Twitter is purging alt-right propagandists with a lot of followers. Good thing?

Twitter is purging alt-right propagandists with a lot of followers. Good thing?

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Ahahah

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LOL

no because it reaffirms their victim complex

>"I am alive physically but digitally speaking there has been execution squads across the alt right," he said. "There is a great purge going on and they are purging people based on their views."
Why are these people such dramatic pussies?

Sure, I'm all for that.

Unless tankies do our twitter outreach, I can't see us getting removed for spreading messages of moneyless communal living.

He better get ready for some actual Stalinism

They're the logical extension of tea party partisans. Sheltered, upper middle class dopes who claim oppression because being banned from twitter is the greatest tragedy to ever befall them.

Should try to get Sam Hyde suspended too.

Something something history and repeating
Enjoy Le Pen and AfD next year.

alt-reich has a victim complex worse than most tumblr users

The irony, much like the war, is lost.

Yes.

Report EVERYONE. Actually we should make a list of alt-Righters with racially insensitive writings to report here.

Yes, because they will go and make their own version of twitter and everyone will realize how fucking ridiculous they are as soon as they look at it.

Because censoring differing opinions on left leaning media has worked so well in the past.
Have you forgotten the election already? Holy shit Holla Forums really is like living in a bowl full of gold fish.

It's shocking how much the alt-right has in common with those "SJW"s. Two sides of the idpol coin?

Is it better to just report a Twitter acc or individuals tweets? Should we dig up material?

Can you count social media websites as media?
Tbf it's a lot more reasonable to ban someone for wanting non-whites killed/thrown out than your average leftist wanting to unite workers.

Duh.

You can't report without including 4 tweets as examples of them using hate speech.

Indeed. It seems the problem is that this is actually fake censorship. The people disappear from place only to reappear somewhere else, a little bit more angry, and with a little bit more of a grievance.

wtf i love twitter now

Lmao is this why Twitter is such a shithole when it comes to that stuff? Because no one can be bothered to report accounts?

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Guys, I don't know.

I think we should respect Fascist's free speech, or we'll have no moral highground to criticize them once they're arresting and executing us.

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Uh it's probably because the group of people that spend their whole lives on twitter report accounts constantly and abuse the hell out of the feature and whenever anyone they report isn't banned they cry about it to their friend who works at VICE, who then writes and article about how twitter is failing to protect women.

Anything that triggers the aut-right is good, without exception.
It'd odd how killing people is fine but silencing them isn't.

>>>Holla Forums8259752

whatever man

If we give them the freedom of speech then we're already admitting the have the right to life, which, they shouldn't have.

It's the liberal worldview. What's important is not to stop Fascism, but to preserve the institutions and agendas that will allow Colbert to mock them once they're in power.

Can we expect Facebook and Reddit to follow suit?

My schadenfreude meter would fucking explode if /r/the_donald got shut down.

Question: should we allow freedom of speech to people that talk against freedom of speech?

Honestly, don't give a fuck and anybody who whines about censorship deserves to have their knees broken..It's Twitter. Who cares.

If people are going on a reporting spree, they should go for everyone. SJWs, the aut-right, Nazis, idpol lefties.

thank you Holla Forums, but we're happy just targeting you

Freedom of speech is a relationship between an individual and the government

Private corporations can ban people from their service if they want to

On that note, individual actors can do whatever they want to.
fash bash all day every day

They seem to be targetting idpollers as well, but not as much.

Twitter censorship

Facebook censorship

Mainstream media censorship

Complete online censorship

Verbal censorship

user thrown in gulag for thought crime

Holla Forums utopia

Here's an actually informed opinion.

They're mostly doing it because the FBI reported hate crimes are on the rise since 2015, and Twitter doesn't want to fuck with people who might be responsible.

It is not about censorship of ideals, it's not wanting to have their website a hotbed of white nationalist criminals and other fascist sort.

Which is entirely reasonable actually, looking back at how moderation worked in the past on the internet, before social media.

ayy lmao, we're not in communism, or socialism, we don't have to play by our own rules if we're still forced to play by yours.

The role here is reversed tbh. If Twitter and Facebook ban Fascists they're not starting a trend of censorship, they're just catching up to norms embraced by public institutions since 1945.

I think you would think a community college is a gulag for not letting you scream nigger all day

This. A fucking private service can't abolish "free speech" because these losers can go outside the boundaries of Twitter's authority and keep parroting their nonsense. Twitter just doesn't want to be the ones blamed for whatever they do.

Hello, porky.

Hurrr. Fuck off liberal.

This is a smart response, and a very well thought out argument I think

Remember when we need to make the argument that Fascism serves the interests of capital in the future?

oh no guys, they're learning our ways.

>one side is getting too disgusting for my late stage capitalist taste

So, yeah. When porky is cannibalizing its own spectacle we should celebrate.

Same would apply to the other side, tho.

I've been recently thinking about how the 20th century capitalism's last resort to fascism would work on the other side, that is, what would happen if capitalism's last resort would be an extreme version of "liberalism" and not "conservatism."

or did that already happen?

see

It's really not all that complex. Anybody with an internet connection or a memory before 2007 wouldn't be surprised or offended by this.

this might be legit one of the dumbest posts I've read on leftypol

xplain why

That's great, because he's talking a lot of sense.

Thankyou anfem, you can always spot a good argument.

And I'm supposed to believe some smallcase poster isn't some pleb that's wandered in? Why should liberals not be reported?

Holla Forums is already doing that, plus they're much less important than fascists.

I think we should try to get normies banned too tbh, it would make twitter look a shitter.

Why would anybody here care about making twitter look bad?

First of all you seem dumb enough to conflate whatever the moderation of a social media website is doing with the desires and impulses of an entire class. Twitter is not acting out of a larger class strategy, otherwise they would have acted sooner. Twitter pressure to act against the alt-Right has a lot more to do with your post-elections celebrations of DM'ing everyone and calling them niggers than anything else. And if we follow your logic, "porky" (great grasp of our lingo there) also opens its doors to alt-Righters, "porky" also finances far-right parties, "porky" also starts websites like Breitbart. We have as much evidence of the bourgeoisie being currently invested in Fascism than against it. This isn't how a class analysis works.

