F-35 Aerial Demonstration

Thats why all the top gun they picked for the first ever airshow, stuck with barrel rolls and loopdiloops.

No it's not, it's a flying pig. That's because its wings are way too small. It's not going to survive in a dogfight.

Wake me up when it can do this anything like the Sukhoi in pulls off.

Then post footage of an F-35 doing so.

I decided i wasn't going to watch the webm because rage, but then i still did and holy fuck this thing is like flying obesity.

All that tax payer money, un-fucking-believable. It's the Bradley Fighting Vehicle all over again; designed to be everything, capable of nothing.

Do you really think kikes are going to fly in that death trap? No, that shitshow is for you, goys.

thedrive.com/the-war-zone/10665/israel-is-getting-a-single-f-35-test-jet-unlike-any-other

Military News Update: 1 hour long explanation on why the JSF/F35 is absolute shit. Using data from 2016.

TOPKEK

Designer of the F16 and A10 gives his opinion on the F35.

The Jet That Ate The Pentagon.

Question for the anti F-35 crowd, what do you respond to this?

Well in the first two sentences he's already lying because it still can't turn for shit. And no one said it wasn't stealthy, everyone is saying that stealth is a meme and it is. There's an hour long explanation of why the F35 is absolute shit, using data from 2016, right there:

So there's your answer.

who cares? its been an extreme drain on tax dollars that can be out into somewhere else like deporting spics, building a wall that is still missing, fixing my god damn roads and bridges with giant potholes, fixing the shit education system we have, fuck even going to space is better. litwrally no reason to have another shitty plane when we arent at war and never will go to war in this globalized kike world. shove your jewish f35 up your ass you neocon military industrial compled kike

Trump vs the F35.

The sources in this video say the plane is 70% over budget, so that's another nail in the coffin of the lying F35 faggot in this pic

Aircucks on suicide watch.
Seriously, burgers should spend money on something else than just le epin airforce.
Get more artillery you cucklords.

meanwhile in russia

USA's new method of warfare is funding and arming terrorists, then declaring a 'No Fly-Zone' where they bomb the shit out of governments so that terrorists can easily take over.

They have no need for anything but airforce.

Rekt.

F35 has going for it

This is an example of trying to be everything at once for every service and accomplishing none of it. It would have been better to invest in a true next generation air superiority fighter, create a next generation A10, and a next generation bomber. Rolling all three into one fat stubby jet that fails at all three missions isn't going to help anyone. This thing will exist only in small quantities, and will quietly disappear over the next decade.

The chinks and russkies would just defeat the JewSA in cyber warfare.

This, excellent summary.

/thread

It's not going to disappear, the F35 is a political toy. It's all about money and jobs.

To be fair there's a lot of footage of F-35 stalling when trying to pull a high alpha.

Tge military is an economic stimulus program, this makes sense

Also, the F35 loses against nearly every other fighter out there in combat simulation. It can't even beat the old F16 in simulation. So that's why they now meme that the F35 actually isn't a fighter (kek, i thought it served all roles?) but that it's a 'smart plane' that can detect enemy fighter craft from very long distances so it can stay away from them.

That's pretty cool, but that also means that if your enemy is patrolling the skies then the F35 is just getting cucked because it can't even approach. If it does, and it gets caught, then it's game over because the damn thing can't turn, can't climb, can't run away. And it will get caught because stealth is a meme (remember Serbia, they caught 'stealth' planes with crappy soviet-era equipment that took 15 minutes to set up). Finally, the F35 also has no ability to loiter, so when a real war starts the ideal place for this cuckjet would be on the ground, where it can look cool with all its meme gadgets.

… You were thinking about this fucking controller yesterday or today too, weren't you? H-hivemind?

god damnit what is this shit america

/THREAD

F35 is garbage, it was always intended to be a tax payer endless suck hole.

I know, it is just wishful thinking. I grew up on an USAF base where there were A10s. I always loved them, and as I got older I have learned more about them. To see such a capable platform completely retired from active service in exchange for this shit pisses me off.

These planes are literally retarded and silly to make in the modern world. This thing ain't designed to fight terrirists. That's what drones are for. This thing supposed to fight conventional war? Lol k have a retarded plane do… do something while hundreds of nukes are shot. So stupid. Literally the only purpose of this is military propaganda and to keep the military budget fat. No other purpose. It is useless toy. We should be building nuclear bombs and satellite lasers and war viruses and micromachines and fucking terminators/cybermen.

According to lockheed it can pull a sustained 45^ AoA.
Even basic MiG-29 and Su-27 variants could sustain an >70^ before TV and in the 80s. Still no video provided demonstrates its 45^ being sustained.
It'd better since it sure seemed to stall a lot after trying to pull said 45^ AoA.

For a plane its size its range is very good. But it's still a small plane.

Yeah, if said loadout were bombs. F-16, an old and single-engined fighter, proved itself to have slightly superior transonic and low subsonic acceleration in air-to-air configuration equivalent of F-35's internal bays load (2 AMRAAMs and 2 sidewinders), even when its legacy engine provides less than 130kN of thrust when F-35's F135 provides more than 180kN.

Good but Russians were experimenting with back-firing Archer variants since the early 90s. The French have done that with the Rafale and Mica compination, so it's not ground breaking.

Projected is the keyword here. Its unit price still remains at nearly double of that.
Go to wikipedia. Check the #specifications sectionbs.

The VTOL version does not even have a gun.

If by "they" you mean "none" then that's correct. Still its true stealth only in the full frontal aspect. Round exhausts don't particularly work for stealth.

You can't lock on with L-bands but with a pair (or more) of them you can triangulate and focus the rest of your sensors at said "vague" direction and distance. That's why Su-35 and Pak-Fa both have an L-antenna in each wing.

It doesn't actually have real supercruise, it can just reach supersonic without the use of afterburner.

I remember reading something about microwave ovens being used. Was that bullshit?

If you really want capable modern war planes, just get the teams that worked on the F16 and A10 lead the project for a new fleet.

OP got raped so hard by the first post, he never even bothered to comment again.

cheeki breeky can get out of a stall whenever he wants.

more likely OP was just posting bait, knowing people were so eager to
him they would chow down like a fatty at mcdonalds

They were used to troll the ARM missiles. A literal radiation honey pot. Smart fuckers.

Their obsolete radars were more like the equivalent of toasters. Despite this the radars could already detect the 'stealth' planes, Yugoslavs discovered that they showed up on long wavelength. When the B-2's got wet or opened their bomb bays they showed up on everything. But the real kicker is that they didn't even need to show up on radar, since they could simply guess the flight paths based on what they had bombed.

The one they shot down was detected by modified radar equipment, but they never disclosed what they modified. So yeah, it might as well have been microwaves. It really doesn't matter though, the US never got to bomb the wreckage so the Yugoslavs invited Russia to come pick it up for studying and reverse engineering, meaning US stealth technology was already compromised as early as 1999.

To be fair modern microwave ovens have probably a higher energy output than Serbian radars.

Anyone know the developmental budget for the su-35 compared to the f-35?

Read somewhere that Russian designers are basically working with bread crumbs compared to the ones at Lockheed martin

Simply looking at the defense budgets of USA and Russia will tell you enough.

F-35 comes from F-22, that comes from YF-22
its kind of strange how similar it used to look to current Russia`s Sukhoi`s and other planes during testing

They gave that wreckage to the Chinese AFAIK. After that, the Chinese embassy in Serbia was bombed.

And this is also why 'stealth' is a meme. Shitty generals want magic wonder planes that can fly past everything and strike whatever they point at on the map, but real warfare means going to war, gaining air superiority, providing ground support and taking enemy ground.

The Japanese kept journals of their fight against the Americans and they were awed by the cooperation between their ground forces, air forces and naval forces. That's how you fight a war.

They invited Russians to inspect the wreckage, later some of it went to Russia. There's still some parts of it left in a museum in Belgrade.

Russian aircraft design is beautiful.
You know why? They start with a stable airframe. They design their aircraft so that without any real effort the aircraft can fly in a stable manner on its own.
Then they start making it unstable with fly by wire trickery.

The USA and the west take the opposite approach starting with an airframe that can't fly without constant computer assistance.

The day will come where people get hired to shitpost F35's into the ground.

Not actually true. Sukhoi had been the world's highest revenue military aircraft exporter during the 00s thanks to the Su-30MK-series deals it cut with the third world. The Su-35 is cheap despite being arguably better than some fighters of nearly twice its cost because it has a long line of commercially successful predecessors that had its development price driven down dramatically. I doubt its flyaway cost is actually lower than its equivalent overpriced western 4.5+ gen fighters.

It's the same reason why will forever be a cockmongling queerlord living in unicornland with his $84million unit price when the F-35's program's projected cost is over 2 trillion (and rising) at this point and when its actual cost has already surpassed F-22's $270+ billion in 2017.

Everyones figured out how to beat stealth reliably.
The Chinese and Russians figured it out through years of effort and watching US aircraft flying around near Japan and in Europe.
The EU nations figured it out by accident during wargames.

You need multiple radar sources sharing information.
The Eurofighter does this automatically between groups of them. Meaning a group of Eurofighters are capable of detecting any stealth aircraft in their range.
Which is why US stealth aircraft rarely show up to wargames anymore.

Both approaches have their benefits.
But the USA hasn't really proven itself able to take advantage of those in recent aircraft.

On top of that the F35 is a maintenance nightmare. Nothing is up to original spec in terms of life.

I can't recall precisely, but didn't it need to be grounded for 5 days after a single flight?

Yeah, it's almost as bad as the Nazi brass' unfortunate obsession with wonder weapons

Sometimes. Depends if something goes wrong.
It's not normally that bad but it does require an excessive number of man hours between flights.

The VTOL capability is one of the biggest problems.
Literally nothing about it is good from a maintenance standpoint.
It's maintenance requirements have only grown in scope and frequency as they've found how shit it is.

With the slight difference that they actually made wonder weapons that worked and knew to abandon them when they didn't.

Actually wrong.

Relaxed stability (that would make most planes unfliable without Fly By Wire) has been a staple for fighters since the mid 70s.

Su-27's production was delayed for nearly a decade because the prototype was completely unfliable without a modern FBW that Russians did not have back in the late 70s. Both MiG-29 and Su-27 were the designs of theoretical research of mathematicians ans aerodynamicists for future "aerodynamically perfect" fighters with little regards of technical feasibility. Then the Kremlin gave the designs over to Sukhoi and Mikoyan and asked them to DO IT. Mikoyan chose a more conventional approach that lead to the more compact but equally impressive MiG-29 and Sukhoi tried to be more faithful to the suggested design so they had to wait for another half decade until the USSR could invent the necessary onboard computers to fly that monster.

Neither approach disappointed.

f35.com/news/detail/f-35-demo-pilot-paris-performance-will-crush-years-of-misinformation

While SU-35 is stripped off of everything at airshows. Keep that in mind.

Also keep in mind that F-35 is not fully developed yet and currently there is a limitation in maximum g-force:

aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-demo-pilot-paris-performance-will-crush-years-misinformation

You do realize that the f35 is supposed to be close air support. It's replacing the f35. It shouldn't ever be in a dogfight.

