not.
Look, leftist fag, you’ll have to do better than that. Your words aren’t true because you said them.

Stop being a hyper-retard.

This is definitely true even if the losers in other countries won't admit it, but I don't see the U.S. Ever going full-blown fascist. I believe that there will be a return to white pride in the U.S. Though, and changing immigration to support Europeans again. As well as possibly preventing women from voting and stuff like that. A pseudo fascist country I guess that believes in the constitution above all else. Just focus on getting it back to the white man can only vote and ill die a happy man

You're a fucking moron, either because you actually believe this, or you think we're dumb enough to fall for it.

He's right though, America's right wing is cuckservitive shit.

see

People like those described here is why fascism will never happen here, its all just gonna be muh liberal values faggots.

Untreatable autism

We will survive.

I doubt it would ever happen, but a return to white pride and traditional values is very likely, and more preferable in my opinion, a free country for WHITES ONLY + no women's rights bs

Covington and Burling: The secret conspiracy undermining Michael Flynn
>archive.is/4kIpS

How is that preferable? It doesn't address any of the actual problems.

? White men leading their own country free from kikes wouldn't solve anything?

Sure, but it would come at great great cost. But at this point, I do not fear the Sampson Option anymore. I think the little heeb rats would be our greatest ally if they nuked this current pozzed Europe. The shitskins couldn't possibly survive without gibs and it would recreate the true environment in which whites would finally realise their own survival instincts once again.

I think you missed my point, if the U.S. Would stop funding Israel and backing them in wars they'd challenge some middle eastern country and get themselves killed. Also with gibsmedat.jpg could easily be solved with a system like Maine, and also people who disrespect the flag or country should lose any government benefits they receive. Basically pseudo fascism

Well if the Arabs or Persians steamroll them without amerigoy support it would still trigger their Sampson Option so…? It's best this way, countries in Europe are just begging to be nuked. One of Israel's main nuke targets is London and that shitskin infested shithole deserves all the nukes it can get. The Jews are the worst but ironically they can also be our greatest allies. Let them turn it all into ash. Soyboys will either die or become men.

Yeah, sadly they killed one of my favorites JFK when he tried to stand against them,ideally though after something like this happens the population would be horrified by this and would be in full support of taking out anyone trying to get nukes and I'd also like them to stand against automation. Basically a real life brotherhood of steel but without the stupid shit

Its impossible for that to happen unless the US balkanizes or somehow turns full fascist. Any state where the US still has muh constitution for muh white people and nothing more is a kiked state.

Don't have photos, but there was similar rallies done by the Silver Legion in California and the American South. Their leader, a guy named William Dudley Pelley, had more support than even the German-American Bund did, and at the time was the most prominent American Fascist of the interwar period. He served as a medic in the Russian Civil War for the White side, witnessing the brutality of the Bolsheviks first hand. The story goes that they captured a Bolshevik leader he confessed that he was Jewish and wanted to start a communist uprising in the United States. His work has largely been forgotten, but in that times he was one of the most likely candidates for a major US fascist party.

Not to mention that the US is currently the only superpower. They have the largest influence in foreign politics of any nation.

I agree with you here, but if the Americans went fascist the rest of the world would quickly follow, due to America's global influence.

The US has one of the largest Right-wing parties with huge amounts of support, far stronger then anything we would see in West Europe. Europe may be our homeland, but I sure I speak for the other whites living in other continents when I say that going back would be an incredibly stupid idea, not to mention unnecessary. Firstly, white homeland is not tied to a particular geographic land form. Whites used to be the majority in modern day Turkey and Central Asia, extending the White homeland far into Asia. For many years, white homeland only existed in Europe, but now our homeland has grown to include 2 more different continents. America, Canada and Australia are part of this expanded homeland. Secondly, Europe is small. If we ever want to compete with the rest of the world, we need the resources. Moving all whites abroad back to Europe would push Europe into India-tier population density. Thirdly, why would we want to move back? The land we control is incredibly valuable to whites. America is an agricultural giant, they would be capable of feeding the entire white population alone. Australia produces the most iron ore of any country. Why would we give this up?

