Well written Visual Novels

Hell the part where they "compress" several terabytes into megabytes by literally squishing the electrons together and thinking that would work drove me up a wall. But time travel shit is all retarded science fiction. You're there for the characters and how they'd deal with the time travel shenanigans, just do what I do and pretend they're in a universe where the rules are that it works fine, like how you'd do it with magic and elves and what not

They're all shit. I personally hate them because they're all written first person, which is only ever really good when the main character is in an unreliable state of mind (see catcher in the rye, for example). That's not the only use of first person, but the point is that if written from this perspective, the story has to be about the main character.
So, what does a VN author do?
The VN author goes full retard and focusses solely on deuteragonists (always cute girls, without fail).
Which, essentially, means I'll have to be observing every single bit of action that happens through the eyes of a bland fuck.
Great.

(literally the only counter to the above point is Saya no Uta, written by Gen Urobuchi. You know, someone who isn't a retard.)

A better experience would be if a VN was written in third person, didn't focus on just one main character, and allows you to pick the choices for multiple characters.

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The genre's just too niche to attract competent writers who can expand the medium to "masterwork" depths, especially considering its origins.

It can be.

Probably not.

About the best part in Stiens;Gate is You keep calling yourself an evil mad scientist, why don't you act like one? and the rest of the bits regarding horrific time travel loops of "FUCK I CAN'T FIX IT"

"Well written" has no consistent definition. There are more legitimate reasons to dislike things like Proust than there are to hate Deus Ex. Nothing is less subjective than good writing.

Your post was poorly written from an objective standpoint.

maybe

visual novels and interactive fiction are exclusively made by talentless hacks including myself

If you want your anime to last as long as a JRPG then it's the best thing ever

You're telling me visual novels aren't just created by algorithms that use the most popular tropes at any given time to generate a story using preset character archetypes? People actually write those things?

He had a hard life

I rather liked it.

Of course they exist, you dunce. You just don't get them in English. Or if you do they get butchered.

Then name five of these good untranslated ones.

Higurashi and Symphonic Rain both have pretty good writing. Cross Channel is supposed to be well written but the translation butchers it.;

いつか、届く、あの空に。
きっと、澄みわたる朝色よりも、
信天翁航海録
装甲悪鬼村正
霞外籠逗留記
俺たちに翼はない
神咒神威神楽
相州戦神館學園 八命陣
天ツ風 ～傀儡陣風帖～

Didn't even have to list anything by Romeo.

Saya no Uta is the first thing that comes to mind for good VNs as long as the person isn't an oversensitive faggot who would be grossed out by gore or lolis. Like 4 hours long with 3 great endings. I enjoyed Swan Song when I read it like 4 years ago but I don't remember much about it other than there was an earthquake, everybody went insane, and lots of 2deep4u. Grisaia was good if you are willing to go full self insert weebshit. Steins;Gate, of course, is fucking amazing. Umineko was pretty great until part 6 and even then was still worth reading.

You're better of asking elsewhere.

Stein's Gate is great, good taste. Remember Stein's Gate zero is coming up!

This was pretty fun, even though you had to really get into the mood for walls of text and exposition.

Story had just the right blend of weird mystery and character interaction to keep me interested the whole way through. Not many interactive fiction can do that, imo; its all cliche stereotypes thrown into a situation half the time.

I want to watch tuturu sleep and one night have a little sneaky cum on her hair and leave to never see her again

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Does something need to qualify as good writing before you can like it unironically? Wouldn't liking something make it good?

MOEKA LIED!

TUTURU DIED!

Holy shit, those digits.

nigga what the fuck are you doing

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For you, maybe. But your taste would be utter shit. It'd be like all the modern 'art' nowadays.

so all in all it doesn't matter unless you care what faceless people on the internet think of you.

stein gate is overrated

Something can be enjoyable without being well written. Umineko is a prime example of that.

If you have no standards, then sure, it doesn't matter. But if that's the case, you're literally a normalfag that's content with gobbling up garbage

I actually installed that just three days ago. Spent the next half an hour reading an extremely long, boring info dump, and uninstalled.

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You're telling me to live up to your standards and like what you like because you seem to think you have impeccable taste in all things. Wouldn't complying with that be the most normalfag thing a person could do? Trying to appeal to everyone instead of forming your own opinions and liking what you like?

Maybe it's because I can actually support my tastes with objective arguments? When I point a game and say it was fun, I can, when asked, point and say what made it fun and why it's better than other games

yes but it should be up to somebody to play the game themselves and come to the conclusion themselves rather than follow somebody else's opinion like a normalfag

There's quite a number, but don't expect them to get a good translation.

