Catalan Referendum

ITT What do you think the outcome will be of the Catalan Referendum?

Which side will win? Which side would you vote for? Will Spain even acknowledge the vote?

If they leave, will the international community recognize Catalonia as a sovereign nation even if Spain doesn't?
Would Catalonia be accepted into the EU? Would EU membership be accepted by Catalonians?

If they don't leave, will Spain just carry on? Will preventative measures be put in place?

Discuss.

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The vote will be for independence because those who oppose indepedence reject the referendum.

Irrelevant. It isn’t legal by Spain’s constitution and nothing will be done about it.
Independence.
Remain, only because kikes want balkanization.
No, they said that 10 years ago and every year since.
They won’t. Leaving requires physical violence, which means civil war, which means NATO intervention, which means they instantly lose. They’re too cucked to do even physical violence.
No.
Irrelevant; the EU is in stage 3 cancer.
Yes.
Yes, because they’re all fucking cucks.
Don’t need to; constitution already says they can’t do it.

Follow up, following the referendum, if independence wins, and succession is basically impossible by violence thanks to NATO intervention, will there be anyone that takes this vote seriously? For example, will there be an increase of talks with Spain about increasing autonomy of Catalonia without leaving? Sort of as a way to appease them. Or will it be completely ignored?

Why shouldn't every people be able to make their own country? Why should the spanish constitution have any power in Catalonia if Catalonians reject it?

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Hilarious shenanigans; we win if Catalonia splits because we get [autistic screeching] from the EU and we win if they don't because of the [autistic screeching] from commies. Double points for riots, triple points for a rigged vote.

I've heard Catalonia be called commies and natsocs, what the fuck are they really?

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If someone does something monumentally stupid (read: Spain actually activates the troops it sent over there), this will end in powers devolved to Catalonia, yeah. I’m not sure if the Catalans will accept anything short of “we have the ability to hold a referendum on our independence”, but then again they’ve been so fucking lazy that they did nothing the last two times they voted for independence either, so we’ll have to see. The routing of the Scottish referendum–as well as the theft of the Austrian, French, and German elections from parties that would have taken those countries out of the EU–has really taken its toll on what little European hope was left (and in the case of the Scottish commies specifically, the various independence movements of Europe).

1. Because fuck you, you don’t get to import 30 million invaders and hold a referendum to create aztlan. Americans are touchy about that and Europeans are touchy about the caliphate being formed under their noses.
2. Because they’re fucking cucks and won’t fight for their freedom, so it just won’t happen. The comment in the quoted post was not meant to say anything whatsoever about a personal belief on the matter of a constitution having power if the people reject it, nor of a people’s lack of right to follow natural law.

As user specified, they CAN make their own country, but Spain doesn't have to let them leave. user thinks the only way to leave is by force since Spain has historically not accepted Catalonia's sovereignty, and since Catalonia is so small, they couldn't pull it off. Its like a poor with no job leaving his mom's house to live on his own, he just simply doesn't have the capital to pull it off

Didn't the EU say that they would support the results? That means that Spain could potentially be ass raped.

if UN supports does that mean NATO basically has to support by extension?

They're undoubtedly degenerate leftists, antifa was there fighting against a Spanish natsoc group who are opposing the independence movement, called Esapaña2000. The threat is that catalonia, being coastal, will be a staging ground for non whites to enter the rest of Europe to succ the gibs.

My mistake, España 2000

regardless of their ideology, shouldn't a right to a country's sovereignty be more important? Historically its existence is very very valid even if its inconvenient for the political landscape at the moment

Well let him starve for a month until he comes back begging

The only rights the Catalonians have is to be genocided for their bullshit during the civil war

Spain has stated they won't do that. Catalonia tries to leave, Spain mobilizes soldiers

They were just a trade region that got fucked and passed back and forth like a drunk college chick between Chad Espania and Brad Franca for centuries I feel like they've kind of earned their right to independence again like back before Spain got poor and took their land for their money

the international community may or may not depending on the economic and diplomatic relationships with Spain - I'm assuming the EU would be the only place that actually recognizes it as a sovereign state.

If they were more isolated, yes. But the end result of their tantrum is that they'll be liable to mismanage their newly formed country, and it will potentially have very undesirables effects on the rest of Europe. That said, it could trigger a larger conflict and with that a purge of sorts. Every moment presents an opportunity.

Fair critical analysis. Well done user

You can only have your own country if you can form and defend it using force. Since the Spanish obviously won't just give their territory away willingly, in reality the Catalans only have that option.

Doesn't NATO only intervene if someone asks for it or the UN says war crimes are being done?

RIGHT WING ALMOGAVAR SQUADS WHEN

Neither was your secession in 1776 LMAO
Why should a new, sovereign nation be bound by laws of an other state?

This is the best part. Madrid want the shekels and won´t allow Catalonia to leave.

Widspread unrests will begin and credit the ratings of Catalonia will collapse, the rest of Spain follows.

Nobody will believe idiotic claims of Democracy, Rule of Law and Human Rights.

Must be why they support an EU superstate and a North American Union.

Sounds like patriotard cuckservatives.

NATO's position is whatever the US wants. The official/public US position is that Spain should stay united. Spain's Prime Minister was in DC days ago and I can imagine he politely asked for more than just diplomatic support (see Assange tweets - US IC getting involved in independence movements is nothing new. Quebec is one example). I have no doubts the EU is also supporting the Spanish government in some capacity.

As for the UN, I don't think they have any significant or active role right now. If there's violence in the streets, they'll put on a show in New York and possibly Geneva. Spain is not considered a bad goyim so the government should be able to get away with a lot.

despite fighting for independece which is solely in itself a righteous act, theyre a bunch of multi culti marxist cucks. fuck them all to hell.

they also have literal israeli support for balkanization, in the same way that turdistan is being used by the jews to balkanize iran, turds are also filthy multi culti marxist cucks

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If they vote for independence, then the next one doing a referendum will be Veneto.

JUST DO IT

Its like you're Jewish is showing Rabbi.

Oy vey.

They must repent for backstabbing Constantinople or it will not happen.

I hate meme-historians like you.
Venice was the only Western nation to send soldiers to defend Constantinople in 1453

Padano should secede from Italy. They basicly provide for whole Italy and will be flooded by niggers and arabs from south.

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Yeh after fucking the Empire up in 1204 and realising there are serious financial consequences for letting the Ottomans control their trade lanes.

Highly doubt it will escalate into actual war. Catalonia has no military and they don't have some sort of massive guerilla tactics militia(s) set up at all. No equipment, no bases, no training, and probably just enough men to form several terrorist cells. It'll just be Turkey 2.0, where a helicopter will fly around shooting prime targets and spanish military will keep control on the streets for the next couple of days.

they can do a general strike until Spain recognizes the result

That's what I mean by mini.

I highly doubt it, the leftist on National level are backing the Government from day one and they aren't in a strong position, they know they might be purged too if they move.

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Also reminder this tweet is triggering leftists and commies left and right, crying "Imperialism!" and "Fascism!"

If Catalan is really communist, then it's best for them to secede to that Spain has less commies in it, and if Catalan is really the opposite in some way, then it's best for them to secede to guarantee their self-interests better.

They're distinct enough and have been their own country for long enough in the past that it doesn't make sense to keep them with the rest of Italy if you want self-determination to be upheld. Work to redpill them like any other jew-controlled country in europe if they manage a secession.

Catalonia is also one of the most industrialized regions in Europe. They call it European silicon valley. It's not good for Spain if they secede.

How viable is it to industrialize other regions of Spain to make up for that loss?

The balkanization of spain is good. Spain was never a country, it was always castillans trying to impose their culture on others. Hopefully this will fuel galizan, basque and perhaps other kinds of nationalism all around the country.

Requires laws, active intervention of government locally and probably domestically to attract investors and a lot of time to shift tech workers into the area and develop industry from ground up. It might take decade or more at least. Secession is very impractical for Spain.

Catalanfag here. Gonna bring some different light into the thread. This is going to be long so bear with me.
First of all you must understand that the Catalan coalition for independence are formed by three parties: Republican left-leaning centrists who are also federalists, Right wing Catalanists and SJW anarchists/communists.
Should Catalonia become independent, Federalists would be the left and Catalan nationalists the right, while SJW would be what they are now: a lesser party indoctrinated in American liberalism.
But Catalans don't really want independence.
Why?
Because most of them feel Spanish and they were happy with Spain 20 years ago.

What the fuck happened, then? Let's go back in time and find out:
A decade ago, Catalans renewed their statute of autonomy, just as the rest of Spanish autonomic regions did that same year. It passed, just like all others did, but someone managed to stop it after it passed and eventually it was watered down. Many Catalans decided that this wasn't fair and got butthurt. Rumors of independentism were hear at this point, but it was a non-issue. Things get worse from here.

With the economic crisis and the betrayal of the Spanish government towards so many families (Spanish families, not just Catalan ones), people's discomfort towards the Spanish Central Government started growing. Spain wasn't rescued and in fact our industry got further dismantled by the EU. Banks and corporations were rescued; the same banks who were getting 300% benefits mid-crisis. This made a lot of people jump into the Catalan independentist train. It was a "maybe we'll do things better on our own" feeling, not real nationalism, and it didn't have any feelings of alienation towards the rest of Spain.

Then the ((right wing)) Spanish party, loyal to EU, took power and the economy got worse yet. Catalanists were uppity at this point, but still they offered alternatives to Madrid, to bring back some of the things they had cut with the statute denial fuckery. But their answer was always the same "we're not even going to talk about this issue"

So Catalonia told Spain they'd hold a fake referendum. The Spanish Government mocked them and told them that no one would even vote. They got BTFO on so many levels. YES won, but by a small margin. Catalans didn't want to be independent yet and this was clear from the results of that fake referendum. But YES still won. I was one of the guys who went to vote and I voted NO.

Catalans tried then to get a better economic deal by the Spanish Central Government, but they got denied again so they decided to try and form a coalition so that they would have enough chairs in the Catalan parliament to hold a referendum and declare independence. The Spanish government's response? Telling the rest of Spain that Catalonia is evil and Catalans wanted to break Spain.
This is truly the breaking point because the Spanish ((right wing)) party knows that they don't need Catalonia, as Catalonia has its own right wing and the Spanish left and right are weak there for the most part. Worse yet, the recent crippling policies and scandals of corruption have left them exposed and in a vulnerable situation.
So they also know by making Catalans look like the devil they make the rest of Spain vote for a more conservative party: them. Literally fear-mongering.
Things went South when a few days ago the faggots from the Central Government decided to make several police raids all over Catalonia. This was not just a “No, you can vote” but also a slap on the wrist to Catalans. It was then that the average Joe in Catalonia got mad and decided to at least go to the referendum. Independence didn't really matter: this would be a political action to show the Spanish government “we're not afraid of your shit.” Funny that most Spanish immigrants in Catalonia decided to go full independentists after that. Spain's response? Gather the Guardia Civil from all around Spain and sending them to Catalonia to stop the referendum from taking place. Which only made people angrier.
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But wait… there's more:
The Catalan right is also corrupt and they joined the referendum stunt because it helps them hide their own corruption, but they can't back down now or they will lose face. Bith sides are Eucucks, but Catalan independence would mean a smaller government, and this is always a good thing.

Tl;dr: It's all a giant smoke screen to avoid addressing actual issues. The Spanish right has fueled division by treating Catalans as non-citizens and demonizing them, while the Catalan independentist parties have done the same for the same reasons.

Spain has a stubborn Central government tied to one hand and a cunning catalan government on the other. If they keep pulling this be the end of us.

I tried to be as unbiased as possible, but living this from within and seeing the betrayal of the Central Government makes my blood boil. I'm not independentist, but this madness seriously needs to stop. I've seen families lose everything and they only survived because people here are good and help one another. It's heardbreaking that we, the Spanish people, are told that we lived beyond our means, that we want to break our own country, that we have no culture and we are too stupid to rule ourselves. This is my middle finger to all of these people and their masters.

My hopes are that Catalonia will go independent and Spain will veto them out of the EU, then the EU will get mad at them and create tensions, which will in turn cause an Anti-EU sentiment in Spain.

All Trump has to do is Tweet about this and the entire course will change.

If Catalonia looks to the US to support, and declares its independence from Spain and the EU, shit will get interesting. Maybe I am just dreaming, but Catalonia leaving Spain, ditching the EU, and sucking up to USA would be a dream scenario. It would definitely domino.

I do think Trump will say something. Specially because if he backs this, the leftists will flip out in the US and go full "caliexit", which would make the rest of the country hate them even more.

Yeah, that's how the catalonia was developed, via goverment investment under Franco. Of course Spain had a much better economy back then, so i dont know if they could pull that off nowadays.

Historically, they are as close to romans (from rome, not from the empire) as the sicilians are, since all of italy was fragmented until like 150 years ago. Racially, they are only meaningfully different from the italian from south of naples; economically they are OK but they don't pay for the rest of the country, lombardy is responsible for that.
I honestly don't see that much reason for them to seccede.

You are probably taking those haplogroup charts seriously, in my country (Portugal) they purposefully pick the most mixed region of the country to represent the entire population, even though my region is literally 85% R1b, with some other european haplogroups included.
Heck, even lisboets, which are outright niggers on my eyes, are whiter on average than what those charts make them out to be.

They'll import even more shitskins if they become independent.

