Turn based strategy games

I played these games because I was told that they were turn based strategy games that required strategy only to find they weren't. tactics was just a basic casual jrpg and disgaea was a grind fest(i dropped it cause of how much i hate grinding).
Are there any turn based games out there that are more like what I'm looking for?
I know there's online magic the gathering but I hate the idea of having a good or bad hand dependent on luck which is why I don't want to mess with card games. something like a tactics game or chrono trigger is more my style.

Lack of gitgud

I mean there wasn't much too it. either you out damaged the guy or there was a glaring and I mean GLARING weakness to them, like a bad geoblock. other then that it was go to the item world (which isn't that bad of an idea, I just wish item world was in a better game).
but to summarize, disgaea isn't smart. and if you think it is and have evidence then show me.

but I haven't giving up though. still looking at more.
gonna try some of the gba fire emblems, lost magic, and the suikoden series. but they look pretty basic

I wish more TBS games were like FFT and implemented charge-time for their units. I've been so spoiled by it I find it incredibly hard not to go back to it after playing another game. It just makes playing so much more faster and fun.

ya know I forgot I had pillars of eternity which i was having a blast with until the game froze on me and I lost my progress when it came out. It's been long enough where I'm not really affected by it anymore. maybe i should check out wasteland 2 as well.

Try Wild Arms XF.

Xf is good, it's a little railroady but stays interesting, free class change is always fun
Also try tactics ogre: l.u.c.t

Tactics Ogre for the PSP is one of the greatest games I've ever played. It's even more impressive whenever it hits me that it's a Super Famicom game given a remake, and that nearly all of the incredible systems in it were there from the start.

Dawn of heros
Bleach: The 3rd Phantom
Advance wars