But I can do that too. For example I can acknowledge that Grisaia has very sub-par writing for the most part, is full of anime cliches and the protagonist is dreadful in so many ways but I still think the characters are interesting around those cliches, it has some good chill music, some heartfelt moments, some mean plot twists and some character developement. Even if I manage to make some sort of amazing argument for something you think is poor but I think is good, you can just reply with "fun is a buzzword" or whatever the fuck making the whole thing meaningless because in the end we'd be arguing about opinions on the internet and that leads to jack fucking shit.

I don't think it's possible for writing to be purely bad or good unless you're judging grammar. It just doesn't seem like it's as black or white as that. If act 1 of a VN is poorly written but act 2 is amazing, does that make the whole thing bad and make it so that it should be dismissed?

You're moving the goalposts. I never argued you shouldn't play games that someone else tells you are bad.

No, I can't, because that's a bullshit meme argument that just shows everyone what a massive idiot the one who argued with it is

You're wrong. There are many ways to objectively judge writing (I should know, I spent over three years actively studying it and discussing it with actual authors, because writing is a big hobby of mine). Just like one can judge a craftsmanship of a table, one can judge the craftsmanship of text. If you see a table that is rotten, each leg is of different length, and has splinters jutting from every imaginable place, you can confidently state "this table is shit". There may be someone who will come and say "No it's not, I like it", but isn't it then clear that said person is either a complete retard, a pretentious faggot, or someone who wasn't looking for a table in the first place, but for a source of firewood?

Why would you bundle it all together like that? Just say "the first act is bullshit, but the second one is really good" and let the person you're telling it to decide if it's good enough for them, or if they cannot be bothered to push through the bullshit part.

Does not compute.

At the end of the day whose opinion really matters?

GTA5 got great reviews. I hated it. Since it's me who's going to play it my opinion matters more.

Oh and it's okay to dislike art you know.

Persona
Hotel Dusk
999
MGQ

Everytime I try to get into some VN the writing is insultingly bad. Mundane descripitions about uninteresting things, dialogue that describes things I dont need to know. They're filled with Fluff to extend the hours to have "lenght: 40h so pay 40€ to buy it"
The only VN where I read whats happening in unteralterbach but thats german so they have some literary tradition people learn in schools and they know to include humour & jokes regularly unlike jap writers.

You don't know the definition of the word fun.

Why should I care about it? When something is 'fun', it creates a pleasant sensation for the player/reader/listener. If the person knows his shit, he can also point out what exactly about the work in question evokes this sensation. Saying "X is fun" is a baseless claim, as it doesn't tell us anything other than that you enjoyed it. Saying "X is fun because Q, Y, Z" becomes an argument, about which we can discuss. In either case, saying "fun is a buzzword" is nonsense, as "fun" was never used as an argument by itself in the first place.

At that rate we can't discuss anything, as the answer to any flaw a game has, any shortcoming, you'll just answer "I liked it, my opinion matters more, fuck off". It's fine to have an opinion on something, but one should be able to support it with arguments, and, if the subject of said opinion has its flaws, be able to identify and concede them. When you identify the strong and weak points of a game, that's when we can discuss about it – argue whether they indeed are weak points or not, if they are significant or not, and so on. If someone comes into a thread with "I liked Gone Home so it's a GOTY, but I cannot say why and if you point out why it's shit, you're wrong because it's all subjective :^)" then he can just go fuck himself and die. 'Liking' something is not enough to make that something 'good'. Some people like eating shit, but that doesn't make shit good food. If you like eating shit then, by all means, carry on with eating it, but do not try to claim that it's good food.

It's not like vidya is some abstract form of 'art', you can easily judge most vidya based on merits and flaws and saying 'I dunno I just didn't like it' makes me think why even bother entering a discussion and bring it up in the first place, since it adds nothing constructive to the argument at hand.

I'm currently on VLR but I'm so goddam lazy that I haven't finished more than 2 paths yet. It's still a great series and 999 was a really fun game. My only frustration was how routes are laid out in that game because it caused me to spend several nights running every permutation possible to get the true ending only to find out that I had already completed the coffin ending and just needed to do it again to trigger the true ending after getting the safe ending.
In my defense though I play VIsual Novels at the laundrymat and it had been months since I'd seen that particular ending and had forgotten the whole [spoiler]To be continued['spoiler] tag.

No, you just need to like it. You can unironically enjoy bad things because it suits your fancy.

Without thrashy porn VNs (Looking at you Sagara Family and Virgin Roster) I would be legally retarded so they have a special place in my heart.

Pretty much. It's called based aka not being a preer pressure bitch

Maybe.

