Spain on suicide watch

IT'S HAPPENING
CATALONIA JUST DECLARED ITS INDEPENDENCE
The Catalan parlament just declared Catalonia Independent with 70 votes in favor and 10 against.

eldiario.es/catalunyaplural/politica/PSC-declara-Catalunya-republica-independendiente_0_701680316.html

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IT HAS BEGUN

FIRST POST CONFIRMED FOR JIDF FREE

I read this as:
California
and suddenly got wildly optimistic I might get a chance to start the counterrevolutionary violence. Now I'm just depressed all over again.
t.Califag

Good luck, Catalonia. When you're free, try to be less spic.

hopefully this doesnt become Brexit 2.0

good luck from Veneto

What does this mean exactly?

Shit's going to hit the fan soon.

spanish riot police beating hippies again

On the eve of Nov 4 no less. Man, I hope this turns into a commie bloodbath.


Fuck yeah, let's convince these commies world wide to revolt.

Oh boy am I gonna enjoy when the Legión gets in there and they all get shot.

You can only be as independent as your military allows. So what are the catalan armies specs?

yfw there is a "Marcia su Roma" in program for Nov 4

romatoday.it/politica/forza-nuova-manifestazione-4-novembre-2017-roma.html

Someone said catalonia has the highest sandnigger population %

RWDS NOW

So you're saying I need to get some popcorn ready.

How did spectre say it was a transformation of Europe to multicult if it wasn't planned and all the refugee talk is an excuse for the transformarion jews, she said, wanted?

Fellow user in Veneto here. Wish luck to the survival of the New Republic of Catalonia. May it ever survive commie fag infiltration and may Kek bless the day that this is seen as another landmark in the break up of the (((globalized))) (((EU))).

Seriously however, they're going to need luck. Spain will break heads over this. Civil war in 3…2…1…

That image is exactly the same shit as this one.
And also, catalans aren't commies, they aren't natsocs. Catalans are just regular people, who wanted to vote.

A big bag

I hope someone livestream the beatings of the crying hippies.

No matter how this turns out Spain is out up to 20% of its total tax take.
Since there's no way they're going to be able to get the old tax revenue they did after kerbstomping the shit out of Catalonia.

Another bankrupt state in the EU.
Begging Germany for gibs

There will be many livestreams
I'll also repost what I find on cellphone networks

So who is guaranteeing their independence?
Who allowed them to do that, and who kept spain from interfering?

Hope and illusions

Spain has yet to interfere. It's going to take them time to put together a military response because Spains military is a joke.
I think we'll see police today and military slowly dribbling into it over the next week.

I made this nigger.

I live in Barcelona for years and it's a commie shithole. You can't walk 2 blocks without some dune coon offering you drugs/beer.

Nice try though kike.

Spain is going to interfere, they're not gonna let the catacucks commies just take their land away from them.

But this is a key matter, we'll see how EU handles this vs. the Ukraine crisis and Crimea situation.

Spain knew this was happening and just watched all of it.
Who is keeping spain from doing anything?
Who directed this catalonian separation scheme?

If dubs, putin sends s400's.

Well the EU encouraged and financed the vote itself.
No idea if they're behind it going this far though.

And I don't think Spain expected them to actually go and do it.
They do have police ready to roll in and some military on call. But again the Spaniards are not a well prepared state. Their military is disorganised and weak with the police barely being any better.

ex-spaniard here:

so how's australia? do you get to fight kangaroos and shit?

You didn't say where to
If dubs to catalonia

Spaniards can not into Australia

Basques at least can
I could.

So it's just a puppet show, how boring

There is a lesson to be learned here somewhere im sure.

Fags stole our dubs. Ain't nothing gonna happen now.

Spanish politics on its entirety is a puppet show with our president being the puppet with most string attached to him

dubs for franco respawn

Ukraine is commie jews.
Kurdistan is Commie jews.

How is this any different?

The EU was using it as a way to rattle the Spaniards into compliance.
It may have gotten out of control though.
Though for the EU any outcome is acceptable so long as all involved parties remain in the EU.
Since a weakened Spain and independent Catalonia (now in the EU itself) can't deny the EU and are reliant on it.

This is mostly so the EU can start making overtures to Scotland to try and get them to ditch the UK and join the EU. Something the Spaniards wouldn't accept under any circumstances.
That way they can get a pound of flesh from the UK and have somewhere to position their forces when they get their EU military together for an invasion of Britain.

Agitating Spanish substates is the only route they have after the whole Gibraltar thing fell through for them.

It might be the straw that breaks the central banks back

Can anyone tell me if there is an overwhelmingly agreed upon political ideology in Catalonia? Are the urban and rural areas united in belief? Same thing for between the classes? Basically how much of the populace is for separation/independence?

it's a minority, they're fucking SJW-like, after the van of peace in august they put themselves in the front row so it would seem that all that people would be in favor of independence, when they were there for the "no tinc por" thing against terrorism

Idiotic animu pic makes the post irrelevant.
And spain is in EU, thereis no point in fracturing or doing anything to it as it will follow whatever eu demands.

On its own Catalonia is fairly wealthy for its size.
Remember it accounts for approximately 20% of Spains total tax revenue.
As part of the EU this could be expected to experience only a minor dip in the long term and would probably result in Catalonia being a net contributor to the EU (though only in small sums overall)

Spain meanwhile is already a lost cause economically in the eyes of the EU and most of its core members.
It's set to take a considerable hit to multiple sectors from Brexit losing out on UK tourists, fishing waters and high value workers from Gibraltar. One of the reasons Spain is so worried right now about losing Catalonia.

Thanks, half chan essentially gave me the same answer. Just wondering, having studied revolutionary history without a link in ideology between all classes and geographic locations successful independence is very hard to pull off.

The EU is hardly unified. This is why it's so difficult and time consuming for them to get anything done. Why everything with them always come down to the last second of the last hour of the last day.

To achieve anything they have to cut deals and make concessions to most member states.
Spain has been the biggest roadblock in regards to "secessionist states" like say what Scotland would be if it left the UK.

>implying the (((EU))) will let Spain do that

(heil'd)
Barcelona really doesn't represent all of Catalonia, but yeah, I also live here and it's kinda of a leftist shithole, but that's also depending on which part of Barcelona you live in. By the way Barcelona's mayor, (((Ada Colau))) isn't an independentist
Being an independentist isn't based on being on the left or in the right, its based around WANTING INDEPENDENCE. But that's just how I see it.

Depends on where you live. If you live in a major city prepare for full on commies, but most of the population living in smaller cities or towns are just neutral, slightly left or slightly right.

Thank buddy

TANKS IN 20 MINUTES

How much of it comes from tourism? Are they actually productive or just fed up from paying for everyone else? Also how beneficial will it be to hurt the EU? If they stay a member nothing will change but that the rest of Spain becomes more reliant on the EU to the point of being financial slaves. I always like to see the will of the people succeed but i'm not sure about the bigger picture.

Not as much as the rest of Spain supposedly.
It's a lot more industrialised compared to the rest of Spain.
Though even a quick (((Google))) search could tell you that.

You tell me user. Btw OP is a Holla Forums trying to paint Catalonia as anything but, beware.


I would agree regarding the independence if it wasn't done in such a dirty way (bringing in illegals to vote, kvetching to EU, etc). Everything Catalans claim (different language, culture, etc) is true for all provinces of Spain. They aren't special.

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This.
One world government push. your newswire.com/pope-francis-world-government-rule/amp/
Babylon USA Documentary (2017): youtu.be/uvk_jmM-rDs

Businesses were moving their headquarters out of Catalonia when all this shit started, even their bank moved headquarters, if there's some turmoil there they are more than ready to leave the region.

Will it last longer than 8 seconds?

It's not exactly unusual. Spains various regions keep offering "incentives" to companies to move things to their turf.
Even as it was losing some it was gaining others.
But the last few years it gained a bit less than it lost.

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This looks like a job for the EU army! Sure is (((lucky))) the first major potentially military crisis to break out on the continent is so small and easily managed, huh? Just like the last time Catalonia fought a harsh Castilian overlord, this will be an excellent place to unlimber those USSR guns.

Post yfw the US declines to recognize Catalonian independence, calls EU military intervention an attack on Spain, a NATO ally, and then blasts Brussels with nukes.

Watching livestream; waiting for Spain shocktroops to roll through with batons.

Where do you newnigger outsiders come from

First time I hear this, I thought you needed to have the Spanish Nationality and/or live in Spain/Catalonia for more than 5 years to vote
I've seen a bunch of people being against entering the EU after they announced they didn't give a fuck, but yeah, most of the catalans (and a lot of spainards) are sucking EU's cock.
Andalucia doesn't have its own language, neither does Murcia, Madrid, la Rioja, Castilla y León, la Mancha, Navarra, Aragón, Extremadura, Cantabria or Asturias.

They only have the loyal Mossos D'escuadra. They are just as strong as an American University Police Department.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia


These are really interesting times.

Or was. In the meantime, 1400 companies have left Catalonia: zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-26/almost-1400-companies-have-left-catalonia-october-2

Hi, bot shill. Tell your (((programmers))) you need an adjustment. Don't know why you're shitting up a thread about Spico Rican Independence Day, but I'll go with it.

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Yeah just like all those illegal Mexicans in Texas and Cali who totally didn't vote in the federal election right? Please.
Cherry picking the provinces which are autonomous (9 out of 50). Wew.

OP we know you're a colossal faggot. Catalonia is pozzed, needs the RWDS and you know it.

Here have this too.
>archive.is/dxvJD

Navarra does u faget

What's the deal with Navarra?