Not sure. It might depend on how strongly the Venetic blood still exists in that area. But that aside, I mostly meant cultural distinction, to the point that Venetian as a language still remains spoken among them daily despite some of what Mussolini tried to do to curb Italian local languages by eliminating its public use. Along with that, there's plenty they have to be proud of that is nowadays generalized as Italian; I mean, Marco Polo and Vivaldi were Venetian, as well as Andrea Palladio. I'm saying this as someone southern Italian on my father's side. If they've remained culturally distinct for that long, it frankly just makes sense that they'd have to secede for the sake of self-determination, and if I remember right, Venetian independists want the other pieces of Italy that had been a part of the Venetian Republic to break off with them, which if I remember right would include parts of Lombardy.

Well, at least they don't seem too hard to build a wall around.

Good read, thanks for insight.

CUCKALANS ARE CAUSING FASCISM TO MAKE A COMEBACK IN SPAIN

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Venetians weren't that different from the other peoples of italy to begin with. The only difference is that they got more raped by germanics than the southerners (which also got rapes by germanics).

You do know that Italy has hundreds of dialects/languages that are still spoken, right? That's the reason the meme of the hand signs exists, they can't really communicate properly up to this day.

Sure, but that could very much be "regional pride" instead of "national pride".

So, you aren't even a "pure blooded venetian" to begin with? During the middle ages venice was a multi-culti shithole, same as lisbon, there is no such thing, really.

I'm sure lombards would be thrilled going from one "opressive" country to another one with a slightly different language.

I honestly can understand the sentinment that you're talking about, but if you go by such feelings, no country in Europe would remain intact and it would be divided in literally thousands of different states, possibly warring one another for stupid reasons.
Think about France, for example, there are basques, gascons, occitans, bretons, franks and normans. Each of them maybe not the normans would want to seccede from the franks, if you were to follow that principle.

There is a fucking thread on this:

Sheeeit.

what about this one?

MODS, referendum is tomorrow, get one sticky

No. Francoism. .
The OP in this thread explains it fairly well.

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Written so well, that's what I wanted to know but didn't. Can it be fixed democratically without independence or Spanish citizens did not reach that point of society which makes them care?

Doesn't the Spanish government have an army ready to go down in Valencia just in case?

Holocausto Catalan Quando?

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wew, those aren't tanks

Depends on the Spanish and Catalan police. I think the Catalan government has played 5d chess there. They knew the Spanish president is a complete moron and his actions would benefit them so they just let him play his part so that they would be "pushed" to do the referendum.

If people go and vote massively then Puigdemont will resume negotiations… and ultimately declare independence if the government really fucks up. If that happens, PP and PSOE, the main parties of the bipartidist ((democracy)) in Spain will suffer a massive loss of face all over Spain and thus get severely BTFO. during the Spanish election

If people don't go to vote or NO wins then Puigdemont will anticipate the Catalan Elections, where PP and PSOE will get BTFO and Catalan parties will get a surge in votes, also crippling bipartidism.

If people are unable to vote this will fuel independentism even more and divide Spain even further, but it will give more votes to PP and Catalan independentists.

Worst case scenario, protests get violent, with or without infiltration, and shit hits the fan. You get to watch the beatings from home.
Guardia Civil and Mossos (Spanish and Catalan forces of order) have their reputation at stake, that's for sure. People will keep their eyes on them. No matter whether voting ends up happening or not, a non-violent happening where order is kept would make our police forces look based in the eyes of many. Not everyone who is going to vote tomorrow will vote YES.

don't you think it goes beyond that?
All the media and the useful idiots are pushing this so hardly, it's clear that (((they))) are trying to divide Europe

EU=/= Europe. The more EU is divided the freer Europe will be.

europe is already conquered dumbass.

do it. shatter italy back to the 18th century, nothing of value will be lost

why? it would kicstart spain to get productive.

I am posting these videos to show that the only reason that Spain isn't like Poland is because of the already established government. There's still hope.

I never even mentioned the (((EU))).
I'm trying to say that the more europeans hate each other, the better for them.
It's important for europeans to be united, not as part of some globalist organization, but as friendly nations who share the same blood. Dividing Europe only benefits the jew.

Someone summarize what is this independence thing about? What is their motivation to seek independence even though they speak spanish?

If they just want economic special privileges this is retarded way to do it.

do you think their vote will still count towards spain's elections?

I want them to secede so that other secessionist movements can gain steam from seeing it happen in a modern white country.

Provided independence would happen, Catalonia would be yet another friendly nation who shares the same European blood. By wanting a "United" Europe you're wanting what we currently have. A big government who doesn't care much about what happens to Spain or Hungary or whenever as long as they can still remain in charge.

This thread does a good job at it.

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Incredible.

most of them don't speak spanish though.
They have very little historical reason to be independent, it has to do with the Spanish government's policies that have negatively affected Catalonia, it's a "we can do better by ourselves" feeling.
And of course the kikes are taking advantage of this, they want europeans divided to conquer them later. That's why the (((media))) and the commies support the catalans

So we would go from a big government who doesn't care, to a small government that doesn't care, Catalonia is the most liberal region of Spain, they're the ones that took the most refugees and are demanding more.
do you currently have all the european people coming together to defend themselves?, like I said, I'm not saying you should be united under one big government, I'm saying you should all be friendly nations that care about each other, that wouldn't be the case with Spain and Catalonia

It's already happening you fucking sperg. You should be saying "keep them divided" or something along those lines.

Catalonian secession might just be the straw that breaks Europe's back. Let the chaos commence

This post screams "I have no clue about Catalonia".
A great majority of Catalans speak Spanish.
The ((media)) also said we put the Catalan anthem at the beginning of schooltime, and again at the end, like we're China-tier or something. It's ridiculous.
People switch to Spanish if they see you don't have a clue of Catalan, it's a matter of good manners.

Spain cannot be united under the current system for the reasons this OP stated.

the tl;dr is that we're a bunch of tribal motherfuckers and centralism doesn't work for all of us. Bourbonic Spain was a big deal, and many Spaniards didn't take that well. That's why Roman Iberia was united. It was never Iberia but the Roman regions in Iberia.

Scottish Secession 2: Electric Boogaloo

Their "national independence" movement only has steam because they are butthurt beyond reason that the rest of Spain does not shares their psychotic post-modernism at the level that is "acceptable in ourtheir diversinclusive multicultural society".

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But Scotland voted for its independence, didn't they?
For the reasons stated above, the Spanish government fuels separatism.
If they truly wanted to eliminate independentism they would have allowed the vote, improved the conditions of the Catalans and in 5 years the main Catalan parties would have lost a referendum and effectively JUSTed themselves like the Scottish National Party did. The Catalan independentist parties knew that, and so they baited Mariano Rajoy into what we have now. Which I believe is a good thing.

The Bongs didn't declare the Scottish Independence illegal and send police to crack down on the polling places.

I wonder if (((they))) will allow it

It's as if the Scots got such delicious foreign cock in their asses in the 18th century, they just can't live without it now. They're the perfect mark for Jews.

In all probability yes.
They need Spain weakened in the EU and they need it dramatically weakened.
Mostly because the only way they're ever going to get Britain for certain is if they break up the UK.
If Scotland can be taken peacefully, then England and Cymru will fall.
But Spain will never allow an independent Scotland to join the EU, so Spain must lose Catalonia then be consumed by its other separatist movements.
Then Scotland can be enticed into leaving the UK with a guarantee of EU membership.
Then EU troops can be placed in Scotland.

Politically speaking the Scot will always take the opposite stance to the Englishman.
It is literally how they define themselves.

Fun factoid on that map.
The yellow patches in Cymru can be explained with three things.
Cardiff, paddies and universities. Note the two large splotches on the western coast. A string of universities can be found in the middle of them on the coast.
The ones on the south are fucking Cardiff. Which is essentially a city that likes to pretend its London.

The Scots seemingly hate the English so much they'd rather align with foreign hordes then with their neighbors. This isn't the first time, it's an old conflict between Celtic Druid and Germanic Warp.

After the devastation of WWII and Modernism, the bad blood between Germanic and Celtic and Brythonic must be acknowledged and accepted and proactive steps must be taken by all three to move forward togethher, or they will perish as a whole.

You will see the English nuke continental Europe if they start playing those games.

Lmao.

"soldiers"
what fuckin soldiers?
The "spainish Army" wtf is that?
NATO troops …. I got bad news for you all, there is absolutely no fucking way NATO troops are going to start killing EU citizens, that will never happen until WW3 is starting, cause thats what it will start
plenty of cops and soldiers suppport the cataloian independence bullshit, so its not like these commies wont have a chance in hell

personally I dont give a fcuk, im in Canada, but I have been watching this for a while, and said a long time ago that the WW3 will kick off when a group within Europe decides to declare itself independent, particularly if its muzzies establishing thier fucking "caliphate", and catalonia is full of muzzies, its definitely a region to watch

this could be it boys, the straw that breaks the camels back, EU is already fucked and going down, regions trying to break away are symptoms of that, there will be more of this shit not less

either way its good for us, cause we need a purge, its time to cut out the cancer, and hopefully these shitheads go full commie/caliphate and give EU a taste of whats coming, it might just be the awakening we need

oh FFS I sincerely hope this horseshit should have ended by now
WTF is wrong with you people, the scottish english and irish are going to have to fucking pull together for once in a thousand years or they are going to be destroyed
from a scottish irish english mutt living in canada
you people better pull your heads out of your asses, your being invaded by niggers and muzzies and jews are fucking your daughters …. maybe its time to bury the hatchet …. in mustafas head!

I'll bury his head in cheeseburgers.

this coming week
i expect everyone to do their part

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Easteregg for non spaniards.
Look at second 13 for maximum leftist butthurt, i can feel the heat from here.
That's the town hall were the commie leftards rule(see rapefugees welcome)and that's the fashy spanish anthem of francoist spain.
P.S.
I went to the barcelona equivalent since there was a pro spanish meeting,I didnt participate simply lurked around,when i left there were some drunk untermensch there,but it was funny to watch the absolute asspain they were causing to all the pro catalonian fags,i saw lots of pic related faces.
I also followed some guys going out of the Palau de la generalitat to try and listen to their conversation but nothing to report on,basically some minor town halls in catalonia might declare independence or some shit like that.

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Mostly agree

99,99%commies,so much so you if you say you're pro spain they call you fashy,not a lot of fashy goyy with pro catalonian views.

As a fucking LEAF you have no right to criticize any one else's army.

That was why there was an importance set for not allowing non-Germanic peoples into the US and segregating the two peoples already there, like in Britain and once in Frankenland. It is at the core of the wars fought between the two, there's really only two now, the use of the Jew or Black as a weapon against the Germanic or the wiping out of the Celtic by Germanic helps neither each other but making our enemies powerful.

It is an old conflict but there was a time when the two peoples were combined for all purposes. Incoming foreigners caused dissent, one side, the Celtic, said we could learn all from these others and it would be fine if their ideas and people became our own we'd always remain in power and how well that went for a time, the other side, Germanic, said there was nothing to these others and we don't need anything from them but were brought low by this. Both holds have proven wrong, a combination of the two is sorely needed. A kind of Germanic-Celtism which I believe the young concept of White is becoming naturally.

Think there is a chance of revolt and eventual Spanish war 2.0?

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The good thing about the referendum is that it puts the EU in a critical situation. If they support one, the other will get buttmad.

Another possibility is a negotiated reunification to a truly federated state

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Welcome to Donbas 2.0
Faggot commies want to seceede causing the the country to turn Fascist.

youtube.com/watch?v=n0ZV0nBHvKQ
Tim Pool Streaming live.
Get comfy lads.Armed police everywhere.

"Stupid ZOG! You make me look bad!"

There won't be any referendums you dumb nigger. It's all a power play for more state gibs.

Best stream youtube.com/watch?v=WPYd7jmWTEs

Nice Trips, but not available in the US.

Spanish Civil War 2.0

It was an ebin joek, there's a race in Montmelo, Barcelona.

The same thing as the last time.

Lads this brought tears of joy to my eyes.

twitter.com/CataloniaHelp2/status/914131859654639616

Sorry it wouldn't embed

Sauce please?

"Police came into the school and stole the ballots before leaving"

SO WE'RE WINNING AGAIN

DO IT

Shit is getting real. Riots, beatings, shootings, firemen fighting police, only 73% of polling stations open, and the largest telecommunications center seized by police.

God damn it

Let's hope the Great European Civil War starts today.

lol it really is the 1930s all over again.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Found chochoł

anyone got a non-pozzed stream?

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It's like they want to loose

Sigh, Spaniards are literal, and I mean literal retards.
Let's see, the referendum has no legal basis according to Spain, so basically all these protesters are doing is an arts & crafts session involving putting pieces of paper into plastic bins.

Do you:
A) Ignore them
b) Beat old women

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Bonus round:
C) Beat old women until pic related

when did spain have a color revolution funded by soros and the CIA?

wheres hitler and whos germany?

Is this accurate?
twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/914432249562648576

Partly.
The Spain of today is Franco's Spain. Nothing has really changed (including their room-temperature IQ apparently).
The more recent troubles are due to the financial crisis which Spain has failed to address, allowing EU banksters to rob the country blind

Yes.

catalonia wants to leave because they could function on their own instead of being milked by the rest of spain and because ethnically, the "spanish" identity is very weak there.
similar to italy, that got united in like 1800s and now northern rich regions want to seccede because the rest of shitskin desert italy is leeching off them.

god i hope they seccede

spanish goverment is on fulltime damage control

Underrated. This is exactly the (((keikoku)))
keikoku means 'plan' btw

[ ] ignore referendum so nothing will happen
[x] send in the riot police to beat the everloving crap out of old people

and by damage control you mean the polar opposite, right?

dat curbstomp kick tho

if they show that on Tv, isn't it going to fuel rage and rise the risk that the undecided will go to vote to leave?
it seems counterproductive

That's why they aren't showing this on Spanish TV. Maybe they'll show the "not so bad ones" and call it a day.