Additionally, ability to go slow and stay on target is a beneficial quality in CAS.

But also none of this matters and come civil war 2 we'll have to shoot these things down with MANPADs so hopefully it is a piece of shit.

Sage for shit thread.

Said increasingly nervous lockike for the 6millionth time.

Ability to go slow and low maximum speed are not the same thing.

Replacing the A10* Still saged.

This is false, the F35 very much was marketed as the wonder plane to fill all roles, including dogfights. Pierre Sprey counters that lie once again in this debate (vid related).

I recommend you watch this, because an F35 boi is making all the familiar excuses and Sprey takes them apart one by one. The F35 can't do a damn thing without escort and in a real war it is nothing but a target.

Also, the fact they now drop their dogfighting claims means the figurative screws are already coming loose on this façade of a budget hole.

I wonder how much has Lockheed spent on that comment section.

By now they probably spend more on PR than their flying death trap.

I really like how Pierre Sprey talks from a viewpoint of actual combat, whereas defenders of the F35 live in fantasy land where everything goes their way.

They shot down F-117 not B-2, you dumb ass.

The USA will pretty soon have no dogfighter.
It's gonna be the F-4 Phantom all over again. But worse because they can't just squeeze a cannon in

Then again, gems like these say it all.

Read the actual article and learn that it is already happened.
Sure.

Yeah yeah, the Nighthawk, it's a meme plane either way.

People clocked the plane turning and it performs worse than an F16, which is why it also lost against said F16.

The demo was also done with a stripped down plane on a light gas tank. Meaning in actual combat it's a flying pig.

nice

What a bunch of shit. 4 AIM-120's in internal bays may technically be a "combat loadout", but not a very fucking useful one is it? And those four air-to-air missiles clock in at about 600kg total, which is well under 10% of the F-35's internal fuel capacity. …how much fuel was used during the Paris Air Show?

What a joke. Face the facts: they only did a "combat load" (a pathetic one at that) to give the plane an excuse for being such a turd.

And as always - no sources.

Answer me faggot:

it's like the F35 is a tranny plane amirite
yup

It is so funny to see how people bitching about citing Lockheed Martin (the actual official information form the actual manufacturer of F-35) like citing Vox and some irrelevant oldfag is better.

The torfag refuses to answer me, I wonder why!

Faggot, how much fuel was the F-35 carrying during the Paris Airshow?

The flight was not impressive in its own right if it's the shit in OP's video.

Yeah. Lockheed is obviously the least biased source.

Cite some sources or GTFO.

Dipshit that's not something they "figured out", that's what people knew long before they actually developed low radar cross section aircraft. You need to bombard the target with plenty of radar emissions from multiple angles. The exercise in which two Euro-fighters got a target lock on and F-22 also included 3 AWACS loaned by the US for the trial. The point of wargames is not to "win" but to test either equipment, tactics, or the cohesion and operational efficiency of units in coordination. Often the point of an exercise is to test a counter to something employed by the forces staging the war game. Hence why they specifically crafted a scenario to determine what criteria were needed to target an aircraft with a low radar cross section using information relayed to an air superiority fighter in engagement rage of the target. You can't just have three planes with standard radar suites like the Eurofighter flying around searching for an aircraft with such a small cross section. Their maximum engagement range against the F-22 is much longer than F-22 with regards to the Eurofighter. Unless you have specialized support you will be shot down.

It was a proof of concept aircraft, extremely primitive. And they shot it down because the used the same rout between the enemy SAM sites so they just filled that space with anti-air and played the odds. Eventually something got close enough to detonate and thus knocked down the aircraft.

The entire point of stealth isn't magic invisibility and nobody who isn't a retard thinks it was designed to be such. All it does is reduce the effective range of radar defenses, in effect a SAM site barrier which once protected an area will have to be tightened with additional sites, incurring the costs inherent to that investment, to ensure a low cross section aircraft cannot fly between the coverage of the sites. Similarly the low cross section aircraft allows it to use passive radar and IR sensors to increases its engagement rage and force opposing aircraft to use active radar emissions to detect it which further extends its effective engagement range by making the enemy more visible. This can be overcome by having large numbers of support aircraft operating beyond the range of the munitions carried by the opposing low radar cross section aircraft.

I bet you faggots think the Millenium Challenge was a really poignant display of the obsolescence of aircraft carriers.

Also F-35 is a waste of money because multi-role aircraft are always shit.

Does any of that shit make it harder for missiles to hit the plane? If not, then who cares?

They always do this on their demonstrations, they don't deny it either.

When war comes around, we're better off sending F35 fanbois to war than the actual F35 itself.

Shockingly enough.
Yes.

Well it came as a shock to the USA. Hence why the F22 no longer flies out of Japan and why they no longer bring it to wargames.

Yes. That's the point of energy bleeding defensive maneuvers.

this is a pretty good link, the a10 guy gets btfo'd pretty much there.

I dont want to get shit on by the slavs in this thread. But you guys do know that an airshow is not a good measure for a plane? The f35 is made under a more efficient doctrine. To be used with a variation of very effective tactics and also external tools. Also networking.

The f35 is a pretty robust system for the next gen warfare in my opinion. Especially in that jewtube link of the f16,a10 vs f35 above.

The F-35s at the Paris Airshow had nothing on their wings, that is plain to see from all the videos. They were simulating a loadout of AIM-120 missiles, per Lt Col Scott Gunn, USAF F-35A pilot: combataircraft.net/2017/06/19/f-35-puts-in-a-beast-of-a-display-in-paris/

The F-35 has two internal weapons bays, each with two weapon stations. As such, it can carry no more than 4 AIM-120s internally. An AIM-120 weights approximately 150 kg, meaning this "combat load" was a mere 600kg of simulated weapons. This is all public knowledge, you can look it up on whatever site you trust most.

A "combat load" of 600 kg is well under a tenth of the F-35's internal fuel capacity.
How much fuel was in the F-35 at the Pars Airshow?

Bonus question:
How many seconds would it take an F-35 to burn 600 kg of fuel with afterburners?

There's no way a hybrid is going to perform the jobs of two specialized craft as well as either of them.

This move to a joint role fighter was fucking stupid, and driven by logistics fags who wanted one set of parts to keep track of. It's the same reason the Bradley was created.

And non-slavs who don't enjoy pouring ridiculous amounts of money into retarded projects.

If only the OP knew that before jerking off over footage of an F-35 pulling gentle turns.

It is.

So what's the point of arguing?

If it's maintenance requirements weren't so obscene and it hadn't been designed for BVR airwar then you might have a point.

But it's maintenance needs are ludicrous. And the USAF has once again pledged itself to BVR airwar proving they are incapable of learning from their past mistakes.

In a proper war the F35 would quickly end up abandoned due to resource shortages and supply chain disruption.
And it's far too expensive and capable for bombing islamic militias where a prop driven aircraft from the 1930s would be equally effective and possibly more effective.

It's a peacetime pork project. A disgusting one when the USA has so much more useful things to spend money on.
If the USA didn't need to maintain such a massive for profit arms industry then they wouldn't have to sink all this money into it.
This shit is why military arms manufacturing needs to be nationalised.

with whom?
that's the whole reason of this sorry mess
the usa isnt going to war with any real enemy anytime soon
we are under world government and the usa is our military base
that's why it only attacks rogue nations who refuse the world order (rothschild central bank) and they're meme nations, weakass children bratting around, i guess for moneymaking and negociating purposes between factions of the all prevailing world Empire

You're talking out of your ass. They could guess their flight patterns from their bombings alone, but later on could detect them and anticipate them. They didn't 'cram anti-air' anywhere. They were waiting for them and finally got one. They launched several SA-3's and one of them detonated at close proximity. Later they damaged another one. Nothing at all like 'playing the odds', they were fucking up 'stealth' planes with nothing but modified soviet-era toasters and a plan. Stealth is a meme and the next big war will put it to death.

Have fun fighting Russia with that.

Camelfuckers that make the A-1 Skyraider hundredfolds more cost effective.

>American media shills: "F-35 AMAZING AT PARIS AIRSHOW, DETRACTORS BTFO"
Lockmart shills online: "A-AIRSHOWS DON'T MEAN ANYTHING A-ANYWAY"

No he doesn't, he shreds the F35 you Lockike.

yeah i'm buying it

As far as I can tell, you and I aren't arguing.

Look russians, I know you guys can make great planes with a bit more money, but such is the world right now in which the americans have lots more of it, and their plane seemed pretty cool to me.

Instead of shitposting on the internet why dont you study avionics and help your nation, even if they pay you a little bit less.

Hillary nearly plunged the US into war with Russia and the two are still opposing each other in Syria, you goddamn child.

That's what you're doing. You're getting BTFO by everyone and now you complain, calling everyone Russians. Well done Hillary, you won the debate.

>The F-35 doesn't burn fuel, it runs off Tesla Battery Packs™!
Yeah, seems likely.

Also I forget.
Was it the F-35 or F-22 whose power plant sometimes released hydrochloric gas?

Their arguments have become so ridiculous, it makes me wonder if the Lockikes have found their way to this thread. The shilling on Jewtube is insufferable too.

Are we really shilling this piece of shit airplane? OP even put the Russia bait in OP. We are not a bunch of retarded redditors who fall for (((CNN))) propaganda.

No more wars for Israel. Nuclear inspections for the kikes, take their nukes away and give them to Iran.

According to what source?

Rather than its ridiculously high upkeep cost due to its paint and avionics? This stinks of "The War Nerd" level bullshit.

Perhaps, you don't want to fly your low cross section aircraft in range of radar installations and observing aircraft because it will give them an idea of the minimal radar cross section generated by the aircraft for a given set of atmospheric conditions. That would tell them roughly what they need to worry about when they detect anomalous radar signatures and whether to sortie against them in case they are a probing aircraft which has a cross section two small for identification or which is detected too sporadically to effectively target. That sortie can at least try to interdict whatever that suspected aircraft is doing or confirm its presence so countermeasures can be implemented.

Also I'll point something out, the US military and congress regularly engage in "scares" to try and drum up extra funding for pet projects. The missile gap(R-7 was actually a piece of shit good for sending men into space but terrible as an ICBM and requiring 48 to prepare for launch), the bomber gap(Bison was an utter piece of shit incapable of a round trip to the continental US and there were only a dozen of them), the cruiser crisis(US navy had a hundred ships larger than a WW2 era cruiser which were destroyers and frigates but since the number of "cruiser" designated ships was almost nil they drummed up the fear of a lack of cruisers.

The Russians and Chinese practice the opposite approach which is aggrandizing their equipment in the hopes of deterring opposition. They operate on "face" while the US operates on "fear".

why must it always be like this, jesus. Always this butthurt around planes. If you are so insecure why dont you just nuke them already or something, geez.

The reason is, Lockheed bought the old Russian designs to develop their jets. Except the Russian prototype was 30 times cheaper and did actually fly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-141

And neither are the (1) lockkikes.

Did you read the thread? Everyone in this thread bar OP and two or three morons (one on tor) is shitting all over the F-35.

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For a source online you'd need to find forums or something where people from European airforces talk.
My info comes from people in the RAF who found it amusing how butthurt the yanks got over the F22 when the Eurofighters shit all over it.

