Doom Thread

what's wrong with Chocolate Doom/Crispy Doom/Doom Retro?

A lack of variety can make you hate anything. You just need to try something different.

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But why

ishiggydiggydoodoo

Tried some moonman doom, had a sensible chuckle.

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One of those "see it for myself things". It's pirateable and I figured I might as well. I mean, it was kind of neat for about 5 minutes before I had to roll a wisdom saving roll to not fall asleep.

speaking of seeing things for yourself that reminds me of something, I pirated Duke Nukem Forever the other day just to spite Randy Burchford and to finally see for myself just how far the second most iconic classic FPS franchise has fallen, and one thing that stood out to me (before I uninstalled it in utter disgust) was the one-button executions that can be performed when an enemy is near death and frozen in a stationary stun-lock. I kept trying to remember where I'd seen that gameplay mechanic recently and then it hit me, fucking nudoom.

Nudoom literally draws more gameplaywise from Duke Nukem Forever, one of the worst reviewed AAA releases of the last 5 years, than its own namesake.

NuDoom is the best Doom

Filthy contrarian peasants

I like the Renegade. Instant weapon switching and the shotgun boost are great.

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Eh?

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Doom 2 > Doom > DOOM >>>>>>>> Doom 3

This is not controversial

Does it contain the bugfixed TNT wads?

Doom > Doom 64 > Doom 2 >> DOOM > Doom 3

Even menu screen runs at 2 fps
Same for me, but it crashed to desktop with an OpenGL error complaining about running out of video memory.
Once I tricked it into loading the actual demo map, it ran at a steady 60 fps.

Fav megawad?

strawpoll.me/10426064

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Going Down is absolutely my favourite. Man, it's so good.

TNT is so fucking good.

Is it controversial enough if I said DOOM was a good game ?

Lets also do some dick measuring. How big are your Doom folders?

Mine is 1.48 Gb

indeed it does

Mine was 30gb. I cleaned up the garbage from my wad folder and got it down to 16gb.

3.27 GB

46.1gb

So is that a lost soul or human female bowser?

I'm looking for something that makes the game faster and more difficult and makes enough changes so it doesn't feel stale. Does such a wad exist?

Trailblazer.

Hideous Destructor.

Hunter's Moon
Project MSX
Fractal Doom

Also Demonsteele and Winter's Fury for a more doomlike approach but with more enemies with variety.

It didn't sound like he wanted something as different from Doom as Demonsteele is. But Demonsteele is pretty great.

6.41 GB, which is larger than I was expecting, honestly.

Pretty sure Trailblazer and HD are way different of standard Doom.
But hey, he did ask for Faster and More Difficult Doom mods

I think it's the lost soul as it appears in HDoom.

I can't be certain, since HDoom is tragically of no interest to a faggot such as I.

You already have naked muscled up imps running around in regular Doom.

They're attractive.

But they're already full of boners
I don't like sluts

Hell might not be the place for you then.

I always did imagine myself going up the golden escalator with Scatman greeting me at the pearly gates and Carlin being grumpy in the corner somewhere.

Oh, I certainly agree. Thanks be to small blessings.

But all the same
>you will never be passed around and furiously raped in every way imaginable by a court of hell knights, aroused to the point of frenzy from having to simply watch and wait until their baron had finally finished with humiliating you and shattering your will.
(OR)
>you will never beat a whole mob of imps into submission with your bare hands, before brutally having your way with them all one-by-one while forcing the rest to watch, until all the members of your new demon harem come to gratefully accept their rightful places below their human alpha male.
(OR)
>you will never [insert carnal fantasy involving your favourite Doom monster(s), flavoured to appeal to the specific strains of degeneracy that apply to you).

Truly, we are living in only the most slightly-erotic of all possible worlds.

gays pls go and stay go

Go to Hell?

Rip and tear, user. Rip and tear your anus.

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Speaking of HDoom, new version when and where?

I could never get the plasma grab to work in Chocolate, and I don't think it has Gravis Ultrasound (GUS) emulation.

basically

But user, these demons might be female, too. And I don't mean the HDoom kind of demons.

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A new level of degeneracy.

I think I'm going to need some sexy fit imp art now.

ask the drawfag who draws buff moonman, hitler and random nignog to draw it for you

Slaughtermaps are the way to go then. Many sourceports allow cool moves like monster surfing.

not fit, but not fat either:

gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2985631

You mean male or female?

There's plenty of the latter around (especially since HDoom), but with the former, you'll probably be disappointed. The art tends to be either really fucking awful, or well drawn but with really exaggerated proportions.

Unless, y'know, that's what you're into.

Breddy gud.

Female imps, of course.

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They are supposed to be furry.

Huh, interesting. I suppose I always just assumed their skin had a rougher, grittier quality to it.

Are you saying that based on anything in particular, like the Doom Bible, or the novels (for all they're worth)?