Second, your idea that a threatened bourgeoisie could be compelled to use "liberalism" (assuming you mean progressive, social-liberal policies) is very sharp observation. One wonders what would happen if the bourgeoisie offered benefits as a way to acertain its rule over dissenting proles! It's almost as if that's a technique as old as Marx's time with good old Bismarck's welfare policies! Or have you not lurked enough to know that literally everyone Socialist from 1789 onwards considers these counter-revolutionary?

But oh nevermind, that was very thought-provoking, and finishing it with "or did that already happen?" really makes me wonder that we're living in like, multicultural progressive totalitarianism, maaaan.

lmao forget about the "learning our ways" part

Because, my fellow leftist, we cannot allow Twitter to get away with this persecution of our - I mean with this blatant attack on freedom of speech.

I'm not familiar with the expression.

I can't believe this. There should be some classification for corporations that deal in speech to be held accountable for the first amendment, because this is ridiculous. Technology has progressed to the point where we're all dependent on it in multiple ways and the corporations control all avenues. they can't be held public accountable at all.

I can't believe this
Are they serious?
Like oh my pagan gods

You would be so mad at the internet before your balls dropped. Actually, you probably were and got banned, anyways that's a good explanation as any why you think being a nazi is a good life choice.

[Insert response here]

I'd go with objective economic interests, tbh.

Never said otherwise.

Yeah, tell me about those "class desires" again.

But I obviously don't, and I greentexted what I meant about it, so… maybe read again and reply to what was said?

The economic thrust of capital (base) by itself can not create the environment of totalitarianism. It needs the superstructure for it. The question is: can a different superstructure (progressive liberal, that is) accommodate capital to create a totalitarian environment?

If this were another era you'd just be hung.

Be thankful you were born in an era where the worst thing to ever happen to you is someone took away one of your social media accounts.

I think the simpler answer is the FBI put pressure on social media to look into radical right political groups on the internet, and people who parrot them, because of the rise of reported hate crimes since 2015, but that's just me.

We could also analyze this a million different pointless ways.

are you saying that private ownership over media is corrupting free speech?

what a wild idea

oh, the e-/drama/. oh, the humanity!

I don't think there should be any cheering. They'll just use the similar justifications to remove the left from the site ("extremist speech"). An indictment of Twitter's hypocrisy would be more valuable than celebrating a company for removing people for any reason.

We shouldn't be praising a company for kowtowing to the FBI at all.

So, if a group of corporations decided to ban all speech about ideas on the left, this wouldn't be an attack on free speech either? I've always found this argument utterly specious since these corporations do act as modern public forums in a personally disconnected age. This is frankly a liberal way of thinking about the issue: "their property, their rules."

We shouldn't be praising rising hate crime either.

Even if so, the FBI is not outside of the control of the base (you know, which, especially in times of crises should be determinate "in the last instance"). So you either incorporate it to what user called "class analysis" or you deal with it as some kind of foreign agency.

Another aspect, that I think is important.

What was the key thing that has changed since that made 20th century fascism possible? National capital: capital, yes, but still mostly confined to countries. Since globalization the very inertia of capital has changed: it is totally unrestricted, free-flowing.

Analyses of imperialism, ideologies, etc. should follow this change. I'm aware that I >meme posted my thing about liberalism being the new superstructural component for modern totalitarianism, but I def. think it is not far fetched.

Thank God this is a class conscious board, then. ;^)

I'm glad this is a class conscious board.

Unfortunately we have people who pretend to be Zizek amongst us.

Fortunately I never did. Besides that, no one on Twitter is committing a hate crime by saying nasty things to and about other people. If so, Holla Forums (as well as Holla Forums itself) would be a hate crime hotbed.

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I see the logic you deploy, and it is flawed, at least in my opinion.

It seems you evoke this "first they came for the X, then for Z, then for W, and then there was nobody left to report about these instance" kind of ww2 logic.

Well, newsflash. X and Z here are the two faces of capital: liberalism and conservativism. It isn't the jews (the boogeyman for nazis), it isn't the communists (the real threat to capital), it isn't the…

It's the current order cannibalizing itself.

Even Zizek pretends to be Zizek. Just ask him, he would tell you openly.

The "objective economic interests" here is merely to not get a shit rep of being tolerant to white supremacists. There's literally zero need for them to make a class-conscious self-reflection and act according to a wider bourgeois strategy because Capitalism is not exactly under threat by any force right now. They just want to keep their business going, and letting neo-nazis abuse sensitive teenagers is not really a great business model.

You greentexted the common elements of both conservatism and liberalism, and then asked what would happened if they went for the extreme version of one instead of the other. Naturally, I focused on the differences.

What you're asking is redundant. The political superstructure to capitalism, the bourgeois institutions, are there regardless of the circumstances. The rites and agendas they move towards at a given time are the ones that best accomodate capitalism to its circumstances and challenges. They can make use of everything in the book, including Socialist ideas.

Besides the point.

God you fucking people would have had an aneurysm on the internet before 2010

You may have a misconception of about what NationaI Socialism is. It's about peace and stability.

Oh shut up and go away.

Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause working for the clampdown

We will teach our twisted speech
To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men
To be young believers

If a group of corporations decided to purge their entire apparatus of left-wing ideas that wouldn't be "censorship", that would be regular capitalism. Mainstream media for example is not bound by any rule to attend to or accomodate all views.

And if it's a communication service that acts as a public forum, it's bound by the same rules of any public forum. Try yelling "niggers" in any of them.

it's about ethics in game herbalism

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Funny thing is you're probably one of those dudes that posts Daily Mail headlines featuring angry muslims followed by a snarky comment like "oh, religion of peace you say????"

So when they make anti-status-quo trending topics invisible (recently: wikileaks) we should just shut up and go post it elsewhere?
Why are you sucking Silicon Valley's dick just because they attacked some losers you don't like?

Yelling jews did 9/11 niggers niggers niggers niggers was bannable at any given point in the history of the internet, and contrary to popular belief, is not actually anti-status quo in any conceivable way. It's just nonsense.

Yeah it's good. Nothing of value is lost. It'll make more apolitical people come to the platform where they can be converted to some form of leftism.

Not so much. I'm saying the reasons they deploy for removal will be used against the left as well. It's not so much "first they came" as it is letting their justification of "fighting extremism" stand when it's laden with hypocrisy.