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The torfag is at (6) and refuses to answer my very simple question. His bosses don't have authorized any talking points in response to my very reasonble questions.

The F-22.

Russians invented the US stealth technology.

Russians actually had the technology since early 60s, but didn't deem it important enough to even be classified.

world government has been a reality behind the scenes for a while
putin/dugin just push for another faction inside the blob, they're globalists too
rothschild banks own the planet, what kind of a war are they planning between their slave nations?
any meme enemy being propped up to face the US? Russia?
Russia's mili budget is 1/10 of USA's
China? Maybe (((they)))'s play this scenario in the future, it would still be staged however.

no, what i mean is this is outdated tech meanwhile the triangular "UFOs" are owning the sky, have for decades, not to mention Aurora

Did they ever fix it suffocating its pilots?
People just stopped talking about it after a while so I assume they either fixed it or people just stopped caring.

Also have they figured out a fix for the F35s helmet causing neck injuries and skull fractures?

Let me guess, they accused the europeans of cheating.

Among other things.
The funny thing is that they were just as surprised by it.

I dont get this with russians

The russian spirit is so amazing, and also so retarded, death, war and devastation was made on the most of retarded of reasons. And it just keeps on happening. While the americans now have a huge map of costs and balances, thousands of engineers with ideas and design philosophies running around, weighing their budgets for R&D, with a host of other factors. The russians just go "BLAYT LOOK AT MY TRUST VECTORING, SUCH SEXY PLANE"

I am just saying that maybe if you just, you know stopped being retarded for like one second you could do something amazing again.

mfw the F-35 will gas more jews than Hitler ever did

Look, first off there's a whole lot of internet neckbearding on here that starts to sound like a bunch of Arfcom faggots talking about "muh bullet coefficients" and "muh termuhnal buhlisticks".

Right off the bat, so I don't trigger you fucking cunts, I'll say straight up that the F35 needs to go away. And the reason it needs to go away is the same reason many of you have picked up on. Including . It's that the F35 is some dipshit's idea that they can create a "multirole/multipurpose" aircraft. Those roles defined as "Air Superiority" and "Close Air Support". More simply boiled down to "Air to Air" and "Air to Ground". The end result is a platform that does neither exceptionally well.

For that matter, staged demonstrations of platform capabilities don't mean shit. Because warfare is not a fucking 5th grade compare/contrast paper. It's the fusion of men AND equipment. As cliche as it sounds, the deadliest and most decisive weapon on the battlefield has been, and always will be between the ears of the men planning and conducting the operations. Brains wins out every single time. And that's a ubiquitous statement covering all countries. And I say that as a combat vet ZOGbot.

High tech can be defeated using low tech. The multi-Billion Shekel NSA "PRISM" program and it's associated apparatuses can be defeated by a fucking Mike Tyson carrier pigeon carrying messages. In the real world this shows up as the Durkas dropped Satellite phone usage in austere environment and have instead switched to trusted couriers. Thus confounding the lazy and soft intel analysts who prefer to drink mountain dew and use their autism to crack codes instead of having to track down a 12 year old moving between mountains using 3000 year old trails and local networks.

That being said, 'multirole' anything needs to go away because a professional tradesman doesn't work with a fucking 'do-it-all' equipment. A carpenter doesn't use a fucking socket wrench as a hammer to drive nails. Nor does he whip out a knife to turn the screw into the joist. There is a proper tool for a job and 'multi-tools' are there ONLY in a pinch when nothing better is available. Anyone with a Gerber or Leatherman can tell you the same thing. Multipurpose tools are there to get you out of a jam when you have nothing else avaialble and need something expedient.

The USA is spending fucking shekels it doesn't have for substandard equipment that it could be better served by creating two "tools" for the specific job it wants: A 5th Gen air-superiority fighter that can destroy air-based resistance and clear the area for the other role they want —-→ a slow-moving armored tank CAS-dedicated platform that can soak up fuckloads of groundfire like the A10.
If that's the roles they want, then they need to make two fucking platforms. They essentially are asking for a long-distance marathon runner with the size and strength of a powerlifter. You end up with neither.

F35 is a waste of money because multi-role aircraft are pieces of shit that do neither very well. And for fucks sake, Russian Internet Defense Force, go to sleep.

Bottom line: If you want an air superiority fighter, they shouldn't have dropped the F22. If they want a "new" CAS aircraft BRRRRTTT Machine —- concentrate on building a 'better' A-10. Although, I called in a Spooky one time in 2001 — and that motherfucker destroyed two whole city blocks is Nasiriyah. It was the single most awe-inspiring and terrifying sight I've ever seen. I know know why the 'Nam Vets called it "puff the magic dragon". It's impossible to describe. You have to see it, feel the concussions in your bones, to understand it.

Anyway. Whatever.

What was the surprise in that? That British pilots were White enough to be competent in aerial combat?

HCL? I thought it was the trainer aircraft that were grounded —- and because of oxygen line malfunctions………..

Not too hard to surpass his world record of zero.

You realize it's around 6PM in Russia, right?

No they were surprised they got radar locks on it at range. That's what got the yanks so butthurt.
Only the yanks were surprised at how shit it was in a dogfight.

The USAF can produce amazing dogfighters and have (probably had by now) some of the best training in the field. But in the modern era they've been determined to not get aircraft that play to their strengths.

Was the F22 that crashed a trainer?
I know the whole fleet got grounded briefly over it

If you are going to base any conclusions on test and prototype aircraft and suck their dicks I don't know what can be done for you. It's like the canucks gobbling the cock of the avero arrow non-stop.

So heresay then? Why would the US get butthurt if they gave them the AWACS and set up the exercise with the explicit intent of determining at what range and what configuration you could circumvent a low radar cross section enough that you could get a radar lock on the aircraft? Who was supposedly talking to whom? Where these just some flyboys who didn't know what was being done?

It smells like the time that the Austrailian navy got a sub in range for a sonar lock on a US carrier during a wargame while hiding in a floatilla of civilian fishing boats. They crowed about that and when the Navy said that in real war they would have just sunk every civilian craft in range before they even prepared for an engagement and while traveling they were called liars and "inhuman" despite it being SOP for both the US and Russian navies for decades.

As I said wargames aren't for "winning" but for testing some parameter, when that doesn't get tested people get pissed. So unless something fucked up happened during the F-22 test I'm not aware off, and given the expected outcome I don't know what could have gone wrong, I suspect that this has nothing to do with anyone at an operational level. Assuming it isn't bullshit.

Do you guys not know what is in jet fuel and the cryonics used to cool certain parts of the engine? Hydrocholoric gas is the least of what gets pumped out in terms of a corrosive. Why do you think all these aircraft need to much maintenance? Yes even the Slavshit needs dozens of hours on the ground for every hour flown. Often times the best active radar suits are chemically pumped, that is they use expendable chemicals to produce the emissions they need or at least excite the materials which do produce the emissions.

And in the 20s the US had a more advanced rocket program than Germany, and several Germans of the Generation prior to the war studied there. Solid fuel was preferred in the US at the time but eventually Germany switched to liquid fuel which had an advantage until the late 40s. By that time the Soviets were big into the more efficient but fragile liquid fuel systems and could lift more to orbit, while solid fuel systems could lift less but be ready within an hour rather than two days like the R-7.

It's almost as though different complimentary technologies effect the feasibility of a concept, such as the Russians having no fly by wire at the time to correct for the instability of early low radar cross section features of say the F-117 which flies like a drunk brick of compressed dog shit and would immediately crash without computational aids. Much like how the US had a massive flying wing bomber in the 50s and scrapped it for the same reasons.

What range?

I suppose they tried to use the Typhoons' lack of TV to their advantage and bled their kinetics to literal simulated death?

This was before the time you're referencing. Why do you think the yanks came back and asked for that experiment?

And the F22 problem is that it was putting the stuff out when and where it wasn't supposed to. Hence why it got people so concerned.

Don't know the range. They only said long range.
So I'd presume a lot further out than the yanks would like.

Ha. I guess you're right. Then maybe they need to close the laptop and go drink vodka with their bros at the bar.

I must have missed that. Thought you were talking about the mass pilot mutiny that grounded the whole Trainer aircraft squadron until the Omask situation was fixed.

usnews[dot]com/news/best-states/virginia/articles/2017-04-10/navy-continues-to-ground-training-plane-over-oxygen-problems

The yanks really do need to bin the F22 and F35 at this point don't they?
When people are getting confused over which colossal fuckups are being referenced in a conversation.

I am watching this video again and I dont really see a part where pierre is winning, in the beginning. Gonna watch all of it I guess.

The problem America has is finding pilots with as little regard for their own well-being as Russian pilots. Men who are borderline suicidal (nearly all slavs) don't fear death.

Russian teenagers do gymnastics on tower cranes. American teenagers wouldn't dare riding a bicycle without a helmet.

The F22 is fine, IMO. They wanted an aircraft that was 1-generation "more capable" than their existing fleet of F15s. They got that. Everything else regarding Muh Russia vs Muh USA vs Muh Chinks vs Muh SlavShit Microwave radar is just ARF-tier paperwork exercises.

The F35 is the piece of shit that needs to go. It's like someone convincing you that you need a $130 gerber when all you need is a $4 hammer and a $2 screwdriver and a $35 knife.

so the angle this morning is Russian D&C? fuck off, americans value life.

The F-22 might be far from cost effective and have the issues every clean-sheet design has but it still is all-around the best superiority fighter that has ever existed and will probably keep being one for the next couple of decades, so it offers both strategic prestige and deterrence that comes with it but the tools of its production have been scrapped.

fake and gay.

relevant

The russians are a bit like a drunk husband vs regretful wife who leaves him, but on a national scale.

The russians had great inventors, a great time period of many cool prototypes, they not only outrivalled the US in many aspects, they were also at least as capable as them.

But then they become more alcoholic, more depressed, borders opened and the talent went away from the drunken, depressed suiciders lol. Alcohol, a source of great strength in ages before now turned into their death.

You do realize that statements like that are going to rustle the jimmies of every Eurofag and Slavshit around, right?

I'm not saying you're wrong —- it's that no 5th gen fighter has been in a legit peer-to-peer actual dogfight with one another so it's up to the neckbeards to trot out charts and graphs and other fucking 'on the spectrum' weapons of war to prove their patriotism. And with that, shit up the thread with sperg-tier nonsense.

Well if that is true sounds like something wrong with the either A) the radar suite if it actually emitting something or B) improper maintenance of the paint if it is reflecting something. Either of those can be solved. I could see somebody pissed off that they had to spend billions to test the maximium detectability range of the F-22 and then it was detected at twice the expected range because somebody didn't apply the paint properly. Which means the entire exercise would be a waste for determining exactly what the limits of the F-22 were.

American teenagers regularly jump of railroad bridges into streams or off highwalls into drowned quarries. They just don't film it because they'll be in the shit for doing it. The same way that whites don't film themselves commuting crimes like niggers tend to. Slavs of course don't care so you can't aptly compare them to niggers who are just too stupid to understand what consequences are.

No, because it still relatively sucks in close quarter combat and it certainly ain't better than the 4 Su-35s you could buy for its price.

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It moves like a fridge with its doors open.

