We want the Grand Theft Auto San Andreas audience

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But San Andreas actually had a likeable character, not a we wuz

lol

do you know his story?

I've seen a few of the gameplay videos, he just seems like the least offensive and blandest fucking character ever
He might as well be white and be wearing military clothes

Who?

I couldn't get past the intro because of all of the hood rat nigger shit.

Ah fuck off mate

Can you blame me for having no interest in a character I can't relate to in any way?

If you had played enough to give it a chance you would've loved it
It's like not reading any story that doesn't take place in your own country and in your time because "you can't relate to it"

It's dumb.

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Yeah, nah, he was just a nigger. But BUT, at least he fit the setting. Nobody took nignogs seriously as people until recently-ish.

In san andreas, the character fits with the themes and style of the game they were making, CJ feel natural. A black man in a game about the mafia feels like blatant shoe horning.

Is it like a JRPG with an absolutely shitty main character that grows on you over time (like ~40 hours in) by way of redeeming themselves and becoming a better person?

As much as i hate the dumb faggots that think San Andreas was better than IV, CJ was a good nigger that fit his game unlike this other fucking nigger that is just being used to push the liberal homosexuals jew puppets propaganda

I wouldn't say it takes that long, after a few hours you should be already invested

leave

Well let's not detract from the main point of the thread which is the Mafia games having a nigger shoehorned in.

I will say this though, the only open world GTA "esque" game I've ever truly enjoyed was Sleeping Dogs, so it's probably just not my genre. A game not being my favorite genre + having a character I don't like in it doesn't exactly entice me to play it.

That's because Sleeping dogs was a such a surprise, nobody expected something like it. And to add upon that it had a setting that has barely been explored in vidya, actually good combat and a somehwat interesting story

This shit is, once again, set in some shitty american city, everything else witll probably be a straight up rip from GTA, and the story will be laughable at best.

I mean shit the Mafia is big in italy, does it really take that much to set the game in a foreign city to make at least a little bit more interesting?

inhenrently a better game, just take your shit casual tastes and shove it up your ass

Just to sate your curiosity - whilst I wouldn't say CJ is interesting or a good character, he's at least not a "dindu" type. He's the good old "tries to not go in but they pull him back in" type, who just happens to be friends and family with gang members despite not really wanting trouble for himself.

Doesn't help there's a police officer (Samuel L Jackson) that seems to want to fuck him over for some reason.

In short, Franklin from V but without the retarded "they may be stupid dindus but they yo fameeleh" conclusion.

None of the GTA games are good, they're lazy sandbox pieces of shit made by hackfrauds.

The only thing that really matters is the shooting, and it's barely any better.
All the other physics shit is just flavoring on the side

i cant hear you over how loud your delusion is

You can call GTA games a lot of things but lazy isn't one of them, try reading about how SA pushed the envelope for video games and how much work they put into the development and stop talking out your ass like the contrarian child you are.

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We can see how new you are because of your ID. You aren't fooling anyone, kid.

GTA is mostly about fun shooting and cool physics. What are you on?

The only valid criticisms of GTA IV are performance problem and the missions are bland compared to previous GTA's in favor of realism. Mafia I fans can easily overlook these flaws though, I've always felt that GTA IV is a Mafia I sequel set in modern day.

None of them are any good gameplay-wise. They're trash designed to appeal to a vast majority, the edgy fucks who want to kill everyone, the wiggers, normalfags, and just plain old negroes. Not even the first two were good, and I can enjoy those more than the urban wastelands that are San Andreas and Vice City.

You know a game that really pushed the envelope? Shenmue.

No?
Only IV has actual physics and physics shooting
And it's still worse for both story, characters and map

rly

I ain't ainglish

Michael does not enjoy his life. He is a miserable fuck going to therapy while his wife cucks him & his kids hate him.
It's that Disney princess syndrome in which the princess wants "something more" but doesn't seem to know what the fuck it even is. They're just unsatisfied. The difference is, even after Franklin gets the big house & all the money he thought he wanted he's still fucking miserable.
What decadence? Trevor is another preachy message disguised as simplistic "fun redneck guy doesn't care lol!" while Michael delivers the true message being conveyed with Trevor: that you need to be aggressively nihilist / emotionally-damaged to enjoy being a criminal. Yet another "Crime is bad, m'kay".

But what exactly is the social justice/leftist propaganda in the game ?

I don't know. I think the game is going to bad but it's not because you're playing as a blackie.