I didn't say that. I just said I've never heard about illegal immigrants voting for independence, in fact most of the spics, sandniggers and gypsios on spain are against independence.
I was talking about the autonomous comunities, you moron.
Provinces=/=Autonomous Comunities.
Are you seriously this fucking retarded or have you just given up?


They speak euskera, which is also spoken in the Basque Country.

Exactly, so Catalonia's claim for Independence based on language/cultural differences is moot, which was how this whole conversation started here

Seriously how big of a faggot are you OP?

I don't need to speak taco to know what this means.

Gas yourself kike.

Swing away, Merrill

US Department of state is backing Spain

There's like 6 autonomous comunities with another language other than spanish, three of them aren't even original from their respective comunities. Two out of the 3 comunities with original languages have showed to clearly want independence.
Not all provinces like you said have different languages, so you saying this sends this conversation back to simply isn't true.
By the way, one question: How the fuck did you not notice I was pointing out autonomous comunities instead of provinces? How big of a butthurt spanigger are you?

He's responding to the user that claims they speak their own language EVERYWHERE which is not true. Outside the basques and catalonians there is barely any regional identity, at least not in the form of even wanting independence. The basques also have the problem of going across countries borders.

Classic diplomacy: say one thing, do the opposite. Catalonia has a fucking embassy in Washington DC for crying out loud.

Is that embassy recognized by the American government, or is it just some flat that a couple of Catalans are renting out and calling an embassy?

I was a bit sad that never became a meme.

To be fair Tanya is a smug nazi wizard.

Kek

Gas yourselves. I hope the socialists get rounded up and shot.

What do you think?


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This is also interesting: cataloniavotes.eu/en/the-government-of-catalonia-and-the-state-of-california-sign-an-agreement-to-encourage-business-and-economic-cooperation/

The spanish and catalan socialist parties are against the independence declaration.

Because Basques are the baddest of goys that resisted Rome, Visigoths, Muslims, Spaniards, (((the EU))) and globalists. Which is why Bilbao is filled with cuisine and museums filled with art and culture which does not belong to the Basques. Speaking Euskera means spaniards grinning from thousand miles away. It is amazing to watch how they claim everyone is a xenophobe when they can't deal with a culture that is in there for thousands of years resisting the whole world saying they can't have their own culture.

When you fuckers want to take advice, take from the Basques and retreat to the Pyrenées caves.

THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE

If Galicia and the Basque Country don’t capitalize on this chaos, THEY’RE FUCKING IDIOTS. If all three try to break away from Spain at once, they won’t lose. Individually they will. And if Spain collapses, there’s no way it will be able to stay in the EU (after its total financial insolvency), so there goes the EU entirely.

Not this bullshit again. You Burgers have absolutely no clue about the EU nor Europe.

1. The EU supports Catalonia as part of their Euroregions policy.

2. Catalonia is pro EU. They want to leave Spain but be a EU member state.

3. The only to way to harm the EU is by being outside of it and resisting against it as best as you can like Switzerland Liechtenstein Norway and Iceland are doing, or leaving like the British are doing.

The Euro is going down. I hope this kills the EU.

What movie and song is this, user?

Not sure about the movie, either, but you can find the song by looking up "nazi hellmarch"

>YES GOY, EUROPE MUST BE DIVIDED INTO THOUSANDS OF MICRO STATE OR ELSE YOU'D BE PART OF THE (((EU)))
There are unions and there are (((unions)))

Spaniards have to be one of the most insufferable, stuck up arrogant cunts I have ever met.

Al menos los judíos disimulan. Espero que su país se caiga a pedazos.

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President of the European Parliament condemns.

Thanks, user, I appreciate it.

Scottish Culture Secretary @FionaHyslop releases statement. Says they empatize with Cat Government, calls for dialog between Cat & Spain.

archive.fo/oqo5W

Spain should take lessons from Ukraine, bomb the commie dipshits.

Hellmarch is from C&C Red Alert and it is fucking great.

That game does not hold up, but this song is forever.

sage because offtopic

What, again?

I hope the Falange comes back stronger and better than before, not with a dipshit like Franco in charge, but with a true leader like Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera.

Im surprised the Scottish government arent more bitter that their people didnt want indepdence after all.

I'm conflicted.

> + Breakdown of globalised federated states into smaller ethnostates with distinct culture, self-reliant economy, no (((central banks))), small government, direct rule

< - Catalonia is, and always has been, a Commie shithole and half the population deserve a vicious beating by riot police

why not both?
just think how small a rwds would have to be to be effective in a newly independent catalonia
you'd need europeans with balls though, let's see if there are still any around

Out of all of them the Basques deserve to be independent the most. Literally a race apart.

Think about how I felt when the TRSfags on here praised Donbas commies as (((based))). Retards come and go.

Fucking great. I'm waiting for first blood. It can only hasten EU fall.

Indeed

Fuck off, chochoł or jewr?

Would it not be positive if Catalonia succeeded and became independent? It would strengthen the national spirit of both Spain and Catalonia. They would also resent each other for years, giving people future national identity and unity. It would also future weaken the European Union.

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That’s why I can’t help but feel support for any group of people who desire autonomy and self rule. Hitler wanted it for Germans. Mussolini wanted it for Italians, America wanted it despite even sharing its language with its mother country. There is nothing more noble than the desire to control your own destiny. Now if they want to become communist slaves then so be it. There can be socialism separate from Jewish dictatorships. I just hope that this hurts the EU. They are nothing but an occupational government. They are Europe’s ZOG. If it ends up helping then I’ll root for them to be crushed by real nationalists. All I know is that pro eu sources seem nervous. There’s an article written by some pro EU nutcase that says that the EU must ‘confront separatists,’ and ‘unmask the hypocrisy of nationalism.’ These words are nothing more than ((globalist)) poison. Good luck Catalonia. I personally don’t give a fuck how you run your country, but I appreciate your wish to run things your own way. (My feelings of course hinge on this not being some globalist colored revolution bs. Legitimate independence and deep state globalist funded destabilization are not the same things.

Globalist jews are not ALL communists after all. Many are outspoken warmongers.

Neither nationalist Spanish nor nationalist Catalans are our allies. Nor is a united Spain our ally, nor is a divided Spain our ally. Nor is a united Spain a hindrance to the EU, nor is a divided Spain a hindrance to the EU.

There is no real angle for us here. So all I'm hoping for out of this is that there is videotaped violence to amuse me.

>>>Holla Forums
kill them all, Spain

Anyone have the source of the nasheed playing in the part with the toddler?

Don't you DARE associate Spanish with Mexican "Spanish", faggot.

But you don't live in California, which is a big place. Not all of California is gommie. "Cuckifornia" is more accurate than "commiefornia".

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Eurocucks do the same to us nigger.

No, because no one cares about the tribal politics of your mongrel nation

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Never happened, and you’re a lying shill who needs to have nice Estramaduran pork sausages forced into their lying face and stamped right in with a jackbooted foot.

Rex Tillerson on soon to be gone.

We can only hope.

We'll have coffee in Huesca by tomorrow morning, Lads.

mfw

Wouldn't you cheer if it was California?

I met a professor at my college that said the Spics were better than Anglo-Germans because they "assimilated" the natives instead of killing them.

If by assimilating the natives he means enslaving them in vast numbers and raping the everloving shit out of them while showing a total callous disregard for their safety/lives?
Then yes they got assimilated, they got assimilated HARD

Aragon is in Catalonia you retard, also navarra speaks basque.

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The end result of which is Mexico is packed full of natives while in America, natives are practically a non-existent endangered species.

Strictly speaking?
No.
Because the natives were genocided by dick.
Now there's only the mongrel offspring of the Spaniards and the natives.

Exactly what I told him, but he dismissed me and brought up the Trail of Tears and Sioux wars.

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You're completely deluded. There is no shortage of full blooded or near enough full blooded natives in Mexico. Pure whites in Mexico are nearly as rare as pure natives in America.

Oh boy, tanks when?

whos ready to kill some commies? I'm excited, I knew this post war society meme was bs.

As soon as shit starts I'm flying to Spain boys

its dont

Note I point out MONGREL offspring.
Yes there's no whites. Because they fucked everything with legs and mixed with the natives.
Because Spaniards.
They're worse than the French on this front.

Retards like you make me wish all American IPs were just banned.

There are, they're just very rare. Meanwhile full-blooded natives are something like 20-25% of the Mexican population, with mongrels being the rest (and with most mogrels being mostly native).

Cataluna is about to get BTFO very soon

You'd be fortunate to find anyone who is actually a full blooded native.
They're functionally extinct at this stage if not completely so. Oh you get idiots who think they're pure natives but they're always mongrels.

I wonder how the (((EU Bureaucrats))) are going to respond

They're staying out of it

Too naive. An obvious issue is wither or not Catalonia will be in the EU

The EU was the boogeyman of the early 2000's. Not anymore.

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The answer is yes.
The EU won't allow a region to break out of its grip.
Plus a weaker Spain benefits Brussels as mentioned earlier in

The EU isn't going to continue losing their power if we don't remain cautious of their existence, retard. Europe will never be truly free again until the EU is completely abolished once and for all

Well, at least it'll entertaining to see these literally lisping faggots get their shit pushed in by a righteous jackboot (again)

This is a good thing, this is a good wake up call for normalfags and in order for nationalists in europe to gain more ground the EU will have to be destabilized and the left will soon have to make excuses for a failing catalonia.

Reminder that going against the federal government isnt a bad thing in this case because every modern government besides a few are kike shit. Catalonia is going to crash the EU with no survivors.

Checked,i feel you.
I live right in the barrio gótico,i have seen shit and degeneracy,i have seen 3 mosques on the very same street,i have seen Nigerian prostitutes catcalling mourning people where the terror attack took place as soon as it was opened to the public.
Barcelona needs to fucking burn to the ground.