Doom 4: The suckest shooter
Tearing down enemies with glory kills can only be fun when you have a chain of enemies to line up, except none of the weapons either overkill or are completely shit to set up these glory kills. Even then, your camera is so focused on punching/kicking/grappling these enemies, it's kind of hard to know what's going on around you, the enemies still move in realtime and also animation reset every enemy, so these glory kills are 50/50 whether or not it's actually safe to go in, yeah you get an odd 5 hp, but when you're playing on nightmare, that's +5hp vs -50hp.
this game has flaws, it has so many flaws, fuck this go get the duke nukem megaton edition off somewhere, build eduke32 from source and play some actually good shooters, fucking shit game

Aside from all the other flaws you already meticulously listed, do you mean to imply that enemies no longer know how to open doors?

you can also damage them through the wall since their heads clip through

and the "challenge" rooms are mundane and the difficulty for them are scaled back for some odd reason, playing it on nightmare is a breeze in those rune trials
I also don't know why the game doesn't update your display fps when you're loading the game, if you die and the game dips to like 40 fps, the game loads and never updates the display fps

expanding on this train of thought, more ways nudoom echoes DNF:
executions refill health to max and make the enemy drop their weapon, practically identical in concept to monster pinatas
never more than a few enemies spawned in at once so console babbies don't get overwhelmed
upgradeable health/armor
unskippable cutscenes/plot sections that grind action to a halt
linear as fuck corridor level design for that cinematic experience
corridors are punctuated with monster arenas where you have to kill a few waves of enemies (but never more than 3 or 4 at a time) to unlock the exit
memes and more memes, shit writing that tries way too hard to be current and edgy
first person platforming sections everywhere, because current year
boring, bland, paint-by-numbers damage sponge bosses

Nudoom is like Brutal Doom and DNF had a baby with fetal alcohol syndrome.

the port works perfectly fine if you aren't literally retarded. it also helps if you've used a source port that doesn't come with its own idiot-proof launcher before, like, ever.

Doom vs. Doom 2 sort of is, or at least I've seen both opinions.

Anal fissures are no laughing matter

like poetry

And that's setting aside nonsense like the fact that a port that bills itself as RETRO is, by default mind you, doing decidedly non-retro shit like:
-dumping a poor man's imitation of BD blood onto corpses
-sticking shadows on shit
-changing corpse physics

And then there's the fact that it lets you run mods on top of Doom shareware, which is a legal concern.

His mention of Doomsday wasn't out of wishing for Retro to be more like it, but pointing out that DE was a hardware truecolor port of Doom, whereas Retro is a software port limited to Doom's 256-color palette, and the fact that it made more sense for DE to be slapping alpha transparency onto stuff because of that boost in color palette.

3.49GB

most people here accept nuDoom as a decent game, it is just miles behind the originals

But aren't imps born and raised in Hell, unlike the Former Marines and Sergeants who are likely forced into Hell?

Edward is a fucking retard (he coded Zdoom's netcode, which is a steaming pile of peer-to-peer shit) but Retro Doom is a broken copycat of Chocolate Doom, hell and it's an older and modified version of CD so it lacks compatibility with doom2.exe demos and has some performance issues.

What really makes it shine as a shitty port is that the creator constantly attempts to get donations for doing a fork of another project, his homepage has the DONATE ME PLS button right at the top, to lure in retards with the brand name "retro" to scam them out of money for an otherwise free engine.

I had the same problem. Intro and menus at 5 [/spoiler]spf[/spoiler], gameplay at like 5 fps. Just updated my graphics drivers, problem solved.

I feel you. Just tried nuDoom for the first time today.

My expectations weren't high, I already knew it played more like Painkiller than Doom, but I really didn't expect it to be such a pile of turd. Glad I waited to pirate it, wasn't even worth the time and disk space for 60 GB.

My main problem is that, like in many modern fps, your character doesn't have any feeling of weight or momentum in his movement, you feel like a camera floating and sliding through the map. Gunplay is terrible too, guns also don't seem to have any weight or impact.

People gloat that the game is super optimized, well what a fucking surprise, it is "optimized" because the graphics are shit, consolized shit. Geometry seems very simple and low poly, it only looks good because the devs put tons of filters and effects on top as makeup. The graphics are exactly analogue to an ugly woman with tons of makeup. I really don't understand how this shit can be 60 GB, even 20 GB would have been too much. Around 14 GB at most would have been acceptable.

Enemy designs also have nothing to do with Doom, all of them look like they were ripped straight out of Gears of War.

It's shit and it would have been shit even if didn't carry the Doom name

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'works perfectly fine' wasn't intended to mean 'works 100% identically to vanilla Doom', if you want something that's 100% true to vanilla then build a DOS/Win98 rig and use the vanilla exe or settle for DOSBox you fucking sperg. Nitpicking about shit like rocket puffs has nothing to do with whether or not the port is functional, and I don't recall the creator ever claiming perfect compatibility with dehacked patches (afaik dehacked support was only added in a later version).

About the status bar screen size thing, I think you do have a point there, I recall some fuckery with the aspect ratio and going into fullscreen but it's been years since I actually used the port, no idea if he ever fixed that.