The US right wing is cuckservitive bullshit, i never said we need to go back to europe but i hate this whole "muh white ethnostate for nonamerican whites" meme. That was the point, american nationalists have a very narrow view of how things need to be.

No need to go back to Europe.
Whites were the first to the US anyway.
"Stone-age Europeans were the first to set foot on North America"
archive.fo/m7Fy0
Even more evidence was announced recently, but I can't seem to find the article.

How is that even possible without fascism?

All I see is a lack of a fucking wall and more cronyism, the usual when republicucks get into office. US elections didn't influence right wing politics worldwide, the fucking rapefugees that slaughter and mass rape native Europeans and the constant treason committed by the commies with ties to the EU is making it clearer and clearer to the population that they need to head towards fascism. Right wing politics is just yet again corporate dominance over the masses while left wing is asking for replacement. Go third position of enjoy Jews fucking over the world.

The world is also getting sicker and sicker that the US government won't stay the fuck on their land and instead try to control their daily lives by the use of glow in the dark CIAniggers and Jewish multinational corporations based in the US sapping their resources.

Both republicucks and democucks are pro corporate domination and population replacement. Because zog. Damn near 100% of them are kikes, cryptokikes, and shabbos goy at this point. Third party (AmNat style) is the best option, but we needed it built yesterday to have time for it to grow before the midterms. Next best option is that sex scandals and whatever other kike shit causes enough of these cucks to be removed from office, or at least not seek reelection. US anons should focus on bringing down their current local (((politicians))) while also finding and supporting real Right replacements. Where applicable of course. And maybe a meme campaign targeting ziovangelical Christians that their best friend Israel has a wall so we should too.

Well put, burger anons should also learn how to evade taxes to stop funding ZOG and all its tendrils.

Fucking hell my last post sounds cringefully idealistic. My apologies, too much liquid jew for me tonight.

The amount of ethnic damage american whites would cause would cause to much damage.

Ideally you want to drop out of society and form your own homestead, the current system will not facilitate any anti-ZOG activity.

The problem is that we don't have an American ethnicity to build an ethno-state on. The (((1965 Immigration Act))) only made it much worse. We'll have to kill every last kike first, down to the thrice-damned kikelings. Then we'll find an answer to the shitskins. After Kikistan is radioactive glass.

If America can be won, all countries will be won. America is the catalyst.

I think an American ethno-state should be a neutral zone among the European ethnic groups. European people work extremely well together, and have accomplished amazing things. America itself is a testament to this, Europeans took an undeveloped piece of forest and turned it into a superpower in 3 centuries. Obviously, in Europe, all cultures should be preserved, which is why European nations should each be ethno-states to a specific European ethnicity, but places like Canada, America and Australia should be a place where all European people can coexist if they so desire.

It's funnier than that—-the Sampson Option is to nuke the capitals of Europe.
Where are the Jews in Europe?
The Sampson Option would be a literal nuclear Holocaust for European Jewry, courtesy of Israel.
When the people inevitably find out (((who))) nuked their beloved capitals, they'll string up every last kike left in Europe.

They say the next few centuries will be Asian as the West falls into the dark ages again.

This time, however, will include not-giving-a-fuck Chinese inadvertantly genetically engineering their children to become whites, starting the process to BTFO of the Hans.

Make China White Again.

I like this idea. It'd have to be ethnically European, not (((born in Europe))) bullshit, though.

checked and keked

Yep. Any European or European-descended person would be welcome. Absolutely no """European""" Turks or (((the New Europeans))) allowed. Europe itself can only hold so many people before they have to start sacrificing environmental stability or reducing population, it would be better if excess population is absorbed by low density nations.

so leftypol can meme, huh

Which USA or Australia would you prefer to go fascist first? I think it's Australia because it is stable enough not to get balkanized and the Aussies are not friendly toward the politicians so they won't cry for them when they get hang for being traitors.

As much as I wanna say "fuck off murricans", this is pretty accurate.

