2hu

is it shit?

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probably not

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NISA was a mistake.

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Thinking about it, why put Remi on the front of the box art? Since this is the first official appearance of 2hu in the west, they should at least try to show off Reimu or Marisa.

You think NISA knows what 2hu is?

It's a touhou knock off of a better game; Pic Related

Also;

Not if you count cameos

Wheres my special Clownpiece limited edition set?

One of two possibilities
1) They know nothing about touhou and put no thought into character presence on the box art
2) They know a lot about touhou, and realize the Remi is infinitely better than Reimu

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Quit fighting, we all know Yuugi is the best 2hu

Used up alcoholic old hag vs infinitely young and refined master of the night

You sound like a pussy who can't handle a few drinks

This is a secondary thread. That aside the game itself looked fun but I never played much of it because of the DRM.

shit taste

Sorry, but that's wrong too.

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As expected

REMOVE YOUKAI!

What else would it turn into?

An actual discussion about the games, character, and the setting instead of parroting the same shitty memes over and over?

A Good thread.

I want to believe that it is possible to have a good thread.

I wanted to hear a bit more about this game and its translation before people started shitposting about waifus. Their inability to pick the correct best 2hu is pretty sad, too.

Is there anything worthwhile left to discuss though? I gave up on ZUN's narrative (or lack thereof) long ago, now I just care about dodging bullets, boss themes and Mima prophecies

The chances of Mima getting her own game are the same as NISA doing something good.

You can do what /tg/ does and make some OC. A friend and I spent 4 years working on an original character and and a fanfic starring him.

Remember that dodging is important too.

As long as these bones of mine still feel, my hope for her return will not falter

Touhou is cancer

rhetorical question
yes

Just keep it to yourself

I heard their work was declining but damn

Did they even attempt to get into melee range?

What is it supposed to be? Some kind of game?

Still a lot better than spouting the same memes and circlejerking in the hundredth off-topic thread going nowhere.

fucking toohoofags can't do anything right

Thats what the kept trying. Which was funny since I basically got free melee hits off every time since they came towards me while I was drifting lazily to the left and lightly taping square.

That who episode was pretty disappointing.

I rather shitfling with waifufags about who best 2hu is rather than having to filter an autist's delusional tales

I guess simple is best for some people.

What with this autistic un-natural sounding dialogue?

This goes against the doujin spirit. ZUN is a sellout.

2hu is still reclining

They all fall in the end, the amount of people that drifted into this community made sure of that

Honestly you ain't the only one doing autistic shit involving touhou, In my case I'm just trying to get my shit together for a DM Session for a shitty game repurposed for cute girls doing cute things. Yet here we have you and your friend with a OC that happens to be male. Those tend to be the biggest type of faggot characters.

Still Buttflustered over your SSB Clone being abandoned?

Ether all male or no male.

Its been reclining for years if thats the case, but its "replacement" free2pay, pay2win boat whores mobile app game is everything wrong with modern gaming in one franchise.

I know what a male original character sounds like in the context of 2hu, but he's not really not anything like that. For one thing, he's a nile crocodile. No, not an anthropomorphic crocodile who talks, he's an actual crocodile.

To be fair, ZUN has a wife and son to take care of now. Not everyone has disposable income.

I don't know much about canned coal, but it seems both communities are similar, and not in a good way.

He could just get a job

He does have a job. Making 2hu games.

Except that was a hobby more than anything, hence why he didn't present them as anything more than doujin games. If he didn't want to "sell out", he could have gotten a real job instead

Doesn't he own a brewery?

Never heard of that, does he now?

True, but one is made by a drunk who wanted to be a musicians and draws ms paint waifus that a community improves on later on.

The other is a company who soul purpose is to emulate said drunk, pays off that community to make them draw porn versions of their boat whores, while being a shit microtransaction skinnerbox sellfone game.

So what did they break this time?

Indeed, ZUN isn't as bad as the canned coal devs, but that isn't really saying much
Wait what?

Close but no cigar

Why not an infinitely young alcoholic master of my cock?

meme tier

Fuck off you crippled aussie cunt

Think the user is referring to pic related.

Isn't that Reimu in the back, though?