Aesops Fables strikes again.

Remember this event, anons. This is what happens when a populace without strength of arms and the will to kill attempts a "peaceful revolution". They are brutally put down.

We seceded from Britain by slaughtering them in armed combat. If you are not prepared to do the same you cannot gain your independence, no matter how righteous you believe your cause to be. This world is governed by strength, by power, and by action.

no i mean damage control.
if catalonia leaves with its GDP, industry, trade etc spain is gonna be on EU welfare for decades.

Did they forget about the internet?

You're onto something but not quite. They are purposefully doing it to fuel the conflict by:
1. Fueling the secessionist in situ via police brutality.
2. Keeping the rest of the country oblivious to it so that the response will be seen as irrational and unnecessarily reactionary.

Today Catalonia won't be independent, but it marks the beginning of the purposeful escalation that leads to it.
This is a long play that leads to violent secession. They are counting on making the conflict as painful as possible to keep the debt machine well oiled and have plenty of opportunities to kill off some politicians' careers in the process.

The pieces on the board never make the decisions.

And Catalonia will take Spain's current spot in the hierarchy.

The undecided stays home because he doesn't want to get his face bashed in to participate in a meme vote.

It's whatever the Imkampfy shitskin mongol turbo-kike mods want you to think it is.

In case you ain't noticed yet, the mods are anti-whites (jews, freemasons, CIA and non-white) laughing at every pol/ak to their faces openly every single fucking day on Holla Forums

As long as you do what the jews tell you to do, the mods will leave you alone

neither

That's a symbolic act, the real referendum is more in line with this.

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on whats going on right now, the live streams have all died down

At least 337 have been injured due to police violence.

Spanish people are dumb

The international following of this is so retarded it's almost infuriating

Worst thing is, this is only being pushed by catalonian turbo jews who want to break all ties from the central goverment and do whatever they want. The solution is a complete government reform, not this blatant attempt to take more power from the goverment

Again
What did they expect, the police would just give up and turn around? Not to mention 337 comes from the catalonian goverment who obviously want to be the victim

t.spaniard

All they had to do was declare the silly act invalid like they did before

Agreed, I'm not defending it they could've just let it happen watch the no win and then arrest the perpetrators, all I'm saying is that playing the victim is their only political argument on the separatist side right now

No shit

How they differ from the average run of the mill antifa?

I still don't understand the rationale in not just letting them succeed if they want to.

How do you know they are a minoritybif you don't let them vote?

Playing the victim is pretty easy when you have videos of old women being beaten bloody.

Ive skimmed the manifestos of the Catalan politicians justifying their stances on the referendum (translated to English) its literally a Communist circlejerk fuckfest.

Are all Spanish politicians this fucking stuck up and incoherent?

What if they were asking for it? Can old women throw rocks at police with impunity?

This clarifies some things. Chances of imprisonment on members of the catalonian government? Political prisoners are a problem, but every day that Puigdemont stays as president after this is a fuck you to the central government and he's not going to give up his position.

You grant them the vote and its an implied endorsement of the Commies that Catalonian independence is a legitimate issue that warrants government attention.

A fformal declaration of illegality backed up and enforced legally may be bad optics in the short run but in the long run it puts the issue beyond doubt.

They were pulling people out of a building for hosting their voting/polling party. They had every right to be there. The Spanish are morons

You're still not answering the question.
Why force them to be a part of Spain if they don't want to be?

Because its been Spanish territory for over 600 years.

And secondly the US didn't allow the Union to dissolve so why should Spain have need to pay heed to separatists?

muh constitution
It's not the voting, but the people behind it the problem
Not even the independent polls show any sort of majority, they know it, they just want to make noise to pretend it's important and to cause more unrest

From catalonian polls, even though they are inflated, they count the supporters and the manifestation body count around the couple of million (whereas it used to be 4 to 5 a few years ago)
Again, notable but not enough to make it an independent nation

YES
You cannot imagine the surreal political landscape in Spain, the right is left-centrist but takes far right stances on some things, while the left are turbo sjw tier communists

It is impossible to say. Any legal source including the goverment claims his actions are plain illegal and he's blatantly shown he's the main culprit of this. But the entire system is so corrupt and twisted he might just get away with it like nothing happened

A nation is not made out of soil, but of blood.
The Catalans are not Spaniards.

The Catalans were subjects of Aragon that is all that needs to be remembered. They have enjoyed 600 years of Spanish governance for better or worse. They are first and foremost Spanish and second Catalan.

No one is spaniard, if you want to break down Spain into medieval kingdoms/different cultures you could make around 8 new nations inside the peninsula

Old woman was injured by itself. She fell down the stairs.

Kikes want to confuse foreign people.

They use a flag with a star, a masonic symbol. The truly Catalonia's flag hasn't star.

SPAIN WILL PREVAIL!!! CATALONIA WILL PREVAIL!!! CATHOLIC KINGS DID NOTHING WRONG!!!

That's for them to decide.
And that's what this referendum is about.

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Good luck amigo. Our politicians are imbeciles but not fundamentalist radical Communists. One you can mitigate the other, you throw out of helicopters.

Fuck Catalonia tbh.

haaretz.com/world-news/catalan-leader-predicts-independence-in-about-two-years-and-close-friendship-with-israel-1.468285

Franco was a faggot, de Rivera should have won.

Not sure if Kurdish shitposter or just stupid.

The referendum is illegal. The courts have shot it down, the central government has shot it down and there isn't consensus for it even amongst the Catalan politicians let alone the Catalan public.

This is the Commies ramming their agenda down people's throats disguised as an "independence issue"

Not the point.

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They are hispanophobic, they are changing any official text, school textbook, etc from spanish to catalan just because they dont like it. They refuse to speak spanish and you cant attend school/university if you dont know catalan. It's an easy us v them tactic to rally people

Large-scale resistance against the state, that will be interesting.

Hopefully, Spain will go bankrupt and trigger The Happening.

You're just not getting it, you Arab halfbreed

Rivera supported Hitler. For this reason, Franco handed Rivera to communist. The German government tried to save him, but it was impossible.

Against their will!

He was also a jew

Kys

… really?

Spaniards, you are truly fucking morons.

You see egalitarian worshipers think this right is fundamentally inalienable. But history demonstrates that it is not universal and selectively applied for less than noble reasons.

Whether to fragment Serbia as in Kosovo or Russian intervention in Georgia for Abkhazi and South Ossetia or Crimea. But when it comes to the US they fought a civil war to destroy any talk of session and State's rights to secede which has far more legal basis than the mythical concept of an ethno nation state. The US is still hostile to the Crimean annexation.

Back to Holla Forums with you fuckface.

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Why would they want to use that half-Arabic language anyway?

Good.

Catalonia is not Spain, European Mexico don´t deserve a single gib from them either.

Confirmed CIA nigger.

Why are there so many communist apologists here in Holla Forums? Get the fuck out.
t. Catalan

Watcha doing Rabbi?

Friendly reminder: Spain encouraged muslims to enter Europe. Scolded Hungary for closing it's border to immigrants. And defended muslims even when they committed terror attacks during this summer!

Falling apart? Get cucked? Remain with their mudslimes?

I say, they had this coming for a long time!

Catalonia is 7% muslim with a 4% national average.

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wat

Get a clue.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-march-refugees-protest-spain-more-160000-people-thousands-catalan-a7587996.html

Not even country in Europe is anti-gun. Far from it.

every*

The only places where you can find commies are in big cities, and even then they are a minority.

It only really boils down to this:

CAN A PEOPLE DECIDE FOR ITS OWN FUTURE?

If yes, so be it. If not what claim of authority does the central government have? Force alone? If so, Catalans should take up arms and nobody would be able to say they're wrong for doing so.

The fact that the central government is actively preventing the voting process with force, which in itself is nothing more than dropping a scribbled piece of paper inside a basket, is utterly insane and I think a good enough reason to want independence ALONE. I really hope they get their fucking independence.

I wouldn't want california to secede either that not means I like and support californian antics and their silly memes, what logic is that.
I bet you support kurdistan.

I want SoCal to secede badly

Spanish police have lost the plot. This is going to cause a huge backlash.

Given the track record of how selective nations have been in supporting independence movements and the recent spate of disastrous (((nation building))) projects.

Its quite obvious the answer is
NO

Don't be silly, user. What could possibly happen?

Catalanfag back with report.
What the fuck were they thinking? The display of force today was insane and theatrical. Guardia Civil has used tear gas, rubber bullets and absolutely out of proportion violence. This was medieval, like when a feudal lord hires foreign troops because they don't give a fuck about that region. This will fuel independentism more than anything. Even Catalan police and firemen, who said several times that they were loyal to Spanish government has confronted them in numerous occasions. It's barbaric.
This has effectively broken Spain and made Catalonia all more legitimate. Worst case scenario, as I said.
Guardia Civil acted like thugs, breaking infrastructure and beating people with no regard for their age. They weren't there to protect anyone. They didn't visit some dangerous hoods because they were pussies.

Been there done that. Not in the mood for that kinda shit I take it.

I don't know what else to expect, user. Wasn't this political structure created out of Franco's suppression? Weren't the Catalonians forced to be part of Spain and adopt Castellano?

I keep making the connection with the Troubles in Northern Ireland and nobody seems to take me seriously. I see the parallels. If Spain doesn't seek a political solution, it's inevitable.

ETA never had popular support, user.

Spainfag here, this is interesting, before the whole Catalonia business, Spanish patriotism wasn't all that high, but now it's through the roof, and I think I know why just now.

You see, from the roman times to contemporary, the Spanish people have been jumping from one conflict to the other, the Spanish Kingdom we know was created during a 8 century struggle against the Muslims. And years after that, we faced against the British, then the French, then ourselves several times, then after Spain was once more united under Franco, it came down to hunting down Commies to the point that people began volunteering to fight in the Russian front alongside the Axis. Then after Franco's death came a time of relative peace with no grand conflicts to speak of, but now that Catalonia is shitting the bed, we're all uniting once more to fuck something else up.

Let's face it, we're conflictive people, it's in our blood, specially back in the day, Spanish warriors were considered some of the best Europe had to offer, all the way to WWII.

If you have any more details do tell. Sounds like they went in like prison guards at Attica

I think that the best they can get is the same status the basques have. The whole issue is that catalans are butthurt about the fact they have to give money to the rest of their compatriots.
But more importantly something should be clear, Catalonia is a leftist paradise they are one could say Spain's California. I mean they organised pro muslim events after the last terrorist attack, attacks that they knew were coming and didn't report to the central police.

Will civil war errupt ? It's unlikely, we will maybe see somekind of clone of the basque independance party form (think a few terrorist attacks). Appart from that since EU backed down it support of Catalonia and that France is supporting Spain a NATO intervention is very unlikely.
What could change the general issue would be a massive propaganda campaign by leftists medias arround the word.

Now the real question to ask is why do (((they))) support it ?

And what makes you think the Catalan movement is a popular movement? If it were popular Northern Island would have been surrendered already.

Might have something to do with fighting muzzies for 800 years

2M people marched, out of a population of what, 11M?

2milllion participated in a vote out of an eligible electorate of 11million?

How is that democratic to force a minority opinion on the majority?

Truly makes you think.

The population is actually 7,5M

Here is why :

archive.is/YeF7u#selection-387.0-392.0

Well then, even more so!

This is true. If it's not the Romans it's the Moors, Brits or French. If we have a common enemy we stick together. But Rajoy has put the Spanish against the Catalans. This has broken Spain beyond repair. Whatever happens I hope the retards in the central government pays. They are more guilty than CiU or ERC

archive.is/ebkmf#selection-1665.0-1668.0

Looking from the outside-in (I'm only 1/4 Spanish) I'd have to agree. The crackdown was moronic and I have to question the motivations behind it!

More so what? Its a minority opinion.

This is straight outta Homage to Catalonia

Dude, it's hard enough to get a spaniard off his ass when you pay him, let alone get him to march. 2M people? Holy hell, I don't think even the civil rights marches in the US were that big

Is that a specific reference?

It was an election not a march.

The motivations are making Spain go full patriotic while sacrificing Catalonia, as it doesn't give them votes. They both just want votes and to hide their corruption, as I said yesterday. The Catalan government, from a position of weakness, is smarter and acted more carefully. Let's see where this leads, but this makes all of Spain look like human livestock.

That's the thing, if you're going to do this just skip to declaring independence unilaterally. What exactly is independence and why do they need spanish permission to get it? I can declare my house an independent nation right now, but I have to pay taxes to the nation that tells me I'm not or I get imprisoned and if I resist maybe murdered.

People are way too hype about civil war but things can stay

lol that wordfilter

Were I them I'd take some of those 2M people who marched and chain them to the buildings when the next ballot is announced

No. The small but notable support was on the YES side. But people who wanted to vote YES or NO were there. Some of my friends fucking hate the Catalan language and wanted to remain in Spain, but still they wanted to go and vote because they believe Catalans have the right to do so.
They were raising their hands all the time, even on the images where you can see the police retreating, people advance towards them with their hands up.

*things can stay "calm" for a long time with a couple politicians getting killed each year.

Very similar events happened in Barcelona during the Civil War

What I'd do is do like Italy or France and stop paying shit until the government decides to act like a civilized country. If all the people protesting out there decide to stop paying then the central government is fucked.

So is "Homage to Catalonia" an event or movie or what?