P.S. Personally i think independence is the worse possible outcome for catalonia,they are the most enriched area with more commies,and just want to cuck their shit up even more,i wish them luck,i for one don't give a fuck and will reconquer the land when it becomes the north most point of africa.
I dont care for all the fag commies and brainlets that let this happen.
I'll stay and hope the best happens,if not I don't care,i love happenings.

That is the case in America, not Mexico.

Fag from veneto here, please get your shit together, create your own money, army and borders, get back your freedom and dignity from this nazi EU

Does Catalonia even have an army or weapons?

for sure it have big military industries

if they manage to push globalists/leftists away from the government,
keep the order of law,
put themselfs in a defensive position, taking care of local interests,
seize the properties of banks and other industries that left for other regions the last few weeks
invest a good part of the GDP in the industries that stayed, with a big push on military expenses

they might be able to get out of this and bring a new wave of freshness to the whole europe

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Can industries actually produce so much in couple of days? Catalonia doesn't even have an air base according to wikipedia. Does Catalonia actually have an air defense?
Spain could wreck havoc upon rogue government in matter of hours. I can't imagine Spain just giving up clay. That's the only thing you defend to the bitter end.

Catalonia, please consider UK, Lombardy and Veneto your allies.

All this shit should have been prepared much more carefully

Explain this image.

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Spain cannot do shit without using violence, and using violence is going to start havoc at the european level. This, and we should take back our land

the banks can just close in the area. does catalonia have any money, gold, food stockpiles, weapons, military or police of any kind? i assume there's a police force there that i guess is on board.

ITT: Retarded faggots who think leftyniggers are in charge of Catalonia and want it to secede

Industrial production, food, weapons and man are the numbers at stake.

Money can be easily moved but is not the culprit here, just go out of Euro, checks will be paid eventually by whoever win.

regardless of the actual details of the situation, because it is at the moment irrelevant just how cucked barcelona is
use this as a way to redpill normies

remember them that the (((eu)) recognized all the balkan shitholes of countries with 200k people in them and an economy of goat molesting, whereas catalonia would be a country bigger then halfthe current EU
also show all the police brutality on normiebook and compare as much as possible with syria and ask the question why is our own government allowed to oppress people
mail your local eu representatives with many sockpuppets demanding they condemn spain and organise boycots of typical spanish products
considering the rather precarious economical state of spain a relative mild boycot campaign can cause them harm
the problem here is spain is in essence waging a war for keeping the tax revenue of catalonia, while doing so would destroy said tax revenue, it is a situation with poor victory conditions

also in the dystopian novel i am currently writing i am picturing the chaos if unmasked snipers start shooting and molotoving first into the crowd of peacefully protesting catalonians and later in the week into the tightly packed clumps of riotpolice, surely the highly trained spanish police and tactically restrained politicians could contain the situation

They fucking are though. La Esquerra Republicana is behind all of this, I bet.

These are the most confusing dubs I have ever witnessed… what is in going on in that picture?

I bet you are a faggot.

Now you're just making stuff up because you're butthurt. That's not okay.

José Antonio Primo de Rivera return when Holla Forums?

REMINDER THAT CATALONIA'S 4 TOP PARTIES ARE ALL LEFTIST!
Here's hoping it'll crash and burn after Spain refuses their EU membership

Reminder that in EU
right wing = bankers and kike gerontocracy

Which doesn't excuse leftism in the least, bitch. There are nationalist parties in Europe if you look, and the bulk of right wing parties, even the (((centrist))) ones, do not push LGBT degeneracy, nor do they want rapefugees. Kill yourself, commie apologist.

DEAD LEFTISTS SOON

you are full of shit I am not going to vote for parties which are not making my interests. Left wing right wing I dont give a damn

Catalonian parties are declaring independence from the EU which is pushing all things u call degenerate and more, I am on their side. You fuck off

I have no dog in this fight, but I welcome the increased instability this will bring.

Maybe you should join your like-minded friends at leftycuck, I'm sure you'll find many like-minded "patriots" there.

TANKS IN 30 MINUTES

Sauce?

The (((EU))).

What a surprise.

Lurk, faggot.

Splitting Catalonia off from Main Spain to dump toxic Spanish bonds on one of them and dispose of the problem in one huge collapse? But which one, Catalonia or Nigger Spain?

The goy in the EU have been becoming more and more unruly and informed lately, psyops do not work as well anymore. It's time to show the goy what happens when they would even think about resisting, Catalonia will be made an example of.

Don't talk shit faggot. Sauce of tanks going to Catalonia or it didn't happen

It’s a meme, you fucking newfag. Do not post for two years.

I fucking LOVED that game in the day. There's OpenRA now, which is a rewrite of the engine and it uses the actual RA assets.

Kike false-flag checked.

Not really, your american education is showing.


>(((catalonian officials))) chimp out anyway, rub their hands together and try for a civil war while the (((EU))) encourages it.

The EU was a jew founded concept, and only seeks to propel their plot to destroy and control the true european people.

According to population size, catalonia doesn't have much beyond an average proportional income.
However, about 60% of the people in catalonia are outsiders - so if they leave or are forced to leave, that reduces catalonia to a poor state.

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in order to avoid people blaming him for his own incompetence the spanish prime minister attacked the catalonians, hoping for drama so the spanish people would rally behind him
very old trick in the book, scare your citizens of a foreign treat so you can rape their wallets
it has something to do with madrid beings dicks over extending the semi autonomy of catalonia that started this
rajoy's gambit paid of the spanish people are rallying behind him against catalonia, real feeling on the ground doesn't matter if spanish anons were to object this is the story being shilled in the media with to date no counter, however he might have miscaculated how far the catalonians will push it
fucking up spains debt to gdp would be hilariously simple


true as their gdp is proportional to population
however catalonia is raped in taxes as they contribute much in gimmedats to the other province ex the madrid region

Basque have settled down quite a bit after the 2005 bombing it seems. I was in Pamplona for the running of the bulls and the locals were pretty chill.

Btw Catalonia banned bullfighting because "it's not part of their culture". One of the old bullrings in Barcelona got turned into a mosque looking museum. Pic related.

Sorry to get off topic a bit there but Navarre and Basque in general is beautiful, and imo stronger culturally than Memelonia.

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Good luck to you user. Get a gun legally if you can. Shit is just getting started.

Thanks for your explanation

REMINDER THAT WWII STARTED WITH THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR

In actuality they banned it to piss of the Spanish.

More like butthurt Francoist Spaniards who don't understand Spain is occupied by the globalists
Falangists nowadays are larpers and Falangism didn't fully grasp the peoples of Spain from a historical perspective. Spain was always a country of strong leaders, that much is true. The leader could be a complete asshole, but he needed to be strong. That's how you get people abolishing the constitution they fought and bled for after kicking out the French, and installing fucking Fernando VII who dismantled the empire, the colonies and the industriy, sending the country back a whole century.
But at the same time Spain is formed by tribes. ALL of these tribes must work in perfect harmony and with a common cause. A federal republic or, ironically, a monarchy less based on Castile's centralism and more on Aragon's rule through self-determination is what would make the clock tick. Centralism doesn't work on all of Spain. Franco knew that, so kept his own army of caciques in power and happy. Keeping leaders pleased is easier than keeping people happy, and nearly as effective.

This WHOLE thing would have been averted inf the Spanish government wasn't so absolutely incompetent. I didn't want independence to happen. Hell, Catalan's Prez said he would back off if some simple conditions were met. I'll say it again. For the Catalan parties CUP and ERC are independentist as fuck. CiU isn't. CiU is Spanish ((right wing)) party (PP)'s natural ally in Catalonia and they've often dealt one with the other. Why the sudden rivalry? There's the political and social bullshit, but I'll make it simpler: PP are corrupt, CiU are corrupt, PP and CiU's friendship shattered when the Jordi Pujol, scandals were uncovered and the Spanish famiglia denied them protection and in fact used them to cover their own scandals.
Pujol, in anger, said something along these lines "If I pull the whole blanket off we'll see what happens!"
I'm pretty sure this is a war among tribal leaders in mafia-like organizations and we all got dragged into it. Meanwhile I see lots of Catalan moderates going full "catalunya triomfant" , led by wolves who use them as cannon-fodder for the press, and then Españolitos de bien cheering that "tanks go kill commies XDD" like retards and it genuinely makes me wish I was from Portugal. Spain as a country is a giant joke, and it's only because we pull through anything that it somehow still stands.

Shit is about to go down. Inb4 record high draft dodging rate.

Senate approves women registering for the draft archive.is/fvsS9

I don't think the hippies waving the estelada are going to be part of the Mossos D'esquadra emergency draft.

Catalonia actually has a reserve force of patriotic blood thirsty men in Sitges. Pic related

jej

It's not going to happen. Catalonia lost the Spanish Civil War just like the US South their civil war. Neither can declare independence as it was settled during the conflicts.

Gee, I bet is merely just a (((coincidence))).

so how long will it take the Catalonian government to arm and train all the kebabs they imported?

kkkekkk

Are you saying soros is against (((Maduro))) and the (((Chavistas)))? Why?

A much better question
How long will it take to the kebabs armed and trained by the Catalonian government to wage jihad and rape all the catalonian girls?

Inshallah my brothers, Catalunya akbar, we will be free at last

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This isn't true. The 1707 Act of Union had no expiry period and no provision to be reversible.

The reason the UK Government consented to an independence referendum in 2014 was simply that they learned the lesson from Ireland. You'll never keep a union together by denying the members the right to secede. The people will consider themselves subject to tyrannical oppression, and support for independence will grow and grow.