I actually had a discussion with a lefty fag that somehow remained friends with me, about how he was pissed he couldn't vote in the US election. While I wouldn't want his ilk voting, I myself was pretty miffed that I couldn't cast a vote for Trump given what was riding on that damned fucking election. It felt quite powerless

Even at a EU level, my country's pretty fucked overall because we depend heavily on either pulls from the UK, or from Germany. We're stuck in the middle of that shitfest. Hopefully AfD saves us all before Schultz implements the EUSSR plans.

Well, I would prefer the USA going fascist first. Even though I am Australian, the USA is a superpower and could spread fascism globally. Australia as a fascist state would get blockaded and sanctioned by the rest of the world. We don't have the power to stand alone. The United States, on the other hand, has the power to influence the entire world, imagine that power in the hands of Fascism. Not only that, but we would cut the head of the Jewish financial headquarters. Although the US after going fascist would probably be less stable than Australia, this instability would be put down by the white majority.

I actually feel a need to respond to this shill.

No, fascism isn't as focused on the ethnic component as NatSoc is. That is also why NatSoc is solely a German thing. The entire political ideology is written completely from a German point of view.
Fascism is instead applicable to any nation and folk, both from a cultural, and ethnic perspective. There's a reason every major third position party, from the Iron Guard in Romania to the Falangists in Spain would rather include themselves into the umbrella of fascism instead of national socialism.

Ultimately people that choose natsoc over fascism would rather create a western world of Germany hegemony. Either because they do not understand how German the ideology truly is (and German in a completely disrespecting way to individual German peoples like Bavarians or Prussians), or because they really do think Germans should rule us all.
As for the rest of us that just want to be left alone with our land and our people, fascism works best. But there's no reason to allow that point of fracture to be an issue until the kikes and the shitskins are handled.

Codreanu is the most underrated leader of the 20th century. The man seemed to just hit the nail on the head on everything.

Plus his quotes are 10/10 meme material.

Not a shill m8, just acknowledging the fact of the matter - without a racial component, the only thing there is to be 'nationalistic' about is a culture/state. And that's trash.
Deal with it.

This 'its a German thing' is just muddying the waters - almost every fascist group that has been cited has utterly lacked any real racial focus, they're all culturally/statist based. And that's trash.
Deal with it.

Seeeeeeeems legit.

No, National Socialism is ethno-nationalism. It can be applied to any other nation. German supremacy isn't woven into the ideology, any nation and people can embrace National Socialism for their nation.

Stop pretending a civically-oriented pseudo-nationalistic ideal is equivalent to a racially-oriented truly-nationalist ideal in any meaningful sense, and maybe I'll think about it. Perhaps.

Did you actually read this article before posting it, given that it completely supports my argumentation?
Christ, you've just given me a citation to support the statement that the best and only racialist aspects of fascism derive from National Socialism.
Its truly painful dealing with some of you.

Excise that bit, I misread the entry before full examination.

USA needs to go fascist because fascism would have been too vulnerable anywhere else.

USA can basically defend against the whole world if the whole world dares go against it.

After USA goes fascist, Europe and Japan would quickly follow suit.

Replace 'fascist' with 'NatSoc' in every instance, and yes, that's correct.

A nation is its people. A people is a race.
Nationalism is strictly ethnocentric, and all other forms of it are null.
"Civic nationalism" is an oxymoron and its proponents get the rope.

This. Civic nationalism is putting pride in an area defined by a few imaginary lines. Ethno nationalism is putting your pride in your history and people.

USA as a fascistic nation wouldn't last for long enough to make a impact on the nations. Chinks wouldn't let Australia get bully by the world because of the insanely rich resources in Australia. Chinks needed the resources badly and democracy make the Australia slow and inefficient so I am sure that they would support the fascists.

Please forgive my bad English skills.

If USA goes fascism, the only force that can stop it is the populace, because even nukes wouldn't stop USA from keeping being fascist.

The only problem is you need to purge and purge all the alphabets, the media and multi-national corporations and the israeli.

