Alt-right mongrels

The screencaps in this post got me thinking. How many people of the alt-right and Holla Forums latch onto white supremacy and identity politics because of their feelings of inadequacy? Ofcourse it's filled with nationalism, but they think of ethno-nationalism instead of nationalism in the cultural sense.

Now I am a mongrel aswell: half spanish and half dutch. I actually speak both languages fluently and I've been to Spain dozens of times (I live in the Netherlands). I've never had any feelings of inadequacy or identity struggle. I feel that this applies to a lot of American and Canadian Holla Forumsacks; they're mongrels but completely detached from the language and culture of their (great)grandparents. Aren't they just tumblr-style special snowflakes desperately clinging onto some kind of 'white' identity as if people of one skin color are culturally homogenous?

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They believe that certain enjoyments have not only been denied but actively stolen from them and they project that subconscious fear onto the big Other, and that removing this corrupting Other from the system they believe had been disrupted/invaded, they will not only regain these deficient pleasures, but be rewarded well for their 'faithfulness' by inflicting reactionary retribution on these other identities that cause then anxiety.

Muh morals. There will be equality between all men or every man for himself.

99% of them are in it for the shock value and memes. They're into "race realism" because it's what goes against the mainstream narrative and offends people the most. You're digging to deep into it all.

What does this have to do with op, and how is it correct in any shape or form

Yes, while other cultures are superior to others off the basis of their material conditions, Holla Forums is trying to bring back something that never existed.

Where does pol's persecution complex come from? What traumas have they experienced?


No, I'm pretty sure Holla Forums has surpassed satire. Especially Holla Forums's Holla Forums

Idpol is for the dumb masses. Use it and you will win.

I'm not saying it is satire. It is teenager rebellion.

Holla Forums latches on to nationalism because they want to claim achievements of great men as their own. For all the statues, paintings, and inventions they have images of the only thing the Holla Forumscuck can create are edits of the merchant and pepe. They are embarrassed by this and are attempting to fool themselves into believing they are some how contributing to a grand legacy.

Cuck. Slavery is not an option.

Do white Americans think they're slaves

what are you talking about friend

I'm not American but I have flirted with the alt-right in the past. I'll admit it was when my depression began. I was confused, lonely and sad constantly. It gave me something to hope for. My pure "white" heritage was well valued among them.

But I saw the stupidity of my ways and I've shifted back to the left now. I'm still depressed but at least I'm not filled with so much hate and churlishness towards the world any more.

Feel free to mock me or whatever.


I think there's some truth in that. It's very nostalgic.

It's why I can't be too harsh on alt-right people because I feel like I understand them. A lot of them are lonely, vulnerable people. They're not evil.

YOU ARE A WHITE MALE

Most of them do it out of genuine hatred of inferiors.


You do understand what the Federal Reserve is, don't you?

For me, personally, being from the parents of Nationalists who weren't white.

The farce of these people going full edge within the span of an election cycle is both hilarious and yet I deeply pity

No, I don't know what the federal reserve is, please tell me what the federal reserve is

Just because you're a mongrel doesn't mean everyone else is.

nah they don't, trust me

Adults who post on Holla Forums seriously aren't "everyone else", they're a small minority

then what's their master plan?

yell at black people on the internet

Capitalist hierarchy and wage slavery. It is nice to do 10€/h in western country but most of world do 5€ or less.

this is my shitposting flag friendo

Means of production need to be controlled bottom up by the workers.

dont shitpost there is a tough world out there

I know, but all Americans are. They make up most of Holla Forums posters. I find other Europeans taking over this retarded ideas of a 'white' and a 'black' race.

I'll just add that I was depressed and unemployed when I flirted with the right-wing ideals a few years ago

anecdotal for sure, but people who are going through times of distress are really susceptible to extreme ideology (including religions) on all sides

But if the most powerful sociological force is material conditioning, then surely this would affect genetics through selection of certain traits, right?

I was 11 old when i understood the nationalist propaganda in my nationalist country. They grow boys to be soldiers.

Glad someone else feels the same as me

You're right about religion. The middle eastern states have high unemployment, no surprise they are fucked up

Why is that even relevant. If intelligence, or lack thereof, was a significant factor in the make up of your idealist society, why post around people with low intelligence on Holla Forums?

I was in high school when I posted on /news/ and Holla Forums. And I was also depressed. But my family are mostly Asian nationalists. I grew up around hearing it, but the more pro-white it became the more I just tuned out.

Eventually I got to junior college, then regular college, and I just adapted to the facts. Anyone who looks into half the shit Holla Forums does on an actual academic level sees its bullshit

Especially the later in time it becomes. Holla Forums harbor should have just ended with its shut down

what was Holla Forums harbor?

