VR is kill

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Only 0.18 per cent of Steam users own HTC Vive, 0.10 per cent own Oculus Rift

Sales of virtual reality hardware has almost ground to a halt, according to a new survey.

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lul

I wonder who could have predicted this?

I'll give it a few months/years.

So many more tech demos instead of a final software product are people selling there?

so it took 6 years to launch, launched with no major software, doesn't natively convert old games to VR format, and somehow it STILL failed? what the fuck is wrong with gamers these days….

All it needs to do is earn a profit to fund the next generation which will be better improved. Normalfags didn't buy the first iPhone, it only took off when it became more affordable and useful.

t. VR shills a few months/years ago

Gamers are so fucking entitled. It's like they expect some kind of worthwhile software for their hardware or something. It's pretty sad tbh. People should be happy they can even buy interesting tech like VR.

Can't launch restricted hardware without a software hook. It needs a hit game that everyone wants before it will see some serious numbers.

Of course most people are broke as shit too and VR isn't cheap.

Post yfw you didn't buy a VR headset

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VR and AR will be a thing in 20 years. The people who invest short term now are the same who bought World Online shares in the dotcom bubble.

This is so saddening
Multimillion dollar companies that would rather get a slightly bigger profit from selling really good tech to very few people rather than selling it at a lower price and earn more by controlling the platform itself.

800 fucking buckaroos for a VR experience, still can't fucking believe it

Meanwhile, 20 years ago

VR is inevitably going to get big eventually, whenever the porn industry gets a hold of it.

There's already VR porn

VR is too annoying for porn actors, so it might not work out so well.

ITT: VR fags beyond assmad


Too bad asswipes, you'll have to keep being fat, ugly and alone in this world for a while longer! Things like this make me want to bone my babe extra-hard!

Why would a bunch of people buy it if it's not even done yet?
Is this supposed to be a surprise or something?

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Not surprised, VR is a enthusiast only thing.

The Rift isn't worthwhile, but the vive is there with the tech with roomscale and the perfect 1:1 tracking controllers.

But worthwhile games are rare

I blaim software exclusivity like Facebook has forced. Did you know Skyrim VR is a exclusive? Did you know a exclusive VR version of Vtm:B was going to come out?

No?


VR is a shit because people put up fences far too early and VR porn was stopped.

So what does this mean for PS VR? Is it yet another gimmick like motion controls and smartwatches and google glasses?

God forbid people finally get fed up with that shitty "LOLOLOL POST >YFW YOU AREN'T A RETARD" shit that's been floating around.

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Human nature won't change in that time, not many people like to wear visors on their heads just when they want to play videogames.

That's the whole point, VR doesn't need porn actors, so it's a lot cheaper.


Only a matter of time before it really takes off

Use 3D models.

Modders already have models that work, so do SFM.

tI's just a question of porting it and putting the 'dude's visual imput in the right space.

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Be smart consumers Holla Forums and don't buy into the first generation of this unproven hardware. Just wait, there Is no benefit to being an early adopter

The zeitgeist of this resurgence of "Virtual Reality" has been around for 5 years now, yet there are ZERO proven examples of worthwhile video game experiences exclusive to what a VR headset has to offer.

Half arsed tech demo's, early access scams, pewdiebait, Interactive movies, walking simulators and mediocre pornographic experiences (no porn on Ps4) are all that awaits you.

Not even going to get into how moronic you have to be to purchase a closed platform hardware peripheral, for a system that can't even get simultaneous 60fps/1080p, when its a proven fact that in order to get a CONVINCING and worthwhile VR experience you need extremely high framerate & resolution. (140fps+ and 1080p+) not forgetting an extremely low input time, which even the autistic power of Carmack hasn't been able to solve.

But best wishes to those who pre-ordered! I guarantee the 2 hours of entertainment you get before the novelty wears off will be worth it!

in 10/15 years when it becomes affordable it will be like smartphones.

This is what is killing it to be honest. There's not gonna be any demand when people are paying out the ass for the peripheral itself, not to mention how strong your machine has to be just to make this shit run smoothly.

I know the industry runs on hype, but the sheer amount of wishful thinking surrounding VR has always baffled me. So many people were sure, dead fucking certain, this was going to be not only a major change but a straight up revolution. Like this was the new cell phone.
People thought this for a "heh, that's neat" technology that doesn't even remotely match its name, even on paper. They thought this for what's essentially just a change in display. It's barely above 3D, and for all the hype this shit got, nobody ever told this would change the fucking world, now didn't it ?
Christ, even my mother sounded certain VR was going to be a big thing in information technology in general, just a few weeks ago, so long after the big marketing push wound down. I don't get it.

Budget Cuts, Raw Data and to some degree multiplayer games like Rec Room and Pool Nation VR all work and are quite fun.

The problem is that there isn't enough of games like that and they all have little content

I like mine, despite what killjoy faggots who can't afford one says.
I am even getting a gtx1080 just for it.
Did i say i love my Vive? Because i do.

Ford's philosophy was to make his cars affordable to the common folk.
Such an idea doesn't pass well through all mediums I guess

Agreed, there are no worthwhile vr games at all.

Onward looks like its shaping up

But can you play games on it?

$350 is when I jump in, Oculus promised that price before facebook bought them.

Do you even realize that in 10-20 years video games will be so shit, that all of them will be just plain 30fps "interactive movies"?