Yeah sure, lets just become the puppet of the chinks. That will really help Fascism spread globally. Just to be clear, we are talking about a popular fascist uprising, with a large proportion of American supporting Fascism. The supporters of Fascism will be able to deal with the rebellions.

>we need a new totalitarian western world that will be run from (((america)))
how about you nuke yourselves and save the world?

Europe and Japan would revert back to nationalism if US goes nationalism.

It's not a lie that the US media is the one that keeps the world in check.

if youre talking about trumps kosher civic nationalism than lurk three years befoe posting.

youre absolutely right, (((they))) do.

No, we are talking about a Rockwell tier populism uprising.

Trump gives way for that to happen.

The US media is controlled by Jews now, but the power is still there none the less. If Americans can seize that power, and actually control the American media giant, a global fascist uprising is inevitable. We are already doing so much as small independent news sources, imagine what we could accomplish is we actually become mainstream media.

The tricky question is that such a power will undoubtably corrupt.

The media is an inherently dishonest and dirty job.

Brexit happend before Trump was elected.

exactly how likely do you think such a thing is possible in america of all places?
its a hundred times more likely that a european country will rebel and the US will come in to stop a domino effect.

no, he acts as a moderation, much like how the US and western european social, welfare and workers rights policies aimed to modrate leftist influence (and thus soviet) by giving the masses just enough breathing space to not have cataclysms.
eventhough it would be worse for the rest of the world, if that cunt won the elections instead of trump, her victory would catalyse the right, and eventually the left like a pressure cooker

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sperging/
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Evolution = self de-selection of least fit.

Evolution != survival fittest. Darwin was a bit schizo neocon (like an Eternal Anglo, not exactly from Saxony). He, who went to the end of the world on a jewish cruise liner, all to state poorly, without math, without negative hypothesis, the exact same pattern of happenings visible anywhere. Intra-set genetics form Gaussian distributions, inter-set genetics form Poisson distribution, by definition of the exact same function of when the non-distinct sample size. Thus intra-group competition follows the deletion of the [-3sigma,-2sigma) first (Guassian Evolution iterates on deletion of bottom percent of ~2.5p cumulative total population). In contrast, inter-group competition follows the deletion of approximately ~90p cumulative total distribution (Poisson kills much more at each iteration).

Ex general: Kikes (part of the Asian set) introduce niggers (part of the African set) and expand in as many edge variants as possible (such as snackbars, designateds, chinks, etc). In doing so, they decrease the self-de-selection-of-least-fit cumulative death total of kikes. Inbred allah kikes are the sword of kikes, etc.

None of this is new. All of this continues to be forgotten and painfully repeated by those who cannot remember enough at each iteration. All of this is inescapable mathematics. If kikes want to stop dying, they need to stay in kikeland / "they have to go back."
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a fact mostly unknown to the burgers is that europeans have been striing for a revolt since the early 2000s.
but burgers on here dont have a fucking clue about whats happening outside their borders, however now that they managed to get a drop in the ocean with trump winning they think they started some big boogaloo.

the current riuse of the right in europe has alot more to do with the US fucking up the middle east and wanting to cripple europe than some fatce election

Checked. Also, don't forget every major city is getting filled to the brim with mongrels. Wiping out such cities would also kill more of the third world immigration wave, as well as vast numbers of pozzed whites. The loss of the few worthwhile whites in such cities is nothing compared to the losses in an normal war.

Nuclear war is an legitimate option for our interests. So much for MAD eh?

Thanks for new phone wallpaper.

Our people were so close. This can come to pass again.

This. Cities deserve a good nuclear cleansing, they are nothing more than hives of pozz and (((capital))).

This will come to pass again.

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Is that quote real? I read that book and I think I would remember something like that and I don't.

Thats pretty dumb man, that just leads to the mystery meat shit we have today. Australia is pretty much ethnically anglo-saxon and its the same for most of canada or atleast until recently.

Fascism isn't as ethnically based because the italians weren't one cohesive ethnic group. Fascism isnt civic nationalism its based off the italian people as a cultural group.

