Ancient Aryans and Europeans

Can we get an Ancient Aryans thread going? I'd like to collect together everything we know to demonstrate that Hitler was 100% right about them and how we ARE them.

Also, given what is known about the Corded Ware culture (directly descended from the Yamnaya Aryans), the designation "Slav" seems like bullshit.

nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7555/full/nature14317.html?foxtrotcallback=true

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sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/thousands-horsemen-may-have-swept-bronze-age-europe-transforming-local-population
phys.org/news/2017-04-steppe-migrant-thugs-pacified-stone.html
ancient.eu/hittite/
m.phys.org/news/2015-06-ancient-dna-reveals-europeans-skin.html
sci-hub.io/10.1038/nature14317
thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/how-genetics-is-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate/article19090301.ece
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sciencenordic.com/dna-links-native-americans-europeans
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amren.com/news/2013/09/how-did-blonde-whites-arrive-in-peru-before-columbus/
reuters.com/article/us-peru-archaeology/pre-incan-female-wari-mummy-unearthed-in-peru-idUSN2636587520080826
archive.org/details/thorheyerdahlaku037009mbp
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americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/thank_a_white_male.html
thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/09/civilization-powered-by-the-west-threatened-by-the-rest/
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sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170202122800.htm
archive.fo/zik25
telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/
newscientist.com/article/dn17225-were-our-earliest-hominid-ancestors-european/
phys.org/news/2016-04-radio-carbon-chauvet-pont-darc-cave-art.html
theepochtimes.com/n3/1954176-advanced-science-found-on-2300-year-old-babylonian-tablets/
archive.is/J9ukb
biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians
youtu.be/2Y3IV1gUMtQ?t=2919
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sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/olb22.htm
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academic.oup.com/mbe/article/20/2/214/1003271/Reconstructing-the-Evolutionary-History-of-China-A
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genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/phenotype-snps-for-minoans-and-mycenaeans/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/07/31/phenotype-snps-from-bronze-age-lebanon/
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journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003912
youtube.com/watch?v=oOyabADvjAY
scientificamerican.com/article/the-fossil-fallacy/
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sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle
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That this highly technical level of discussion isn't getting replies doesn't surprise me. OP you're a credit to the board. Bumping for now, will participate with info soon.

Bumping for interest

Quest for the Lost Civilization
youtube.com/watch?v=T5DNvYMtkyk

All evidence seems to point to the Caucasus Mountains as the point of origin for the white race. One group went South into Anatolia and even further south into Egypt.

Another went North and formed into a herding Steppe culture that invented the wheel, the chariot, and metallurgy.

I don't have concrete evidence to back these up, but I would like to, which is why I made this thread.

It seems that the Yamnaya were the predecessors to the Sintashta, Corded Ware (proto-Germanics, proto-Balts) and they greatly affected the European gene pool.

sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/thousands-horsemen-may-have-swept-bronze-age-europe-transforming-local-population

What about the funnel beaker culture that preceded the corded ware culture? I'm unsure if the IE are the reason we are who we are given that India was also invaded by PIE and they're not like us in the slightest.

phys.org/news/2017-04-steppe-migrant-thugs-pacified-stone.html

Well, there is also a strong possibility that Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia also spoke a PIE language and were responsible for Funnelbeaker.

ancient.eu/hittite/

Any info on Funnelbeaker?

requesting a shop of Himmler over the ancient aliens guy

One of the interesting things about Funnelbeaker is that it coincides nicely with the domestication of the cow and is thought that the genes for lactose tolerance came from them. Lactose tolerance is one of the defining traits of the European phenotype - though there are outliers outside of Europe.

You're gonna be pissed. Supposedly they were 90% lactose intolerant.

m.phys.org/news/2015-06-ancient-dna-reveals-europeans-skin.html

That story sounds like something straight out of Genesis 9/10.

No, not really. We come from a few groups or tribes and from these ancestors and the climate they lived in we sprang. Whether it comes from one or the other is of little consequence. Knowing our ancestry and what it has given us is the key to our future success, and the more we know and share the better prepared we will be.

I got your back
Finally someone who knows about this, let us improve the thread.

It's the Genetic Table of every Race on Earth. From this study here:

There's more.
To read the Genetic Table:
I reads like a "timeline" of sorts, but it's not one.

I'm posting more images of Admixture.

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looks more like dick cutters really

From David Anthony's book, it shows each and every place and peoples that the Indo-Europeans (Aryans) went/were.
An image file of the Genetic Distance between Caucasoids.

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Posting Maps of the Ancient History of Eurasia.
Colorful cultures are related to Indo-Europeans, being them conquered or conquerors
Grey, specially in the Middle East, are Sumerian, Egyptian and Semitic cultures such as Akkad, Assyria and the Arabs

01 - Upper Paleolithic (-50000 to -10000)

I'm posting one by one due to 8ch's file size limits.
02 - Mesolithic (-10000 to -5000)

03 - Neolithic (-5000 to -4000)

04 - Eneolithic (-4000 to -3000)

05 - Early Copper Age (-3100 to -2600)
Here the Yamnaya and Corded Ware appears. They're credited for the first waves of Indo-European expansions, carrying R1b first with the Yamnaya and R1a later with the Corded Ware.
It's not known if they're the first Indo-Europeans, but they certainly were the most important and diffusive.

06 - Late Copper Age (-2600 to -2250)

Forgot the map.
06 - Late Copper Age (-2600 to -2250)

good thread

07 - Early Bronze Age (-2250 to -1750)
The beginning of the Bronze Age was truly one of the Aryan golden ages. They expanded as far as the Altai Mountains in Mongolia, where they would mix, conquering/being conquered by Mongoloids - these people would become the proto-Turks.
Central Asia at this time will become purely European, with people genetically similar to the British/Nordics, they're called Steppe_MLBA.
The Andronovo culture is where Persians and Aryans from India will come from.

08 - Middle Bronze Age (-1750 to -1250)
Forgot to say last time:
The Unetice Culture
Are the Proto-Italics and Proto-Celtics, the people who would found Rome and that would create the Celtic/Gaulish commonwealth.
The Easternmost Aryans
Who became the Proto-Turks were historically called East Scythians and Sakai.

We're partly them. Europeans are a mix of Yamnaya, early European Farmers, and western Hunter Gatherers. These three groups are present in all ethnic Europeans to varying degrees depending the region.

09 - Late Bronze Age (-1250 to -750)
Tarim Basin
Are the Tocharians, you guys are already familiar with them. Today, that place is China, the Xinjiang province, with a heavily mixed people.
Quick note: West Scythians didn't have Mongoloid admixture.

10 - Iron Age (-750 to -250)
Totally forgot to say last time:
08 and 09 were when the Persians and Aryans of India started building Empires

11 - Classical Antiquity (-250 to 250)

12 - Antiquity (250 to 750)
It quite doesn't show in this map, but shows in the next one:
Around the year 600, shit started to happen all over the Aryan world:

Next map is the last one.

Dynasty and it occurred around the 600 too.
13 - Medieval (750 to 1300)
Everything is lost, thousands of years of Aryans creating now give place to other peoples destroying.
Mongolians of the Khan invade Central Asia further now.

That's it from me guys, I posted a lot.
Remember: Death by Immigration already happened in the past, we don't need to speculate what will happen to our Countries.
It already happened

We have lost our history (I blame Christianity, the Middle Ages, and the Semitic Bible pseudo-history) and only now we're recovering it.
Awake people around you, tell them about History and Genetics.

Other way around. You become human once you mix with Neanderthals. (blacks arent human)

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theres a webm of the the modern day practice floating around here gore-ish
its a circumcision practice for the priest class at ~13yo
left is taking it like alil bitch
right is how you should take it, with no show of pain and in control

india but no aksum?

Quality thread OP, it's good to see your kind haven't completely abandoned this place. Have a bump for seeking the path of light in truth.

It is my dream to reclaim all the areas that were formerly white

Same problem i run into in my threads. Of course i effortpost as opposed to throwing out undefined technical terms and expecting people to understand them sans explanation. Try harder next time faggot

It's a corruption of the term Slavs use to describe themselves, Slav as in Slavic.

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Weren't the vedic indians more similar to europeans?

Good thread OP.

Next time use sci-hub for bypassing (((paywalls))), not everybody can't afford to pay for scientific papers.

sci-hub.io/10.1038/nature14317

Research doggerland. Now underwater. Once the richest land in the world. I believe this is where the atlantis myth came from. Aryans had been building civilizations untill the flood. Then they emigrated built the pyramids of egypt and founded the kingdom of egypt. At the same time they built the machupichu pyramids and the ones in north west asia. Every thing we learn in school are lies. You should know that by now if youve been here long enough.

Nice contribution.

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One possible placement of the Garden of Eden, "Paradise" has it near the Caucasus Mountains, where whites we mostly shielded from the worst stages of the Ice Age

The Upper Castes were Iranic (descendants of the Yamnaya), so yes.

thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/how-genetics-is-settling-the-aryan-migration-debate/article19090301.ece

From Pan-white to Pan-Aryan? This has possibilities that even our Führer considered

But it sounds too similar to Dugin's Eurasianism.

Thanks for the contributions. There's a lot here to digest and use against (((Schlomo))) and his golems

What a lot of people don't realize is that the Proto-Europeans were of much better quality than we are today. Modern europeans are all mixed to a certain degree and hybridized due to agriculture, civilization and so on. This isn't a very useful information to propagate, it should be left only to those who seek it, as it may cause confusion, but it's very hard to find an entirely aboriginal individual, of any race. Niggers, for instance, are only about 50% black, as there was heavy migrations of Europeans into Africa during the Ice Ages, as far as Somalia, subjugating the local peoples (just google "The Niggest" to have an idea of what I'm talking about).

Now Proto-Europeans were ALL blonde and blue eyed, with bigger and slightly different frames. They were reported to have a much better memory, learning their traditions, including pyramid and menhir building merely by songs and poetry, and being able to hunt by WRESTLING with animals. To corroborate what I say here, just look at ancient descriptions of Gauls, Thracians, Dacians, Scythians and, most of all, Germanics by the ancient historians, who tell ALL of them had reddish-hair (latin term for Blonde) and "fierce blue eyes".

Yes, even the presence of brown hair in a group is indication of a small degree of admixture - which doesn't mean entirely blonde people aren't also mixed. Irishman are mixed with africans. Slavs with forest and steppe peoples. Southern Europeans with (and this is pre-roman, not due to "muslim invasions") Semites, who are in turn whites mixed with africans and so on. Indians are a mixture of Whites, Africans and Asians. Even Scandinavians are mixed. The deal is, a mixed race person, after 10 generations, only has like 0.003% mixed blood. Europeans are, on general 99% descendents of the proto-europeans, it's just that the little admixture creates the differences between peoples. The very easy distinction between Europeans and mixed Europeans is the Mediterranean, where the Southern Europeans living in Northern Africa and the Middle East factually got mixed with other peoples (but even they are majority white, look at most Syrians. Even the darkest arabs are majority white, although entirely corrupted).