Everything will have SJW mark on it, allowing to choose your gender from more than 20 genders and pronounces, and then proceed watching a movie in your headset about adventures of fat nigger tranny and how xe defeats white nazi males.

You mean VR demos? I do, i just don't pay.

Let us remember how it all started. First VR hype in 90s was killed by Nintendo incompetence and primitive tech. Then few years ago all this hype started on kickstarter. They got all the money they needed to do research, then sold out to facebook and anounced to expensive VR set that could be made for cheaper and requiring high end spec PC to run it.

Those who had money bought Vive or Rift. Rest of us commoners are waiting for sony's VR. If it don't save VR, then it's end for 10 or more years. VR will happen somewhere in futere. It's natural progression of vidya, like jumping from arcade to home systems. But, I think it is still too soon.

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Why would you let it happen? Get on it faggot

Just a head's up; Sony's VR is terrible. If you have used a Vive or an Oculus, you will know.

Sony's VR is already fucking dead in the water.
It will require the PS4.5 which will split the already small PS4 userbase, then you have to take that small portion and split it again for the people who shell out for the VR of it.


It won't have any content and barely work.

Another one.

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Absolutely nothing. It's not hilariously overpriced, it has an install base compatible with it of over 40 million while only 13 million PCs are at or above Vives and Rifts minimum specs and, most important of all, there are several games coming for PSVR. You read that right, games. Not "experiences", games. Without teleporting roomscale wagglan bullshit. Have a look at Battlezone, or Super Stardust Ultra, or Farpoint, or Rigs: Real games, not just roomscale wagglan.

Like someone pointed out there's no "games" for VR yet, we call them Demo because that's what they are since they're so short or anecdotal.
The hardware is capable, believe me.

So the exact same thing is happening again, except now it's Carmack instead of Nintendo?

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It might be something like mobile phones or touch screens. Technology is still too young and expensive to have any sort of feasible future for a common consumer. I'm going with the idea that its going to drop dead again just like it did in the past.

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But how many of them are just shooting galleries?

If it is cheaper, then it could have more userbase. We seen it before: worse systems wining on market.
Graphics don't count. Price of system and soft on it counts.

Funny. I've saw a demonstration, where it was plugged to "old" ps4

Ok. I'm mad.

VR is not dead, what this report is suggesting is that the enthusiast and poweruser well has dried up (also there's not a lot of good VR games yet). That means we will be getting price-cuts soon, which means the damn things will finally be affordable for regular consumers.

Sell the Oculus at 350 you cunts

It does with VR. It can strain the fuck out of your eyes.

That's rude user.

People who want VR have bad taste in video games in the first place. They love first person rpgs and first person shooters the most, that's says everything about the future industry of VR.

Not to mention motion sickness faggots who puke after moving in video games, and require teleportation/motionless guidance to move.

You love top down rpgs, grand strategy games, wargames, third person beat em ups, srpgs, and other vidya that isn't suited for VR? Well, you aren't interested in VR then, and if it will ever be a thing, you will lose all those video game genres forever.

No shit, first you need a Pc that can handdle VR then you need to buy the freaking headset that cost more than a decent gaming Pc, its just fucking expensive just for
a gadget that you are going to use for 5 minutes, i bet if you use this stuff for more than an hour you end up whit your brain melting out of your ears.

Nah they'll probably be today's game remastered/hd/remake etc

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The systems cost too much for the average consumer, there aren't enough games of worth for the "hardcore" gaming base, and it requires a super computer or else it runs like absolute dogshit.

Anyone who actually put money down on these things being a success is a fucking retard.

I have none, i you don't count "The Lab" bow mini-game.

The "launch bundle" seems to cost $699.99, and the headset itself costs $549. For an accessory with no concrete future I'm on the fence.

Besides, I have yet to see how VR will even add to the games in any way.

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that shit is fun

Vanishing Realms deserve some kind of money, honest, and yet…

Normal screen too.

But imagine hooking up PS VR to your PC. Instead of Vive or Rift.

Sony would never go for that. Especially if their VR is successful.

You must be an idiot, top down rpgs, grand strategy games, wargames, third person beat em ups still work in VR, anything that has a top down camera can work really well if they design it properly (which can easily be done).

God games would work the best in VR thanks to the motion controllers that will come with the headsets. I'm really starving for something like Black & White again.

Right?

need gloves instead of controllers. or just wait for microsoft hologram thingy

Can't a man dream about a reasonably priced porn-headset?

Bundle with camera and moves 499. 699 sounds plausible if you throw a PS4 into the mix but most already have one.

Why'd you give him all that response when all he deserves is a reaction image and some greentext?

They already said that sometime in the futere it could happen. We already have remote play on PC. Even if they still lock it, there are still some people out there who will write the soft (like with remote play before official app).

>>>/vir/1827

Good, I never gave a shit about that gimmick anyway. Oh well, time to watch the industry search for another piece of gimmicky shit tech that I can latch onto for the next generation of vidya.

God, I fucking hate how shit this industry has become. I miss the days of when people just made good vidya.

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perfect example for why VR is just a gimmicky display that doesn't add anything new to the game

I'm bored, might as well waste time by responding to some shitty comment.

I don't see it happening. Especially with a peripheral that can drive their console sales.

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It adds an enormous field of view, you could just remove mini-maps in games like those because you wouldn't need it.

A man can dream user, a man can dream…

Just a question related to the replies in this shitty thread.

