((They)) are trying to ban Kratom again

Try buying some capsules or oblate discs.

not sure really what to put in a general thread, but one should be made.

how do you get it down user? Try mixing it with chocolate milk, and it coagulates at the bottom and have to try scooping up a gooey mess of shit when I'm already puking. I have to find a place that sells those capsules, few pharmacies have them around me, guess I have to order from amazjew.

capsules, usually 00 (5/600 mg) size, and I just take like 6 (about 4 grams)

I tried Kratom a while ago and it was very nice. A tablespoon in water seemed more powerful than a single toke but still allowed me to function. It helped greatly with my mood as well as meditation, and had me very in a very enlightened state of mind. My usual dosage was two scoops of "white vein" powder in 8 ounces of water. I was happier, more cheerful, more energetic, and my mind was quicker to respond. I don't believe it to be a "soma" like Opium because my mind did not go simpiler, but more complex.

A very nice drug.

yeah thanks, what I figured.

its ok with kratom to not be too worry about the dose, so if you dont have any fancy scale and stuff should be fine to just pack the capsules up, it takes a ridiculous amount to get even close to what someone would call an overdose, but it might make you feel really fucking out of it the larger the dose.
also, for the love of god, do not fucking smoke it, it does nothing if you smoke it

user, if you don't already have an opiate issue, keep as far the fuck away from anything with it as you can. Broke a bunch of bones in a car accident (this was before the "opioid epidemic") and was on various kinds for a long time. Then suddenly, doctors get scared shit of losing their licenses and even guys you've know for 10 years don't want to deal with you. Then you either buy it off street like a nigger (which I refuse) or you go through the worst hell you can imagine, which involves not sleeping, eating, the shower on your body makes your skin crawl, I'd rather have every bone in my body broken over again 100x over than go through this.

You can say "you're a weak junkie piece of shit." I had more willpower than anyone I know, 5:30 alarm for gym even after a night drinking and it fucking broke me. Don't test opiates, they will destroy you.

Kratom isn't an opiate, it has a similar chemical effect in the body to Opium but is not. As I say in my post, it's not a "soma" but for me it made my mind faster rather than still. Very enlightening drug. I bet Timothy Leary would advocate it

I got it from a supposedly "reputable" place that has very good reviews. Have the red vein thai shit. But to from being prescribed 40mg methadone 2x a day (from pharmacy, not a clinic) to kratom, I have no clue if it will really help me. Might be better to just blow my brains out at this point.

it's your life user, no one can make you do anything. But even shit that mimics and binds at same receptors. There's no set point from where you need it to function and suddenly the doctors are scared shit and after 10+ years with no issues whatsoever, they don't want to even take a chance writing anything with opiates. Lowest circle of hell.

get bali kratom, make sure its good reviewed. then take about 6 grams, that should help start to get you off that shit.

Said the same thing about Laser Eye Surgery in the 90's user. Kratom binds to the same receptors, but so does Dopamine, Seratonin, Norapanephrin, etc. Differend chemicals binding to the same receptors produce different results. Kratom binds to the same chemical receptors as Opium but does not have the same effects to the body as Opium. Thisis why it's good to help people get off of Opium.

Is it illegal where you live, then? I bought it online and the shit was incredibly cheap.

I was using kratom to deal with chronic pain before I moved onto something else and I found it to be incredibly helpful. Plenty of people use it to get off much harder drugs like poppy pod/seed tea and heroin, too. It doesn't work for everyone but I hope it works for you, user. I'd much rather be addicted to kratom than what I'm addicted to now.

that might be one I have. Won't mention name of place I use or else sounds like I'm hawking it, but begins with "mu." Tomm have to try to drag myself to get the capsules. Of all the fucking times for this to happen and opiates to become "the big thing" in the news, this was a really bad fucking time. If you are functioning, working, and doing OK for 10+ years, what do they expect is going to happen to people when they gvt suddenly scares every doctor and they cut it?

naj, I meant buy real opiates off street like a nigger. Which I refuse, so trapped in a hell of no sleep, no food, just like a walking zombie. And doctors don't even want to wean you down anymore these days when it's on the fucking news every day, just worried about their licenses.

an option you could go for is liquid kratom extract. In my experience it's been more effective and has reduced side effects (like throwing up the powder or depression).

good luck buddy

Hey user, another response says to use capsules which do work, but I just make a quick shot of kratom to use. Just use warm water and mix thoroughly, and down it like you would a shot of booze!

thanks, will look around for that too. I'm only 48 hours without (from 80 to zero) and I know I'm nowhere even close to the worst of it. The pharma fucks really got me good. I thought it was a good option bc only ~10cents a pill and lasts just about entire day. Guy I knew for a decade suddenly tries to send to a (((pain specialist))), who has a 12 week wait for an appointment anyway. I know I'm bitching and whining, but I've been through a lot of painful things in life. This is by far the worst, since you can't even walk into a hospital and ask for help or you are treated as drug-addict scum. Suicides among White guys are going to skyrocket this year. Have to, people can't subsist this way for months.

I used Kratom for awhile. It's good for anxiety too.

It does in my opinion ramp up a tolerance fairly quickly, but I did not experience significant withdrawal when taking breaks or quitting. Also I can't understand the deaths claim, it's not really easy to take and makes you queasy if you take too much.

I think I normally could do that user, but when you're in DT and can't hold down a cracker and even certain smells make you vomit, afraid of losing a bunch of it. IDK, should just shut up since this isn't really politics. But christ, if you are reading this and haven't used opiates, unless you are literally dying of cancer, stay away because you will pay a price you never dreamed.

ok so i have some of this stuff, someone brought it to me from the philippines.

honestly i dont get it. whats the big deal? far as i can tell the stuff is benign and harmless no more than ordinary tea.

its also fucking damn near impossible to overdose on

it was one guy who was supposedly on bath salts, and the mother is looking for someone to blame from what I can tell, and the pharma jew all too happy to give her press.

Psychedelics should be the only psychoactive you consume. Maybe wheat beer or mead you brewed yourself occasionally

It's not an opiate but it stimulates opiate receptors hence this being life saving for junkies. That being said you can develop addiction to kratom by virtue of its pharmacological action. I actually know someone personally who took it habitually and ran out and got mild opiate withdrawal symptoms, lasted 3 days, textbook.

Funny thing is I quit kratom because I could no longer stand the taste or smell. I put it in 00 capsules but even the smell when doing that, and the taste you would still get on the capsule became too much. I took a tolerance break and then said fuck it no more. I do miss it though, was great for anxiety in certain situation and also focus. I know that's not what most use it for.

