SMT4: Apocalypse Leaks a Week Early

If I take off your worshippers, would you die?

It would be very painful

For Jews!

NO MARIE, NO PIRATE.

Agreed, that is pretty much the best demon design Kaneko has ever done.

Anyone know what the bonuses are if you import a SMT IV save?

You're doing lucifer's work user, hopefully this one has a decent chaos route.

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These are some of the bonuses they revealed a while back, though it looks like there is more.

I'm going for the Omnicide ending. Fuck peace.

Thanks. Gonna install SMT IV again to find out what else.

Baneposting never ceases to make me smile

NO MARIE NO BUY

someone beat you to it.

I don't, and now I'm out of this thread so that I don't get spoiled on whatever it is that I don't know.

I hope its not that the game is just shit or something

Lucifer is a bargain basement Michael jackson

>All I know is "lol you need to downgrade to 2.x NIGGER"
Fuck Nintendo
Fuck GBAtemp
Fuck the 3DS
Fuck everything
I just wanted to play video games.

Okay you still can downgrade right?
You downgrade to 2.X to get your system specific nonsense, then you use that to get into your Arm9 Processor to completely remove the need for everything and have a system that will auto boot in CFW mode and is completely immune to any and all future patches

Warning: this will take like ten fucking hours.

It's actually much faster now, you can flash it as opposed to having to upgrade and downgrade 10 fucking times.
It still takes like 3 hours though

Theoretically.

Well once you have it done it's pretty advantageous. And the software has come far enough that there's no chance of a brick unless you fuck up

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So what, am I supposed to nuke my CFW shit and start over? Is that what you're saying through that thick layer of snark? That's the exact fucking guide I meant when I said the documentation doesn't give a rat's ass if you have CFW and CN already. What the fuck do I do if I already have it? Disregard it, it's worthless, it won't help, put it the fuck down?
Can you speak like a normal human being, or are you just going to greentext and post more smug anime girls? Because this is why I haven't put this time in, right here.

Naw, you can go from whatever you want.
Hell I did it from CAKES.
If you really want to play it safe, you can upgrade to LUMA and then do the whole Arm9 process.
There's a guide in the OP of the 3ds piracy thread. It works as long as you can still downgrade/upgrade (and you're on the right system firmware, so you can)
You should grab the newest downgrader/upgrader though. And make sure your system files are the right region when you try to downgrade/upgrade. It's one of the few ways to actually brick now

I expected you to not be fucking illiterate.
>If you have already hacked your 3DS before to get an EmuNAND or RedNAND setup, and would like to move the contents of your previous EmuNAND or RedNAND to your new SysNAND CFW, you should follow all instructions and restore your existing RedNAND when prompted once you reach Part 3 - arm9loaderhax.

Is she wearing a hijab? This is making it hard for me to resist.

They made MC look better in the english cover.

Yeah, so you still have to nuke your shit and do the instructions as if you didn't have CFW in the first place. Since there's nothing else drafted up for documentation, I guess I'll just have to deal with the thick hard cock up my ass left by whoever decided that CFW from the old era should be a thing, huh?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go throw up and cry until I have the motivation to find a way to upgrade my shit to 9.x.x without having to deal with that shiesty lying chart again.

It's the pieta but with this color scheme.

Is that supposed to be Virgin Mary?

Yep.

Other cool, semi-rare SMT demons coming through.

holy shit I'm having so much fun with this, after I saw the mc's design I was super down on the game but the beginning feels real good

It's amazing what actually introducing a coherent conflict and plot does for your game.

SMTIV meandered for a few hours, trying to lay down a half hearted mystery of exactly wtf was going on with Mikado, and obviously signal who was each alignment's rep while playing out with a Persona 3/4 style flow. This is content to immediately lay down concrete stakes, throws you in, kills your friends sells your soul to the Celts.

Superior Ialdabaoth coming through.

Fuggin love that mecha so much.

I do like how there is more back and forth when talking to demons now, feels more like an actual conversation. If there is one of the few things 4 did right, it was conversing with demons and bosses.

Honestly they didn't even really do that well. One thing that really bothered me in 4 was Hoy and Jon personality don't even really match there alignment. Hoy acts pretty honorable and level headed while Joon is pretty violent and hotheaded. The conflict at Lilith felt really forced when there was no conflict between them up until the trial bit.

I have mixed feelings about seeing her, I guess it is not like we had stuff like Black Maria. Cool Demiurge though. Wasn't Jesus in one of the Raidou games too?

This isn't important. Is there porn of the protag yet?

You're thinking of Agony, which is from the original Devil Summoner, which we have never gotten in English.

Agony's race is Undead, meaning it is literally Zombie Jesus.

SMT is woke as fuck breh.

Yo is this a sequel to SMTIV or a complete version of it? I haven't played it yet.

Sequel to SMT IV that takes place during the neutral path.

I don't get why that would be Undead, Jesus dying in the cross…
Well, I can understand why that wouldn't make it here. DS is still pretty good, SH is best DS.

Most likely due to His rising on the third day.

I'll just wait for the undub, thanks.

For anyone who has played IV: takes place immediately after the Chalice of Hope nonsense ends, right before you go after the final bosses.