No, it only selects traits relative to the societies needs, not off some objective basis, but only what individuals value. Material conditions can change for better or worse and this will cause other traits to be more important than others, and more likely than not, these traits have nothing to do with genetics, but social class.

Moot basically made every other word filter to cuck, I forgot what the music was but put some track over it, and basically made the board unusable right before he left

ah yeah you pretty much described what happened to me too

We need soldiers. Educated soldiers. No academics.

Why not both

No silly smartypants cant fight in war. There is leadership and there is intelligentsia.

This isn't Cambodia

Every comrade has a purpose.

I wasn't talking about intelligence, just selection generally. If material forces affect genetics, this legitimizes the concept of race (within a materialist ideology) regardless of whether such traits that separate races are objectively beneficial or beneficial within the context of a class.
The point is, where genetic selection exists, so does race.

During my mid teenage years, spending a lot of time on 4chan, I was fairly apolitical. A distaste for "feminazis" and "SJWs" was the base of my politics, if I had any. But seeing everyone else so consumed with Holla Forums's ideology, I wanted to fit in. And we shared a similar base in the distaste for SJWs. So I spent some time on Holla Forums to "indoctrinate" myself. I even remember making a thread asking Holla Forums to make me hate jews. I wanted to believe, but when I saw JPGs of the most retarded, off the wall shit I could never make the final step and actually believe. This was very much my experience with Holla Forums. I was never depressed enough, aimless enough, retarded enough – whatever it is – to really get on board with those ideals promoted by Holla Forums.

tldr: tried to be an alt right dweeb, never got on board.

Holla Forums's core base is bored young, lonely men who like video game and shit. Their radicalisation often begins with a "feminazi cringe compilation" vid on YouTube.

Not in the factors you think it does. Someone from India can have similar DNA to someone from as far away as Latin America than someone from East Asia, and likewise someone from Greece can have DNA from East Asia and meet back up with the same thing from say, Puerto Rico, and it ended up happening naturally.

A lot of this happens among whites, and they aren't even aware of it.

It's a bunch of nonsense to look to find statistical data that isn't there.

Holla Forums baiting on this is essentially racial numerology

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Who's got that flow chart that starts with "no gf" and then goes on to say "why no gf?" with possible answers like "niggers" or "chads" or "pajeet"? Because that's literally all Holla Forumsyp theory condensed into a single image. They've experienced humiliations and felt inadequate in their lives, they don't have the maturity or perspective to identify broader historical or social forces underpinning their struggles, and so they're ripe pickings for people telling them a very simple gospel about how to feel manly again.

It basically boils down to a few rules:

1. Being "shocking" is the opposite of being "sensitive", and sensitivity is feminine, weak, etc. The more "shocking" you are, the more manly and strong you are. Doesn't matter if you're physically unimposing and virginal; this particular show of "strength" somehow matters more than any other.

2. Anyone asking you to change your behavior or habits in any way is automatically wrong. The reasons vary and are essentially drafted post facto as cynical justifications of opportunity, and then it becomes the responsibility of some obscure discredited academic to find some way of tying it all together into a convenient narrative, which is how we got Gultural Margsism. For bonus points, said academic can also claim persecution in their prior career to their receptive new audience keen to lift them onto their shoulders.

3. Everything society passes off as wisdom is a lie, and you are part of the select few who has the rare power of insight to see through the charade. Liberal values, globalism, common courtesy, etc; as is standard with all conspiracy ideation, their group narrative finds a way to bundle self-justifying with the ego boost of conferring the status of being a person of uncommon wisdom and bravery for "seeing through the lies" and onto the truth. It doesn't occur to them any more than it does to 9/11 truthers or climate change deniers that while legitimate criticisms of received wisdom are quite possible, they're approaching the matter from a purely intuitive methodology with the most ludicrously shabby cognitive mapping imaginable.

Basically, if it's consoling, simplistic and self-justifying, it's Holla Forumsyp "theory."

You're the only one implying being of the same race means having 100% the same genome.

I'm a dirt poor immigrant who is not exactly white. I am proud of being far right even though I do not associate with the "alt-right" hivemind. Currently reading Mutual Aid to understand anarcho-capitalism better. All the leftist people I have met are horribly muh privileged even if they had to do some burger flipping jobs here and there. Both sides are against globalization and state centralized power so I don't care, it's just that I can't stand leftists who are usually:
1. Not an immigrant
2. Secure and well-established in society because of nepotism

Sorry for the blog post.

I blame and hate myself for no gf tbh

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I'm so tired of these stupid depressive post-modernists writing children's cartoons. I hope kids grow up to reject them.