By brewed yourself you mean pbr and occasionally you mean after work at night , right? Fuck yeah party on

chekd and kekd.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Gottlieb

Withdrawals are so mild with kratom. I never abused pharma opiates or illegal opiates but I have experienced a hellish withdrawal from phenibut. Don't even fuck with that stuff, the withdrawal was like an intense fear and depersonalization. Really indescribable, not worth touching

Yes to be that guy - what the fuck exactly are you checking in his post?

the FDA is unconstitutional, the founding fathers would be appalled

10 year alcoholic here. Kratom is the reason I've been able to quit drinking for well over year now. It's an amazing plant that has helped an immense amount of people get off of the poison that they were hooked on previously. The fucking pharma kikes are intent on making it illegal so more white people die from booze and opiates. The fucking DEA are spineless puppet niggers who know damn well that Kratom is a beneficial herb that is simply cutting into the pharma kikes agenda and are going ahead with stomping it into the ground if they can. This is something worth fighting for.

Make tea user. I take 4g of whichever strain I am using for that dose (I rotate between 10-12 strains regularly to combat tolerance) and put it in a small saucepan. I then add about 3 tbsp of lemon juice (fresh squeezed or concentrate both work fine) to it, mix thoroughly and let it sit for about 5 minutes. Boil 24oz of filtered water, and add it to the saucepan. Mix thoroughly and heat over high heat until the mixture starts to lightly simmer. Turn the heat down to medium low and cover. Let simmer for 30 minutes. Take a large mug and two of your favorite teabags (I use peppermint in the evening when I don't want any caffeine and a good earl gray or irish breakfast in the mornings or at noontime) and a couple packets of your favorite sweetener (I use Stevia in the Raw, it's unrefined and has no additive bullshit but is zero calorie. You can use sugar or honey or whatever else you prefer.) Using a small mesh strainer and some damp linen cheesecloth (or a clean gym sock if that's all you have) pour the boiling mixture through and strain into your mug. Sir lightly then let that steep for 3-5 minutes and remove the teabags. Bingo, you've got an easy to drink beverage that is highly potent. The bitterness may take a bit of getting used to at first and you may want to modify the recipe to your taste but I'll tell you it works like a charm. Saved my life really. I was a real boozebag before I found Kratom.

thanks mate, will copy and paste and save for when I can get up to try it.

I took Kratom from the most reliable source on Reddit. Felt nothing. Then took a megadose 2x higher than the upper limit recommended on reddit. Nothing happened. Shit's garbage.

That's really not most people's experience with it. Sorry you got ripped off or mismeasured

I was using it to try to get high btw. Not to get rid of any addiction. I heard it was like opium or something. Well, nothing happened and I took an extreme mega dose.

I've been doing it almost every day for the past few months, and on the days I haven't (or waited until late in the day) the worst withdrawals I've had were a minor sore throat and runny nose.

There's your problem.

I'm literally austistic or otherwise mentally fucked up and most drugs don't have the intended effect on me. I smoked powerful weed and while everyone else enjoyed it I lost my ability to speak and stared at the wall for 2 hours.

I took mescalin, and while others were puking or hallucinating I felt fine but hyper aware and as if I had super strength, so I started running around climbing trees and jumping over things. No hallucinating.

I'm not sure if it was taken with something else, but I know people that have used it as a way of getting high

With kratom less is more actually, I would take a maximum of 5g at once. A smaller dose(2-3g) is more uplifting and subtle, a bigger those is in my experience more calming and makes you feel a little warm and fuzzy, depends on the kratom strain you got tho. But taking huge amounts wont help at all imo. Try combining it with kurkuma powder. But it will still be subtle because Kratom isn't like the usual drug, If you want very potent effects you can use Kratom as a booster for the effects of thc

any subhuman using drugs should be executed

Best off yourself user.

Oh look it's the token edgy straight edge dude, pat yourself on the back and fuck off

You degenerates will be executed on the day of the rope.

All drugs should be decriminalize with the stipulation that it is illegal to mass produce drugs in a blacklist

This is a perfect scenario for a perfect world. All retards will win Darwin awards for taking potentially deadly shit, while kikes are no longer allowed to use drugs to exploit people for money.

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world but one can only dream

With the rest of the 99 percent of people who dared to drink a beer in their life? I bet you're a blast to be around, you a muslim or something?

You are worse than muslims. I will personally execute you scum.

Come at me bitchboi

Its a wonderful medicine for those trying to get off of harder opiates, or are just in pain and want an herb to use to ease their pain. Even though i personally have had a lot of issues with this plant, and am actually going to begin withdrawals tomorrow, i really appreciate my experience with this plant, it exposed my addictive personality disorder to myself, and helped me emotionally during a lonely phase of my life when i moved to another state…..withdrawls from this plant is real if you become addicted, and its very rough, some people report PAWS for over 6 months, i've never cried so hard in my life like i did from my first kratom withdrawal, it was like an emotional truck hit me…..plus the physical symptoms, aches, pains, and restless legs syndrome made sleep almost impossible for me, real hellish experience…..about to go through it again, hopefully it won't be as bad.

I hope this plant doesn't get banned, it'll only worsen the current opiate crisis, and make recovery, and detoxing for opiate addicts much harder. People don't act like defeatist, they tried to ban this plant once and the people won, we can win again, i hate seeing people so sure that the good side will lose. The last ban scare most people thought it'd get banned and saw no point in putting any effort or energy into the fight……it doesn't have to get banned

fuck off degenerate

Dr. Goldstein pls go.

fuck off jose

just filter this kike, he wont even bother shilling on a normal ID, has to use TOR

First day? Have a (you)

I've taken red Thai for AI pain a few times. It's quite effective, didn't form a habit. Try mixing with OJ and let it sit for 20 minutes; it's supposed to make it metabolize faster and stronger. My wife used it to get of the pharmakike for Xanax, the day's for which can be deadly. It worked great with the tapering, she's been of both for 6 months. Herbalanon suggested Akkuma seeds as an alternative for longer term Opiod widthdrawl use which won't fuck up your liver.

I remember when the dea tried to ban it last fall. So many congressmen and senators are on it and kvetched that the dea said fuck it.

You won't be sparred, you are a degenerate.

I recommend using Happy days strawberry juice, put the kratom in, fill it up a lil, mix it up, fill it up a bit more and repeat, let it sit a lil and do it again. The main problem for me at the beginning was the kratom bubbles that would form when you don't let it sit a little or don't mix it up properly. They would pop upon entering my mouth releasing disgusting powder, making me puke instantly

rip charlie brown

edgy hymie.

As somebody that basically exhausted their ability to take more of it, and quit with only one day of half-dose then none, I call bullshit and find your reply suspect. Withdrawals are not that intense and are not some 6 month lifechanging shit. Either you are lying or need to grow a spine.

