Tell me Holla Forums, do you ever look at casuals and envy them?

Sounds like you have depression, get some therapy. Also, stop playing video games all day.

nah fam

I never claimed to be the paragon of humanity, just that I didn't want to be like the majority of mindless consumers

Ain't you the little special snowflake?
Faggot.

Sure bro, all these sheeple and drones just need to wake up, #420blazeit #staywoke
smh at all these normalfags XD

There's no need to be upset

Woah pal. Stop right there. Tell me what games you have been playing. This is a taste audit.

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Suffer not the casual to live.

Why? you've had your mind blown by better games, games that are historically significant, games that only few have experienced in the same way as you, games that will always be remembered, would you really trade your personal experiences in those expertly crafted and often experimental games for the canned experiences game devs shove down our throat nowadays?

I wasn't arguing, but you seem particularly angry about this. Is it because you really want to be ignorant like OP's friends but you can't since you already have extensive gaming knowledge? Try doing drugs or not playing vidya for a long time then

>tfw you've been in Holla Forums long enough to tell who is a newfag by the reaction images they use

Shut up, faggot.

Enlighten us, oh benevolent oldfag!

Drugs don't take the gaming knowledge away, user. Nothing can take that from you.

Do share.

The true heroes make compelling posts with no images.

No, I just hate /r9k/ faggots like you who try to virtue signal how different you are from normalfags.

I agree.

Like envying a crying baby that shit it's diaper.
No, no I don't.

Games should be made for more than what is out there. Not for babbys.

Aside from Witcher III (which has become a drag, not sure if I'll ever finish it)
Terraria
Giving Tree of Savior the ocasional spin
Finished Radiant Historia a few weeks ago
Replaying all the Ace Attorney games at the moment
Gonna start Star Ocean 2 on my PSP after I'm done with AA

Its simple, you got to learn to take off the critical hat when you're not ready to engage in criticism.
Keeping that hat on is the mistake many people make.
If you want an extreme version of this, just look at your average tumblrite SJW. Otherwise would be normal people but they get suckered into these liberal arts "studies" classes and are taught to look through certain things in life with a certain critical filter. This is all well and fine, there is nothing wrong with trying to deconstruct something but the malfunction happens when that is never turned off. So jokes and entertainment and everything people do becomes viewed through that lens and suddenly everything is racism and sexism and oppression.

Another example is of the teenager fedora wearing "euphoric" atheist who tells strangers off for telling them "bless you" when they sneeze.

In short, you got to learn to stop being the hammer, user, otherwise everything is going to look like nails to you.
I'm not saying you should just swallow it and take it when something is just glaringly horrible but you must recognize that everything has its flaws. There is no perfect game. You have to recognize when something is really bad and when you're just simply nitpicking shit.

In other words, you may need to learn how to have fun again. Its not just a buzzword you know.

Casualfags don't even really enjoy the games they play though. It's a status symbol to them, so they have something to talk about to their lolsonerdyXD!! hotties at the bar and stupid dudebros who have to gobble up whatever the TV tells them to buy for their sick ass Xbox Ones!

Even with my grey level of enjoyment from vidya, I realize that I actually enjoy the videogames more than they do.

I'm not like you, I don't care what others think about me on an anonymous imageboard. Jesus. I just wanted to discuss OP and when you engaged me I answered

I wish I could forget the pain of going through that alien ship boss in metal slug 3

elaborate

Thank you, Macho Man, I read that in your voice and I feel inspired now.

Top-tier post

Do tell.

You cared enough to reply and project your feelings onto me with

/thread

Oh shit, thanks user.
Straight up 10/10 post

Very nice post user. Personal opinion that most games post 2007 are shit but non the less, 10/10 post.

I can sometimes sort of tell, although I have this inherent suspicion that anyone who posts shit from before my time is faking.

I mean, sure. But then, haven't most games always been shit? I think the biggest difference is that shit games get hyped up and advertized into commercial success these days…

Ok

Well we play video games to talk about them too. I don't deny that you probably enjoy it more though

Thank you user, that inspired me to try more things. 5 star post.

This is completely false and I wish Holla Forums would stop perpetuating this lie.
This makes sense only for those who are trying to earn a dollar off of this image. This would be your "professional" cosplayers and other "media" types.

Yes, your average casual gamer is going to gravitate towards the AAA stuff but are they going to finish it? likely not unless its short enough.
Are casual gamers likely to dig up more obscure titles? Nope.
Are they likely to go look for old retro games? Not really.
They're essentially slaves to big name things because that's what they hear about and so that's what they play.
But you must understand that they would not spend the money and the time on video games simply for the "image" of being some nerdy gamer alone.