Calling it now: There is a connection between Hermopolis magna and the Hermiones/Irminones. From Publius Cornelius Tacitus:

From kikepedia:
archive.is/gWJoh

The connection, I believe, is the Egyptian deity Wenet. More on that later.

Yamnaya were the Aryan Steppe horsemen that invaded Europe from modern day Russia and Ukraine. Corded Ware is the result of that invasion mixed with the indigenous Neolithic farmer population.

Karl Maria Wiligut and Irminism (Irminschaft)
from kikepedia:
archive.is/khyza

On Wiligut and the Black Sun
Here I would like to note briefly that both Hermopolis magna (Hare Nome), home of Thoth and the center of devotion for the cult of Wenet, as well as Port Aransas, TX sit in alignment of the 27th Parallel North. Additionally, the week of Harvey began with a total solar eclipse over the United States and ended on Sunday the 27th when the floods began in Houston.

More on Harvey, Irma, Wenet and Toth to come.

Is this that Anherbesomething bullshit?
That was a Psyop made by TRS to make Holla Forums believe in bullshit, to make Holla Forums spread false information and to further discredit us as "conspiracy lunatics".
What's been posted in this thread is the truth, backed by new genetic research that started in 2015.

He was onto something because the Corded Ware inherited PIE religion from the Yamnaya. What this means is that they worshiped Tyr above all other gods as the sky god, god of kings, and god of justice and war, from Deiwos. This shamanistic religion also spread to Turks and Mongols as Tengrism.

No, you spilled bullshit and fake information now.

More plz.

rubbish pic

Sure thing. I'm still wrapping my head around it all, and basically just aggregating data ato the moment.


Hurricane Harvey: Appears the Wild Pooka
""You see, science has overcome time and space. Well, Harvey has overcome not only time and space — but any objections.""

(cont.)
endicott-studio.com/articleslist/the-symbolism-of-rabbits-and-hares-ll-by-terri-windling.html
archive.is/LPgDt

Once Revered: Wenet the Swift One
mirrorofisis.freeyellow.com/id599.html
archive.is/xwvDx
( Interesting interplay there between Wenet and Kek. ) (More later.)

Forgot Holda pics related. I'm a faggot.

WEWUZIMHOTEP

I secretly like this song

Do you have that in a better quality?

Your shitty reply proves my point

This maps are gold user, can we have the source?

Very nice, thanks a lot.


Agree, quite catchy.

Here:

It shows that the 30-40k diversification from africa is false, just in the middle east there is ample proof of at least 100k years separation.

No Aryan was ever a steppe horseman. The warrior philosophy is antithetical. A steppe warrior is a coward, attacking from a distance. An Aryan is a hero, preferring the combat up close, man to man.

The real Aryans spoke about these invasions. They were their former brethren who had succumbed to the paganism and race mixing of the Magi priest class (Oy Vey!). The last Aryan stronghold was in Friesland. So pure they considered even the Vikings to be bastards.

Hey OP.

It's not called "ancient aryans". It's called proto-europeans.

bbc.com/news/science-environment-29213892
The "Mysterious population" is the "Aryans".
Scandinavians kept the features of the "blue-eyed hunters", south-european people like Sardinians are almost pure breed "brown-eyed farmers".

to which I might add :
"Nords = Aryans" myth BTFO.

the typical blue-eyed "WE WUZ KANGS" snow nigger bullshit.

That's not how genetics work Shlomo.
Your opposition to Nords being Aryan exposes you as a med shitskin, at the very least. If not a full blown kike.

what dark skin?
you can find shitskins with blue eyes and caucasian features in India though.

Swarthy means dark. Scandi's are not swarthy. Nor is any other majority blue eyed population. Blue eyes coming from some proto dark skinned race is a bunk theory.

pale skin doesn't seem to mean much to me tbh.
asians have the palest skin, and any people living in darkness half the year who have their melanin drop like this

Well, he did say in his table talks that using the term "race" for Jews is only for practical uses or something similar. Would you stand by that thought today?

The third mysterious population maybe had blue/green eyes too anyway, maybe also the unique redhaired features.
t. red bearded celt ubermensch

med shitskins that had created civilization and colonized half the world while you were crawling in caves. i'm fine with that half-med part of me.

That pic is correct for semites only. Semites are Homo Sapiens/Homo Neanderthal hybrids.
Your post is jewish propaganda.

I'm writing a book on the subject, let me say this, the kikes started an organised, planned genocide of ~20.000 norse/germanic ppl in the early 1600.
POWERS GRANTED, Moses, East India Co.

archived thread at…
archive.is/5EB9P

It should when (((scientists))) try to convince you your ancestors were shitskins.


In other words they don't know shit, and it's sure just a coincidence they are pushing a race mixing agenda as a result of it.


Thanks for taking the bait and exposing yourself as an ignorant wop. Your language, technology and government all come from Aryans. Caves? You don't know wtf you're talking about. When Italians were still fucking goats Aryans were sailing the oceans and spreading high culture all around the world. Roman "civilization" (theft and murder) was just a degenerate version of it.

I always find it funny when stupid shitskins use the term "snownigger", you do know that literally something like 90% of all technological innovation has been by northern Europeans, right?

you mean northern like the romans?
time to read the unabomber manifesto anyway

I'm really interested in learning more about the Solutreans and other white tribal groups that populated North and South America before being invaded by the red-skinned mongols that came over on the land bridge.

I'd post an archive link to a thread we had about them back in 2015 but I'm not at my main computer.

Do you find it as hard to believe as I do that white were wiped out by redskins?

Tread carefully around these mediterranean allies.
They believe in an alternative reality Alaric didn't sack rome, and mediterraneans are still living gods with one foot in north africa and one in europe where they subject these so called snowniggers.
Look towards east, we find more in common with the slavs than these perfidious butthurt meds.

paler than nords and celts?

KENINGEN

hint hint
Germanics & Slavs are both quite similar
eupedia.com/forum/threads/34432-Nikola-Tesla-was-not-I2a-but-R1a
Germano-slavic subclade too.

I don't think it's as simple as complete eradication but the redskin incursion is easily the main factor. The other part is that Redskins and their various incarnations could not have possibly created even the most primitive civilizations that lived in North & South America. That alone and even aside from the lost and suppressed information on white tribal groups that existed is enough to show that the structures and surviving developments in different parts of N&S America was created by whites and later poorly emulated by redskins. My gut feeling is that the beheadings the aztecs performed wasn't originally just for show.

Lastly, some redskin legends specifically mention that the whites they hailed as gods, "departed," and this fits in with the stories of european colonists and explorers being hailed as the old gods returning. What this means is that instead of just looking for instances where whites from the east discovered the americas, we should be looking for instances where white tribes left the americas and perhaps integrated with parts of europe and maybe even went elsewhere.

Love a good old ancient Aryan thread. Not a smart guy, so won't be posting much in regards to facts, studies.

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It's B.C.

NEVER RACEMIX

(check)
Ignorant bullshit. Ever heard of the Scyths, Sauramathae, Alans etc.? Step your game up.


Partially yes, but careful - a lot of those stories are Jesuit inculturation myths, i.e. deliberate attempts of rewriting local history to ease Christian missionary efforts.

why stop there? the entire earth should be claimed by the white man

Here's their art, btw.

Jingoism will not save the white race.

You're really not aware of what you're saying.

what? why is having the earth be populated by only white people (this is jingoism according to you?) something that "will not save the white race"? why did you feel the need to say that? by the time we are able to actually get around to doing that type of thing the white race will have already been "saved" for the most part.
if you're in a position to 'reclaim areas that were formerly white', then surely you would also be in a position to manifest destiny entirely, right? this is what i meant with my previous post

You're really not aware of tactical reality.

so we shouldnt manifest destiny because of tactical reality? what are you people trying to say? what's your point?

msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/anglo-saxon-eye-remedy-kills-deadly-superbug/ar-AAafOS7?ocid=ansibt11

archive.is/s5C9X

independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html

sciencenordic.com/dna-links-native-americans-europeans

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091550/Ancient-city-discovered-deep-Amazonian-rainforest-linked-legendary-white-skinned-Cloud-People-Peru.html

vimeo.com/469513

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

spiegel.de/international/dna-analysis-shows-native-americans-had-european-roots-a-954675.html

amren.com/news/2013/09/how-did-blonde-whites-arrive-in-peru-before-columbus/

reuters.com/article/us-peru-archaeology/pre-incan-female-wari-mummy-unearthed-in-peru-idUSN2636587520080826

archive.org/details/thorheyerdahlaku037009mbp

Actually, look here:

The first image.
It shows a timeline of what happened.
The Yamnaya and Steppe_EMBA are clearly different, but their expansions were small - Corded Ware expansions were big, and their descendent founded civilisations:
Look how similar they were:
Scandinavia_LNBA (Late Neolithic to Broze Age)
Scandinavia_LBA (Late Bronze Age)
Central Europe CWC (Corded Ware
Steppe_MLBA (Middle Late Bronze Age, the Aryans of India, the Persians, the Scythians and so on)

They all cluster together.
For instance, see this phenotype table:

Do you want to live in the middle of the syrian desert, for example? I surely dont. We are better off leaving these shitty lands to their current inhabitants than occupying it.

Only WHG (Western Hunter Gatherers) had dark skin, and it was brownish, like a Mestizo, not black.
SHG (Scandinavia Hunter Gatherers) and EHG (Eastern Hunter Gatherers) all had light skin already and blonde hair.
SHG had blue eyes, EHG not.

Thousands of years ago, in their times, these places were not deserts, but greenery similar to the most Siberian steppes.
The world has been drying up ever since, the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia being the most affected.

ok then we can just kill them and no white people have to go live there if they dont want to. there, now we're both happy.


this process can be halted or even reversed in many places. it is also caused many times by subhumans not understanding the earth and being bad for the land.

Japs get to own China. In fact, China ought to be split into thirds with Japan, Mongolia, and Tibet getting a healthy portion each. Persia is White so therefore they should rule the Middle East, and perhaps North Africa too if we don't rebuild Egypt in the name of the Ogdoad. sub-Saharan Africa should be divided in two, with bantus in the northern half, bushmen in the south, and the fertile, resource rich patch colonized.

If somehow we need more resources, outer space will provide. Agriculture would be plenty enough with the lands we currently own plus the Africa colony.