White grapefruit juice

We read it was the citric acid that percolates the plasma.

are you a soy boy too? makes sense

nothing to do with plasma, white grapefruit lessens the amount you lose on the first pass in the liver.

Citric acid is one thing, but grapefruit is supposed to potentiate with that specific ability that it has, white grapefruit juice is supposed to be better. I had good results with it.

What does this have to do with anything? I eat meat and avoid soy but you keep posting injecting your meme into every other thread with religious fervor. Soy has no relevance to this thread

Should warn, grapefruit is contraindicated on a wide variety of pharmaceuticals and supplements for its ability here. It can be a good thing but if you are taking something else too, it can be a very bad thing. So know what you are taking and if grapefruit is dangerous

No pic related. The wife and I also use psychedelics so we can smite (((you))) in the hyper war with the Kalki.

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I know I just wanted a liquid p-word to go with percolate.

for opiates/ benzos it's a potentiator. not going to knock you on your ass but might extra 45 mins/hour out of it in my experience. Only one that works is tropicana or squeeze yourself, concentrate is shit since you need the pulp.

Completely off-topic but do you remember when that meme was found to be literally based off of an underwear model picture? I remember when iron pill was spammed here incessantly, then died off after that revelation. I don't have the proof though (would have required saving male underwear model picture)

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Funny, yesterday I threw about 220g of different Kratom varieties into the trash because I started to sense the danger in this shit.
You can get addicted to anything, even if it's a disgusting tasting, shitty plant that requires you to eat ~10 table spoons of it to even remotely feel any kind of effect which usually manifests itself as mild euphoria for about an hour and dizzyness / sickness afterwards.
Still better than cannabis though.

All of the -pills except for the original red pill were cringy af and overused anyway. I'm glad it died out

the brown pill lives on

That's about as bad as it is though, it is self-limiting. Your experience actually shows that. Mine was similar but not exactly the same.

blackpill is still overused as a bludgeon to reform the board

And I mean blackpill as an accusation toward others (nobody claims to be blackpilled themselves)

yea all the Trump-cheerleaders chased off the nihilists.

I actually know a dude who's addicted to Kratom, but he's also addicted to weed and alcohol and abuses them all at the same time. I think there is some kind of genetic preposition to getting addicted easily. I try out Kratom from time to time when I'm in the mood maybe once a year, and after using it 2-3 times I get sick of the taste and couldn't even get myself to take another tablespoon even if i were forced to

Where can I buy it

(heil'd)
Is there some sort of setting in options, or perhaps a script, to automatically hide torpedo posts?

Assholes and Elbows pretty much killed blackpilling by being incredibly obnoxious, and good riddance to both him and blackpilling.

Take a hike you fucking skaghead.

I'll ask right here. Has anyone used Kratom to get off of benzodiazepines? I've kicked everything but those. I CAN quit, but I'd prefer not risking it. I tried changing my diet, exercise. The withdrawal from that instead of getting better like others, it gets worse.

I swear those benzodiazepine are the legitimate gateway drug. I likened it when I began taking it to drunk, but no hangover (memory is fucked like you drank, "I did WHAT?!")

im with this user
when i first heard about kratom, i took it all the fucking time. i was addicted to opiates and it seemed like a, relative to harder stuff, good monkey to trade for the one that i already had on my back. so i took it. in large doses. every fucking day. for two years. then, one day it came time to ditch it and really clean up. i looked online and read a bunch of horror stories about how it was worse than heroin w/ds. i was a little spooked, as when i first found out about it, i had only heard that it was non addictive, and that any w/ds were minor and easy to get through. i figured it was time to see for myself, and jumped off cold turkey.

the first day, i had to deal with the psychological addiction effects, as i had been a daily user for a while. it kept creeping back into my mind to take it. but i resisted, as i actually DID want to stop. the cravings were absolutely NIL compared to the times i had ditched heroin. but they were still there. i anxiously awaited the physical w/ds to kick in, full force, and prepared myself accordingly. but they never really came, atleast, how i expected them to. i felt a little restless, and had trouble sleeping for a night or two. but then as quickly as it came over me, it stopped. by day 3 i wasnt even thinking about it. if anyone here has ever kicked the hard stuff, they know how fucking bizarre this is. 2 and a half days of feeling a little uncomfortable. and this is after, arguably, abusing the shit out of it, taking 10-15 grams daily for 2 years.

so…
no. absolutely not. i suppose everyones body and metabolism is different, but you must be entirely devoid of willpower for something this severe to happen to you.

kratom is an actual solution to the opiod epidemic (helps alcoholics a ton too) and this is why big pharma wants it gone. they also cant patent a plant, and this is why we have pharm corps (the same ones pushing the DEA to ban it) trying to synthesize a variation of kratoms main active alkaloid mitragynine. cant lose those shekels. anyone shilling about how it is impossible to kick, is lying, or a medical anomaly.

also anyone who is telling you that it is "hopeless to fight big pharma" should take a look at exactly what happened last year when they tried to ban it. it is demoralization shilling at its most basic.

do NOT let them trick you. the only reason to ban this plant is to allow the opiod epidemic to go unchallenged, to keep impoverished people in red america addicted and destroying themselves, and to continue making massive amounts of money off of not only opiod addicts, but also ex-opiate addicts by forcing them onto suboxone or methadone (the only two drugs more sinister than their synthetic heroin derivatives) "maintenence" programs.

Didn't the DEA schedule kratom years ago?

Get a little creative, you don't have to buy everything ready-to-go. Grab an old (or buy cheap) bottle of dietary supplements and empty the capsules. At a minimum, just try it that way before you buy a large wuantity of capsules and decide it's not the way to go.

Didn't you read the thread?
They tried last year but failed because people actually put a stop to their bullshit.

I found a mug of warm water the best, taste is a little shitty but just take shots and chase with water to wash the rest down, it doesnt linger in the mouth. Also be sure to give it a stir right before taking a swig because it will settle down.

They tried last year but failed because people actually put a stop to their bullshit.
this. anyone complaining that it is impossible to stop the DEA on this is shilling for them, or just completely uninformed.

I've gotten off heroin with suboxone. The subs are so fucking hard to get off of I could have not done it comfortably without kratom.
Dones are really hard to get off of but don't give up until you taper down on the dones and try kratom it'll really take the edge off the withdrawal.
research the half-life of methadone.
Being addicted to kratom is like being addicted to coffee

This. Shoot and kill all bayer merck and phizer employees

I have had chronic nerve pain for 4 years and kratom has saved my life — I've gotten off of disability and am able to be productive again.

Fuck these kayaks. I hope it doesn't get scheduled in canada.

This is also a good opportunity to redpill a bit on (((pharma exes))) and DEA shanagins. Last year I baited quite a few people into learning more about the juden then they had known because they were looking to shekelize kratom.