The second video is clearly sped up.

Not as fine as F-23 would be.

well to be fair the F-35 flies as if it was slowed down

This thread is highly entertaining tbh.

Its what I have been saying for over a decade. If there is new technology out there like a "death ray" or a hurricane creation device Americans will never see it. The zog has control of any new military technology the USA produces and America would be lucky to get the shitty version. This is one of the many reasons why war with Russia is suicide, they have developed their own new military technology used only by their country where as America has developed new weapons for Israel.

im just here for the tech and history part, especially surrounding the 117 shot down by serbs and the american damage control with bombing the chinese embassy

Then research WHY the Chinese embassy was bombed.

Hint: it may or may not have had something to do with the Nighthawks being shot down

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oh ive already done that, ive wrote alot of semminaries and reports on geopolitics in the last few years.
some proffesors just didnt wanna read how is walked over NATO and the EU and so on, but they also didnt wanna argue so they just gave good grades and short rewievs

i really miss the old /yupol/ balkan general, but i dont wanna make a new one because theres not enough happening at this time

That was the problem for the yanks though. They couldn't find anything wrong on their end.
And they've had indications of stealth aircraft being tracked in the pacific and over Europe.

Stealth technology is obsolete. It's been figured out.

Ha.

Literally everything Israel makes for itself is shit and/or ripped off from the goyim and still shit.

And you base this assertion on heresay? Also lets assume a bunch of AWACS could paint a target with enough emissions to make its small cross section irrelevant, opposing fighters cannot do that and using active radar will expose them long before they detect the low radar cross section of the opposing aircraft. So just carry more long range radar seeking missiles like the Phoenix to target the support aircraft first.

Once again assuming this isn't bullshit all you've done is created a countermeasure which can be applied in only limited circumstances, like essentially every other countermeasure and has its own costs, ie huge fleets of support craft.

And if you are hearing about this from flyboys, coordinators, or ground crew shorty after the fact how the hell do they know about classified post-exercise assessments going on in America to determine if there was a problem?

This is a chruchlady level tier mill.

Just for everyone's information, a few years ago on another forum, someone posted a picture of a chinese delegation in Israel, standing in front of a Lavi. I haven't saved the pic (I really should have) but I've seen it with my own eyes. So, yeah.

Galil was the clone of the Valmet, I think.

And stupidly expensive.

On topic of guns, I think we can all agree that the ruskies/germans/austrians/american make the best guns.

And the best tanks as well.

Fuck off Hewson, you parasite.

This is flat out historic revisionism.

American rockets were never worth jack shit. American rockets in the 1920s were all pathetic TOYS. Reasonably modern solid rocket fuel didn't even exist until the 1940s. Goddard built a liquid fuel rocket that was a piece of shit. Claims that von Braun stole or was inspired by Goddard's work is nothing but American propaganda that von Braun flatly denied. After WWII, but Russia and America began developing liquid fuel rockets ripped off from Germany, which were and are more efficient than solid fuel rockets. America's first ballistic missile of any significance (Redstone) burned alcohol and LOX (gee, sound familar?) and was built by von Braun (oh yeah, that's why it sounds familiar!) America's first satellite launcher was meant to be the Vanguard, built by American engineers cribbing of von Braun. It burned kerosene and LOX, but it sucked. So instead America's first satellite was launched by a Juno rocket burning hydyne and LOX. Do I really need to tell you who designed that rocket?

Your narrative is nothing but horseshit. America was doing jack shit with rocketry until they, like the Russians, started building V-2 clones. Solid fuel application to ballistic missiles didn't come until much later:
MGM-18 Lacrosse was a piece of shit that couldn't go 15 miles. It first flew in 1954.
MGM-31 Pershing didn't fly until 1960. Before then (and even after then for several years), American ballistic missiles were liquid fueled: MGM-5 Corporal (in service until 1964), SM-65 Atlas (used until 1965), Thor (until 1963), Jupiter (until 1963), Redstone (until 1964), Titan 1 (until 1965) and Titan II (in military service until 1987, last flown as a satellite launcher in 2003!), etc.

Your narrative is trash. Did American public schools teach you this bullshit? Read a fucking book.

That's the issue the first time didn't involve any AWACs.
It was the Eurofighters on their own. Everyone panicked because they initially assumed that a couple of unknown aircraft had wandered into the airspace.

Yeah, that's why American sailors whimper and cry when drunk suicidal Russian pilots fly too close to American ships. The Americans all have nice homes to go back to, they enjoy life more than military service. What does the Russian pilot have to go back to? Flying that plane like a maniac is the most fun he'll ever have, otherwise his life sucks. So he goes balls to the wall and does shit American pilots would never even consider.

That's why Americans all want to fight wars by sitting in air conditioned offices in Nevada flying planes with x-box controllers, while Russians still build planes that can drop panties (see: Su-35).

Are you going to call me a Russian for dispassionately pointing out these obvious truths? Shall I post my American passport again like the last time we had this conversation and Americans freaked out because I don't let patriotism cloud my judgement?

Jesus fucking christ. Stop watching TV and reading RT and thinking you know anything about Russians or Americans. I've been to Russia and trained with Spetz and FSB. I've been Zogbot. Literally nothing you said is even remotely true.

There are way more similarities between the USA and Russian warfighters than you know. Botht the good and the bad. More than the differences. Stop letting shitposters from either country tell you about "how it is". Because you're fucking retarded.

You can't refute a damn thing I've said. Even American sailors who weren't on that ship got butthurt about that flyby. And it wasn't even close by Russian standards. It caused serious asspain for the Americans, but to the Russian pilot it was just another day at the office.

You know the one I'm talking about, because of how hard Americans cried about it.

Um, you don't get to use reheat in VTOL

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cool lockmart shill thread, i guess there's another round of begging for this giant piece of shit going on in congress then huh? how much more are they going to get? another 500 billion?

the f-35 is to aircraft, like mercedes is to cars.

more like a caddilac, fat, slow, american and expensive

A Russian pilot will earn 60k usd a year you sperg. Don't talk about what you don't know about.

A Rafale is the size of a regular F/A-18 (not SH), but with the perfs (range, speed, even payload…) of a F-15. And it's carrier capable…
That's how stupidly good the aerodynamics of the Rafale is.
Just for that it buries all other planes design wise.

Never let a jarhead make aircraft decisions.

whoops

Hell the Iraqi's could detect those things too but ended up wasting all their AA on chaff.

That has nothing to do with anything I said.

Oh please. Flybys would happen in the Cold War every fucking day. Just like on "that" video. We did it to them. They did it to us. And other sailors told those idiots to shut the fuck up because of that fact as well. It was all over the net and military forums were replete with vets and active duty people telling them they were being pussy ass faggots.

If you were ever mil you'd know there was a cultural difference between POGs and Grunts. It's the same as every other fucking service in the world. The little bitch boys are the soft-handed crybabies who scream the loudest, and the actual warfighters are the ones who tell those same people to shut the fuck up. Hell, even that stupid movie Top Gun showed the dynamic between the faggot Air boss getting coffee spilled over himself via the Flyby by the jets. And even though the Navy doesn't have groundpounders besides SOF – the concept is completely the same. People operating not in the front lines have that shriveled little amygdalas and hyperventilate when there isn't someone wearing a reflective belt in the chow hall because it breaks a rule some other risk-adverse pussy made up. While the real warfighters DGAF about anything that doesn't related to actual danger or incoming rounds.

Guess which ones get the airtime and 'go viral' because of their shrieking faggotry? Yeah. You guessed it.

I'm not refuting what you said because there's pussy ass faggotry on all sides. At all times. But to say "muh crazy Ivans are awesome because they live in the now while American fatbodies wanna just play war on xbox" is the highest degree of idiotic nonsensical COD-fuckboi-ism that I've seen in a long time. You don't know wtf you're talking about. The Russians have little bitch boys too. Soft little boys that look like little Jew latte-sippers. Saw them all the time at Vladivostock while we hung out with some Spetz fuckers. Same shit. Different country.

Yeah no shit. It's not supposed to be a big deal, yet Americans throughout the Navy are still crying about it.

No they're not. Only the little faggots brought in by Obama. Go re-read the post again because you clearly lack understanding.

All this useless chatter, what matters is that the USA has the cash to maintain the military, Russia does not.

End of the matter.

I mean, Russia has overperformed for years, while USA underperformed, but this still remains true.

Even if the first batch F-35 is shit, they are gonna fix it to be something good, like they did with the M16.

TOO BIG TO FAIL.

You're just flat out wrong.

that looks unstable as fuck, still better than the f-35 though

Yeah, seeing as how I actually have experience in the ZOGmachine and with actual Russian mil I clearly must be the wrong one. Only you, the internet neckbeard, can be correct. Because you've seen youtube videos. Fucking kill yourself.

The M16 was never shit. The ammunition was criminally shit, and maintenance instruction was just flat out wrong. Chromed lining was an obvious improvement, but the rifle would have been fine if not for the ammunition and moronic cleaning advice.

You're just flat out wrong.

How have I never seen this?

Remember that time the Russians built the typhoon solely to have the biggest boomer in the world and then let them rust to the piers? Or that time they insisted on using hydrogen peroxide fuel in their torpedoes, despite the US and U.K. dropping the fuel decades ago due to safety reason? Even better, they chose hydrogen peroxide, and then decided that doing maintenace was a waste. Why not just stuff these torpedos in a shed somewhere for decades, and then load them into our premier submarine? What could possibly go wrong?

It still surprises me to this day when people say with a straight face that somehow soviet logistic programs are better, because they field cheaper shit. One look at the disastrous soviet nuclear submarine program should dissuade anyone from pursuing that argument. Not only have they had more than a dozen no shit nuclear incident/accidents, even their "good" boats leaked rads like a sieve. Meanwhile it's normal for US submariners who work in the forward compartment to have zero exposure during a deployment.

Doesn't mean the F35 isn't a piece of shit, because it is. But that doesn't magically make some other group of people superior.

This. The M16 was sabotaged by stupid bean counting faggots at DoD. The design by Stoner was fine from the get-go.

Man, if I fight in Vietnam, I would keep an AKM or Vz58 as secondary, no fucking wait I'm touching the M16 until it's the M16A1.

First batch M16 was SHIT, man.

when are they going to repave the flight decks in gold?

If what you are trying to say here is the engagement range for firing a air-to-air missle is greater for the F22 than the Eurofighter, you do know they use the same AIM120's and also have Meteor's that have a longer range.

Drunk pilot.

Seriously though, a system like that needs active control, you'd never make it inherently stable. The best you can do it have a robot fly it.

Many dudes did ditch the XM and instead preferred the enemy AK or other rifles that were not as fucked up as the original rifle.

The original XM-15 or whatever the really early M16s were absolutely were garbage. 6061 aluminum. Non chromed bores and chambers. Ammunition was loaded with ball powder vs stick powder (or vice-versa). All because Jews in the Kennedy admin were concerned with saving a few shekels off their bottom line. And it's not like those features were "improvements" — they were mandatory as originally designed by Stoner.

The only thing on the M16 that was added NOT by Stoner was the Forward Assist.