Based on the emotional low-IQ responses I'm reading on cuckchan, the strategy is working. Nobody is talking about the reasons some people in Catalonia want independence and they just go on about how it isn't legal blah blah constitution blah blah I welcome the civil war to expunge communists blah blah

It's an Orwell book about the Spanish Civil War, at least you could jewgle it.

Let em fight, might as well try to use this opportunity to profit via ((security)) firms.

Book Orson Wells wrote about his experiences in the civil war when he was a corporal in the POUM

Were they also screaming BRAINS?

Yeah, that's the saddest part. Even if war ensues it won't be us against them, it will be us against us. Then whoever wins will be easier to control. It's outrageous, makes me want to go full hermit innawoods.

That was Genova and Hungary. The latter haven't arrived.

it was written by Hemingway, you nigger.
you got the plot right, at least.

You need to be shouting for a political solution from the rooftops before your country goes full sectarian

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

You got brainwashed by the MSM, catalan boi.
You have a right to decide for your own future, but you have to work around the legal framework. If there isn't one, you need to create it first.

They could've campaigned to create a legal way of doing this. Instead, you got brainwashed by bloodthirsty jews to do it "a las bravas". You are stupid.

Nigga Catalonia has been trying to create that exact scenario (like in 2014) but Spain keeps ignoring them

You made me doubt but no.

Fuck. You are right. I've actually read the book convinced it was hemingway. what a wanker.

apologies, user

Then your campaign is shit. In no way is that justification for doing stupid shit like this.

What kind of retarded logic is that? Fucking braindead half-niggers.

The solution would be a decentralised system with the dismantling of EU as a common goal. We can't have actual progress without appealing to herd mentality.

Shit dude, you must be one of those 2012 survivalists. Was it hard to live last 5 years in a bunker?

More like

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Question here

The only thing I've seen so far is Spanish Policeman manhandling a bunch of weak cucks pacifists.

Could Catalonia people start being violent (terrorism or whatever) after all this violence or whey will stay a bunch of cucks ?

We're not there yet but if this continues it's inevitable.

What kind of government dick sucking logic are you running on? Laws only matter if they are enforced and followed by people either voluntary or at gun point, if they are not then it's just worthless writing on paper. The Catalan people can succeed then when they have no government immediately make a government and whatever laws they hack together up and it's a government. Refusal to recognize it as such is politics by the EU to desperately hold itself together from breaking apart.

If the US gave the Catalan people guns they'd have a lot more weight then they've ever had to enforce their own right to rule.

The spanish government wants catalonia's people to be violent. If they proclame independence with violence the catalonians may be independent, but Spain wins. If they are pacificst and Spain doesn't let them vote and be independent Catalonia wins.

You're definitely dreaming, user.

So Homage to Catalonia is half autobiography, half political commentary. In it he goes into detail about seizing telecommunications as being one of the first acts you do when trying to dominate a region by force. Franco's people at one point did this and then the fierce fighting started.

It's my understanding that Orwell got inspiration for 1984 because he saw the betrayal the commies committed against anarchists. It's actually a common occurrence in that time, where leftists band together then the comrades turn around and execute the more radical members once asserting control.

Thanks. I understand the principle of using violence would be easier to crush Catalan independence, but would it be better if the violence originates from Catalan people ?

From what I see there, 99% of the violence is made by Spanish troops for now. I might galvanize the other side to a "Righteous" fight.

Let's start with reality: Most catalans don't really give a fuck about independence. They're a vocal minority and (I live in barcelona) I wouldn't be surprised if they're being funded by the usual suspects.

Most pro-independentism catalonians I've met are full on pro-faggot, feminists, pro gender bullshit, anti-fa, etc. The whole leftie card deck.
None of them have been able to explain just "why" they should be independent from the rest of country nor give ration arguments or a plan of action.
This is just mass-agitation and it really smells rotten. Don't forget there huge corruption scandals in high political spheres here in Catalonia and this is a perfect smoke-screen.

It would be better if people on both sides would stop being manipulated into going at war with each other so the real crooks in government and banking wouldn't get away with robbing the country blind

I can see it happening. If that happens I just hope they don't target Spanish people and instead target corrupts. Got a lot of friends all around the peninsula.

Trump stayed neutral. The US's response was "We're with Spain's Unity but violence is not the answer."

All the debt to the EU can be kicked off to Spain, it's not hard to figure out.

How organized is the independence movement? Is there solid enough leadership to maintain a peaceful protest, even if they're being whacked upside the head? Ghandi-style?

What were the 2M people marching for? They can't all be antifa whackadoodles

It was Orwell you goddamn illiterate plebs.

As an aside: it's actually a very confusing book. He hardly knows who he's fighting for and against, much less does the reader. My only takeaway was that he spent most of the war looking for tobacco—no wonder he died of TB.

And his nonfiction is so much better than the fiction he's famous for (1984, Animal Farm). I highly recommend Down and Out in Paris and London and all of his shorter literary nonfiction (Shooting an Elephant, A Hanging). He also wrote a book about his service in Burma.

Not to mention all the confusion and disinfo over that secret blacklist he turned over when he died.
Bonus trivia: Allen Dulles produced the Animal Farm cartoon and changed the ending so the pigs didn't turn into people and communism didn't seem so bad.

Pic related is their logo.

Welcome to pol. At least DNA doesn't lie.

heh, I remember that difference between the book and cartoon!

fucking disinfo agents people comparing this to ukraine independence how can somebody sell it's integrity OH WAIT MAYBE BECAUSE THEY HAD NONE TO BEGIN WITH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

LOL and now Spanish riot cops are beating up firemen who tried to keep the two groups apart.

Fucking awesome!

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You want to get your fingers broken as they throw you down the stairs? That's some degenerate BDSM shit.

and get all those tax shekels that go to Madrid, of course, yes, but most people don't realize this isn't about -them-, it's about the few families that control catalonia economically.

bloom

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In this board, more like.

t. Primary Example

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you dissapoint me, son

Man, look at those optics

Those familiar with the history of revolutions will know what that means.

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BRUTAL POLEESH is why I support the Republic of New Africa.

You get the baton and you get the baton and you get the baton, everyone get the baton.

465 injured now

We need to reach 1488

Exactly my point. I'm not defending anyone. I'm just saying that if you break the law, regardless of you considering it just or not, expect to be reprimanded.

The police did nothing wrong.

see

The "independence movement" does not exist. Emotionally-driven faggots such as

are being used to further an (((agenda))) that is going to fuck them in the ass as much as anyone else.

That is not "most". Thus most catalans don't give a fuck about independence. Only about 2M of them seem to.

Fuck off back to hispachan already.

How do you expect to be treated if you break the law?

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2 million out of 5 million, and not everybody got out to the street, fag.

These people aren't starting fights user. They're putting little slips of paper into plastic bins. Have some perspective

With the law on your side or not, you cannot beat your own citizens like that for the actions of a few in the government, moreso when they act exemplarily. Firemen and Catalan policeman were trying to calm things while Guardia Civil was beating them. This is shameful for all of Spain and for all of our people. If you were half as patriotic as you claim to be you would be demanding not just that Puigdemont ceases, but also Rajoy.

The incompetence, brutality and disrespect I saw today should not remain unpunished, and it's the hand of the Spanish people that should take action, not just Catalans.
Were where you when the Central Government broke the law and then changed it to suit its needs? Were you justifying their actions as you do now? It's so hypocritical it's disgusting.

You keep saying the same, we keep saying the same . The solution to this would be to talk about it and solve things, but instead you advocate for violence like the worthless nigger you are. Is this country really that lost? If so you do not deserve the chance of a civil war, instead you deserve to fall in the hands of those who rule over you.

Sure you can, anarchist squatters are beaten all the times to clear them from the private buildings they occupy illegaly.

genuine question. If the law was created by a civil war, wouldn't another civil war make the new law right?

The Catalan referendum could be a major boost for a movement AGAINST a unified army of the European Union.

Imagine an EU army.
Imagine a country trying to leave the EU.

Good memes about it can quickly viralize.

This user gets it

Finally some good idea. This.

But today it was a symbolic referendum, a massive demonstration as a protest for the government's incompetence.
Should we do like in the old 80's?
The first protest would be peaceful and people would get beaten
The second protest people would carry with them hammers, helmets and shields and hey would let the police in at first, then smash them.
There would be no need for a third protest.
Is this the only way of doing things you know?

Why you assume that breaking the law is a right? Non autorized protests/occupations are dealt by riot police all the time all over the world.

Cops are driven out

twitter.com/VilaWeb/status/914526735072399360

Galician here. I feel ya, catabro. Both sides are a bunch of horrible faggots that just want to avoid real issues while blaming others, which is the staple of Spanish politics in this fucking day and age. But Catalonian politicians would gladly give away their sovereignity to the EU just to have those sweet EU aid bux to mantain their politicians afloat.

I really wish we had a competent political party around, but everyone is so fucking retarded i just don't want to vote because i will, in one way or another, endorse a fucking retard to rule our country. Hell, i even agred with one catalan friend of mine who wants independence just to not be ruled by those filthy retards in the Moncloa. And who wouldn't?

I'm lucky to live here, where politicians are a bit more competent than average, but they still suck ass. I wish you the best, catabro, and may the Emperor shine upon you.

I screencapped your posts, gotta open some eyes on this, because everyone is acting like fucking chimps and not seeing the bigger picture

Bullshit. Catalonia amounts for a very large amount of Spain's GDP. That is the main reason Spain does not let go.

Catalonia has a good chunk of Spain's GDP, as well as most of the industry, but they are also one of the most indebted communities in Spain with a yearly deficit of 5% of their GDP, wich is roughly 12 million eurobux per year.

They produce a lot, but they also require a lot of funding to stay afloat

Wow, that's neat.
The logos on the bonnet of the cars are neat too.

Negotiations were the right thing to do and he has had ten years to do so. Mariano Antonieta believing that he is untouchable and can do anything he wants is the other side of the coin, but worse. I haven't seen a worse disaster for Spain ever since Fernando VII.

Thanks, hope we get a government who truly cares someday.

I'm also not European so as far as I'm concerned it's Commies A vs Commies B. If A wins then the EU remains, if B wins then the EU is dieing some more.

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Where is the Holla Forums where the fascists hang?

As much as anyone can hope, i'm terribly crestfallen about it. Even if we get politicians that care someday, eventually we will have a whole generation of Zaplanas that will set us back to square one. Is this our curse? It seems that the only person that gives truly a fuck is the king, even if he can't do half a shit.

At this point, i think that only a coup can set things right when everyone is a fucking crook. The best we can hope from what happened now is that the EU sanctions us or kick us out.

Stay safe, catabro. Wish you the best

I've got no idea where to stand on this issue, but the prospect of a Spanish civil war is incredibly promising

If US states cannot secede then there's no way this will.

exit polls?
charts?

Catalan here,

People want indpeendnece.

DEATH TO FRANCOISM.

If shit hits the fan the welfare parasites will leave and the violent thugs will be removed by vigilante groups. The chaos of a civil war would provide the perfect cover for a purge.

It might also be the spark that lights other European countries

If independence wins, a civil war is the only thing we can hope for

I don't think so. I think terrorist attacks need to become an almost weekly occurrence before the race war can begin.

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Lol no. At best you'll get a bunch of braindead thugs removing actual thinkers. Just look at our last civil war. Left and right wing thinkers were the first to go.

Thinkers are horrible people tbh

See RWDS kek unfortunately ZOG forces but most of them being leftards it brings a slight smile

True,spanish government are basically retards,they simply needed to ignore them and call them retards,or simply have a referendum and meme a bit for spain and most pro spanish would have voted for them,instead they brought police had them locked for days in shitty conditions and them release them,now both sides are rightfully pissed.
It's hard to defend spain even being pro spain when spain is full of retards it feels like being a smart nigger in ghetto,you feel nearly always ashamed of your fellow citizens,catacucks included for being cucks.

Do we have any livestreams going on from there? I know its getting late there. We should be getting vote results soon shouldnt we?

Goddamn bootlicker.

Somehow, somewhere, managed to shill Catalonian separatism as nat-soc. Idk how this happened, but it happened, mixed with Julian Assange's public statement made a lot of ignorant aut-right groups to openly shill for separatism by posting "police brutality" against "peaceful nationalist catalan who just want to vote".

I never thought that I would see a real life case of succesful communist subversion that is so fucking obvious, but it happened and I feel sick in the stomach when my warnings get ignored. I had a Catalan commie friend and I know all about it.

Opportunists taking over ensues a purge of decent people, then naturally the worst possible scum rises to the top. The ones who only care about profit, and not even their country's profit.

The movie is Die Nibelungen: Siegfried by Fritz Lang. I don't know the video, it looks like something by Theodiskfolk but I'm not sure.

Go away Woodrow Wilson.

Not commies and not natsocs. Some people who wished to vote were commies, some people who wanted to vote were catalan natsocs. There was a raging autist on cuck/pol/ who genuinely hated Spain.

Most people out on the streets today were average joes. Normal people. And they just went full indepe. I see people everywhere saying "What the fuck I didn't want a referendum to take place, but seeing this I'm voting YES for the next one". Rajoy is a clown.

…have you gone to vote,experiences might differ but the school I went to was basically an antifa headquarters with cat ladies and old remains of the (((spirit of 68)))
Also i love how before it became a cluster fuck of you can go vote wherever you want as you wish,they probably handed out all of our data from the census (padron) etc etc to basically antifa so they could check who goes to vote,and have all the addresses to check who went voting.
Fucking love it.