There is one already apparently.

oh shit that's right, Char is one of the VAs right? Much better than commie faggots.

Nigga where?

Found it.

mega:///#!hZUSEZZb!5hx_CAm0Gixt6UvQetOFPgmyZgKRDTDC_FgTAzw5fDI

password:
NikolaMiljevic

mega.nz#!hZUSEZZb!5hx_CAm0Gixt6UvQetOFPgmyZgKRDTDC_FgTAzw5fDI

password:

NikolaMiljevic

Fuck I really need to get around to playing this, I've been putting it off so long the foreignese version came out.

One of the single most important characters in the game, yes and you can choose to side with him over all your happy cheery friendship group

Thanks niggas

Any way of trying this out on citra?
Converting CIA to 3DS files hardly ever works with convertors

I've just started playing around with Citra so I'm not too knowledgeable. My 3ds is already 11.0 so homebrewing it for piracy seems like a pain to go through.

or is there a way to get decrypted 3ds files out of CIA files? Sorry for all these noob questions.

This. I really want to play this, but i dont have a modded 3ds.

Hip hip hooray for Nintendo incompetence.

May they never get security right.

How long for the NX to get hacked to pieces?

Christ he's bad at drawing feet.

All the artists have had a weakness, I remember an image that shows it but I never saved it.

If I take that smile off, would you die?

No thanks.

It would be extremely saddening.

Is someone willing to upload their save of SMT IV (preferably with JKSV)? Got the game on my 3DS without CFW and really curious about the bonuses.

It's shit. Why did they had to turn this into Persona.

Should I play the SMT IV good? can I skip it for this?

Well, Apocalypse takes place in the middle / lategame of SMT IV. I would recommend playing it.

You can safely skip both, they're not very good games.
In fact I'd go so far as to say they're both bad.

Skip both and go play Nocturne.

I only beat Law and have a file around the start of Lucifer's Palace in Neutral route.

Play the game at least until Monochrome Forest, the rest isn't really important if you want to get to Apocalypse asap.

How the fuck is FINAL like Persona?

Dude stop spoiling Persona 5 final boss

anyone playing this? Why doesn't scout + work? I successfully scout some demon and it doesn't try to recruit the others. Also what determines turn order? It seems to change every round.

I think it's agility for the first round, then skills had cooldown modifiers that alter the turnorder afterwards.

Scout + only shows up when its successful.

Steven fucking showing up going ayy kid want some neutral

Fuck Steven. Everyone has to die.

Really enjoying this, much better than 4 was.

If this is legit, I want it ASAP.

Soul Hackers era Kaneko is best Kaneko.

Block of wood with a face drawn on it.
WHAT A DEMON

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Law and Chaos are mid-game bad endings.

The real endings are Peace or Anarchy.

I already knew about this but I can't help to get angry at that.

That's not exactly different from Law/Chaos endings in general though, they're always "not real endings, and you fight only half the bosses anyway"

fucking missed opportunity. Also does anyone find the growth type in DDS to be really pointless? 1 random stat per 2 in game hours isn't that great compared random fusion.

Sure they are not cannon but they have never being "bad" endings. Things have never being this Black and White.

In SMT 1, siding with Law leads to crushing humanity under YHVH's iron boot and enslaving them in the Thousand Year Kingdom, while siding with Chaos condemns mankind to be devoured alive by hellbeasts roaming the landscapes. Law and Chaos have pretty much always been bad ends, it's just been a question of whether Neutral is a "good" ending or a "well things are still shit but at least it's not Law or Chaos" ending

LAW is the good ending.

Goofy designs are best designs.

You don't know the half of it.

If you already have an emuNAND and CFW, why would you need to upgrade? Does this game only run on a certain CFW?

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Shin Megami Tensei is quite literally the most multicultural series in all existence, and these people still aren't fucking satisfied.

n yo moms letchu have 2 thread w/ it fam?

Letting the West have video games was a mistake.

And they never will be, because they just want something to complain about.

They can't be satisfied, user. They don't complain because they give a shit about something or believe in anything - they complain because it gets them attention. They're the kind of people who should honestly be covertly rounded up and gassed because they contribute less than NEETs to society.

And they're not even complaining about the actual goddess of tits.

Here's the funny thing about shit like this: while Wacko Jacko's bullshit was mostly confined to courts where he tried to do stupid things like ban violent games, these people put it out in the open and in writing so that they can be remembered as the racist, sexist idiots they are for all time.

Didn't she have her nipples removed in IV?

I'm pretty sure I remembered her not having nipples anymore, and if she's in Apocalypse I figured they'd have continued that.

What the fuck?

That's because she's armored in femininity, not that she herself is especially feminine.

Esoteric Kanekoism. Get on my level.

Breaking his immersion is a skill thats been in the series for since the one of the original fucking games? Sexy dance isn't even limited to female demons only and this slimey cunt is trying to word it like they all do. Even fucking Jack Frost can learn Sexy Dance when fused correctly. And a female demon can use sexy dance to charm her enemies, so fucking what? Normally when a female demon innately has sexy dance it makes sense given there origins of what they are based on, why wouldn't Lilith or Succubus have sexy dance? They are semen demons. Once again these puritans have to whine about something because it made them uncomfortable. Fuck me these people make me angry, Kaneko pays great respect to the sauce material for his artworks but nope, those sexist jap pigs just want to stick there dick in everything.