No it wasn't. The ammunition was shit, they used the wrong powder and morons told soldiers the rifles didn't need to be cleaned. Using proper ammunition and maintained in a reasonable manner, the rifles were fine. Not perfect, but fine.

Airplanes are more or less irrelevant with the latest gen missiles and OTH radar. If you actually want air superiority, make a 10,000 predator drone swarm.

Amusing.

Let's pretend you are a GI transported to Vietnam in the 50s, and they give you first batch M16, with the wrong ammunition.

I double dare you to use it with a good conscience.

Rules weren't that strict back then, you could use an AK if your NCO is cool with it.

yah nah

yah nah

Serious question, what was availability of 7.62x39, spare parts, etc etc etc
I could see most NCOs pitching a shitfit over a) having weapon fire that sounds like the enemy
b) zero logistic chain support for your weapon

The rifles were fine, the ammunition was not. Don't blame the rifle, blame the ammunition. It wasn't in spec.

Are you talking about the charging handle? The bolt definitely reciprocates fuckwit, that's kind of the whole point.

They said the CIA mined any 7.62x39 cache they found so that's out, but there's a black market right in the South, you can trade and buy 7.62x39 in your down time, and you have plenty of down time.

A pretty shitty myth, they were accounts of GI using AKM pick-up.

MACVSOG/Seal units loved the AK for exactly the reason in A). B) was overcome by essentially turning your enemy's supply chain into your own. For tip-of-the-spear frontline small units, this was fine. Preferential even. For "big green" probably not.

Read about Operations Eldest Son. Truly fucking crazy shit, but ingenious.

And you are given the shitty ammunition, jesus christ, that's the point.

Even if the rifle isn't shit, the ammo is shit, making it useless.

It's more the yanks are just not very good at this sort of thing.
They imagine themselves warriors but really they're merchants.

You are talking about the damn sailors, who really aren't combatants at all.

The russians are really good at propaganda though.

After seeing russian dash cams and russian teens fucking around on high rises, it's pretty easy to see they don't value life as much as muricans.

I hate her shirt, and she's a definite thot…but by god, that woman has the body to push out 20 good kids.

Just stop fucking posting. That you think a post like this is even remotely acceptable on Holla Forums shows how much you have lost touch with this place. Or were never in touch to begin with.

I mean now you still have US soldiers using AK.

Not widely accepted though.

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Shill your kikebird elsewhere.

They liked all kinds of wacky shit. Like Ithaca Model 37's with duckbill spreaders and #4 shot.

That's right, the rifle wasn't shit. The ammunition was shit. The rifle being shit is fudlore, it was pretty good from the very beginning.

Precisely correct.

I've littered this thread with arguments. You haven't a single argument. Kill yourself faggot.

See this is part of it.
A royal navy sailor is expected to do his duty and maintain proper conduct no matter the situation. Such as when the ship is being shot at or sinking.
In the middle of wars which ships tend to be involved in.

Meanwhile the USA?

Sailors aren't combatants in the US navy, we have marines for that.

Enjoy being a victim of SoG sabotage then. There is a clear reason why GI's were told to not use captured enemy equipment, it might take your face off.

I heard about that, but you can buy 7.62x39 in the south Vietnam's black market.

You can buy a lot of thing in Vietnam back in war.

Combatants operate weapons of war to destroy the enemy.
Ships are weapons of war.
Sailors operate ships.
Thus sailors are combatants.

So many arguments.

That ship was not a combat ship.

…what goon meme?

I've posted numerous supporting evidence. All you have is "Actually contrary to popular belief Russians are actually safety freaks and Americans have no regard for their own safety." Absurd.

Not to mention:
Based on finnish artillery tech they licensed/bought from Tampella

Bet you enjoyed that right OP? Fucking faggot.

Work the rest out yourself, dumbass.

Even then spook ammo got mixed in. Generally speaking stick to your own ammo supply. SoG guys tended to stick to WW2 equipment or modified civilian shit for the specific purpose that charlie couldn't find ammo for any of it in the case of him getting lucky and capturing it.

Here's an a10 doing an aileron roll (unimpressive) and a spiral climb.

This is a ground support, not a fighter, it's known as a "bathtub" this is a more impressive demo.

The SoG guys used goddamn AK.

If they mined absolutely everything, they wouldn't use fucking AK.

So does the Royal Navy.

Check IDs you dummy. I'm calling you out on your piss-poor argumentation that is bringing down the quality of discourse on the board as a whole.

The A-10 is long overdue for a replacement. Not by the F-35 obviously, but nevertheless it still needs to be replaced. The 30mm cannon in particular needs to go. 30mm may have been fine for disabling tanks when it was designed, but that's not what it's for anymore. Replace it with a 20mm cannon and it will still shred what it needs to shred in COIN roles, and carry more ammunition/fuel/bombs while doing it.

I checked your ID, then I called you out for contributing not a fucking whit to this thread.

I dunno about how it works with the brits, but sailors are just gay little fuckers in the navy.

We man battleships with marines.

I am very wary of replacing weapons for "outdated" roles. 30mm is fine for tanks, people, and armored vehicles and structures. And will still be fine for those roles in the future. A "downgrade" to 20mm would only lessen it's ability.

The USA and China are eventually going to have to cross paths. It's not always going to be COIN bullshit from here on in. And 30mm would do wonders against Jewish settlements and fortifications…….if you want to go that route and forego just glassing the Heebs in-situ.

Welp, you "people" have greatly reaffirmed my beliefs that the F-35 will surely be the best damn fighter jet of this century.
It may have some bugs but that's to be expected for an early production run, as with enough time, taxpayer money and most importantly faith the proud developers at Lockheeb Martin will be sure to produce the most fidelitous multi-role fighter aircraft the world has ever seen, and your racist insults won't stop them in the slightest.

And this user is why the Royal Navy sailor is the finest on the planet.

Remember when that battleship turret blew up killing dozens and the Navy blamed it on a scorned homosexual sailor committing murder-suicide? Amusing. I really wonder if that was the truth, or if the Navy just found a productive application of the age-old gay sailor meme.

30mm could still kill old tanks and might even disable a new tank, but that's just not what it's being used for anymore. Changing to 20mm would let it be better at what it's actually used for these days. With less weight and volume you could carry more ammunition, more bombs, more fuel, etc. These days the A-10 is for COIN missions against goat molesters, not slowing down Soviet armor rolling into West Germany.

That's my point. What it is used for now may not be what it's needed for in the future. COIN isn't always going to be the state of war.

Literally 10 sex at jewgle.

oh you, just murdered my sides.

Russia is based

The navy is the gayest branch so that makes sense.

Most of the sailors are in for the gibs.

Congratulations, your superiors just cost the US air superiority for the entire next generatulion and gave it to Russia almost uncontested. If you are a kike and shill, you have succeeded. If your just a shabbos goy, you dun fucked up.

*Generation.

Get Minuum.
Pirate it if you must.
I pull 40+ WPM with almost zero error.

That ship sailed, with or without the F-35 and whatever proper plane would have been adopted if not for the stealth and multi-role memes. The S-400 is serious business even against stealth, a non-stealth hot-dog jet would be minced meat for it too. The Russians have been demonstrating their ability to shoo away American stealth jets with their missile systems, and that of course applies to unstealthy jets too.

Hey guys, what's happe…
Did I just walk into a spook-off?

I was going to call bullshit on the 'A-10' needs to go. Then I realized that yes it does need to go. We are about to enter into an active civil war of some sort or another and if shit escalates to anything more than room clearing tier the A-10 is the ONE FUCKING PLANE you do not want on the enemies side in any conflict. Let the fucking zog government ground and scrap that beast today please kek. Have them shit out some new overpriced garbage that requires six times the maintenance and cannot be shot or its dead. PLEASE get rid of this foul faggot bird.

If I am going to have to go head to head against zogbots I want only the best and brightest zogbots against me when I am trying to save the lives of my children. Time to get rid of the A-10 indeed.

The Pentagon is probably doing everything they can to prevent a Fighter Mafia 2.0 from popping up. Like Sprey said, its about money.

Man of refined taste

Well yeah, there's that angle too. Disarming American ZOG should probably be one of our priorities.

But just from a pure tactics perspective, one round of 20mm will kill you as surely as one 30mm round, but all else being equal any plane could carry more 20mm. That's more BRRRRRT. Unless you're shooting at targets that can survive 20mm but not 30mm, the former is plainly the better choice.

Would not pull out. Dem breedin' hips.

F35 is still a shitty, jack of all, master of none gibs program and the lockheed shilling here proves it.

that fat fuck plane can't manoeuvre for shit.

this user is correct

modern wars will be about driving your enemy into financial ruin

Kek! I'm in!

Tactically yes, 20mm is fine, honestly if you hit most MBT's from the top explosive .50s are more than enough against the sheet metal roofs they all have. But the higher you go the more dangerous it becomes for aircraft with the every cheaper and available anti air missile systems that are spreading. So ever more likely such direct air support platforms are going to go mostly side on. Which means you want the heaviest weapons possible, and 30 will shred any MBT from the sides and rear while 20s will have serious problems.

But outside of MBT's, 20 will gut anything out there now. So your argument is not without merit. And you can do better using some other platform than an gattling gun to deliver it as well. But if you plan on going against larger numbers of heavy MBT's you want 30's as a matter of principle that saturate an target to ensure it is a kill. Many MBT's can and are equipped with anti air missiles giving a much more questionable survival rate if you do not first strike kill.

it's beautiful

really? were using vox as a source now? and quoting pierre sprey like he's not just some butthurt retard.
just watch this legacy fighter do the sitting duck maneuver.

The issue is that if they were sending A-10s against MBTs today, the A-10s would be attacking the MBTs using PGMs, not the 30mm cannon. But they don't send A-10s against MBTs these days anyway. I mean, you could, but there are better tools for the job and you're never going to see the sort of massively target-rich environment for A-10s to hunt MBTs like the scenario they were designed for.

The only people who've mentioned Vox are you (1) and the torfag who stopped posting after I asked him reasonable questions he couldn't answer. Maybe you can answer these two questions:

Probably not though, right?

Good point.

Russians are basically jealous about the fact that they don't have stealth fighters.

More idiotic torposting.

Lockmart shills are basically getting BTFO in this thread due to the fact their bosses left them unprepared to discuss this matter with people who actually care about facts.

Answer my questions kike: How much fuel did the F-35 at the Paris Airshow have, and how fast can an F-35 on afterburners burn 600kg of fuel?

Even Indonesia, my country, which used to buy American planes, now buys Sukhois.
0/10 Shill thread.

Let's get back to the topic, faggots. Which is: supremacy of F-35.

On the webm-related (the footages are matched by the moment when the elevators start moving):

IT CAN NOT TURN SO USELESS USA BETTER SCRAP IT IMMEDIATELY SO EXPENSIVE IM SO CONCERNED
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youtube.com/watch?v=YeqryYh_yw0
youtube.com/watch?v=vfYElZi9QTk
youtube.com/watch?v=tMJSL4nkH7Y

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Go find more similar examples.

The predecessor of Su-35 15 years earlier.

Cool circus tricks.

Yeah, cause the 4 AMRAAMs are such a fucking burden.

That's one hell of a plain.