Catalans want to secede for all the wrong reasons. EU kikes love those Independence movements. Europe full of small constantly bickering states is easier to control. Jews would love nothing more than divide and conquer the goyim while importing niggers to replace him.

CAN'T SPELL RAJOY WITHOUT JOY

I've watched plenty of riots with Holla Forums, and I know you don't stop them by sending in cops to start mercilessly beating everyone in sight.

This. this might look like Holla Forums's wet dream from the outside, but it's only jews jewing and useful idiots.

hell, if the average catalonian independentist was natsoc I'd be all over this, loving every minute. It is not. It's just commies jewing for making Spain an (even) weaker state.

exactly, even right wingers are supporting their independence while the kikes are having a party, the weaker europeans states are the better for them

If Catalonia leaves Spain, it becomes another puppet nation of the EU, while another nation becomes ballkanized.
In any case nothing changes for the EU for the bad. How can you not see this?
inb4 spain vetoes, keep dreaming

That's less than half. Thus, most are NOT included in that group. My point stands mathematically proven and you can now take your butthurt ass back to reddit.

Then let me explain something to you and all the other non Europeans in this thread (as well as all the retarded Europeans): what is happening in Catalonia is 100% in line with EU plans and interests.

While the DEMOGRAPHIC end goal of the EU has already been laid out by Kalergi and is well known on Holla Forums, the POLITICAL end goal of the EU is the dismemberment of nations into "Euroregions" all ruled by Brussels. When people talk of the "United States of Europe", that's what they refer to. This is also why the EU pushes minority "languages" in every European country and why there are things like the EGTC's or the completely illegitimate regional embassies. Everything the EU does (when they're not flooding Europe with third worlders or selling out European economies to the chinks) is dismembering European nations via backdoors, some of which I just mentioned.

Pic related is what the EU has planned for Catalonia. So not only is Catalan independence only temporary and thus futile, it's not just Spain which is concerned by this referendum but also France.

I know, right?
Holla Forums is defending literal jews, jew-funded faggots and libshits today. WEW

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This.
I can't believe people are still falling for this shit.

Yup I think the kiked that posted all those videos of people with RWDS gear stomping leftards hasn't really tuned in with the audience, i basically keked with most of them,I mean for a non bloody commie kicking it felt good.
If it were in the USA and you saw Berkeley popo beating antifa and catladies it would feel fucking damm good.
That being said the spanish gov went balls deep full retard taking the worse course of action.
I'm but a simple man,I love my happenings so I don't dislike it but I guess it will die out.

Thank you. If this whole thing has shown something to be clear is that everyone in this place and everyone who has aspirations of having an opinion of their own on anything should first take care to DEPOLARIZE themselves, and stop judging situations by how they make them feel instead of thinking about them.

In a different world I would be glad and supporting of any movement for Catalonia or any region with a distinct and shared culture to become independent.
But Catalonians are being manipulated through their emotions.

As stated above and in the government is probably in on it. This whole thing is an operation by the (((EU))) in order to bring more NWO pieces into place.

(((EU banksters)))

I'm prolly asking the wrong user but what proof is there of this?

Yea I'm asking the wrong user.

Honestly, seems like the truth of it all. Why shouldn't they want to leave? The EU is corrupt and wants to see their end and the Spanish government is complicit in this while taxing the living shit out of them. I'd want to leave if I were a commie/natsoc or just a regular taxpaying citizen too.

Please, read
I'm sorry, Catalan-bro, but you're being a useful idiot by defending what's happening. Don't worry, though, Catalonia will end up being (((independent))). You or your children will have plenty of time to worry later.

"""failed to address"""

Hello putinbot, do you have a USSR flag in your room ?

I'm not catalonian though. My argument is if it's to happen it's going to happen regardless of how much you shitpost on a bangladeshian pranayama breathing forum. If the user you quoted is correct then time will prove him so but right now I'm not counting out that he's wrong or that things may turn out differently than what (((they))) want. I really don't hope I have to deal with anons like you, with suck snarky and derisive commentary. Even if you may be correct, your manners warrant the rope.

ftfy

Correct, but the color revolution didn't happen in Kviv.

Since you're adressing me: I'm correct. I'm quoting an official EU policy (which is active since 2004) from an official EU site and the stuff about Euroregions, minority "languages" and bullshit embassies is all common knowledge and easily verifiable.

Also, for those who actually care to learn about the perfidiousness of the EU, there are some extremely, extremely detailled and perfectly sourced documentaries and articles which explain the EU's tricks (how they dismember nations but many other subjects as well) which can be found on the web. There are several authors but the best one is a French dude called Francois Asselineau, a former political functionary and graduate of the French elite universities ENA and HEC.

I have. It didn't look different from a general election except for one thing: things were slow. The tables were filled, I saw some neighbors and we voted. There was but a single cop outside. Then again, I'm not at the heart of Barcelona so things may be different from one place to another. I know Mas was full of shit and Puigdemont sees this violence as a success, but beyond that there are a lot of people who are just tired.

Look at the videos with the guardia civil. Are our policemen antifa? Our firemen? No. What is worse is that people from all over Spain not only don't condemn the violence but praise it and claim the police should have gone even further. How is that not promoting division between peoples? It's outrageous that this would even happen. That is why Catalans feel like they don't belong in Spain and that is why things will escalate.

I'm only an asshole online, and only today.
I hope you are right, of course.

you mean "I really hope I don't have to deal…" btw, learn to English, faggot

What are your views on the UN? I've grown fond of Theosophy and the Lucis Trust, even if most "thruth seekers" think they're the literal coming of the antichrist (and despite being globalist-compatible), Blavatsky's teachings are a natural antidote to the international Jew. What are your thoughts?

On the UN, globalist bullshit and partly the root of the west's rapefugee problems through the infamous 1951 "refugee convention".

On Theosophy etc, no particular opinion, never studied the matter.

I'd like to think their values have been co-opted by the Jew, since they don't have any real power. But that might very well be wishful thinking.
Blavatsky's ideas are sometimes criticized for serving as the spiritual roots of the National Socialist movement. If you don't abhor new age spiritualism (true New Age), it warrants a read.

Anticipate to it. You cannot beat them by force. Instead, let Catalonia get out of Spain but keep them out from the EU. They will look for Britain and China as trading partners and the EU will suffer a serious blow. Instead you decide to create this kind of division, thinking our president is some sort of gifted mind.

In truth, he is just corrupt, he seeks only to consolidate his own power and this is precisely what we have witnessed today: not a unifying message but one of a broken Spain where commies and Francoists still remain. That is not the Spain in my history books, and if this is the Spain we have now then I'd rather not have a country but a resistance against this all-consuming globalisation which seeks to suppress all cultures and all heritage.

I voted at a random institute near my workplace since it became a full vote wherever and as many times as you want and i basically felt everyone around me needed some delousing and then some real gas chambers.
I agree that spanish government went full retard they should have either ignore it or simply do a non binding consultation and then meme ing full españoles votemos por una españa unida.
They would have won,and worse case scenario it wasn't binding.
Now they pissed off the catacuck moderates who are full retard with all the pictures,even the leftards from cuck are full muh based mosso when anyone knows they are but dogs and 4 years ago they were beating students and doing violence 3 times as hard during all the strikes and demos back then.

I want independence if only because I praise kek and thrive in his chaos and happenings,i think it's the worse possible outcome for cataluña but then again I'm willing to sacrifice this land to win europe back and im so confident the leftards will win in catalonia and in their incompetence that I'm willing to vote cup since they'll mess things up enough for a far real right wing ourguys party i can stand with,if the price is having to reconquistar the land of my ancestors from the Religion of Cuck™ic hordes the leftards in catalonia are willing to give citizenship to as long as they have been living for 5+ years.
I'm on simply because inaction will be our demise so we must make sure something happens,the fire rises and we become the fire.

Mossos are cucks,catalonian police is with exception of anti terror and some other units basically paperpushers they wanted a political police with no police or military background if possible,you get paper pushers for the most part,about firemen years ago I remember they had a strike and it was the mossos beating them (pic)
And all the commies mentioned how all the hippies from the esplais became firemen while all the bakalas became mossos.
Unfortunately most people have no memory so it's funny to see how they forget events that happened 3 or 4 years ago and even the attacks of a few weeks ago seem like a so distant memory to them.
Fucking kike puppets.

And I do agree with based primo i feel ashamed of most spanish patriotas that are simply brainlets

Catfag here.

We don't use violence because we are a lesser force, we have no army, and we have no way to win a war. As simple as that.

But don't mistake pacifism for weakness. We, unlike the spaniards, are able to bend and adapt. Pride and inmobilism will be spain's misery, for they still try to use tactics no longer useful in this age of information. We move and adapt faster. We did at the industrial revolution and we will now.

And yes, this as just started.

In general, the Spanish are both incredibly retarded and largely left-leaning. Spain is a more homogeneous California with all of the retarded policies and politicians that go with it. I wouldn't be surprised if Madrid completely cracks down on its people with full support of the citizens. Also, I don't consider Catalonia a part of Spain. I see them more in tune with the French than the Spanish.

I'd say Spain has always been retarded. Just look at their record post-1492 and all of the failures they've had since. They crashed the European economy, their Armada got wrecked by a few ships, their inability to keep Mexico after Mexico had already gotten its ass kicked by both the US and France. I'd even say their American empire would have initially failed had disease not cut down the native population. France was far more successful at ruling and there's a reason that French was the global language for so long.

Sure thing.
twitter.com/interiorgob/status/914532366097485824
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Some faggot also tried to use his own son as human shield.
twitter.com/manelok/status/914416446813474816
Pic related.

You have to admit though that it was a very peaceful protest, way more peaceful than 15M.
Can't expect to go walk into some Catalan town where they all know each other and just kick them like they did to city flowers. Here in some godforsaken Spanish town or in Poland, homogeneous towns hit back. There is a single injured Guardia Civil, that I know of. Or at least that was the report at 18:00

From the comment section on imgur. I thought you guys might enjoy.

Looks like a (((democratic referendum.)))

I was watching TV3 and it looked pretty peaceful. Then I took a look at what the opposition had to show. You may say it's cherry-picked but so is the other stuff.
Don't fall for fake news from either side.

Yeah, but why should people of different cultures be forced to live together?
Yugoslavia was destined to collapse because the Globalists wanted to force many people who had not historically lived together into one country. And while I'll grant you Spain is not a new country like Yugoslavia (was) but the Catalonians don't want to live with the rest of Spain. So I can't force myself to support multiculturalism over nationalism.

Besides, the more people start to think of shared community ties based on common blood, the more everyone else will.

Retards can only see the picture they have in front of them,the fact I see people cheering at the very same based mossos that were beating their children as students back then 5 times worse yet since the generalitat didn't meme yet now they see it on TV they think this is like anuda shoah.
Neither all people were peaceful yet most were nor the police went full baton face breaking as they could have,given the amount of interventions and the level of resistance it was mostly nothing,yet everywhere you'll see pics of people getting beaten by refusing to follow police orders,big fucking shock,i remember at plaza catalunya years ago the mossos went charging with tear gas to students and parents with kids yet people will use this as muh oppression and catalonian holocaust,i think Holla Forums of all places should be inmune to muh fee fees,holocausts and realise it's fucking state propaganda free given by retarded spanish goverment and gladly taken by the before scared to shit corrupt politicians.

RESULTS ARE IN : 89% VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE

archive.is/K6X2q

RESULTS ARE IN : 89% VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE

Jesus fuck, even account that a huge portion of the population probably didn't come out to vote, that percentage is fucking HUGE

Even if shit like this and Brexit are just meaningless referendums that go nowhere, it's still a telling sign of the future. Europe is falling apart. History will look back on the European Union as a failed state, a woefully inefficient bureaucracy

Actually I was switching between tv3 and all other channels. I did see people casting stones and also the ones at the fence. The pictures make it look as if they were retreating zombie apocalypse style, but they are actually crossing a fence. People try to push them out, but they don't hit them. Once they're in people raise their hands to keep things peaceful.

I saw some Tekken-tier moves on those videos people posted. These didn't happen to a violent protester or an antifa guy with a brand new Che shirt. Guardia Civil beat and dragged middle aged women and men. This morning I thought that the Guardia Civil would act in a much more civil way, thus focusing on disabling the ballots without going full retard. There was this moment where some faggot brings out his child and some Guardia Civil tells him to get the fuck out, but in a very well carried out procedure. This is what we should have seen today and Puigdemont would have had no excuse to declare anudda shoah, but this is not what happened.

2.3 million votes minus 700k that got caught by the police. Many people I know didn't vote because they didn't want to get beaten, actually, so the numbers in a real referendum would be bigger.

What a cursed existence.

so the numbers in a real referendum would be bigger
And the people that doesn't support the independence and didn't vote?
You don't count them?

The average modern Spaniard is way too hipstered out to fight in a civil war, or to fight anywhere at all, so no worries

breitbart.com/london/2017/09/30/europe-holds-breath-catalonia-prepares-stage-banned-independence-referendum/
The Spanish government enjoys the support of the EU’s unelected executive, with the President of the European Commission warning against “separatist adventures” and asserting that “regional traditions” should not “set themselves as elements of separatism and fragmentation of Europe”.
The EU (cautiously) sides with its EU regime since Spanish bankrupcy could easily cause a chain reaction.

This is the model for those who are serious about fighting off ZOG and the Spanish patriotars that shills this very board with their CIA nigger allies, want Catalonia to remain for the gibs are the exact same as filthy, spoiled DACA "kids" in the USA.

The Fire Rises! Today Catalonia, in a few years, it will be Germany, France and England! Praise Kek!