Do you have anything close to a point?

Of course it would be censorship. Just because the government isn't enforcing the censorship doesn't imply it isn't because ownership of property (and others' non-ownership) is the most frequent way dissenting views are censored within modern capitalism.

You can, although you'll suffer consequences (as you will online also). And it's an odd example to pick considering people on this board say "niggers" all the time.

I wasn't saying that at all. The point is that SV censors and is not on our side in any way imaginable. They're a far more relevant enemy than some alt-right autists.

The internet banned these people instantly at any other given point, eg you're a pussy and you need to stop crying. It was done because of the rise in hate crime.

Nobody cried back then when someone got banned, and people who got banned and cried about it were laughed at.

Oh, the golden years

This isn't censorship.

Maybe so, but then again, OP gave us 0 evidence to back his claim up. (Muh one paranoid alt-right post doesn't really count, does it?)

But let's run with it. Let's say this is true and it is indeed a purge.

No. With every shift in presidents (not to mention ruling parties) comes a shift of preferential capital. That is real change in the structure of domination of different sectors.

When I invoked "economic interests," I was alluding to the aforementioned, nothing else. It is far more likely, IMO, that capital behind the Democrats is strengthening its bastions vs. the capital behind the Republicans.

That is true, but that is merely a structural statement. Saying the same is true for the beginning of capitalism, for ww1 capitalism, for ww2 capitalism, for "cold (and hot) war" capitalism, and globalized capitalism. The nature of the superstructure changed with every one of these periods.

So the real question is about the contemporary nature of the base and the accompanying superstructure, really, and since the base follows a virtually unrestricted logic, a "liberal superstructure" fits it more.

If they do this, they're are attending political standards that they have no legal or obvious reason to, but if they make #killallniggers invisible they're attending standards of human rights protection that are pretty much the norm everywhere.

M8 the Left is getting shit on by Twitter admins since way before your little purge started. Every week one of ours go down due to some mythical harassment charge, and many Left pundits have lost jobs because of it. I'm still not jumping to the defense of fucking nazis because of it.

Very good ban them from facebook/reddit and possibly from real life too.

It is a form of silencing when they remove trending leftist topics from being visible. But according to your logic it's their right because they're "just another" private business, so we just pack our ideology and take it elsewhere. Twitter is a monopoly, there's no elsewhere.

Said everyone who was banned for saying nigger on freeforums ever

Who cares? Fascists don't have rights.

This is a very scary thought process to have. It's a slippery slope, you should not dehumanize anyone, even if you disagree with their political views.

You need to understand the origins of this "war against X." (pic related)

I'm saying something different: since the origin of this "meme" is rooted in a fight against communism, and since communism is mostly dead or unconscious, they aren't using it against us. I'm very skeptical (but supportive) of a slowly-emerging left that might eventually be bothered or found by the "meme" that was originally created against it since our world-outlook is much more darker (total apocalypse).

I'm not talking about alt-right you retards, they do this shit to us as well if you haven't noticed.

Twitter is the just a leftist Holla Forums

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I was talking about the alt right, so why are you arguing with me.

Are you kidding me?

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Except for Holla Forums and other trans nazi sites.

You realize slippery slope is a fallacy right? I'm already at the bottom anyways. If we have mass graves for your kind, what kind of liberal nonsense is it to care about your fucking emotions or freedom of speech?

Don't dehumanize me. I am worthy of your compassion just as anyone else is.

we should

I wasn't talking about alt-right, so why are you arguing with me?

no, you are trash kid

nah

It was an example of the internet before Twitter, and yes, it was very autistic.

But the point stands if you put your face on an account and not only say NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER and get banned, and then create a sock account and get banned, and have social consequences for doing said thing

you probably aren't smart enough for an internet connection and don't deserve one.

*kicks dirt on your brand new shoes*
Get lost, kid

Who's "the internet?" Because it sounds like exactly no one. Regardless, I was on 4chan prior to 2010 (starting in 2006), and, no, things like that weren't removed.

No, it was done because the FBI wanted it done. "Rising hate crime" was their justification. We shouldn't let Twitter pretend it's some beacon of progress for doing this when in reality this only demonstrates how intertwined the US government and tech corporations are.

yes, because an ideology that advocates genocide and totalitarianism is really PEACEFUL now, isn't it, stormfag?

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Mr Internet

It's Mr Internet.

4chan is actually not a parallel to Twitter.

They have hegemony over mainstream discourse, yes, but that isn't censorship. Censorship is when they achieve this hegemony not by control over popular devices of communication, but by outlawing others.

Bingo. What do you think this purge is?

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I'm too afraid of jumpscare to read the entire dialogue. Someone pls tell me what happens.

He says as he dehumanises blacks, jews, and slavs.

You've dehumanized yourself, bud.

If you can't learn to love others that aren't like you, it is a sign that you don't love yourself, which is an unhealthy thing to do.

Don't take your anger out on me - ponder what in your life feels unfulfilled, and realize that is the source of your anger. Not me.

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DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED

I love all of humanity, you are a threat to that which I love, so I must hate you.

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What the fuck is this

You know I'd be down for abolishing moderators and handling that shit democratically within members of a community.

I hate me because me and youare the same spe ie, yes

Such a classic.

i like that quote
if only you liberal wannabe leninist dipshit would take it to heart

Depends on what kind of bad things. For example, a Weimar Revolutionary could be blamed for promoting homosexuality.

Literally cancer.

le ebin bait bro XD

Having hegemony over mainstream discourse and the ability to exclude other views is.

Censorship originally entailed the removal or noncirculation of works rather than the outlawing of the author. Essentially your point is rephrasing "only governments can censor" because only governments can exclude views directly by legal means (i.e. "outlaw"). Yet views can also be excluded by corporations indirectly using legal means (namely property rights), and the difference between the two types of exclusion amount to nothing because both exclusions are at the threat of force if one does otherwise.

A corporation using its property rights to censor views the FBI wanted censored.

Was also meant for .

Hate is not the way. I am part of humanity. Do not hurt me.

Didn't the nazis believe in magic? Real materialistic.

Gandhi wasn't a true pacifist. If you won't defend something you love against violence then you don't love it.

Ghandi was a faggot

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No, it's not good. But that's not the question you should be asking. You should be asking: is it justified?