The shilling is utterly insane. They could at least make it believable, the fuck is this shit supposed to be? Lockheed shills are some of the most incompetent I see, and that doesn't bode well for my trust in their engineering team.

This made me laugh though.

Answer these questions:
How much fuel was in the F-35 at the Paris Airshow?
How many seconds would it take an F-35 to burn 600 kg of fuel with afterburners?

yup. the youtube comments section is totally equivalent to aerospace engineering. pierre is relevant and unbiased. mid air flailing is a good tactic in the BVR age.

I honestly don't understand why they even bother making these threads, I have never once seen their stupid shit gain traction with Holla Forums, detecting shills (and much better shills than theirs) is kinda our 'thing'.

It's like a guide of what not to do in a debate by Stefan Mollyjew.

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All i see is a stationary target.

Yeah. F-35 would free fall instead.

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It's a good way of assessing your employer's general competence. Your shilling is doing no good, it is defective in the exact same way as Lockheed's overall corporate culture. You appear concerned with looking like you're getting results, but you're not actually changing anyone's mind here and you're not actually fixing your stupid plane.

To be fair it did manage to pull one maneuver only Su-27, MiG-29 and F-22 could do before it stalled.

OP is going to masturbate himself to sleep to that at least until it enters service give it half a decade.

If you think alcohol is the symptom of Russian depression and not the Jews, then I have no idea what you're doing here

Do you know where you are?
Holla Forums doesn't tolerate whores.

Why? What does it matter? The f-35 isnt a dogfighter is it? Do dogfights even happen anymore? This plane is going to be launching drone swarms and data-linking with a force of weapons that dont even exist yet. Tell me why it matters how much fuel is burned per second. I dont know or care how much fuel it uses because its not meant to compete on a 1980's level. Im flattered you think I would have access to that info, but I'm not actually here to shill for anything or anyone. Im just saying old metrics arent a good measurement of modern weapons and tactics.

I'll give you this: the russians know a good paint job.

Alright I legit laughed. For the sake of argument, the F-35 was advertised as a dogfighter, in a war situation fuel efficiency absolutely does matter, and come on
Now that's just funny. Is that actually the official line these days?

Oh fug just how much money did my government even blow for this gag

Advertised as a dogfighter? really? source?

You think drones arent coming? or that we're not going to keep developing new and exciting ways to kill people? The f-14 flew until 2006 because we arent stagnant with technology. This plane is made to be adaptable with the trends of modern warfighting. Now, did you have an actual reason the fuel burned per second of afterburner was important?

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Throw yourself on a knife you lying faggot.

1980's tactics are the apex of air combat huh?

so you dont have a source for that then right?

If it doesn't matter, then why won't the US just admit it and stop pretending?

Alright buddy at this point it's getting a bit sad, so I'm gonna be real generous and give you a few hot pointers for blending in here on \POL\ for free. I'm only going to do this once, and only because I feel badly for you, so pay attention. The first and most important thing you need to understand before even getting to the starting line is that the holocaust is a hoax. There were deaths in the prison/labor camps, but they were caused by an epidemic of Typhus exacerbated by starvation and allied destruction of supply routes. Typhus is spread by lice, and Zyklon B is a de-lousing agent. At the concentration required to kill a person, the gas chambers by design would not have even been able to contain the gas successfully. Ovens were used to destroy the clothing, sheets, etc of Typhus victims in an effort to halt the epidemic, and possibly to cremate those who died from the disease. The ovens could not possibly have been used in a mass extermination. Even modern ovens running 24/7 can't reach anywhere near the supposed rate of cremation that supposedly occurred at Auschwitz. No mass graves were ever discovered. Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials showed signs of torture, and the Jewish man who 'interrogated' the head of Auschwitz later admitted in his published book that he tortured a confession from him. Germans kept no details whatsoever of any plan to get rid of Jews, and much of their documentation of the prison camps contradicts the myth of the holocaust. The only evidence for the holocaust is testimonies from supposed survivors of supposed death camps. Several other hoaxes (like Jew soap and skin lampshades) were just recently proven to be false. Likewise, the showers and gas chambers are simply products of equal parts hysteria and propaganda. In the past century, elite Jews have profited enormously from the myth of the holocaust, and holohoax exposure is illegal in several European countries. Truth does not fear investigation. The holocaust is a lie.

admit what?

Even if that was the purpose, it's done a shit job of that. If that $2 trillion was put into nation building instead, one could only imagine how great America would be right now. I would've rather we spent that money making windows and then breaking them, since that would at least not reward the slimy kikes in the MICC.

okay newfriend. you could have just said that you have no facts to backup your claims.

Look who just outed himself as not being a Holla Forumsack!

It really is the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. What is it supposed to do? It keeps changing everytime, and now you claim its supposed to be head of a nonexistent drone force. How many years of more money down the drain until we see that?

They advertised like crazy for it to be a multirole plane of the future. Here is a pdf where they even pretend it can "dominate the skies"
www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/documents/f-35/collateral/2012%20update/F-35_Defining%20the%20Future.pdf

Fucking knew it. I threw that in as something that was blatantly a joke, and immediately you run with it without any self-awareness whatsoever. I've been probing you for a while now, it's like you're just matching words without any comprehension of the underlying meaning. If you're not a Markov bot then you may as well be, that's the level of thought going on in your 'head'.

Hey shill-san, what are your thoughts on Hitler? Be honest, we'll know if you're lying.

So much salt in those gets lmao

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What if the f-35 was just a massive psy-op all along and just used that as the excuse to funnel money into a bunch of other projects. I would imagine dronetech eventually eclipsing most needs for conventional fighter jets. Hurr Durr look at how retarded we are spending money on dumb bullshit Russia and China, bet you can't make something better.

The F35 was marketed as a solution to every problem, a jet that could fly all missions and therefore be cheaper than multiple dedicated craft. That is the entire hype that the F35 was marketed on, and now that it can't dogfight for shit you Lockikes suddenly backpedal and claim it was never intended for that.

But that's where the Big Lie shatters, because now it's been admitted that the F35 needs escorts, which leads to the hilarious question: FUCKING WHAT is going to escort this piece of shit? The answer: we don't know because the F35 was supposed to fill that role itself.

Either that or the advent of computers sucked all of our decent potential engineers of the new generation away to make tiny cell phones and video games while an existing engineering-base has grown older and more out of touch with reality.

Mining for Lockheed salt.

scientificamerican.com/article/what-went-wrong-with-the-f-35-lockheed-martins-joint-strike-fighter/

really? what do you thing smug reaction pics are for then?

where have you been for the last decade? data-link is 1960's tech. drones are not exactly new.

dominate the skies =/= dogfight
its clearly capable of some agility, but its obviously not meant to outmaneuver a dogfighter. again we are well beyond dogfights with the current crop of BVR technology.

gee, i dunno.

AHAHAHAHA

Ah yes, because drones make excellent fighters and all the countries that are not the US who threw money at the F35 also have this drone.

Gas yourself.

again air-to-air =/= dogfight
air superiority =/= dogfight

Yeah, but the F-35 suddenly being able to launch drones is, and something that would take many more years to develop and up the already high costs of the program.

So how exactly is the F-35 supposed to have air superiority if other planes are in the air? Also love how Lockheed shilled its "extreme acceleration, agility, and stealth" to give it a "tactical superioirty over all adversary aircraft", especially given its a multirole fighter. I guess the enemy is supposed to be scared and never take off, therefore giving the F-35 the air superiority it needs?

we've been data linking for 50 years now, it doesnt need to be a drone, but it will be.

who gives a shit about them?

The entire project, and the failure narrative (which allows development, and thus funding, to continue indefinitely), is just an excuse for continually siphoning funds for black projects. It's stupidly naive to think fly-fly-jet-planes actually represent the most advanced war tech available and the US military is legitimately struggling to make a passable jet while genuinely trying to do so. The Germans had anti-gravity in WWII and those scientists were all integrated into the US government, military, NASA, intelligence community, etc. after the war under operation paperclip. Just like the "fuel-in-a-tube is seriously the most advanced tech we've got" space program, the entire thing is theater. So many dumb-anons have this massive blindspot for the obvious reality of hidden technology. Nothing we see in public is even in the same world as what's actually being used and developed.

My country is one of those that bought some of your shitty buckets of bolts, are you saying we should demand refunds? That we wasted our money?

this is a weapon pod already being used by legacy fighters. in addition to these mini drones we've got carrier launched drones, global hawks, reapers, predators… etc

well, your image answers your own question. it can do evasive maneuvers if needed, but the avionics should be able to prevent that in the first place.

yup, go ahead and ask for a refund.

> combataircraft.net/2017/06/19/f-35-puts-in-a-beast-of-a-display-in-paris/

Honestly, how can you be so stupid? They haven't said anything about fuel. They've only said that they've loaded the internal bay with an equivalent of AIM-120 missiles. All this fuel nonsense is nothing else than a fantasy induced by your immense butthurt.

Fuck off back to unicornland.

And another one for the gas chambers.

oh so in the real world we're still dogfighting huh?

So its supposed to run away from other aircraft and claim air superiority so long as no enemy is nearby? Why can't it engage with enemy forces in the air if its billed as a multirole fighter with superior air-to-air capability to all other fighters?

It engages BVR. Dont be dense.

Finally someone who knows what they're talking about. Aggregat engine changed the world.

In a real war there won't be any 1-on-1 fantasy battles, you will tangle up and you will get into dogfights.

WWII fighter pilots preferred to avoid dogfights when possible, but guess what? They still ended up in dogfights.

Now gas yourself.

So we spent billions of dollars on a shit plane that can launch BVRs instead of outfitting existing planes with BVRs?

W E W L A D

I remember what an old engineer told me a bunch of years ago, roughly that "the knowledge to make good aerodynamic is lost" (mostly?)
When I see this brick flying, I guess he might have been right.

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That would seem to explain why it has advanced avionics and stealth as well as decent maneuverability.

Legacy fighters have them too, they dont dogfight anymore either.

This whole thread is like all the people who said the internet will never be more than a fad.

Stealth is a meme.

Which it doesn't, because a second ago you were damage-controlling that 'dogfighting doesn't matter anymore'.

Gas yourself.

what ship

you should all just read and shut up. This thread is like watching two gynoidal betas argue over whether kung fu or ninjutsu would win in a fight.

But they still can, unlike the F35, even though Lockkike promised it could. See and

Twist in the wind some more and then gas yourself.

Go read a book you illiterate turkroach.

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Admit it can't fly for shit. See: OP See also: image related (blatant western media coordination trying to convince the public it's not a turd).

Sure, if by other projects you mean jewish pockets.

Even the old JAS-39 Gripen is better than this heap of shit. And yes, it can have a better combat range.
Fun fact, During development by SAAB and later BAE, the Gripen had three crashes.
One was in 1989, the most embaressing were
the next two, in 1993 during an airshow in Sweden, in full view of the media and public,
and the one in May1996 in Ireland.
I think this was one was flying from Scotland.
Anyway, it crashed in Ireland and there was a major cover-up involving the Irish Government, the British, the Americans, and the Swedes.
SAAB's share price immediately started to tank, and it soon lost 45% of it's value.
SAAB swung immediately into action, and
did an intense behind-the-scenes PR blitz to
reassure everybody.
One of their methods was to encourage the idea that their was a UFO crash in Ireland
and this diverted researchers and made the
whole thing a point of scepticism and a joke among the general public. People came to the conclusion that there was no crash of anything at all. This worked very well. SAAB's share price recovered, and the Gripen went into operation.
Ah, the joys of black propaganda.