I definitely enjoyed it. Imported the aisa version with an English translation to bypass NISA.

It's like Acceleration of Suguri 2 and that SNES VS shmup where you can become the boss. Meter allows you to use big attacks and is gained by grazing. But there are many attacks that force you to move faster to avoid them. There are also melee attacks that have a paper rock scissors aspect so faster characters have a better time getting into melee range.

It's pretty good but I think you guys should get it for less. It can get boring fast. 40 is too much for it but that doesn't mean it's bad in the slightest. I think it's great for those who want a simple and hectic game to go against friends.

I am best Touhou

There is a lack of freedom in this game.

2hus.

Every time I mention Meiling.
If I ever meet that guy, I'm gonna give him a good smacking for trying to take my waifu and for making loving her look bad.

This game looks like one of those hidden japanese gems i always hear about

I don't understand how this reflects japanese society as a whole

It's so inundated with koreans it is practically jewish.

My point is that since Reimu and Marisa are the main characters of 2hu and this is going to be people's first exposure to the series, why isn't one of them the first character we see? This makes her look like a side character while the story revolves around Remi.

Close, but not close enough

I see, sources would be good but I'll take what I can get

Post a pic of yourself then

At least you don't waifu Ritsu, I kind of feel for one user I met who did

Yeah, but it still seems a tad bit unusual. I could understand why they put Remi and Sakuya in because of EOSD being more recognizable than other titles, but even then Marisa isn't on there.

Its like if Capcom made another Mega Man game but they put Guts Man and Cut man on the front while the Blue Bomber is behind them Maybe a bad example but you get the point

We need more games like this

I think they are already aware.
dualshockers.com/2016/09/01/xseed-announces-touhou-scarlet-curiositys-playstation-4-release-date-new-screenshots/

I think they are already aware.

He did have a real job. Working for Taito for years. Then quit because he figured that Touhou made him just enough money to live as an alcoholic bum making music and games all day. Then a roastie latched onto him got herself pregnant and is doing everything in her power to break his soul. Did you see the Touhou 20th anniversary special? He is a broken cuck. His hope and dreams: gone.

Bomber Grape the guy that wrote Daily Lives of High School Boys and did a few really good Touhou non-H doujinshi on the side mentioned it in one of his tweets. Anyone have the screencap and translation?

So many video games to play and you get your kicks dodging circles.

It's actually really fun. I am taking a break right now because I spent all day trying to 1cc lunatic IN and my head and thumbs hurt.

Oh hell yeah, my favorite!

So what you're saying is…ZUN is going to turn into Monty Oum 2.0?

What's your favorite game, user? Chances are it's about moving bars or bumping squares into each other.

If you like Bomber Grape here are some of his Touhou doujinshi. They are pretty fucking great.
>>>/saovq/295

Wait, they are basically porting existing doujin games to the ps4 for a quick cash grab aren't they?

3DPD strikes again. Always sad to see another decent game dev cucked

Yeah, that's some terrible luck.

>>>/r9k/
Why do you lonely faggots always have to bring your wizardchan-tier shit into unrelated topics.
No one cares, just go back and circlejerk how much you hate everyone.

Bar Move 2: Square Bump

GET GASSED YOU FUCKING KIKES

Well…yes and no.

Yes they're porting them, some of them however will have exclusive DLC to them (Reisen being one of them, don't remember the game)

sweet, thanks user

Yes.
At least 14.5 won't lag like shit online though.

does he have a gf willing to kill him?

I brought up what was relevant to the discussion. Thank your for getting offended though. The knowledge that an innocuous comment on a Chinese calligraphy circle can offend someone and have them demand I leave in a huff only makes my dick harder.

Today I will remind them.

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Would not be surprised if ZUN's bitch wanted to murder him and take all the 2hu money away & try to shame his son for what he is.

Sounds familiar.

So… yes?

I wonder who aside from a bunch of dumb weebs will be playing online. Otherwise you'll have to duke it out with nips and their magic ping

I haven't seen much about ULIL in a while. What's up with the rabbit? Have we gotten any good gameplay footage of her yet? Any other changes to ULIL when it comes to the console?

Not worth full price. If it was Genius of Sappheiros or Devil of Decline, then yeah, that would be worth the price Rondo was being sold at.