What does this mean? Is it a strawman against my post? Are you quoting someone that I'm not aware of?

I kind of like it. You didn't even grow up with Billy & Mandy that was what you would consider "depressive post-modernist".

You don't like this certain cartoon because it's colorful and gay

It means that you are a retard for complaing about people complaining about exploitation just because they are white or not migrants

The modern white supremacist belief is predicated on some notion of demographic decline among whites. This is catalyzed by their subconscious acceptance that they will never find love with a white woman much less a woman of any other race.
It's a farce to the tragedy that every fascist nation has ever met.

This is what it really boils down to. I was with nationalist parents, and I always knew in my early internet nationalist days, ok, these people are white but at least they're speaking my language.

Slowly but surely, this divide grew and grew, and became more and more stupid, until at this point.

It's not even recognizable or respectable. It's honorless garbage.

So tl;dr repackaged horseshoe theory, "you only have extreme political views like communism or fascism because you're a fucking loser that can't hack it"

That is not what I said at all. Everyone is complaining about exploitation especially the ones who exploit their capability for nepotism the most.

There's a difference between being motivated solely by resentment, and being motivated by sound social observations comorbid with resentment. Shit, there's a lot of leftist theory that constantly reminds you that you need to make uncomfortable personal changes or suspend many convenient personal habits and practices in order to get anywhere, so the self-consolation doesn't survive that comparison whatsoever.

Holla Forums's heavy on the self-improvement "getting swole for the ethnic conflict" shit as well.

Where did I say that? Go ahead, hold me accountable. Recite some theory and tell me how it could possibly fit with a horseshoe interpretation.

Yeah, no other reason why a bunch of frustrated virgins would want to do that…

What is there to understand? It's complete crap.

You what? Communist theory is built on violent upheaval ultimately resulting in [insert your ideal society here]

But oh we're different to the fascists, because we have good intentions! Sure, people are gonna die, but you have to crack a few eggs to make the proleteriat great again

Either you're new here or you're Holla Forums, because *we* have many different ideas about how to get to a socialist society. It does muddy the water a bit that fascism engages in plagiarism out of unprincipled opportunism, granted, and that includes plagiarizing us, but I'm not going to argue that tankies horseshoe around to fascism, and I don't need to. Not everyone here is a tankie.

I am retarded, I meant to say "anarcho-communism". My mistake.

Aren't some of those like so-called Galileo Gambit?

I find it hard to respond to the "alt-right" Trump drones who agree with all that jazz, but then claim "Trump is the friend of the worker! Trump loves the little guy! Trump will create jobs and make me personally rich!" when it's patently untrue. No matter how many facts you throw at them, they support their guy (an arrogant detached millionaire criminal) over you (the concerned citizen who actually would defend them). They think "Trump is on the side of the people", and it's maddening.

That's kind of half of it, yeah, but calling it a Galileo Gambit alone would neglect to consider the role of resentment, spooky traditions, etc.

i'm a based civic nationalist

A standard of living that has declined over the years which deprives them of the social assurances previous generations had. Go to school→go to college→get good job→be comfortable and secure, along with everything that goes along with that.

Instead they're drowning in debt and useless degrees just like everyone else, even though they didn't do anything wrong, and since they know how things are "supposed" to work, and how they "worked" before, the apparent answer isn't that there's a problem with the system, but that some outside agent or force is corrupting and/or sabotaging it. This is why they're obsessed with "degeneracy" and any ideas which threaten, even hypothetically, those social pleasures that they feel they've been denied, especially having children/spouse-property or wives or whatever.

Even if they have those things they don't feel secure. Even if they have a wife and children, they're terrified of the cuckoo infiltrating their life somehow and poisoning that, too. The terrifying Big Other threatens to invade their personal lives and spoiling even their progeny (which, come to think of it, if Holla Forums had anything like consistency, if they insist that white people prefer white people etc, then they should be more worried about competition from other whites rather than the BBC Boogeyman).

So really, nothing has happened to them that hasn't happened to anyone else under capitalism, but because they "followed the rules" they feel that they deserve certain entitlements, even or especially if it comes at the expense of others, for which they'll imagine or invent any reason to separate from the ranks of "the deserving."

So they ended up more like the peers their parents condescended too

Their own fault for falling for the idea that programming and engineering and STEM was where jobs were and not life long competition


Even though Holla Forums didn't do anything wrong those poor souls managed to fuck up so hard they became public nazis


So basically what they're saying is they are pathetic, they're abusers, they hide behind excuses for their actions

And I'm going to beat the fuck out of them? Is that about right?

I don't think they're any more at fault for that than any of the millions of other teenagers that fell for the college meme.