In the center dividing the two*

telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11620885/Dogs-have-been-mans-best-friend-for-40000-years.html

archive.is/zkcEQ

news.softpedia.com/news/Mummies-Proves-it-Once-China-Was-Inhabited-by-White-People-43301.shtml

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3330186/Columbus-did-NOT-bring-syphilis-Europe-Disease-remains-child-died-170-years-voyage-America.html

mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/the-mysterious-european-mummies-of-china/

news.ku.dk/all_news/2008/blue-eyes/

archive.is/0FNWk

archive.is/NxhCQ

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

history.com/news/history-lists/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-genghis-khan

archive.is/Zj4bP

archive.is/eQgK5

journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003316

The "Whites" of China are still there, and they're Muslim pieces of trash.

i strongly disagree
and what about america; should we give the southern states to niggers and the western states to the spics? should canada have a piece taken out for chinks? jews get to keep isreal too i would presume. it's all about resources anyways so we can just go lmao mine some asteroids if we have any problems.
your suggestions almost gave me an aneurysm

They're half-Chinese already, DNA wise.

Well I mean, bantus are a fairly ancient bloodline so keeping them around would be for ecological study, like preserving Chimps. Bushmen are even older and they actively proved their worth when they assisted Rhodesia against the tide of Communism. I didn't say we should concede lands, in fact I said the lands we currently own would provide agriculture, so we should hold onto them.

They're the enemy of all Mankind. Everyone has been made worse off because of them.

ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/new-research-shows-some-ancient-egyptians-were-naturally-fair-haired-005812

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II

archive.is/LREiP

americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/thank_a_white_male.html

www.dailyexaminer.com.au/news/dna-shows-gentlemen-do-prefer-blondes/3113930/

thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/09/civilization-powered-by-the-west-threatened-by-the-rest/

wikiislam.net/wiki/How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170202122800.htm

archive.fo/zik25

telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/

newscientist.com/article/dn17225-were-our-earliest-hominid-ancestors-european/

phys.org/news/2016-04-radio-carbon-chauvet-pont-darc-cave-art.html

theepochtimes.com/n3/1954176-advanced-science-found-on-2300-year-old-babylonian-tablets/

archive.is/J9ukb

biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/26/142448

Uighurs are Turkic peoples who migrated to China after the Siberian ancestors of the modern Chinese exterminated the whites living there and took over. They are not the same people as the ancient white inhabitants of China, though they did interbreed with related groups as they traveled from the Caucasus to China.

Actually, it was Persia - not Europe - that fueled the Islamic Golden Age. They were building on ideas that came from Greek texts before Islam was a thing.

But if all of this is true, then surely whitey will eventually awaken and free himself from the creeping kike genocide, right? I mean it's impossible to reconcile that vast of a superior history with the idea that whitey can just be propagandises into self-destruction.

Unless of course you want to buy into some religious or quasi religious worldview in which the jews are an agent of god put on this world to cause great evil so that the resistance of it provides us with an opportunity to reveal the contents of our hearts and ascend to heaven. Or something like that. I mean it's just not explicable without a metaphysical angle how powerful the kikes are.

No, it goes like this:

So that's your belief - that Asians came out of nowhere from Siberia halfway through the Bronze Age?

Specially because Byzantium expelled all of its Greek Scholars and Philosophers because muh christianity, who then fled to Persia themselves.

Ye but even before then. Persia is White but not European is my point, I think you already understand.

Islam has been nothing but a millstone around the neck of civilization. Just like Jews and niggers.

Exactly what I said, but in more detail. Again, you're not correcting anything.

No, that's what DNA and archaeological evidence shows. Modern East Asians, "Native Americans", and many Pacific islanders have a common ancestry originating in Siberia.

The redskins split off from their Siberia ancestors roughly 15,000 years ago when they migrated over the land bridge into North America. East Asians stuck around and expanded west and south into the rest of Asia in the late stone age, early bronze age. They encountered a few other people with common ancestors (such as the Ainu in Japan and southern Siberia), and whites from eastern Europe and intermingled to greater or lesser degrees.

Also, Aryans were fine and good, but too many people harp on the as though they're the only true Europeans. Reminder that there are several pre-Aryan European groups currently in existence.

Mysticism is the reason, aryan sounds better than hunter gatherer.

Ye, I wasn't defending Islam. I should have brought up how damaging Islam was to Persia, but I think that's common sense at this point.

I'm fairly certain that the Celts predated the Aryan invasion, but the Finns and the Basque people are both confirmed pre-Aryan.

More like:

Basques are the purest Neolithic Europeans (Hunter-Gatherers + Farmers)
Sardinians are the purest "Farmers"
Lithuanians are both the purest Aryans and the purest from the Hunter Gatherer times

Saying that, there's nothing pure in them, because they still have ancestry from the other groups.

Hence why I wasn't stupid enough to say the word "pure".

Aryan may be the specific name of a group of Indo-European peoples/languages, but it also became a catch-all term for all prehistoric European peoples who were genuinely European, not merely caucasoid (Turks and Semitic peoples, for example, are caucasians, but they're not whites), primarily in the 19th and early 20th century. As said, mysticism and a romantic portrayal are primarily responsible.


For anyone who ever studied history, yes. There's a reason the Jew-controlled education system doesn't teach this stuff.

Yes, the Celts, Finns, Basques, and a number of other European peoples (including the ancestors of modern day Slavs and Nordic/Germanic peoples) are culturally, linguistically, and genetically distinct from the Aryans.

Except that DNA shows that Europeans are basically identical to their ancestors 50,000 years ago and did NOT mix with Middle Easterners as previously believed.

No, you're a retard.
Finns speak Uralic, which was the language of Eastern European Hunter Gatherers before the Aryans, but their DNA has Aryan DNA too, very much of it in fact. Look at this table:

Finns have 50,4% Yamnaya DNA (and unfortunately, 10,2% Nganasan DNA, which is Siberian Mongoloid)
Basques speak an unknown language - people don't know if it came from Western European Hunter Gatherers or the first Farmers.

Those fuckers are the wet dream of any nationalistic person.

You're retarded. See this:

That often "Blue" component is European Hunter Gatherer, and the "Orange"one is Middle Eastern Farmer.

How is the 10% unfortunate? You got a problem with their noble Finngolian heritage?

That's because, look, you have to understand this:
Neolithic Europeans, EEF, European Farmers, in Iberia, were about 50% Western European Hunter Gatherer and 50% Middle Eastern Farmers.
Basques still retain much of it, but they still have Aryan blood in them, so they're not "Pure Neolithic".
Aryan DNA entered in the Basque population somehow, and in fact, they're 26% "Aryan" even not speaking a Indo-European language.

To be fair, central asia & siberia used to be inhabited by quite white-ish people.

No, but Nganasan is pure-breed Siberian Mongoloid.
Look at this map, try to find them:

Can someone expand on this? Does this imply that the Aryan hare symbolism made its way into egyptian religion? Or the other way around.
Sorry if that's a noob question but I've never read anything about aryan religious symbols before. this stuff Is fascinating.

I'm not an expert in population genetics, but I'm fairly certain that siberia & central asia would've been the origina urheimat of all white people.

Hence why everyone jokes with Finns by calling them Mongols, including Finns themselves. Interestingly, Mongols from Mongolia are irl shitposters and have the same sense of humor as Finns. Not only that, but Mongols love Hitler and the swastika.

It's not pure Aryan blood. Basques only intermixed with stray tribals from the first Roman conquest (Asturians and Cantabrians). Those are impossible to track, since a huge majority of them was completely wiped out in the Iberian conquest. Maybe the 26% comes from them. This is a good read (it's kikepedia, but doesn't seem tainted):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians

Could you please just see their Colours then?
Siberia had a population called ANE (Ancient Northern Eurasians) and EHG (Eastern European Hunter Gatherers have ~5% descent from them)
Yamnaya, the Aryans, in turn have abou 50% EHG DNA.
Central Asia was not the birth place, it was Ukraine.

I agree.

The pontic steppe is in no way a birthplace, they settled there sure.

No, the Kurgan theory has been proved genetically. The studies are very new as they only started in 2015, but that's it, yes.

See these map series
And this one here

I've heard that many geneticists believe that european diversity if eye and hair colour had to come from neanderthals, because that much genetic diversity could not have developed in the 80,000-200,000 years since we left Africa. That much genetic diversoty would take around 1million years to develop.

I know this theory presupposes the put of aFrick theory, but it's still interesting nonetheless.

Alright got it
But I want to believe in esotericism about blond-ism and shit.

You have to understand this:
There were 3 distinct Caucasoid peoples in the beginning

Even if OoA was true, I believe in the power of an Ice Age, and that it would be strong enough to reforge African genetics.

And this is why this information should not be propagated - instant "division" and infighting between brothers over the 1% of differences they have, mostly because they are too insecure to understand they are mixed simply because they do not look like the proto-Europeans. This isn't a taint, when 99% is otherwise. Do something productive.

If you guys look at this table here:

You can see that the World can be divided into Africans and non-Africans, as the K=2 DNA (which is the most generic and Ancient) isn't even the same (Orange vs Light Blue).
The separation happened about 100,000 years ago, and it made sure to change us completely.

About Eye colour and Hair colour, pic related.
I always screen shot useful things from papers.

These genetic differences are real, and were already noticeable without these studies. The challenge is that we have to overcome these differences in a cooperative manner without destroying them altogether.

Who's we, Ahmed? Slavs aren't like you.

I have. Aryan blood, but not Aryans. Even in Herodotus time we have descriptions of their less than Aryan ways. Raids, slavery, paganism. They were racemixers who had fallen sway to foreign influence.

What are you talking about? The Chinese, or to be exact the Huaxia from Longshan to Erlitou culture have been living there longer than the IE people in Xinjiang, Xinjiang didn't even become part of China before the Han Dynasty

The article is wrong, they base them of the Tarim Mummies, yet they lived there 2000 years before the Campaign of Alexander.
But might be correct, they did find Archeological finding of the Emperors tomb did find a prototype statue of the terracotta army, which could in fact be made by a Hellenic artisans
youtu.be/2Y3IV1gUMtQ?t=2919 48:30 52:35
Still no conclusive proof, considering realistic animal statues have been known from the Shang. The First Emperor was the most powerful man ever to rule China, this made it possible to organize huge public projects.

God people are stupid, only thinking in term of modern nation states.

They are half t*rk…

Kek no, The Tang dynasty withdrew its control of Xinjiang and Anxi after the An Lushan Rebellion, after which the area was subjected to Islamification at the hands of Turkic Muslims.
The Han Dynasty was actually allied with Kushan Empire and the Xinjiang City States as Protectorate after liberating them from the Xiognufucks at the hand of the Han Dynasty and later from the T*rkic Khanate by Tang Dynasty

Yes, specifically the Scandinavians, who tend to score high on I2 ancestry. Nordicism ≠ Aryanism.


[Throat-singing intensifies]

In the end, even those are only placeholders, because where did THEY come from?

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This is true.


You can do that, no problem. Aryosophy is the more refined patrician form of plebeyan neo-paganism.