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I used kratom to ween myself off of oxycodone I was prescribed due to a shattered femur. I never had a problem with substance abuse, but painkillers just absorbed me. Thank fuck I found kratom. I went from 60mg of oxy a day to nothing in a week and a half. Kratom really is an amazing plant and I'll reiterate what everyone's been saying in this thread - it's the fucking pharmakikes who are responsible for trying to outlawing this potential antidote to the heroin epidemic. As for the deaths the DEA claims kratom has caused, everyone who takes or has taken kratom can say with certainty that's an absolute crock of shit.

If (((they))) can't make money off this plant and it threatens the sale of overpriced pills, oy vey, shut it down.

Fuck off degenerate.

You probably have a very high resistence, i have the same condition. For example i need to drink like 5 times more than anyone else to get drunk, drugs mostly won't do shit to me.

Then you should be fine making your own and not adding to the mix nigger.

Me too, my legs and feet sometimes don't let me get good sleep. And, now my sciatic nerve has now joined in. I'll be walking along and go down like I was shot with a silent bullet. It's like a toothache. I have 2 disks that didn't heal plus stenosis of the spine. So painful. Gabapentin is cancer, that made me scared of myself. The mind gets dark as hell on that.

Kratom is babbies first drug.

I dump half a spoon in my mouth and chase it down with a beer

Cannabis.

I'm pretty sure you're right about the genetics thing as far as addiction goes.

Then it's time to purge.

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Anyway, I get that there are drug problems I come from an affected area. People that have never had opiates don't understand kratom. First timers for kratom can end up with a really nasty habit and shitty withdrawals, but nothing that comes even close to real opiates or benzos for that matter. Don't use this shit unless you need to it's not some miracle drug it's touted as that because it has helped some people kick terrible addictions, but do not start taking it and reading kratom blogposts about how uplifting it is for normalfags to take kratom; that's what will get this shit banned.

Kratom can be incredibly addicting. Unless you use it for pain you're a fucking nigger.

Kratom is nothing like opium, it it just a somewhat effective means of getting off opiates. And also a decent legal high of its own, either a nice caffeine-liked boost with small doses or a pleasant, chill body buzz with larger doses.

FUCK YOU FDA FUCK YOU FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!

Kratom is a tremendous plant for recovering addicts and its side effects are insignificant in comparison to alternate treatment routes. BUT if you are not an addict or otherwise utilising it for medical reasons it should be noted that it can be habit forming. Even if there are minimal long-term health effects to regular use it is still worth avoiding an addiction. Casual users can and do become habitual users.

Anecdotally I purchased some with an eye to using it as a sleep air and ended up using it several times a day over multiple orders because it was simply more pleasant to be under its effects than not. I stopped as quickly as I started but people who are addiction prone should in my opinion avoid recreational use.

If you were hooked you were not doing ok. Get kratom now, then order akkuama seed online, make tea from that it works better than kratom with less sides. Then get Wheat Belly: Total Health (book) and follow the diet guidelines.

Deleting grain from your diet will help right your neurochemistry and make quitting easier (actually makes being addicted harder but w/e). See the natural painkillers as a bridge for the emergency , then helping to the tapering down process. Should take all of two months if done right.

You're probably like me, opiates don't make me feel good at all, never have. You know, how like 5% of people think cilantro tastes like soap and all. Lucky us I suppose.

I did kratom once and it made me sleepy as hell, didn't do it again.

Go away herbal wizard I'm trying to cure anons of their illnesses here! Take your heretical seeds of grasses back to the left coast and fashion some nigger tier Reed armor out of them!

Dude taper off them now. I was on for over two years, shit took years off my life, God knows the damage to my brain. Data has come out now that three months on them doubles your risk of Alzheimer's, shit is like being continuously drunk 24/7.

Cut dose in half two weeks at a time, stick to it. Last cut seems hard but is easy, then cold turkey is a sketchy week. At day 7 of no dose at all, you will be at peak of withdrawal, make sure you are sleeping and eating right at that time, exercise helps. After 7th day of the first week of no dose, the feeling will fairly much break and it's smooth sailing from there.

Pharmajews. The main cause of internalized Judaism. They take nano-jews at the molecular level and insert them into all pharmaceuticals. Studies show that after 3 weeks of constant exposure to the nano-jew you will feel an urge to begin race mixing. At 6 weeks in the double stevie wonder study it showed development of physical deformations like baldness on the top of the head, sloping of the forehead and a noticable hook on the end of the nose. After 10 weeks at the studies conclusion 88% of patients were experiencing behavioural problems such as: reading the talmud, responding to images of white couples with an audible "OY VEY" and attraction to children. When the remaining 14% of participants were asked about the nano jews they were given they said they "had gradually grown to hate them."

Surprised to see Holla Forums being so reasonable about this drug. Good to see. Kratom is good stuff for dealing with multiple sorts of addictions, experiencing to pharmaceuticals like opiates, and alcohol. And what a (((coincidence))) the pharmaceutical industry is pushing the FDA to ban it, like this leaf that's no harsher than coffee should be treated like heroin or meth. A blatant display of corruption.

where do I order this stuff from

Hot cocoa.
Also, Jesus Christ alot of us have used this degeneracy.

A lot of Holla Forumsacks are recovering boozebags or current ones. Knowing the disgusting truth about the world can drive many to the bottom of a bottle. There are also a lot of injured veterans on Holla Forums and the opiate crisis hits them harder than most. Kratom is a way of kicking these terrible habits.

The internet, dumb dumb.

The fact that the opioid epidemic is so much attention nowadays makes me wonder if (((they))) are preparing some replacement for opium in the background.

The claim about Kratom is very funny because basically everyone is prescribed simvastatin(for cholesterol) from a certain age which guess what? is linked to seizures and liver failure.

The kikes started increasing their funneling of opioids into NC after we got their attention with our ban of fag marriage. Every day (((NPR))) radio talks about the opioid epidemic, even claiming that 1 in 3 Carolinians have been affected by it. (((They))) also talk about (((solutions))) like prescription drug user registries, and even fucking pills with microchips used to track your drug usage. If this was the kikes using opioids to just destroy people and nothing more, like in Russia, we wouldn't hear anything about it in the (((media))). They're preparing for big moves with this

This will destroy the membranes and allow the alkaloids to become more bio-available, making the Kratom more effective.

Basement kratom killed author Jim Marrs at Brave New Books in Austin. Feds seized the samples that were sent to the lab for testing. One of the disputed owners of the store at the time became a Kratom activist in the face of the DEA trying to outlaw it. I repeat, his kratom killed Jim Marrs and the Feds are investigating. The owner knows because the PI who got the sample and sent it for testing had to tell him for legal reasons. DEA would live to pin this pos to the wall for his kratom. So… the kratom story isn't over.

