Why should we even bother with a Revolution?, When has a Revolution achieved the change needed...

There is no reason to discount violent or political revolution.

Name me one time there was no violence during a general strike.

You're right, we need another revolution that ends up with a neoliberal shithole after discrediting socialism.

SocDem countries are falling apart now that they don't have to worry about socialist uprisings and invasion. They were only there as incentives to stop first world working class populations from revolting. Now that there is no threat all the SocDem policies are going away and first world class conciousness is rising.

Also consider that it is not the socdem policies that make the socdem countries so great, it is their imperialism of the rest of the world that generates large wealth.

Violence is the last option but that doesn't rule out revolution. Remember that the Chinese did not kill all the business owners. They payed them for their businesses.

because its fucking boring, politics and economics are fucking boring

thats none of my buisness, I don't care how are you going to achieve it, thats not the lumpen struggle

You must do it because you chose to put yourself in that position, if you don't succeed, the lumpen force should remove you from the charge and put someone capable in place

We should care if its labeled socialist, capitalist or monarchism, what we want is a free'd society, a society that requires no human suffering to work

yet here we are, in the exact same place as the inital conditions of those revolutions

Disgusting.

The chinese and russian revolutions may have eventually lead to failure but they still did wonders for socialist thought and gave us examples of what not to do. Without them as examples anything we did would create those messes. Now that they did it we can avoid the mistakes.

no we are not in feudalism. no we are not in slavery. no we are not in primitive communism. we are in capitalism - proving that they were successful.

we lumpens are still in the same place, they didn't solve anything

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Every major reform came on the back of strikes and riots. Voting didn't bring any of these reforms. We got these reforms because the ruling class feared communist revolution would happen otherwise. What reformists have actually done is betray workers and prop up fascist regimes time and time again.

This.

Jesus Christ, hello reddit.

Socialism doesn't work because it relies on the state to mete out supplies as it owns the means of production, not the workers. This is a bad thing because bureacracy is a nightmare. The existence of a state beyond the first two months after a successful revolution is a sign of a failed attempt at communism, as it is doomed to fall into statism, or even worse, fascism.

Under communism, the means of production are all held by the community, and the product of labor is enjoyed by the community. People from other communities can commission products and services from other communities, so it is not the same thing as isolated tribalism. There is no centralized government and no market to drive supply and demand, and as a result a post-scarcity economy is achieved.

Just because you're not smart on economics and politics doesn't mean you cannot contribute to the community. It also doesn't mean you can't get educated on these subjects if you want to. I myself have never read a single book on communism or socialism (I plan on changing that when I get enough free time), but I understand what I do because I soaked up the information over time from Holla Forums.

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Generally agree except on the bureaucracy part. Bureaucracy is the foundation of civilization as we know it. We could have never achieved civilization of this scale without it.

Why the fuck are liberal democrats suddenly all over my board? Reformism takes too long, and I am not getting any younger. I want to see the downfall of capitalism before I become old, so I can know what it is like to be my own master and benefit directly from my own labor, instead of waiting for some far away corporation to trickle down a scrap from their table.

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Well that explains everything.

So, you want to risk you're life and the life of everyone you care about for the slim chance that Communism happens? Why not play it safe and patiently letting it happen.
If Accelerationism comes about, then I will help, but I'm not going to risk everything just for the slim chance that I live and see a Communist state.

fucking spooks

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I don't know whether to stroke my ego or demand my property back tbh

you underestimate just how bad some of us are getting fucked. just because you live a comfortable life does not mean there are not millions of people with crippling mental illnesses and poverty + physical illness due to capitalism. These kinds of people will revolt whether or not we are there to lead them eventually.

Yeah, let's just go with reformism. I'm sure this will totally not backfire.

You mean my property

and what makes you think they will revolt? they don't know how to revolt, how to do after the revolution and so on, they haven't done it and probably won't, the only solution is individual action, demanding porky to stop fucking with them with radical violence

I never claimed to be for reformism, stay spooked son

Yes. The world is sliding towards the right and fascism, and all low effort attempts at slowly etching out tiny amounts of reform is not worth it. I am dying anyways, as we all are. I would rather take a stand against my oppression than mutter and grumble all the way to the firing squad wall. I would rather make a break for freedom than chip away at my chains over years, especially when they can just renew my chains any time they please.

It takes bravery.

It takes courage.

It takes risk.

But the prize is so worth it, life without obtaining it is so unbearable.

The true revolution is not about hearing the lament of the establishment, or wrecking the houses of exploitation.
It's about self-empowerment, personal independence in all realms. It's about becoming Nietzsche's Übermensch, rather than wait for others to become our saviors.
No leader or state will give us our worker paradise. It's only through our own sweat and toil that it will be made.

Yeah that works great in a police state, I'm sure going on a one man killing spree will go well.

Make no mistake, Fascism and the right are at their weakest this moment.
Although they have won this time, Trump and Brexit are not far-right reaches, but rather the people expressing their disgust with the corruption in our democracy.
But give it time, and watch as the country leans towards Liberalism, then Socialism, and then Communism.

Liberals are too easily bought off and the socialist state won't work because it's authoritarian, regulated and relies on capitalism.

Give me Communism or give me death, to paraphrase another revolutionary.

The only problem with full on Communism in the US is that capitalism and democracy is so fucking hardcoded into the government by the founding fathers. Most other nations have relatively convenient power structures set up that don't stop people from controlling these things so much. Liberalism has already been here for a long time, and Socialism has penetrated many aspects of the governance already, but Communism is a bit of a stretch.

please try it

I agree with you, but I think that by either Democratic means, or by Capitalism inventing itself out of existence through large scale automation, the US will eventually have to become Communist, or inevitably descend into chaos, and then become reborn a Communist nation.

This might be the worst thread I've ever seen on Holla Forums.