I mean that from their point of view they did what they were told and didn't get the result they were promised and are now looking for something or someone to blame, not that they're free from culpability for their decisions.

At least some of them probably are yeah

If that's how you think is best to advance the proletarian cause then sure

Fascists in the past received far more punishment for their existences.

Fascist apologia making them out to be innocent doe eyed angels does not progress the proletarian cause in the slightest.

You are falling for the identity politics of the identity politics of the internet.

Damn, its weird to me that people weren't there, especially on this Chan
He wordfiltered cuck to CLUCK and got rid of captcha and all posting cooldowns. Then he put up a big link to Holla Forums on every page of the site, basically calling for a raid. There wasnt any music, instead it was a recording of a pornstar reading over a "guide to cuckolding"
It was the most hilarious shit.

I get the feeling you're taking from what I wrote something which I didn't intend.

No I was there, I'm just drinking too much spiked eggnog and it feels like a sunday. I remember that, for that now, for that day specifically.

I just forgot about it, I didn't remember it for a while, time between then and now has been a haze

You're basically giving a bunch of fascist teenagers the devil's advocate play of affairs.

Any other time in history you would be tearful as their parents beat into them harshest lessons

I'm pretty sure I didn't write anything like that.

I'm just saying that they are being affected by the decomposition of capitalism just like everyone else, but because of their ideological perspective are anxious to the point of paranoia of some vague, shadowy Other that is the cause for their misfortune rather than examining the system that produced the result. Try to explain to them what a derivative is and its effect on the economy and they stare at you blankly, but if you mention that Liebowitz runs the bank that trades them and suddenly they've discovered the problem.

Or do you think that fascists are simply born rather than made?

You don't seem like a fun drunk.

Honestly, it was nietzsche (how ironic) who saved me from going full Holla Forumstard when it came time.

Responsibility still exists.

that IS ironic

Whats ironic about that?
Only retards that get all their opinions from Punk lyrics still think Nietzsche was right wing

I never said that it didn't. The question was "where does Holla Forums's persecution complex come from?" If you have an explanation of your own then please share it. But I think it's a little uncalled for to accuse me of sympathizing with them just because I've tried to explain this facet of their psychology.

At least 30%-40% wouldn't of been considered "aryan" according to the Nuremberg laws. The very same regurgitated shit they so desperately cling to, just like the info graphs that prove "miscegenation". Imagine going back in time back to 4chan in 2005, and showing them Holla Forums, and explaining to them a large number of them would ultimately end up there unironically, bitterly preaching ethic Not Socialism in their echo chamber.

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Pretty much the response I expect from an An-fem. It's why leftism is going to lose.

Leftism in America hasn't won since fucking FDR on a material level and Malcolm X on a rights level

The people who gave us Vietnam and Ronald Reagan and beg for it to repeated forever deserve to die and they don't have my sympathies

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As an American I think I can provide some insight.

Almost all Americans are mixed race and any hope of tracing back your lineage are shotty at best. This is why you see American """""" Nazis"""""" talk about this imaginary pan white identity that somehow also includes the Russians even though Hitler wanted to exterminate the slavs. They feel like this because the only thing they can grasp onto concerning their identity is that they are white, so whiteness is all that matters to them because they have no real claim to genetic purity.

that's true. american white nationalists usually get into arguments with ethno-nationalists

hence all the >slavs >white memes

why so angery?

You, I like you.

Why are you a bitter fuck up?

GET OUT

Everybody drinks. If you don't drink, you're a faggot


It's a good tradition

You were drunk for like two fucking months.

so is the patriarchy.

speak for yourself

Alright I will. You're emasculated.

DAE think purpflag is a bit of a shitstirrer?

Why are you worried about sperm count if you don't want, or don't need, kids

Sperm isn't going to change your life for the better anyways

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People would say I'm a white supremacist or a white nationalist but I'm simply an anti-supremacist full stop.

I don't want Sunni supremacists taking over Europe. I don't want Jewish supremacists in schools and on the TV brainwashing snarky hipsters into cheering for those Sunnis so they can get rid of the white competition.

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Oh yay

I get to pay for college in 2038

What a good ideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea

SAD!

Kill yourself subhuman

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literally every alcoholic is irish

For everyone here who has been on the edgy of Holla Forums's abyss, who saved you and brought you here?

For me it was, not kidding, Zizek.

Their proposed utopia, their idyllic society is having some patriarch (usually a fascist but sometimes a monarch) solve all the problems. Once you realize their noises about "liberty" and "freedom" are all just that, insincere noise that are dropped immediately a strong man presents himself, you can climb out of the abyss. Or at least I did.

You were drunk for two months.