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Kek was wondering if someone would catch that. Fanboy/shill didn't even watch the video, or hoped no one else did. Protip: spreyfags are the most powerful race in earth. R'ing a meme template of a spreyfag at his comp.

no one said this save schills like you.
f35 is shit; we already have the f16 which is better in every way—even the pilots think so.

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they must have spent more money on advertisement than the engine

Lockheed Martin please go.

The point is that their "combat load" was a pathetic total of 4 AIM-120 missiles. That doesn't represent a realistic combat load. That's only 600kg. They would have burned 600kg worth of fuel in what, a minute of afterburners? Probably faster. To put this in perspective, the F-35A (the one used at Paris) is designed to carry two 2,000 lb (900kg) JDAMs internally. 1,800 kg total between both internal bays. They had it loaded with a third of that. And that's just internal bays. In practice you know damn well this plane will be flying most of it's missions with a great deal even more weight hanging off it's wings.

Their excuse for the plane performing like a pregnant dachshund is that it was loaded down, but the reality is they gave it the lightest possible combat load for no reason other than to give it an excuse for being a turd.

How is that not clear you thick fuck?

15:1 kill ratio of f-35 vs f-16 seems to disagree

you sure about that?

Fuck off, adults are talking.

You know they fucked up when they need to get pilots to do the marketing job.

i dont trust those for shit after the pathetic millenium challange 2002.
not to mention the shit they always do with prototypes about which theres a good movie about

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theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/britain-spends-billions-on-flawed-f35-fighter-jets/news-story/02aeacac81ee6ec3768b7c681ad3cea4?nk=845808641e8c2fb2495a615d8fe93024-1505078777
news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/pentagon-official-declares-f35-joint-strike-fighter-not-capable-of-unsupported-combat/news-story/d4c120babe07e2549dd5fe159d1b57c0

No fuck you.

whos pierre spray and how is that an argument?
the US repeatedly simulates wargames in a way that allows team blue to win in all scenarios.

anyone remembers that pressconference when the spokesman found out how much zeroes the project has in its funding?

Poor man, the enormity of the government's treason gave him vertigo.

air-superiority fighter = interceptor+dogfighter
MiG-31 has some serious BVR/interception advantages over F-35 and yet Ivans don't go full retard to advertise it as an air-superiority fighter.

Which raises the question, is Lockheed so spastic that it has to keep revealing how superior it is because its funding is so important that it doesnt care what the Russians and Chinese make of it, or is it genuinely so good that there is a concerted propaganda effort to trick the Chinese and the Russians into complacency?

That would imply that the ZOG has the best interest of Americas' strategic integrity in mind while if you lurked for a couple of months you'd know the only reason kikes are not downright castrating you is because China and Russia are not the ideal goys (((they))) tried to make them.

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And it's all taxpayer money.
That's $4,400 every American human bean; men, women, children, even newborn; has to pay.

The Slammers are not exactly magic missiles that ignore your Armor Class, neither does being locked on means that you can't retaliate with a similar missile even if you get killed.

Come on, son.

how many zeroes does the US national debt have?

usdebtclock.org/

Oh dear.

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How much do the dindus account for?

The F-35 at least serves a purpose.

Yeah, Lockheed engineers gotta eat too, right?

what are they doing?

TBH trying to get a job there. Their interns are paid $30 and hour.

And blow shit up in shitskin countries. It's all good.

National debt before RINO Bush Jr. took office: $4 trillion
National debt before Obongo took office: $6 trillion.
National debt after just 8 years of Obongo's "european style socialism" under african style economics: $20 trillion.

Tell me again about two centuries.

Except the F-25 has done none of that while the A-10 has been removing Kebab for decades with BRRRT.
Why the fuck do you need 1.5 TRILLION dollars to kill sandniggers from above? Why use a Rube Goldberg machine? Are you this delusional?

Most obvious F35 shill thread I've ever fucking seen. Do you realize this isn't reddit or military.com?

Misses the point.

Killing sandniggers is the government's job. It's in the constitution.

Feeding nigs at home is not.

Eliminate the unconstitutional gibs for nigs before whining about legitimate government projects.

Point me to the article that says this, shillboy.

Wait, you're deflecting. The A-10 is great at Kebab removal already. Probably even better, because it was designed specifically for air-to-ground combat.
You're a fucking kike shill, and I don't use these words lightly. You're the slippery eel Adolf Hitler talked about in Mein Kampf.

Didn't say they didn't. SoG guys don't drink from the well they poisoned.

Yeah but giving niggers handouts is considered protecting the general welfare
just sayin'

Article fucking 1. Secion 8. Clause 12.

Congress has the power to appropriate money to raise and support armies. Kick ass planes support armies.

legit?

Good luck with that.

Nice try.

Find me the article, section, and clause where Congress is empowered to appropriate money for gibs. And gibs have been proven to harm the general welfare.

reminds me of the Harrier test flights tbqh.

Forgive the ignorance but didn't the US navy swap out all steam powered catapults with something new but it turned out to be a lot shittier.

I lol'd. You'd be surprised. Especially in Africa when you found certain countries hiring mercs, or purchasing/hiring Hinds, the vodka drinking russkies pulled some stupid shit like high flying (which was the MO anyhow, but funny nonetheless). Read up on Neall Ellis, he had respect for them but in his book he talks about the pilots who'd be fucked half of the time.

just playin' devil's advocate.
ny migga

Holy shit, you didn't even bother lurking chaim. But i'll bit so you can get another 10c. Happy payday.

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They should make the F-35 less expensive and easier to fly so that people in the hood can get good jobs. Whites and chinks fly the F-35, so they don't like to see us try to fly the F-35.

But can it play flamenco?
Checkmate, Lockheeb.

The airframes are also falling apart and the tooling has been destroyed. Destroying the production line for an aircraft is quite literally the .mil version of pic related.

What are you, a Northrop Grumman engineer?

sgt bilko comes to mind

One problem with all of that.. thats fucking gay the fucking thing is even shaped like a man laying on his back in full receivership position

If they're running A10s against you, then the shit really has gone south. And I mean SOUTH. If ZOG is sending A10s your way then you can be sure they are only 1 step away from nuking the entire city you are in.

As much shit "we" give ZOGbots, the key to their programming is that "they're doing it for their fellow countrymen/etc". You all may not believe me, but having pilots bomb and strafe their own countrymen is a psychological Rubicon. It means that the mil has undergone it's transition that we all know will happen. No more fence sitting for any of them. Those that will fire on you will, and those that will not have already deserted and have likely taken their own equipment with them. So if you're facing down an A10, you might just have a Javelin to fuck it up with. Or a former ODA that knows how to fuck them up.

Bottom line is that it means you can know the operational radius of an A10 and then track back the aircraft to it's home base. And kill the family of the pilots and all the other ZOGbots who've turned to working for the Jewbeast without remorse or pity. Not many pilots will fly after they come home and their buddy finds his wife raped and murdered in a ditch in front of their house (along with their daughters too). Not when he doesn't want that to happen to his family.

Likely he'll GTFO after that. The thing you gotta worry about, and the thing they'll likely put up first is some fucking drones to shove a hellfire up your ass. You can't even see those things they loiter so high in the sky. And they can be piloted from anywhere on Earth. A predator can be flown from a base in Nevada, piloted from a ZOGbot hanging out in a conex container in Diego Garcia, and blow up a target in Indiana before expending the rest of his ordnance and RTB back in NV.

Foreign wars are used to placate the population too. They give the common man something to rally behind and get patriotic about. America losing it's ability to safely start wars whenever ZOG wants would be an important blow to ZOG control.

When war is declared, all debts are off until it's over. The victors owe nothing to the vanquished.

1:40-1:50 demonstrates the inability of the F-35 to gain significant velocity while in a turn. (extremely important factor for air support)

I don't want to even go on.

It goes without saying the F-35s intended role includes lots of low altitude, low speed and high maneuver requirements. Obviously the A-10 couldn't keep up, but we could field ten A-10s for every one F-35- and the A-10 comes with a fucking 30mm gattling gun that can penetrate armor. Any old Mig 21 ought to outperform this abortion- and just about any Holla Forumsock or /k/ommando could buy one since they are less than $100k, often closer to $40k. I remember a thread on /k/ going over missile hit rate percentages. As far as I recall, 4 current Mig 21s or F-4s or just about any 1960s fighters are guaranteed a 100% hit rate on the F-35. Same likely applies to air to ground. The kikes that designed this thing fell victim to the same "safe space" thinking thats killed every other industry within which they embed themselves.

Pic unrelated.

Now that is one antique meme.

this barely flying abomination is getting so much funding because the rats at the pentagon fill their pockets with lobby money, and the few who dont and honestly want a good plane know they dont have any other option. lockheed has a monopoly on the industry and the best lobby, and the USAF has to take it or leave it. russia saw this shit and they bailed out and kickstarted the entire MiG concern to compete with sukhoi.
the shits at Lockheed arent in a hurry. they can strap wings to a septic tank and call it F-$ and the airforce will have to take it

the US would get its ass kicked and would just ragequit with a samoson option ending everyone with MAD.
thats why russia and china are just waiting them out and laughing as the petrodollar is dying on saudi life support

My impression was that Lockheeb was given pretty much a blank check to the JSF program (they went severely over budget during trials and got away with it) and just went nuts with the specs until bean counters had to say something was wrong.

Yes.

Unless you're fighting brown people beneath Iran tier, this is liability—not a feature. Go look up all the fun ways our ruskie friends are able to fuck with our electronics, especially our shitty drone tech.

Drones are a colossal waste of money even in terms of sand nigger disposal, but become an actual liability when fighting fuckers who have even the tiniest inkling of how to fuck with radio communications.

This is why all the russian shit uses lasers for direct line of sight communication in bursts if they even risk that at all in a combat zone. Opening that shit up to the airwaves is fucking insanity.

pic related since it's another massive waste of money.

They do not exist. The russian is insanely afraid of the US drone. If there was a weapon that could stop drones it would be useful against manned weapons. Such a thing does not exist because it would be absurd, defying reality itself. This has not happened.

No, this does not happen anymore.
It is the equivelent of asking if bayonettes are still used.

Which also makes the debt irrelevant.
MAD forgives all debts because, unlike jews, radioactive cockroaches are above usury.

You think all engagements occur in clear sky, BVR, no ECM, no nothing?
Why the fuck do they still do red flag then?
Why do they still put guns on fighters?

If you think weapons to stop or disable drones don't exist, you are sorely mistaken. There are even some publicly available.
There are some I am involved with which are not.
Many ways to stop a drone if you really want to, without firing a single shot.

reminds me playing with a 3d model in Blender and moving the PoV randomly.

An electrician, on the other hand, doesn't even own a hammer because he knows he already has a screwdriver and linesman's pliers to do the same job.

They were never meant to be maneuverable, they were meant to be stealth. They're neither.