Milky holmes or whatever.

any porn vns that have pegging?

With pacing like that, fuck no.

Implying most faggots here would recognize decent writing even if someone would slap them over the head with the sign saying 'attention: 'this is good writing''

Youre not allowed to like anything. Even if its good; liking something makes you a shill. And if youre not a shill then talking about something makes you a viral marketer.

Either way youre from reddit. Stop trying to like or talk about things the majority of people here dont. Conform or go back to the plebbit echochamber.

Well, if it had to tell you it was good writing, it probably isn't actually good writing.

Depends on your definition of well written

Does Danganronpa have good internal consistency, believable characters, properly explained setting, well reinforced themes, and few or no plot holes? Absolutely not.

But it is an completely insane rollercoaster that is very entertaining from the moment of the first murder? Absolutely.

VNs usually focus on characters and their interaction rather than overarching plots. So you're probably going to be as disappointed as somebody who is looking for a trebuchet in science fiction stories.

Higurashi is well written until you get to the info dump chapter and the power of friendship chapter. Then you realize the author is a fucking hack and should be hacked to pieces like his character. Fuck whoever wrote that.

The entire muvluv triology is about some aspergers kid who has all the chicks wanting to fall on his dick and who's only redeeming feature is that he's somewhat decent at video games. He gets sent to a parallel universe where humanity is getting its shit pushed in by aliens. He decides to act like a sperg and fucks around a lot. Rinse and repeat since he's stuck in a time loop and isn't aware of it. One day he becomes aware of the time loop and tries to fix some shit so he can dick his waifu. Except he still has aspergers and the only thing he's good at is video games;conveniently, he's a soldier that pilots giant mechs that conveniently control just like mech video games in his own universe, meaning he's a good pilot. Bunch of info dump and exposition happens with a lot of JAPAN STRONG and the MC being a fucking cry baby and not having toughened up after hundreds of years of looping and fighting aliens. Then some bullshit sci-fi shit happens and his waifu is an android pilot for a super mech except he got cucked by aliens and his waifu doesn't really want his dick after having been tentacle raped (I'm not making this shit up, I swear). So he gives her the dick anyways and then he and all the other chicks who are desperate to fall on his dick go on a desperate mission to wipe out the bugs because apparently plugging in an android with all of humanity's knowledge and secrets into the alien's communication network is a bad idea so they have to finish off the aliens before the aliens realize that humanity's coming. Conveniently, it takes a week for aliens to realize anything. So they go in a big alien hive and the chicks realize that they have to suicide themselves with nukes because they're getting overrun. But they also realize the MC's a fucking cowardly cunt so they lie to him so he can keep the mission going. They get to the alien hive core, find out aliens don't even understand that humans are alive and that they can't be reasoned with, MC is like "well lol dis sucks fuck this let's go home, hey were all my hoes at?" then the last 2 chicks are like "they dead you dumb sack of shit and we gotta blow this hive up" and he's like "but muh friendship, don't want no one to die to save humanity" (technically he's fighting to save humanity in two parallel universes). The girls are like fuck this and his waifu pushes the eject button on the big mech so she and MC gtfo and so the other chick can kill herself. MC cries like a bitch because having gone through groundhog day: despair and war edition hasn't changed him one bit from the no spine coward he used to be. And then everyone comes back to life in the non fucked up universe, MC loses his memories and everyone is happy.

Jesus christ that pasta reminds me of Supergreatfriend attempting to sum up the zero escape plot

Anyways, to answer OP's question, I've found that there are no "well written" VNs, at least in the translated section. To me, well written means the prose, characters, character growth, dialogue, theme, setting, world building, story and story telling are all at least average with several of them being above average.

In any case, there are a few VNs that tick a few of the above boxes:
+ character growth, theme, story

+ character, theme, story, world building

+ characters, character growth, story telling

There's a few other overall decent VNs where writing isn't all that good but are still entertaining. But for the most part, VNs are shit. Take this comment as coming from someone who went through a lot of japenese media with an objective view: most VNs (and LNs and manga and anime) range from being really bad to painfully average. There's a few decent stories here and there, but they're quite rare and easy to overlook because you've got no taste faggots praising god awful works like MuvLuv, Higurashi, Umineko or Inganock. Or anime like Naruto, K-On or Sword Art Online.

Is it just me or are tje Japanese better at building worlds and characters than they are at /using/ them?

lol

That's probably a good way of looking at it. From what I've noticed, japs don't understand the meaning of show, don't tell.

This is definitely true. They don't seem to mind writing a wall of text explaining something instead of building it into the story as a whole.

onee-chan am i kawaii~
No.