I actually hold that a casual can be someone who simply only plays big name titles or more so may only play a certain few genres.
So someone can spend 5 hours a day playing shooters but if that's all their willing to play their rather casual in my eyes. They may be GREAT at shooters and may have played a wide variety of shooters but if they're not willing to try all sorts of different games then they're pretty much just a casual player in my eyes. That's fine but its like someone saying they're a wine enthusiast but in reality all they ever drink is the same shit from the same brand and never once thought about trying others.

Speak for yourself. Beyond technical support I see no reason to discuss my experience.

Nah. For example. As a kid, I just did not like the monster rancher series, aka 2. Not much happens and fights were nit and miss. Go back while I'm in my late 30's and I can now finally appreciate the complexity of the game. Tis why I say most games post 2007 are shit.

Holy shit this guy likes peanut butter and chocolate

My dad gave me the first Rainbow Six game for PC when I was six years old.
I really need to try and play that now that I can actually understand it.

How did you come to that conclusion?
your post reads like a non sequitur.

No. I live by the motto "If the game has won any award other than 'most under-rated' or 'most obscure' then it's garbage."

It hasn't failed me yet.

I give past games a try that I did not like, they were actually fun because my views were limited at the time. I play recent games, regardless of hype, and they tend to be shit compared to past games that did something similar but better.

I meant to say we play video games and talk about them too, seeing as we are on a forum about video games. It's true, I stopped talking about video games to acquaintances because I have to hide my power level and almost no one shares my tastes

More people would talk openly about the games they play because they have fun with them if they weren't shouted down by >Holla Forums is one person.

And then even if that were to happen the cynicists would simply call the exchange a circlejerk and then claim it is board culture to bully. No bully

Nice try.

This goes along with another theory of mine on the state of gaming. Advertisement is huge and plays a huge part in all the disappointment.
See, the magic of advertising is that you can make dog shit look like a cleverly sculpted diamond.
The biggest problem with game advertisement (and likely movies now too) is that in the AAA market, everything is advertised as a 5/5 game of the year type of game. The truth is, however, that the games more often than not are usually 3/5 type of games.

Now, there is nothing wrong with average. Not every single piece of entertainment needs to blow your mind and stick with you forever. Not everything needs to be played over and over again. A lot of times it just needs to be competently made and entertaining in the moment.
The problem, however, is that you are promised these pillars of greatness when in reality its just an average product.
Like getting a car in the wrong color. Its not completely shitty but its not PERFECT for you.

Now that's not to say that there aren't some complete stinkers that are advertised (and reviewed, make no mistake most review outlets in the mainstream are just advertisement for hire) as some golden pillar of freshness but I think more often than not you're getting that average experience.
The casual gamer is just fine with that.
The seasoned enthusiast can see the advertisement lies as they play the game and THAT is what leads to the disappointment and dissatisfaction.

But then again, all of what I said may be giberish. I still haven't really grown out of the phase of buying a game because of what the box art and word of mouth from friends would tell me.
I don't really follow game advertisements or development very closely.
I didn't know "No Man's Sky" was a thing until it came out. I guess my attitude saved me because I wasn't buying into the hype and spending a couple of days listening to what people were saying, after the newness of it all wore off, really pushed me away from that purchase.

Holla Forums isn't that bad when it comes to open discussion, I mean there's always the overwatch containment thread that I go to for the porn and there isn't anything inherently wrong with casual games - I just don't think those kinds of games should be held up to any sort of gold standard

You're thought-out and concise explanations of alternative methods of enjoyment of video-games than scratching the bottom of the barrel for decrepit, albeit good, video games, is very welcome.

What has Holla Forums ever done to deserve people like you?

If i even minded casuals i wouldnt come here. 99% of you are filthy casuals.

To be fair, it's likely because maybe they watch E3, maybe they watch a few commercials, but that's it. They buy the game, they don't get into hype culture or see any prerelease screenshots or anything unless they happen over it. They might read a review from IGN or GameInformer, or see it and take a modicum of interest in it enough to buy it. How many casuals are fucking living and breathing game news? They're not, or they wouldn't be casuals

When I stopped watching a bunch of game footage and bullshit, I found that I enjoyed games a lot more than I did before. No lengthy pre-release discussions, no direct feed of bullshit hype trailers made with CGI and ~real game footage~ done with top-tier equipment I don't have and can't afford. I don't usually look up reviews before I buy or pirate a game, I don't look for previews. For one, I can't give a shit less about any of that, and I found it was ruining games for me. I was being overly spoiled on games before they were even playable, so I decided to stop doing that shit. I started blind-buying/-pirating instead.