Most of your complaints seem to stem from being assblasted that the guy named it Retro without setting out to recreate what already exists in Chocolate Doom, rather than Retro just being the word the guy chose for his pet project that obviously isn't aiming for 100% authenticity but is still more decidedly more 'retro' than ZDoom or Doomsday. If he called it something like Doom Redux would that calm your tits?

wew

you know you can ignore the donate button and still use it in its full capacity right?

as for accepting money for derivative work, I didn't see anyone complaining when Rebellion took the free open-source Xbox port of Aliens vs Predator, did the absolute bare minimum work to port it back to PC with the controller support that had been added by the volunteer Xbox devs, and then sold the repackaged product on Steam without even crediting the Xbox devs at all (and ignored them when they politely requested to be credited). But Retro dev is a bad guy because calling it Retro is somehow attempting to conceal that it's a fork even though the second paragraph of the official wiki literally starts as "DOOM Retro’s source code is forked from Chocolate DOOM with enhancements from other DOOM source ports"? Fuck outta here.

I get it, the mere mention of Doom Retro gives you niggers an acute case of anal devastation, so don't fucking use it. Wow, look how easy that was.

Call me crazy, but I don't think it's too much to ask that a Doom source port be able to tell the difference between having the red key and not having the red key.

It puzzles me why Retro Doom exists. I can understand Chocolate Doom since if you wanna nostalgia for the original version but don't want to nostalgia your OS, but vanilla Doom seems like a got it right the first time, no need to revisit it ever again sort of deal.

Lol contrarian hipsters, dumbest fuckers on the planet

Chocolate Doom got it wrong because the "fixed" things, and of course like I mentioned before it doesn't have GUS emulation for the superior original music experience.

Agreed. I should mention that DOSBox has built-in IPX emulation so it makes it quite a bit easier to setup vanilla Doom multiplayer too.

Working on any maps lately, anons?

Ah, well thanks for the clarification.

I'm working on a museum level, but I had to scale down the porn to 256x256. That's fappable resolution, right?

This.

Want an experience as close to vanilla as is basically possible on a modern OS? Choco has you covered.

Want a port that does not religiously follow vanilla Doom, but throws the door wide open to mods that drastically change the experience? ZDoom has you covered.

Most of what Doom Retro does (that isn't stupid or weird, at least) could & has been either done as mods, or are engine features that:
A) Aren't enabled by default.
B) Better implemented.
C) Can be changed without exiting the game.

If I had to name things from Doom Retro that I'd like to see something like GZDoom do, it'd be the shadows, and… well, that's it. Faking shadows with black dynamic lights was dumb and ugly. However, the new rollsprite stuff in GZDoom means we'll be able to do shadows anyway.

I lost all the WADs I made originally for efnet #Doom2 and #Deathmatch back in the early 90s. Once a year I check the bigger WAD archive sites to see if someone out there has a copy of my best one titled something like "Ground Zero Underground" or "G0UND1" or something. Been thinking I'd like to remake that one.

Which editor should I jump into?

GZDoom Builder is what I use. Despite the name, it can do vanilla/Boom content no problem if you don't want to make anything ZDoom/GZDoom related.

For maps? DoomBuilder 2 or GZDoomBuilder, a fork intended to, as it's name would imply, cover GZDoom's additions.
For mods? SLADE3.

Thank, anons. I'll see what I can do to recreate something from memory. It was small-mid sized for primarily 1v1 or 2v2 deathmatch, and the single-player mode was a horde-style (wave-based progression), shot-counting (specifically limited ammo) skill test.

Imps are pretty big guys. They were born in hell, molded by it.

If 3DGE, Odamex, Zandronum, Risen3D, Doom Legacy, ReMooD etc. can exist, why shouldn't Doom Retro?

How about Eternity Engine, what's the fucking point of that? For one piece of vaporware called Mordeth that's about to have its 20th anniversary of being unfinished?

Fine.

I would obliterate Retro Doom from existence, if only to spite you user.

for you

Nudoom best Doom. Still not a perfect game tough.

who cares this has nothing to do with how the game plays

essentially a muh gwaficks argument.

still haven't seen anyone discuss the design or mechanics in any detail.

this i why we dont have nice things, dumb faggots like you

I think the worst offense was the final boss being a QTE.

I wouldn't say it's the best Doom, but it's clearly one of the best game of the year and one of the best FPS at all.

Fucking hell, how low have we fallen to claim that DOOM is the best game of the year?

Because it is. The Fallout 4 meme has made you faggots blind.

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Well fuck that shit, my goty is system shock, finally got some free time to play it after it sitting on my hard drive for nearly two years.

Did you play it at least ?
If you didn't, at least try to form your own opinion, it's a pretty good game, it has a lot of flaws, but it's still pretty enjoyable and has redeeming qualities.

Threadly reminder that Sgt Mark IV was banned by SJWs from Doomworld for telling a nigger to kill himself.

Up to this day, they're salty that their shortly lived fad mods don't rack up 1/100th of Brutal Doom's popularity.