…Which explains Nasu's signature 'style' of repeating things and using bizarre metaphors, I guess.

The only universally accepted good story VN. Play it, love it, Kurisu is best girl
A solid piece of amateur writing. Genuinely decent, "babby's first VN" isn't an insult. Since it was written in English, the prose actually carries over well and nothing's lost in translation. Emi, Lilly and Rin are considered the quality trifecta, with Hanako being love or okay and Shizune being almost universally panned.
Good fap material, even better game, Rance is best husbando.
Great music, writing's enjoyably daft and engaging, puzzles range from great to confusing to all too simple.
Good writing, good mysteries, Kyle Hyde's a good deal.
Great fight scenes, though each route has a failing that it wouldn't have if it were all combined into just one good story. Probably shouldn't have been a VN. HF has Kotomine and some of the best prose, but none of the engaging action until the very end, and almost everyone but Kotomine and Ilya are shittier versions of themselves. UBW doesn't do much different from Fate until the ending, either. Fate has a good framework but bogs itself down with exposition that it doesn't convey interestingly. You might like, but if you try and get disappointed, Fate/Zero is loads better
Does this one really count? It's stylish, it's fun, it's memorable although it doesn't pad out its surrounding setting nearly deeply enough.
SOLVE AND DEDUCE

Did I miss any?

BUT SHE'S A GIRL! The guy who wrote that is awful at writing but amazing at coming up with settings. Someone post the sex scenes screenshots, especially the one where the MC who is having sex for the first time compares the chick to "an experienced prostitute".

That part I actually liked since it was Shirou having a hero complex. And we knew he had a hero complex because he was traumatised and wanted to save people; he couldn't handle being the one who the saving was done to. Plus he got over it and accepted Saber as his sword, from which they grew from strength to strength
No memes, Shirou and Saber were a legit good pair

I'm not picturing all that shit being said to Shinji, and it's making me laugh

A lot of the things you listed aren't really VNs, they're games with VN style story sections. Would Rance really be any good without the gameplay? There's some good humor, but not a whole lot else.

DING DING DING

We have a winner folks.

you don't seem as happy about that as you should, user

I think Japanese writing excels in emotional intelligence. For example, take a look at slice of life. It literally just exists to show you the most pleasant fantasy possible to make you feel good and that's a really common theme in Anime; To feel good, to feel like you're important, to feel like your existence has impact, to feel social and to feel loved. There's not much comparable in the west, because almost every story here must have some sort of suspense that needs to be resolved. There MUST be catharsis or something comparable. The structure and methods of our writing haven't essentially changed for thousands of years. We also have a weird fetish for suffering thanks to the Catholic Church. This is all of course grossly simplified, but you get the idea. Japanese writing doesn't necessarily adhere to western ideals.

Also, Science Fiction and Fantasy weren't taken serious during their early years. I think anime is currently still an acquired taste, but at some point it may change. You also have to admire how well they tend to present their own culture; We read words like senpai and perceive and understand all those cultural cues quite naturally. After watching some anime you just get it, like it's normal.

Japan's world building is the most boring shit I've seen. Even the top hacks in western epic fantasy come up with more original and interesting shit.

Japan is very good at building up one or two aspects of their world. In the west, they're usually good at building up a LOT of aspects fairly well. And then there's Tolkien; people who get off on world building masturbate to him and rightly so.

THere's two methods to world building, outside in and inside out.

Outside in is like Tolkein where you apporach the world writ large and such, inside out is where you go from a few characters and use them to create a world. Nasu does this, using the experiences of maybe ten characters to describe a world where the Earth is sentient, hates humanity, and so on.

HOLY SHIT

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Clang is a beautiful sound, though. :^)

Always this.

No thanks, there's plenty of good and well renowned fantasy novels in english

Good prose doesn't mean good writing. Good prose or poetry are just a part of writing. There are a lot of other parts to writing and they are sometimes equally as important as prose is, sometimes more important, sometimes less.

English is a second language I picked up later in life. I know painfully well how bad translations are compared to the source material, even professional translations for best sellers, classics or Hollywood blockbusters. Hodor.

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I actually wanted to get back into reading, haven't opened a book for fun in a long time. Do you have any recommendations?

I don't expect your lazy ass to do anything. I just want you to know that almost every J-E translation you've ever read has been an abomination, and that not only do you not have the ability to judge the writing of the work, you can't reliably judge the translation quality either.

Visual novels aren't video games

there's no gameplay

Ace Attorney is a game, not a VN btw.

What do you like?

The benefits of learning Japanese are minor compared to the amount of effort I have to put in. Opportunity costs my man.