Since when Holla Forums is full of casual normalfags?

that it can latch*

I believe the main reason for this huge failure is the same reason as to why so many consoles or games won't sell well: no one asked for it, nor did their hardware and software developer make any effort at making something that people would have enjoyed using. And considering most of the people pushing for VR are trust fund leftist babies and desperate execs, this would explain the horrific costs, uninspired software, deceptive advertisement and non functionality of the concept as a whole. Literally none of those niggers in charge for VR development thought of any immersive idea for the act of physically moving forward and they all expected that the player would just rotate on himself or own expensive, huge living rooms to test his whole set as well as rotating chairs. It's Kinect 2.0.

And this is also why shit like the Wii sold like hotcakes: Nintendo, during their shift into the casualcore and before becoming Nu-tendo, realized that literally no one wants to stand up for three hours just to play some pretend tennis, so they used their inadequate nip technology and their well tested nip ingenuity to create what is essentially a waggling stick, with games that require you to just kinda-sorta nail the timing and movements rather than acting the entire thing with pinpoint accuracy - you can play most wii sport shit standing still and achieve even better results, but since that's not the way it was marketed most people played it the way they were told to. Compare and contrast with Sony and Microsoft trying to outdo Nintendo on movement fidelity and freedom of movement and look how terrible all their games and hardware is. Conversely, this is why Nintendo can't sell the Wii U (aside from lack of marketing), they're giving their customers what looks and feels like a tablet and telling them to use it to play games they're not used to. Add to that the terrible hardware on the controller itself and they might as well had sold the Wii U as an iPad competitor to make back what they spent producing it.

When did you start posting?

Since you came.

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btw I only used it once in some kind of computers event and the lady who was letting us test it told me to remove my glasses so I couldn't see shit in it. are there glasses friendly ones?

Thank god you're here to stop them

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No thanks.

I haven't used the Oculus, but the vive has a knob on the side that moves the screens inward and outward.

it was an oculus one. does that mean you can use it without glasses. this is actually cool.

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No clue

This is how your shit will look like.

What the fuck $300 gloves are you talking about? You're just making shit up, right? They wouldn't be that retarded. VR is for the mouse.

GEE I FUCKING WONDER WHY

I love my DK2 but this has been a shitshow of a launch
I put the blame squarely on facebook for being corner cutting dirtbags

Honestly the future of VR is split between diehard full body rigs and phones /w AR support, you can't do a middle ground
anyone who thinks seated headtracking is a viable selling point doesn't own a headset

You haven't used VR, clearly

It's because you stupid gamer gators ruining everything and holding back society

VR is love.
VR is boobs.

That's mobile shit, call me when they make a good PC VR RTS.

Last time I used it was at some dude's apartment. Why would they try and push some useless, expensive new equipment when the mouse is a perfectly fine and compatible way to move and select things?

Literally the only good thing about VR. Its porn.

No, that's the future of pc gaming. All VR games will act like mobile shit with micro transactions.

fucking reddit man

The guy I replied to was talking about God games and such in VR. Gloves would be an obvious evolution of the gimmick wagglesticks since the idea behind them is to "interact with your own hands".

Be they gloves or wagglesticks the point remains, why the fuck would I want to play a strategy game with those? I only lose precision and speed.

Why not use a fucking mouse?

Because it doesn't fucking work, locomotion makes 90% of users motion sick and it feels awful.

If you use VR just to sit down infront of the PC and play normal games just for 3D visuals you are fucked up

Because normalfags don't want to use neither standard controller or mouse. They want more shit strapped into 400$ bundle of VR for more (((immersion))).

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Why not read the fucking conversation?

because motion controls da future man, dude!

Only one other person has talked about gloves, and he never elaborated on anything he said, jackass.

Also it reminds me this.

Do you actually play games for fun? Does it really matter what you use to interact with your game as long as it works and it's fun? That's what design is supposed to be for nigger.

what the fuck is on that kid's head

Its the future.

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What, you don't like Frodo's hat?

Yeah and that one person was the one I was replying to. Are you so stupid you can't even follow a simple linear reply chain?


Because my enjoyment of games comes from the gameplay depth rather than gimmicky controls that lose appeal after 10 minutes and only get in the way afterwards.

He said motion controllers, not gloves, hombre.

Both are shit, though.

Those "gimmicky gloves" you keep talking about have a lot more potential for game design than a mouse, you grab and interact with something the way you want it instead of clicking which is limited to one action.

Only $800s I wish. I have a decent rig, but I'd need to drop over a grand to upgrade to a 1080 to have decent fidelity with VR. It's at least 1.5 grand investment for those with decent rigs. Low rigs are going to need new ram, graphics, and even chip set.

Meanwhile Sony's like $500 for everything, controllers, VR headset, camera, box that makes it work without upgrading your ps4, but the chuckle fucks aren't making this standard and are release it separate for $400 and you have to piece together the rest. Fuck that!

Sony will probably win VR and control the platform. Valve will own the high end units which will become increasingly irrelevant as costs go down and Sony catches up in quality. All their bundles are sold out. Sony took that advice to heart.

See , not to mention it was an example and the point remains the fucking same: you pay a relatively exorbitant amount for gimmicky trash.

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What if the gloves could feel you, man?

It is obvious that gloves - if they're done right - could offer detailed and intuitive interaction, far beyond what a mouse can do.

I want to make an AR tabletop RTS. It sounds like the coolest shit ever and there's no one that can try and convince me otherwise.

It would make for great porn.

Sure thing user, I'm sure Minority Report style trash will take over mice and keyboards soon :^).