3DGE actually tried to bring 3D objects to doom like models and voxels. Same with Risen3D.

Legacy and ReMooD tried to bring OGL and split-screen co-op to the port scene before GZDoom was a thing, with the latter being a more stable version/successor of Legacy that can also run on linux.

Odamex is a multiplayer port that tries to be Zdaemon (aka as close to vanilla) without the login bullshit, still in development.

Zandronum is Skulltag's successor, since Skulltag died and because there needs to be an alternative to ZDoom's SHITTY ASS P2P NETWORKING for multiplayer modding.

Eternity is the one that's truly redundant since zdoom exists but the rest of the ports you listed actually do have reasons to exist, unlike Doom Retro which is attempting to be a competitor to Chocolate Doom without any merit or advantages over that.

Do they want to live off Doom mods or something?

ok

oh, did I miss Chocolate adding 360 gamepad support with force feedback? I know it won't be considered a merit for all the mouse+kb elitists but some people appreciate an option to play from the couch without dragging over their keyboard and balancing it on their lap while they mouse on the couch, and classic vanilla Doom gameplay is heavily reliant upon autoaim (obviously so for aiming up and down) so it's not like you seriously handicap yourself in singleplayer by not having mouselook, it's not some modern tactical squad based shooter where razor accuracy is critical, on the contrary vanilla gameplay is very arcadey. Of course BFG edition with its PRBoom-based Doom1+2 ports also supports XInput pads (without the force feedback), if you don't mind having censored WADs.

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Pleb.

Sgt mark IV pls go.
Its fun and gory but has balance issues. I didn't notice until I play vanilla again.

Fucking lol! I guess when your shit tier engine can't handle more than 12 monsters on the screen (really capturing that Doom feel) you have to go with retarded shit like this. Can you imagine playing the real Doom and having to deal with spongy imps that hit harder? But, yeah, let's not kid ourselves, this game is not "ok", it's fucking garbage that lacks the top tier enemy and item placement essential to having a great fps in this vein. Just because there is some garbage further to the bottom of the can (the only selling point I've ever seen for NuDoom, very telling) doesn't mean NuDoom is good or even "ok."

Absolutely pathetic. I guess that's what you gotta do when your shit tier engine can't handle more than 12 monsters. I always wanted to deal with spongy imps while playing the real Doom. Let's not kid ourselves here, this game isn't just merely "ok", it's fucking garbage, and just because there is trash further down the can (the only selling point I ever hear NuDoom cockgobblers use, very telling) doesn't mean that NuDoom is any less garbage or even "ok." Call me when you know how to place enemies and items, don't incorporate the worst aspect of an existing Doom mod (Brutal Doom) to try and deal with your lack of knowledge in enemy and item placement (Brutal Doom adds glory kills that give health to try and offset the fact most maps weren't designed with Brutal Doom's enemies in mind), have an engine that can handle hordes of monsters, have shotguns that aren't peashooters, enemies stats don't bloat when I turn up the difficulty, and actually let me move at the blinding speed I did in the OG game (or faster, I wouldn't mind).

Threadly reminder that Brutal Doom is an unbalanced mess of style over substance and brought a ton of terrible idiots into "Doom". Second reminder that Sgt Mark IV is a whiny egotistical idiot who tried to pass others' work as his own and claims any criticism against him or his mod is either out of jealousy or about his slightly racist comment.

BFG edition wads are shit and they (as in the wads themselves) also do not support XInput pads, but rather it's bundled sourceport does. Besides, prboom+, g/zdoom and zandronum can handle the 360 gamepad (what's the point of calling it force feedback? It's just vibration shake, even PS1 doom had this) plus a whole bunch of other controllers and arcade pads that are infinitely better than it so what was the point of Retro Doom already? That it's a shittier version of Chocolate doom that lacks half it's damn features and is riddled with bugs and shitty things like forced vsync?

Doom wasn't even designed for M/KB or Controller, but just plain KB only, and it plays fine just like that.

They made it a point that Doom had support for mouselook from the very get-go.

Keyword is SUPPORT. The level design, at least for the first episode in UV, was designed to be easy enough to beat with keyboard-only controls and the default controls reflect on this. Everyone and their mother knows Romero only played M/KB back then, but not everyone had mouses either and they had to set a bar low enough to catch in those who were transitioning from Wolfenstein to Doom.

Texture PTH, 730, 563{ XScale 4.0 YScale 4.0 Patch PTH, 1, 0}

730, 563 is the res of the texture you're downscaling. X and Yscale is how much you're down scaling by.

zdoom.org/wiki/TEXTURES

I started working on my first levels. I think they're alright for my first stuff, but overall not so great.

Magical, is there anything Doom can't do?

In technical aspects, yes. But you can usually work around them if you know a little ACS.
HDoom is a technological masterpiece for what it is

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Fuck off. I'm not buying your game.

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in other news, i can't wait to actually have the nuts to make a mod for this shit already.

You could start simple with like, replacing all the songs with WWF themes.

I chose the doom engine for simple solutions for game design, I can do audio swaps with any game I want.