The only people who use Kratom are desperate opioid addicts and stupid kids who browse Erowid.

It’s stupid, and it should be banned.

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Bump seems important.

They just got kratom banned in my home county in nova, don't know about the while state yet. So no this issue is not over, yes I too see big moves on the horizon.

Coffee, ice cream, pudding. It's in the coffee family and blends well with coffee.

Some people are sensitive to the capsules themselves. I prefer toss and wash.

I've gone from my entire day revolving around kratom to quitting cold turkey back to casual use many times. I don't experience withdrawal. There is new evidence for it affecting long term memory and place learning.
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Be careful when mixing it too. Someone had encephalopathy taking kratom and Adderall. The people who have died using kratom all mixed it with other drugs.

I used kratom to manage a chronic pain condition. The opiates they prescribed sucked and were addictive in a very physical way. Now I don't use kratom very often or care about having it, but I don't know what I would have done without it.

The worst thing about this is that the government is at the same time demanding doctors stop prescribing opiates and benzodiazepines, meaning many Americans won't get proper treatment at all.

Just go to any PTSD forum and see how many Vets have an heroed BC the couldn't get proper meds.

PTSD responds favorably to MDMA. There are current studies open for veterans.

Kratom does not cause respiratory depression like most other opioid agonists, which is why you don't see an overdose problem among its users. Because of opiate addiction, they are pushing Tylenol and Advil over opiates even after surgery. The regulations are infringing on doctors' rights to treat as they see fit.

kys

Ah so that's why. Anything that helps people get off their opium safely is something that takes the profits from these drug dealing kikes.

I tried it with Hot Cocoa and yoghurt. I almost vomited both times. Then i tried it with Orange Juice and it tasted breddy ok, try that.

Daily reminder the Pharmaceutical company Purdue that pushed Oxycontin, the drug that started the opiate epidemic that kills thousands of white people every year, was pushed directly by jews. Jews directly pushed a drug they knew was extremely addictive and harmful to white Americans and its killed tens of thousands of people. Kratom is a non pharmaceutical alternative to jewish. opiates. If you are opposed to kratom you are siding with (((big pharma)))

Reminder also that Purdue lied about the effectiveness of Oxycotin. archive.fo/OlvWd Under leadership of (((Paul D. Goldenheim))), they promoted it as an all day pain killer knowing it caused withdrawals sooner. They raised concern over doctors who did not follow the dosing schedule so they could make more money.

It's over. FDA ruled that is teh deadiest drug evar…. web.archive.org/web/20171119041421/https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/fda-finally-rules-on-kratom-its-a-potential-killer/

not according to the article it's not

People don't die from taking a recommended prescribed amount of Oxycontin.

It's over. FDA ruled that is teh deadiest drug evar…. web.archive.org/web/20171119041421/https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/fda-finally-rules-on-kratom-its-a-potential-killer/>>10926846
>web.archive.org/web/20171119041421/https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/fda-finally-rules-on-kratom-its-a-potential-killer/

It's forgone a conclusion.

They are already destroying shipments and forcing distributors to destroy inventory.

The Pharma Jews wants the goy on as many hardcore Oxy and other shit and in a few months GlaxoSmithandJew will announce a brand new miracle drug that help treat addicts based on their patents of synthetic shit.

Trump will give press conference about how this will do wonder in the fight on opiated surrounded by Kushner and a room fill to brim with Pharma Kikes and everybody here will 88D underwater transdimensional stratego against big Pharma while prison fill up with white vets who are primary users of the stuff.

Just a warning to any anons who use kratom, a couple of warnings actually:
Toss and Wash is a method where raw kratom powder is placed in the mouth and "chased" with a drink.
Don't do it. Not only is there a choking/aspiration hazard but the overwhelming majority of kratom is basically wildcrafted with zero hygiene controls. It grows in the jungles of S.E Asia, where it is picked by peasants who may use their hands to wipe their asses after shitting, thus E.coli has been detected in samples of powder. You can also sometimes find hairs in your kratom. These are not human hairs, they are fucking MONKEY HAIRS. Let's not even get started on parasite eggs, so don't t&w, brew tea in a pot, or at the very least add boiling water to your glass, this will help to kill pathogens and will inactivate botulism.
Numerous users on the main Plebbit kratom board have reported finding steel shavings and fragments in their powdered kratom. I can verify that this has also happened to me. This is a simple one to protect yourself against by running the powder down a folded piece of paper and holding a rare earth magnet beneath. You can also place the magnet under your glass as you stir, or even better, use a magnetized spoon.
Glass is also a sadly common contaminant in powdered kratom, I have no idea how or why glass ends up in kratom but it does. My current batch of burn seems to contain powdered glass. This you will detect when you bring your teeth together after the swill has been in your mouth, you will feel the tell-tale crunch of the glass between your teeth. The solution to this is filtration of the brew. A standard coffee filter will remove any glass particles.
You can check the stories on Plebbit, complete with pictures of the shaker screen fragments which have been found in various samples of burn.

god damnit. Was that mentioned in the article?

Thanks for the PSA, man. You bring up excellent points; leave it to shitskins to lack quality control…

HERE HERE!

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WHITEHOUSE PETITION

petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/keep-kratom-legal-and-access-available-all-responsible-citizens-and-residents

SIGN THAT SHIT AND SPREAD IT AROUND LIKE WILDFIRE

FUCK THESE GODDAMN PHARMA KIKES

This is the slimy fucking kike that is the head of the FDA.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Gottlieb

Nothing is forcing them to be weak willed faggots. Fuck off.

I will lose my goddamn mind if they make Kratom illegal. I don't even take it daily. I go months at a time without the stuff, but it's so fucking and helpful at times. I used to be a degenerate junkie but I've been clean for years. I work a skilled trade now and have federal licensing so I can't do anything illegal. Kratom is like the one bit of fun I'm allowed to have besides caffeine and booze. It doesn't even get you high, it's just a mild little buzz. Fucking kikes man.

I hope one day someone you love gets addicted to opiates so you can see firsthand why the post you just made is fucking retarded, you utter cunt.

Hey, I am a European who uses kratom and for you who genuinely need it for pain (like I do) or anxiety, but cannot get it down without puking or fucking up their digestive tracts - you need to look into making tea.

Get about a cup and half of water, bring it to boil with a few teaspoons/measuring cups (I use 2 or 2.5 of those measuring caps that come with mouthwash). Toss a lemon in it (it helps extracting the stuff) and possibly some chamomile/dried roses and honey. Boil the mixture in a pot, then let it simmer for like 15-30 minutes. Once the tea is dark orange or just orange, turn off the gas/electricity or whatever you use and use a coffee filter to strain the tea into a mug to leave all the plant matter behind (you can re-use it a second time, which saves money a lot and the tea is only a bit weaker). Drink the tea slowly over the course of 20-60 minutes or longer even. Get something sweet later as your blood sugar will drop and you can feel nauseous.

