Bowden - Mishima Lecture

They had kids and instilled their values in them and spread the word. Look at this place we're posting in, look at the amount of information that is at our finger. If I were a cockier man I'd say we're the successors to the odd esoteric groups out there. Hitlers wizards get younger everyday. I know someone whose grandfather followed Mishima and that whole group, I can say that her family sticks to the traditional stuff and are very right wing.

I certainly won't dispute what you've said, I think you're correct on every point. However, it just seems to me that there is some piece of the puzzle hidden from view. You'd think we'd be getting shilled/encouraged by those geezers or see various manuscripts on the truth which are circulated discretely because they are poison to the Semitic world order. Perhaps I just have a Romanticist's view of such things. I can understand why individuals with our ideals have to remain underground, but even in these depths there don't seem to be anonymous claims about the existence of old orders.

I'd join an American equivalent Tatenokai in a heartbeat, even if that means openly declaring myself an enemy of this world.

Pointless wasted of everyone's time

fuck off kike

More Bowden speeches:
archive.org/details/JonathanBowdenAudioCollection

I don't hide underground with my ideas, hell I wear an SS hat around, spout somewhat subtle redpill stuff with no fucks given.
Whats out there is whats out there, somethings are lost and that is life. Besides that there isn't exactly a need for orders like such when you can post anti-semetic stuff anywhere upon the web and if you're a DIY guy you can get anything from the magic library at our fingertips and poster like its a task given to you by some magicman above or Hitler if that is your thing.

You know what's really "fashy"? Not using terms popularized by a jewish lolberg podcast.

I'd love to see an American Tattenokai come about. I found this thread right when I'm looking at a book by Mishima. I wish he wrote something that detailed his political views, like a Japanese Mein Kampf.

You know that Mishima was a flaming homosexual, right?

Probably bisexual. He had a wife and fathered two children.

Back in his era it was completely normal for gays to get married and have children. Many (most) of them weren't even bisexual. Forcing yourself to fuck a woman in order to make her pregnant so that you won't suffer shame and dishonour in the eyes of society is entirely possible without feeling the slightest attraction for the woman.
My concern is; how much of his self-improvement was done to make himself sexier to other men.
My father (did bodybuilding in his youth) corrected me early in my life when I made a joke about fags being "weak and girly."

What did Bowden ever accomplish apart from making endless speeches to other people who agree with him already about nonsense esoterica? Tell me how he actually benefited our race. He's a classic example of a dead-end road for the movement.

Who gives a fuck about a japanese faggot?

I'm alarmed to read that he frequently collaborated with Tricky Dickie Spencer.

And his artwork was questionable as fuck. Much of it consisted of nudes of children.
Warning signs shouldn't be ignored because they have a tendency to stack up.
Obsession with nude children + placing a non-White homosexual on a pedestal, plus collaboration with known agents.
It doesn't look good, does it.

IDK maybe you could spread his speeches around to people who haven't heard them yet faggot? Or should I say shlomo.

If anyone comes across as a Kike, it's Bowden.

Thank you based OP

Yup, sure. The guy who talks about holocaust revisionism is a kike, yup, that's him. Lol ok shlomo.

Hey kike, gotta second thread to shill.

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/140671192

Building up a strong far-right intelligentsia is of utmost importance. The left is perceived to have a monopoly on high-minded ideas, many leftist millennials aren't even aware that there exists an intellectual right-wing sphere beyond free-market AnCap ideas. Holla Forums's crass hate-facts redpilled me but Bowden's videos, at least in my case, gave our position an intellectual weight to trip up leftists in their own court. Leftists get to their present political positions by a very, convoluted, theory-driven route that subverts common sense perspectives of the world. By using their own academic jew-jitsu against them to bolster our reality/common sense based worldview, we score critical hits that leave deeper scars than simply calling them cucks or niggerlovers. This is a necessary tactic to convert/btfo the leftists that are actually intelligent but misguided. If you weren't a shill, I wouldn't have had to explain it to you. Now kill yourself

Hours of kike-exposing speeches.

You're the kike.

Hey kike, gotta second thread to shill.

4chan.org/pol/thread/140671192

We need more Bowden.

No-one who is interested in listening to fascist esoterica unless they are on our side already. Even people who might be interested in nationalism are just goign to be confused and put off by someone talking about a gay jap who died decades ago.

Did Hitler talk about esoteric Rosenbergian whatever in his speeches?

Nothing Bowden ever did was ever actually intellectual though. He just gave his potted summaries of right-wing thinkers or events, and put on top his own quasi-Nietzschean worldview. He doesn't really present any reasons or arguments, just a vague worldview. If you don't believe me, just look for the actual arguments (with facts, not feels) in waht he says.
Maybe you like that sort of thing, I don't know.

The actual 'intellectual weight' comes from people debunking the left wing narratives on racial equality/the Holocaust/immigration with actual evidence. We don't need Bowden's nosnsense.

I also dispute that there's anything 'common-sense' about his odd esotericism (have you seen his film?). I thought that was sort of the point.