Go push your gimmicks elsewhere, they will never catch on just like all the other gimmicks that looked futuristic but reality smacked them in the face. Productivity and efficiency are number 1, nobody wants to play games with shitty gloves you have to waggle around with when they can simply do the same in much less time with a mouse.

Yeah but touching the air would feel silly. I want glove + table or something.

That seems even farther off than a good display, though.

I just want to play flight and mech simulators without having multiple screens to simulate a cockpit.

what is this?

All good mechs sims are either old or third person actions on consoles anyway.

how could I forget this?

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Go push your gimmicks elsewhere, they will never catch on just like all the other gimmicks that looked futuristic but reality smacked them in the face. Productivity and efficiency are number 1, nobody wants to play games with shitty mice you have to waggle around with when they can simply do the same in much less time with a keyboard.

You can import 3d and 2d model into Tabletop Simulator and build your game from scratch. Not AR allright.

Not the people who pushed those amazind 3d tv's!

Oh…wait.
lel

Yes, how could you forget that all your video games will become like heavy rain.

But I want it to be AR. I want a war room on my dining table. I want to bring back the time when mums told their kids to get the games off the table because it's time for dinner.

So my life will become a lie?

Even the most naive implementation makes only a minority of users motion sick as long as camera control is never decoupled from head tracking. Furthermore, you get used to "bad" VR implementations pretty fast, so motion sickness only applies to casuals who don't invest time to develop their VR legs and stop the first time they've gotten slightly nauseous. Rest and repeat when you're feeling well again and motion sickness soon won't be a problem anymore for you.

*miss*

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The vive has a front camera…

wow

Yes, to record your parents reaction to you playing anime porn games.

Translucent screens taped to the front of aviator glasses are the future, user. None of that awkward heavy brick strapped to your head shit.

VR isn't a totally alien concept, it's been depicted in sci-fi and the virtualboy. There are lots of things in vidya that seemed weird at the time but are now normal.
VR was just a premature birth, it was good in theory but it just can't stand on its own right now. Some people are hoping to push the baby back inside the womb, but it won't work.

Yes it is, fucking humans stole it from us, bitches.

What does that have to do with gaming or having fun? If a game is designed around gloves, and offers you far more options to have fun with them than you can ever achieve with a mouse (which would be cumbersome to use in that kind of hypothetical game) then why the fuck would anyone still insist in using the mouse in that game and limiting yourself? Minority Report is not a good representation of what can be done with gloves.

Fucking disgusting

But asians aren't turks

user, what about the other 8 in your series?

I'd swarm her ass.
Right? RIGHT?!

Well what did you expect was going to happen? There is almost nothing to play on these VR devices, and the ones that do are usually mediocre games at best. Its simply way too expensive for something that's a gimmick, I mean its something you buy, enjoy for a few weeks, and then quickly get bored of. Another major problem was that companies like HTC and Oculus, now owned by Facebook, outright refuse to allow anything NSFW or pornographic be used on it. They alienated a billion dollar industry that ==MIGHT== have actually convinced people to buy the fucking thing. Instead they went with their SJW gut instincts and screwed them.

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East-Asians and Turks are both of Turan, friend.

Turanic pride, world wide.

I make a point of never dumping my OC.

problem is every VR hardware has their own special snowflake api with special snowflake games

VR is for dire need for unified API, similar to how OpenGL and DirectX was made to make all those early special snowflake GPUs. I imagine this won't go as smoothly since everyone wants their hardware to be the defacto standard and it will go on until the Last Man Standing wins the VR market (inb4 PSVR)

I'm upset, but I understand the times we live in.

$50 for HTC or Oculus shit when?

If VR actually allowed things like interactive Hentai or regular Porn, it might actually sell. As stated here it ==MIGHT== have convinced people to buy them. But since Facebook owns Oculus Rift, and they already stated they are not letting pornographic be developed for the Rift, HTC being hesitant about it to, and Google's new VR set coming out soon that will most likely also be against porn and hentai, they are missing out on a billion dollar industry

Weren't the two head guys of rift murdered? If I remember they both died in "Car Accidents" in the same week. Right after that whoever was the major shareholder then sold it to kikebook

I will buy this no matter what.

Cry more faggot, the future isn't that bleak you tear masturbating faggot.

The leaked Neo stuff indicated that Sony won't allow any feature differences between base and Neo versions of PS4 games. So PS4 games that support VR will have to support it on both models. The difference is that they'll probably just look like ass on the base PS4. I think that's part of the reason for Neo: so VR games won't look like ass on their platform, provided you cough up for the Neo.

Just almost as bleak right? Sjws control everything, and there's nothing any of us can do about it.

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A bunch of autists on a Mongolian cave painting board accelerated Gawker's death and turned most of the mainstream against SJWs. Don't be a defeatist.

Who would have thought that an expensive product that requires a high end pc to run and has little to no real games only tech demos would fail?

Nah, Its going to get big

Threadly reminder that Summer Lesson isn't being released in the West due to SJW pressure and you're doing nothing to stop this.

Gawker doesn't die. It just changes its name. The mainstream does not oppose sjws either, as they still support feminism. They may not identify as feminists, but they'll support any feminist cause thrown in their faces. It was over before it ever began because men will do anything for women.

I'm more curious what the Neo will offer that the Xbox Scorpio doesn't. We all know Scorpio is pretty much forcing you to buy a HD 4K TV to even get any use out of it, and mind you the cheapest ones you can get that aren't shit go for like $700

Here's the 'make or break' question: how powerful are their PCs?