For pain, I suggest Red Borneo (sometimes called Bali)

Red strains are generally more for pain management.
Green for relaxation.
White for stimulation.

The health food store down the road from me sells it over the counter.

Yuge bump but related: archive.fo/f2neO
THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO CLAIM THE CONCERN OVER THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC IS FAKE NEWS AND EQUATING FIXING IT TO TAKING INSULIN AWAY FROM DIABETICS
THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING SOME OF THE BIGGEST SHOWS IN THE WORLD TO SHILL FOR "MUH CHRONIC PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN" AND KEEPING OPIATES IN CIRCULATION

regulations.gov/docket?D=FDA-2017-N-5608
archive.fo/mtEW5
They're astroturfing official government dockets RIGHT NOW over this shit, ALL WHILE trying to get something safer illegalized.

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I suspect the whole "strains" thing is bullshit. Swapping "strains" to avoid tolerance is definitely bullshit because the active compounds are the same regardless of which "strain" you use.
tl;dr strains are a marketing gimmick.

fucking kikes man

I don't understand OPs post here. Is he advocating for the use among whoever or just as an alternative to doing opiates. If the latter that's fine and I could care less because anything is better than the shit in the streets. If it's the former I recommend anons don't try doing any form of drugs merely to try it. Regardless of the "claims" I think it's a much better idea to steer clear of them and think with a clear mind.

One of the Kratom users who posted on #IamKratom hashtag is a young woman who was turned into a monster by Jewish doctors.
They prescribed her a steroid ointment for a small rash in her armpit, then shot her full of steroids and it literally melted her skin off, but she didn't figure out that the kikes had done it to her because doctors know what they're doing, right?
Kratom soap helped her skin but now she's going to have to stop using it.
Fucking kike (((medicine))).
Imagine how angry they must be that she's using kratom to cure what they did, instead of getting her "treatment" from the same people who caused her condition in the first place, no wonder they're banning Kratom.
archive.fo/wocx4

If they do this to a non-White, imagine how they treat Aryan patients?

Poor girl. Ironically, they sometimes try to sort of ban things by making the available "only with medical prescription" and people fall for it i.e. the same kikes who do this and refuse to take any responsibility are the only one with power to solve the shit they do. Sounds good.

jim marrs the spook

Jim Marrs the author of conspiracy books. He wasn't a spook. You're the fucking spook.

FTFY

Tylenol mimics and bonds to cannabinoid recptors. But it's your life, user.

i used to say the same thing, but from my experience actually using the stuff and running tests on it, the effects that you get are actually quite different. it seems that the area (and likely soil and weather patterns) where the kratom is cultivated actually makes a huge difference on the level of various alkaloids that synergize together to give you effects (something like 23 different active alkaloids in different levels depending on the strain, i know this because ive researched them and done lab tests on them privately, each strain is undeniably different from one another).

i believe this large array of alkaloids interacting together is actually the main reason behind why, while kratom gives a similar effect to opiates, it has FAR less addictive potential. with prescribed medication, your body is blasted over and over with the exact same active compound. your brain and its receptors quickly get used to that specific chemical being there every day, and quickly develop tolerance against it in an effort to maintain equilibrium. this is the chemical basis for drug tolerance, in a nutshell. kratom on the other hand, by dividing up the various receptors with different alkaloids, dramatically lowers the brains ability to adapt to it, and thus (if dosages are kept within a reasonable range) it maintains its effectiveness FAR longer than prescribed medication. and this is also why consuming different strains of it offers a way to further reduce tolerance and addictive potential.

not to mention that the leaves of the trees are visibly different from one another. the "strain" has to do with the color of the leaf stem, but most people dont know this because theyve never been to fucking indonesia, and the product is generally sold as a powder or in capsules over in the states. i have no doubt that less reputable vendors are guilty of the classic potdealer scam of naming whatever they have different catchy names to increase sales (its strawberry bleu cheese maaaaaan itll get u fuckd upppp). but the fact remains, from my personal experience of doing lab tests, that the difference in active chemical levels of the strains is chemically, quite noticeable.

id like to add, this concept of using multiple different active chemicals in a drug is something that obviously merits further research. the advantages of herbal medications is that depending on growing conditions and a variety of other environmental factors, no two batches are entirely the same. this type of active chemical diversification is undeniably the way of the future in regards to reducing addictive potential, and increasing longterm effectiveness. but as we all know here, that is not the goal of the pharma corporations.

and THIS is exactly why they want to ban it. they do NOT want us to study it and find its inherent advantages over prescribed medication. they seek only to suck wealth out of the pockets of desperate people and use the medication as a form of chemical handcuffs.

We should get veterans groups riled up about this. Kratom is unfucking a huge swath of my chronic health conditions.

That's me… also it's from a tree, not a grass. zombieanon?

I tried it this past spring for my state 3 DDD at lumbar and cervical. Got some empty 100mg gelatin pills, filled them with kratom, took 5 or 6 pills then crashed. Worked pretty good through the night, but woke up with a sweet occipital migraine the next day. Tried it again a few times, same migraine came back every time. While it didn't work for me, I still don't want to see the shit banned tho.

He wrote a bunch of kosher crap that blamed everything on the Nazis and protected the jews. Especially re:JFK, he's who muddied the water by popularizing the retracted EA 11110 myth that became the standard explanation as to why Kennedy was murdered, instead of the reality: he tried to stop Israel from getting nukes.

Everybody's different, but in general I don't recommend extracts. In moderation kratom won't make you puke. Unless you were using it for chronic pain or to kick heroin I don't see the need for taking grams and grams. The extracts are more likely to build a tolerance quicker.
Exactly, a big deal is made of how kratom "binds to opiate receptors" but so does caffeine, so does chocolate, so does St. John's Wort and nutmeg. It's the downstream effect that's important. The important thing is you don't get the PAWS and respiratory depression risk and it's not addictive like opiates and opioids. Habit forming perhaps, but once again, not unlike caffeine or chocolate.

Dr. Jack Henningfield is a former head of NIDA, an authority on abuse and addiction. He pointed out that in lethal drugs (alcohol, opiates, cocaine, sedatives, heroin, amphetamines) you have direct deaths on the literature. They have not been able to induce respiratory depression or lethal toxicity in rodents with any amount of mitragynine. Just not so with any of those previous substances.

I think the stuff from the Philippines is called Mabog. It's got several different namees depending on the region. Ketum, Ithan, Thom, Kratom. As far as being safe as tea, it's actually got more antioxidant potency than a cup of green tea. On top of that it's immunostimulant and adaptogenic (adrenal/hormone balancing). Basically a superplant. They tried this same thing with kava 20-30 years ago.