In Ireland's case they were objectively better off in the union - they were receiving considerable financial support, and paid for leaving with six decades of economic misery. But after the 1916 "Easter Rising", and the brutal crackdown that followed, public support for breaking away went beyond the point of no return. Rajoy looks to be making the same mistakes.

My two cents on this is that everyone knows Venezuela is going down - who gets to pick up the pieces of the world's largest oil reserves is still up for grabs. If we had the numbers in that neck of the woods we would be pushing for a natsoc Gran Colombia.

why would they stick around Catalonia? Europe's borders are fucked, so they could just empty the armories and go to France and arm the massive kebab population

Catalonia is part of the mythical Al-Andalus. Sarracens yearn for the moment the can get revenge against the heirs of the Catholic Monarchs

But in order to do that, you not only have to defeat the Chavistas, you must the defeat the colombian guerilla too. Now that Nobel Piss Prize Santos surrender the country to them and it's a matter of time farc get a president elected.

Please don't remind me, fuck this country and fuck Santos.

Conveniently ignoring oil revenue, which is all paid to England and more than offsets any difference in tax spending. Scotland had the natural resources and the infrastructure to develop into a Norway-like state.
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Westminster's anal sphincter was flapping so hard at the prospect of Scotland seceding the union and getting all the oil revenue for herself, that Blair's Labour government redrew the maritime border to cut off thousands of square miles of territory in the 90s just in case.
England has been sucking Scotland's wealth dry like a leech since 40s went online, handing a little back in benefits then using the Jew media to make Scots feel guilty about eating scraps from the table.
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Spain only has 1.9 million kebabs(4%), France has 4.8 million(11%)

You're not alone bro.

That number is about to change now that kebabs are choosing to go to Europe via Spain

Catalonia might be full of commies, righties, doesn't matter to me, I just want to see the EU splinter. This will help the process along.

Oh, hey, exactly the same "assimilation" the mudslimes and niggers are doing in western Europe.
Daily reminder one of the British royals will convert before 2020

Not very subtle.

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Do you have any pics of them with that Soviet Flag? I looked online but couldn’t find anything

The Catalan State (Catalan: Estat Català, IPA: [əsˈtat kətəˈla]) was a state proclaimed in 1934 by Lluís Companys as the "Catalan State within the Spanish Federal Republic".The attempt was quickly aborted by the Spanish government, the general Domènec Batet, chief of the IV Organic Division in Catalonia, crushed the uprising.[2] Companys was arrested and imprisoned; the autonomous government suspended, and virtually all its members jailed. After the Popular Front victory in the February 1936 Spanish general election, his government was pardoned and reinstated in their functions. archive.is/0PXSZ

Lluís Companys i Jover He was a lawyer and leader of the Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC) political party. Exiled after the war, he was captured and handed over by the Nazi secret police, the Gestapo, to the Spanish State of Francisco Franco, who had him executed by firing squad in 1940. Companys is the only incumbent democratically elected president in European history to have been executed archive.is/rKr92

A Venezuela-like state is more like it, Socialism funded by oil with no forward planning. Scots dodged a bullet by staying in, the SNP's projections of wealth were totally discredited by the oil price in subsequent years, it would have been disastrous.

Not to forgetting, it's mostly Shetland's oil, and Shetland is a distinct land with it's own Nordic-Celtic history that was improperly incorporated into Scotland. Maybe they'd like their own independence, they'd be Gazillionaires.

couple of hours later and still independents, better than last time at least

Crimea – Republic of Crimea, Declared unilateral independence from Ukraine, which continues to claim it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol. Recognized only by Russia.


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation- Guided by the fundamental principles of international law, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation views the developments in Catalonia as the internal affair of Spain. We express hope that the situation in Catalonia will be settled through dialogue, in strict compliance with Spanish law, in the interests of a united and prosperous Kingdom of Spain and with due respect for the rights and freedoms of all Spanish citizens. archive.is/PBSTw

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also rejected Catalan's declaration of independence.

The Bloc Québécois, a Canadian political party devoted to promoting the sovereignty of Quebec, has called on Canada and Quebec to recognize Catalonia as an independent nation.

The Honduran government "does not recognize the unilateral declaration of independence" issued by the Catalan Parliament, its ministry of foreign affairs said, EFE reported.

Peru has expressed "full support" for the Government of Spain and "rejected any act or unilateral declaration of independence" which violates the Spanish Constitution and laws.

Costa Rica does not recognize Catalonia's declaration of independence.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Chile, Heraldo Muñoz says his country will support the territorial integrity of Spain.

Paraguay's Foreign Ministry expressed support for the measures taken by the government of Mariano Rajoy to stop the pro-independence push in Catalonia, urging the separatist region to "adhere to the rule of law."

The government of Ecuador voiced concern over the crisis in Catalonia, calling on all parties to resolve the crisis through "dialogue within the framework of the Constitution."

Mexico will not recognize Catalonia as an independent country, the country's president said on Twitter.

Scotland, which has a strong national movement that seeks to gain independence from London, has voiced support for Catalonia, saying that the EU now has a “political and moral responsibility” to support dialogue between Madrid and Barcelona.

Helge Skaara, the Norwegian Ambassador to Spain said on Twitter that Oslo "does not recognize the unilateral declaration of independence of Catalonia," adding, that Norway supports dialogue between Madrid and Barcelona.

London will not recognize Catalonia’s independence,

Serbia has denounced the Catalan parliament’s declaration, stating that such actions, as with Kosovo’s secession, are illegal. It said the only difference between the two was the reaction of the international community.

European Parliament President Antonio Tajani said in a Twitter thread that nobody in the EU will recognize Catalonia’s statement of independence.

French President Emmanuel Macron has expressed his support for Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, regarding the crisis taking place in Catalonia.

NATO says that Catalonia is a domestic issue that should be resolved by Spain.

The German government does not recognize Catalan’s declaration of independence

The prime minister of Belgium has appealed for “a peaceful solution" to the situation in Spain, "with respect for national and international order”.

US State Department backs Spanish government’s measures to keep Spain united, stating “Catalonia is an integral part of Spain.”

SERBIAN RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS WHEN??

..am I fucked, anons? Can I just make it to the hotel and keep my head down until I board my cruise at the port and GTFO of Barcelona?

Go down Las Ramblas at night and experience the degeneracy yourself. Only way to truly get redpilled.

Protip: As you go from the water up Rambla, to your left will be Raval and to your right will be Gotico. For maximum degeneracy take a left. Hide your wallet.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake

I wasn't planning on going out at night, user.

And I'm already redpilled. It took a shitload of my self control not to sperg out on the fucking Africans who were shilling selfie sticks everywhere in Venice when I was there a few years ago. Pig fucking disgusting.

Hopefully I'll get to see some gommies get skull-cracked from my balcony or see something like >pic

Is that kitty okay?

Man, where did you find such a high res photo of Arkan and his Tigers?

It apparently died last year in a Belgrade zoo. Arkan loved that cat to death.

youtube.com/watch?v=EVsVBhsvl6w
Thb its american history x tier bullshit.

I find it funny how crazy the world powers get once the nwo gets disturbed. They were fine with Crimea being taken away, but as soon as a part of Europe wants to go solo, everyone loses it. Are they afraid that mass melting pots like the UN are always going to fail? First we had the UK leave and now parts of Spain are trying to get out. How long before it all falls apart?

Or, they weren't fine with it because what were they to do? Declare war with Russia? Fat chance.

Catalan declaring independence is geopolitically completely different from what happened in Crimea.

AND YET IT STILL GOT JEWED

Use hooktube to watch the video

express.co.uk/news/world/872094/spain-catalonia-independence-news-EU-finland-Mikko-Karna

Is that your stick?

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Use youtube-dl you dumb niggers.

Fuck Catalan
I will gut every Catalonia if Spain give the orders.

ARRIBA ESPAÑA

nigger that wasn't my point, and it should have been a webm to begin with.

by not using Jewgle user.

Catalonia will not be automatically admitted to the EU, it doesn't work that way. They need to formally ask for admission first and then go through the steps all over again. That is, if Spain will not veto their candidacy, and good luck with that one. At this point they're fucked if they stay with Spain and they're fucked if they manage to get out. What a bunch of idiots.

If banking crashes anywhere it's the whole world.

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And hasn't the EU said they don't recognize Catalonia's independence anyway?

Mfw thanks to years of Holla Forums i have tendies for months to last,water purification shit,keep myself fit,go to a shooting range,took any spare money out of the bank and put it into gold/silver/crypto and I'm waiting for night vision equipment and body armour.
I literally think I'm readier for independence and happenings than all of catalonia.

I'm ready,i have my very own group of vets that i have been waking up and red pilling for some time now but i seriously doubt anything will happen,and i couldnt care less about independence,i only care about sand niggs.
To me the fact that after the terror attacks they all cucked their shit up made me wonder how willing to fight are they.
They seem more like crying about oppression and whinning tbh so I seriously doubt for happenings,and most of the catalonians are leftards so I wouldn't let them enjoy the consecuences of their mistakes when they import shitskins a gogo

Cataluña has 20% immigrant population, the highest in Spain and if full communist.
They are not going anywhere regardless, this post is fake news.

so I wouldn't mind*letting them enjoy the consecuences of their mistakes when they import shitskins a gogo.

Btw this Sunday there is a pro union rally so it might be fun.
To madrid anons,barcelona is basically similar now with carmena,last time I went to madrid apart from the inclusive walking signs with 2 dykes,the gay flags at the townhall and the most obvious shit,i managed to find this jewel at the museum of anthropology about how all humans are the same.
That's why personally I don't give a fuck about independence since I only care about the native europeans,i wouldn't go happily kill other whites in a civil war,even if most are leftards,i lean towards spain but i understand (even if I think they are mistaken and led by kikes)catalonias plight,i do think they need to experience it,catalonia is like a retarded child that often likes to venture outside of adult supervision,usually with lulzy consecuences to itself,like loosing rosellon,or repeatedly getting Btfo.