Like 99% of the planet. Expectations for books are to have good prose+narrative.

Fantasy, fiction, philosophy, non-fiction, and basically anything that's not romance or overly sappy like teen fiction and that shit.

I am honestly down to read from any genre as long as it is good. I haven't done too much reading in my life so if you name something, I probably haven't read it.

The average person only gives a shit if the book entertains them.

Well I'm sure you can use a search engine and look up "best books" or "top 100 books" and get some pretty lists, so I won't recommend stuff like Joyce or Dostoyevsky.

In no particular order:

There's tons and tons of other good novels and series out there, but the ones I listed are very high on the entertainment factor and easy to read (except for Malazan, which is pretty rough for the first 3-4 books).

I liked Saya. It wasn't well written but VNs, manga, and LNs are the only place where the really depraved/edgy stuff can thrive.

Best love story ever told.

If you want edgy and depraved, Euphoria fits the bill. Perfectly. Just be careful not to cut yourself on all the edge in that VN. Monster Girl Quest may also be of interest.

Again, this has nothing to do with whether or not you feel it's worth your time to learn Japanese. Just the fact that Fate's translation, along with almost every other Japanese to English translation, is a total mess. Some of this shit isn't even translated from Japanese to English, but from Japanese to Chinese and then to English.

12 million copies of Fallout 4. Why should I care about the majority's tastes?

Thanks, going to save that list and get on those. I actually read enders game and tried to read the shadow series and it was ass so that threw me off of enders game. I'll give speaker/xenocide/children a chance though.

I've taken to reading webserials. They're really long, and free, which I like. They're generally of a lower quality than published works, but hey, its free.

The big two that I enjoy are written by a guy called Wildbow: Worm and Twig.

Worm is all about superpowers. It starts off small, with the POV characer (a girl who can control bugs) fighting street level crime, and escalates into world ending threats. It's a really good read, if you can get through all of it. The characters are fantastic and the fights are awesome. The only problems are with the pacing, particularly in the middle and toward the end. Also the story gets really fucking dark.

You can read it here; but I warn you: it is very long.
parahumans.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/1-1/

Twig is a biopunk story. Its like a 'what if frankenstein were real and we applied the science to our every day lives without care for ethics or morals?' kind of story. The main characters are all children who have been genetically modified or experimented on and the story is all about them learning how fucked up their world really is. Twig isn't finished yet though, so you'll eventually catch up to the author and have to wait for updates. He does update pretty quick though. At least a couple of thousand words each week.

You can read it here: it is also shaping up to be a long one.

twigserial.wordpress.com/2014/12/24/taking-root-1-1/

As for other sci-fi and fantasy:

Blindsight and echopraxia by Peter Watts are fantastic, though if you havent read in a while they might be a bit tough to get through.

The final empire trilogy by Brandon Sanderson is also really good stuff. Easy to read as well, if I recall correctly.

Terr Pratchett's Discworld is also pretty good light reading, and there's like a million of them.

It's shit.
Only part that is well written is the first chapter, everything else is pretty much trash as far as normal vn's go.
And if you want to look at it as "baby's first vn" then it falls flat in comparison to saya.

Actually, the writing of the murders itself goes downhill with each murder.

First visual novel I played and a solid story. Kyle Hyde is a very well written character, he's a jerk but I love him. The rest of the cast feels very real as well. And the overall plot gives everyone their space but the plot brings the whole thing together nicely.

I really need to play the prequel/sequel story.

Also a good beginner option.

This is definitely one of those stories where the character writing far exceeds the world building.

Shitloads of waifus and loli's

So it's getting the FNS treatment, eh?
Truly there is no hope left in man.

The 5th one in the first game sure, but to be fair that murder had to be bullshit for the plot. I'd say 2, 3, and 4 in the first game are all on par, while the 5th murder in the second game is the best out of all of them. The only murder I thought was straight up bad was the third one in the second game, which is extra annoying because they could have made it one of the best if it wasn't so ridiculously convoluted and inconsistent. What should have happened: Mikan gets the despair disease and instead of just regaining her memories for some reason, her personality would flip just like everyone else. This would make her abusive, manipulative, and charismatic which would allow her to pretend that she is acting normal unlike the others. She would plan to kill Hiyoko as revenge for bullying her, but once the body is found Monokuma cures everyone of the despair disease and she forgets what she has done. At the conclusion of the murder, she is just as surprised as anyone that she murdered Hiyoko (and possibly Ibuki) which would be pretty fucked up since the only thing she wants in life is to help people. That would have been way better than the stupid shit they pulled.