CPY cracked it recently, just pirate it faggot

Gave this a try. Liking it so far.

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Oh, well pardon me, didn't mean to underestimate you.

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I wouldn't be using the doom engine if you underestimated me.

No thanks.

What did he mean by this?

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just finished epic 2 for second time, this time with the rule that I would pistol continue if I died in stage and no saves, except for taking a break

stage 29 kinda had me sweating balls at times, but it went surprisingly well, on first try, although I came close to dying at few points

also used the original doom gameplay limits ofcourse, being able to vertically aim for example cheapens the experience if the wad itself is designed to be played with vanilla settings

dubs don't lie

apply you're self.

Its only usefull if you charge it. The design is terrible, it looks gay, sounds gay, i would just drop this shit if i could.

The chaingun also is shit, sounds weak and doesnt overheat, and you forget you have another shotgun when you get the super shotgun.

Halo is garbage btw

So for Hdoom what build of Zdoom do I need to get it running?
I snag into something saying this any ideas?

You need Zandonum 3.0 or the latest build of GZDoom.

Speaking of which, modders that base their mods on dev/git builds should be lined up and shot. What's the fucking point of having stable builds at all if everyone is expected to rebuild the engine from source every few days anyway?

Mind explaining how?

Yeah that fixed it and the blog even said I'd need Zandonum so eh I flubbed. Well it's working now there's other WAD's I haven't played yet.

John Carmack did nothing wrong, and Zenimax needs to stop making up wild stories. For a company who has allegedly been working in VR for two decades they have no papers, prototypes, proofs, patents or logs to show for it. That's either a fanciful tale of bullshit or one really awful software company who can't even keep logs of its own actions.

Maybe that's because HDoom was meant for fucking ZDOOM and not Skulltag Zandrodumb which is few years behind ZDooms codebase?

HDoom v7 was made when Zandronum was still on 1.2 and it was recently updated to work with 2.0 features, of which most servers haven't switched to 3.0 yet which is quite retarded. It is compatible with both Zan and ZDoom because of the backwards compatibility that ZDoom had. Mike has said that the mod was meant and designed for Zandronum, both for compatibility with ZDoom and for multiplayer shenanigans.

(had, because ever since the doomscript update a few months back their backwards compatibility with other mods has been getting quite faulty, although they are working on fixing that, i think)

You might want to go back and check again. I played through PS1 Doom+Final Doom on an emulator about a year ago and neither one had vibration. Final Doom has support for the PS1 mouse (that is so inaccurate and frustrating you're actually better off with the digital pad), but no vibration. To the best of my knowledge both PS1 Doom+Final Doom predate the Dualshock.

I had a hacked PS1 with 2 normal controllers and a dualshock back then in 2002, and i'm fairly certain that Final Doom shaked the controller once you got hit. Not sure about Doom 1 however, since i din't have it for PS because i already had it on PC.

the emulator (mednafen) has working vibration in other games that support it, so I don't see why it wouldn't support it in these 2.

the 2 PS1 Dooms also do not support the analog sticks which is the other thing that typically comes along with vibration.

Yeah, i remember that Final Doom din't work with the analog sticks either. Reading a bit, i notice that FD was released two years before dualshock controllers were relesed, analog was released a year before that though so i don't know how it could even support vibration but not analog. Maybe it was an updated version of PS1 Final Doom? It wasn't exactly a non-pirated copy either so it could just be that.

What is the highest difficulty you successfully played doom on?

Nightmare.

God I hope this is just ppl trolling

I like nueb
but it doesn't excuse its short coming especially when trying to compare it tot its predecessors. Most common complaints are,

Still probably the best modern fps that isn't just a port with HD models and textures. Thats far from a complete list, but thats the ones I see the most. I actually liked Doom 3.

what? dont tell me these babies didnt play it on nightmare mode

Does anyone have the Nudoom plot summary that a guy posted when it came out?

Are we talking about the original dooms?
Nightmare, but it's kinda meme difficulty, as it's so unbalanced on most maps. You have to explicitly plan a route on many maps, unless you have good memory of where certain things are. Secrets with goodies are vital for your survival.

Or you would have to savescum your way through the stages, but where would be the fun in that?

also fuck E4M1 on nightmare

Daym.

Sperglord's version is fun. I like the alt fires.

Are there any good gameplay wads that go well with no mouselook?

Are there any good gameplay wads that go well with no mouselook?

Yeah its not the same speed DOOM 1 + 2 were

But those games you also were not leaping around non-stop and sprawling vertical levels

I mean I love quake etc but even those games don't have as much verticality as nuDoom does

And yeah its slow, but compared to everything else in the last 10 years other than Toxikk its going at mach 10

I have these

I mostly just come in these threads to shit on nudoom

That some dedicated shitposting from a guy that admits to not even playing the game and just watching it on youtube like a good pewdiepie kid.

I bet you get a lot of hipster cred by the bandwagon company.

How do you get that UI?

Doom threads are rare on 8ch Holla Forums that I forget about them.