Granted, I never bother buying AAA bullshit, so I don't get burned a lot with this practise, but my point is, is blind-pirating/-buying games means even if a game is technically average, I enjoy it a lot more. Just stick to AA games and you'll probably be fine. You know you're not getting a paradigm of quality, but you're probably going to have a fun time. And don't buy full price from 99% of devs because that is dumb nigger shit, buying from devs you can't guarantee will give you a quality purchase. If you're going to buy, wait for its price to drop into the dirt from a sale or something, unless you pirated and tested it that way. Then pay whatever you feel it's worth.

It helps to be a seasoned enthusiast, though, because you can instantly spot glaring bullshit just by looking at the cover of a game, and you already know developers and publishers that are shit-tier so you can avoid them like the plague.

Nice post though, user.

All industries have the capacity to improve greatly if consumers acted responsibly and thought this way. That's why it will never happen

I feel sorry for them.

That's cool. I was thinking more along the lines of the shovelware past and present, like the space invader clones or pac man on the 2600, or shit licensed games on the PS2. The numerical majority of games released has always, and will always, be shit.

My dad was a casual in that he didn't play many games, but the few games he played were pretty hardcore–he was huge on blitzkrieg and fleet command back in the day, and damn near 100% pikmin 1 and 2 when I was a kid. Sounds a little like what you're describing.

I work with a bunch of casual faggots and I don't have envy for them at all.

Nah, they can keep it.

This is a little unrelated, but this really applies to a lot of entertainment in general. Personally, I've always found that the most memorable things I watch or play are ones that I just engage in without any expectations. Like going to a library and just picking out the first thing that has an interesting title or cover, the same things apply to games as well. Most of the things I've looked forward to in my lifetime don't turn out to be near as good as some random shit I play.
Except Deus Ex, that lived up to the hype once I got halfway through New York.

This is also a great point. So much of what I see that people get riled up over here are non issues to casuals because they simply don't give a fuck.
R.Mika's ass slap was taken out? Who the fuck cares?
You can't dress some girl in an RPG in a bikini? Some words were changed? who cares how does the game play.
That is their attitude. Now of course it is causing damage because the game industry is taking these sales as if that's the way the market should go but in reality they're not even aware that something was changed. You are a vocal minority fighting a battle against another vocal minority and the problem is that the game companies will err on the side of the more conservative voice. Because they have millions and billions of dollars at stake.

For the record, I long since stopped bothering with E3. It is nothing but a giant fucking commercial. Anything said or shown at E3 is 90% a pre-packaged over-processed lie.

You flatter me too much.
I'm nothing special, I have just been playing games for about 25 years now (I'll be 30 in a few short months).
I don't have any nostalgia goggles about it all and I try to stay real about what games are and more importantly what my tastes are.

One thing I think is important that I probably should have said earlier is that sometimes you just have to take a step back and re-evaluate where your tastes have evolved and changed.
I'm not talking about the feeling at the moment like you just finished an RPG so you may want something more action oriented.
I mean in a more overall sense.

Case in point, in my highschool and early college days I used to love playing long and story heavy games. 60 hours for an RPG and japanese RPGs were just A-OK with me.
When I left college and got a job that took up most of my time I found that I couldn't really hack that anymore. I was starting to get impatient and find flaws and get really disappointed in the games I was playing. However, those small little indie roguelikes and retro games were able to grab me. Games centered around a handheld design also did.
So I took a step back and did a real critical evaluation. I simply did not have the time for those long form games and on some level I was rejecting them because I may spend a couple days not playing this long RPG and now i've already forgotten what it was I was doing, where I needed to go, what the point of the plot was, etc etc.

Even now, unless I am COMPLETELY wrapped up in the story I can't stand dialogue scenes that last more than a minute or two.
My biggest gripe with RE6 was that it just kept ripping the control out of my hands to play some cutscene when I wanted to PLAY the game.
Things like DMC became some of my new favorite games when in the past they were more of just a passing sort of luke-warm interest to me.

That's life, not just one hobby.

The older & wiser you become the more your sense of innocence & wonder fades thus you aren't going to enjoy things the same as before. Knowledge does this more than age which is why they say "ignorance is bliss".

That's all well and fine. I never said there was anything wrong with that but just that my own definitions of a more invested gaming enthusiast vs a casual player of games.
Just like a difference between a casual reader vs a more hardcore reader.
Its all about that library, essentially.
I was mistaken for an expert in thai food by a few friends but it was really a case of me just really liking one thai dish. Pad-thai. I like it so much that whenever it is available on the menu I tend to go for it. I could care less about all the other stuff there. Fish jaw? What the fuck is that?
I'm not a connoisseur of thai food, i'm a casual with my one go-to dish.