Are those really quintessentially non-Aryan? Not sure about that. Raiding is simply a tactic, slavery was an economic fact of life for all cultures, and speaking of paganism implies promulgating some form of monotheism (muh Abrahamic semitic desert cults).
Also: don't forget hotboxing, smoking insane amounts of weed in sweat lodges.

Perhaps in East-Asia, but e.g. in the Pontic Steppes and Central Asia what did they mix with?

It's complicated.
I made an OC.

The Yamnaya is a mixture of Eastern European Hunter Gatherers of the Sredni Stog/Khvalynsk Culture mixed with Central Hunter Gatherers of the Caucasus, from the Maykop culture and before.

They are immoral and fantastical, so yes, clearly they are. You believe violent plunder and slavery are acceptable ways to live? Not degenerate because 4000BC? And does paganism make sense to you except as a way for (((Priests))) to have influence?

And no, it was not a fact for all cultures. There were tribes in 'Germania' according to the Roman sources who neither practiced slavery nor paganism. Isolated cases even at that time, but the evidence is there.

In the very least they mixed with their slaves. Then with Eastern hordes we know reached as far as Scandinavia. Perhaps not much, but it doesn't take much.

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There's no content you dumb nigger. What the fuck are the colors? Fucking die, nigger bitch faggot!

a9fe4c is a LARP kiddy, ignore him

Teal is Caucasus Hunter Gatherer
Blue is European hunter Gatherer
Orange is Mediterranean Farmer
Bright Green is Dravidian
Yellow is East Asian
Red is Siberian Mongoloid

So basically, since we have so much orange, we're genetically inferior to our ancestors.

This thread has been real good science so far.
Can we not inject this pseudo science in here about some top tier master race of the ancient past?
To say we "are inferior genetically" makes no sense unless you:
A maximum possible human development level exists.
Assume a maximum development level was attained or our ancestors were near at.
All change is degradation and not a mixture of random mutations and selection of the best complete organisms per individual as they reproduce.

Can we not do that for this thread, its a big claim that so far has no proof and in some iterations is unfalsifiable.

THAT is not science, you fucking faggot. Humanity can devolve to become ant-like drones and you'd still claim they'd been selected to be perfect humans.

So you're basically saying race mixing has benefits. You know where to go…

Subtle miscegenation shill.

lol

WE ARE KINGS

Define "Paganism" in this context. "Paganism" means "pre-Christian native faiths" specifically, and "Non-Abrahamic faiths" generally, so unless you've come up with some new nonsensical definition on your own, literally EVERYONE except Jews were "Pagan" - including the Romans.

how so?

where did you pull this from?
the sky is blue, what relevance does this have to the conversation?

I definitely didnt say that
and how come IDB06ac7 replied to my post twice?

bump

An organism evolves around selection pressures, not to some state of "perfection". We could revert to niggers and even toolless apes if the conditions are right. The only way to ensure that humanity evolves along a dignified path is to uphold a standard and suppress those whom do not meet it.

Any belief that takes liberties beyond what we can logically assume. Spirits, fairies and river gods are quite ridiculous concepts. Something you'd expect from a society with little advanced knowledge of any kind, not a civilization spawning master race.

Monotheism keeps it simple. Unity through oneness. Clearly the more advanced and successful religious system when measured against polytheism. The Abrahamic faiths are mere Judaized versions of the original Aryan religion. The Persians and the Germanic tribes practiced monotheism long before the kikes cooked up their fairy tales. Who knows how many other Aryan societies lost to us that did the same.

with the industrial revolution came social engineering amongst other (industrially efficient) abominations.

Someone clearly has not read the works of Plato. Lurk moar.

Why the fuck are all these globalists and miscegenators on Holla Forums? Oh that's right, Christianity.

Prove it. How is a one-size-fits-all simplification in any way superior to an esoteric system which encourages it's adherence to exercise their mind?

if you already know that asians have higher IQs you can also give up on that shit. when you're butthurt that you didn't make the roman empire so you have to LARP being literal descendants of invisible white gods from outer space.
fuck D&C, and fuck that part of the 3rd reich.

Really? I know Persia was Zoroastrian but Germanic monotheism? What we need is a henotheist polytheism, where say a German can choose to worship the Gods of a German pantheon, but will still recognize the Gods of Celtic, Slavic, Norse, Hellenic, etc. pantheons. Monotheism worked for Persia because despite the fact that they worshipped Ahura Mazda, their empire let any person of any religion pray to any Gods at Persian shrines and temples, instead of the (((Abrahamic))) practice that entailed a destruction of all temples, holy books, statues, etc. that were dedicated to Gods other than the (((One G-d)))

I'm just gonna drop this before this thread is saged like all the other esoteric threads.

The Aryan race is extinct, and it is not an ethno particular idea. In fact it didn't even become ethno particular until after Rockwell was assassinated.

Max Muller, the orientalist who created the theory suggested that the Aryans were the Neolithic agrarians who migrated outward from Mesopotamia whilst rivalling the hunter gatherer (((nomadic))) tribes in the area before intermingling.

According to Muller, the Aryans technically spread all over the world, wherever the agrarian lifestyle can be found.

But the interesting thing to note is that the original term "Aryan" just means "noble", and the controversy is that the British thought that the nomadic hordes who came into India were the Aryans, when Zoroaster claimed that the Aryans were there long before, and agrarian societies that had used swastika imagery pre existed the nomadic invasion that is mistaken for the Aryan migration in modern study.

The reality of Aryanism has its roots not in the "white race" or "Europe". It has its origins in the rivalry between Cain and Seth (Set, to the Egyptians).

If you search for the book Goddess Holle, then you will find more information than I could synthesize adequately in a brief message. Pic related, though, is the most relevant clause to the discussion of hares. My belief is that there exists in the mythological record a line to Western Europe from the Ogdoad worshipped at Hermopolis magna specifically with Wenet/Unut appearing as a sort of prototype. Devotions to this sort of deity, however, likely trace back much further (12500 BC).

Wrong.

Correct.

Modern whites match ssians for IQ, we're just lumped in with other non-white caucasoids and often with full blown niggers as well, seriously dragging down our scores vs the more homogeneous asian nations. There was also a time when whites had an average IQ of 115.

???
Christian Identity, is that you?

Great contribution.

Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it.

Just to add to your point the asians also purposely manipulate it to where they only test pre-screened higher IQ people to take the test. They do this with school kids every time the UN goes to test academic achievements. Step outside the major cities in China, and education is usually abysmal.

Meant for

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Aryanism according to Hitler is about ideal humanity, not ideal identity.

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Oh shit, he's mad now.

SAD!

disappointed.
it's kinda faggy to be the smartest of the class.

based niggers shill pls go

Go back to your BBC cuckold porn, faggot…

from what I gather, celts are the most cucked people of Europe. conquered ruthlessly so many times by all others and yet we're still here, banding the shit together.

That's one of the reasons why high school is sort of a joke, a great deal of those brown nosers in class often go on to lead middle management lives. Just look at the chinks who score the highest on the gaokao, China's SAT. Many of them go on to lead very plain and unexceptional lives.

I guess Leni Riefenstahl, Joseph Goebbels, and ultimately Adolf Hitler himself were all shills then too for having approved of the propaganda film Olympia, where Jesse Owens is depicted as the hero, and thus the ideal.

What do people itt think of Graham Hancock's pre-ice-age civilization ideas? I thought he made really good points about the extremely ancient megaliths, etc. seeming to point to forgotten ancient civilizations and also the relationship between the processional cycle of the stars and the yuga cycles seemed impressive to me but I am a layman.

But then I find that he became obsessed with DMT, and that makes me wonder if he is intentional disinfo to obscure the facts. Also his wife is non-white, that might mean nothing but I wonder.

If you're trying to justify letting niggers be citizens of your country because Hitler was interested in promoting NatSoc to other races I want to hear the logic behind it and I want you to show me one nigger who was an NSDAP citizen.
Every NatSoc ever including Hitler was 100% for racial separatism, stop falling for le nazi diversity :DD meme

IQ is irrelevant. Chinese test high, yet their form of intelligence is blatantly, objectively, and indisputably inferior in regards to innovation, societal growth, and technological development. They're ant people. The whole "give an asian a hammer and he'll make more hammers" meme fits perfects. There's different forms of intelligence, and again, indisputably Europeans have a unique intelligence that is perfectly suited to societal growth, technological development etc. Holla Forumss beloved anime creators–slant-eyes–are also indisputably inferior. Jews are indisputably inferior, no matter how many generations go by and no matter how much of their horrid genetics they dilute with stolen European genetics through what appears to be hereditary, instinctual whoredom. Our intelligence is unique. Our ability to solve complex problems with unorthodox solutions is unique to us. IQ is irrelevant. Historical accomplishment is a testament to the superiority of our form of intelligence. IQ is a good measure of who best to stick in a dead-end factory job as a modern day slave. Although this doesn't mean they perform the job well. Chinks may be good ant peoples, loyal and organized, but they're dumb; they lack morals, pride, and empathy/humanity; they can't solve problems etc. Niggers are just an all around failure, offering not a single beneficial form of intelligence toward the advancement of our civilization.

You're just a bunch of anti-whites actually, more pivoted towards north africa, that's not d&c it's recognizing your enemies from within.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Italianism
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Italians are White. Period.

You're putting words in his mouth. Where did he advocate citizenship?

Then you must love what's happening in Sweden, France, Minnesota etc. right now. Negros are apparently the ideals, so it's "eugenics" to spread that black seed to all those inferior white females. You're a fucking moron and a shill. No one believed a nigger was the ideal human. You're claiming Hitler thought German peoples were inferior to a nigger and expecting me to believe you. No one buys your shit. You're clearly either a kike, a nigger, or /salt-left/ shit-posting.

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The education system exist to teach conformity to the establishment and rewards those whom are the most obedient.

The fact that the narrator in the film congratulates Owens as the gold medal winner for America, and not black people is enough to offer the perspectives held at the time. Again, Hitler would have been required to approve of this film.

There are nobles and ignobles of every race. Jesse Owens was an individual, depicted as ideal in a literal Nazi film and that rests my case.

He became obsessed with DMT and a couple of other hallucinogens because they actually do have the power to provide the user with insights on how to solve a problem or point out a problem in the person's life that they are either completely ignorant of or are refusing to deal with. He probably also uses it because he read about select groups of people in ancient cultures using these drugs in ceremonies, so he thinks he can become one of them by imbibing the same stuff.

Have no idea why he married THAT lady though.

Wouldn't want a single one of them in my ethnostate.
Can't risk it knowing what type of an antifa/commie stronghold that place is, then you have terrone eggplants who are your stereotypical loud and obnoxious guys.

Oh, also, the "ideal" human is one whose intelligence is best suited to the advancement of humanity. That is the European mind. A negro performing well in a sport is not, nor will it ever be a form of "ideal." I can find you a 100 animal species faster than that negro that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag. Are they "ideal" as well? Intelligence is ideal, and the unique form of intelligence that allows for philosophical, social, technological etc. growth is the ideal form of intelligence, and no one surpasses European peoples in this. Only Europeans are ideal.