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No, it's "semi-realistic" in a way that obviously crime is bad and obviously they're gonna have bad consequences, it's been that way since GTA 1, the storytelling has just evolved. It's not preachy because it doesn't beat you in the head with it. GTA 4 was preachy as hell, GTA 5 is not at all

gta san andreas was good because it wasn't forced and didn't try to glorify its characters because of their race. this is gonna be shit and immersion breaking through and through because of all the PC fanservice. It's odd too, cause I found mafia 1 and 2 really enyojable but suddenly they just took a shit on all of their values and sold out with no prior warnings whatsoever.

WUZ

It will be shit

What is mafia? Not the game but the term "mafia"

One of the most famous mafias in US were Italian and Irish mafia in the '20 '30 '40 '50, not fucking nigger gangs or "families"

look at this fucking retard

exactly. that's why it's good. it's a perfect parody of the american dream. michael is seemingly living it but in reality everything's fucked. franklin wants something more but all the murder seems to leave a bad taste in his mouth, as if he doesn't like it but because of the "something more" promise he just keeps doing it despite it not making him any happier. the fact that you're told that his GF left him and that he can call her just to have her tell him to leave her alone, reinforces this "lost" character who doesn't even know what he wants anymore. I think the characters in V were really well made, tbh. a perfect parody. despite all the humor and ridiculousness, this empty, unsatisfied feeling always lingers

You can argue about the extent to which the "message" is pushed upon the audience since what qualifies as part of the "message" is subjective enough.

But franklin is likable character, he has his own motives, story and motivation
He tries to get rich, he tries to get out of the "hood". Actually i think that GTA IV and V had one of the best characters

You are a faggot
Fun is relative, for me good story = fun, non realistic over the top shit = shit

yeah, I'm sure you used soooooo much

I know, that's what I said (or tried to say) in my post. After he made that first heist he felt young again. He liked his previous life but he was forced to change because of the failed robbery and the fact that he has a family.

That's a character profile, not a message, TBH.

No it isn't. I've seen far better combat in many other games but certainly not that one. It's Bamham combat all over again.

More like

Story-focus is a cancer.
Read a book, casual.

This is the only likable black game character I can think of.

I do, fuck off illiterate burger
I bet you didnt even read more than 10 books this year

I don't even have a vested interest in this series, I just like this webm and enjoy posting it whenever possible.

It really isn't, and it couldn't be.

I'd really just like a GTA game like Vice City again. No sophomoric bullshit about "muh murica" that sounds like it belongs in the Bush era, more than anything else.

go play some tetris faggot

Video games are meant to be games.

Last I checked, a football game isn't meant to be about one player's struggle. It's supposed to be sporting.

I've read a War & Peace sized novel in the form of shitposts. :^)

Maybe I will, comrade.

I love when Holla Forums gets triggered.

it's a perfect replacement for gameplay just like grinding and random loot

you don't know how to design one hour of gameplay within a single stage? just throw jiggies everywhere and ask the kid to collect them all

sportball games are shit too

I think the euphoria engine made that fucking game that much more enjoyable. Every interaction felt more realistic and more rich because of it imo. inb4 MUH BUZZWORDS It's a fucking shame that it isn't used more widely, it's basicly a Rockstar games exclusive stuff. I dunno how the hand to hand combat comes into this suddenly, but seeing those canned animations in a game with the euphoria ones was a bit meh, I agree.

I would like the place and the time it's set in if it would be another game. I don't see much connection to the earlier games other than the shoved in main character from 2. This game feels like it's Black Dynamite instead of Goodfellas. It's an edgy negro revenge story with some generic tps shooty-tooty gameplay.

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Stories in games are like plots in porn. It's worthless, and an effort better spent on making the game better, since it's a game. Not a story.

Vice City is the best because it's a gangster doing gangster shit in a time period where criminals actually did get away with some zany shit (70's-80's).
IV comes pretty close because Nico's life/exploits in the game aren't that crazy
SA and V both veer into pure fantasy and there's nothing memorable about their stories

Found your console

nope. good story can make a game with average gameplay so much better and a goood gameplay makes a game with shit or no story better too. ideally both elements should complete each other.

The point is that gameplay should be prioritized or used to enhance the story. If a game plays bad, but the story is good, you're better off watching a let's play of it.

Friendly reminder that Lamar was the best character in GTAV.

Depends on the game. Depends on the porn.

Games don't have to have stories, just like certain films don't have to have stories. But the best ones often (but not always) do, since it's another layer of substance and entertainment to engage the player with.

Also, most games represent a significant investment of time, which doesn't apply with porn (yeah, right), meaning it's more about having the opportunity to tell a good story as a means of delivering the gameplay.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that what you actually mean is 'making the gameplay better'. However, an engaging story (along with a good soundtrack, good visual design, etc) can make a game better.

SA was basically all about CJ and his quest to prove he and his brother dindunuffin.

SA was popular in spite of CJ being a nigger, not because of it.