Stop talking about shit you don't know about

We won't be able to seize power by political means.

Weimar conditions create weimar solutions Eastern europe will do nothing because they arent in a do or die situation

As long as the birth control, hormone drug, perfume and deodorant is banned because it prevent the girls from smelling the future mates properly. The girl can smell the different sweats between the nigger and white.

No, no, no noononono…

You don't understand it at all.

It is not about race (although it could be part of it). What can move people to accomplish the most incredible feats, inspire them to always strive to perfection, to do the best work they can no matter what it is, to act in a manner that respects others and honors the struggles of their antecedents, that brings people together no matter their circumstance, all these things and many others, is not a limiting set of doctrines based on such a thing as low a specific genetic makeup.

What REALLY matters is a set of ideas. Ideas (memes) are the most powerful thing in human civilization. This is what we need to establish and fight for. The rest (including eugenics) will derive from those ideas as naturally as water from the clouds.

Genetics are fluid, they change according to the principles of fitness, and that can be a good or bad thing. Niggers in africa are fit for their environment. Whites in Europe are fit for colder climates with acute differences between seasons. We can claim that therefore whites are better or superior because perhaps we seek self validation or to improve our low self esteem, or by going through the endless list of accomplishments of our ancestors and compatriots - it doesn't matter.

Genetics pre-disposes behavior, but the most important thing to influence behavior (the ultimate goal?) are IDEAS. IDEAS are eternal concepts that exist regardless of the fact that there may no one on this planet to hold it in their heads. They can be thought of at any time, by any conscious mind capable of understanding and comprehending them. Genetics… not so much, as it depends on fitness, which is environment and biology dependent. Furthermore, genetics can be influenced by behavior (eugenics), so if that was the goal, that is all that is needed, but I can tell you that to fight for racial purity ONLY is a grave mistake. By all means go ahead and breed yourself a race of superior ubermench if you can, but I can tell you that better results could- no, CAN be had by discovering the best IDEAS, an ideology, which will enable us to set behavior that will enable accomplishing things we can not even dream of at this time.

Fascism or whatever it will come to be called, does not need a racial purity barrier. It needs a behavior barrier, and ultimately, if the desired outcome can be had with several national/racial groups that will remain in competition (a fact that will encourage better fitness and eugenics) then that would be all the better. But most importantly, an Ideology that does not restrict by something that can not be controlled (the circumstances of someones birth) and instead has a viable inspired population many times than that of white supremacists (this word is not used in a derogatory manner), the results of such a group will be that many times more powerful and able to achieve its goals. Furthermore, it will not have the negative baggage of the failed doctrine of German National Socialism.

Go do your fascism in Africa, nigger.

No one cares.

nah, you go ahead with yours, inside your own small head, a fantasy world of things you half understand

Boomers, OUT, and take your laughably idiotic drivel with you

It would be nice if Canada, USA and Australia become one fascist nation.

The Alt Right is pushing the same garbage the Chicago Boys implemented in Chile under Pinocet, privatization and the complete takeover of the public's assets by jew corporations and it's economic policies enforced by a neocon kike military junta. These Alt-Right faggots worship Ayn Rand the way the Commies worship Stalin or Marx. They all need the rope tbh.

Wew lad

Ayyyyyyyyyy

Fixed your typo friend

i wonder (((who))) they would be run by

(heiled)
Do you think we can has Technocracy and build the North American Technate after all?

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I suppose I could support that… for the good of America…
what a mess the damned kikes made*

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This still makes a problem for America—-we have no unique American ethnicity.
What are we to do? Blend all Whites we can find together to make an American ethnicity? Fight it out amongst ourselves after removing the kikes and shitskins? Or find something other than shared ethnicity to hold New America together? Maybe "Gas the Kikes"? But then what when the kikes are all gassed?

No need for nukes. Infrastructure collapse will achieve the same ends. Guess (((who))) spent the maintenance budget on gibs? (((They))) really can't see past their own giant noses.