You are born just in time for your waifu to be locked behind a paywall. Pay up if you want to see her again!

Heh, sure.

Maybe br HUEs? Or not.

I though that was released in the Vita JP store back in April?

Yeah, but I would like an English Vita release. And since DoD is its successor game, I was thinking they could do a dual release. Though that might be asking for too much.

Well there is a decently big SA/Mexican community, and I'm afraid they're going to bite too.

Well the future looks quite bleak for this franchise already

Fate is cruel.

They might have taken the localization a bit too far.

I think they are going after the more "technically impressive looking" games first. Which is a bit sad.

BEST LOLI 2HU

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Yup, thats the one I'm referring to.

Will ZUN's bitch actually be crazy enough to do it, who knows. Don't be surprised if it happens.

Bet you wish you had Clownpiece eh?

To be fair, the franchise has been going on for almost 20 years and at some point, it will have to end much like other long-running franchises like Naruto & Bleach.

Of course, it could still keep going under more fan games and fan content while ZUN no longer has hand in them so that'd be doujin spirit.

2hufags deserve everything that is happening to them

ur a faget

I laughed too far at that.

Well I tried to find the pic of Surinam Toad Suwako for you user, but I guess it just aint happening.

Clownpiece a shit and you know it
Thing is, it's been going for 15 years without much major changes to ZUN himself. Now that he got himself into this situation, things can change real quick

wew lad

no u

Praise KEK

Nah, with a kid in the picture, it would look "dishourablu", and she already got everything she wanted.

They have been strangely quite about it all. They didn't even announce a publisher.

Well they are apparently doing one of the Mystery Dungeon Touhou games. So don't know if that counts as looking technically impressive or not.

The more accurate transliteration for KEK is actually KUK, you know.

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Are we boots now?

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Strangely arousing. I want to do things to those holes.

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Enjoy frogs climbing up your dick

Fate is cruel.

It is

Well…uhh…I learned something new.

Yup, that's my new fetish alright.

You just gotta let them all come out first or something.

Isn't what remains just dead tissue though?

I think the more important thing to discuss here is the fact he wants to fuck a male's back.

I don't really see how that's an issue.

you're being a necrophile, stop it

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is a sax a horn?

Translation when?

I guess there's that too

Outside it being rough and not generating heat, I guess none

It is if you want it hard enough

boobies!

I love it when they show attention to details.

Intro cutscenes, they worked for Sony, god damn will the keep on working.

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That Reimu was very cute. But that Rinnosuke… He didn't look bad, but something seemed super off. Especially the mouth. The mouth looked a lot like those low res mouth animations used in Digimon World 1's opening cutscenes.

No the people that originally made the doujin games are doing vita/PS4 ports in japan, they're just getting localized now.

I was not talking specifically about NISA really, but I understand your confusion

Wait, it's official? I thought it was the fan game.

>>>/hell/

Lighting atmosphere and presentation are done better in the 3rd game's intro cutscene. Hell, you know its a game about looting jewels because Reimu is trying to mug Rinnosuke.

Yes

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so theres like 2 anons in the thread that have mentioned actually playing the game.

That's two too many.

I was one of the ones he mentioned and I was playing Imperishable Nights.

It's a fan game, yeah, but half of 2hu's popularity comes from fan-made stuff.

I played a bit of the PC version, and it's nothing too special.

I beat LoLK with Udonge on Legacy.
Never again.

I beat Reimu's story. It took like 20 minutes.
Not that I was expecting that much since this game seems to be more like a fighting game than danmaku. Not even the good fighting games like Scarlet Weather Rhapsody.
Hope the other games are better. Gensokyo Mystery Dungeon should be much better.

Raison and Raison 2 are both worthless shits.

it's a port of a 4 year old game, what needed to be said about it?

Big words coming from a rando.

False
They are good for their sex appeal.

well thats a shame, it looks pretty.

well i meant genso rondo specifically. i assume all of us have played at least a handful of 2hus. im never going to get past clownpiece, im practically her bitchboy by now.

someone is bringing that over? a small ray of light i guess. is it going to include the expansion?
on a somewhat related note im considering getting one way heroics mystery chronicle, i loved the original(s). i want to know more about the differences between the original and mystery chronicle edition though.