Also the 'cuck' meme is a thousand times more effective than anything Bowden ever said or thought of. It had such memetic power it spread across the world and got into international news and had cucks kvetching about how much they love their adopted black son.

fuck off kike

Well, considering that 99% of Holla Forums havent read a single paragraph of said authors, i'd say his speeches have some value.

Bowden's material doesn't overthrow or replace content that you may feel is more effective or utilitarian. So why do you care? Why are you attacking this dead gentleman's value to us.

He provides interesting insights and cultural commentary and had a very compelling oratory and is great for people getting to grips with radical rightist theory. Just seems like your arguing for the sake of it, like a kike.

Bowden's approach to his oratory is 100% feels, that's the point, it's to appeal to the pre-rational portion of the brain in order to rally numbers of people at a gut level instinct, across class and intellectual boundaries. Our people are so beaten down that they will look at facts and reality from the wrong perspective to always perceive themselves as in the wrong/the oppressor. We've always had hate-facts at our disposal, but speeches like this give people the spiritual and intestinal fortitude to grow a spine and finally take them at face value and weaponize them. It might not be your cup of tea but I think it's a shame he died before the far-right renaissance took off. He's only preaching to the choir here because he peaked at our darkest hour. His crowds today would have been headline-making and disruptive.

Again, look for actual arguments or evidence for controversial conclusions in Bowden's work. You won't find any. (Also I think some of the things he says are just factually incorrect. Charitably, I won't say he's fabricating but just that he heard them incorrectly from someone else or maybe just accidentally added them in memory. For instance, he says that Clement Attlee made a speech in parliament saying that the purpose of immigration is to mix all the races of the world together, but I've searched through all of Attlee's speeches about immigration and haven't found anythign even close to that. Not that I doubt he thought it, but repeating incorrect information muddies the water)

Because Hitler was succesful and there's no evidence that any of those people accomplished anything.

Esoterica isn't intellectual. Is astrology intellectual?

That's a fair point, although most of the topics he covers are useless. By this I mean that they don't really help you udnerstnad the world today, nor do they give you any useful argumetns to use in trying to win people over to our side. The best argument you could make is that perhaps they inspire people to some sort of self-improvement, but I dobut that.

Because he exemplifies a dead-end road (esoterica) that people in our movement like to wallow in. It gives them a false sense of achievment while in fact they're doing nothing.

All his insights amount to, from what I've heard to him, is sub-Nietzschean stuff about how democratic values are weak and the strong dominate the weak etc. Which is all well and good, but are really just right-wing platitudes that don't amount to anything.
If you want to test this, just think hard about what any of those sort of assertions actually mean. If they're normative (about what the world shoudl be like) then I expect you agree with them already, in which case its pointless. If they're descriptive, then they're too vague to actually convey any information about the world, and in any case are unsubstantiated. So they're pointless.

Right so we just wear swastikas and march around, that will be sure to bring the masses to our side!

Nah fuck off, you're a kike.

Yes, of course. Astrology is one of the most demanding esoteric sciences there are, and I would not recommend anyone going into it before studying the seven liberal arts for at least 5-10 years.

lol who is bowden some civic nationalist CUCK xD

Additionally
If he's so boring and entry-level for you, posit some alternatives. Bowden is beyond all of my normie friends, despite my best efforts. I want you to suggest somebody more intellectually complex that can also appeal to the masses better than Bowden.
Facts and statistics are great but without the proper perspective and moral framework to view them through, most people will just be frightened and slide back down into the center-left position. You can't just throw infographics at the masses and expect them to understand. They need a new lens to view them in, but Bowden's is "quasi-Nietzschean" (that sounds dumb!) so it's no good, right? Fuck off.

Milo of course :^)

He probably wants OP to paste the whole lecture here so he can see if it's worth listening to.

Mishima was an actual fudge-packing faggot. I have no idea what you people see in him.

sage.

some of them went deeper into the esoteric arts to battle the jew on the etherial plane

Neo-Holla Forums really is shit

Bowden was with the BNP for years, before he was pushed out.
The working class view of them round my end is that they were all football hooligan types. Maybe if Bowden had a more prominent role or even if he and not Griffin went on QT (which was disastrous) things would have been different.

There were rumors that Bowden was a sodomite himself. Given his association with Grindr Greggy and Dicky Spencer, it's definitely possible.

In one performance of 'My friend Hitler' Mishima himself played Adolf Hitler. He was truly honurary

Sasuga

Nice

Mishima was pretty fucking hard gay to be completely honest, he fucked men and visited gay bars.

Not that the SS wasn't full of faggots either. As long as it doesn't get in the way of the ideology and become normalized I don't really care to be honest.

But was only created because some anons came across speeches like bowden's to formulate their worldview.

japan hates this guy

I wouldn't quite say "hate," but he is sort of a black sheep in Japan. I think they tend to focus on his earlier work before he got into political action; even the leftists he loathed can stomach Confessions of a Mask. Seeing as his death was ostensibly the last gasp of the samurai spirit, there really should be no "danger" in promoting the study of his vitalist, nationalistic later works.

One of the very few gays I respect.

Interesting anti-shariablue bump.