They do relise people make fun of them using that right?

But thank god Tokyo mirage sessions seems to be a one time thing with the censorship. Hopefully they don't brake down over Persona 5 and let them remain triggered over demon designs.

LEGION can learn Sexy Dance!

This really shouldn't bother me but it does.

But it's easier to fuck her this way.

Fuck her? user that is a Demon.

I fail to see the problem, user

Antony please go

She can't spread her legs

Frenzied Chomp is my new favorite move.

Honestly I want to make Alice die for my penis

status aliments are pretty powerful in general, feels like they up the chances of them landing. Makes shit like Purple Smoke and Frenzied Chomp pretty fun to play around with.

i went with main char as a full luck and dex build. crits and panic rounds for everyone and im rocking King Frosty, Thoth and Power. I feel pretty invincible but then again i just barely repelled the giant snake shesha. i really wanna kill of them, demons and angels alike. they piss me off

Mermaids haven't always had their tails begin at their hips.

The only reason they changed is because people didn't want to see vaginas in children's films or some retarded puritanical shit.

Oh. Nice Painting.

Here.

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No, user, you are the brainwashed puritan. Humans are the only known species that are uncomfortable with their sexuality.

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This is why no one takes Japanese games seriously, compare western RPG Lore like Warcraft or Elderscrolls to this garbage and you'll seewhy why non-whites can't compete.

Look at that skull on the right. He knows what you want to do to this mermaid.

Pedo detected.

Teaching your 7 year old kids about gay buttsex in school is a-okay.
t. >>>Holla Forums

I know you're just shitposting, but it reminds me of when I worked at FUCKING GAMESTOP and had to deal with people who actually think this way

Fuck off Todd

There's actually not much grinding too, as completing quests give you shit tons of XP.

Not to mention 4 makes it so that negotiations give you experience too, as does Devil Combination. There's pretty much zero grinding in the series at this point.

It more gnostism that anything, since every single god and deity is real

I think he's referencing that in 4A there's a route where you kill every god everywhere ever.

I take it there's no QR Code to download it directly?

How? Demons and the like, at least in SMT are the result of human thoughts and emotions.

Omnicide

There's a reason it's called the 皆殺し route

That is more edgy than anything.

It makes sense considering that's the route you obey Char Aznable in

Which is funny because in SMT2 YHWH's plan was a colony drop.

Gundam's influence on Japanese pop culture is pretty much inescapable really.

I like it. He really does put a lot of thought into his designs.

Failure as a human.

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no, man, gotta teach em ASAP

So, how is the game? The only Shin Megami Tensei I ever played was Nocturnal and I loved the shit out of it.

It's pretty good, ailments are fun. Go play SMTIV before you jump into this one though.

Is the soundtrack for FINAL uploaded somewhere in the net? I can't seem to find it.

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It's pretty bad.
Basically all that matters is damage and more damage because there's no defensive stats except for resists.
It's better than 4 but not by much, you're not missing anything by skipping the games.

Jesus dude I realize you want people to bump the thread but calm down

SMT IV is the worst in the franchise. Final is only slightly better. You should probably play Strange Journey next instead of IV.

Series you mean, franchise would include garbage like Persona 3 and Majin Tensei. Even then, I've heard that the Xbox one was pretty bad, and there's also an MMO, so 4 can't be THE worst main series SMT just the worst one most people can/will play

tbh SMT2 is the worst "playable" one, specifically because of the text size and slow ass movement, plus all the fucking backtracking and codes.

I will unironically argue that SMT IV is so shit that even Persona 3 is better than it. Majin Tensei… thats gonna be a harder argument so fuck you got me. IV (and by extension Final/Apocalypse) are still definitely the worst in the mainline, though.

I really need to get around to playing SMT 2 at some point but I'll probably need to move to a bigger place first since no room for a CRT

This might just come down to opinion to be fair, but while I've beaten SMT 4 twice and gotten some enjoyment out of it, I've attempted Persona 3 on five separate occasions and each time just gotten fed up with it probably before even a third of the way through. It's just a fucking awful game in every way.

SMT IV might have some problems but it isn'the nearly as infuriating in places as Persona 3 and by extension 4.

Persona 3 isn't particularly amazing, but it's not a complete shitfest of horrible RNG and broken mechanics like SMT IV.
>no really there's literally a scene where you have to infiltrate a group and your two dialog options are "I'm here to join " and "I'm here to kill your leader." The former choice gives you +6 Law (!) and the latter gives you +1 Chaos, and has zero effect on the outcome of the scene
I was going to list general problems with the game but I've derailed myself with how fucking shit the alignment system is in IV jesus christ

What, women can't dance sexily? Stop slut shaming you shitlord, gah!

Oh Em Gee, you're so opressive, now excuse me while I go dye my hair magenta and get hair extensions for my vagina hair.

It's not like it's stopped humans in the SMT verse before.

I remember this one dude in Strange Journey hitting up female demons for poontang, but he kept getting rejected. Points for trying though.

It was a sidequest series.