I think this is because hype makes us build things in our mind. We are given tastes of what something could be, a frame work, and then our imagination kind of goes wild from there.
This is pretty much the important part of hype-based advertisement and the reason why No Man's Sky sold so well and why it was such a huge let down.
Moleyneux games and Bethesda games generally have the same issue. Lots of hype being generated but the reality is more luke warm.
In the case of Moleyneux it was generally something thrown out there that would end up as a tiny part of some inconsequential implementation.
Another example is Mass Effect. We build this idea in our heads that these decisions we make in this game actually matter when in reality (and the whole let down) is that they ultimately don't. They're superficial at best.
Basically you build an expectation that almost nothing can ever live up to or surpass.

You know, if there is actually one thing I wax nostalgic for its the old rental store. For me it was blockbuster. Being able to pick a game, nearly at random or simply by the box art catching my eye and having the weekend to play through it is really what helped broaden my horizons.
I would have never really gotten into city simulators if I wasn't able to grab Sim Ant and then Sim City 2000 (for SNES) off the shelf for $4.00 to experiment with over the weekend.
You may say I could just pirate games but that feels like far too much of a commitment.
I guess what I mean is that there is definitely a difference between hunting something and just browsing (or I guess in this case grazing).
Shit, I'll still go to a mall, or better yet a gamestop and just look around and see what's on the shelf.
I actually filled out a pretty buff PS3 library that way, mostly off of used titles.
Back in the PS2 era (highschool and early college) I would go to gamestop and see what I could get for 20 bucks. This often ended up in pretty good stuff.
Pretty much every Onimusha game, Red Ninja, Zone of the enders and Zone of the enders 2.

No.

I get a massive thrill from this very thing. I've amassed quite the collection by experimenting and buying up cheap shit like this. If I have a spare $15, I just pop into a game store or pawn shop and browse. If something catches my eye, I'll probably just get it. $15 isn't shit. If it's $10, even better.

I usually stay a generation behind the times as a result, but who fucking cares? It's not like people don't discuss old games here anyway. Playing a game and getting the experience from it years after it came out, you're still getting the same experience unless you've been spoiled on the game all to shit but then, why are you jumping into discussions about games you didn't play anyway?

If anything, this is one of those things consoles have going for them still, but that'll be dead soon too.

There's a reason the phrase "Ignorance is bliss" exists. There's also a reason why the phrase "nostalgia goggles" exist

They are not mindless, an0n. They lack experience/knowledge to appreciate finer mechanics.
This, and a Holla Forums is generally too far up it's own ass to appreciate anything new

Nah, faggot. The only thing you're seeing is people who don't want to use the images you approve off.
"B-but, you must conform an0n!"
Eat dick.

user if he's going to get a good pc, teach him. Don't let him get cucked by fucks like alienware, msi, etc.

This guy gets it

Man, I can't tell you how many games I got into just because I rented them from the local library when I was a kid. So many I can't even remember them all. Zeus: Master of Olympus, Simsafari, Age of Empires, Civilization 2, all sorts of barely educational games that really influenced my tastes in entertainment. I played more strategy games as a kid than I do now, and that's because, frankly, I just don't pay attention to what's out there anymore. That's a real shame, and I should remedy that soon.

This site hasn't even existed for three years you tryhard oldfag.
You wouldn't even recognize anything from 2013.

Mostly this too.
Although it doesn't always have to work against you.
Because of my knowledge of film I can actually appreciate a bad movie for its flaws. I can laugh at the failures.
dumb story plotlines, bad dialogue, continuity errors, bad acting, horrible filming technique, etc etc.

With games that is a bit more difficult but that is now just a matter of using that experience and knowledge to not get FOOLED by the hype.
I know that my decisions are only going to matter in a superficial way.
I know that sandbox game missions are usually going to boil down to "go here and kill X"
I know that "climb that mountain" probably means getting up to a certain point and no further.
I know that 4/5 times the "BEST STORY EVER" for video games is usually on par with a decently written pop-book for teenagers.
I know the AI isn't going to be that smart and DOUBLY so for COMPANION AI (oh boy, Last of Us).
I know these things (and much more) because I've experienced them time and time again across so many different genres and niches through so many different eras of the game industry. I have, through experience, a sort of instinct about what the limitation of these games are really going to be. I suspect that most everyone on Holla Forums has it too.

So that knowledge doesn't really spoil me except maybe to the advertisers who are now never going to be able to really buy me off.