The secret to making something become 'big' with normalfags is Apple streamlining it into a buzzword 'i' product.

what if we had VR+gloves, but the gloves, when you touch something in-game, sent a signal to your brain, through your hands, relaying the texture so you FEEL whatever you're touching. So like if you're just groping the air, but in the game you're groping tiddies, you'd feel the soft, supple skin, the tension, the squish, the bumps of the nipples, everything. Or if you pick up a rock, you'd feel the coarse, solidness of it, or if it's polished, feel how cold and smooth it is, the weight of it even, depending on how small or large it is in-game.

I guess basically what I'm talking about is full-dive shit. but with gloves though in something like full-dive, you don't need any other peripherals.

I WANT TO BELIEVE WE'LL ACHIEVE THIS ONE DAY

That still a waifubate game user, that still won't help oculus rift that much.

For the price of a VR device I could buy a good new PC. Unless the price goes down dramatically, I'll always chose a new PC over VR

They know how to recognize overt SJWs now, and hate them. They can't operate openly without alienating a lot of people. It's a victory.
Also, no, Gawker is basically dead. The sale to Univision was basically just selling a name; you can bet that a big "restructuring" will follow. Hell, they might not even use the brand at all.


We won't know until we have full specs for both machines. Sony has a conference today, where they'll probably announce the Neo. Maybe we'll get more info then.

Lol no, fortunately they dont suck Apples cock because they're neither American nor Chinese.
Many have shown interest in owning a rig though, especially the ones who work.

Keep believing, fucko, but even if they come out with such technology, no one is going to bother buy such crap. Not even you could afford it.

Wow. Literally nobody could have expected that.

No they fucking don't. They can't even figure out what is and isn't censorship, how the fuck are they going to recognize overt sjws? You expect way too much of people. Gawker may be dead, but their writers are still alive.

Man, I feel old. I remember people saying this in 96.

There's gloves with motors that give tactile feedback, so to the one wearing the gloves it feels like there's an object in their hands. Doesn't work quite as well for your entire body though, so it's limited to grabbing small objects. And they all feel like glove.


Sorry user, but the moment corporations make something capable of forcing your brain to feel things with signals is the moment I blow my brains out.

I hope that's sarcasm. It's a shame they never bothered to think of any sort of backwards compatibility, at least these rubes would have real games to play. May not get your retarded head on a swivel in most of it but at least they'd get the 3D aspect. Stereoscopic hardware has been doing that forever. They must have exquisitely retarded driver developers.

You're out of touch. I don't mean your fucking grandma could, but anyone in an English speaking country who's under 30 is aware of the phenomenon.

The last part is the most true.

Videogames made today are fucking shit. Terrible. No effort no excuse shitpiles. If we had RPGs like Morrowind (hopefully more detailed mechanically by now) coming out instead of non-games like Skyrim I'd have been all over VR simply because the game would be good enough. But there are no good games, so why would I ever get VR?

how many people killed themselves over this shit you think?

I'd love to see how hispanic America and muslim Europe develop VR
maybe the japs will

>playstationlifestyle.net/2016/01/07/summer-lesson-vr-eu-trademark/

Really? Because i don't have to do shit to get it, eventually. psvr lol

The same ones going out of their way to defend putting more minorities into games? Please.

You think that normalfags are doing that? Jesus, you really are retarded.

Who else would be giving them hundreds of thumbs up?

An incredibly overblown threat.
They are trust fund babies who stay with jobs due to cronyism.
They are incredibly weak and unintelligent despite always claiming to be strong and educated.

They will fail given time however you actually give them more power by creating this narrative that they are all powerful and can't be stopped.

They are already turning into infighting as on special snowflake groups encounters another.

Look how pissed feminists get about MTF trannies.

You know SJWs make bots and sockpuppets like a hobby, right? Did you even read the leaked chatlogs?

It's not for us, let's face it.
Commerical industries will gain far more from this technology than consumers will until it's fully realized.

It's the DOD rule. The consumers don't get things until five years after the commercial sector gets it, which isn't until five years after the DOD gets it.

We can also use more general terms like cultural marxist if you'd like. SJW is just faster to write. The entirety of Nu Male's Sky dev team fits under that category easy.

It's a nonsense term. You might as well call it "cultural Kantianism."

Irrelevant. The elites don't need to justify themselves to the hoi polloi.

Are you one of those "communism has never been tried" types?

Nope, just someone who actually reads books, including the ones I disagree with.

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Stop being a cultural dadaist, user.

Rekt

Honestly I'm inclined not to believe you when you can't go without insulting and refuse to state your reasons.

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Just pack your bags and head home buddy, your ass was destroyed.

kek


That wasn't my intention. It's just that "cultural Marxism" is nothing more than a meme, and anyone who unironically uses it literally does not know what Marxism is. It makes no more sense to call SJWs that than it does to call them "cultura Paretoists."

Believe whatever you want.

Oculus killed it

Valve was taking its time, waiting to introduce it and blow people away with a 300 buck headset+vivecontroller setup

Oculus, the biggest liars in the universe,
sold out to Facebook to 'make' it cheaper, then sold their headset for twice the price and made sure it only worked on their store, then they complain about the xbox controller not being enough….and then they add a xbox controller to their oculus lineup

so many things that they did wrong,
they poisoned the well!!!they poisoned VR!!!