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Can we exploit special snowflake chemical sensitivities to get rid of perfumes and deodorants?

Hmmm, 1 of 5. One hit, while checking dubs and pointing out a problem… the rest was questions.

I think America kind of has a basic culture already in place. Too bad it has been shaped by the Jews, but there is at least some things we can salvage. American ethnicity could sort of be a combination between Anglo and German ethnicity (which is where the vast majority of Americans came from) with cultural focuses on being the fringes of white civilisation.

Exactly. They want to genocide whites from the world. Non-whites need someone to blame for their problems, without the whites who do you think they are going to point the finger at? The Jew's own tools will be turned against him, and all intelligent races will cease to exist. The Jews should have just continued subjugating whites and made us their civilisation to leach off instead of killing the only civilisation that will tolerate their presence.

You sounds like a shitty half breed.

dubdubcheknkek

I hope not.

philosophy is a projection of physiology kike

fascism is fucking gay
national socialism or nothing

The national socialism may not work in Russia, USA, Canada and Australia. We need to stop being unrealistic.

yep, a faggot once again

FASCISM
IS
FUCKING
GAY
USSR and the USA should be balkanized, they're just shitty ZOG federations.

wew

< being this new
It isn't.
Fascism is fascism, national socialism is national socialism. Educate yourself.

forgot to sage. nigger. symbolic sage

sage

No it's not going to happen in the US. Good luck convincing the American people to go along with your shit plan, especially since they are skeptical (and rightfully so) of big gov. Keep your fantasy in Europe and stay there

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Great! We shall spread to the stars, then.

Oh it won't be called fascism, it won't say it wants big government, and it won't have anything to do with Europe.

This is so fucking stupid it might as well be D/C. There is no clear dividing racial line between, say, a German and a Frenchman. At various points you have to make culture the standard, and the standard for natsoc Germany was any white gentile that spoke German. Any number of them could've been ethnically Polish, or French, or whatever that became culturally German over the past couple hundred years, not enough time to change the genetics but enough to change the culture. How many Volga Germans were part Russian or Ukrainian? And Germany could afford to emphasize purity more because they weren't as mixed and balkanized as the Spaniards and Italians.

Blood matters but it isn't the only thing that does.

This is especially important to the USA, because if you're going to agitate based on a specific ethnic group, you're going to lose 100% of the time. Almost no one is pure German, pure British, pure whatever, they've all got some blend of Euro backgrounds. White is the ethnicity here. This applies to all of its subregions too, so it doesn't matter if Idaho or New Hampshire or Texas breaks away, they all have to pick some level of ethnic inclusion that is wider than Germany.

Wether you're right or wrong on this doesnt even matter, just try saying it to a frog and a german and they'll tell you to rightfully fuck off.
This is the bread and butter argument of lefties on why nationalism is shit.

Nonsense. Replace the variable "German" and less important, individual laws and you can have National Socialism in other countries.

Lefties are idiots, whether on purpose or not their arguments are shit.

Genetics is distributed on a bell curve, so there is rarely an explicit cut off point. Lefties will say that means Africans are the same as Europeans, which is the same as saying blue = red because they're on the same spectrum. But culture determines where you say it's no longer blue but purple, and no longer purple but red. And when you control the culture, you can over time improve it via eugenics and deportations.

Europe mostly didn't need that because it already had unity via the old kingdoms and empires. Hitler just reinstated what Bismarck had already done. But America, Australia, Canada, South Africa, and the less united states of southern and eastern Europe (e.g. Italy, Spain, etc.) will need some form of cultural distinction first before they can begin making a racial one.

Delusional. America is already finished. America cannot, and should not, be saved after what it did to Europe during and since WW2.

Even back in a 90% White America, fascism would never have flourished here. Americans are too unintelligent, uprooted, and philosemitic to be anything other than shock troops for international Jewry.

Let the country die.

How can you explain how they have been awarded a huge amount of Nobel prizes, invented ingenious and groundbreaking technologies and White Americans having the same IQ as Europeans? And unless you are German or Italian, you have zero right to condemn Americans for what they did in WW2.