Exactly. When Hitler came to power he sterilized the mulattoes in Germany. No one wants their people to look like Obama.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard

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Read you brain-dead rat shill.

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Exactly. That's why those who demonstrate absolute obedience in classrooms and in the workplace make great managers, they are intelligent enough to keep people below them in line but not enough to rise to the same positions of those in upper management positions, which usually requires a mix of great organizational skills and an amazing ability to think abstractly.

Malcolm X was intelligent, and George Lincoln Rockwell compared him to Hitler himself.

Intelligence levels have more variety between individuals than entire groups.

anti-Italian is D&C against Whites as a whole.

The mutt negro with European DNA was well-spoken and therefore he has form of intelligence that rivals the builders of modern civilization and our way of life. Sure thing, you rat fucking shill scum.
You are a fucking idiot. My god you are a fucking idiot. You literally believe in equality. You are going to all the lengths short of saying "we all bleed red, we're all human beings!" Your stupidity and lack of comprehension are mind-numbing. You can not dispute what I said. Historical accomplishments prove my case for me, and dispute yours.
Filtered for annoying me with your Marxist drivel you rat fucking bum. Go back to your "we wuz" nigger website and stay the fuck off Holla Forums.

I don't believe in equality, in fact equality isn't an object.

But quality is, and quality black people, and quality white people have more in common with each other than they do with low quality members of their own respective ethnic groups, and this is what Hitler also believed to be true.

Native Italians are Aryan, but one can't deny the clear Afro-Asiatic characterists present in some populations.

Wow, so open minded and tolerant of you. However, it is a sign of poor socialization that you think this way – you have much more in common with anybody who shares your blood than an African. Any "quality" black is an anomaly caused by white blood and white education and it will be gone within a generation. That's why Africans are the only race to ever farm humans like livestock for food. And that's just one example of how bizarrely cruel and lacking in empathy the black is.

Ye but that's only some populations. Not enough for me to declare all Italians as non-White. Even those populations that exist are none of our business and it's up to Italians themselves to decide how to handle that.

Noone wants to force you to accept x European ethnicity into your country. It's only when you try to get other people up in arms against Italians, Poles, Germans, etc. that we have a problem.

This moron operates under the assumption that there's no genetic difference between us, and that our brains function exactly the same. He's one of the types that believe our differences are skin deep. He legitimately believes that intelligence is merely weighed in levels, rather than types. He must also think men and women share equal forms of intelligence, as it's merely weighed in levels. To him we all share the same fundimental brain patterns, amounts of grey matter, brain development etc., it's just some make better use than others. This is absurd and false. Our brains function differently. He can't comprehend that. He's operating from an entirely different and false point of view. If he asserts that the male and female brain are different, then he's a hypocrite. If he doesn't he's a fool. If he does, then he can not deny that the negro and European brain operate differently. Not only that, the European brain is 5% larger on average. The European brain operates differently and produces a form of intelligence that is indisputably superior in social and technological development, among other things. Just filter the idiot, unless you've got a high tolerance for these rats. I can't stand them personally.

Absolutely. I only lament the fact that many of these so-called Italians invaded America in the 20th century. Now they are also the American's problem.

Aryanism means that a noble white man and a noble black man share more blood in common than they do with ignoble members of their own genotypes.

Also, its not as though the British Empire never farmed black people as slaves for nearly 300 years either.

I know for a fact that genotypes adapted differently to different environments genetically, but that's not the same thing as measuring individual merit.

Filtering is cowardly and should only be used on spammers.


I'm American and I love those Italians you besmirch. Fun people, always.

and which one of my posts suggested i disagree?

Besides being fun, how has America benefited from Italian admixture?

The point is, there is nothing correct about you saying that the top outliers of different races are more similar to each other than to the majority of members who fall within the mean of their respective races.

I don't have the patience to deal with Marxist rats, especially on Holla Forums of all places.

Aryans are supposed to be the top outliers, not the mundane.

Europeans are the top of the humans.
A few thousand people alive and dead altogether are outliers.

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Were Europeans the top of humanity during the middle ages when most societies across the globe functioned similarly?

Actually, no.
The Orange, Blue and Teal components are all linked to the Caucasian race.
Ancient Middle Easterners, the likes of Sumerians and Egyptians were about 60% Orange and 40% Teal.
Those 3 components are totally ok.
Now, another OC.

Do you believe the white race needs to be preserved and advance as its own people, or do you believe race mixing is a better choice?

What the hell? Of course continue as its own people.
Even if "Whites" were the worst of subhumans, they would still be us, and we must fight for ourselves.
But "White" is a shitty term, I'll make another OC to explain.

Just testing you, don't worry about it.

Read the Hitler the ultimate avatar by Miguel Serrano from heritage helm corpus. Worth the money. Change your life.

Here.

If you want to see that Genetic Distance PCA amplified, see here:

I found a very interesting place locating in Kazakhstan.

A sphinx, pyramids.. and not so far away from Gobi desert where Aryans had rumouded to also be. Nobody really knows this area.

Check out the vid and this Russian website where you can find many other interesting sites that not many are familiar of:

vk.com/club98811895

I'm not Russian myself, so I only got some idea of automatic translation. Check out!! This is amazing!

Coordinates in Google Maps:

53° 5'5.40" N
70°15'17.69" E

Oera Linda, Himmler's Bible.

campbellmgold.com/archive_esoteric/oera_linda_book_sandbach_1876.pdf

has anyone got anything about ancient greek feautres, like the long straight nose and how this type of nose its almost non existent on this day?

Well, yeah. Carolingian Renaissance, The Republic of Venice, Holy Roman Empire, etc.

Perhaps he was the son of a European concubine?

A paper on the origin of Minoans (pre-Hellenes), and Mycenaean (pre-Doric) was out.

Hi salt-left!
Yes Europeans were the top of humanity during and long before the middle ages.
When did most societies function similarly to Europe. I'd like to hear your wise insights on how similar other societies were to European ones. Of course, please go deep with it I am all ears. Tell me about behavior, thoughts, beliefs, and physical manifestations and group activities.

(checking this painfully ignored trip)


My suspicion is that the Aryans (Irish/Nordics?) populating (North) America were an entirely peaceful people. Having little war among their selves, they had no need for military technology or skill. So when the warlike Mongols arrived, they easily slaughtered those damn peaceful, loving Aryans, who are naive enough to believe the whole world is kind and trusting like them (remind you of anyone today?). Anyway, that's purely speculation on my part, not supported by any material fact.


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nice oc user

The Atlantean hypothesis interests me even more than the Aryan one.

I though this thread was about science and facts. But what you are talking about is neither.

Himmler was right.

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The symbolism is there. It's in their myths. However, Aryans as we know them (Proto Indo-Europeans and their descendants) couldn't have been in the Americas. As OP points out, they come from the Pontic steppe in Russia. The dates don't match up, and even if they did, the chariot tech that they're famous for wouldn't have helped them get across the Atlantic Ocean in any large numbers.

If all of the recurring religious symbols and Native American accounts of bearded white men are not just a series of coincidences, then there must be more to the Aryan story than we know. The steppe is just the earliest point that we can trace through linguistics.

At some point before the steppe culture, there must have been a people with technology that allowed them to travel across the globe. You know, Atlantis or something like it. I suspect that the culture was egalitarian in nature. Unfortunately, diversity and multiculturalism caused that great civilization to descend into race war. If the Aryans won this race war, it wasn't by much. Complete technological regression followed. It was in the aftermath of this race war that the steppe culture established the Indo European caste system. This caste system was meant to stop racemixing, but perhaps more importantly, it was meant to convey that all non-Aryans are subhuman and should not be given political power.

sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/olb22.htm

Also don't forget the Inca's are named after the sea king Inka(Neef Inca) just as Neptunes comes from the sea king Teunis(Neef Teunis).

Indo-Europeans GTFO this my land.

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In El Cordon Dorado: Esoterico Hitlerism there is a chapte that talks about the Ancient Aryans in the Americas, which Serrano claims were called "Albania" as a homage to Alchemical colors of red and black, which were the colors of Atlantis (the atlantic shelf, which sat between England and "America". Obviously the problem is that any former Atlantean city would be about 400 feet below sea level today since the 1000ft tsunamis 11k years ago after the passageway back to the pole was destroyed.

That's literally wikipedia starter tier anthropology, mate. It's a link away from the Indo-Europeans article.

Teleonomy still can't explain why Whites are considered universally more attractive or why do so many species have bright colorations and ornaments to attract females when it's more of a burden when it comes to survival (aposematism aside).

DAS RITE. s'are land m8.

I am also part Basque

The Oera Linda Book is the oldest document we have on the original Aryans. It is also the only document written from their point of view. It speaks about all of these things.

The Aryans (or Frisians as they called themselves) were peaceful, but not defenseless. In fact they had iron weaponry while the rest of the world were stuck with bronze and stone. They were not conquered via arms but through subterfuge. A priest class called the Magi infected their people and leaders with foreign ideas. They would kidnap their children, indoctrinate them for years, then send them back. Some succumbed to the temptations of slavery, further corrupting them. Elected, limited kingship became dynastic tyranny. Naturalized monotheism became superstitious polytheism. This turned them against themselves, and by trading advanced weaponry with the enemy, ultimately made them vulnerable to outside attack as well. As late as the Cimbric invasions of Italy they maintained their absolute superiority in combat, though by that time purity of blood had largely been lost and their true history forgotten.

Who did they worship?

They just called him the ancient one. The first. W'ralda in their language.

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It's his only good video. On the Basque part, he talks bullshit.

But this is not true. There are non-Aryan Europeans so your description of them as subhuman comes across to me as an attack vector to D&C Europe.

No, but the book is certainly fiction.
Just stop, the Frisians were a people that came to exist much later in the whole Indo-European scheme of things.
In Himler's time they didn't know this, but it is fake, just let this esoteric shit go.

Also:
There was a population in Ancient Siberia (~40~20 kya) called ANE. Europeans and Native Americans both have ancestry from them.

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Hallo Goffe Jensma.

Great images but they completely miss out the Aryan immigrations into China, (actual China, not the Tarim basin). Genetic tests in the Shandong peninsula prove that Chinese in 500BC were completely white, but got mixed to about half white around 1AD. Old pronunciation of Chinese is close to the Proto-Indo-European language. Descendents of Chinese royalty in Japan were noted to have been blonde, blue-eyed, and red-faced. Also, China has hardly had any new culture for 2000 years.

Source? What you said sounds completely like bullshit.

Literally who?

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Much of history is buried rather than forgotten. Are these names interlinked or is my autism acting up?

He is the Frisian guy who is actively slandering the OLB with bullshit.