See
If you're not meaning to insult someone's intelligence with this then you must have a severe case of social disability that disconnects you from reality. As expected of a cultural marxism denier.
Hey if you want to live in denial you just do that, commie scum.

No one asked for it but it sure generated a lot of hype.

90% of the reason it didn't sell is because it was too expensive. Not only do you have to shell out $500 on experimental hardware with hardly any games, but you had to have a very recent, high specced computer to actually run the dame thing. If you look at steam statistics the vast majority of gamers don't have computers worth more than $600-$700, and are using 1-3 year old graphics cards. VR is just too fucking expensive.

I know what I posted, thanks.

I'm obviously implying in that post that people who use the term haven't read the relevant literature, because if they had, they'd realize that it's a nonsense term. If I hurt your feelings, that's on you.

where_do_you_think_you_are.jpeg

lel

Perfect. Now that you have nothing substantial to say, you have to resort to insinuating my views, because it can't be disproven. That other guy was right, you are bootyblasted.

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How does cultural marxism not mean 'the cultural aspects of the things that marx taught/studied'?

>>>/suicide/

Truly, utter nonsense.


Marx was one of the core influences on the Frankfurt school, and the most recognizable and consistent name in leftist thinking. Objecting to the fact that he wasn't the only one to influence his train of thought is akin to objecting to Keynesian economics or Newtonian physics.

Lets be honest, we're not ready for VR. The tech isn't ready. It looks pretty for sure, but I don't think we'll see it take off until its at holodeck levels of good. Personally, I don't want VR to stop happening, but I don't want it to go out the same way as motion controls, which were always a shit idea while VR has potential.

Oh my you're going all out on this aren't you? So where are you on the spectrum? since you apparently fell for the "everyone is autistic because I say so meme" it must be very easy for you to admit how mentally handicapped you are. I'm obviously not going to try and convince a useful idiot that he is a useful idiot. Since we all know that's impossible from our good friend Yuri. And no, we all know that you haven't read jack shit and can't point to anything that doesn't have a ratface or commie propaganda.

Shills are out in force today

It doesn't. Read the definition, it's basically applying Marx's thought process to culture instead of class.

Its building up slowly

Why wouldn't you dump your OC?

So what? SJWs are a modern phenomenon, the Frankfurt connection is nonexistent. It grew out of third-wave feminists who didn't understand philosophy.

Debatable.

Nothing in Marx's work is comparable to SJWs.

Keynesianism is no longer accepted in mainstream economics, friendo. Neo-Keynesians are still a thing, though.


Separating quotes and their responses by a blank line is perfectly normal here. If I were separating each sentence that wasn't a response to a quote, then you might have something. As it is, you just seem desperate.

Do you often claim to know things without evidence? Seems pretty typical.

In Marxism, that term is an oxymoron. The only references I can find to it are anthropological (and which I assume just refer to the things that a given culture makes), and postdate Marx. Marx's view was that the material conditions of society form a base, upon which culture and all other things unrelated to production are built. "Cultural materialism" in this context makes no sense, because culture is subservient to production. No matter how much you think you know better, you're spouting a meme with no basis in history. I don't understand why you're so desperate to link Marx and SJWs, but there simply is no link. Marxism is a method of interpreting history and economics.
Marx took Hegel's dialectical method and inverted it. We don't call the resulting method "cultural Hegelianism," we call it Marxist dialectics (or materialist dialectics). If there are SJWs who use Marx's method, then it's something new. But the name Hegel doesn't trigger you fucks like Marx does, so you don't call it "cultural Hegelianism."

There, I've already given more thought to the term than anyone who uses it unironically has.

This guy is fairly acoustic.

Autist, please. I just asked where you fit on the spectrum. At least answer the one thing you were supposed to reply to.

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Is this a maymay I don't know about?


I haven't been diagnosed, so I guess it's a mystery. :^)

Ok then. Maybe you should. You seem pretty low functioning.

Are you capable of thought outside of memes?

It's being proven RIGHT FUCKING NOW that memes force social interaction out of autists like you.

Since you're the only one who keeps talking about memes I assume you are just projecting. Or you hilariously misunderstand what the term "meme" refers to and you just parrot it because you somehow managed to convince yourself that it could possibly be an insult (which it definitely isn't).

Well at least you've given up on your original argument.

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I have not given up anything. I just understand that there is no way to convince a useful idiot.

They really should allow the devices to run at lower resolution on inferior devices so people can at least watch VR videos on them without a GFX card.

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oh boy can't wait to masturbate to anime shit because realistic models will be uncanny valley when their collisions, particles, hair simulation that are PS2 tier.

can't wait to see anime PS2 boobs physics on a realistic scanned porn whore.

can't wait to have motion sickness and not seeing shit because I use glasses.

It could be the next cellphone.

But remember that the first cellphone happened in the early 80s and it wasn't untill 95-2000 that it became mainstream.

It could also completely die like 3D TV.

It doesn't help that you all but admit to not actually reading anything relevant to the subject at hand. If the best you can do is post condescending images, then yeah, sorry I'm not convinced.
Let's assume you're right, and cultural Marxism is a real thing. What would you recommend I read in order to learn more about it?

Why the hell would somebody advertise hardware DRM gimmicks to Holla Forums, where piracy support is rampant?
They should come back once they have some sort of realistic intercourse simulation program, until then, it won't gain much interest in here.

VR's great and I love it (conditionally), but this isn't surprising in the least.
There are so many problems with it.