What the Spanish government is doing is absolutely fucking retarded but comes in extremely handy.

Tell your family and friends that this is the real face of globalism and this may happen to any "democratic" country if people keep pushing the globalism agenda.

They're singing Cara al Sol in Madrid

Civil war when?

it could have easily been a 110% turn out since you could vote as many times as you wanted at different schools and people allowed future catalonians to vote in some cases children voted,also since the apps didn't work you could basically write down your name,vote,go to a different school,vote again and that until you got tired since you could vote at any school.
were it not because most pro unionists didn't bother to vote in a non binding fuckfest they don't believe in and i guess the yes would have won with a 55%in an amazing 150%turnout.

Rajoy is the Lord of the Undead and everyone who doesn't go to vote counts as NO for him.

90% voted yes. If the all voters had voted, let's say 5 million votes instead of 2 we'd still have about 60% independentist votes. Provided this was a real referendum.

Don't tell me PP couldn't have campaigned in a referendum and turned the tables. 60% is not that much. Instead they converted moderates into CATALUNYA TRIOMFANT zealots because they're fucking mad at this point.

Seems legit.

88 SEATS

Even assuming we had the WORST autists involved in the vote, you'd still be looking at a probable 65% YES vote.

This is beautiful. All these normal-looking people who are redpilled on National Socialism.
Is Europe waking up?

FREIHEIT FÜR ALLE NATIONALISTEN

Was in Barcelona 22 hours ago, holy shit this land is full of mudslimes and niggers, not even Frankfurt had so many of them.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WITHIN 48 HOURS, SAYS CATALAN GOVERNMENT.
zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-01/fascism-shocking-footage-spanish-police-shooting-rubber-bullets-brutally-beating-pea

This.

Golden opportunity to attack "democratic" globalism.

Not really, that is most likely a shill.

Unless (((they))) shut it down!

It literally doesn't matter who wins, we still win. The gommies will be doomed as well, the globalists eat them alive because they're useful idiots same as always.

Those guys are further left than even American democrats 10 years ago.

Why would they delay 48 hours?

This is going to be fun.

This is a terrible move that will be of no use to anyone. I CAN'T WAIT.

Gotta draft up a legal document and shit. Or more likely, give the Spanish government time to apologize and change shit to please them.

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I seriously fucking hope they don't.

It's in a tweet I linked. Basically they keep pushing the police en masse to stop them from crossing the fence, which could have made them fall and get injured, and when they finally cross it protesters go full "IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO". Not buying it.

They went for the ballots, but people prevented them from getting in.
In the end as you say this shit just gave Puigdemon his shoah to cry about to the rest of the world.
PP cannot into propaganda. They had the (non-Catalan) press. They had the EU. They had the renewed right-wing momentum in the West. With a good PsyOp it would have been over months ago. Separatism needs to go.

Kek zeroedge has gone full Russian tool.

What did he mean by this?

Joke referendoom

Why?

Globalist want powerless states.
Breaking up states only helps globalism

The referendum wasn't "legal," I believe he's saying it won't be treated with any gravity.

Absolutely. Even years ago. But separatism needing to go… smaller government, easier to pressure by the masses, especially in a relatively homogeneous community. Check Catalonia's votes.

Too quick to vote independence. They should show some signs of goodwill and try to make Rajoy negotiate. They've got Europe on their side, they've got the media on their side and the Catalan people too. If they hasten things up Rajoy WILL have to send in the tanks and shit will seriously go down.

Catalonia is a shit hole filled with leftists and mudslimes. This is a good opportunity to kill leftists.

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Great argument tard.

What do you think would happen should Catalonia become independent? Anything remotely "right-wing" would be deemed Spanish/Francoist thus undesirable. You would have to prepare your ass for hardcore feminism, multiculturalism, antifa, country-approved jihad, lgbt, degeneracy and kikery.

Great argument for the unity of the peoples of Spain. However this proves my point that Iberia is a tribal peninsula and a centralised government needs to go.

Reading comprehension fail.
Globalism wants weaker states so it supports anything that weakens them like separatism.

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They’ve had a successful independence referendum every few years for decades now. Spain has seen this coming since they joined the EU.

What?

Catalonian government is a conglomeration of left and right factions. Before the financial crisis of 2008, the right was in charge of the region. But essentially this has nothing to do with idealism of any kind, its just that the wider Spanish state has often neglected the region of Catalonia. Now those in Catalonia see independence as an opportunity to hold onto their wealth, and to not be attached to the slowing down economy of Spain.

To say that Catalonia is only left or only right is just people inserting their American tier LARPing about the previous civil war into the mix. If there is any one issue that can be attributed as the main reason for independence, it is money.

You have fucking literal antifa in your government and the biggest party is Communists. WTF
This is pure ideological LARPing by leftards.

I get what you mean but let me remind you people are easily manipulated, specially when it comes to making them think they are oppresed/hated.
I have a perceptible Catalan accent when I speak Spanish. In the rest of Spain I've never had anyone even give me a bad look because of it. I've been to military barracks/academies, francoist stores, talked to Legionarios, Guardias Civiles, you name it. Not even once. Fuck the D&C bullshit.

A "conglomeration of left and right factions" doesn't mean centrist, you retard. It means LEFT AND RIGHT FACTIONS. There are literal communists, but there are ALSO far-right mother fuckers.

Second highest unemployment rate in europe after Greece.

You are the only one that has mentioned centrism. I pointed out that you skipped the part that the most important party ERC is leftist and that you have literal antifa in the government supporting independence.

I don't have a perceptible Catalan accent, but I've gotten several smug responses from other people from Spain. North, generally. I hope you're right. In or out of Spain, a good relationship should remain.

Yeah. There is a lot of undeclared work. But hardly a shithole. Could be better, yes.

You can also easily see plenty of raised fists and even some commie flags in the protesters' side. Nobody bats an eye. Imagine if someone waved a NatSoc flag.

They were calling fascistes! to the cops XD

I haven't been to the north since I was a kid, I don't know. What kind of comments did you get? Story time, user.
Even if nothing else happened in the next days, I think relations will be disastrous for the next several months. This is what they wanted anyway.

Consider these stats Holla Forums. Lets call "Spain" as all of it as it stands, and "rSpain" as the rump state of Spain without Catalonia.

Its not much of a difference, but Catalonia represents some 20% or so of Spanish GDP with a below average population, and lower unemployment. National debt of Spain, one of the Pigs bailed out by the EU through German Banks, is over 106.80%.

This matters because who the hell takes care of that national debt? If Catalonia walks away, it spikes to around 133% of GDP per capita. This then would raise the interest rates as it becomes riskier, compounding a financial crisis in Spain even if interest rates didn't change.

tl;dr Catalonia is a big guy, and might be about to crash the eurozone with no survivors

Why do you keep using the term antifa? They are a street organisation, not a political party. Its stupid to compare the Catalonian government to a bunch of people that collectively cannot even define what a fascist is.

But on the brief history of Catalonian politics, its only since 2008 that the leftists have grown in power. When I say that the current Catalonian government is made up of those on the left and the right, it means they are social democrats and social liberals. Even the ERC despite being the furthest left faction under the JxSí, is not extraordinary left. They can be compared to Sinn Fein in Ireland. But all the parties under JxSí support Catalonian Nationalism, despite being both centre left and centre right. Again, compare it to the Irish Republican struggle for Northern Ireland. As well, all these parties merged under the promise of bringing an independent Catalonian state.

The Catalonian people feel neglected by the Spanish government, and especially with the amount of violence that the police have been using against the protestors, its obvious that the results of a referendum would be 90% in favour of Catalonian independence. But this comparison of Spain = Nationalists / Catalonia = Republicans/Leftists is stupid. Catalonians want independence out of preservation for the Catalonian state, and to not be chained to a failing and decrepit Spain that is being put under the pillow by the EU.

Which is exactly what we want.

Checked and Hailed.

Do dubbs confirm Tanks in 30 miniutes?

Lolwut
Source: Statistical institute of Catalonia.
Ok

NOW

Most of these Catalans are brainwashed into hating Spain, armies, guns, testosterone, etc.
To them, Spain = fascism, which is "bad" and oppresive to them.
I talk to them and tease them all the time, I get along with everybody unless I'm trolling hard, this is what they feel.
This manipulation is easy and no different than telling minorities that da white man is keepin' dem down.

Good work. Interesting.

Hope you all enjoy a tanks march.

Western world is lost. Disgusting.

Hope you all enjoy a tanks march.

See
If Catalonia became independent, it would immediately join the EU and become a literal ball of cancer waiting to explode and send shit all over Europe. Its similar to Scotland and California, full of shitlibs who will import millions of refugees. And when it collapses due to their pants on head retarded ideology, it'll leach into other countries.

nothing will be done. rioja will be sipped, tapas will be had, almodovar movies will be watched.

The first signs of schism where in the mid–19th century during The Renaixença wich led to the development of Catalan nationalism. The first political party was oficially declared in 1923.
Then civil wars and Franco came who basically banned anything that gave Catalans a nationalistic identity yet they managed to keep their traditions.
So "brainwwashed" isn't the right term.

looks alright to me.

Honestly this kind of NS stinks of jew to me. Ethnic Nationalism is always right but this shit show, you want to force two distinctly different ethnic peoples together under the banner of "Spain", They have different histories, different languages and most importantly different blood. Only the jews would want to homogenize two distinct western cultures.

The independece of catalonians started a a nationalistic movement historically and is a nationalistic movement. If we allow commies to take advantage of this, it is our fault.

The catalonian movement was and is historically a nationalistic movement. If we allow commies to take advantage of this it is our fault.

The Catalans are anything but communists. They are nationalists.

The catalonian movement was and is historically a nationalistic movement. If we allow commies to take advantage of this, it is our fault.

Fuck off you trotskyite.

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Give me and everyone here a break with this "democracy" bullshit. It's nothing more than mob rule, and like here in america, when shitskins get enough numbers they totally ignore western law and try and rewrite it for themselves. WTF is this democracy people clamor for? Here in commie-fornia, my choices for state senator was a spic woman and a indian-nigger mixed woman. You call this democracy too right? Fuck off kike. Monarchy's need to come back.

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Thanks for the accidental doublepost, Kikeflare.

I just explained to you that catalans fight for a nation since the mid 19th century. You try to make it like it was something that happened the last 30 years by commies while it has more the one century of history since the Renaixença.
So being for a nationalistic movement is being brainwashed?

kek at mlpol spencer

The Catalans voting for independence now aren't the writers and poets from the Renaixença (or their readers) but the children born or raised during the past 40 years. Also,
Do you seriously believe that the Carlist wars had anything to do with Catalanism as it's understood nowadays?

A people enjoying their ethnic heritage, what's the problem? Blood before Nations

They aren't the poets and readers because Spain banned everything catalan after the civil war.
Lol No, but the first voices of catalan independence came during the mid 19th century wich resulted in 1922 in the first political party.

What happened?
Catalonia is going to left Spain?
Spanish Civil War 2 is going to start?

On one hand I support a people having their own country. On the other hand, they're Muslim loving cucks.

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Nice dubs. Grabbed this watching live streams last night.

Franco treated them too well, they got among the best economic deals and came out among the best in Spain but still they are thankless gommies. Franco should have killed them, all of them, Stalin style.

You guys aren't the first ones to get shafted by the eternal commie, Spain.

Catalans crossed in two primary tribes (Alans particularly) and are close yet distant relations of Persians/Scythians. Sooner they're not Madrid's purse the better, even if you have cucks with hard on for North African migrants. Eurozone dead on its feet, Greece should be next.

Disappointed the firemen didn't turn the hoses on the rioters (national guard).

I used to think my parents were generic boomers. But my mother spent a year in Spain in the early 70s, and now whenever we talk about the news in Europe, she just shakes her head and says 'Franco would never have allowed this.' Then after a few glasses of wine, it turns into 'well, Hitler just wanted to make Germany great again, we were on the wrong side of that war."

That feel when you realize your mainstream, middle America parents have been unironic fascists for over thirty years.

lol

If you're trying to make sense of this complex happening by simply siding with the faction that is somehow closer to what historically would be more fascist you're retarded. There is no fascist faction here. You probably didn't even know a place called Catalonia even existed before this referendum…

Yep, have some OC, fresh off the press.
I will keep them coming for easy normalfag digestion.

make it a Russian satellite state. anything to shit in the EU's cheerios…

idc about them being leftist, if it pisses off the European Union I'm okay with that.

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kek

Ya man why don't we let the shitskins occupying London and Paris have independence too because muh sovereignty!

if Spain is globalist, it isn't a nation. if Spain isn't a nation, why shouldn't Catalan's seperate?

? retard

I hope so, I hate the spanish, good for catalone.

That might be counting diasporas, Andorra, the Balearics, the minority in Roussillon, that one Italian island, Valencia, and Aragon. "Catalonia" is just one Catalan-speaking administrative unit.

Self-determination is a D&C meme created by (((Woodrow Wilson))) and his zionist handlers to destroy ancient European empires (especially Germany).

Good! First get rid off the spanish cucks then gun down the commies who infest your nation.

OK, what exactly are they gonna exchange?
Sure the Chinese will trade with them, as long as they have money, which, shortage of founds, should happened rather quick, having lost their market in Spain and the rest of Europe. It will be like Ukraine number two, were people also underestimate the codependency and who was the stronger partner, Russia.
Catalans think seriously they can have independence, double nationality, Spanish gibs (pensioners), free movement of people and goods between Spain and Europe – Spain will do their utmost to spoil that. Catalans think they can be a second larger Gibraltar and the Spanish will be too cucked to do something against it (like last time during the war). In case of a civil war, the EU, UN, USA as fronts for ZOG will push for a complete dismantling of Spain, like Jugoslavia. The difference to the last civil war in Spain was there were serious foreign supporter for a unified Spain, most of them no longer exist. There is a reason why Spain never acknowledge the independence of Kosovo.