It sort of depends on who you believe makes up the majority of the "alt-right". If we're talking average everyday people, all they did was speak they mind so no it's not justified. It's a baby tantrum. If we're talking alt-right as in Holla Forums it is actually completely justified.

All Holla Forums ever does is whine about censorship while their board is the most censored on the site. It wasn't until GamerGate that Holla Forums had a reason to be justified for being angry about arbitrary bans, but then they embraced the same tactics and banned people and ideas they don't like. Then they are surprised that these places haven't gotten better but worse?

Since they aren't willing to lead by example, they get what they wrought.

classic XD

Top kek

Twitter is a profit seeking platform. Alt-right, which is just plain old fascism is commercial poison.

I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.

They'll do the same to the left once these protests and direct actions start affecting porky's bottom line. Everyone needs to get on social GNU

Solid shitposts, fellas, keep it up.

Oh shit, 'Mr. Trump is concerned about Twitter's censorship.

twitter.com/Cernovich/status/798751885838544897

Which server? The problem is that such decentralization creates even more echo chambers.

He's not wrong.>>1057963

Take your own advice man!

Suddenly Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, etc don't exist?

Okay Twitter is apart of an oligopoly you pedantic broke dick NEET bootlicker.

Ahahaha

Weird, they seem to have no problem getting money from nazi orgs.

LE Ebic Marxists coming to the defense of some website owned by someone rich on someone else's work. Marxists always someone else's tool.

You're not going to talk anybody into being a useful idiot for nazis.

Nobody's defending Twitter, we just don't give a shit.

Being a useful idiot for the bourgeoisie is better?

Yes, nazis are gross.

tbh the left needs it's own alternative to twitter

I'm not sure how not kissing nazi ass is helping the very same people the nazis want to protect but sure.

So? That doesn't mean we should start hailing King Porkie when he does something that seems to marginally help us. We should always maintain a distance and critically analyze moves like this. There's too much celebration in this thread over piddly Holla Forums v. Holla Forums bullshit when this story has nothing to do with us or the overall strength of the left. The more interesting aspect of it is the cooperation between Twitter and the FBI, and the former's willingness to remove groups and users at the latter's behest without any relation to an active crime but to political views.

why the fuck are people in this thread celebrating this? Do you people not understand why we even came to Holla Forums in the first place?

Always support free speech on any website people, no matter what their ideology may be.

It's federated, that means servers can talk to each other, you can follow people from other servers and people from other servers can follow and talk to you. Just like email. Sadly it's full of anime reactionaries now, it really needs the leftist presence it used to have.

Of course Twitter has a monopoly when it comes to "microblogging" i.e. spreading propaganda and making it go viral. If you want to see what's "trending" you go to Twitter. It's the best tool for manufacturing consent and managing public opinion.

Yeah the fucking irony of that. Except you can't state an opinion without getting shouted down or banned.

I got banned from Holla Forums months ago for """""Holla Forums"""""" baiting. This place isn't a """bastion of free speech"""" as it is a bunch of alt right wing faggots sperging out on every board talking """muh race realism""" and """muh dying western culture"""" and the like.

Fuck off and die.

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No, because the ideological basis of cultural right wing thought is a persecution complex, so acknowledging them in this fashion is beyond stupid. It wants these people to seem like they are in the right in some way.

This is the irony of the media: it actually relishes in and encourages these people because it thrives off of controversy.

I knew you'd post that. No, I don't give a shit about their property rights. I'm poking fun at Holla Forums's sheer schizo hypocrisy, t'is all.

Tools like Twitter are perfect for absorbing and managing any opposition. Everybody is there as a customer expressing his thoughts while the corporations profit not only through your clicks but by selling you as a product to other customers. And you do it for free! But people can't see beyond their short-sighted obsessions.

Good

Of course they're obnoxious hypocrites, but we shouldn't be seen as supporting corporate bans on political views either. You effectively give support to property rights even though you don't truly support them. What does it matter if a "private company" does it? They're still coercing behavior through the threat of state violence because the platform's their private property.

Or, never support rights for fascists at all. Besides, free speech doesn't mean people can't kick you out of places for being a cock, get out of my house.

depends what board
They dont like political bullshit derailing threads, but having shitty moderation isnt much of an argument. you have the freedom on here to make a Holla Forums alternative if you have a problem with it.
Go on boards where you dont get banned then. There plenty of them.
edgy. how about you fuck off back to tumblr

Bullshit. We should applaud ever sling and arrow pol and Nazis get.

They take every opportunity to smear and red bait the left

wew

too bad I support rights for all
if users were breaking the rules than they can go

do you have a better alternative?

Twitter is privately owned. Nazis support private property leftists don't. Sorry I don't have fucking time to save people being bitten in the ass by their own ideology.

You go ahead I'm sure those Nazis will be so grateful they won't kill you if they ever get power

That's fucking stupid. There is nowhere on the internet which isn't "private property". Even if you run your own server you still need to have an ISP to allow people to connect to you. Would you really post such a stupid fucking post if Facebook, Twitter, and your ISP decided to ban any and all activity related to leftism? Would you just shrug your shoulders, repeat the mantra of "their property, their rules", and start applying for a license to lay your own fucking undersea cables?

Is that meme supposed to funny?

heh lol wtf kek xD

you could try not being a massive faggot

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Porkys going to go after leftists cause they threaten his ability to steal surplus value. Not cause of oppression creep.

Also fuck the alt right, we have nothing to gain by spending energy defending them. If the shoe were on the other foot they'd be doing everything they could to help

Help porky*

Then you're liberal swine. Fascists must die. Your pacifism does nothing but protect the state.

Alt rights love to spread false information, biased articles disguised as "neutral" and general bullshit. And they have the face for complaining about propaganda and brainwashing.

The shoe is firmly on the foot of these Silicon Valley platforms and networks. Alt-right is just a distraction within the network.

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This.

We should destroy them through debates, not blocking them out.

kek

Liberals do the same thing but they have the whole system on their side. And they both feed off each other in the end.

If fascism could have been defeated through debate, HItler would never have risen to power

You cannot debate people that have openly renounced reason.

No, that tactic has never worked ever…

Yes, because the le ebil nazis have been raping women in the streets and running people over with trucks.