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I think you are lost.

ok.

your rethoric:
excelent.

Either Russia has appreciable electronic warfare capabilities, or American cruise missiles tend to fall out of the sky at an alarming rate.

Take your pick.

thank you for that first webm. that was what i was expecting when OP said "very maneuverable". actual combat moves.

Way to completely miss the message there.

The point I'm making is not that the U.S. would start a war to cancel its debts. That would be Democrat level retarded. My whole point is that the chinks won't start a war unless they've already written off the money we owe them. I even explicitly said that and you still didn't get it.

But while we're there anyways:
Nigger mouths are a bigger dead end than even the worst airplane. Cut off the unconstitutional welfare before you start bitching about military spending.

Both.

Ever swam in snark infested waters?

And Kalasnikov is already selling a pretty effective anti-drone weapon for the consumer market. Consider what that says about their military capability.

beautiful. That in a close quarters dog fight would be fun to fly.
the F35 isn't ever supposed to get into a dog fight, since it is a whale, but i'm not sure what the US airforce is supposed to field if such combat is required.

beautiful. That in a close quarters dog fight would be fun to fly.
the F35 isn't ever supposed to get into a dog fight, since it is a whale, but i'm not sure what the US airforce is supposed to field if such combat is required.

ah, of course. thanks for the wake up call

The democrat plan for debts is simple. Keep on importing people so that the average debt load doesn't increase.

Fuck off with your circus tricks Russia we're discussing real planes here

This thread reminds me of this

i wouldnt call a seventeen digit abomination decades in the making a "real plane"

How fucking retarded are you? Marines are on ships for transportation purposes. They only board ships right before undocking. Sailors man all the watches and operate all of the equipment.
How many Marines have you ever met who are qualified quartermasters? Sonar techs? Fire control techs?
The best part is your use of "battleships." That really shows just how completely fucking retarded you are. Battleships became irrelevant in WW2 when we sank the nips flagships with airplanes, denying them the grand battleship battle they planned for. The last battleships used by the US were in the first Gulf war, and only used as floating artillery and Tomahawk platforms. They were then decommissioned.
It's rare to see someone who clearly has no idea what they are talking about make such retarded claims here. Go back to leddit and do some more reading.

The F-35 would be a decent plane if not for the cost.

It's a prime example of why nobody (Jews) should ever be allowed to profit from war.

Before all the retards on this board get triggered.

The thing people always forget is.

It is less than a f-18 super hornet. Will cut down immensely on saved parts and service.

Yes, it went over budget like all new jets. Probably some black budget shit.

Retard falling for the dogfighting meme.

It's not replacing three planes.
It is trying and failing.
A10 has it beat in almost every ground support metric there is.

hudis btw? Asking for a friend.. ;)

So now you have to sell only 18,824 of them to cover the development costs.

A-10 wasn't a primary replacment.

The harrier, F-15/16, and F-18 were.

Sharing parts alone saves millions a year. F-35 are low maintence. no hydraulics. Thats needs to be changed every mission on convential aircraft. They are intended to fly high volume sorties with other f-35s, using there advanced weapon system and stealth to defeat enemies at long range. They have a huge payload, and range.

Dog fighting is a meme that needs to die. It is a very uncommon occurence. F-35 was designed to be used for the most common occurences. Which is blowing up sandniggers, and shit tier countries.

F-35 isn't as garbage as headline reading retards will have you believe. It would not be my choice for a weapon, but it isn't shit.

Not if they want to keep their stealth.

They are going to sell these fucking shekel jets to every ally state you can think off.

I don't know if you will save money when it's all said and done. Probably against several new jets. Supply chain and service issues are a huge upside no one recognizes. f-35 will probably be around for a long time. They are allowing easy upgrades for weapon systems. weapon systems will make god tier jets obselete. High tech weapons are the future. Not Dogfighting meme tier jets.

the internal payload is rather large I believe. Larger than f-16 full dress.

remember when was last time burgers declared dogfighting dead and irrelevent?
f4 was born.

Thanks for confirming you are retarded.

im sure you will

failed
failed

wrong. the military industrial complex is always counting on selling overpriced parts and modifications to allies that bought export models.
just like bradley and abrams.

its the biggest moneylaundering in the history of the US military industrial complex, on the scale of the iraq war where entire divisions of equipment were abandoned and destroyed so that the m.i.c. could get orders for replacements, and they would cover it as combat damage or moulfunction.

nice try people's republic of chinese intelligence

see

Meh, they'll just copy it. Probably through Israel.

If ZOG starts bombing us, Putin has signalled in the past that he'll have no problem backing American revolutionaries. Now, I wouldn't like the White Revolution having Russian backing, but it's better than the alternative. Even the American Revolutionaries had French backing.

Which is even more retarded.

You don't understand the Chinese see North Korea as a liability at this point. The Chinese see every North Korean provocation as an invitation for American escalation which means more obstruction to their designs for East Asia. Now that Un is no longer beholden to the Chinese, the Chinese are even less likely to intervene on their behalf.

The only reason China would even entertain intervention is to prevent a unified Korea emerging that is proactively aligned with US interests ala mini Japan. As far as they're concerned the US talk of escalation is a pretext for further intervention to cockblock their designs by provoking the North and therefore justify more deployments in the region by the US.

Which is yet another reason why their military bluster over the norks is laughable.

You shill. The F-35 has had the highest downtime out of any operation fighter, and probably more than some bombers. It takes twice as many man hours as the F-22, an actually capable fighter.

defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/179243/navair-projects-f_35-to-need-50-maintenance-hours-per-flight-hour.html

hatch.senate.gov/public/_files/F22AssertionsAndFacts.pdf

Its cringeworthy. No doubt they could cleanup North Korea but its not worth it. Might as well keep the clown alive as a thorn than spend blood and treasure. Korea is a fucked up place and that lesson was learnt a thousand years ago.

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theyre as laughable as the US advancements on korea. the US has been talking shit for over half a century but they havent had the balls once since the stalemeate.
the only reason they keep doing this bullshit is because they want to corner china and keep their power in asia, and what they fear most is that their "allies" see that its just one big bluff circlejerk and they start spliting with the program like maduro and erdogan.
the chinese just have to worry about keeping the US in their little safespace throwing a tantrum long enough till they blow out.

china is investing in the enterprise that may seem not worth it with modern gulf states in the picture, but when the gulf oil market hits red numbers the US will start hitting africa again.
come to think of it, they already do, its why they killed gaddafi.

the US foregein policy is a cold war bluff from the reagan era that after the USSR collapsed the whole world would eventually be unipolarised under US hegemoney as they planned in their "End of history" and "new american century" paradigms.
but, instead yeltsin got offed by ex-KGB and russia got back on its feet, china boomed, the EU got more powerful than it was supposed to, iran didnt falter, the middle east bogged down the US forces, and the liberal policies the US was imposing on the world became a cancer at home.

the US was at its zenith in the break of the century, now its just a slow ride down full of autistic kicks and spasms like "muh amerika great again" and color revolutions, but the truth is that the "american century" isnt coming, its already passed, just like the american dream.

screencapped
because dropping a redpill like that on how america is kill is probably gonna get you banned

First pic
Muritania and no mention of slave running, kek.

Look at the 2nd pic,
coke, slaves, sex slaves, slaves, diamonds, sex slaves, sex slaves, more slaves etc etc
CIAniggers, ZOGbots and foreign legion mercs have been to much of those african countries.

I've taken the yellow pill.

The US has so many god damn problems. But if shit hits the fan in a war 20 years from now, Europe, and Canada are gonna be absolute shit allies. The US will be full of Mexican "fuck white people" coalitions, and retard voters who vote for gibs. Meanwhile, China has their best leading the nation with a long term strategy un-jewed. Same with Japan. Same with Taiwan, Same with Singapore.

What backs is the west going to stand on? Seriously?

Either live your life of ignorance and normie tier. Who seek Glory in the East.

Thats how I see it at least. Tell me what you all think.

I am buying crypto currencies and planning to fuck off some where in Asia.

Well how much of the maitence is becuase it is a new platform? how much will it go down?

Japanese fat allocation genetics is just straight unfair

Japs can be very pretty.

like as well.

You know most nips are flat as fuck, right?

Furthermore most mongoloid women have shovel-face until they get plastic surgery.

Dog fights don't even exist anymore, you ZOGbot faggot. Everyone involved with it is a parasite even if Bernie Sanders' pet project manages to somehow find a mission nonessential enough to justify sending a plane almost guaranteed to crash on its own.

"12: To raise and support Armies,
but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years
"
Checkmate, zog shill.

if by kick ass you mean pilots getting kicked in the ass when they want to eject after that piece of shit maulfunctions then youre right

why even bother?

why even bother?>>10583178

why even bother?

You're probably referring to the mag-lev catapult the navy didn't care for, muh steam.

Dis thread
Sage
Cancel this pos and build a solid gold border wall

yeah, I forget about this often.

Look up Judy Wood with regard to 9/11. According to her research, a mysterious deep state consortium used *directed energy weapons* to "dustify" the metal comprising the structure. Explosives cannot entirely explain the behavior of the buildings during collapse, as well as the strange phenomenon of burnt out cars far away from ground zero.

not impressed

impressed

Lel, what a fucking joke.

agree

Who ever said the Department of Defense didn't have a sense of humor.

I need help ,The screencaps of posts come only as the transparent checkerboard

FUCK IT UP

I never thought I'd see a POL thread with so many people shilling for the Kike weapons manufacturers. Hurray, I love the government putting us all into debt for some shitty weapons that'll never get used, even though the country is being flooded by third world savages.

Brilliant plan. Go back to Brietbart and Fox News, you faggots.

On strategic level:
Murmansk-BN (some kind of gigantic mobile OTH jammer complex) jams radio communications to a stupid range.
Krasukha-2 fucks up AWACS.
Krasukha-4 fucks up long range radars, possibly LEO satellites…
Tactical level:
R-330ZH fucks up GPS and satellite phone signals.
Kvant 1L222 has proven twice now they can fuck up drones (and trick them into landing).
K1Sh1 UNSh-12 jams locals signals (GSM, radios) but also guided weapon guidance systems.
Khibiny pods (planes) fucks up AEGIS systems.

Save the strategic systems that are highly classified and whose performance are subject to speculation (though they did tested the Murmansk BN in Crimea and the Krasukha in Syria and much salt from US sources was to be mined…), all the tactical systems (save the K1Sh1 UNSh-12 which is new and seen only in Syria accompanying russian convoys to make sure they don't get freedom'ed by """"mistake""") have been tested and are EXPORTED by Russia (meaning there is plenty of data and 3rd party testing) and work as advertised.

FFS in Iraq coalition forces realized the insurgents had found a way to access all drone footage in real time using a $29 russian software for pirating satellite TV!
That's the real level of US Eletronic Warfare, Trillions spend to spy on regular citizens and the Internet, no one to think that encrypting drone datalink a bit harder than commercial TV might be good idea.

F22 will cuck these pieces of shit

quality post, saved for reference
sage for lockheeb shill thread

Also article about ECM usage in Syria
southfront.org/krasukha-4-in-syria-one-year-of-electronic-shield-over-hmeymim-airbase/