Faggot detected.
Enjoy your GRIDS you disgusting turd burglar.

The dominance of the left among the intelligentsia is, I think, an extension of their political power, rather than a result of a abundance of leftist intellectuals. Academics are entirely at the mercy of patrons, and without patrons the logistics of gaining platforms to speak cannot be managed. This is why free market poselytes are much more well known than, say, monarchists, traditionalists or actual national socialists within the academic/think-tank circuit. The priesthood of the market as a metaphysical font of prosperity and good serve the interests of land-owning oligarchs who benefit from "free trade" agreements and lax immigration through labor wage arbitrage. Therefore, these people are inclined to donate to academics who shill for these things.

Noam Chomsky (a communist Jew) very astutely identifies the intelligentsia/academia for what it really is. The "think tanks" aren't independently minded braniacs who drive policy so much as they are paid shills for oligarch donors who benefit from the policies they justify with their so-called research. It's pretty intuitive when you stop to consider how think tanks, advocacy groups and public interest lawfirms operate. If what they advocate is of no financial benefit to donors (the only metric of value in our hyper-materialistic society), then why would donors give them the funds they need to operate? Lawyers have to pay rent. Public speakers have to eat. If they don't sell a product directly, then they must do so indirectly. The likelihood that the executive/investor class (and our economy does not select for integrity) would part with their wealth out of a sense of moral conviction so that an academic might advocate for social changes which financially harm these executive/investors is negligible.

There's basically no getting away from this. Radical ideology is not appealing to calm, straight and normal people. If you get that deep into the weeds that you're hosting public speaking events about esoteric traditionalism, then you've probably got some kooky behavior and antisocial attitudes. Being a faggot is basically a manifestation of these problems. Straight, sane, normal people will try to adapt to a fucked up society rather than redirect it.

This is why bizarre misfits on a Taiwanese Caligraphy board are the pioneers of new cultural mores for the normies.

Japan evolved from rigid feudalism and iconic warrior-elites to magic-girl comics and cuddle cafes. I have no faith in the judgement of the common Japanese.

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so much this. populist propaganda is essential, but we need to step up the game and have a solid intelligentsia (with the likes of mishima and julius evola)

I agree with this.

Both have benefited me greatly, and I use the momentum they helped me achieve to benefit others. Let's meet up somewhere, so we can compare the results your actions and outlook have had on your body, mind and lifestyle with mine, and then I will take you apart.

Good to see Bowden is more popular here.

I genuinely thought he was almost completely ignored on Holla Forums. Although fullpol is far more radical than halfpol.

No, he says that the attempt to grow multiculturalism came from the anti-cultural movement in a belief that if the races of the world were mixed together, there would be no more war.

I think you are missing the important factor here. Why do you think the media spends so much time associating the far right with the working class and hooligan groups?

They never want to acknowledge intellectual or well trained right wing positions to the right of Ron Paul in the US or to the right of Boris Johnson in the UK. It is a Terra incognito, something beyond them mentally and conceptually. We have the popular fury and rage, but we lack an intellectual elite who can back it with digestible theory for the educated layman to preach and the masses to understand. We have 3000 years of European History to draw on, the endless myths and legends of our people to dream.

The entire point of Holla Forums is to give the leaders of tomorrow the guidance they need to find the lost culture, racial consciousness and direct to lead our people. They are yearning for us to come forward and we need to train ourselves mentally, spiritually and physically for the future struggle.

Excellent post, user

And who's fault do you think that is?

I don't think it's wise to praise Mishima too much, considering that on top of being an insane homosexual he was also viciously anti-white. Like all real people, he had good and bad qualities, just keep them in perspective is all I'm saying.

Why should I care what some gook has had to say? And keep it under 100 words

stop being a fucking 10 year old.

also

If you've never heard of Mishima and you need someone to "sell" him to you the only one losing out is your own ignorant ass.

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I have a weird, controversial theory:

1. White people seek harmony and thus the approval of others (i.e. other races)
2. White people deluded themselves into believing that other races won't approve of any white identity
3. This is literally the basis for liberal thinking (baizuo, as they're called by the Chinese)
4. The only way to convince whites of their own White Identity is by making them believe that other races approve of it

Sounds autistic, but I think it's closest to the truth

what?

It's true. He was bisexual.
But it's interesting because he rebelled against his homosexuals inclination, against his weak and ill body.
He was not going to be a traditionalist naturally, but he forced himself and became one trough willpower.

No it's not. Shame for the dubs.

Trudeau would like this guy.

He really is the son of Fidel…

You need to read sun and steel. It changed me and my perception of myself and how to approach life. I train often now and look at difficult hardship not as woe is me but as something to be triumphed over. It's a very good book.

Literally wrote a play called "my friend Hitler"

Only weak idiots hate him.

I don't know whether you're actually a kike or not but it doesn't matter. Your philosophy is that of a kike and doesn't fundamentally differ from the degenerate, jew-engineered perspective that brought down western civilization.

Used to know a girl who was of this lineage. If I'd had my shit together at the time we'd be married now. I miss you Sarcastica.