If you love everyone so much, why don't you just move to the Congo, or Somalia? In fact, you can move to the wonderful socialist utopia known as: North Korea.

The nazi will pretend to be offended and surprised at censorship precisely because they know if given the same power they would use it to provoke the same things but damn different trigger words.

It's a fucking twatter "politics", why censor it? The sooner all these twatter "politics" goes down in the shithole, the better it is.

Oh wait, because it's not globally profitable maybe.

Also,
Fuck off, Holla Forums.

What if Twitter started purging communists?

This.

lol leftypol, the champions of freedom and liberty, defending a giant cooperation censoring the the internet because of "muh hatethought"
who could have guessed

subjective but yes
nah, we don't take kindly to that 'round hur

i support rights for fashies personally

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the left needs an alternative to Twitter anyway

Don't care. Twitter is useless garbage. I don't take anyone seriously who has an account in there tbh.

This kind of narcissism is why we're impotent. You might not take it seriously but the masses do.

I just came here to laugh at what total normie faggots you all are.
Enjoy being completely irrelevant forever more, traitors.

Yeah, comrade, the left totally needs an even safer space than twitter.

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so peacefull

Face facts: you are all mentally female, and thus view yourselves as victims, in spite of being affirmed more or less constantly by every institution.

Left = female-minded narcissism-induced faggotry.
Right = male-minded cultivation and protection of civilisation.

Yeah, we should just keep using a liberal propaganda outlet and nsa front that censors information uncomfortable to the capitalist class

you fucking retard

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FUCKING WHITE MALE (SUPREMACIST)!! HERE'S YOUR (YOU)

I mean not that you're wrong. I am.

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it's twitter protecting liberals' own safe space tbh

The effeminacy of the leftist is best perceived simply by listening to 'him' speak.
He will almost always have a voice at least an octave higher than his right wing opponent.
Little wonder, then, that such maggots are always so quick to throw other men under the bus.

Oh fuck off. You would have been banned any other time in the history of the internet and you whining from a sock account about it would have gotten you banned twice as fast and permanently.

This is just the way it works. Get use to it, stop crying about make believe censorship.

Woah……………..holy shit……..

Actually, it would be them following their own t&c

Unironic opinion:

Sometimes, people forget that what is often taken for granted, is not within the public sphere but in the private sphere of others. Doesn't mean I condone what Twatter is doing, though. After all, if we have grown here then we have to adhere to Marxism-Brennanism. If not, you've denied our rightful struggle here, and a left-wing deviation that has to go to >>>/gulag/.

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How long have you been here

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Is this a shitpost or a serious post?

I've been on planet earth for 28 years.
Throughout that time, leftist mores (and that is to say, female mores) have been absolutely ubiquitous. I know you inside out. It is the leftist (female) who knows nothing of his (her) opposition, being completely driven by solipsistic narcissism.

As I said above: leftism is female, rightism is male.

To this end, all the 'male' leftist is to women (and jews, who themselves are inherently and profoundly effeminate) is a useful idiot, giving them everything they THINK they want.
In truth, women may not be able to help grasping and exploiting, but they loathe nothing more than the men that enable these flaws.

You are the archetypal thirsty betas, given false promises of eternal love, for as long as you remain expedient to women (and the jews).

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And you still haven't established a social presence enough to post anywhere but here

That's really pathetic.

You sound like a beta male incel cuck

What if we're gay though? I mean you're always saying we are.

You being gay would be typical. Gays being closer to women than normal men are.

And yet you don't know shit about history/politics. Good job idiot.

Are you posting from like

Singapore or something

I know that I've gotten to you by stating something so obvious and observable that any number of leftist bloggers, academics and politicians would (and have) echoed my sentiments; albeit from a position of perverse pride in the fact.
The average leftist 'male' actually gets off on betraying his sex, just as he does his race.
You are all profoundly narcissistic women.

Please do carry on polishing your halos, though…it's not going to count for much in the coming years - your 'philosophy' being entirely dependent on the luxury that actual white men have enabled.

But you're 28 and have nothing to hold to your name so you argue on a board on Holla Forums about hypothetical incel cucks and you're kind of projecting.

You believe history is a conflict of personality types. You don't know shit about history/politics.

Hush, girls. Man-talk, now.

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Desperate.

Deinfe civilization

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These jewish girl minded incel cucks can't wrap their heads around their own incel cuck sophistry

No, he has a point. What is "civilization"? A 50s sitcom?

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New levels

Are you mentally ill? Answer my question.

European civilization has a long and proud history reasoned debate. By refusing to define your terms in an open discussion you are spitting on European tradition.

Nobody is envious of you. You are clearly a wreck.

fuck off dumb turd

It's okay to admit that you can't.

You just responded to that comment with "yes i have the memory of a goldfish"

Race is a spook, friend.

friendship is a spook, buddy

Your sophistry is inherited from the jewish academics that have shaped your worldview.
You are simply not autonomous or analytical enough to understand this.

As I have already said - you girls will continue polishing your halos and attempting to convince all and sundry that the sky is green: meanwhile the public will turn to us, and away from you (in disgust), as circumstance necessitates masculine virtues.

You are all a symptom of luxury and decadence: nothing more.

Did you just call blacks 'spooks'???? Not cool dude…don't be THAT guy!!!

The irony is so strong I can iron my shirt with it

These academics have made us all nodding incel cucks! The bastards!

masculinity and virtue are both spooks as well

If you use that racial slur again, guy, then I'm going to have to consider you a douche.
Last warning: DON'T BE THAT GUY.

how do I stop being a cuck? I've tried everything.

oops…it seems you "hero" is friend with the jews

How do I convince you into Jewish Shia Muslim Incel Marxism

there is no such thing as "preserving" culture

Listen, Jon Stewart - we all love how wittily you undermine those tea party rednecks…but, you know…maybe, just maybe, there are some things about western civilisation worth defending, and maybe, just maybe, we don't all want to see whites minoritised in all of our nations.

I still find you well funny, and I apologise if I came off like a bit of a douche or like THAT guy.

But how do I convince you into Jewish Shia Muslim Incel Marxism

"What!?, it's about Justice and Development!"