"Thanks" for derailing the thread with lunatic superstition of the likes of the anheherbe bullshit just to make us look like crazy when spreading false information.
Fucking TRS homosexuals.

Both words come from Calcareous, which is very white. The mountains were named because they were white too.
It's a coincidence.

There's nothing esoteric about the Oera Linda Book. It writes the history of a people and tells you about their laws. Every remnant Aryan will tell you the contents of the book speak to their souls. You're confusing this with the shitskin corrupted religion of India that so enticed Serrano and Devi.

The Frisians of today (and of Himmlers time) were obviously of another genetic makeup. There does not exist any Aryan pockets in Holland anymore, and has not for quite some time. Though a haplogroup map will suggest that region's relative purity compared to the rest of Europe.

Fuck off, genetics calls this bullshit and so does history.
It was probably some retarded cult who wrote this in the romanticism era.

g-casa.com/conferences/vienna16/paper_pdf/Liu.pdf

>(((geneticists))) and (((mainstream historians)))) debunks your theory goy!
Fuck off with your charts from men getting paid by powers wanting us dead. I know an Aryan when I see one, by sight and by character. In his remnant form he is mostly to be found in Northwestern Europe. If your science can't portray this you need better science. And history? History confirms the Oera Linda Book. It accurately depicts events that were unknown to us in the 19th century, not to say the 13th century when it was probably written in its current form.

The Oera Linda also tells about the Geertmannen who migrated in to phases back to Frisia from Indus valley in Northwest India. The Hindoe Vedas are claimed to be writen by them. Hinduism is probably just pooed on Wr.Aldanism.

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Ok, this is a Historian. Genetics only proved the grains, but they made this path.
This is just speculation, really, the Chinese have many of this, such as a "scientific" paper that "proves" people came out of China, no Africa.

The first Ancient-Genomes laboratory in China was set up last year. Let's see if they will sequence these mummies (if they have any) and see the result.

Fuck off lunatic.

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Keeping to the science side of things, what of maps like these?

They're mainly based on Haplogroups, which is just the y-chromosome, not the entire DNA.
It's useful to see migration paths.
Europe is basically R1b in the West, I2/I1 in the Central-North and R1a in the East.
R1b is from the Yamanya, R1a is from Corded Ware and I1/I2 from European Hunter Gatherers before them.
J and G exists too and they came with the Mediterranean Farmers.
Before 2015, there was no consistent effort in academia to reveal the genetic composition of peoples, so these are from DNA-testing companies.
They started to gatherer data from regions, say "Oh, people from the Baltics are very similar, and people surrounding them a little less" and then they created regional maps.
There are many more of those in Eupedia, and they explain them.
But it also correlates with what I did here:

That third one. The Walloon is not white.

very nice, but i have proof that the trait was a real thing a not "beautified", look at this death mask of an ancient greek king the nose matched to the ones of the statues

And so did the paintings, what's your point?
It's known that before those classic greek statues, the ancients made very weird sculptures.
Probably they kept the nose because it was "beautiful".

a death mask comes directly from the corpse, thats my point

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I think that your allusion to Atlantis is the correct way to account for the apparent timeline discrepancies. Good point on the original purpose of the caste system.

Interesting insights, user. I will definitely read the Oera Linda Book. Also, this Magi "infection" is curious. Were the Magis from the Mongols, or another people? Those tactics sure sound fucking Semitic to me.
It's also interesting that you note they were "naturalized" monotheists. People (on this board, particularly) always denounce me for claiming that the Vedas (Hinduism/Aryan) are monotheistic at their core, though they possess elements of polytheism, what with their many demigods. There is a common refrain here that "Polytheism = Aryan and Monotheism = Semitic". I don't buy it. Do you have anymore thoughts on that matter?

Evola's Hyperboreans.

DNA evidence now suggests the Hyperboreans (Indo-Aryans) who carried the blonde hair gene into northern Europe were mixed with Asian (Eurasian). And even though they carried the gene, they had predominantly brownish hair.

The reason why you have very high rates of blonde hair in certain parts of Northern Europe now is due to breeding bias events.

Apparently, they came from the North Pole general area (while it was still greenish) when the last ice age hit. That adds up with the evidence that the gene only appeared (in Europe) 6000 - 10,000 years ago.

The genes certainly didn't come from anywhere else. So north pole general area is the best candidate. Science backs this up.

This guy explains it really well. youtu.be/Imj0_UhfMLs 10 min video. (No e-celeb.)

Apparently Brits have the most of this ancient European DNA.

Whoops, accidentally posted before I was ready.


Seems you discussed a bit more of the monotheistic aspect.

Iunno, looks like some wisdom in there to me. Art thou a demon?
(deserves to be checked for calling out scared kikes)

Interesting how the African admixture is isolated to those countries which are today struggling but once were great. Any greatness remaining therein is due to the presence of Germanic peoples, usually in the northern parts of each respective country.

Thet Oera Linda Bok starts about 2194bc and most of it is written about 600bc. Far before the Mongols. The Magy were Priest Kings of the Finda. In the Oera Linda you got three races. The Children of Lyda, Finda and Frya's. About their appearances it writes:

If we then read more about Finda:


It sounds Semitic, but I think it describes Asian as a whole.

Well, we were speaking of North America. Did the Mongols not arrive around 10,000 years ago? As I understand, the Europeans arrived around 25,000 years ago. So 4,000 years ago (2194 BC) should have had a Mongolian presence in America… and I would suspect that the Aryan presence would have been eliminated, more or less, by then.
Seems fair, especially if we include Semites as Afro-Asiatic.

>use outdated sources from 2000 instead of 2003/2015 academic.oup.com/mbe/article/20/2/214/1003271/Reconstructing-the-Evolutionary-History-of-China-A


Ok, this is a Historian.
Historian who cannot evolutated sources nor use references? Ye no

The OLB doesn't say anything about North America. It may have been part of the Atland. But I doubt it if we look at the current believes in (((history))). Like you said it should have been lost long before "the bad times" came. Does North America even have something similar to Doggerland?

Because many people on Holla Forums have a sour taste in their mouth regarding monotheism, so you have to understand that your advocacy for monotheism will be seen as malicious and subversive. Even if you have honest intentions, you'd best get to seeing how unwise it is to remain uncompromising with your belief in this. A concession you can make is to see the value in Europe's polytheism, and to see how zealotry in Abrahamic faiths destroyed most everything about them.

As far as I know, North America did not have civilizations to the scale of Europe, Mesopotamia, or even South America. The only major culture I am aware of is Mound Culture, which I think to be of European peoples.
As for NA and Doggerland, I don't know. I am still researching Doggerland. Could be that much of the archaeological evidence of civilizations before 10,000 years ago may have been lost in the deluge. Have you seen any talk of the ice shelf melting in North America, possibly due to meteor strike? Maybe that's what wiped out any pre-Mongolian European culture that may have existed.

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I get that. But you should be a bit more nuanced in your assessment; I did not advocate monotheism, I posed an almost academic question about the role of monotheism in ancient Aryan societies, specifically Indo-European Vedic society, from which we have evidence of monotheism along with a pantheon of minor gods. To my knowledge, the Vedas predate Abrahamic religions. Again, there is no uncompromising belief being propagated here. There is, however, a discussion of Aryan monotheism, which is evident in at least the Bhagavad Gita (which I have read in full). I see the value in Europe's pantheon as an expression of psychology, alchemy, spirituality, and naturalism. I do see how Abrahamic faiths ruined these aspects. I am no zealot, one way or another with regard to religious beliefs. Or, you might say the truth is my religion - inasmuch as I can decipher it.

I don't actually see any issue with accepting both polytheism and monotheism. With the pantheon of gods being characterizations of the manifold aspects of the absolute creator.

TRS, please disappear, you're derailing this thread with religious bullshit.

Nigger we use science and empirical data these days not voodoo magic and feelz

That African admixture is actually Caucasoid North African admixture, not nigger admixture

Why does it feel like mudblood, then?

I dunno, why does it? All that attitude is doing is allowing kikes like those at BBC to claim ancient Britain had niggers when in actuality they only had some Berbers.

Why did Aryans lost? Why did they come so "weak"?

It's now obvious that Chinese pyramids, mummies, sphinxes everywhere are built by Ancient ARYANS.

Indian Vedas and every other religious ancient literature and stuff are from the same origin.. Aryans.

This is it. Aryans taught us all, everything was good and noble.

Why did Aryans lost? Why did they come so "weak"?

It's now obvious that Chinese pyramids, mummies, sphinxes everywhere are built by Ancient ARYANS.

Indian Vedas and every other religious ancient literature and stuff are from the same origin.. Aryans.

This is it. Aryans taught us all, everything was good and noble.

The ice age ended and global sea levels flooded roughly 200 miles inland round the entire fucking planet. Remember, even to this day 75% of the world population lives within 200 miles of a coastline. THE FLOOD IN THE BIBLE IS A HISTORIC EVENT. It was something so terrifying and damaging that we remember it to this very fucking day. Never mind that the end of the ice age fucked up the climate and we had to rediscover what plants grew in what locations.

Who said they lost and became weak? As far as I can tell, Europe and the US still are the most advanced and powerful societies on earth

Can I post here or nah?

Alright awesome. When you say that Finns have Siberian DNA I would have to ask how this DNA test was done. Are you saying that your typical blond Finn has 10% Siberian genes or they tested full-blooded Saami people as well and it averages out to that?

Urban lifestyle often creates fragile peoples and mindsets.
While the Dravidians of South India were having 10 children in sewer conditions of life, an Aryan noble would often have just 1, with his spouse having 10 maids to make everything for her, etc.

Their model was primairly Elite Rule. They managed to changed dramatically the DNA of its subjects, but it was indirectly.
Slavery does the same thing.
There's not a single good racial example of Elite Rule, because it always come back to bite them, because they're creating empires, but shitskins are the ones reproducing.

Now, they didn't became "Weak", they just became too successful.
The lavish life modern people have today, with fewer children, is the same.

But really, Central Asia was getting very arid at the time too.
The Chinese at one time decided that they wanted to purge their Turkic problems, and while the Chinese chased all the Turks away, all the Turks fled Westward, it was a massacre, because they were an United coalition picking up small isolated pockets of Indo-Europeans in Central Asia one by one.

Really, this is extremely complicated matter.
"The Fate of Empires".
But know this: A Multiracial society can never work.

No, Finns have ~10% Siberian DNA, Saami got sampled in separate and have even more.
This was due to the East Scythians "playing" in Siberia.
Many of the "Russians aren't White!", "Finns aren't White!", "Slavs aren't White!" memes come from this time in Iron Age, when primarily religious texts described them as Mongoloids, WHICH WAS TRUE AT THE TIME, but not before nor after.