And that is one thing to really understand about the gaming industry. You're not really a target for the mainstream of games when you're at this level of knowledge and experience. Now we used to have all sorts of niche games in the ye-olden days and I hope as the tools to make games become easier to use and cheaper that we can get back to a healthy helping of game titles in all genres. Yes, I still have hope for the indie scene and I think that the era of "indie game developer social media super star" is coming to a close and the ones REALLY trying to make games will bubble up to the top.

The bigger problem is that modern consoles really don't have a good lifespan to them. Moving parts and other shit that will fail.
Also, on to the point of losing the ability to browse things. As much as everyone hates it around here, things like Steam still sort of allow for that browsing to occur.
I will admit, however, that it does seem way more limited and involved than simply visually scanning a bunch of boxes on a shelf.

Although honestly I have such a backlog built up that I'm struggling to push through it now.

It's a Redpill

You are and forever will be a newfag

I don't hate Steam that much, I don't really care. But it's not the same as going out and finding something nice in the wild, I guess. Same thing as ordering a book through Amazon versus going to a book store and browsing shelves.

Also, the main problem with browsing Steam is that the Greenlight process means all kinds of shit gets through that would never make it to store shelves. And I don't mean that game consoles don't have shovelware or anything, I'm not fucking retarded, but there's a level of entry there. You can't get a community to gain entrance to a store shelf, you can't just good will your way into a console license. It takes some effort that Steam Greenlight just doesn't have. At least, it takes some money… Steam's Greenlight takes $100. You can make that in no time. The licensing fees on the consoles tend to be much, much higher than that. So, like Google Play Store, you have to scroll through a lot of shit to find things in the rough that are worth even half a shit.

I'm a relative newfag and even I could tell a year ago

saved

I just avoid greenlight and early access all together unless its something stupidly cheap that I might want to check out for laughs.

Cool.

My point was that Greenlight allows for so much shit to get onto Steam, that going through all of it to simply browse is boring and tedious as fuck.

Thanks Eric, but I know you got this one from your father's notes.

Ah yeah….I think you may be able to filter that stuff out though.
still, I do understand the frustration.
Not only because of the glut but there is a problem that arises when someone is spoiled for choice.
You have so many different things you could choose you kind of get overwhelmed and don't want to really choose anything or even really go through the effort to even try.

I get that way a whole lot with looking for something to watch on netflix. So much so that when I am feeling like watching some movies i'll stream them. I'll try to bait in /k/ and/or Holla Forums with something well liked and with the people that show up they'll hopefully suggest something new that I've never seen for the next couple of films.
Its worked out pretty well for the most part.

When I would stream games to Holla Forums that helped me discover the likes of God Hand and other gems I probably never would have even bothered with because of the same effect.

Is that a reference to something?

Yeah, maybe that is the overall problem. When you go to a brick and mortar store, you take whatever catches your eye there. When you go browse Amazon or Steam or whatever else, you have a search bar and you can buy literally anything. You have to streamline it down somehow, or you'll be overwhelmed by choice. "I could buy this, or I could buy these, or I could buy that or those or this bundle" and they're all the same cost. Eventually, like having free time and being indecisive what you'll do with your time, you end up buying nothing (or, in the advent of free time, you fucking browse sites instead of doing anything you want to do)

Nope. I'll be honest I doubt casuals even enjoy 70% of the games they claim to be so good.

Wisdom

No wiser man ever walked the earth, you opened my eyes user

Fuck no. I've mostly been playing through my PS1/PS2/N64 games lately. I'll probably be getting an NES soon too.

Just play good games, pleb.

I envy them like I envy the way a dog can enjoy rolling around in garbage and eating dirt.

Nothing beats knowing all these flaws in games, and then finding one that actually has very few and manages to surpass your expectations. You appreciate all the nuances and attention to detail all the more. For example, in Planescape Torment, even a complete faggot with a generic name like "Smouldering Corpse bar patron" has an unique dialogue tree packed with lore, backstory of the NPC, and a shitload of dialogue options. I don't think I've ever seen a game go this far with writing, and it makes everything all the more enjoyable

No good porn there currently. Which file locker allows sharing videogame porn anonymously? I have a 28 MB big webm of D.Va dancing and want to post a link.

Oh, it's here:
pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph574c8911b1e6f

Funnily enough I loved Witcher III, despite its shortcomings.

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No and neither do I pity them. Death is a mercy to them.

I understand the sentiment, but no. You should strive to be better and smarter, not wish you were dumb and ignorant just so you could ignore the problems of this life. If you still had an ounce of dignity you wouldn't think that way

I don't envy ignorance.

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You're so cool

Newfags as dumb as ever.