The EU is one of the actors pushing that, it’s part of the plan of reducing the Spanish national state. Actually that plan is centuries older and belongs to the strategic aims of France. France is still urging for the Frankish Mark (just recently did they mention it as a reason for Catalan separatism).
As for Britian, they do push for it nearly as long, they are the source of the Basque independent movement, check the “Basque flag” and study who founded that movement, where did he spend his time and got his ideas – right Britain.

In spain the police enforces the law dictated by the judges. Unlike in the rest of europe with all of your unpoliced sharia law muslim ghettos.

What else to expect from people that think fucking around with pissed off bulls is a good idea.

wut
Yeah, I guess you're talking about the totally legit "Catalano-Aragonese" crown right?
So the Basque country, Galicia, Asturias etc should secede as well?
What about Aranese people who want to secede from Catalonia? Nice D&C.
Citation needed.

We have a different culture, that's right. But how is Catalan culture in Spain different than Bavarian culture in Germany? Hitler also had to deal with Bavarian separatism, read Mein Kampf.

A Bavarian king would rule justly over the nations of Europe

Pic from 1967.
Also that was some time ago. Where's the "oppression" since 1978? Before our brainwashed countrymen started disobeying the law yesterday, that is.
As says, Catalan separatism today is not what it used to be. It will lead to distilled degeneracy.

There will be blood. There will be tears. But it shall be for the best.

twitter.com/catalannews/status/914815246979739648

OH SHIT SON

HAPPENING?

apnews.com/991579f34aa34375a55589c400ce87e8

OH

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What the hell is going on here, is this (((they))) creating havoc by advocating for both sides or are (((they))) having inner disputes?!

all (Western) EU countries adopt globalist values. i.e. "we are a pluralist country that lets anyone immigrate and we don't discriminate and we believe in equality and feminism."

if a country is globalist, i.e. says it is a proposition nation/advocates globalist values, then it is not a nation. if it is not a nation, why shouldn't the Catalans seperate?

Do Catalans even have their own forces to actually defend their sovereignty?
If not, this referendum is irrelevant.
Fat leftist will hide when the tanks start rolling.

But it's obvious that Catalonia is supposed to be a stop for african invaders.
The cabal is clawing like crazy to get their pets into Europe before the right parties start winning.
First the Balkans where Slavs balk'd, then Italy that got closed due to Pastas pasting, now it's the Spanish turn.

Until I have strong evidence against it, I will believe (((they))) are supporting both sides as (((they))) usually do.

It may by wise to defend the interests of one side or another when it is useful, but don't get dragged into the mass mentality of one of both (((sides))). This is what (((they))) want, a scenario where everyone has refused individual reasoning and has joined one of the two masses.

Why would you want to separate if nations don't exist in globalist society?
We are all one baby.
These leftist are one of the most shortsighted idiots in the world. Don't like walls, just when they serve you like in Catalan case.

Thats the best you got? I don't see any molotovs or weapons. Remember that those fuckers where literally storming polling stations.

I am aware of this, and the inmigation policies too. Luckily, political correction is far less extreme of how it is in Canada or Sweden.

Also, have in mind that we have our own lenguage. If someone is able to speak it well, it is automatically accepted as "catalan" no matter the origins/ethnicity. If they can't, they are a bunch of unadapted fags even if noone calls them so. (I still have to meet a gipsy able to speak catalan.) What I am triying to say is that exists a natural "language frontier" that keeps human trash in the trash, and new generations raised in catalonia, catalans.

True, just checked. It's virtue signaling. I did not saw a single ADULT mudslime, ANY chinese or ANY black during the referendum of 1-october.

how big is the chance that the Catalonian gov will declare independence in your opinion?

This
Plus why didn't make bigger media outrage about the whole indepence thing. Man, you guys not even trying.
You won't get supporters here after this, and probably you just shamed your ancestors too!

Very high. Carles Puigdemont doesen't mind being a martyr. Obiously, as soon as independence is declared he will be arrested and chaos will ensue.

Hopefully, catalan people will keep his rage under control and keep fighting pacefully. A violent clash is what the spanish goverment wants and CAN win. We hope that EU will come along and help us, the oppressed nation.

There is media outrage, but EU is being very shy and passive with the whole thing.

I don't care about Holla Forums's support.

I'm not spanish, but this is my meaningless opinion:

Catalan and the rest of Spain went through everything (throwing out kebab, building empire, losing empire, civil war, napoleon, etc) together, even when catalonia was part of france briefly during napoleon's time and when they were cucks during the civil war. Throwing that away because of some financial dispute is silly.

That being said, if Catalonia truly wants independence, then they can sort it out with Spain, none of my business. The problem though is (((they)))

Spain actively repressed catalonia identity, language, and institutions after the Civil War. Franco dictatorship was never abolished, but diluted in this "pseuo-democratic" state we have now when the king Juan Carlos became head of the state once the dictator died and then invoked elections.
It is way more than a financial dispute, but that was the last straw.

THIS is the problem. Spains doesen't want to negotiate ANYTHING. We have been pushing for negotations for more than 10 years, and Spain only response is "Independence is illegal" and deaf ears to any financial request.

rajoyposting aside, i wish there was a peaceful solution

i dont really get what're trying to say

Overall it's not a threat to the Eurozone.
They're already operating on the assumption that Spain is a millstone around the necks of France and Germany.
It's financial woes would only serve to accelerate unification into a federal state. They could use it to push a common financial policy.
Catalonia is pro-EU so it won't be leaving the EU, they'll offer it membership.

Spain thus weakened and internally unstable won't be able to deny Scotland a spot in the EU when it is offered.
The Scots will being Scots, take the offer and break the UK.

This will in turn provide the EU with leverage it needs to prevent Brexit or at least set the stage for the future invasion of whats left of the UK.

Spain falls because Britain said no.
We already know it was the EU who provided the funds for the referendum.

There is. Catalonians must accept they are Spanish and will be until the heat death of the universe.
The funniest thing is that "catalonian blood purity" is not a thing, shitloads of migrant workers from the poorer regions of Spain, such as Andalusia (they were poor because was all agricultural land owned by "nobility").
They are civic natcucks at best. Promised to give nationality to all mudslimes if they secede.

No hablas español mate I cannot understand what point you are trying to make. A little explanation would be usefull.
Of course after Franco died, catalans would try to get their independence again. Doen't it seem logical?

The newspaper article is about the Catalan language being introduced as a voluntary subject in schools.
Franco is accused of oppressing the speakers of minority languages, forcing everyone to speak Spanish only, when all he did was make Spanish the language for official business.

Sure thing, pal.

Because Franco started getting liberal.
Putting the catalan government into exile and 200thousand people, detroying books of catalan literature and demanding the killing of Luis Company isn't exactly being friendly to the catalans..Also why the hell would you ban the name Jordi? Were they so afraid of a saint so much?
Franco tried to destroy the catalan heritage. It's as simple as that.

Yep.
Franco was a Jew.
Literally. On the other thread it's explained.

Uhm, Real spain is north Spain. MAdrid is an abomination without identity. They imported FLAMENCO which is a GYPSY CULTURE.
So FUCK OFF WITH YOUR SHIT SKIN CULTURE YOU SIESTA MOTHER FUCKING CUCKS.

I am not saying he tolerated separatists, commies, or traitors. If you started talking shit you were liable to get a beating from the guardia civil, be the language used Catalan, Spanish, Basque or Portuguese.

not being able to teach catalan is a ban . For 25 years catalan was banned.After those years Franco became liberal as I said.

This is false. Catalan was NOT taught in any school. The liberalisim of the third stage of francos reign was that, instead of killing you for speaking catalan, you would only get fined. So fuck off.
Also, he went from Autarky to a technocracy, because he and his team were totally incompetent (as hitler said in 1945 about Franco).
Francoisim is an abomination that created a religious elite which is the establishment. It's an abomination. Stop giving misinformation.

your "good guys" are in both cases a bunch of EU kikes tho

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I'm a Catalan and reading this triggered me hard.

"Hitler wanted to give catalans independence". Search for it you faggots.

And btw, the EU doesnt talk about what happend yesterday. This should ring the fucking red alarm for all of you mother fucking 4chan brain washed cuck sucking virgins.

Fuck you CIA. A bunch of F-35's keep you happy.

You know why this movement scares the fuck out of the EU? Because every fucking region in the EU that has a personal culture would want to start having their own coutnry. That would weaken the EU and it would streanghten the regional identities. What conclusion do you take out of this?

THE WAY TO REGENERATE WHITE EUROPE IS BY MAKING REGIONS STRONG AND ALLOWING THEM TO DECIDE. CATALONIA DOESN'T MATTER IT'S THE FUCKING END GAME.THE ONLY WAY WHITE EUROPE WILL BE BACK IF THE EU WEAKENS. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY.

DO you all really think the EU, the ABOMINATION, corrupt as fuck, BABYLON, EU will suddenly change the way it acts? It will start being white again when Bavaria says fuck the EU because it destroys our culutre. And yet, you all are pro Francoisim.

Francoisim. Franco is a jew name. Franco is a fucking manlet, obese, palid skin, with a large nose. You mother fuckers got jewed simply because a guy was seig heiling left and right. Francoisim is an abomination that created the failed state of what Spain is today. Spain can be great if it promotes Galicia, Asturias, Basque Country, Aragon, Catalonia, Valencia. NOT IF IT CENTRALIZES EVERYTHING UNDER ONE GOVERNMENT.

Need more proof you cronic virgins? Hitler United the WHOLE country by promoting the regions and the PEOPLE. Franco after the war DIVEDED the country into a Religious Elite (which now are ALL MASONS) and the rest. Hitler went into powe rbecause he wanted Germany to rise to its full potential. Franco went into power because he waas a jew that was greedy for power (suprise mother fucker, you got jewed. Franco was a guy that went into the army because in Spain, it's where you would be sent to morroco and would fuck prostitutes day and night while you would eat and drink wine. Don't believe me?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Annual
This was one of the worse defeats of the Spanish Army that sounded ALL the alarms that the government and the army were a bunch of corrupt mother fuckers that were sucking money from the country while doing NOTHING.

Francoisim is NOT HITLERISIM. FRANCOISIM is FUCKING JEW FACISIM.
After the civil war, Franco's team made the "Fundamental Laws" which are still in the Carta MAgna of the Spanis constituion. The Spanish constituion was made by the a team that was NOT decided by the people, but, by an arbitrary decision. "Political Parties and Army Generals". Franco's laws, and fudnamentals are what are making Catalans want to leave Spain. But it's not only Catalans, it's fucking Galicians, Asturians, everyone is starting to question "What the fuck is this abomination of government"?

Franco, was a jew, and you all got fucking jewed. YOu guys don't realize whats at stake do you? If this goes, Corsica will start wanting independnece, Bavaria, Basque Country and many many regions. This means that each region is able to decide for ITSELF. Yet you are SHILLING for the EU to mantain it's status quo. Do you want me to remind you who are in charge of the EU?
Merkel. Macron. Rajoy.
The wotan can ONLY return if the people are free. This comes with auto government. The Catalans, are very, very close to fucking achieving this. THey are the first domino piece.

Do NOT support Fancoisim. It is NOT and NEVER WAS Hitlerisim. He actually HELPED THE FUCKING JEWS.

I'm SO FUCKING MAD AT YOU FUCKERS FOR BEING JEWED ALL THE TIME.YOU DO REALIZE THAT SOMETIMEIS YOU FUCKERS ARE JEWING YOURSELVES?

Are you guys really for making a EU army that would surpress regionalisim? Are you all really this fucking cronically jewed?

Francoisim is Not Hitlerisim.
Francoisim is Flamenco cucks doing a seig heil. Flamenco comes from gucking gipsy jews of south spain. THEY ARE NOT THE SPAIN OF THE GREAT KINGS. WHAT YOU SEE TODAY IS THE SPAIN, OF FRANCO. THE PATHETIC, SIESTA CUCK SPAIN.

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Yeah, the only way to regenerate white europe is fracturing any state that could retain its soverignity into smaller and more cuckable regions that are willing to obey everything in exchange for protection against their former "oppressors". Not only that but in the case of Catalonia they want to bring in all kinds of multiculturalization and I can imagine most cases would be similar. I don't see how this could go wrong.

I don't care about Franco or Hitler. I know how much of a shithole Spain is right now, but it doesn't bend as easily to EU and other international entities as a bunch of irrelevant states would.

As a Catalan I'm still waiting for any of this "nationalists" that promote independence to talk seriously about protecting our culture, traditions, religion or language.

Thought that was a Wojak edit from the thumbnail. Sorely disappointed.
Wait a second, Pepe is a traditional Spanish name. The plot thickens…

Not that you know what those words mean anyway.

because that is spanish territory, and they do with it whatever they choose. are you fucking dumb?
that is not what nationalism is. but to protect your own itnerests, and spain's interest collide with catalonia's. so let's see, if they don't wage war they might as well stick this declaration of independence up their butt bewcause theyre going nowhere

t. spainard

The meme of "self-determination" is great if you 1. don't have SPICS INVADING YOUR NATION 2. don't have DUNE COONS INVADING YOUR NATION 3. apply it equally.