The hardware itself is basically perfect. Sure it can be improved with better specs, better resolution, but it does exactly what it says on the tin - blows your fucking mind with virtual reality immersion that's so real your brain accepts it as your real physical space.
Hooray, right?

Nah.
The biggest problem is with the software developers. Remember that mechanically mediocre but atmospherically fantastic game Alien Isolation? It had native VR support baked into it even though it was disabled by the devs before release. Playing that is what convinced me to get VR.
That's not the direction VR games went, sadly. Instead of fully immersive games with full freedom of movement that you control naturally with WASD or a controller, you have shit where you are rooted in place like a camera, and have to point a virtual laser pointer at a place to teleport around.
"Why the fuck would they do this?" you might ask. It's because the average limp wristed faggot gets motion sickness for absolutely no good fucking reason the second they start to move in VR. These are the same people who get motion sickness from playing any FPS game from Doom to Call of Duty - people who have no business being within 10 feet of vidya let alone developing it. BUT THAT'S TOO BAD, VR VIDYA IS BEING DEVELOPED SOLELY FOR THE MENTALLY HANDICAPPED. FUCK YOU IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE VIRTUAL FUN IN YOUR VIRTUAL REALITY.

The second problem isn't as bad, but it definitely didn't help - the fucking cost. Holy hell that shit is expensive for no justifiable reason. The tech inside isn't even that impressive - it's mostly just extremely clever software that makes the perfectly ordinary hardware do fancy things.

It's stupidity from the ground straight up to the highest levels that turned one of the most legitimately amazing technologies of the modern age into nothing more than a gimmick.

RIP innovation. RIP technology. The whole tech industry is dominated by salesmen instead of product developers, so nothing ever created will ever go anywhere, ever again.

The teleport-movement thing isn't a permanent problem. There's no reason that software developers can't put out products for people who don't get motion sick as easily.

The whole fucking point of Oculus Rift DK1 was to demonstrate that the price, performance and size of commodity consumer hardware parts could enable presence at a reasonable price. Oculus was to bootstrap the industry with a platform for others to build on, in open collaboration with the rest of the VR community and continue iterating on their hardware designs incorporating the latest innovations in the field. These developer kits would gradually phase into an ecosystem of consumer VR devices.

Facebook did the opposite: moved their R&D into secrecy, closed down their platform, rushed a $599 luxury gimmick machine with no games or hand tracking and has abandoned incremental hardware improvements. CV1 titles aren't even backwards compatible with DK1/2.

Valve didn't do much better, but hopefully whatever exclusivity deal they signed with HTC will run out soon and other vendors will step in to fix the market.

Again you are projecting.
How exactly is >>10636778 condescending?
I just gave you two videos (3 hours) of a former KGB agent telling you that his job was to produce useful idiots like you. Do you want books? How about
Cultural Marxism in Postwar Britain: History, the New Left, and the Origins of Cultural Studies (Post-Contemporary Interventions)or The Death of the West. I don't see why information being in a book somehow validates it more than being given in any other way. Should Yuri have written a book where what he talked about was in? Would that make it valid? Why are only books valid information and why do you imply that they are always valid information?

Really, I'd be more surprised if it caught on as intended. This kind of shit is why the Virtual Boy, 3D TVs and etc. sunk immediately, too much cost for too much bullshit and not enough payoff, especially when we're talking about ADD normalfags who lose attention within 30 seconds if not properly enthralled.

That's a very rational point, but the people developing VR vidya aren't rational people. They're the kind of people who think failure states are a failure of the developer.

Oh, well then let's make it overt. Have you ever read a book about economics, philosophy, SJWs, the Frankfurt School, Marx, or any of the other things we're talking about?

I was referring to your most recent image, which again implies that I'm a commie, because you somehow think that will make you right.

I just gave you two videos
Yeah, we all know about Yuri.

Thanks. I'll give it a read.

Doesn't seem related to SJWs or "cultural Marxism" from what I can tell.

It's easier to critique. Books generally cite their sources, whereas most videos don't. Authors are confident enough in their work to seek out publishers and stand behind it. They tend to be better researched, better organized, and more cohesive.

It couldn't hurt.

They aren't, I just think they're better for learning about and debating most subjects, especially abstract or academic ones, for the reasons given above.

I don't know about cultural Marxism but I do know the most hardcore ture-believer SJWs are just regular, old fashioned Marxists.

They believe capitalism is another system of oppression designed to keep people heterosexual and cisgendered and thus Marxism is essential to LGBTACBDEFG+ liberation.

I'm sure these people write books but I haven't read any of them. Here's something you can listen to though:

marxismconference.org/index.php/previous-highlights/audio-archives/item/1310-The-role-of-the-left-in-the-struggle-for-LGBTI-rights.html

This gimmick never died, it had a stillbirth.

First of all I just gave you two. Second of all what you just said has no bearing on what you said previously. You said I hadn't read anything. You didn't ask me if I had read anything. And again reading is not the only source of information in the world.
So 1/4 and you argue that "the best you can do is post condescending images". Who exactly is the person being condescending here?
If you know about him then conversation is over. You lose.
Denial.
No its not. And even if it was then that would just make the critique less valid as you clearly imply simplification/generalisation of the book instead of the points it brings. Otherwise you wouldn't insist on books.
Just look up a transcript for either of the videos then. There's your book.
Basically you just want to sound intelligent, but utterly fail at being more than a useful idiot.

Ah well I should stop. Entertaining an autistic redditurd who is in denial about being a useful idiot isn't conducive to this thread topic.