Don't bully the buns!

This is what death looks like.

im always stuck on her sex dungeon card. the one where she cooks you with the stripes on the american flag

Well, NISA announced a Touhou Genso Wanderer. I don't know if it's including all the Mystery Dungeon games or just the latest one.
Can't help you with One Way Heroics. Never played it.

It's very pretty, but the music's pretty meh and I think the effects on the bullets make them a bit hard to see at times. Still, my experience with this game is with the stupid AI, so maybe playing against other players isn't that bad. and aren't exactly making online sound fun and exciting, though.

Arent waifufag threads confined to wednesdays?

What's that fat kike going to do? Ban every proxy on the planet?

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sage because shitposting, but, do you really have to bait this low just for replies?

Strange enough, this thread has mostly been about the video games, the guy who makes the video games, clips from the video games, game mechanics from the video games, the spin off games, the shitty company ripping off this drunk guy, feature games, and the shitty and not so shitty companies releasing them.

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but neither one of you are saging
im being baited, thats okay

Well that's another feature broken in the 8ch fork of overchan. Thanks codemonkey.

Touhou still hasn't died? I thought Kancolle was going to blow it out of the water.

That ship is already sinking.

Oh they released a new trailer for Touhou Hakureisou today.

maybe if they made actual video games

oh thats a "shame". i like their loli titty monsters.

You mean Kancolle is declining?

Granblue Fantasy is devouring it's free2play pay2win shallow meme driven market share.

ooohhhhh, forgot about that

Well can't say I liked Kancolle myself. I guess it was nice of it to bring paizuri back into popularity?

oh, thats what granblue fantasy is? is there an actual decent game behind that one?

The best way to tell is which fandom is pumping out the most fan content. That's usually a good gauge to go by. I've seen a lot of Granblue popping up recently though, so that accusation does hold some weight to it.

God fucking damning chodemonkey.

What did you fuck up now?

when browsing porn, yeah.

No, not really. Most cards are absolute carbage the rate for decent ones is obscenely low. You keep rolling the dice thinking you might get a good one. When you finally do you realize the game is shit, but you have already invested so much money you think to yourself

And the cycle repeats, endlessly

or so I have heard.

I will never think that for myself because I am not garbage who spends money on mobage.

It actually pains me to see that such filth is on my board.

It really isn't. Kancolle for example has been paying artists to exclusively draw their characters in order to create more attention and hype for the series. It wouldn't surprise me if Granblue starts to do the same thing.

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No one actually cares about Touhou games.

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They have a popular arcade game.

What kind of desktop is that.

TouNix

What did you do to Suika?!

doing the gods work user
never let anyone tell you otherwise

What the hell is TouNix.

you could always got the pc version, you know the one that came before the console version?

It's a piece by the author of Spiral Phantasm.

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But you're not a secondary. A sizable portion of any of these fandoms are secondaries and they jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, and in the case of people that create shit who are also secondaries to some degree or another: they do it for profit and recognition, so they will go where the money/attention is and people will follow because popularity shifts around like that.

Are you one of those turncoats?

Suika noooo

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Tounix, is in fact, STG/Tounix, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, STG plus Tounix. TouNix is not an Touhou game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning STG system made useful by the STG musiclibs, graphic utilities and vital shooting components comprising a full Toho experience.

Kancolle I don't actually feel that bad about being a secondary. I can masturbate all day long to all the super hot sluts I want and not feel bad about it because the source material is shit.
Also, a reminder that Kadokawa, makers of the "Touhou Killer", Kantai Collection, bans any and all fan games, demands 60 FUCKING PERCENT of all fan doujin sales, and loves to sue people for "copyrights" (aka not paying Kadokawa enough for drawing their characters)

it's touhou so yes it is shit.

It's pretty gud. I am waiting for the author to respond to my messages so I can buy a copy or for him to release it on Pixiv like he did with volume 1

whats average?

none.

wouldnt that make the average 30% now?