Have you forgotten about me?

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I saved all of the stuff Cacobro's drawn for me over the past few years.

They mean a lot to me, it was the first fanart I've ever gotten for stuff I've made

When are you releasing an update on GMOTA? Combined arms was fun to play through but i still haven't itched off that G'nG/Castlevania niche for FPS that this started off.

That hud looks kinda familiar, it is from an SNES beat 'em up?

Reelism has an entire Castlevania map, but it's not an adventure oriented mod.

where did I say that?

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Heretic is better than DOOM.

While I fucking love the "Ha ha ha…" sound bite and the Hammer of Retribution, Doom has a much more iconic style to it.

whoops

HoR is HeXeN, not Heretic, and Cleric's holy fireball-localized explosion ring is way cooler. Though, nothing beats the Fire 'ballspam' Mace.

It's pretty great.

Something, something, chasecams, morphing the player and making him invisible without destroying the inventory/weapons/ammo counts while the animation is playing and restoring him when exiting it, something…

It's basically a bunch of hacks that are only possible because Heretic has something similar with the Chicken transformation spell.

Did you even read the post or are you talking out of your ass like a good goy. Genuinely curious.

It's a shill, i've seen the exact same buzzwords used against entirely different posts ever since the game was released. They aren't even that good at hiding it, it's surprisingly easy to catch.

I can't give a concrete release date, I still have a lot of work left in this update, it's a doozy. Progress is steady though.

The life/armor bars are from Castlevania Circle of the Moon, and the subweapon box and the gem meter are edits from the HUD in Ghouls n Ghosts, really pleased with how they turned out.

It's a good looking hud, yep. Any chance we could get the hud by itself in a wad real quick?

Well it's not done, I haven't finished the Blazter meter yet, so I'm not sure if it'd be any use to you

As long as progress is being done, all is well, just remember not everyone is at the /vr/ irc so make sure to at least do those montly updates.

By the way, are you changing the way blaz charges up his super weapon variants or is the new hud just aesthetics? I kinda prefered more the good 'ol stamina bar for the sword subweapons but this new timed reload system may actually balance weapons like the knives vs spear/axes vs torch. And, did you finally nerf the axes? They are ridiculeously good for a starting subweapon due to their damage+bounce capabilities.

Alright, no problem.

I haven't been to the /vr/ IRC for quite some time, most of my updates have been on the other chan's /vr/ doom thread, and my tumblr, and as I said before the Doom threads are so rare and slow here on Holla Forums that I sometimes forget about them, but I'll make sure to keep my eyes peeled in the future for you guys.

Man it must have been awhile since you last played GMOTA, you haven't started with a subweapon for quite some time now.

and I actually buffed the axes to compensate for their low initial ammo cap, hue

Thanks for being patient though.

Oh you don't spawn with them anymore? It's been a while since i checked on GMOTA because it din't appear on the first 5 pages on the zdoom projects forum last i checked (or rather i missed seeing it if it was) so i thought you haven't updated it.

Oh well, at least we can now say that they require SOME skill to use :^)

Something something fire joke

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I member!

I was raped last time I played doom.

Difficulty, WAD, map number?

does Doom 4 have any mods yet?

I wish Doomguy in HDoom was a futa instead.

I wish HDoom was with monsters instead.
Just kidding. There's the base game for that.

It's not rape if you like it. Now suck it down gayboy! John Romero's about to make you his bitch!

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who needs mods when you have the fount of infinite creativity known as Snapmap?

praise todd

there's this one nu-doom faggot in every classic doom thread. his defense, every time, is "h8rs didn't play it," because he can't into objective comparisons.

So I just finished replaying Ultimate Doom and I gotta ask, does anyone else think the final episode (Thy Flesh Consumed) kinda sucks? I mean the first 3 episodes are great, but playing Thy Flesh Consumed I feel shows an extreme drop in quality in overall design and asthetic.

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Even though that guy is a faggot, you actually can have more than 64 demons in a map by using spawn triggers, but that does not remove the asinine restriction on 12 live demons at a fucking time.

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/r/ing Holla Forums.wad because all the dl links I can find are fucking dead

I enjoy doom and Muslim

They are different games with different goals and that is okay

Why do classic wads always work poorly in Gzdoom? Is there a certain year like 2006 or 2010, wherein the wads are fully compatible with Gzdoom.

Which specific wads?

Brutal Doom > Vanilla

The Batman wad has fucked up animations while the 007: License to Doom wad always has an invisible treadmill acting on me so I always move backwards when I stop.

gam.thewaitingroom.org/be_wads/pol.wad
Use wad archive and check the mirrors next time.

Pretty sure those use DEH files which are buggy in modern sourceports like ZDoom and GZDoom. Use Chocolate Doom to play the original Batman/007 wads or find patches for the wads like this one:
forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=32722

That is the general consensus

Haha god damn my shit spell corrected from nudoom to Muslim

If you remove all the gameplay changes and just use the visual upgrades

Johnny Doom=Project Brutality>Brutal Doom

Just tried Oblige with Project Brutality.
The unreasonably huge clusters of enemies are fun now instead of frustrating.