Oh, I didn't realize this derailed into another politics thread, like most of Holla Forums.

Only retards buy the first gen of a new technology. They haven't even solved half the problems with it yet.

Just wait till the porn games start coming out

Because the tech is good I still have hope it will catch on eventually when the price goes down, this isn't like Kinect or just motion controllers where they marketed it solely for games, where they made the most retarded ass games in existence + didn't feel good at all for the former and was just halfassed technology for the latter. The VR tech can be used for shit that isn't games as well, where the developers can make actually useful and practical shit.

Yeah, just like 99% of all books about the holocaust.

And have you read them? You seem pretty coy about answering a simple question.

You.

Yuri doesn't say, "cultural Marxism = SJWs, I know because I grew up with gommies," so no, I don't. I really do appreciate that book recommendation, though.

Fucking how, what am I denying? I haven't even read the book yet. The subtitle is How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization so I don't think it's going to have anything to say about "cultural Marxism." If it does, then fine.

Books have tables of contents, chapters, bibliographies, and all manner of other things that make them easier to find specific passages, references, and additional material. If you find videos just as informative as books, fine, but I don't.

Looks like you didn't read my reasons for preferring books.

Yes, you should.

Remember, kids, anyone who doesn't agree with you is an outsider and probably mentally handicapped, too. It's impossible to actually discuss a subject, you have to imply that you're superior and the other is subhuman.

What does this bullshit have to do with VR?

jooz

XDDD le memes!

Jesus Christ you guys keep bitching about the lack of games but you sure didn't give the industry any time to make one before jumping the gun and declaring it a failure.

We live in a world of on disc DLC, Kickstarter and Early Access.

Go figure.

You format like a redditor. Stop formatting like a redditor if you don't want to be called a redditor. I informed you why you looked like a redditor earlier here if you keep formatting like a redditor then you simply get what you ask for. Not my fault you want to be known as one.
You said yourself you were mentally handicapped here
I assume you are referring to the "useful idiot" term here? If you actually knew of Yuri you would know that the term was created by the soviets when they were making your kind of people. You are their product, the "useful idiot". It is simply what your kind has always been called by your masters. I am not calling you that out of spite. I am calling you that out of objective classification.

Please keep your terrible ad homs to yourself. They are not even applicable.

The only Yuri that matters here is pure love. Fuck off, faggot.

Post some VR Yuri please.

Yeah, I was right, you are retarded.

As long as I'm not a useful idiot I'm fine with being retarded. Now post VR pure love.

VR is an empty gimmick, it has no yuri, it has no grace, it has no support.

People are waiting for the price to drop, $600 is way too much, had it been $300 as they promised things would have be different.

HTC is the best but it's also the most expensive, it is not worth it unless you're filthy rich even if you're an enthusiast.

Once the price drops to around $150-200 it will sell like hotcakes and it will keep selling until AR is good enough to replace it.

I doubt the non-enthusiasts will pay more than 50$ for it unless a really good game comes out with lots of hype behind it, selling the game and the VR for 100-150$ maximum.

I actually really wish VR becomes successful still. It has huge potential.

It's just that what we have now is trash.

Why does reverse image search think lana is donald trump?

Being this asshurt

Because Trump will make anime real.

i want to fuck ouya-tan

rent one, hot glue it and bring it back

*tarriffed

MOTION CONTROLS 2.0

OSVR sounds like what Oculus was originally before it got ruined by Facebook. It would be great if it got more dev support.

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Don't remind me.
vrphub.com/

These are the only posts worth reading in this thread.

Because having a conversation and making actual jokes about VR is way less interesting than posting overused smug anime grils.

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user, that would be horrendously costly.

WEW

The Vive would be great if there was anything to play on it.

But that user is right - a ton of smug girls won't make a good thread, some people go as far as post multiple images probably because they can't contain their autism or hormones. It serves well for the purpose of being "like other cool guiz on the district" but that's just pandering to a herd mentality.

Speaking about VR though, I remember Oculus gays forcing some developers to lock the game to their gay VR only, before that it was changing the policy of Oculus Rift and before it was buying the whole kikestarter VR for millions, all that trying to monopolize not even a market and getting fucked in the ass because no one bothered to make that market. Feels good to see kikerberg and huge corps get fucked.

I've been keeping my eye on this one, might get the next version, right now it's just a cheaper rift with software that doesn't play nice with a lot of games/demos yet, i expect it to get a lot better over time.

VR is ten years too early for the tech. (A HMD addon only works in the mass market, when it basically runs on a potato.)
VR is more than ten years too late for good games.
That is the reason why it's kill.

Most people have phones, so have HMDs.

All "steam" users are traitors and their decisions are based on deferring threat from them and gaining access better things as if they are part of their cowardice.

Specialised viewers are redundant. What isn't: Cheap glasses with lenses set to focus the close up screen and 2Dto3D conversion software.

I don't like phones myself. But since laptops are generally too large to be portable phones could replace them.

He specs in comparison are a joke.

Laptops should come without screens. Stream visuals to a phone to convert and display in 3D. Laggy through wireless but simple. Laptops just specs on one leg and batteries on the other. Connected by belt. Could be made stylish. Even like lingerie for girls. Part of clothing. Processor clothing. People can spend more on clothes and look good all the time with one set of clothes. Solar too. More incentive to explore. Less demand for reviews.

Get your own opinions and leave the rest of the people selling theirs to speak to the traitors giving them attention.