Tell him he'll get a pure white waifu if he never has sex and helps the joos and mooslims cuck hard working businessmen.

western civilization is a spook

i for one strongly disagree.

this is "should intolerance be tolerated" debate.
i found the answer, NO.

if society was a person, should that person let another person harm it or destroy it ?.
the answer is, NO.
legally speaking, you have the right to defend yourself if your life is at risk.

fascists an other sectarian movement are an existential threat to democracy. they are mutually exclusive.
same way that sharia law is incompatible with it.

society has the right to defend itself.

Good thing it's not.

fixed. Banning aut-right twitter accounts will just lead to a streisand effect of making them the victim, as well as feeding them the energy of feeling that they're right since their views have gotten them silenced. They should be left to be dummies and to be laughed at at best, blocked at worst.

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When has this ever not been a dog whistle for "kill everyone not like me"?

You are white jihadis.

Sects are not an existential threat to democracy. Only institutional powers are. The sole meaningful method of preventing (internal) threats to democracy is to limit the possibility and impact of abusing them.

There are no exceptions here. Normalize abuse of fascists, and soon everyone inconvenient for any reason will start turning into a fascist.

I abhor social media sites and their users and wish them all the worse, so this is actually a funny story for me. But it stops being funny when this thread of so full of clueless porky-enabling retards.

Man like a third of this thread is Holla Forums falseflagging, jesus christ.

You ever hear Volodymer Kolychev speak, that pinochet-loving An-cap who hosts The Daily Shoah? Nasal and castrated/10

I'm glad there's people dumb enough to learn politics from twitter, not like me, the genius who learned politics from Holla Forums.

Brilliant satire.

Western civilization is actually one of the worst things to ever happen to this planet.

Can you further explain what you meant by that?

its not offensive

He has a point. "Western Civilization", really means Enlightment era thought. We could bring Rome into this, but Rome is just a shittier copy of Greece that's second times farce proven right, and Greece was the culmination of many cultural ideals from orientalizing parts.

When you say Western Civilization, what you mean is modern medicine, and those pretty evocative landscapes that talented people painted, science and so on. But the West has never been unique in this respect.

When talking about contributions, what you're really talking about is Imperialism and Colonialism. Not only reprehensible in the moral sense, but also the same behavior that got you into the mess you don't like in the first place.

This is why right wing ideologies are joke.
They are obsessed with fun and humor even when the subject matter is serious.

Our planet is literally dying because of it. Not much to unpack there.

Nope. We're next.

imperialism is not unique to western culture. Read moar history Soros sponsored idiot

That's a good point.
I don't know much about art so can you help me gather a list of non-white, non-western artists so we can end this meme when rightwingers bring it up?

Imperialism is not unique to Western history, but I never suggested it wasn't. In fact, I suggested the opposite.

Stop arguing when you can't even read an argument correctly.

I said that Colonialism is bad regardless, never otherwise said it was unique to the West, but when you mean "Western Civilization", you surely mean its most negative aspects that brought consequences that you otherwise hate now.

For the most part, it was never painting. It was sculpture, and sculpture in construction. China, being prime example.

They're so simple they believe art to be just of pigment and paint. Far from it.

As for actual artists, I can't name exact names, but I know movements.

I am George Soros

Go live in a cave then.

Quality Holla Forums arguments.

Or we could not rely on crude oil, and coal, and greenhouse gas emitting shit, and ripping holes in our ozone, and having a large population worldwide colonialist into becoming reliant on these dangerous methods, instead of living in caves.

You do know there was a point in US history where in cities we had acid rain? Or when smog was uncontrollable and everyone ate up asbestos like it was nothing.

Would your argument , at that point be

What is our next move in this great game we call life, master?

Holla Forums literally believes that "Western Civilization" is the reason we all aren't living in caves.

Ignore the Rand Corporation exists and other such inconvenient facts, that Neoliberalism and "modern conservatism" share much of the same donors

You too, just like the "anarcha-feminist" must read moar history. In Europe people were still discovering how to make fire and in Mesopotamia agrculture was discovered.

Fuck the masses. They are dumb and they deserve all the shit that is coming on their way. I don't give a fuck anymore. People want to be retarded? let them be retarded.
I doubt anyone ever said something even remotely interesting on twitter. It's just generic people saying generic shit.
I had a facebook account once. I doubt twitter is any different.

"FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME"

To say nothing of China. Compare it at any point in history before 1800 and it makes Europe look ridiculous.

Only thing threads like this are useful for is realizing how many spooked liberals are among us.

FREE MARKET BITCHES

A basically read liberal Stirner memer calling others liberals is pretty funny

why? he's the greatest hysterical parody of these idiots anyone could concoct

it's called 'gab' and they already have that

it's basically just an irrelevant siberia for the edgy crowd

not necessarily "western civilisation" but it's an unfortunate necessity. accelerationism baby

we would never have industrialised without doing that damage. humanity would still be at a 1750 level of existence. can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. colonialism was harsh but if the West hadn't done it, others would have.

So leftypol is basically a bunch of wimpy little faggots who slobber all over a wealthy capitalist's boots because he promises to stop mean people from offending you while you waste your days reading inane celebrity gossip?

You've become a fucking joke. I remember early on, when we actively distanced ourselves from BLM and other retards. We weren't Holla Forums, being offensive for the sake of offence, but we weren't little bitches either. Now we're fucking tumblr, taken over by the goons that Holla Forums triggered into coming here in search of a safe space.

This is funny, because Marx was spawned by "industrializing".

Also we very well could have, this isn't true. Some of the first motors, particularly car motors, ran on alternatives to their petrol based counterparts, but the petrol industry fucked them over and the rest is history.

It was a twin pronged effect between that and the Industrial Revolution. The latter being what inspired Marx's critiques of Capital and organized labor.

Trying to tell you that you shouldn't be surprised when something is moderated the way it always has been, isn't really praising Twitter one way or the other. It's a bit of a relief for many the guy with twelve socket puppet accounts is IP banned, but I'm not praising it.

You're more of the whiney faggot, and we've had plenty of people crying over getting banned in the history of the internet.

It's a non issue to class.

Also

Is not a solid defense of Colonialism. We would not be in a 1750 level of existence had much of the British Empire "accomplished"

they really are some of the whiniest, impotent creatures alive

day of the rope soon Holla Forumsrother

LMFAO

You're the one crying about how no one will help daisyl fascists against Twitter.