My man what are you using in that picture? I don't recognize the mods.

Project MSX and Alien Vendetta, fun stuff.

Thanks man.

try adding this on top, at 3 minutes in the video.

Project Brutality=Brutal Doom>Johnny Doom
JD is weird. and meme-y.

Oblige is kind of a strange beast, anyway.

The Brutal Doom monster addon looks like it makes MSX easier as the monster AI is less savage.

Didn't know. I don't typically frequent Doom threads since I only recently fell back in love with Doom.

(off by one)
Square has wonderful level design. I love it

Bumping with my shitty map.

I've posted it before, and I've made a lot of progress on it recently. I'm probably going to have to overhaul the caves again, though.

mega.nz/#!k4wlzCRY!CgogAzLWB-MFwjjo9iLH2LMAyTtDjuvBfOsErM2zlSQ

HOM alert, m8.
Forgot your lower texture there.

Fix'd, thanks a lot famiglia

Damn, The Plutonia Experiment goes from top-notch to braindead retarded at times. I like the downright cruelty of it, though, and without resorting to shit like boosting the enemies stats.

I think it's all good, except for the one level that's just invisible door triggers and archviles.

I always hated the first parts of Plutonia. Those early levels suck horsecock.

The second half has better architecture, but I'd still say maps like Aztec, Caged and Realm still hold up pretty well.

MSX changes monster AI? I haven't touched it in a long time. the BD AI is more aggressive than vanilla Doom.
playing Quake 1 Arcane Dimensions currently, heh.

Man in hindsight I need to rework quite a few GMOTA monsters.

What the fuck was I thinking with the Hellfos, it's nuts to approach them in melee, and before this video I gave the bombs the Bomber knights throw a set amount of HP, meaning they could be destroyed from a powered sword attack and have your own assault literally blow up in your face.

The only of those that looks right is the Hell Knight. The rest just look off.

Anyone wants to play some DM?

Too bad it's monstergirl shit instead of female demons. I wanted an Imp with tits and a vagina, not an anime girl cosplaying as an Imp.

Delete your life.

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SQUIP SQUIP

too bad HDoom guy is such a tumblr cunt

It's a baron, you twat. And even that one looks off.

It fucking matters you sperglord, I could bask in the bloodshed i had created way back in original doom but bodies fucking dissapear in nudoom bcuz memory? thats fucking gay, especially for a game that sells itself on gore, fucking niggers completely ruined the atmosphere by doing that, almost my top complaint about nudoom outside of how fucking samey it all is

violence loses much of its gravitas if it has no visible repercussions, lot of specifically triple a devs dont understand this, one of the most triggering things about vidya for me is bodies and debris dissapearing

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OP here, tried a bit more nuDoom, it's starting to grow on me. It would be a fine game if it didn't sell itself as a doom game. Is that shit even moddable?

No, OP, its not.

just download D4D and a bunch of random map packs, Doom 4 itself has no such mods and probably won't for a long time thanks to snaplegos

Make sure to use the latest build of GZDoom as the latest version of D4D utilizes flat sprites which allows for shit like this.

It makes most enemies much more aggressive. The imps in particular are now ruthless motherfuckers.

Looks fancy but I hate how painfully obvious it is the lightning beam isn't even emitting from the muzzle of the gun.

Looks awesome, though I have to say I'd love to see them make alt fires for the static cannon and the lightning gun, as well as any other weapon that's being brought in from multiplayer, kinda wish they did health/armor/ammo upgrades like D4 did but eh, can't have everything

Mini marine is best megasphere

Plutonia has ruined the first 3 episodes of Doom for me. Are there any Megawads that are challenging, and not in a retarded bullshit kind of way? I'm playing through Momento Mori now.

*memento

Depends on what your definition of bullshit is.
I would personally recommend skillsaw's stuff and B2SX ep. 1 and 2. Though even skillsaw tends to get a bit too archvile-trap happy for me. B2SX Ep. 1 is probably my favorite megaWAD of all time, the level design is immaculate and it can get incredibly challenging at times but I never felt bullshitted on.

Oh and it also has a rad as fuck soundtrack.

Where are the good servers at? There's nothing but Brutal Doom, Endless Survival (with overpowered weapons, so it's not really "survival"), and WhoDunIt servers, and for the WhoDunIt ones, I can't even read the instructions when you enter the server. It just shows the DooM instructions and only flickers the mod's instructions.

Anyone have any good servers that I'm missing out on?

No body as in the player character's body, you doofus, not enemy corpses.

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He originally made a tumblr blog to post updates, but then tumblr swallowed him whole.

Is there really any difference? Even if you removed the animu aspects it would still be a monstergirl I think.

i don't know what's funnier, doom engine being strong enough to handle NMS mod or NMS being primitive enough to make doom faithfully play NMS

I think my Doom level is coming along OK, but I should study some real world architecture before continuing.

Are the dogs part of the level too?