The biggest problem with Persona 3 and 4 is the forced routine, in my opinion.

You are thinking of the Anthony EX missions he ironically rejects the final demon that actually wanted to be with him

The routine is tolerable the first time you play, since you aren't sure when events happen, but they kill repeat playthroughs.

The lack of a defense stat actually was an interesting experiment to me. Not one I want repeated necessarily, but it did encourage a more outright offensive playstyle than previous games, and also made for tenser random battles. The App system could've been designed better, especially with letting you know what options would exist later on, but I do like the idea of balancing so that you can't get every single skill on a single playthrough, though agreed the DLC idea was bullshit. Alignment was also poorly handled for sure.

All that said, it's still not as bad as the game that seems actively designed to make you hate it, with the most generic procedurally generated dungeon, an irritating five seconds of static repeated ad nauseam for music, a set of monster designs so god awful it looks like they were trying to compete with Kingdom Hearts, uncontrollable party members in the original version who wasted MP to shorten your time in the dungeon (which also couldn't be restored until the PSP version,) music that was eargratingly annoying and I swear only gets praised because it's a break from that nails on a chalkboard-tier shit that Tartatrus uses as a BGM, retarded exhaustion mechanics that cut dungeon crawls artificially short and limited how often you could do them when combined with the stupid schedule system. The game was godawful and had absolutely zero redeeming qualities.

shit I never finished smt iv since I got a new job and kinda forgot about it

then I came back and was totally lost at what I was doing

guess it's time to finish it

the PSP version is arguably the best version of the game, you can control party members, the exhaustion system is toned the fuck down, it introduced Skill Cards (which makes your most favorite persona (like Orpheous, or Thanatos) not useless since you can slap skills on it, and if you stick with this plan, you can make a rounded persona which would take fucking AGES to make otherwise. It also opens up other possibilities for personas with stat growths that would be passed over for not having the right skills.

I got Golden and Izanagi actually has one of the highest strength growths in the game, So I slapped physical skills and support and absorb element skills on him, while having Magatsu Izanagi do the magic, buffing and debuffing, while also using the ghastly wail strat. This also made the high stat end personas really useful as I also gave them the best skills as opposed to a movepool that's kinda lacking, usually.

Most of my time before Skill Cards in Persona 3 and 4 was autistic fusing and canceling for a better skillset, so it saves time and keeps you from being fucking bored from the menu surfing you used to have to do.

Same situation here. Trying to figure out if I want to start all over or not.

polite sage for blogpost

I'm aware that the PSP version fixed a couple of the game's issues, but Thanatos is still the worst dungeon ever designed, and the fact that those were issues to begin with indicates very heavily that the mindset behind making the game was to discourage the actual game part as much as possible, and that shows very heavily in that for me the game simply isn't fun.

You meant Tarturus, but I still get what you are saying. The random generation doesn't do it any favors. Though if you want to see an even worse version of Tarturus, play Conception II.

Blah, I even said it right earlier too. This is what I get for posting at 9 in the morning.

Is the first Conception as bad as the second? I downloaded it on a whim, but haven't loaded it on my PSP yet.

I don't actually know. It isn't translated into english, and since I don't know moon I couldn't play it. So I can only speak for Conception II, it felt like a knockoff P3 with a single interesting mechanic (the star children).

Man, I don't know how you could ever get into any of these series without reading Japanese to be honest, I've seen shots of what passes for "translations" of MegaTen and Persona titles. You poor bastards.

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So basically it's Mormonism mixed with Nipponese confusion? Okay then.

I like that they had Engrish even for what is supposedly God's name, though. Pretty funny.
Would that be Heblew?

The Tetragrammaton can and has been Romanized both as YHVH and YHWH. If you're going to get anal about shit like that, they should only ever write it as one of pic related.

YEAH YOU TELL 'EM, SECULAR BRO

BETTER TO SHOW THE KIDS WHAT'S UP

STOP CRYING, TIMMY, AND LOOK AT THE PENIS!!

It's more accurately translated as YHWH because of the Hebrew Yodh He Waw He
It's in Psalm 119

People pronounce it Yahweh not Yahveh
That "Waw" pronunciation also factors into Yeshua.
pic related

TL;DR You are technically correct but it's predominantly known as YHWH for better reasons than just preference.

On an unrelated note, I just found this nifty pic. I wonder how legit it is.

Fair enough, but I'd say it's still widespread enough to not really count as just "lol Japs being bad at English," the same way people don't get autistic over "Tao" despite "Dao" being probably the better Romanization.

prude pls go

Alright, I'll concede that, mate.
And I agree with the Tao/Dao thing.

I want you to actually look at your post.
Look at it, objectively, and consider what you just did. You flailed about in every direction because you agreed with the "show kids genitalia and sexuality" assertion and it was shown to be the filth it is in just a single picture
If you really believed in what the other anons were spouting you would not find this deplorable.
But you do.
What does that tell you?

All well and good, I learned something too for my part, so I'm grateful to you for that.

I thought your pic was an extreme example of genital exposure like a sex education video with the tact and subtlety of youtube quality acting as reasoning to block out or change designs.

How many kids are sexually stunted from playing the old SMT games or restricted from looking at old paintings and statues?