No, I might be as bold as to say that it goes like this
1>2>3>4>5>6 as far as the murders or cases to the relation of murders go.
Great introductory case.
Good, but lacks some flavor.
Alright, but obvious. And that's the case for the ultimate poker face, basically a red flag for anyone with a brain.
Obvious and there is no murder, so it's also pointless.
Same as above, but you get blue balled into a cliffhanger that extends a no murder case into two pointless cases.
Case that should've been done in a previous case or literally nothing of substance and somewhat anticlimactic info dump(not talking about the actual story here).

I don't have strong opinions on 2nd's cases though, since I think they are all alright. And junko even though being a virus, didn't need to follow rules, since there were no audience to prove anything to them. Just simple "this was a despair inducing action" would explain everything.

I really didn't like the first one because it was more obvious to me than any of the others. I half expected the twist that Sayaka was the instigator and I absolutely knew that Leon did it because the number thing was pretty obvious. Other than that I guess I agree to some extent but I liked 3 because even though it was pretty clear whodunit, figuring out how the fuck it happened was very entertaining mainly about how Hifumi's body was moved up two floors in 3 minutes and what the fuck the robot was for. I liked 4 for the same reason that I liked 2, which was that it was quite sad and I went into the trial with no actual suspects and had no idea it was going to be a suicide because who could predict Hina's actions?. 5 was shit but it was supposed to be, though I did like the series of tweests about Junko/Mukuro.

I weep for S;G 0

Well, first case isn't supposed to be really convoluted.
As of the third case, what's the point when you already know the idea? It just becomes a chore of who was where at said times. Even the Hina's recap is boring as fuck. It's as I said, alright though.
4 would work if you didn't get all of your options spilled right at the start which spoils the ending of the case entirely. If they've let your assumptions run wild, then it would be a good case(still pointless tho) and be better than 3. Even the artwork of her corpse hints at the resolution of the case which is beyond retarded. And on top of that the beginning of the case nails the top of the coffin with it's farce of "I'm sorry I got scarred, I'm the killer".
5 wouldn't be shit if they didn't overdo it with hints or actually made it matter(but it would actually take too much effort). Mukuro was as a character completely irrelevant to the story, so since it's a game about twists she wouldn't matter at all, thus if we were to assume a person of relevance then it would be enoshima junko, also polish nails. But since we've actually never met her(junko), she is irrelevant to any of the surviving characters, thus she is someone behind the scenes. And all of that comes from the start of the 5th episode.

Let's look at it like this. 1st episode isn't supposed to be something extraordinary so it's true to the idea through and through. 2nd case as I said is lacking, lacking the application of ultimate concept and doesn't have full benefits of being the 1st episode, but it is still a solid case. 3rd case fails on the goal part, but still has the mystery until the end. 4th case fails on the goal, and mystery is ruined on the start of the court trial. 5th case immediately fails both on the goal and the mystery. And at last, 6th case has no goal and no mystery in relation to any murder.
To make it more condensed let's turn goal and a mystery into a numerical boolean multiplied by percentage of how long it worked in the chapter:(1,1)>(1,1)>(0,1)>(0,0.5)>(0.1,0.1)>(-0.1,-0.1)or(0,0)

2's first case is pretty much exactly what I would want from these games on the first chapter. It wasn't inherently overly convoluted or insane like the rest of them, but it was also still very difficult to predict (I thought it was Fuyuhiko or Nagito until the very end) and it introduced the danganronpa madness that the series is known for when Nagito went insane during the trial. I think I'm biased against the first case in the first game just because the sequel handled it so much better while still doing a good job of avoiding being super convoluted.

I'd talk more about the other cases but I seriously need to go to bed, 2AM here in burgerstan so good night user.

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Even if they were well written, the translation is inevitably going to be shit. Visual novels are almost always only good in their original language.

How is it worse?
I dont see much wrong other than some text spacing.

Not necessarily true, there are some VNs that focus on the protagonist (Fate/stay night, Devil on G String, Steins;Gate… and I can't think of any others)

Stein's Gate always had waifus and one child, but she's treated non sexually.

I don't think Japanese media is for you if you complain about waifus.

Try playing some Western triple A trash. Fallout or Uncharted.

You're not a real gamer unless you've played this gayme.

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Why is no one making a Dostoevsky VN? This and The Idiot have top tier writing that would work very well in a non-escapist VN. Japs should screw off, they can't write non-escapism content for shit. Leave the Russians at making this interactive kino come true.

I don't get these people. It plays exactly like a VN 80% of the time.