The death claims have been thoroughly debunked by molecular biologist Dr. Jane Babin and forensic toxicologist Dr. Karl Ebner. This all started a couple months ago with two new death claims. Drs. Babin and Ebner took care of the first 17. Dr. Jack Henningfield (former NIDA chief) spoke at the American Kratom Association, based on the data he saw, there were (as in all previous cases) multiple other drugs in the system that were a much more likely cause than this plant that's never killed anyone.
kratom is actually not a psychedelic. The reports of "hallucinations, agression, psychosis" are all based on studies involving addicts of hard drugs, often multiple drugs who ALSO used kratom (most likely to stave off withdrawals when they ran out of their DOC).
thegoldwater.com/news/12918-Kratom-Psychosis-or-Reefer-Madness-Redux

In fact, it is an opiate agonist/antagonist. It's a mu agonist, delta antagonist. Extracts are more likely to cause more severe withdrawal symptoms. Depending on your dose, it's comparable to coffee.
pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jmedchem.6b00748
Some research suggests it might be useful as an antidepressant, for anxiety and for PTSD. Like with the opiate activity, it has an agonist/antagonist relationship with adrenaline. Also potential to lower blood pressure which is another possible mechanism for the anxiolysis.
I alsoo wonder if Scottie Boy is related to CIA alum stuttering Sidney Gottlieb, the club-footed folk dancing mind control researcher. I think Gottlieb (who was called into question for his excessive pharma ties in 2005 when he was a deputy of the FDA I believe) is a memeber of the American Enterprise Institute. A former member or two of the Cultural Congress for Freedom (CIA front infiltrating literature and art world) were early/founding members of AEI.
nytimes.com/2017/03/29/health/fda-nominee-scott-gottlieb-recuse-conflicts.html

Congrats on your sobriety. I've got an artist friend who also has used kratom to abstain from alcohol for years now. Ever heard of the red bubble method for making kratom tea? I've heard it is more effective than boiling.
reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/657b0z/frozen_kratom_red_bubble/>>10912779 Most of the folks I know in the kratom community use it because they DON'T want to use drugs but deal with serious pain or other issues that kratom relieves. Like Dr. Henningfield said, many people report a sort of coffee like effect (focus, motivation) and use it to improve productivity, not as a drug of abuse.
According to at least 4 demographic surveys results, the bulk of kratom users are middle aged or older and use it to replace pharmaceuticals, not to get high. Lyme disease, fibromyalgia and some other sorts of pain that aren't relieved by opiates are helped with kratom. Other people just like to have clarity rather than being doped up to not live in pain.

I have a friend who deals with Topical Steroid Withdrawal. Comes from using a topical steroid cream, her whole body molts and it feels like she's covered i third degree burns. Maybe neither you nor anyone you care for has ever had serious pain, but it's not just a matter of being weak willed. Not to mention, it's a lot more BENEFICIAL than most of the stuff you see on grocery shelves, chock full of corn syrup, processed sugar and other junk. in fact she's right here>>10982641

It's an incredibly diverse plant. Depending on the region , strain and vein color may have any of a number of around 77 total alkaloids. Dr. Babin mentions something about a study showing that isolated mitragynine or mitragynine and 7-hydroxy-mitragynine were not as effective as a full spectrum extract or whole leaf. It's somewhere in this interview she mentions it.

youtube.com/watch?v=7xMcP1MCILE

The FDA scare started years back with a guy named Fabricant and several conflicts of interest. As with marijuana, there are a large number of prescription drugs that it might be able to replace and since plants can't be patented, that's a threat. Whether you use plants as medicine or not, the right to use plants like kratom (safely used for centuries, a cousin of coffee in the Rubiacea family) or kava kava or even cannabis if that is going to potentially be more effective and safer.

/rant

It doesn't matter that kratom isn't an opiate. It acts like an opiate in the brain. That's enough to give people problems. You aren't the one in a million who can "stop anytime I feel like it." Go to AA or NA meetings and ask a few guys to tell their stories. I know a few hard as fuck combat veterans who nearly lost their life to alcohol or opiates. I guarantee you will hear "I thought I could handle it" as the first part of a slippery slope into addiction hell.

Chemically, alcohol is nothing like diazepam (Valium), but people become addicted to both. They cross-react at the same brain receptors. The same story applies to opiates and kratom. Avoid all this shit without an extremely good reason to take it.

Using any substance (or porn, for that matter) is an external copout to dealing with your emotions. Anons should either be capable of or learn how to deal with difficult emotions. Stay away from the seductive trap of "over here, goy, look what I have to make you feel better."

Some persons with an opiate addiction do well with methadone or buprenorphine. Perhaps for some, kratom will fulfill this same need. It's better to not need any external substances. You also should look at the recent study on naltrexone monotherapy for opiate addiction. It was just as good as buprenorphine + naloxone.

I'm just as pissed as everyone else at big pharma in general and the opiate crisis specifically. The pharma firms committing mass anal rape of the whole healthcare sector, all enabled by Obamacare. But self-managing anxiety and mood with kratom is an invitation to disaster. I'm not so opposed to kratom as I am to the idea of anons accidentally becoming addicts.

How long did you use the phenibut to cause that withdrawal?

Dont mix it with chocolate milk that shit would make me puke try mix it in with like one of those naked juices but it can stay chunky so you wanna mix it half way with a less thick juice. And let the kratom like sit on top of the liquid for a few minutes before stirring it or just shake it in a bottle.

Yeah i quit fentanyl cold turkey and it was just like 2 weeks of the most hellish body sensations and not being able to sleep for days and after the horrible physical withdrawals wore off it was just like all dopamine had been ripped out of my brain for a month or two i've never felt more depressed than i did then but it really made life feel fucking amazing once i just felt normal again.

Hits the same receptors morphine does

Kratom is seriously addictive and fucks people up. I don't support the banning of any drugs through legislation but the way you're bitching about it makes me think you're a naturalnews-tier retard.

Holy fucking shitballs, this rate of posting. Either most of the people here are drug abusing degenerates or this is some coordinated shilling.

For the genuine anons here. Don't believe these retarded claims. Kratom is powerful stuff and persistent use can lead to serious and dangerous addiction problems.

etc

youtube.com/watch?v=u3DJrcDzo5s

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Just dont be dumb enough to think your fucking fine and can maintain any sort of regular use of an opiate thats how you get addicted. Kratom is pretty strong stuff I get pinpoint pupils and shit like im on vicodin or some other medium strengh painkiller

What about the thousands of people who use it for chronic pain because they're tired of being cloudy and inebriated from opiates?