They are full jew world order, they have promised to all the immigrants they will be granted citizenship in the new kiked independent Cataluña.
Wont happen though.

You dont get it, they are going straight into te EU and UN, contributing with a new army and a bovine and brainwashed communistic population.

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The best about living in a non english speaking country is that I can literally make this sign,and March under it and those who understand i made a mistake wouldn't realise I made no mistakes at all

Lanparty and preparing to grill the chickens.

Isn't Commiefornia in debt though?

You are wrong, Extremadura has its own language, called castuo, and i understand better catalan than an andalucian speaking, the rest can invent it out of nowhere to ride the special status cock. Catalakikes.

It looks like a school or community center/public gym(based on background pics of sports uniform/patriotic pics),probably they'll have a party or something and they put them in charge of doing the chickens,but the temptation of those old computers was too big so they rushed for b.

Slovakia got its independence long ago but there was no referendum and I am pretty sure referendum would have shown that there was not enough interest in it. I was against because of concerns of economical impact but generally it is a good thing for it allows different ways of life. Catalonia really showed legitimate interest in secession or self determination for decades. They are right no matter what it triggers.

Give me the control of education in schools and ill make any region believe they come from mars, and are the chosen people to secede and rule the world.

You forgot to take control of the media and academia user.

Seems pol is full of brainlets, i dont usually post, but when i do its usually about things i understand, Catalonia wants right into the EU, they are the kikest region of Spain. Die please.

They will say they prefer rapist to racist and say fuck to you.

pretty much this. You can't allow regions to have their own official language and education programs.
Public school in catalonia are propaganda camps.

Think about what constructs identity apart from race. Language comes into a close second, it's how you think and speak.

Allowing multiple official languages in spain was and is a mistake. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

Also, not only public schools but universities are commie farming camps.

Spaine?
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Entrevista a Ignacio Ondargáin

Saludos lectores, nos encontramos a domingo 23 de febrero del año 2014. Les escribimos desde la humilde posición de este periodista alternativo a los periódicos, medios de masa y sus empleados que dicen hacer 'periodismo', hoy tenemos la ocasión de entrevistar a Ignacio Ondargáin, ¿Quién es Ignacio Ondargáin se preguntarán muchos? Pues, es un autor aparecido en la red con su famosa y mediocre web; ondargain3.tripod.com/ , que ha levantado verdaderas pasiones en foros, redes sociales, es una página web con diversos textos sobre hitlerismo esotérico y publicó su obra sólo en formato digitalizado en internet llamada; La Gran Tradición Hiperbórea (que se puede leer y descargar o en formato PDF o en su web; ondargain3.tripod.com/id12.html )

- Buenas tardes Ignacio, lo primero sería que hicieras una breve presentación y nos definieras; qué es el hitlerismo esotérico para los que no conozcan esta corriente.

IO; Muy buenas tardes y gracias por este espacio, pues bien, Ignacio Ondargáin es un hombre de orígenes vascos que desde mi humilde posición he investigado sobre la otra cara 'oculta' de la historia y todo aquello que los medios de masas llaman; MAGIA.

Y bien respondiendo tu otra pregunta, el Hitlerismo Esotérico (yo prefiero llamarlo Wotanismo o Aryanismo, es aquella doctrina espiritual y esotérica creada a partir de la afirmación que Adolf Hitler fue una encarnación de un ser supremo y su obra, el III Reich, la perfección suprema sobre la tierra.

- Vaya cuanta información en tan poco tiempo, ¿entonces el Hitlerismo Esotérico se podría entender que es como una religión?

IO; Partiendo que la palabra religión significa comunión con los dioses sí, pero no, desde una perspectiva de secta dogmática cuya función es enriquecer a un credo.

- ¿Qué es para ti Adolf Hitler?

IO; Difícil de explicar en pocas palabras, para mí Adolf Hitler, fue el Elegido, el Líder de la raza aria, una encarnación de un Dios Blanco encarnada en nuestro plano para llevar una misión predestinada, que en este caso fue la de arrojar a todos los demonios al fuego…

- ¿Y quiénes son esos demonios?

IO; La Sinagoga de Satanás o también llamada, el Gobierno Secreto.

- Vaya esto dicho así, puede sonar un tanto 'conspiranoico' , ¿Y quiénes conforman ese gobierno?

IO; Suena conspiranoico, porque es contrario al pensamiento lanzado por sus medios de comunicación. Quienes están detrás son el Sanedrín Oculto que controla la coalición de Estados Unidos, la Unión Europea y su Mecca, es decir Israel.

- ¿El Sanedrín? ¿Dónde están? ¿Quiénes son?

IO;El Sanedrín de Israel, es una antiquísima reunión de jerarcas judíos puros, es decir sin haberse mestizado con otros pueblos, son los que firmaron los protocolos de Sión o los mismos que controlan hoy al presidente títere de turno de Estados Unidos. Y que dónde están, no sabría decirte, pero seguramente sospecho que en Londres o en Estados Unidos.

- ¿Y España dónde entra dentro de todo este entramado?

IO;España, no es más que un vasallo de este Gobierno Secreto, una empresa a su servicio, mas los países ya no existen, son meras empresas al servicio de unos pocos, pero España como cualquier país europeo es controlado por la masonería (una logia secreta basada en el judaísmo más radical), nadie es presidente de España sin que los sabios de Sión no den su visto bueno.

- ¿Y qué me dices de Rajoy?

IO;Un peón más dentro de todo el ajedrez de Satanás.

- ¿Cuál es la meta de todo esto?

IO;La creación de una Judá planetaria, donde el pueblo elegido por un demonio ancestral gobierne desde el trono de Israel sobre todas las naciones gentiles del mundo.

- Te veo mucho mencionar palabras como magia, Satanás… ¿ Por qué?

IO;El mundo es gobernado por magos negros que desde sus logias realizan espantosos rituales abominables en los altares de su señor Satanás y sus ángeles de la muerte, presentes en la Cábala.

- ¿Los cabalistas gobiernan el mundo?

IO;Así es.

- ¿Son éstos los Iluminati?

IO;Así es

- ¿Qué opinas de la situación política internacional actual?

IO;Vivimos tiempos de Apocalipsis, las últimas jugadas de la mano negra que domina el mundo está tocando su final para materializar su oscura obra, en Oriente Medio lo vemos o en el norte de África, hoy en Siria, ayer en Libia, Iraq bajo la administración judeoyankee…

- ¿Cuál es el fin de todo esto? La primavera árabe que llaman.

IO;Extender las fronteras de Israel más allá del Nilo y el Éufrates, algo que llevan queriendo hacer desde que lo predestinaron en los Protocolos.

- ¿Y para España cómo pronostica el futuro?

IO;Arruinamiento total y absoluto, crisis permanente, abolición de la clase media y entronamiento de la Gran Sefarad bajo la bandera de la sinagoga de Satanás. El triunfo del Zohar y la vuelta al reino de Taifas, ¿El independentismo catalán? Es un movimiento totalmente tuteado por la masonería y el judaísmo internacional.

El objetivo final es destruir la nación hispana y abolir su sangre en una oleada de inmigrantes oscuros.

¿Qué tiene que decirme del independentismo catalán ahora que lo menciona?

IO;Que es una abominable creación del independentismo masónico y cabalista… De los marranos y los expulsados en 1492.

You are a retard: I do not judge politicians by the bullshit they say but by the actions, no metter how much their politicians insist to say it on TV but Catalonia cannot make it into EU.

Get over it, it is clear, they might have to convince their dumbo villagers base that they want to make it into the EU; but they know this is impossible and this is not what they want.

They want full independence.

All you say does not make any sense. You would be better trying to convince me that this is a dynastic succession war made by the true heir to the trone (((Bourbons))) than that "catalonia is a commie globalist country which will apply to the EU"

SHATTER THE EU AND SPREAD IT'S ASSHOLE TO THE FOUR WINDS

There are good political-economical reasons why Caltalonia might want to bring whole Spain, and pheraphs half of Italy with herself outside the EU

This. So much this. The only "institution" (read NGO) Spain has actually sent arrest warrants against are 100% Soros funded.


Because Maduro and cie are too old school Marxists for their taste? As in they actually want to nationalize assets and hinder (((free market))) (as in only banker is free to do what it wants, not what it actually means) instead of just giving up everything at half price to a trusty merchant.
The jewish leftisim is cultural marxism, not actual "hang all the bankers" marxism.
You have a right to marry your pet and should breed with apes as long as you sign all your property to the bank.

Basically Marxism was ok for when the jews weren't in power of ALL the banks and institutions,nowadays that they basically own everything g they much rather have cultural marxism,it's also more jewish to own the souls that owning their bodies.
Also Marxism was basically freezing the Russian people and their souls,as soon as communism was over they weren't changed in their inner selves since they despised the system,while the non openly Marxist western Europe has become a fuckfest.
That's my guess

I'm sorry hermanito,i have an uncle living in colombia and i have colombian friends,I have seen the shitholes your universities are,i have seen the shilling,it's so retarded,having the bleeding example of what communism does if you let it win (venezuela)and having the experience of how lethal it is,so the populace knows behind their sweet words there is nothing but violence and hunger.
Yet they managed to shill in and give them a platform,they might have given up weapons,but they will use this time to recruit more,in are few years they'll come back in force and you'll hear about how undefeated they were etc etc.
Showing mercy was the worse possible mistake,they'll crew rite history and before you know it the mercy of the victory will be rewritten.
Just look at the spanish civil war,the commies were so eager to kill dissidents they started killing themselves before the war ended had they won in spain they would have killed everyone with any ties to the right,but they lost so they got treated like human beings by catholicucks…

ayy it could be worse.