Indeed, that's why the future of this franchise worries me after seeing ZUN's state. When the secondaries start to get bored and move to greener pastures, the money will go with them. This could very well mean the end of 2hu, at least as we know it, being either modified to attract more attention or simply dying out due to ZUN not getting the required shekels

imo why give a shit

Because I don't want everything about this to die

but autistic retards like you are going to keep it alive long after it has lost any semblance of relevance even in the most niche of communities

I hope ZUN will keep doing this stuff regardless of what other people flock to. Didn't he say he mainly did this for himself at some point?

by playing video games and posting reaction images?
its the "secondaries" that invigorate content.

Is there anywhere to download devil of decline 3.03? All I find is vanilla or versions with the first expansion.

That's the equivalent of saying "it will live on in your hearts" . Sure we'll remember 2hu but we won't get any new meaningful content on it. That's what I mean with it dying you stupid little shit

He did indeed, just seems he isn't anymore. As one user said, he's got a wife and kid to feed, so if he wants to keep dedicating full time to 2hu instead of getting a job he's going to go under when the secondaries leave

I don't really keep up with what goes on outside of whatever he releases, barring the reading material, but that's a damn shame. I guess let's hope they take their sweet time finding something new.

so is it time to brush off game maker studio and make our own fan games wihle theres still interest?

maybe later

Nah, we can do that whenever. It's not like we'd be marketing it to plebs, they should have wised up after the failure of 2hu SSB, and 2hu fangames seem to be a no go on kikestarter and the like

You guys act like there aren't thousands of touhou fan games already

But that means it's a trap!

ZUN's had a normal job since 2009. His wife is a programmer. Did you idiots seriously think he was making a living off of shooting games that no one buys? Fucking 2hu fags I swear to god.

Do you really think that Holla Forums would be deterred by traps?

What kind of question is that?

It's 2HU. Of course it's shit!

I wouldn't expect him to make money off the games, since most 2hufags are casuals that have never even touched them.
I would, however, expect the owner of an internationally popular IP, in a market full of weebs that waste extraordinary amounts of money on waifu merchandise, to be comfortable financially if not wealthy.

it's kind of embarassing if that's not the case

I mean it could always get worse.
He could sell out to Hollywood, especially when they seem he'll bent on manga/ anime adaptations now with Ghost in the shell and the Edge of Tomorrow.

play Senko no Ronde instead

is that the tom and jerry thing?
the pic related pose

Considering it's like a year later at this point, I can't help but think maybe someone ought to update that with anything that's happened since then.

At least he's doing music albums

Dude what
Some of you don't even know that Touhou games are being sold, and Kancolle is going to be dying since they're running out of ships to make and are avoiding USA ships since they think it would make their greatest ally mad.

Not that Kancolle death matters because really Touhou is just going to survive.

Meiling is love and life

that's just one of the things I keep hearing people say before they added Iowa (and then with the RN before Warspite). Unexpected things happen.

But yeah, KC will have to stop eventually. I never doubted for a second that Touhou will survive.

Of course Touhou will survive. I'm just bothered by the fact that ZUN's putting a game on a console and adding features that I haven't heard will also come to the PC version. Why even work with Sony in the first place?

My brother.

Well at least there is a chance GiTS may be another TDKR Place Scene

You mean on regular Touhou(Danmaku)? That seems standard.

Holy shit

My Meilingbros. I thought I'd never find you guys here, especially in such a large amount. Two fans of Meiling in one place? God damn, I thought I was so alone that I'd be lucky to even find one Meilingbro. I love how she's really tough, but still womanly, and how she isn't a little girl and seems to be in her mid 20's or maybe even 30 at the most. She uses her abilities to round out her martial arts and be tougher rather than to do crazy shit, and she's rather humble, but still really strong. She's also super carefree and relaxed, and I like that, and on top of that she's friendly and nice as shit, to the point where people mistake her for a human.

That's a strange way to spell Mamizou

Fat Pachi' is best Pachi'

But yeah, she is a lovely lady with a heart of gold.

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Honestly bullet ballet whatever wasn't a bad game, surprisingly deep for a 1v1 danmaku thing.

The 'story' modes were hastily cobbled together though and read far worse than the average ZUN.

Get it if you have someone that will play it with you. Otherwise you'll get through all the content very fast.

Here's the rest.

exhentai.org/g/632228/27fb92a8a0/

I like her a little thick.