Dr. Jack Henningfield is an authority on abuse and addiction, he did a thorough 8 factor analysis on the plant. I don't know if you are a medical doctor or pharmacological researcher, I'd say just skim the science available. It's no more addictive than say coffee, that said, coffee is addictive. Unlike kratom, caffeine has resulted in lethality in laboratory conditions. There has not been one death that can be irrefutably linked to kratom alone. A study published last May referenced 50 recent caffeine overdose deaths. Processed sugar is addictive and deadly, but there's no rush to ban it. Antihistamines send 100,000 to the hospital each year, same with antidepressants, acetaminophen. Laundry pods kill hundreds each year. For people living in severe pain who don't want to go back to opiates it's a lifesaver.

americankratom.org/science

Same, refer to the scientific literature, defer to the data.

Usually people take like at least a couple grams like most people i've known take 5 doesnt sound like you took enoug

user, get on /tok and let's talk herbs. If this goes through and we lose Kratom, we can be on top of this with a solid replacement. If you're able to do lab tests, I know some good herbs that have multiple alkaloids.

Neither, obviously a shill.

Classic shill tactic.

Meaning: Trust me, I am not trying to take your stuff, I'm just a moderate guy trying to help people.

Meaning: Get back to the pharma drugs Doctor Moshe Shekelberg prescribes, it is much safer, goyim.

How about you stop handing out opioids and their precursors like candy, dear big pharma.

For anyone who relies on Kratom, I suggest getting some Akuamma seeds as well so that you can alternate between the two, and also have a fallback in case the pharmakikes win this one.

You're taking wayyyyyy the fuck too much. One of the incredible things about Kratom is when you "overdose" on it, instead of depressing your respiratory system and fucking killing you like oxy, it just gives you a wicked headache and may have you tossing your cookies non-stop. It's severely unpleasant, but not lethal, and deters further abuse. Also the high is super mild compared to other opioids.

The pharma kike shills are here.

Honestly the overdose effects are almost identical to alcohol, but without the respiratory depression,, as you stated.

Why are all drug threads astro turfed so fucking hard with "oh I use x drug too, here is my experience". I only say this because I can see a very big advantage to getting people like us doped up. A similar occurrence happened not long ago with the "psychadellics are good for you man" thread. Every time its just a bunch of faggots who start talking like they are all part of a book club who meets every week to talk about their degeneracy.

I refuse to believe there are so many fiends on this site. Drug taking is degenerate.

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Read the fucking thread. if you knew anything about kratom or it's equivalents, you'd know this is not about getting high. This is a plant that replaces addictive and dangerous drugs that are being pushed on our society, without having the negative side effects, and without lining the pockets of any kikes.

how is he taking way too much? 700 mg is NOTHING..should be taking 5 X more

Kratom is not entirely benign, but it beats the fuck out of pharmaceuticals. The horror stories you hear about Kratom are people who end up taking like 30 grams or more a day for like a year, which is a fucking insane amount. I am a regular user for chronic pain and I take at MOST 8 grams in one day, and I have been using it off and on for like 4 years.
As to those who are baffled at why these threads are filled with people who have used drugs etc before - you are on Holla Forums Holla Forums, we are not normal people and furthermore we exist in the kali yuga, if you have to take a natural substance to deal with pain rather than sell your soul to the pharmaceutical kike, it is more righteous path to take. There is no nobility in suffering for no reason when there is an alternative that isn't soul destroying. That being said, people should use this in moderation, and stay away from extracts. Not only do they nuke your tolerance, which leads to bad things, but they don't give you the full spectrum of alkaloids the crushed leaf does. Also note there is a notable difference between different strains. Reds are more relaxing and better for pain, Greens are fairly balanced, and Whites are stimulative.

To those with difficulty taking Kratom - mix it with orange juice / grapefruit juice. Definitely the best way.

Fiend? Everyone has issues user, sometimes it's the only thing that keeps you from snapping on a breivik tier rampage.

Pics related? You might say, oh, but they're in a war, they're about to die they're just doing it! Aren't we fighting our own war inside out and out? And in the end, anyone that's like us and does these things knows what must be done, after all, we're all here and we're the slyest vipers of them all, what better than to have your mind above what you desire to help you cope than to be closer and closer to people that sell this junk. One day, they'll all get theirs.

by the way not even speaking on behalf of Kratom

Naltrexone and the sinclair method are great for alcohol addiction.

If the coffee filter stops glass particles then it will stop metal shavings as well. Simply filter it like you would coffee and brew the filtrate. Not that scary then.

He did not inhabit your world view, must be a spook.

doing drugs is obviously a vice, but so is spending all day on imageboards and so many other things
I would say that the debate over drugs, liquor, gambling and the like are outside the left-right/globalist-nationalist dichotomy

Following off what this guy said, I take no more than 3 grams a day, and only sometimes. Everyone should always heavily research substances before putting them in their body. Kratom has opiate like effects depending on the dose but is NOT an opiate. If you have a bad experience with it, you're probably not doing it right, or rarely you might have genetic/diet complications. Only side effect you should get if you aren't taking too much is constipation. Besides, what's the difference between a drug and a medicine? (You) shouldn't not take something just because it feels good. Being a self-flagellating idiot doesn't help (you) or anyone else.

Research. Be responsible. Don't be stupid. Simple. It's a fucking plant for christsake.

That's because they know opiates are killing whitey.

You are both right, and wrong, user.
replies are important, because in a world controlled by the pharma jew, obtaining reliable information can be difficult. It's also concerning, if I take this wierd shit that's supposed to be a drug, what will it do to me? If you've had any real exposure to the medical system, it's obvious that all doctors are pretty much quacks that don't know anything, and only care about getting paid. ( there are precious few that don't fit this description, but they do exist )
Yep, taking drugs for pleasure is degenerate. If you think taking drugs for medical reasons is degenerate, then I suggest you stop taking any medicine when you get sick, you degenerate fuck.
Yeah, I tried weed as a medicine. It worked, helped my pain. At first. It very rapidly, however, quit being effective, although the negative effects lingered. I experimented extensively with ways to minimize or negate the psychoactive effects, with quite a bit of success. In the end, I'll occasionally use hemp oil in a topical application to sooth arthritis. The drawbacks to weed use far outstrip the good parts, at least for me.

very nice mood elevation supplement. can't see how people actually get "high" on it

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It isn't a matter of worldview. Executive Order 11110 did one thing, Marrs claimed it did another, citing a source who retracted the story after seeing that it was false. He also received a payout of multiple hundreds of thousands from Arnon Milchan for his work on the film "JFK". Milchan was connected to the same nuclear that Israel killed Kennedy for opposing.

And why was Jim taking kratom in the first place? He's who revealed that herbs were part of a Nazi plot in Rise of the Fourth Reich:

We stopped them once and we'll stop them again.