And anarchists, republicans and libertarians too. Commies were one of the main reasons why the republican side got btfo.
But hey, at least they redpilled Orwell.

Remind me why you are here again?

Exactly, go there, meet people, talk with them, join them, write history

I understand your bad situation, you cannot be more cuck than this

You cannot be more cuck than this

why are you linking to the most far left sjw radical journal?

Hmmm… Ive just realized that Catalonia is not the Basque country that has been trying to become independent from spain for a few decades at least.

Spain could split in to like 5 regions.

Idiot. Ask yourself what does the EU get out of balkanizing Europe? The person you replied to is likely on the right path with this. The problem is they're so out-of-fucking-touch with regular people and they're likely going to balkanize europe. They may also think a balkanized european counties will be easier to control, they however might not be counting on say Russia or China getting their fingers into that pie just to pry the entire thing apart and break up their economic bloc.

Come on, EU will break up on her own it is not a matter of opinion just plain political opportinity and economic science. That countries like Germany, or her friends on the border with Russia are even more fucked is out of question. Here at stake is another one: will it breakup after or before the transition of southern european into poor african countries?

I hope the police start shooting after they get in plenty of baton practice. May the streets run red with commie blood. You don't just declare independence without expecting a lot of bloodshed.

No dude, that shit looks like the most un-ergonomic stick ever. A good stick needs to fit one's hand.

Can't wait till they are ordered to do an artillery strike.

Civil war mañana.

If Albanians and Catalons can't fight for their own land, and need massive (((international))) aid to become independent, then they aren't truly sovereign.

This is just a simple fact.

If Serbs and Spanish can't fight for their colonies, but gets massive (((international))) intervention to help independentism, then they aren't truly sovereign.

This is also just a simple fact

They were fine with it. Basically US and EU gave Crimea to Russia, it's the Donbas situation after that that became the issue.

A part that wrong because the mere fact that they are fighting and that their fighting is international recognized make them sovereign over themselves

No we won't. Nobody here cares about Catalans, but we would be more than happy to accept them as the catalyst that tare down the European Union.

We need civil unrest in Europe to break the illusion that there will never be a new major crisis.

should we do what CIAniggers are doing ?

1.stir shit up
2. start war
3…
4,profit ?


A word of caution. ISIS/ISIL has been removed from syria and iraq. Syrian army is basically mopping up. fighters from syria / iraq can go to libya as a safe zone. But..there is considerable number of "refugees" coming from libya through italy to EU. ISIS/ISIL has thorough experience in urban warfare. Probably some weapons and ample supply of potential fighters with hard core veterans for command. Also, they have grudge to settle with EU

You do know that Spain itself is a Commie shithole?
It doesn't change if Catalona secedes from Spain or not, you will still live in a Communist shithole.

It won't be necessary. The Spanish National Police Corps alone can BTFO any garrison of rogue Mossos d'Esquadra. Almost half of the Mossos are still loyal to Spain.

They deserve to be erased

and if catalonia puts mossos on border with spain they can prevent spain police from entering catalonia. And catalonia can still trade with france. Spain can not block catalonia from trade routes. Also routes from spain are easily blocked because there most of it is mountains

Nigga nobody voted.
First Spain refused to give out electoral listings so there was no voters register whatsoever (like in all Democrats blue fortress… and unlike anywhere else on the planet because it means stuffing the ballot-boxes is easy as pie), then they didn't have most of the material to actually vote (Spanish police seized most of the envelopes, printed bulletins and urns).
Then on election day which was illegal (which means only hardcore supporters went), and after the opposition said not to go (which is the majority… most people didn't vote for secessionists even in the last elections) because the police stormed polling offices as soon as they opened and seize and destroyed the materials on site rince repeat all day.

Yet somehow, there was a big turnout and they did an even better score than in the previous election???

Even in their published numbers there are cases were the number of "yes" votes are bigger than the number of registered voters… In 71 different places!
They pulled a number out their ass and call it democracy.

They're all turbo leftist they take their teachings to heart:
Stalin.

A)there are already the same amount of national police than autonomic so it's not like they can block them.
B)How are about 8k mossos they gonna block thousands of kilometers(the coast user,there is also a coast)and if military police,or the army decide to enter how exactly are the autonomic police that was created with the goal in mind to be loyal to catalonia and thus if possible from non military,non national police background? by using polite strong words of advice like they do with niggers?they can't even handle fucking dindu riots when the manteros decide to burn shit up and trash the cities.

Are all those mountains new because I have never seen them…the mountains are at the border with france nigga.

Nope my nigger it was even worse the catacuck government basically doxed all its citizens by giving the electoral register and census to all the volunteers who supervised the electoral schools,basically they gave the data to any fucking antifa shit head from cup.
And they checked the data with an app but most of the time it didn't work so you could vote as many times as you wanted simply by walking around schools,and of course the supervisor were all pro independence so they gave a shit if you voted 3 times or you allowed your kids to vote since they are the future of catalonia and any shitskin could cast their vote ares well.
The school I went to vote was like an antifa meeting point.

Well mossos do have automatic weapons. Anti-tank obstacles are easy to make

Pure native Americans don't even exist anymore here as far as I'm concerned. They all have some European in them from centuries of being colonized and raped. Same goes for mexicans. Just the spawn of brown manlet Aztecs and horny Spaniards.

There is also shit load of anti tank and heavy weapons left after the war in libya. There is sea route to catalonia. If refuges can get to spain then it shouldn't be very difficult to get weapons to catalonia

Most of the refugees would get out of catalonia and spain. After all, they are there fleeing from war.

Hahahahhahahahhahahhahaha(ad infinitum)
Here check the armament the mossos have,my guess is that a single batallion of infantry would basically bitch slap them with their penis.
What the mosso is carrying there is basically a big handgun shooting 9mm rounds,there are 200 of them and 22 real rifles.
I've seen /k/ommando meet ups with more firepower.
On the other hand Spain is one of the largest weapon manufacturers of the world
I'd be preparing my falç wich i just read it turns out the national song of catalonia comes from an erotic song…Sometimes the memes about catalan being kikes worry me since I'm catalonian,also the guy on the pic looks like an Ahmed, and the fact commies jack off to the fact it's a shickel doesn't make me love it.

ca.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_cop_de_falç

I thought this already happened like last month?

Thinking about it, did France ruin Europe and not Germany or the Eternal Anglo?

France responsible for

What did the Cucktalonians mean by this?

Both the independence movement in the UK and the one in Spain are COMPLETELY POZZED BULLSHIT.

None of them are about ethnonationalism or saving the white race.

It's a pointless fucking war that will be fought by whites, involve mostly whites dying, and will end up with two countries both being swamped by non-white immigration.

It is not surprise Soros supports this. None at all. Don't fall for this shit Holla Forums. Ban jews from white countries. Ban non-whites from white countries. Until England gets it Queen Elizabeth the First reincarnation, or Spain becomes properly based and fashy, it all means nothing.

Can you give us your perspective of all of this? Will Catalonia be anally raped by Spanish Forces?

Nope fam, they made the "election" on October the 1st, but until yesterday they decided to "declare" """"independence""""

libya is pretty close. And there is shit load of weapons there. If refuges can not be stopped there is certainly a possibility for a ship or 2 or 10 to transport weapons.

france was certainly busy

Soros is not behind this. If he was there would be more media coverage

Ask the commiefornians. They have the same mindset.

Quebecfags here in Canada have the same mindset.

Glad I'm not the only one.
Hopes: dashed

It will be son, it will be. Cascadia and/or Jefferson will rise from the Ashes of Fallout California

isn't California bankrupt and/or completely economically dependent on other states?

Not really but they are a police force that frowns upon military background and was recreated with loyalty to the catalonian government in mind.
Thus a lot of them are paper pushers.

Of course there are some units that are well prepared and trained in anti terror ops but..it's police training and there aren't so many of them,and 22 automatic rifles in total,is ridiculous,some murrican anons have more firepower,they could have access to more guns,they could confiscate gun stores or some shit like that and they can always aquire guns from other nations but for starters they have 22 military grade weapons with no heavy weaponrweaponry, grande launchers or antitank/antiair capabilities,just a random group of 22 rifle carrying guys and most of the trained people who can into weapons are pro spanish,the military has a bad reputation as bad fashy people and big meanie bullies in catalonia,all the military,navy,airforce is pro spain,even in catalonia most of the police are pro spain.
There is also local police not only mossos and the weaponry they have access to is very much the same,even security guard have access to the same handguns the police use.
And now a region of catalonia is about to declare it's independence from catalonia.
I'm thinking about declaring my own independence,you're all welcomed fuckers,myself I don't give a fuck to me this is a game of musical power chairs with jewish music playing,i only care for the future of the huwhites.

Sorry for the long reply,I'll go to sleep,tomorrow there is a pro unionist rally,i won't attend but i have to work and I'll need to wakie wakie in a few hours.

If a cache of weapons enters spain when they are monitoring every transaction in and out of the area it would be a miracle,also if shots were to be heard police would go to investigate,and thus people lack any training.
Hey if catalonia turns out to be an ethnostate like some anons claim I'd be glad to join its military but I'm afraid it's not and i personally don't give a fuck about spain or catalonia,to me catalonia is a retarded downs syndrome kid that every now and then wonders of and puts it's fingers into the plug,i kind of feel bad but i also think they need to learn by themselves about the dangers of communism and having your country enriched,since spain kindly prevented them from being a ussr satellite,and before that an austian satellite,and before that a French one loosing rosellon on the process etc etc.