If fascist want to help the left abolish private property so problema like this don't happen then they need to take direct action against Twitter instead of crying for help from the very people they advocate for killing

That's if you buy into the belief this came at the behest of some .gov request.

I think it has more to do with Twitter realizing being a platform where anime nazis can spread their propaganda and attack regular users is not good for their bottom line.

did you have a stroke or something?

It was a bit incoherent because it was a one sentence insult with a lot of meat packed in.

I was calling you not read enough to rebuke Stirner's work, and a liberal because of and in spite of it, and someone who enjoys stale memes.

Loving all the tears from pol and pol sympathizers on this issue.

You're going to see more tears as pol realizes they widely hated and only won the presidency because of corruption.

Reminder Twitter has been struggling with their market value and are definitely trying to clean their image.

Do they think that if Trump has won then da gubmand is no longer a threat or something? That thread is hilarious.

yeah this is pretty gr8 pasta

it's almost like they're so sheltered they've never seen an actual wolf, and so bored from being sheltered that they seek out what they think are wolves and menstruate about it

by what sauce?

south park se20 is the only quality theory you will get in 2016.

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This thread is a definite proof that "progressives" are incapable to learning anything.

*farts*

not an argument

This. So much.

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Socialists don't own major corporations like twitter dumb ass. We are not responsible for them enforcing their terms and conditions.

WISH WE COULD TURN BACK TIME

Except Twitter's stock value has stagnated, and this might even increase it because the butthurt all of the censorship will cause is what they want. They don't make money from people personally approving of how they run their site, they make money off of people using it. And what better way to ensure that than to stir controversy?

Also, we are not liberals. We had no stake in it.

Economic issues won the election, Americans always chose poorly when it comes to this because the United States leaves its public in the dust, especially poor working class, in education.

So we end up electing either Clinton or Trump.

The internet culture war is any more relevant than the same thing we had 6 years ago or six years before that.

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An economic candidate was doing so well in the Democratic primary that the DNC had to rig his campaign, and because Democrats are the smuggest human beings ever born, Clinton and her liberal idiot followers ended up pissing everyone else off so much that they voted Trump simply to spite them.

And fuck it up again? No thanks.

Are you suggesting we're progressives

Stop pointing yourself out easily by misunderstanding reasons for A) what political beliefs are B) why elections occur they do, and why they're not up to teenagers or lost adults who see pattern in outcomes that aren't really there but wildly different.

Republicans are just as smug don't be a dumbass. He was elected because Democrats weren't offering solutions. Now they're going to find out neither will Republicans and they'll vote in another Democrat or maybe another Republican

We do this
Every
Time

Hi lefties.
For the record, this is why your liberalism is universally despised.
Enjoy having no power for the next few decades.

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Hi retard
For the record, you should kill yourself.
Enjoy death.

Republicans are a different kind of stupid. Instead of expecting everyone to automatically agree with them, they have such a severe persecution complex that they think no one does.

Imperialism as a unique stage of capitalism, not just "conquering big land"

0/10

How to spot one obese burger 101

It wasn't that despised any other time on the internet when moderation like this was common place

Only under one shared demographic the alt right has

Minors

Read the FAQ, newfag.

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Funny how "traditionalists" now seem to shit on the empire responsible for bring civilization to Western Europe.

Care to point out what's wrong about it. Because nothing I said was wrong. If you want to masturbate about Rome, it manages to just be impressive on statesmanship alone it bastardized from the Greeks who didn't accomplish it as well. For all else Rome was a disaster compared to Greece on the level of entertaining themselves by throwing slaves in a stadium with lions instead of practicing theater more where such constructions were initially inspired.

Largely when you talk about the West, you put it above others for no other reason then it's unfortunate habit of colonialism which usually ends up biting them on the ass in the long term.

str8 spookin

respect the demand of the market bruh. that's what the market dictates us. get over it.

TWITTER'S ACTUAL TOS SHOULD BE THAT THEY RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE UR ACCOUNT IF U PISS SOMEONE OFF THAT COULD HURT THEIR STOCK PRICE

Plato > the whole Roman Empire

Because begging to be dominated by an all encompassing state apparatus helmed by a pseudo father figure is the height of masculinity.

please start making based-communist-twitter memes for further butthurt of Holla Forums. this shit is hilarious.

If you knew anything besides military record and politicking you would agree. Rome destroyed enormous amounts of Greek art and plagiarized it in Marble from Bronze, it bastardized theater into making it a game of entertaining citizens with gladiators, it brought its own demise through its own unwise ambitions.

There is nothing inherently impressive about Rome other than how hilariously easy it was to just knock it over

Americans in general are fucking disgusting and this election has demonstrated that fact irrefutably. I have been forced to closely observe you cretins in your natural environment out of an interest in this election and I have never seen a species of such hypocritical, sensationalist, duplicitous, petty, spiteful, childish and ignorant creatures in my whole life. Often we find it difficult to understand the psychology of genocidal tyrants, but it is clear that the North American continent is in desperate need of its own Pol Pot. There is no hope for the American people who have been so inoculated to reality over sixty years of propaganda warfare they have ceased to resemble human beings. Basic decency is not only in deficit in the United States, it is positively despised. The American public is easily swayed by the most transparent posturing, and like Plato's cave dwellers will assault viciously anybody who respects them enough to tell them the truth. The American might be deserving of mercy were it not for the fact that he is dragging the rest of the species down into the pit with him. For this reason, the population of the world must divest themselves of pity, as it serves only to dampen our resolve. Mercy toward the American is cruelty to future generations. The head of the snake must be sliced off without remorse.

Its wise to do it.

Holla Forumstards think its because of censorship or because of the election. Its actually because they are annoying & retarded af.

Banning annoying retards is what is done in the internet, not on 4chan through because moderation there is garbage.

gladiator bouts were formerly funeral rites they stole inherited from the Etruscans

but yeah, Romans were the most successful thieves I'm history

Confirmed for having been failed in history class.
Then again, you wouldn't be a Marxist if you haven't.

I disagree with ur post, because I think the western civilization and it's accomplishments indeed unique from many other civilizations and should be respected.