It's not stunting that is the problem but acceleration. Exposing a child or young kid to pornography accelerates and corrupts their minds and begins spiritual/psychological distortion at a young age that only snowballs in later years.

That said, classical artwork (as perverted as it can get, ala the orgy paintings etc.) and statues are far from pornography unless someone makes it into pornography ie fixating on the statue of David's genitals or ass instead of taking in the whole work for the art it is.
…Maybe don't show them the orgy paintings, though.

As for SMT, I wouldn't show it to any 10yr olds I know that, and only an idiot thinks that would be a good idea. Or someone grossly ignorant of what the youth's mind can handle.
Akira level stuff like SMT is good for older youths and young adults, though preferably for adults.
DBZ is for the chirrens. Ghost in the Shell is not.

But that should be up to the discretion of the parents and how they are raising them according to the Gospel so hey, whatever.

My point was that only a degenerate or stubborn fool thinks exposing children to sexuality and genitalia is at all healthy or natural.

No, buddy, that IS the example of genital exposure. It may just "extreme" to you because it's not a 2D hairless anime body. Reality is this: keep the sex and nudity away from the kids.

You're cool, user.
May God bless you with His light, perseverance and peace in Christ Jesus

Personally, I think there's a middle ground between exposing children to pornography and the kind of hyper prudishness practiced so widely these days. Children can and will see their own genitalia, and likely as not those of their friends and family as well at some point. This isn't inherently "corruptive," it's just biology. My mantra is always that more education is better than less though I'm a teacher, and admittedly biased there and I think that parents have a responsibility to educate their children on these matters without trying to hide the subject on a basis of their own discomfort, because an ignorant child is one who is more vulnerable to predators.

The problem here I think is that people mature at vastly different rates and in different ways, and there are plenty of pre-teens capable enough of telling fiction from reality and understanding the concept of metaphors that I think could benefit from works like MegaTen or TGitS. Sure, there are many who aren't, but there's also many full-grown adults who aren't either. Age is a compromise we cling to for legal reasons in cases of things like alcoholic consumption and the like, but in the case of a parent raising a child, they have to be able to take the responsibility of knowing how mature their child is and what is and isn't appropriate at that stage.

Thanks. May the courage to protect what's important to you be ever in your heart.

Pretty much this. When I said that it was wrong to censor mermaids because "oh no a kid might see a vagina!", I wasn't saying "dude weed lmao all kids should just fug XDD", I was saying that they shouldn't be taught that genitals are a bad thing and need to be hidden. Think of all the dumb shit you had to figure out on your own that would have been much easier if it wasn't such a taboo to discuss it.

Yes, children shouldn't be bitchslapped with the full harshness of reality right from the get-go, but they shouldn't be flat out lied to, either. When a kid asks "Mommy, where do babies come from?", you don't have to explain the sex in graphic detail, but telling them they come from birds in the sky is fucking retarded. It builds a gap between you and the child because once they learn the truth they'll stop taking anything you say at face value.

I've gone on quite the tangent, but the point is that the extreme prudishness is not only a problem because it leads to kids being denied knowledge they desperately need (which is why they get fucked over later in life, say hello to dumbass teen mothers who thought they'd avoid pregnancy by doing jumping jacks, for example) but it also leads to the SJW bullshit we see today where anything vaguely sexual needs to be censored "FER DA CHILLINS!". Everybody loses.

I watched Akira and started playing SMT back when I was like 13. Read Berserk at 14.

And look at how you turned out.

Feels good to be white.

Aside from Edge Mc Edgy this game his godtier art

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This, really. Lying to your children about this is something that they'll find out about later, and at best, by the time they do they're old enough to understand WHY you lied and not think less of you for it, but it's much more likely that they will find out much sooner and just stop trusting you, and a lac of trust is damning for any human relationship. Also it probably leads to weird fetishes, I remember hearing from a girl I knew when I was 8 or so that babies are made when a boy pees inside a girl, and if I hadn't been corrected there, I might've ended up with a piss fetish eventually when I got old enough to use Ask Jeeves to find pictures of boys peeing in girls

That's not how sexual imprinting works bro.

bump so no one pays for this shit

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Fair enough, I don't claim to be a psychology major so I can't speak on that. The point that dodging "uncomfortable" subject matter with your kids and outright lying to them is probably not the best policy.

Timmy already looks at penis all the time

Looks like they fucked up two lines and they won't patch it.

DLC is out

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that looks more like adam and eve having a good time and making some forbidden fruits

Once again this is the worst type of pay to win DLC. The Demon Market place sells you level 65 demons for less than ten thousand macca, and they all need 1 exp to level up, meaning they'll whisper right away.

Oh wow. Good thing you didn't pay for it.

It's a single player game. Very few people give a fuck about buying cheats. It is just another turn in the death spiral of casualization that SMT has been in for years.

So is Flynn confirmed for the youngest SMT protagonist? He's one earth rotation old, even Aleph was only a toddler.

Kill these fuckers. Jesus fucking christ.

While I think kids should be aware of their body parts, and their functions, I also think the extreme left's idea of "We should teach kids how to be sex positive at 12" is the wrong way to go.

Though I don't think anybody disagrees with that.