Pic related shows a timeline of the European people.
"Red" is European Hunter Gatherer genes
"Orange" is Mediterranean Farmers genes
"Green" is Caucasus Hunter Gatherer genes
Yamnaya and Corded Ware were the "first" Aryans.
There's a Middle Eastern Gladiator in Roman Britain, try to find him
But look at Russia, it has a strange Purple and Pink.
"Pink" is East Asian
"Purple" is Siberian Mongoloid

This is where the Siberian Mongoloid DNA of the Finns and Russians come from.

God, I made an OC, never again (the OC Colors and the other image Colors are different!!)

"Civilization" can often be quite damaging to it's creators.

It's always interesting figuring out genetic history, great thread.

This map is pretty terrible in regards to its representation of the placement of Germanic and Slavic tribes. The rest are mostly great, however.

Diluted or not it's still African admixture.

"Africa" is merely a geographical term. It can mean anything.

Point is it doesn't matter if a gene comes to you directly or through a third party. Whether you get it from one nigger or two berbers the admixture is still there.

Yes, but that wasn't the other user's point. He said - correctly - that much of North Africa was once quite hwite. Same with parts of South Africa still today. Geography ≠ lineage.

I think because the conditions changed too much, of course dynasties after thousands of years could have handled the situation if the conditions were the same and of course they should have known how tho maintain their empire and leading through ages.

As far as we don't know what specific genes North African refers to yes, but that does not mean you are in the clear. If there is nigger blood in there it should be acknowledged. Big boasts about purity does not ad credibility when genes from all around Europe is mapped out by science. Yeah it may be white dna in there, but very likely not all of it. People have sex.

Let me clear this, again with an OC.
This is my fourth one.

Anti shill-slide bump.

Archive these all news quickly

They lost because they were deceived by a the kikes. And they worshiped Moloch even back then. They spread across the world, teaching agriculture, astronomy, mathematics, and law, etc. The pyramids of Giza, the Easter Island Heads, Baalbek, Yonaguni ziggura, countless structures located vast differences across the world - all built by Aryans.

Look for Orion.

Aryans also are depicted as snakes..

Or with red-beards, eyes.

Like the Guanches.

I have started to think the same. He must be somekind of disinfo guy. It's not the Aliens or not the Atlantians… it's the ARYANS

"Ahnenerbe"-shills, Atlantis-shills, those Esoteric types as well, they're all Disinfo and Misinfo guys - it's obvious to spot them.
They mainly convinced TRS idiots, who also do the same kind of shilling.

Look for Orion… but why?

Actually Middle Ages were really good time for TRUE Europeans. It's not always that the only perimeter of success is something that emerges as productive or in material senses. Life in Middle Ages were more close to "paganism" or our true religious origins than ever after that. So called age of enlightenment, renaissance and all those happened revolutions were just the ugly birth of the last phase of Kali-Yuga. Even though we have technology and stuff, but the emergency of ancient hermetic creeds which lead to renaissance were just a trick of the evil who had figured out the esoteric aryan knowledge and now was used to evil deeds. And that's where we are now. Ancient noble knowledge is in wrong hands and misused. People are used abused, the planet is exploited and we are shrinking to catastrophe because "the magic" is used irresponsibly. The knowledge that once belonged to all is now only for those greedy fuckers. Just like in the story of Aladdin, the bad guy misuses the genie of the lamp and eventually destroys himself by himself.

You types are really obvious.

>I'm f58306 and 59dea3
Yeah, I just flooded this thread with real information, genetics and history, and not bullshit like those retards "Muh Atlantis"!!
Go away Duginist, TRSodomite, Alt-right Spencer cocksucker.

There's nothing retarded about the idea of a world-spanning, antediluvian quasi-Aryan civilization. Calling everything esoteric/Ahnenerbe a priori disinfo makes YOU the disinfo shill.

The only inhabitants of Europe before the deglaciation were European Hunter Gatherers, and they didn't build anything.
It was the culture after then, mixed with Mediterranean Hunter Gatherers that built what you attribute to them.
They were called the "Atlantic Megalithic Culture"
They weren't even Aryans
They coexisted with the Aryan Corded Wares and Yamnaya, but they themselves were not.

Stop spilling nonsense.

Archeological and documentary evidence attests to the fact that a light-eyed, light skinned, bearded people were once present in almost all parts of the world and were venerated as the founders and creators of higher culture. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

I wrongly wrote "Hunter Gatherers", it is FARMERS.
Also, the Atlantic Megalithic Culture existed since 5000 BC

Finally, there was no "world-spanning" nothing.
Similarities between cultures are explained without esotericism.
Did you know that there was a population ancestral to both Aryans and Native Americans?
Of course not, you don't know shit about archaeology, genetics, history, culture and religion.
You're living in a delusional world.

See this:


If you're talking about anything earlier than that, you're full of bullshit.
The Aryans were real, they were fair-skinned, they had light eyes and hair, I explained it all, but they're not what you think they are.

Malcolm X said it best. There is a difference between "Europe" and "The West".

But like I said, there are no Aryans around today, they are extinct. All we have are people with more noble blood than others, and that can be said about any individual.

Physically speaking, there are phenotypical features associated with the Aryan race as seen in the skeletons found in their ancient sites, but this idea of Aryans being "White" or inherently European is nonsense, because even Hitler himself believed that noble cultures existed across the world.

No, Aryans were a people genetically identified, and pic related are the peoples who have the most of their ancestry.
(Bear in mind that Central Asia had more in the past, it was diluted)

Now, if you're talking about a civilizational spirit tied with nobility, greatness and human exceptionality, don't call it Aryan.

Guess who has southern Asian DNA?
Do any of you?
95% European with the rest southern Asian. I am master race.
I'm whiter than all of you too. It's funny

the original holohoax?

Egyptians were Caucasoids with no African nor Arab admixture. You could call them our cousins.
Their elites had an habit of getting foreign brides and concubines, and they loved Aryan princesses, specially from the Mitanni - that's why there are many Blonde/Red haired mummies, or how Tut is really close genetically to the English.

Now
A semitic people called Hyksos once conquered Egypt by slowly immigrating there and then uprising.
They were there for about a 100 years, and they plundered and laid Egypt to waist, they were despots who cared nothing about the Egyptians.
Then, the Egyptians finally rebelled and expelled them - these people later would be known as the Apiru, the Hapiru, the Habiru, the Hebrews.
The bullshit about enslavement never happened: they were living in Egyptian land before and the Pharaoh required taxes, that's it.

The Bible is a book full of fictional stories, literal lying.

So why would Early European Farmers, or Hunter Gatherers be building giant megalithic structures including temples and monuments etc. Which require advanced technology and massive manpower and coordinate effort plus time??? Serious question.

Yes, from the Atlantic Megalithic Culture
No, I wronged there.

It's really not known. I don't advise inventing reasons though.
The Basques are people who retained that culture, instead of becoming "Aryanized", they speak a different, "isolate" language, have some really exclusive stuff and their DNA also supports being the closest (of today) of what those guys were genetically.

The Basques are people who retained that culture, instead of becoming "Aryanized", they speak a different, "isolate" language, have some really exclusive stuff and their DNA also supports being the closest (of today) of what those guys were genetically.

If that is the case genetically, that they are the closest surviving people to the megalith builders. Where are the subsequent megalithic structures, evidence of technology, language and civilization in the Basque region today? Unless they were not in fact responsible for them in the first place?

I am not disputing the genetic evidence that they are closely related to the early European Farmers. That seems conclusive. However I am of the opinion that another people coexisted with the and were more sophisticated technologically.

You see, the guys who did all that lived in the whole France+Iberia+Britain, not necessarily in the Basque country,
The Basque country was the last remnant of the whole stuff - maybe the culture decayed? You see that the Megalithic Culture coexisted with the Aryan Corded Ware in its borders, and we know that the Corded Ware "won" the genetic battle, as it advanced Westwards into the now not-Atlantic Megalithic, but "Bell Beaker" culture.
The Basque country was the last refuge of those people - the region is mountainous and almost impossible to successfully invade, their women also don't give the first birth to non O- fathers.

Esoteric stuff? I don't believe so. I think it was hard as fuck to do what they did, but they had loads of free time and about 2000 years of civilizational life-spam.

You forgot the megalithic structures in Britain, Russia and the middle east.

Perhaps these structures were the result of a EEF and EHG and/or other hybrid? 2000 years is a long time indeed although there seems to be a dearth of physical evidence from that period.

You misunderstand me, I am not advocating the esoteric angle/hypothesis. I am interested in the sudden appearance and (relatively) subsequent disappearance of the requisite culture/technology/civilization -beyond merely farming and hunter/gathering which would be necessary for megalithic structure design and construction. Additionally, the purpose for them indicates a certain level of society or social organization and cooperation. This in turn should have yielded further physical evidence, yes?

The Atlantic Megalithic culture was present there too.
Pyramids and Ziggurats? They were huge, but hardly impossible. They had the mathematics for that, they had tons of free (as in free time, they're farmers who had nothing to do with their time until the crops season). They took decades to build as well, and other civilizations such as the Amerindian ones (although being a complicated matter) and the Aryans of India also built similar structures.
The pyramidal shape is the best for really heavy and tall structures, so it was naturally discovered by everybody.
Examples?
I agree with the things you said, but although Archaeology discovered all of those things, they still can't read into their minds.
And I also don't think you need so much sophistication to do what they did.
The first Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian cities looked like worse than favelas.

But that level of cooperation would require a significant populace located nearby, surely?


Or taught?

I was thinking of several examples in the Urals, such as Isle of Vera plus the Russian geoglyphs. (not as impressive as the aforementioned examples but examples nonetheless). And I think there are also some in the Ukrain and Khazakstan too.

I was remiss for forgetting Indian examples, nice work; isn't there an ancient underwater city that is being investigated currently? That is further argument of just how widespread the technology, civilization and movement of culture and potentially DNA was.

But the most interesting middle easterrn example has to be Gobleki Tepi, surely? 12000BP for that level of structure is bloody impressive, along with the early iconography and carvings and the indication of organized religion. The Sumerian/Babylonian and Egyptian cultures came thousands of years later. What happened in between??? The earliest pyramids are still amazing though, also Baalbek in Lebanon.

Was it you making the OC genetic graphs and tables of EU/white cohorts over time? If so, nice work btw.

The Amerindian structures are fascinating, Saksayhuama, Machu Picchu especially the earliest examples plus recent evidence indicating settlements from 15-16000BP. This plus the common mythology across the Americas of white creators and their subsequent influence.

The Solutrean hypothesis is currently disparaged almost ubiquitously, however so was "Pre-clovis" peoples for decades so I'm keeping an open mind.

I'm hinting at a settlement/city of some size and therefore archaeological remains around most megalithic structures, whether the earliest ones were similar to favelas or not, firepits, tools, structural habitats etc. should be evident.