So Holla Forums, I have an idea for a VN.
The setting is a sort of Blade runner-esque cyberpunk future but not as far off. The main character is a drug dealer who lIves to support his addiction. That addiction? A second life-tier degenerate V.R vidya gaem.
He has fallen in love with a "girl" over the Internet whom he shares a life with in this virtual environment. The first few chapters would be about the contrast between the virtual and real lives of these characters and their horrible escapism.
The story would be shaken when the "girl" turns out to have been a ladyboy hooker with way too many mental issues to count. This is learned when "she" is murdered on the job.
The main character proceeds to hunt down the killers all the while disgusted with himself and the very person he's avenging.

Honestly? Sounds great. Do it and by that I mean learn how to write, how to plan out a plot and how to actually commit to writing 2k words a day, fgt

Sounds like a William Gibson plot meets Welcome to the NHK.

I'd play it.

To be fair, those games are more adventure games with the dialogue presentation of a Visual novel. I'd still consider them VNs but I'd also add Adventure to the genre descriptor.

Honestly my biggest trouble with writing is comitting to it. I've written a couple of stories on places like /monster/ before though and they were all well received.
What I'm most worried about is fucking up characterization. Got any advice for that?

I just looked up "Welcome to the NHK" and from the wiki article it actually does seem to carry some of the aspects I want to show.
I'm going to have to read this at some point.

Plan out the entire character as far as you can before you write them. Know their purpose for what you want to achieve and then plan it out.

That's fine. You can also do warmup practices like writing prompts (e.g 1 line for your character in a different emotion) or just non-canon stuff so you get a feel for how this character acts in their daily motions. That'd help you write them better. Even if it's just minor characters, get to know them better yourself so you don't make them inconsistent. It's alright for the player to see them as just pieces in a performance, but if you want to keep them consistent and engaging, you gotta be a bit more familiar with them.

Feels bad being uncreative.

To answer your first question, no, there are guilty pleasures and charming mediocre things that you can enjoy. To answer your second question, also no objective quality exists, but there is also your subjective enjoyment of the creation.

You get out 2k when you know what you're doing. If you can't get out that many, then you need to think more of what you want to put down or you need to toss all care to the wind and bullshit the most hideous first draft you can think of. Then the second and third drafts are for cleaning up the mess you made while drunk in the first draft

Some people dislike Nasu's writing. It's certainly not the best in the world, but since all of his "writing" that the average person in the west sees is translations, at the very least the meaning is being carried through to some degree.

In that regard, I would classify F/SN + F/HA and Tsukihime to be well written. Hisui route best route, fuck off if you think otherwise.

NO, FUCKING THANK YOU

it's homo though

What makes FSN better? Besides bigger budget.

Only other VN I've played is Katawa Shoujo like 2-3 years ago. Favorite character was Hanako.
Is there a pastebin or sticky with VN's worth playing? I'm lonely and I want to pretend like I have an anime girlfriend.

I also forgot to say I don't really want to pay 15 dollars for some shit I might not even like.
How available are free VN's, since I don't know much about the genre. Is playing one for free normal or an exception?

Little Busters! had me laughing and crying like nothing else.
The anime was complete shit.

It's also notable for being one of the only visual novels I've played where the MC doesn't ditch his (male) friends to go skirt chasing at the start of a route, and one of the only visual novels I've played where the (male) friends arguably have the most important routes.

Clannad is the archetypical visual novel and I'm sure is the first thing that comes to mind for a lot of people when they think of visual novels.
One thing that pissed me off about it is how important the male friend is to the story – even having his own route – but how quickly he's discarded in the grand scheme of things. On his route, the game makes a point of saying that he and the MC really do share a close (heterosexual) bond that's more than just a simple friendship, despite the MC's coldness toward him. Regardless, the MC still ditches him ASAP on the other routes to go skirt chasing and outright forgets who he is in the main route.
It doesn't help that he got his route stolen by his sister because the MC has to be chasing some sort of skirt.

Steins;Gate, Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime and Muv Luv are good choices for starts.

just use nyaa torrents for downloads unless you really like it in which case you can buy them on steam or another store if you want to support the devs.

Here's some unorthodox advice that's worked wonders for me: don't look at the monitor. Seriously, just look at the keyboard while your typing. I think it's something psychological about not seeing what your typing that lets it flow much better.

Also, you might try stream of consciousness writing. It's worked pretty well for me, I just frame my thinking in what I need to write about, and then let my thoughts go. It usually needs a bit of revising in the beginning parts, but most of it ends up being surprisingly coherent and interesting.

everytime

Torrent VNs, not many of them are easy to buy in the first place. You can find VN charts on /rec/, but if you just want more and better Katawa Shoujo, Grisaia is probably the way to go. Should be easy enough to track down.