Promiscuity isn't a positive trait to have when it comes to human relationships (as it boils people down to sexual competitors)

Which is what triggers most people into jerking their knees through their computer desks.

Though it seems like that's already been clarified. Teaching kids about the birds and the bees, and about bodily functions good.

Teaching kids about poz'd loads and gay poly-orgies, bad.

Also is this any better than SMT 4 was?

You mean force a playstyle where most defensive abilities are useless? Not to mention Sukukaja has literally no effect.

Also is this any better than SMT 4 was?
Lol no,it's worse balanced and contains all the same shit 4 had.
Also the only good part of the game is fucking DLC.

Yeah it's much better. The gameplay is pretty much the same but with dame toned down, and the story goes from zero to crazy fairly quickly.

Not really, all the gameplay issues with 4 are there in spades.
Story's a little better, but it's held back because the first 10 hours of the game are jacking off about REMEMBER SMT4 GUYS?

Just goes to show ya, DFC >>>>> disgusting cowtits

ive never played a smt game before, should I give this one a try?

No, go play Nocturne for the PS2 or Strange Journey for the DS.

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there is literally nothing wrong with starting with the best game.

Shittiest fusion and battle system is not best.

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Even 4 was better than SJ, it at least had press turn and skill limit wasn't a stupid 6.
SJ also introduced the cancer that is MP cost phys skills, which carried over to 4 and fucked over low MP phys demons.

The fusion is mostly the same as nocturne except for the inclusion of sources which are a much better solution than allowing you to pick skills like IV. Also smirk makes IV's battle system the worst.

SJ isn't bad but the dungeon crawling will pound you in the puss if you aren't ready for it. I think Nocturne is the best well rounded starting game since it gives you a little taste of everything without watering the experience down in any way.

Grus was probably worse but I couldn't fucking believe how ridiculous Eridanus got when I first did it

Smirking is the worst system in any SMT game.
That single handedly removes your arguement

Picking skills is awesome and anyone who says anything against it is the devil.

I agree. SJ is a little bit too hardcore to start with. Nocturne is the best starting game.

The 6 skill limit makes fusion completely limited in SJ, and it also makes demons with bad default skills basically waste those slots, especially since there's no skills gained by level.

Smirk is bad but you can control it, enemies under ailments cannot smirk and the only situation where it's bullshit is with guest party members, and IIRC that was fixed in FINAL.

hahaha no it was made worse.
Bosses can force themselves to smirk and then attack the same turn.
preemptive attacks can give smirk now, so hordes can just smirk randomly.

It's so much worse

IV's lack of any sort of defense stat was handled poorly too.

Skills that force Smirk are fine since it's not RNG, preemptive strike causing smirk would be fine if it wasn't for the horde RNG i guess.
SMT IV's combat as a whole is still better than SJ's, exploiting weakness for press turn is way superior to the shitty aligment co op attacks that you have to limit your demon choices in order to make use of.

Devs probably wanted to make fights more fast paced and risky, seeing that protag losing is not a game over in IV.
Didn't work too well, i blame the stupid HP:MP ratio classes for demons it had, which made heavy magic hitters impossible to use in some fights.

smirk now triggers the IK spells.
4 in combination with >lol no defense
makes it just plain unfun to play and I'm only suffering through it because I yarhar'd

Also it has horrible DLC

oh it's smirk is still RNG though. If they crit on an attack >SMIRK. Now it's less "restart until you get a non shit partner"

TMS was all Nintendo. Nintendo publishing, therefore pulling the strings. They can pass off the blame all the they want, but Atlus' other localized titles speak differently.

Mermaid is pretty.

I really like this game so far. Feels way better than IV in many ways. Gets you right in the fray from the get go.

It kinda feels like I'm playing SMT 3 again. Though it's probably because I'm focusing on STR/AGI and going for mostly physical moves and buffs/debuffs.

This. I was a smug bastard until The King showed me I was nothing but a faggot. I had to restart the game and pool my stats into magic because punching shit in 4 doesn't seem to work like in Nocturne.

I'm getting by by going for high crit rate/low hit rate attacks like Lunge and Critical Wave plus stats in STR/AGI/LUCK. If the game is going to abuse Smirk, then I am too.

Also having the skill Magaon (removes Smirk) can help sometimes. I think Angel gets it.

Thanks for the tips. I just fused her.

Even with 50 agility I've never missed outside of the first hour of the game.
then again I may have gone too hard with 400 dex, but whatever, game suffers from the same "first part is the hardest and then the game gets pathetically easy"

Yeah, you don't need to focus on agility, 2 in your main stat (str or dex or mag), 1 in agi for hit/evade, and 2 in luck for Smirk chance.

Since I'm using low hit-rate moves a tiny focus on agi is nice.

It's also worth noting that if your physical or gun attacks don't work, you can use items. I feel like the game dumps tons of agi/bufu/zan/zio etc stones for that very purpose. Like if an enemy uses tetrakarn, you can just use the appropriate stone to exploit their weakness.

Also I just figured out today that you can destroy those starfish-shaped things you see on walls with Navarre, and also get unique items (like armor upgrades), treasure and gems out of them. I feel so stupid. I remember thinking that they looked like those walls, but never thought to fling Navarre over to it.