I think now they need to get anally raped by muzzies for a few years before they realised (like so many times before)wooooowwww our ruling class promised us many things and a foreign country did as well and…we got ass blasted…again…For the 4th time…yikes It turns out the french didn't want to help us and only saw us as pawns…
Now after years of financing by qatar,soros ngos ,and pure old corruption they want to be independent.
I as any good user am a Darwinist i don't like convincing people they are wrong so I much rather let catalonia yet again learn that nobody loves you,it's are cold world outside arena everyone else just wants to take advantage of you,especially the politicians.
And this time they don't even have a rend well defined catalonian identity more of a civNat everyone with a barça tshirt is a catalonian.

P O T T E R Y

What part of Catalonia wants to leave Catalonia?

Comfy valley.
I found an article in english in case you can't into spic or catalan.
reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia-union/a-split-within-a-split-the-catalan-valley-sticking-with-spain-idUSKBN1CE1D9

Thanks for the link. The resemblance with commiefornia is uncanny

t. salty Ukrainian living in a country poorer than Belarus

That's OK we'll let them keep their debt when they leave.

My pleasure user kun.
I love the last phrase of the article that says
“In Madrid, when you talk to them about different languages, it makes their hairs stand up on end.”
Yet if you read along the thread you might read about other catalonians finding out they ain't so special and other regions have also their own languages,like for example castilla y León having liones and even their own independence meme for leon and castilla to be separated,or another user mentioning castuo.
But yup as the chosenites and due to their meme education most think they are wronged and special.
Personally and in my opinion nothing will happen unless some "random sniper" shoots people/police and they shoot back etc like it has happened in all soros backed operations, and this is a no weapons area of spain so if that happens chances are it's the kikes.

Kill yourself faggot.

Dubs confirm

Catalan is a pozzed Marxist shit hole you fucking moron. They're practically as cucked as Swedes.

Didn't Macron state that he would not support a Catalan independence? And that even if they do manage to break out, they still won't be in the EU? And if Tajani somehow let them pass since they're from a formerly EU member state, Spain would be so fucking pissed they would follow Britain as well as let all their rapefugee pass through the borders to Catalonia and France?

This looks like soros

Thousands rally for unity with Spain in Barcelona - The pro-unity demonstration on Sunday was organized by the Catalan Civil Society group. (WATCH LIVE)
archive.is/4uflB

what a coincidence that some random sniper never targets the kikes

Both the spanish communist party (PCE) and the socialist parties (PSOE and PSC) were there supporting Spain.

You mean Korean war, not Vietnam. And nothing about Syria. Actually aircraft carrier Charles de Gaule was sent to the region to support the russians. Could be the only thing Hollande didn't fuck up?
And France also btfo the muslim invaders at Tours.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

For tomorrow, Puigdemont "has agreed" with the Mossos(Catalan police) that hold Plaza Sant Jaume continue to allow "access" to his office even though it is officially ceased according to Spanish legislation, validated in the Senate and used by Rajoy.

However, the National Police and Civil Guard will be following the orders from Madrid. The goal is to avoid a "blood bath" and, therefore, calls for calm are multiplied and there are no clashes between the Mossos and the National Police or the Civil Guard.

"We do not have the force to impose a State, but we can make Spain go bankrupt," maintains a top leader of Together for Yes.

The role of public workers

However, apart from politicians, public employees also play an important role in hindering the control of institutions by the Spanish government. The foreign affairs minister, Raül Romeva, asserted that these would only comply with orders from the Government elected by the Parliament, and not by the executive of Rajoy. Also, the main teachers' union, the USTEC, also warned that it would not recognize the new partners imposed by Spain as a superiors - a position not seconded by CCOO, which will not call "labor disobedience" -.

Similarly, in some departments, assemblies of workers have already been organized in which they have approved manifestos against the 155 and notifying that they would not obey their orders of a government that had not been chosen by the Parliament. In particular, the employees of the Councils of Culture, Foreign Affairs and Territory, the territorial services of Girona and the Catalan Waste Agency have made assemblies of these last days, and they are foreseen more. archive.is/ufH0J

El Periódico reports Catalan Police (Mossos) stations have now been ordered to take down their portraits of Puigdemont archive.is/N4hdU

That was to

fuck off back to Venezuela, panchito.

They weren't even prepared for their own actual companies backing them up instead of packing up and leaving.

Seat is fucking thinking of closing down their plants. What the fuck are they going to export? Smugness and pedophilia?

Can't make this shit up.

France is strongly against Catalan independence because Catalan indepentists also claim a part of France (and a few other reasons). Perpignan (one the 30 biggest cities of France) is located there.

And then you have those Catalans who not only claim the French part of Catalonia but who think that somehow Occitania also should be part of Catalonia or form a confederation with Catalania and thus end up claiming about one fifth of France including Bordeaux, Marseille, Nice, Montpelier, Toulouse and other major French cities.

And you think France would serve as an economic lifeline to Catalonia in case of isolation? Really?

I'm laughing already.

The richest as in the most revenue produced. Not the richest as in the actual richest. California is the equivalent of a doctor with so many student loans, mortgages, and car payments, that he only keeps a meager amount of his money.

California is bankrupt, only kept alive by the fed

That is one of the most painful off by 1s i have ever had and I would have been on if I didn't bother to fix a spelling mistake.

Was ok for the kikes or the higher ups that sucked most dick not for the people having to bend over and take it or get killed user…
Im sure you'll understand that from my message.
Btw in case you ain't spic the guy at that pic about killing commies,one of the surviving commies is the current mayor of madrid and she is full cultural marxism so he wasn't so wrong afterall

Why is everyone assuming that every independency movement in Europe wants to go against the EU.
Catalonia wants to get IN the EU on their hands and knees. Is this the confirmation bias I've heard so much about?

I don't know why I care about this.

Every pro Catalonia person i've met has been a feminist or communist. And all pro united spain have been old pro EU…

Of course, the fucking communists are playing 4d chess right now. They will play the victim that the EU are bullies that won't let them into the EU just to appease their base and of course when their economic powerhouses leave the region it was all part of the plan to organize the communes and everyone to start working for free for the great state of Catalunya.

Pro-Spaniards attacked Mossos in Barcelona archive.is/L79PG

They just use that as blackmail, Québec would crash and burn within 4 months of leaving Canada. Which is why they want to keep the CAD, keep the transfer payments from Alberta, Saskatchewan, ect. And keep using our military.

I love how it says bloody nazis attack peaceful riot police who in self defense attack those damn nazi scum…
Most of the comments are feminazi and other fuck the racist police etc etc you have to love the timeline.

Also,based spanish nazi boys,not cucking like tiki marches to let antifa fuck them up but fucking up the un loyal police that to them represents a traitorous government and then antifa didn't even dare show up supposedly they were going to shut sown barcelona so pro unionists could make it

Lurk for another year before posting again

That's a good one user. Tell me the one about the nigger that uses his brain next.

La Sexta has just reported that (former) Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont will seek asylum in Belgium. archive.is/Eu7qQ

First page of public prosecutor's accusation against entire former Catalan government at National High Court in Madrid. archive.is/aPCMl


Accusations to be rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds. All very serious crimes under Spanish Criminal Code 1995.
Charges to be against all members of former Catalan government and members of Catalan Parliament Speaker's Committee.
So Puigdemont, Junqueras, Romeva, Turull, etc. (regional got) and Forcadell (Speaker, parliament).
Accusations against Puigdemont, Junqueras, etc. going to National High Court. Having been sacked, they no longer enjoy special privilege.
Accusations against Forcadell and Speaker's Committee going to Supreme Court. They still enjoy special privilege until new elections.
No word on remand petition yet. Prosecutor will wait until first court appearances to decide.

If found guilty, the charges of rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds carry prison terms of up to 30, 15 and 6 years, respectively, under Spanish law.

user, 2 years.

My fucking French dream alongside
GASSING ALL THE KIKES
HEIL HITLER

Sincere question, how does a tiny portion of Spain becoming independent stand to make any real waves in the EU? This barely seems like a blip on anyone's radar.

Well, for starters, it's a rich region, which now won't pay gibs to EU and will sink Spanish economy, so now Spain will need moar gibs from EU. Then there's the matter of Catalans of course screeching to be let into EU, with Spain vetoing it, so EU will essentially lose a fuckload of clay

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it's also a rich region -because- of its commerce within spain.


Catalonia is not an independent nation. the 155 article took care of that in a matter of days.

It's definitely not happening. What did happen, though, is the creation a huge wave of d&c inside catalonia, and even spain itself which was probably the main objective.

Also, people like Farage supporting the catalonian "procès" is a huge indicator on how warped this situation's perception is from the outside, due to the (((usual suspects))) media manipulation.

What was going on here is a group of crypto jews and their mindless indoctrinated zombies (due to the blatant indoctrination in schools/universities) subverting the unity of a country.

The causes go back a long time, though. A country that allows so many official languages and grants so much power to autonomous regions is destined to fail.

Seeing this from the inside, the narrative from the "independentistas" is so close to what hitler described on mein kampf about how jews debated that's amazing.

t. barcelonafag

>>>/bog/

For an illegal referendum with poor turnout?

Go get em spain.

It begins.

It's odd.. the positions have switched now.

The right used to be in that boat. Now their the dominant position again.
Weird.

Are these spineless morons simply going to accept article 155's enforcement and do nothing at all in response? Are these dumb sacks of shit seriously playing along with the farce that democracy and diplomacy alone will grant them independence?