Every time I look at steam's frontpage there's a VN for $30-40

You need the perseverance of a samurai to beat the hours of filler and bullshit the average visual novel throws at you

At that point, am I just not writing garbage? It's like a painter throwing buckets onto the canvas at random or a composer just slapping down random notes until they can work it into a somewhat recognizable song/painting.

Is Gachimuchi still Holla Forums?

Y'all niggers need to read Rose Gun Days.

Everyone's first draft disgusts them. But it's the only way they actually get anything written down; writing a terrible first draft is better than writing nothing at all.

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Higurashi and Rose Gun Days are fucking phenomenal works.

Sell me on them. Don't just say they're good; what makes them work?

Higurashi is a mystery novel about a group of kids uncovering a village mystery/series of murders and later involve into something far, far greater, involves a lot of friendship, family drama and even conspiracy theories.

Rose Gun Days is a mafia stories where a group of nationalists try to restore Japan's independence through various legal and illegal means in an alternative history where Japan got occupied by BOTH China and USA. Involves a lot of guns, crimes, politics and economical-social warfare.

Anybody knows how to fix that weird font issue in Wine? I want to read with the original fonts and not those ugly ones like pic related (in Flowers). The VNs dont show any other issue otherwise.

I used playOnLinux for the whole setup with the current installed components: corefonts, d3dx9_36, dotnet40, ffdshow, quartz, and vcrun6

I know that. I was just asking about the line between writing something messy that has an idea for a coherent plot behind it compared to just writing typing words.

of fucking course not

The art looks slightly less like vomit. F/SN also has a better soundtrack for the action scenes.

Wrong. Umineko was pretty great for the first two parts– three, tops.
Umineko had a great, unique premise and theme and that is it.

That said, even giving it until part 6….you must be joking.

All caused by less money thrown at it. On the other hand Tsukihime has a slightly less silly premise, better protagonist, more girls to interact with and no "endless kitchen" like in Heaven's Feel. It caters less to teenagers' tastes, I'll grant you that.

*less → more

Subjective. I kinda like the Grail War, even if it's just an excuse for a battle royale between mythological heroes.
Shirou is really shit in Fate, but I think he's better in the other routes.

That being said I've yet to play routes other than Arcueid's, but I like Tsukihime as well. I'd wait for the remake to fix the flaws I mentioned but they've already fucked it up by giving Arc a miniskirt so I don't have high expectations.

Higurashi is great until the info dump chapter and the power of friendship chapter. Those 2 chapters alone turn it from great to absolute dogshit.

I went to Umineko right after finishing Higurashi and immediately spotted all the red flags that were present in Higurashi and dropped the fuck out of it after the first part.

F/SN is awful. A remake could make it pretty good if you cut down on 90% the kitchen and food stuff, BUT SHE'S A GIRL shit, remove the god fucking awful sex scenes, change Archer vs Berserker fight in Fate to have archer take all but 1 life left so Berserker's death doesn't feel like one giant asspull, change the Shirou vs Archer fight so it's not 30 minutes of Archer kicking ass and then asspull Shirou wins because he's right, give the loli her own route and unfuck wormslut's route in the process.

Also, UBW route could make a pretty decent Hollywood movie with the right direction. Kinda like Looper but with a better story.

The problem with the loli is that she is not supposed to live long anyway. Her body would degrade and fall apart in less in a decade, maybe only after few years.

I remember when schools taught people on how to write. I feel old.

Life is short and meaningless user.

Entertainment is the only reason to even bother with being alive.

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I sure could go for a chicken sandwich right about now.

And Tsukihime has already its loli route in Kagetsu Tohya.

Keys to the Kingdom, by Garth Nix, is a fun series to read.
The writing is slightly simplistic, but the overall atmosphere makes up for it.
Be sure to pirate an ebook copy to know whether you like it or not.

>It will never be finished

Convince anons to play a VN using one screenshot.
Short descriptions are also permitted.

nice try, rusemaster

Do good novels exist? Yes the answer is that it's merely a 1:5000 ratio of good to bad novels. Same thing for VNs
/thread

RPGmaker porn games are superior. Vitamin Plus is top tier, anyone know of anything similar?.

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This is the last good thing I do for you faggots before I leave this dead board for good.
If you come out of this VN the same as you had started then you've probably seen some twisted, fucked up shit.

Where are you going?

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If only they stayed with this art style all the way through

That's retards for you.

Steins' gate is overrated

Kirisu is shit.

Morenatsu is too good for Holla Forums

Fans are finishing the last three routes

Also Torahiko/Kouya > everything else

Divi dead psp

Who could be behind this post?

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>shitty vn recommendation list

Ace Attorney