Woodrow Wilson enforced self-determination for the whole of Europe and the defeated Ottoman Empire… except for Austria because they wanted to join Germany and that was bad and wrong and evil, you filthy fucking goyim! See how that works?

GET A CLUE.
It's almost as though you don't know jews work through extortion.

I forgot to mention: it doesn't matter WHAT the divisions are–shape, size, population, etc.–in the precursors to United Soviet States of Earth, capitaled in Jerusalem, from which the jews reign for all eternity. There can be thousands of disproportionate regions or a dozen big ones whose representation is outweighed by hundreds of smaller ones. The jews don't care. Reorganization of the mongrelized races will occur once total control is achieved. The EU–or any of the other disparate supranational unions with single nation aspirations–is simply about gaining ownership in whatever means necessary.

Or what, you thought the Soviet Union didn't reorganize internal borders as it expanded?

You mother fucker, you missed the point.
He is talking about the abstract aspet of law that is not written. Every law has power if it is the people believ ein it. The moment they stop, like a currency, it becomes irrelevant. LAws are costums, rules, traditions. So why should a fucking Centralist law be applied in a developed region Mr. Siesta cuck?
Spain really does start below the Ebro river doesn't it? You faggots, as dindus cannot udnerstand basic abstract thoughts.

Tradition? Sure. Catalans have a lot of tradition, those include:
Castellers (community as pic related), Sardana (community Dance), Bastoners (community dance), Paga-li Joan.
Religion, the most important monestary in Catalonia is the one in the Mountain of Montserrat (second pic). That's the mecca here. If anyone dares touch them, they are touching with the spirit of the Catalans basically.
And Language? Fuck you. Catalans have been fighting for their language to be accepted internationally for years. They have strugguled under the "Decreto de nueva planta" 303 years ago, and yet today, in spain it is still seen as a lesser languagea, when it is the first known Vulgar latin language to have documents in its language.

You know why Spaniards have been trying for centuries to destroy it but haven't been able to? Because the tradition is extremely well rooted. This is because the Catalan "mind" comes from Ramon Llull which promoted Lullisim, which is basically local regionalisim. This combined with the monestary of montserrat, made catalans become individuals and progress much faster than the rest of spain. The rest of spain, altough they have VAST resiources, cannot manage to combine them to produce anything. Catalan laws are very mindful to promote the regions and not only the cities.
Spanish laws to the EXACT OPPOSITE. THey are centralistic abominations. That is why Madrid gets bigger and bigger and the REST of cities of spain get smaller and smaller. Oviedo, 100 years ago is where the most beautiful women in Spain lived. Nowadays, there are no young women left. Why? People HAVE to leave to madrid because NO OTHER REGION IS PROMOTED.
This is not pro independnece. This is a wake up call for people to realize that the problem is that SPAIN IS A FUCKING ABOMINATION.

CAstellers: youtube.com/watch?v=DXld2kRaFUM

Sardana: youtube.com/watch?v=ukhYNgXJ-nY

See pic related? That's most of the catalan coast. Small fishmen towns.

Do you know why Spaniards have such difficulties and hate catalans? Because they have a different culture. That is the real reason. Because the Catalans might not be known for anything, but its a disgrace to be known for: "Sangria, Siesta" or to be confused in america by fucking mexico.
Because that's what spain is, a siesta country of people being late to meetings.

And to defend Spain, because my blood comes from the notrth, it is fucking amazing if it were not from the south. But disgracefully, all the traditions of the south have been adopted by madrid. The ones in the north are being forgotten. Why? BEcause they require more effort.

Madrid has to die.

it's still a commie shithole, though, innit?

How about like this? Not sure about Tuscany.

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Good stuff!

I thought Maidan was the other way around?

Thanks, doc.

Thanks, doc.

Did you even read my post? Like reading it word for word and trying to understand what it means? It doesn't look like you did. Or maybe I didn't express myself well enough.

I really dont know if I should respond to your wall of text with caps and lacks of respect when you can't even read my post completely. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly enough, so I won't jump to conclusions. This one will be longer, as I'll try to make my point clear.

First of all, when I said "As a Catalan" i meant i am speaking as a Catalan, because I am a Catalan, so I know well enough about those traditions.

I'm glad you brought up Montserrat because it illustrates the whole situation. Have you been to Montserrat lately? Have you seen how they turned it into a "religious" theme park to get money from tourists? If not, just try to go there and tell me how much is left of the spiritual center for the catalan people that it used to be. And tht's what is happening with every tradition. If it is considered "cool" they keep it and try to make some profit of it,keeping the entertaining part of it and discarding the traditional values behind it. If it isn't cool enough they just ditch it. All of this has been done by catalans, not by spaniards.

The independentist leaders (called nationalist by some) don't give a fuck about our identity. They want Catalan to be on the same level as Spanish in the new republic and they want Religion of Cuck™ (or any other religion) to be on the same level as Christianity. You can look for it yourself. This is just to give a couple of understandable examples.

Now just have in mind that nowadays the main threat against any identity comes from globalization. I agree that the expansion of Castillian culture through Spain is a threat for Catalan identity but we've dealt with it pretty efectively during the last decades. I can't say the same about the globalist agenda,as we are already multicultural as fuck and the plan of the independentists is to make us even more multicultural.

thanks doctor

We will, because you can't remove nationality from anyone. And we will also be Catalan and independent of this shitty country called Spain.

Spotted the faggot anarcuck still mad at good ole Franco.
t. Spain nationalist.

do it
cut the boots in half

why are you so triggered?
because you know that if they leave then spain will be a desert shithole on EU welafre like southern italy and continental greece?

The Russians in the Ukraine fighting are the most degenerate commie pieces of shit.

Terrible example.
Despite those 40 years of fighting they never got the North back.

…how was this my point?
The point is the violence didn't stop until they were offered a political solution.

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reuters.com/article/us-spain-politics-catalonia/catalan-leader-calls-for-international-mediation-in-madrid-stand-off-idUSKCN1C70M2
Catalan leader calls for international mediation in Madrid stand-off
This is what the EU army is for boyos

For joining the EU you'll have to send more little girls to the Saudis and in exchange you'll get shipments of sandniggers. Getting killed in Kiev for kikes was really worth it right?

King of Spain just talked. Tanks in 30 minutes.
Shit's gonna go down.
Independence will most likely be unilaterally declared at this point.

ABSOLUTELY HAPPENING.

Post yfw you will be witnessing the Second Spanish Civil War and the Return of the Spanish Phalanx

Remember always to hide this Catalonian Commie Shill.

On the other hand, tanks will do us good.

It's called National Socialism not "Hitlerism"

Are you talking about me? I'm not from Catalonia. It's that moron from who always try to portray Catalonia as Nazi, when that country is pozzed like California and Sweden. He always said something about Franco supporting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the Freemasons. When Franco was against the Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy and he even created a tribunal to judge Freemasons.

albavolunteer.org/2013/06/franco-nazi-collaborator/

Yeah, I was talking about that guy, my bad.

It is not so illogical as you might think. Smaller states are easier to overturn in favor to (((your side))). For example there is big country X which consists of smaller nations and is not liked by (((global society))) so after careful infiltrations and overturns country is teared apart left with 3 new states A, B and C. Citizens of those states are disappointed in old ideology thus easy to manipulate. Don't forget about chaos in those new governmets and the fact what they are like a soft clay in the hands of other powers. That's how separatism, which isn't backed by strong nationalism, can be used by globalists.

OK, got it. thanks.
He's just a divide and conquer shill. It's beyond my comprehension why BO and the volunteers of Holla Forums stick his threads when it's obvious it is low effort bait.

"Catalonia will declare independence from Spain in a matter of days, region's leader tells the BBC"

BASED

Grazie, dottore.

Only if these come back.

THIS JUST IN:

THE KING IS A TOTAL MORON WHO JUST THREW GASOLINE ON THE FIRE

What did he do?
Post some sources retard

He didn't do shit, he should have called for the detention of the Separatist leaders.

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"Quick" sum up of the events

YEAH, THE SAME NARRATIVE THE JEWS USE. (note: Israel governments currently have links with the catalan secessionists)

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I dont speak mexican can someone explain whats going on? Is this a real HAPPENING or just a pointless vote? So they voted to leave..now what are they going to do about it?

meh they are a bucnch of loosers, ukraine means ''perimeter' or something like that so its a non-nation.

Summarizing:
Fucking hell. We're sold that he had been prepared to rule since birth. This kills the Spain.

BBC website right now, didn't realize they were hiring Holla Forumsacks.
archive.is/oP1N9

Basically it's about a random guy literally doing nothing with his spanish flag and some catalans foaming at mouth calling him son of whore/fascist among those a middle aged guy doing the closet fist communist salute, a punk girl with red neon hair and a dyke.

Kraina means borderland rather than perimeter, serbs had one too before they were deported by nato during operation storm. If america was colonized by russians then the far west will be named as some sort of kraina too.

Probably it will go through, since every single micro-minority now wants its own country..

This whole Catalon situation sounds a lot like the Arab Spring to me.

LOL you're fucked!
You know, we had a monarchy once, but then we also had Thomas Paine and one or the other had to go

Commune-states only work when you're self-sufficient. Italy is no longer made up of insular countries, but the insularity of its communities and cultures must be preserved.
That being said, speaking as a Neapolitan, could you guys meme our active volcanoes to erupt? I'm sick and tired of the mass of mongrels that live here, the only good thing about this city was that it was homogeneously bad but I've started seeing coalburning couples and I am sick of it.
Maybe destroy Milan's city, sparing its neighborhoods, the whole of Sicily, Lampedusa and Reggio Calabria while you're at it.

Oh and Bologna, Pisa and Florence too while you're at it.

What's hilarious to me about the King of Spain basically saying "over my dead body" is that since there is no political process, the Catalans can quite properly regicide his ass and nobody would have a basis to complain.

A Day of the Jackal-like scenario would be pretty neat.

the King of Spain was an absolute fucktard - he posed in front of a painting of Charles III who hated Catalan and outlawed the language, then went on a one-sided conversation

yes Catalan will now of course simply bend the knee like with the attempted coup that was thwarted by the king's father back in the day with a similar speech.

It didn't have to be like this.

Due fritture!

Catalonia is not catalonia any more.
It is now the Autonomous University of Barcelona.

All of your points are from the outsider looking in. You have been made an exile in your own house, if you are from Catalonia. You are going to be made an exile in your own house, regardless Catalonian Communist Succession succeeds or not. These are all horrible things. I don't have any advice for you, other than please for the love of all that was once holy, stop telling yourself about the irrelevant history, and start figuring out the specific mechanics of accounting that facilitated the invalids of your demographics to where they are -and- retarded the valid demographics to where -they- are.

It's Mailand, not Milan.
Northern Italy returning to their Lombard roots when?

I can hope too. But then there's still what happened before, several times:

In every standing historical account of Spain, the Spanish/Iberians get migrated, loose terribly, and only come back after the civilization-winter. In the most recent civil wars of Spain, the Spanish people lost, and lost terribly. They were targeted first. The prior civil war of Spain did not have a chance to complete its course of needed actual; its accounted winter was arbitraged away with the rebuilding of Europe, and with that accounting magic, actuals were restored before the muslims and communists could even take a second dent (outside of the primary skirmishes).

Is that google translator? Can't quite get the point. I'm serious.

Fuck off commie shill. Stop baiting and leave this board.

Is Kike by chance a Spanish name, like Kiki or something?

Kike/Quique (pronounced Keekeh) is a variation of Enrique (Spanish for Henry). I always laugh when I see it with 'k'.

Biv'

Please bomb us down here first and then go back to eradicating minorities up north, I can't deal with the people around here anymore.

zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/nigel-farage-blasts-eu-juncker-over-catalonia-spain-violates-article-2-lisbon-treaty

Nigel Farage devastates Juncker over Catalonia & muh humen raits.

Spain's king says Catalonia leaders pushing independence show 'inadmissable disloyalty'
archive.is/oD6hN
I have no laughing image strong enough for this

Italian mainland is shit, Sardinia is the only true Italians.

Our king is a pussy. He can't bother to give a fuck Please nuke us and send proper ruler asap.

I was just praising Spain for shitting on antifa not long ago, but it seems they lack the ability to discriminate.

I don't know how far Catalonia is going to get on it's own, are the basques or anyone else feeling skittish?

They lost the civil war. They have to deal with it unless they help the southern usa go independent.

A J O

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(((Catalonia)))

Well that's interesting. Looks like the invasion is well underway over there.

Are people just protesting for protests' sake or is this more of the Soros shit?
Would be funny if the various protester groups were all linked together.

It's anticonstitutional, so good luck with that, cucklords.

very nice.

youtube.com/watch?v=lLbK-yj_yYk

If the referendum is crushed lets make sure everyone knows the EU and UK are less democratic than Russia.

Bumping this.

Seconded.

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I know I should probably not take satisfaction in the crashing and burning of fellow brothers in arms against the muzzies and Jews but…fuck me this is fun.

All Galician anons on this board should try and get independence and get protection from us. The burger MIC wont risk us since the Azores are an important base for the sake of navy logistics, amongst other things. You'd be safe here~

I looked it up. "Contubernio" (odd word) means "illegal cohabitation of two people", "not gathered".
A more idiomatic translation would be
"which are in bed with".

You do realize there is another Galicia, right?

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The Spaniards have always tried to fuck us over, I think it's perfectly fine to take some joy in seeing them taste some of their own medicine.Olivença é nossa caralho!

kys

what did he mean by this?

That's literally boomers saying "antifa are da real fascists", would that make you support antifa?