Oh don't worry, that becomes a complete nonissue once you get smilecharge.
Luck's not too important because of that.
In addition higher level abilities have intrinsic pierce

Hmm, does King Frost get Smile Charge? I should fuse him again. I probably won't put it on the MC's list of skills though.

It's just that there is a kind of risk/reward to using a high-crit/low-hit move. You do damage, as well as having a high chance to crit (stacked with high luck), and if you do crit, you gain a half-turn as well as a high chance to smirk. If you miss, you give up two turns. But with a decent agility you won't be missing a lot. Smilecharge is like a safe way to get Smirk.. I think I'll get it and give it to some demon party members, though.

I think he does but it's his last skill
oh right I forgot, all this is moot on the DLC hardest difficulty which makes you much more likely to miss attacks, take 47% increased damage, deal 40% less, a lower crit chance, lower smirk chance off crits, and a lot of other nonsense like if the MC dies it's game over.

Speaking of which, I'm almost certain it's impossible to get the 3000 app points for the annihilation add-on without the DLC

Phys is actually the optimal late game build.

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Is the worst of Strange Journey really worse than Nocturne's worst? Honest question, I enjoyed Strange Journey but I never replayed it. I went Neutral, is Gore really as bad as people say? Watching videos doesn't really represent the difficulty too well for RPGs.

Also I thought the Digital Devil Saga duology was best for starters. and best overall :^)

I thought you unlocked hardest difficulty by beating the game once. Unless you're not discussing SMTIV.

That's how it was before, though. It's not nonsense, it's just not what the game was made for.

I personally thought DDS was more punishing than Nocturne. But it's been years since I last played either.

Demifiend is no doubt worse than anything in Nocturne, but besides him I feel that DDS goes much easier on you.

I want to do lewd things to doggo

Also I think I just proposed to a pixie and she said yes.

congrats user, enjoy your new waifu!

I'm not gonna fuse her now.

Is it recommended to beat SMTIV before tackling this new game?

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Is there a list of evolutions for IVF yet? I know in IV there were a ton.

If you care about story or ever intend to play SMT 4 for any reason, yes. Otherwise, nah.

gamers-high.com/megami4-final/data/hilvup.html

First time meeting Hallelujah in Apocalypse and I already hate him.

I think it is the same but Cherub evolves in to a super level 71 angel.

Hallelugah best boy pussy and you stfu.

user it's time to stop posting.

I've been talking about Final/Apoc this entire time.
the hardest difficulty is DLC

Gore was a fucking fun battle, it's the reason I don't really want to do Neutral but Jimenez being a hypocritical fuck made me drop the game. I should pick it back up.

DDS2 is overall my favorite megaten. Three press turns means you exploit the game hard, and that fucking area in the sun where you can't transform had me relearn the game all over again.

Jimenez is the best Chaos bro.

He's hypocritical as fuck, but he really did have your back in the end.

Oh yeah does anyone have the patch for SMT1 that maps the minimap to a single button? It's way more convient that clicking two menus deep every time.

man now I have to get to playing SMT4 again to play this
I feel so bored by it

romhacking.net/translations/2616/
dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43107309/smt1auto.zip

I'm dying to know what we're getting for the 30th anniversary.

We're not getting anything, just Persona 5 for the P3 faggots.

Hopefully a port of either the gba or PS1 of SMT 1&2 along with If.

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Nigga if I wanted to fuck a human hole I'd just fuck a human. What's even the point of fucking a demon if 80% of it is still just human?

MegaTen never neglects its decennials. My only worry is that they may have run out of ideas by now.

In any case, I doubt anything they do will live up to Imagine. Cave set the bar too high for Atlus.

so how good are mido's recommended fusions, should i listen to him or do fusions myself?

Horrible, his recommendations are trash generally.
not the demons themselves, but the skills.

What

I'm guessing you never played Imagine. That game let you get mind blowingly autistic with your demons. I fused a yakshini that ended up my best demon due to me working on her for six years. There was just that much to do with your demons in that game between the reunion system, mitama fusion, mitama bonuses, soul point skills, prestige skills, epitaph parts, ect. She was still not quite done when the servers finally went offline 5 months ago to the day.

Mido's recommendations for demons are great, but the skills aren't always what you want.

Hope you enjoy the game. It's tough at first but evens out later on. Some bosses can be assholes though.

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Apparently it's a typo. In the Request it says 50, 000 Macca, but when you check the progress, it says out of 5000.

And it completes when you get 5000 macca.

This localization is fucked. Why is Atlus letting these people fuck up so much.

Because the West is an afterthought at best. The only solution is to not buy localizations.

I've been learning Japanese and I'm annoyed at the lack of standards in localization recently. I know localization has always been shit but these people just don't fucking care anymore.

Especially now that they treat Mudo/Hama as regular damaging elements, which means you should be throwing them at bosses to check if they are weak, rather than assuming they'll null.

The more you learn, the more it will drive you mad. There's a reason I don't play games in anything but their original language anymore.

Yeah, it seems that way. I'm still glad it's only typos and some dialogue, and not censorship, but still. Localizers seem to be slacking a lot.