I gotchu fam
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I love these
Except for nigger Borma

At the end of this comic, she kills hundreds of people with fire and centipedes just because she was a little insecure about herself.

I can't deny that the fans surely made Touhou something really special.
But I would like to see more of this "terrifying" side of Touhou explored. Is there a game for that?

i personally want to see more of "Yukari is an ancient weird 2spooky monster"

sucks that it doesnt seem to have a tag on pixiv

So, a bit like Double, since she is also a being from another dimension. I wonder if they looked at Yukari to create her concept.

Is the title of that one Kami Yasumi? All I am finding is gook and zipperhead versions of it.

mah nigga

dynasty-scans.com/chapters/kami_yasumi#1

Mamizou is good, but you are all forgetting the best Maid, EoSD boss, and player character

NISA is always good for mining salt from autistic spergs. I will always love them for that.

NISA is always good for watching faggots take a big bite of their shit sandwich. I will always love the way they tell me it is delicious.

Funny way of spelling Flandre Scarlet

HE said best, not shit.

youtube.com/watch?v=12AHLzW4kks

youtube.com/watch?v=YBaMrjp8JPE
Zun didn't steal it from zeta gundam.
youtube.com/watch?v=2G11eQLKiro

OK, nice find with the Gundam theme on both games, but, I said Double could be based on Yukari, not the contrary.

Everything is shit user. Look at where you are posting.

Yukari is more teleporting gaps, double is a shape shifter, they really don't seem to have much over lap.

yukes is sometimes depicted as a scary eldritch thing. she might just be a wizard though.

Are you saying that an user ascended beyond wizardhood to become an eldritch abomination only to ascend further and end up as the thing we call Yukari?

would user lock himself in a japanese pocket dimension with a bunch of super powered lolis? you know, maybe

That sounds exactly like the thing most of us would do.

So he's gone jew. That was the original implication of my post after all

2hu will probably survive for now, but will it manage without sacrificing some of what made it great?

Hold your horses fam, it's nice but by no means something to get that excited about

Well, he didn't become the little girl but he got pretty close

I would

If we can all be good friends, then absolutely.

"Eldritch abomination" works fine, user.

Ever since ULiL pointed it out, actually, it always struck me as odd that Yukari's design/powers is based closer to an urban legend rather than an existing youkai in Japanese lore.

Assuming the "Maribel = Yukari" theories are true, then I guess it wouldn't be that surprising. But that raises a LOT more questions than it does answers, and that's a rabbit hole for a /2hu/ thread, not here.

What I want to know is how exactly Renko is related to Sumireko.

They have a similar hat?

They share the same surname and both are in the Secret Sealing Club.

And they have a similar hat. That has to account for something right?

By your logic, Pics related are all related.

That's easy user. Those are of a different color

Well if they're related, maybe Sumireiko passed her hat down to Renko.

Doesn't that mean Renko is from the future then? I heard the 2hus were set in the past, but never confirmed it

Pretty sure Merry/Renko are set in the near future.

I got a better one,
why do both Rumia and Koakuma wear the same thing?

Devilishly good fashion sense.

Because they have similar taste on clothes. Those ain't hats user

I won't disagree with those dubs.

Sumireko founded the Sealing Club. Sumireko comes from a point in time closer to our own.

Renko's time period is all fucked up. Proper booze is a rarity and people drink artificial shit that doesn't get you drunk.

It's ZUN alright

what of Doremy and Santa?

Easy, they do their best work while you're asleep.

This

you got me there.

No need to feel bad, it was there from the start, right under our noses. A new secret of 2hu has finally been revealed

Because koakuma appearance is secondary fandom tier shit.

Sumireko is contemporary, she gets into same-time current gensokyo in her dreams. In the manga Kasen pretty much uses her to get shit into gensokyo

Yes. Go git gud at IN Lunatic 1CC, faget.

And Raymoo users her to explain physics since all saynay is good for is being a cumdumpster.

Got frustrated so I am playing some LoLK today.

if you are sad remi pets you

Holy shit what an unpleasant game for the senses.

You all already lost.

i dont know, the barking reimu brings a sense of clear mindedness to the whole thing.

What the fuck, they just ripped off that one Ys Origin boss