Always makes me wonder why pansies never whine about the black stereotypes in GTA. Should be SJW buffé.

Lamar's good but he's no Steve fuckin Haines though.

He tries to get out of the hood in name only. He preaches about stopping with crime and yet keeps doing it. He complains about the hood yet still does all that shit with Lamar. At least Lamar was honest and not a two-faced cunt.

They gave up with the GTA series. it's too big now.

"You can take a nig out of the hood, but not the hood out of a nig" - Confucius

They didn't though, they were heroes.

"You can take the silverback out of the jungle, but not the jungle out of the silverback" - Henirch Himmler

Because thats the only thing he can do, he has no education, no contacts and no job opportunities, crime is only way of earning money for him
Because they were childhood friends, and F dosnt want to abandon Lamar because of it.

come on now

Mafia 2 was okay, had flaws, the open world was just a backdrop with literally nothing to do(But thats fine, i liked the episodic story telling, and having the world more open built atmosphere). But why a nigger for this game? Niggers arn't mafia, like at all. I don't get it.

He has an insane amount of money with which he can get all of it, yet he doesn't. He is perfectly fine with being a criminal, he just doesn't want to be a street-level thug.

And thats fine, you should always aim high

Their theory on the origin of the term sounds dodgy. More likely it's a shortened form of ma famiglia (my family) instead of what they suggest.

It would be fine if he didn't keep bitching about being tired of crime. He just comes off as a massive hypocrite.

…and why call the game "Mafia 3" if the mafia is the enemy?

Because these SJW/marxist fags like to appropriate existing institutions to spread their bullshit. Same as they are doing with comic book heroes.

Why can't they just create their own franchise? No response.

Fun facts:
Trevor is bisexual
Trevor is a Canadian pretending to be a redneck just so the FIB gets off his back
Trevor hates real rednecks
Trevor hates "right wing puppets" aka soldiers who in the game don't really give a shit about you
Trevor helps a Mexican kill border patrolmen
Trevor is a liberal by Murrican standards
Trevor is designed to be the most GTA of all the 3 protags in V
At least they made him a mentally ill individual, which explains all the things I have listed.

GTA5 and Mafia 3 are both preachy, but GTA5 at least also lampshades Murrican liberals and had the jaded ex-con who was the only interesting character, and even then he starts out as a literal cuck.

Because creating a new franchise about black criminals would be racist and oppressive to blacks.

But taking an existing franchise about Italian criminals, and then making an instalment where the crime families are black instead is diversifying it, and therefore Progressive (aka double-plus-unoppressive).

I wouldn't say so, his sexual acts towards man are to prove his dominance and intimidate
Its like prison raping is not really gay because its not about homosexuality but about assuring dominance

Also he is a milf/gilf lover with is pretty fucked up

Who?

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You have to realize that their goal is not to create something new and orginal, it's about destroying something in order to build a shitty thing on the top of the rubble. Marxists call that "deconstruction".

I would say it depends on context most of those rapes are hetero man raping hetero man, nobody does it for pleasure

But lets take other example, wrestling, two almost naked man trying to strangle each other, it can range from not gay to webm rel
Trevor in GTA5 is not acting the way he does towards man because he enjoys it but because it helps him dominate and intimidate

I can see what you mean, but no its still gay as fuck.

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Even if that were true, he is still technically bisexual. Just so Cockstar can say "hei guise after putting in a homo as a deuteragonist in TBoGT now you can play as a Bubba-tier prison top too! Still think we're not trendy? Maybe we'll put in trannies next SO KEEP BUYING OUR GAMES!"

Michael was what the feds would call an ex-con at the beginning of the story.

I constantly want to go back to GTA5 because there was so much more to do, but then I realize its like 60 fucking gigs.

Autists can cry all they like, GTA5 was definitely a more fun experience than 4.

I liked both of them, they are just different
GTA4 is better when it comes to technical issues and the seriousness of the story, Nico really felt real
GTA5 is just more of a light hearted satire but a good story nonetheless

THEN HOW DO THEY EVEN GET A BONER

I dont know

Fun fact: The vast majority of prison rapes are conducted by niggers against other niggers and white inmates.

Rockstart are cucks.

But San Andreas was about black gangbangers in LA.

GTA5 didn't work for me. Too American.

Very popular with European Ameriboos though.

Yeah I just made up that term.

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Could you expand on this a bit? What makes GTA V in particular too American?

No, I've definitely seen people use it before.

Prison rape is just stupidity, boredom, degeneracy and quite a bit of mental disease. Just like being gay.

Traps aren't gay.

Technically all GTA games are "too American"
I wonder if we'll ever see Euro or Asian-themed GTA's, i'd love to roam around Tokyo as yakuza

I suppose he means that although it's a homosexual act, it arises for completely different reasons than homosexual attraction.