In fact, even if you are German or Italian, you still have zero right to condemn America, considering what these too countries are doing to Europe today. Germany is the heart of Jewry in the EU and Italy is the main landing point of refugees.

Germany and Italy are like this because America took them over. They're still not independent, they're indoctrinated from youth in vicious anti-German propaganda, and they're not allowed to homeschool or have free speech. Read Crimes and Mercies, and you'll see why Germany doesn't rebel.

Tha's rite. Eat yourself, Babylon

This is a classic example of how shills are able to subvert Holla Forums
They take the most irrelevant issues (which are usually based around wordisms btw) and blow them way the fuck out of proportion, causing pointless infighting and butthurt.
"Fascism isn't pure enough! White nationalism isn't PURE enough!" Pretty soon, even Hitler won't be pure enough because Hitler didn't attempt to exterminate the kikes and he allowed homosexuals and individual half Jews to serve if their loyalty was unquestionable.

Alt-right(ism), Fascism, National Socialism, Syndicalism, Capitalism, Constitutionalism, ism, ist, and ic.
This is the state of Holla Forums. Instead of being concerned with preserving the White race, we're arguing over which ism label we should call ourselves.
a48e76 is laughing at us. Every post he makes reeks of his utter triumph over Holla Forums. He has figured out how to create pointless arguments over literally an ism. Shame on us all.

So even the two European fascist nations are vulnerable to subversion, and you want to blame an inexperienced nation for accidentally letting in Jews and thus getting subverted itself? The exact same subversion is what created modern America and modern Germany. Germany was also subverted before Hitler, so it was hardly America's fault they got subverted in the first place. And the people that did the most damage to Germany after the war was the Soviets, not the Americans. And I ask again, what nation are you from? Cause if you aren't German or Italian your ancestors probably damaged the Reich as much as you could anyway.

Nations don't gain experience. Being older doesn't make it any more competent. Look what the UK did this century, with its centuries of "experience", with what the US did.
True. But without the US help the Soviets wouldn't have managed to arm themselves so quickly, so either Germany wouldn't need to open a second front or it'd finish that war quickly. Without the Soviet numbers the war was winnable. And after the war the US and the other faggots (USSR, UK, France) decided to fuck Germany again and keep it under a shadow government for over a century (something not done anywhere else ever). So go fuck yourself for defending good goyim just because they're burgers like you, if anything you should hate them more than other good goyim.
That's blatantly false. The soviets didn't help East Germany's economy, but they also didn't mindrape them, unlike the US did with West Germany. The economy can recover, but undoing the brainwashing takes much more effort.

The only reason Europe is not doing fascism is because of America.
Remember the last time we did fascism and you sailed here to kill your own people to save the jews who then proceeded to gain full control of your country?

When any European nation goes too close to fascism, Americans (or more accurately, jews in America) do this:

Every European would vote for a new Hitler if it wouldn't cause an (((American))) invasion, America is the only real impediment

No one argues otherwise. However what America did in the past has little to do with the possibility of America adopting Fascism today or in the future. Would you oppose a Fascist USA today because 80 years ago they helped arm the Soviets?

>Remember the last time we did fascism France and Britain united to crush it.

Um… (vid related)

I love Europe and would do everything in my power to hinder my treacherous politicians from sending American soldiers to die for ZOG, I would help raise money to send to my European kinsmen, and if I thought it productive, I would travel to said country to fight alongside my brothers. I know many of my European kinsmen would do the same should a White uprising occur in the USA. However your claim that Europe is free from Jewish influence and would vote for Hitler if given the chance is not true. Careful about throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

Netanyahu was meeting with the leaders of Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland, known as the Visegrad Group.
He added: “The EU is undermining its security by undermining Israel.

Netanyahu also had one-on-one meetings in downtown Budapest on Wednesday with the heads of governments of the Visegrad Group, or “V4” — Czech Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka, Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo and Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico. He had met the previous day with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who arranged the visit of the V4 country heads.