Let's not talk about Nintendo, too.

I think XSeed does a decent job with their games, and what I've seen of Yakuza 5, Sony did a decent job so maybe Yakuza 0 will be good.

Not just that. Some bosses abuse the shit out of smirk. And since they can act more than once, they have a penchant for Smilecharge > Powered up smirk move. Or Critical Eye > Move that gets a guaranteed crit and therefore smirk > Move that's powered up by smirk.

Mitra-Buddha is the worst for smirk abusing, Crit Eye into Berserker God or Mortal Jihad then followed a powered up almighty spell that crits. Doesn't help he gets a free luster candy when hit with weakness.

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I know it may sound absurd, especially for a game with microtransactions out the ass. But the Japanese version of Imagine had a lot of love and care put into it. The gameplay depth was unprecedented for the franchise, putting even most WRPGs to shame. The art style and lore were pretty much on point, so the game was either supervised by Kaneko or by someone who knew him quite well. The music was also excellent and clearly Masuko-inspired (though Masuko himself was probably not involved). Also, upskirts everywhere.

Speaking of Masuko, Wikipedia tells me he worked on Caligula. Blows my mind. Why doesn't anyone talk about that?

Too true. The language barrier still kicks my ass, but the authentic experience is worth it.

Endgame the game is just an HP check because so many bosses have pierce moves.

I really should play SJ again sometime, why was Jimenez hypocritical?

so does smirk do anything other than make your next hit an auto-crit and boost certain skills like hama?

It adds extra effects to some skills.

I think magic can only crit with smirk. Not sure?

It also makes all your hits connect without fail. Attacks that hit multiple enemies land without fail (this is amazing for hordes).

When you have the smirk status, you cannot be hit by a crit, and your weakness can't be exploited.

Yes, magic can only crit under smirk. Without it magic can only get the weakness bonus.

Because he's too sexy.

First time SMT player here.
Nocturne is a mix of comfy and empowering so far. Can't wait to get kicked into the dirt
Pixie a cutie

Imagine was pretty cool from what I remember of it. Shame we'll never get another full 3d SMT in the cyberpunk/occult style of the original series with Kaneko's art.

If they're going to relegate the main series to low budget affairs, the least they could do is use a stylish retro aesthetic.

I've never played an SMT game. Where do I begin? What memes are critical that I know?

Release order

I don't mean to be rude, but is that an actual answer or are you trying to fuck with me?

Three starting points I'd recommend considering.

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quick b4 mods take it down lul

Alright, thanks man.

I think I only got up to Medusa in IV. Can I jump right into this game?
Also, what's the gameplay like compared to IV? any bullshit like
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exactly the same pretty much.
So… if you didn't like 4 you won't like this.

I really don't get what the smirk mechanic is supposed to accomplish. Critical hits and targeting weaknesses are already rewarded by the press-turn system. Smirking just means you'll either steam roll the enemy or get totally destroyed, especially early in the game. What's even worse is your buddies can throw out a dumb attack or miss and you'll be left to take the punishment for a mistake you didn't make.
Status effects like sick or poison prevent smirking

It's all down hill from Minotaur in IV. Smirk is less bullshit in IVF and your buddies are much less retarded too. Both games are probably the weakest mainline entries still though.

Smirking is less bullshit in Apocalypse. You don't evade when you smirk, you still take damage/can still be hit by status effects (you just can't be crit and your weakness can't be exploited).

Status effects also cancel Smirk. And there are skills to remove (Magaon) or gain (Smilecharge) smirk. It can still be abused especially by bosses, but overall it's easier to handle.

Your buddies can cause your enemies to smirk? I thought they fixed that. I remember being it infuriating in 4 when you couldn't choose your party member.

I'd say it's worse because endgame just becomes an HP check because of smirk. One boss in particular likes to Smile charge, Trisagydyne, Smile Charge, Trisagydyne, repeat until it's out of turns.
The problem is because they added effects during smirk, like say pierce, if an enemy exploits that the boss just becomes an HP check as you can't do anything about it.

Is it worth taking skills like Berseker God (heavy phys damage, one enemy) or Hades Blast (heavy phys damage, all enemies) if you have skills like Mortal Jihad (heavy phys, low hit/high crit, one enemy) and Titanomachia (heavy phys, low hit/high crit, all enemies)?

Damn, well I haven't gotten that far yet, so I'll probably experience it later. Thanks for the heads up.

Depends on how much you decide RNG likes you.
If you're not playing on DLC locked hardest and have decent enough luck/agility there is no reason not to get the high crit ones.
Problem is demons usually don't have enough, and end up missing too often for comfort.

Well I have Mortal Jihad and Titanomachia already, I was wondering if it's worth taking things like Berserker God and Hades Blast alongside them.

Like, do they hit slightly harder? If so, I could just Mortal Jihad for Crit/Smirk and then use Berserker God or Hades Blast.

Well, we may not exactly get cyberpunk, but it's good to know Kaneko's influence is still going strong. From what I've seen in Persona 5, the new-gen models of his art are the most accurate ones yet (thanks to improved technology).
Shouldn't be long before we start seeing these new models in mainline games as well.

Apparently Navarre doesn't know he's dead until 3/4 way through the game