They're engaging in homosexuality, but most of them aren't homosexuals, won't wish to continue having gay sex once they're on the outside and don't have to worry about prison pecking orders, and would prefer to be fucking women.

Traps aren't but you are

Muh cognitive dissonance

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They do it because they are niggers and they simply can't help but muh dick something.

You are an incredible fucking nigger.

Stop playing videogames. Read books.

I do both you illiterate nigger
inb4 my taste in vidya > your taste in vidya

Not denying that unrealism can be good and fun, but none of the games on that pic is truly fun or good. I still prefer Mafia 1, a quite realistic game, over any of those games.

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Stop playing videogames. Read books.

I WANT NIGGERS OUT OF HERE

serious sam isn't fun, doom is good tho

Typical Holla Forums.

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Actually im in the process of doing so, as the times passes by i play less and read more

Why can't they respect the Italian immigrant heritage and portray them as the racists they were?

your definition of fun sucks tbh.

Good. Now you just need to stop completely and stop going to Holla Forums

Funnily enough "Game Dev Tycoon" gets it pretty much right and somehow most of Holla Forums still can't understand.

Different aspects are important to different genres, I don't care if a simulator has no story but there better be at least some story in an RPG. I don't care that my RTS has shitty graphics but I want to have a clear picture when looking for someone hiding in my FPS. I couldn't give a fuck that dwarf fortress doesn't have sound effects but I want them in Mario.

Please don't. You're just validating the time he spent on his shitpost.

Mafia 2 was a shitshow so this was destined to be shit, nigger or not.

It doesn't matter if they're sprite based or not, they still work well enough.
There are 8 weapons counting the chainsaw and fists in the game, it doesn't matter that there is a limited number because they are different enough from each other to be interesting.
Okay, DOOM might not have a lot of detail, but it's levels are made interesting by the sheer amount of secrets you're able to discover and the things to explore. Also, did you even get to episode 2? That's when things stop looking so "boring".

Okay, I get why someone wouldn't like Serious Sam, but calling it mindless is a little too much. You do have to think about what you're doing, it is not a strategy game of course, but you will be fucked over if you don't think about what weapon to use and when to use, where to dodge, where your enemies are currently. It throws you in different interesting situations, and you either find a way out using your brains and reflexes, or you get completely fucked over.

This.

But having a nigger makes it even worse, just like IRL.

elaborate

You also forgot Big Bro from Binary Domain

To be fair, in the 70s the inner cities were starting to fill up with nigger and spics, and the wops can't exactly show up in force in the ghettos anymore. The basic operation back then was the wops using the niggers to run drugs they bought from the spics, in addition to any other jobs. Remember Stacks in Goodfellas? The Mafia was pretty much recruiting niggers even if they don't let them join the family.

This also led to the rise of black gangs, characters like Frank Lucas who smuggled heroin straight from military bases in Thailand, trying cutting out the usual spic middleman.

The 70s was the beginning of twilight of the American Mafia. Aggressive enforcement of the RICO act in the 70s, because ironically, the Mafia had been too successful that they ran inter-state rackets, gave an excuse for the feds to step in and run various stings and operations that arrested high rankers all the way to the 90s.

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Also there's a hetero version of Lords of the Locker Room, and I'm pretty sure one of the videos actually has Billy Herrington(or some dude who looks like Billy Herrington) wrestling some chick.

Do you have no understanding of mise en scene?

With like 4 of them being used constantly.

I said looking. Looks. No matter what episode.

Well I'm not mindless indeed, but everything around me is mindless. No aesthetics and no grace. The game just throws everything at you nonstop and you still feel no awe.

I would love to see this
Well he is a bisexual after all,

I don't really have full videos but you can look up "straight billy herrington" and you'll see a video of him wrestling someone called Raquel something. From what I understand it's part of some studio long dead called Matrock Adventures but I can't actually find their website anymore.
It's not as cheesy Lords of the Locker Room and it has this thing with mixed wrestling where it's mostly the chick ballgrabbing the dude and then face sitting him for like 3 minutes until he gets the upper hand, repeat until they both get naked and fuck but it's nice since it has my fetish.

Here it is
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What killed it was also the American economy. Post-50's, any italian with half a brain just got a normal job and that was enough to live well.

Which meant the talent recruitment pool was reduced to the lowest of the low tier thugs.

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Traps aren't gay, but you are

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The sentence ends there. They’re not capable of living in society.

GTA4: European immigrant in NYC, the least American city. Russians, Albanians.

GTA5: Niggers, disfunctional American family, LA/California.

The first one satirised the American dream. The second one is more light entertainment.