Surely they did buncha colonizing and shit, but we should remember that majority of those who opposed the evil deeds of western civilization and seek for reform it also came from the western civilization. Hell, one of the early leftists came from Western civilization.

Damn the alt-right butthurt ITT is grear

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Necessity is the mother of invention.

I don't see how we could even think about things like solar power and modern sustainable technology without first having the industrial Base to produce them.

kys

I think you're trying to insult them by saying they failed history class but honestly history didn't start making sense to me until I read Marx.

Don't Holla Forumstards idolize vikings instead?

Damn right.

They also like Romans cuz muh empire

In structure, a Colloseum is a theater. It might not have been inspired in practice, but it was in how they gained crowds. What better way to draw a bunch of people to the societal equivalent of children torturing insects

All of the West's accomplishments from the ground up owe a debt in one way or another to the Near East from day 1. Art, and culture.

Vikings were pretty multicultural too

Yeah, because Western arts were never differentiated or evolved over time, thus becoming unique.

It evolved over time no more impressive than China or the Near East. Giving it precedence is nonsensical, it's a game of favorites and taste.

USA is a cultureless country and very dangerous. It must be vanished and it's land be given back both to Mexico and the few natives that are still alive

They like classical civilization and its philosophers, too.

They believe in traditional Western values like male stoicism and twink-fucking.

Nice opinion

I want La Raza to leave.

Traditionalist traps for Trump.

I never implied there's superiority in art. Quite the opposite actually.

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Trading one capitalist authority for another is stupid. The Mexican gov fucks over Mexicans more than anyone else.

But I personally would like you to stick around and spouting La Raza rhetoric to see how long it takes for all the white boys on the board to renig on the whole racisism is immaterialto class struggle haha

No.

It should go through working class revolution instead of some weird sjw fantasy

Jamal pls

Why do you talk about idpol so much. There's only proles and porky

Dumb liberal

Triggered liberal detected

Quit hanging on to your nationalistic spooks

Hello, Holla Forums

this will piss them off but it's tactically necessary

They already have a victim complex. Twitter is a major center of alt-right organization and this will help contain them.

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Dumb liberal

Delicious Holla Forums butthurt

You don't even know what idpol is and can't even greentext correctly.

You're the ones getting all mad at someone talking shit about your race and national spooks.

You're all just liberals fighting for different idpol

Triggered ethnic nationalist detected

Politics that has to do with identity to the exclusion of class.

You are too stupid toactually understand the concepts you are talking about

Dont blame me man, your kind is fucking stupid Holla Forums

Not too bright are you.

Bullshit. If some company banned a gay, black or jew they "government" would step in.

Being gay black or jewish is not equivalent to advocating genocide you fucking mong.

This is absolutely true. Twitter is further validating the "alt-right," through this shit, just like CNN is by having Glenn Beck talk shit about them (despite the fact that his ideologies are essentially identical to that of the "alt-right".)

The architecture now exists for Twitter to strike down on any rising left movement. Not only does the public have the ability censor any tweet with words the don't like, but Twitter will ban for hate speech. Sure, that's fine when the hate speech is against minorities, but what about if the left was using "hate speech," against bankers and the corporate elite?

The alt-right has only grown as it has because they're being made out to be something other than a group of NEET shit-posters.

They sometimes wish they were. Given any time in prison with the Aryan Brotherhood they'd become a bitch

Fear the brown dick, it is all-powerful

Brown people should fear the asian dick tbh

all you fags should be drastically rethinking how you tackle the present paradigm in a pragmatic way intead of kvetching your tiny members over "le alt right" getting banned on the tweeters

its not that hard to be "initiated" into AB if you are in prison, you dont have to stomp a nigger and you dont nec. get raped. Its basically the only legit excuse to become a nahtzi because you are doing it for your survival

I guesss what im saying is real life doesnt= Oz/american history X, my sheltered western liberal friend

left right is divide and conquer the correct political system is a mix between libertarianism and socialism if you disagree you are a fucking idiot stop fighting against the right meet them in the center, this is wwe, politics has nothing to do with real life, when you actually do anything with anybody left vs right does not play into anything at all - this is all a retarded distractions to keep you guys doing the same ritual every 4 years for eternity so a select few get to sit in the background doing jack shit while they live like kings , holy fuck its not rocket science you fucking morons

yer not wrong bruh, wish it were that easy

DIRIGISM

Let them live next door to you.

And playing the natsee card makes you the real racist against Whites.

"Actual Stalinism" You mean jewish puppet? I think we already have that.

its not about tweeter, they would shit up any similar service given time, twatter just the most influential atm.

this kind of stuff will always be a factor as long as you censor it, and the people censoring this kind of "Gedankengut" are quite aware of this, its the reason they do it most likely.

left-right paradigm is falling apart? quick lets conjure some kind of boogeyman and give them plenty of fodder, the way you fool people best is by mixing in a solid helping of truth

Honestly, if you're a member of the "alt-right" you don't deserve free speech in the first place.

Fascists don't qualify as humans and thus do not deserve the rights of human beings.

They aren't the alt-right anymore. Trump won the election remember?
Partly because of censorship like this, people are tired of not being able to speak out in real life because of political correctness. He might be a fascist but you're an idiotic hypocrit. He's not walking around town yelling about how the streets belong to his people and how they should be afraid. He's not silencing or censoring other people who disagree.

And if you're going to use the 'it's a private business and he can do whatever he wants' argument just get out. It's akin to going up to someone in a public park and forcefully ejecting them because they said they don't like dog owners and you're the manager of the park. When you provide a place for the purpose of meeting and discussing things like a public forum there must be reasonable concessions on freedom of speech. Now I'm not saying you should be able to say whatever you want but short of directly threatening people are inciting violence.

These kinds of removals are usually based on the number of complaints made about someone, or 'offended points'. Offend enough people? Receive banu. Because hurt feelings are real you know?

Not because he's 'inciting violence' which is clearly nonsense. Most of these people are calling for deportations, which is not fascism. Fascism is bringing 70 million foreigners into a country over 30 years in order to overwhelm democracy and pad the voting system with people who can vote for you. Instead of engaging in a literate discourse and intelligent argument to change minds.

You should have to reside in a country for 20 years before you get full voting rights.

Just remember in 30 years time, if you're still alive. Racist conservatards didn't destroy Western democracy, libtardism did.

Edgy