In remarks following the meeting, Netanyahu invited the four prime ministers to visit Israel, stating “Next year in Jerusalem.” The leaders all accepted Netanyahu’s invitation.

jta.org/2017/07/19/news-opinion/world/netanyahu-in-private-remarks-calls-eu-crazy

Kosher fascists, glatt kosher

Fascism is civic nationalism. It is what the American left and center promote. See pic related. Also, Fascism is not a synonym for National Socialism. Italian Fascism was a marriage of state power and capitalism (like mandating people to buy health insurance from your government government).

National Socialism was designed to be a direct affront to both capitalism that unfairly treated post WWI Germany, and the erosion of nationalism and national identity that Bolshevism/Communism was threatening to unleash upon the world.

Though both nationalistic in nature, their similarities end there.

The same goes for Polish Falanga. It was based on ideology that opposed capitalism, and demanded businesses operating in Poland be nationalized removing power from jews and other non-Polish minorities. It was left-wing and nationalist before WWII. Things are so left-wing now, it's considered a right-wing extremist group now. The ideas haven't changed, just your perception of left and right.

Where was Germany's socialist policies that couldn't be called a syncretism of capitalism or communism? Where in Germany was there factories that workers owned the means of production? natsoc economic policies are perfectly in line with fascist economics because they're the same thing.

Socialism, at the time, just meant government regulation of the economy. Minimum wage laws, worker safety regulation, environmental regulation, that's the kind of socialism they were talking about. Not communists seizing the means of production or Bernie buying votes with "free" college.

It was similar to capitalism for the average man, the main differences being that the government ran the banks to the benefit of the people instead of the jews running them to the benefit of themselves.

Then it's corporatism. Also while socialism can be on a national level like Stasserism or international, it still defines itself as workers owning the MOP no matter what.

Musso never said that, comes from a book, not a direct quote of his.

Germany was not socialist int he marxist sense, Hitler and the NSDAP only borrowed the word, not the exact meaning. Socialists, as in social, not "collectivize the factories"

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You're the new one here you fucking retard natsoc is a form of fascism.

Benjamin H. Freedman's 1961 Speech Given At The Willard Hotel In DC

>archive.fo/3DpQX
>antimatrix.org/Convert/Books/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1961.Willard.Hotel.Speech.htm

Firstly, not a burger. Secondly, not defending America's actions in the war. What I am attacking is your immediate dismissal of all American fascist groups and hatred for modern white Americans just because their ancestors were tricked into being good goyim, which has literally happened to every nation on Earth. Once again, what nation are you from?

Is fascism really necessary as an alternative to democracy, and to destroy Marxism?

Yes if the national socialism is not possible to achieve in the countries where there is more than one race. USA, Canada, Australia, Russia and South American nations needed the strong Authoritarian figure to rule over them. Politicans doesn't give a shit about the people because they are effing corrupt.

LoL
Yep Europa will truly be saved by entrusting our futures to the most braindead gullible slave nation of America to save us from the infernal juwes

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Checked. We're going to make it Anons.

But that's not what OP is saying…

He said if the USA became fascist it would have a influence on the world. Just like germany did.

The US got influence on the world by being a hotbed of jewery just like the british empire

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USA only has anti-white facism.

Oh my fucking god how retarded are you man. National Socialism is a DERIVATIVE OF FASCISM.

Anything other than fascism is kike shit.

Its not though.
Fascism is kike shit bro.

Kek.

This is a classic example of how shills are able to subvert Holla Forums.

This is the state of Holla Forums. Instead of accepting all comers, instead of engaging those who place the state above their people as though they are not of our ilk, we instead reject them, plant our roots beside the river of truth, and tell those who would wish to manipulate us to go fuck themselves.
Words have meanings, and pretending otherwise because it upsets you is the ultimate betrayal.

Fascism is, and will always be, civic nationalism.

btw: I am a48e76. And I am laughing at those who would attempt to present a lie as truth for the sake of unity.

Unity through nobility, race above state, you slimy fascist cuckolds.