I wish, it would be a cute touch any level.

Yes, a rather big one.

Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Nice virtue signalling.

I just played D44M

It honestly wasn't that bad. It likely will never see a modding scene on par with the original titles however, but that's because classic Doom was handed out like candy due to the Columbine shootings in order to prevent a ban doing anything.

Good taste user, female monsters are the best fap fuel.

classic doom was shareware so everyone played it either way and columbine had nothing to do with it (those who are too young to remember - shareware games were like demos but extended, usually the entire episode was fully playable with most of the features)

I pirated it. The mechanics very obviously miss the point of the original doom, and with how mobile the enemies are, how they explode into pinatas of health/ammo, how you jump and climb around arenas, it makes enemy/item placement and level design pretty much worthless as just about every fight plays out the same.

Plus, this makes the only way to make the game 'harder' is to just up the damage output of your opponents. Ultra-Violence is so damn easy and the only difference I've seen between it and Nightmare is that in Nightmare, an Imp's fireball takes you down to basically zero health.

I noticed one night that instead of intense, adrenaline-pumping action, the game was something nice to play to wind down before bed.

I got bullets and blood all over my pooch. :(

Also I converted wrong.

zdoom can take regular pngs so you don't have to convert the texture yourself

That's not actually true, ID Software completely removed any fees for selling Doom at brick and mortar stores. If you were a store owner and sold DOOM for $60, you made the full $60 and didn't owe anything back. This was huge in the game being pushed, you couldn't go anywhere without shelves being littered with DOOM.

Obviously a lot of people pirated the title, but it secured DOOM's title as one of the best selling games of the period.

Right, I gotta get the process memorized so I don't goof with conflicting tutorials.

Sunlust is proper hard without going full retard (with the exception of the last few levels).
Valiant is fun (if you like new monster types).
Ancient Aliens is fun and hard.
Alien Vendetta is mostly fine.. ..mostly.
Kama Sutra is a classic for a reason.
There are several Plutonia remakes that manages to catch the feel and style of the original.

Memento Mori is an old ass wad. It's pretty much the OG of community megawads and back in the day people had a radically different idea of what a hard Doom map was. Both Memento Mori's are a bit tame by modern standards (They're still pretty though).

speed of doom, plutonia 2, hellbound and epic 2 could fit the bill

then there is sunlust but it can get retarded hard at times

well the second to last level was aptly named go fuck yourself
the music they used for it was good though

It will never see a modding scene, period. There's barely any modding tools provided and the ones there are are limited as fuck, largely thanks to consoles. Snapmap is already dead

Your newfaggotry is showing

The original Scythe is considered harder than it's sequel but both are challenging and have great architecture. Speed of Doom and that new JPCP wad have some really tough levels to crack, although JPCP is fairly easy on the first five or so maps, it ramps up quickly and without remose. Jenesis will kick your ass if you thought pain elementals, fatsos and agitated skeletons were weak and there's also the two Hell Revealed wads to put a cherry on the hordes of archviles and cyberdemons with some really good cacodemon placement in a few maps that will really fuck your shit up.

You won't see mods because of denuvo. snapmap was an attempt to bandaid this issue but it failed completely.

imblying

swapping models was never called a "mod" back in the day.

you said you can't mod because of denuvo, model swapping is clearly a modification. there's also the real weapon names mod. the difficulty in modding isn't denuvo's fault

Nah, he wants DEMONSTEELE, just doesn't know it yet.

5.24GB

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would you a hellknight
The one of the left, obviously.

That was already posted.

polite sage

This might seem like a dumb question, but are there any mods that allow you to play Doom using Software Renderer but fix the distorted view when using freelook? My computer only supports up to OpenGL2.1 so there are annoying visual bugs that can't be fixed, namely decals all appear as fuzzy crosses and dashes, colour from sprites tends to bleed through walls and other sprites and so forth. Software renderer has no issues except freelook distortion.

Anybody know some good sountrack mods for DOOM that add in some electronic? Playing Demonsteele and the usual/rock metal just doesn't seem to fit at all, and the only one I could find was Rokeleko 1&2 (All Electronic) which was fine but not very energetic.

Yes.

Doom>>>Doom 3>DOOM>Doom 2
FTFY

This level feels like they didn't try

eh I still think it's a pretty bullshit map pack though

There's another one in that box room.

I'll be honest I hit myself with a rocket and died when an enemy popped out of nowhere when I must have been near the end, and I didn't care to keep playing

All I could remember was 5 revenants, and now that you mention it I remember the second archville, but yea, horrible way to start off a map pack, or at least on the "higher difficulty" not even Doom II had a monster higher than a imp on the first map

did the mapmaker get divorced? dog hit by a car? jamal rob him?

I made this wad with quite some help, pic related is Dungeon Cleaner.
dropbox.com/s/lz9e2jqow05mxuq/Dungeon Cleaner Other Version.wad?dl=0

Ballistik needs quite a lot of help with mapping. Will post download link when it finally comes out.

Source? I need this for research. And potentially any other ones like this by the same artist.