Why were there no militias formed, armed and trained well in advance to protect the independence claim? Just how goddamn incompetent are these people?

They obviously don't really want it. Compare what the Irish did for independence (blowing up babies until they get what they want) to the Catalans- the leader of their movement just runs away like a pussy. He should have either allowed himself to be taken as a political prisoner for international sympathy, or surrounded himself with armed guards and refused to comply with Spanish authorities, because "muh not Spain"!

I hope you understand that Catalonia has been "freed" by lefties so that Catalonia can become a communist shithole again. The people celebrating this have learned nothing from the history of Spain.

You dumb fuck.
Catalonia is our California.
-t. Spaniard.

If there is another civil war, and I sure as hell hope there is not, you niggers need to be in the nationalist's side, not the separatists. Hitler's, Mussolini's troops fought in the Franco (nationalist) side. That gave them an edge in WWII, since they got to test their combat techniques and equipment, and aquire experience. Leftards fought in the "republican" (Jew-Masonic) side. Catalonia was their home base. To this day communists and anarchists all over the world (the latter were thrown under the bus by the former, as was the plan all along, BTW) regard it as their proudest moment of collaboration in the face of fascists.

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So why don't you say "good riddance"? If they are a bunch of commie faggots, let them break away and leave your country alone. Unless the Spanish people want to go commie slaying in a bloody war, then by all means. I'll get the popcorn.

Las Palmas [de Gran Canaria]
Which idiot labeled that map?
You either shorten both or neither.

UNA. GRANDE. LIBRE
Gloria a la patria que supo seguir sobre el azul del mar el caminar del sol.

I think it would be beneficial to let California be independent and become a nation of Jews and chinks and their pet niggers and spics, leaving the heartland for Whites.
The guy said 'counterrevolutionary', anyways, though, so your assumptions were wrong.

Certain "Communist" nations have turned against Israel and/or ZOG.
Libya under Qaddafi, and North Korea come to mind.

Fake.

This but unironically.
First you have to amend the constitution to allow it.
Catalonia is part of Spain. Any Spaniard can be "Catalan", all he has to do is register as living there.

All Spaniards get a vote. Because Catalonia belongs to all Spaniards, not just those currently residing there.

Over a million Catalonians descend from Andalusians alone, that is, the Southernmost region besides the islands left of Africa, green in this map. Catalonia has a population of seven and a half.

Hopefully, it won't come to war. Peaceful execution of the communist agitators is what I'd aim for. Even better if the condition of Catalonia becomes so bad due to the actions of the separatists they lynch them themselves.

my god the spaniards are buttmad
just let there be war so we can GTKRWN and shoot commies

kek

Sadly, never.

He would have been our Hitler, but Franco let him be executed by the leftards to realize his own dreams of a Catholicuck state.

Perkele vittu

The Marxist-Leninist terrorists gave up, surrendered their arms.
It was a war of attrition and Spain won.

Wait. Do they claim Basque France as Catalonian clay?

No, just to the border.

catalonia was stripped of autonomy nd its leaders either fled or were arrested. Independent Catalonia is not happening.

4 Jewish Things to Know About Catalonia
Key takeaways about the relationship between Israel, Jews and Catalonia.


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JTA - After simmering for decades, national aspirations in the region of Catalonia in northeast Spain plunged that country into a major crisis with far-reaching international implications.

The current crisis began earlier this month when federal police clashed with voters over an illegal referendum on independence. But it came to a head Friday, when the region's parliament in Barcelona passed a motion declaring independence from Spain despite the federal government's warning to desist.

Madrid dissolved the regional government in a bid to block secession. But the independence project appears to be more popular than ever now among Catalans - a distinct ethnic and cultural group whose language is closer to Portuguese than Spanish [sic] [Spanon note: This applies to Galicia, which sits directly north of Portugal, not Catalonia, that is also north, but on the opposite (east) side of Spain. There is no serious Galician secessionist movement] - now that separatists have come closer to independence than they had in centuries.

As Europe nervously studies this potential test case for nationalism and separatist projects across the continent, the developments in Catalonia are dividing Spaniards - including Jews. And because of Israel's approach to it, the crisis is also underlining the Jewish state's growing willingness to diverge with other Western countries on key foreign policy issues.

Here are four takeaways from the unfolding crisis in Catalonia:

Catalonia has a (relatively) large Jewish community.

With approximately 15,000 members, the Jewish community of Barcelona matches that of Madrid in size and prominence. Spain has a total of about 45,000 Jews, with the third not in the two major cities spread out across the country's other 15 semi-autonomous regions.

In Barcelona, the issue of independence is divisive in general and in Jewish circles, leading the Jewish community there to adhere to a policy of neutrality.

"It's a matter of 'shalom bayit,'" Victor Sorenssen, the president of the community, told JTA earlier this month, using the Hebrew expression which means maintaining the peace at home.

The umbrella of Jewish communities of Spain, of which Barcelona is a member, also had a policy of neutrality, which it abandoned Friday when it came out in support of a unified Spain and against Catalan independence.

Historically, Catalonia was a major hub of Jewish settlement before the Inquisition of 1492. Prior to the expulsions that followed this Church-led campaign of religious persecution, a Jewish presence in Catalonia was first documented in 890 C.E. That's more than a century before Jews were documented for the first time in Britain. But it is widely believed that Catalonia saw some of the very first Jewish settlers in Spain, who came there after the Romans destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

The town of Gerona, situated 50 miles north of Barcelona, was the undisputed capital of Jewish life in Catalonia and a hub of Jewish Sephardic learning. Moses ben Nahman, the 13th-century Jewish philosopher known as Nachmanides, was born and raised there.

Israel is on the fence.

Israel is among a handful of Western nations that have remained silent on the dispute. Madrid received public support against Barcelona from the European Union, the United States, Canada, Japan and Mexico, among other international players.

This divergence is part of a policy of nonalignment under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has remained neutral also on the Ukraine-Russia conflict, the civil war in Syria and on the vote in Britain to leave the European Union - all issues on which other Western countries have taken clear-cut positions.

Observers say the policy is designed to reduce friction with potential allies at a time when the United States - under President Donald Trump as well as his predecessor, Barack Obama - has appeared less insistent than in the past on its allies toeing its line.

But Israel has potential dividends to gain - and risks to run - depending on who it supports in the Catalan dispute.

Nonalignment gives Israel an ace up its sleeve. Spain is a generous financier of some organizations that are deemed anti-Israel and of others that are merely highly critical of Netanyahu's policies in the conflict with the Palestinians. As long as Netanyahu remains noncommittal on Catalonia, he may leverage Israel's position on the issue to influence Spanish policies on Israel.

The United States, which has a very large naval base in the southern Spanish city of Rota, is bound to support Spain, as is the European Union, in which Spain is a major member state. But Israel is unbound by such considerations and its neutrality may be a good beginning to a relationship with what could very well become Europe's newest country within the foreseeable future.

Spain supports Palestine - but not unconditionally.

In the wake of the Catalan crisis, some supporters of Israel suggested that Spain is in no position to credibly object to Catalan unilateralism because of its own inconsistencies on this issue abroad - for example, when its federal congress unanimously voted in 2014 for a motion favoring Palestinian statehood.

Or as Washington Examiner columnist Michael Rubin put it in an op-ed from last week, "Spain gets what it deserves on Catalonia's separatism."

Yet as JTA reported at the time, unlike similar motions that passed that year in France and Britain, the Spanish motion stipulates that Spain will recognize an independent Palestinian state only if its creation is agreed upon in negotiations with Israel. This is essentially Israel's policy on the issue, too.

Spain has also remained noncommittal on Western Sahara, a former colony of Spain that is currently under disputed Moroccan control, which some local groups seek to replace with an independent Western Sahara. In March, Spanish Foreign Minister Alfonso Dastis stopped short of supporting Saharawi independence, calling only for "a just political solution" to end the conflict there.

Catalonia supports Israel - up to a point.

Jewish and pro-Israel supporters of Catalan independence sometimes suggest that Israel is more popular in the region than elsewhere in Spain. Opponents underscore Spain's own overtures toward Israel and partnership with it, including a recent judicial fight against anti-Semitism and discriminatory boycotts of Israel.

But neither argument is clear cut, according to Yigal Palmor, a former senior spokesman of the Israeli Foreign Ministry who has served in Spain.

Catalans have traditionally been more "open to Europe" than the rest of Spain, he said. Arguably, this European affinity has inoculated some Catalans to the medieval anti-Semitism that persists to this day in some parts of the country. In the country's north, for example, some people say "kill a Jew" in toasting at traditional feasts.

"These phenomena disappeared in Europe but not in Spain, which has not had a large Jewish presence since the expulsion," Palmor said.

But Catalans were less isolated from the rest of the continent than other regions in Spain, which spent much of the 20th century under the isolationist dictatorship of Francisco Franco.

This, and the Catalan longtime national aspirations, created an affinity to Zionism and Judaism in Catalonia, Palmor said, "where there traditionally has been a lot of respect for the kibbutz movement, the revival of the Hebrew language and Zionism generally across the political spectrum."

But in the 1990s, he added, the Catalan left wing grew closer to its "anti-globalist, Third World-oriented" counterparts in Madrid, introducing the campaign to boycott Israel in a big way to Catalonia, Palmor said. At least five of the approximately 50 Spanish municipalities that declared their support for the boycott of Israel are in Catalonia.

Last year, a leader of a left-wing Catalan political party called a leader of the Jewish community, who is not Israeli and has no foreign nationality, "a foreign agent." And earlier this year, the mayor of Barcelona ignored protests by Jewish groups over the hosting in her city of a Palestinian terrorist, Leila Khaled.

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