Better way to preserve information through centuries and thousands of years is NOT to write it down and copying, it gets corrupted pretty soon just by humane errors. How to copy without a single piece of information get corrupted then? Of course the solution has already been done thousands of years ago. Save your information through poems, mantras, music and runes which has a rhythm or hymn. Vibration = music gives it strong pattern to preserve and save your extremely valuable information. That way it's so much easily remembered, if you remember the "rhytm", then you remember the "words" and corruption is unlikely. To this day in India they know how to this, it's a very ancient practise. Oral tradition. Writing is like DNA, corruption leads to cancer and mislead to dead-end.

Sure Moishe, that's why we know next to nothing about the Druids and only know about the Frisians because they actually wrote a book that was preserved through the centuries. Oral folk knowledge can be wiped out in a generation.

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And what happens when you burn that book and have no oral tradition?

If they burn the book you can be damn sure they will burn all the old sages preserving your wisdom as well. Books can be hidden and preserved for hundreds and thousands of years. Oral traditions are only as good as the people carrying them. In world history that translates to: not very well.

How do you explain that Inuits and Eskimoes are still to this day reddish then? They are living on ice right now, still going on strongly red.

Aryans you say?

Of course, Uruk in Sumeria had about 50,000~80,000 residents.
You have to understand that they did nothing with their lives, they planted crops and waited for it.
They were completely available for state projects.
And it was not any different anywhere.
No, it's pretty obvious. I'm an engineer and we study that - tall, rectangular skycrappers of today are only possible due to the lightweight steel used, and if we used only stone components like the ancients, it would collapse on its own weight.
Pyramidal shape is pretty obvious after experimentation, it's easy to build too. You can also see how they evolved from the first crap ones to the majestic later ones, all in thousand-years spam.

Created by the Orange people, the guys who gave the "Farmer" name to peoples. I don't see anything impressive.
Farming gave rise to densely populated settlements, instead of a nomadic lifestyle and gave people loads of free time they never had before.
The Orange people was once a Hunter-Gatherer people who became a Farming people. It's speculated this here:

Yes, thanks.
Amerindians settled in America about that time, they had a common ancestral population with Eastern European Hunter Gatherers called "ANE" (Ancient North Eurasians) and may be the reason as to why they had similar stuff (such as the Swastika, just a movement of constellations around the polar star to track the year/seasons).
But their civilizations and structures are much newer, the "Aztec Empire" for instance only appeared in 1428 AD.
Bear in mind: Genetically tested Clovis and Kennewick. They were not Amerindians, but they were heavily mixed East Asians, from the likes of the Atayal people mixed with the ANE.


This discussion is focusing on the wrong things.
Writing is essential. We're not Barbarians because we have gathered codified knowledge - it's the passing of traditions that keep civilizations alive, and Oral tradition is incredibly prone to vanishing.
Now, about "distorting" them: that happens when you put the common denominators of society on hold of that, instead of it being preserved only among the high circles.
Some examples, people may like it or not, was how Luther translated the Bible and made a clusterfuck out of Christianity because normal people perverted it in all sorts of ways, or how Universities got corrupted when they started accepting normal people instead of the high caste of society.
The list goes on.
This is not a Writing vs Oral problem, but a Patrician vs Pleb one.

Don't forget Turkey, Greece, Spain, France, Italy, Malta, Sardinia, Libanon, Georgia, Armenia, Saudi-Arabia, Israel, Iraq, Iran etc. which has these weird dwellings carved straight to the mountain's sides. Also those Turkey's and Malta's underground cities which were accidentally found add up a lot to this mystery.

The evidence of dwellings of unknown origin is staggering. It's there, those were not built by so called Etruscans or their kind. The older the dwelling gets more sophisticated has it been built.

Not wanting to be overly bummer, but:
Really impressive
Totally doable
Learn about the ANE (Ancient North Eurasians). In Siberia, there was once a hyper-mixed culture who gathered knowledge from everybody and spread it everywhere they went after.
Might be coincidence as well.
Totally coincidence this time.
Nothing impressive, specially because that type of soil there is incredibly malleable.

I'm only impressed by the Siberian one, I'll search more about it, but it might be nothing special, given what kind of rock it would be.
It seems to be a very brick rock that even a bronze, or a marble tool could carve easily.
About transportation… that would be hell, but doable. Look at pyramid-building for instance.

Why are you so aggressive?
Who are you to say what to focus and what not?

Why do you stink like a /salt-left/ shill? Why do you sound like you're pissed off and want to own whole fucking history narrative.

THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS THAN THERE ARE ANSWERS.

And you don't know everything. You don't know . YOU DON'T KNOW BTFO SHILL

I was not, read my calmly.
And who are you?
I'm not though? I posted info throughout this whole thread.
I'm not pissed at all, I'm calm. I don't want to "own the history narrative" either.
But I agree with you?
I don't
Yes.
Are you a shill yourself or are you just playing with me for fun?

Sorry man, I'm pissed off. I have read 30 hours in a row about this issue now. I'm confused. I want to know the truth about our origins. And I know I've been lied to.

Namaste!

If anyone here wants to know how the Ancients looked like, first read this:
unz.com/gnxp/the-genetic-architecture-natural-history-of-pigmentation/

Then, this blog archives all their phenotype genetic data:
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/phenotype-snps-for-minoans-and-mycenaeans/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/07/31/phenotype-snps-from-bronze-age-lebanon/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/07/29/phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-portugal/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/06/01/phenotype-snps-from-ancient-egypt/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/03/30/phenotype-snps-from-neolithic-estonia/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/phenotype-snps-for-scythians-and-sarmatians/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/02/04/phenotype-snps-from-mesolithic-and-neolithic-latvia-and-ukraine/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/10/07/phenotype-snps-from-the-lapita-culture/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/phenotype-snps-from-neolithic-central-asia-minor/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/phenotype-snps-from-the-ancient-americas/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/07/18/phenotype-snps-from-ancient-iran/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/06/22/phenotype-snps-from-the-ancient-near-east/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/06/17/phenotype-snps-from-the-neolithic-aegean/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/phenotype-snps-from-ice-age-europe/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/12/01/more-phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-eurasia/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/phenotype-snps-from-copper-and-bronze-age-spain/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-eurasia/
genetiker.wordpress.com/2015/03/07/phenotype-snps-from-prehistoric-europe/

So I've been interested in Mt. Cuchama (now known as Mt. Tecate) in California right north of the border. I bought the book that is referenced by Serrano in other works but it appears that the 'Red Beards' who lived there thousands of years ago, would make the pilgrimage up and would come down 'twice born'. There were Swastikas and all sorts of runes found up there, which is strange considering it was in, well, California. Also interesting that I grew up here and have never heard of this fucking place… I think we know (((why))).

Anyway, it talks about the hagal rune * and how that is going to end up paving the way for the next rune, to be discovered, once it is morphed in with the Swastika. So I was going to go up there on the 23rd (kek) and leave a Black Sun at the summit. Thoughts?

Watch this:

This might correlate with Thor Heyerdahl's books and expeditions such as Aku-Aku and Kon-Tiki. Pizarro also wrote about that.
Genetics haven't delved into these matter yet, but it's known that many Amerindians have European ancestry, believed to have been acquired since the Explorations and not before.

I'm putting this knowledge on hold until proven.

Found the kike.

I've done a fair amount of research about this. Interesting video. In The Golden Thread, there's a lot of details about Kon-Tiki, Cachapoyas(sp?) etc etc. I had no idea they made it that high though (seems like the video didn't either, @5:30)

Higher than that is really uncharted territory. You have legends, weird archaeology but little evidence.
That's why I said the knowledge is on hold (at least for me).

The book I'm about to read is by W.Y Evans-Wentz. I'll let you know if there's any decent evidence once im done and report back.

Here, this also correlates with the video.

Ok.
I really don't like this side of things though, I'm more inclined to Genetics.
But thank you.

About this here, it was those "Persians" who bought potatoes to America and to the Pacific Islands, not a back-and-forth expedition by Pacific Islanders, forgot to say

Brought*

Keep dreaming, white boy. Why do you there is no native-European Y-DNA I in Asia? None.

Just because Steppe men raped native-Europeans and slave-traded native-Euro women all the way to China, does not make them white.

Proto-Indo-Europeans were 50% ANE (that is not white)

Europeans are three way MUTT = Mix of native WHG + farming EEF + steppe ANE.

Idiot, they were 50% EHG and 50% CHG, get out.

The whole WHG/ANE/EEF thing is so 2015… They discovered CHG and Natufians already.
Steppe people were White, see this:


You're totally retarded

On top of that, native Europeans were not "Caucasoid"

A true cacuasoid facial morotipigy first arrivies to Europe during Neolithic era.

Europeans are product of mixing between native Europeans (WHG : wide face, short nose, brow-ridge) and migrating farmers (EEF : classic Caucasoid).

Between these two types*

I thought it was a typo, but you're talking about "I".
Well, I was not present in the Yamnaya and the Corded Ware, that's why.
But R1b and R1a were, and guess what? They were Europeans, Whites.
More Genetic PCAs:

Look how "Scandinavia LNBA" and "Scandinavia LBA" cluster nicely with "Steppe_MLBA", which were the Persians and Aryans of India.

This here is also the "ANE" composition:

You are the retarded, you dumb product of rape. WHG were seeded by migrating farmers, and invading steppe men.

Her facial morphology is true native WHG aka Non-Caucasoid.

No, they're not. There 3 populations in which Europeans take ancestry:
The West Hunter Gatherers were Blue eyed, dark haired and brown skinned
The Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer were Blue eyed, blonde haired and white skinned.
The Eastern Hunter Gatherer, who had ~10% ANE ancestry, was Brown eyed, blonde haired and white skinned.
They're from the Middle East, they're the Farmers. They were white skinned, brown eyed and dark haired. They mixed with the WHG to create the EEF.
They were Blonde//Dark/Red haired, light skinned with Brown eyes. They mixed with the EHG to create the Yamnaya.

Step up your game, your knowledge is outdated.

Dumbass.

Yamnaya were EHG 50% + CHG 50%

EHG were 75% ANE!!!

Y-DNA R dencdents from ANE genetic component.

Y-DNA R and it's ancestors are all from Asia.

Y-DNA K2b – > Y-DNA P -> Y-DNA R

Y-DNA R (& it's ancestors) is only haplogroup in Europe that comes from deep inside Asia.

She looks like a half Mong with dyed hair.

You have outdated knowledge. But you're correct about general appearance.
Really, look how many papers you've lost:


No one uses the ANE model anymore, because they've found the CHG.
Also, EEF were an admixture of WHG who invaded Anatolia, mixed with Basal Eurasians and then returned to Europe.
There was a counter-conquest of WHG later, increasing WHG-dna in EEF.

Step up your game.

Yes, R comes from the MA1 boy, who cares?
Look here:

Yamnaya were half CHG aka women they kidnapped or raped on the way to Europe.


I know all that moron.

The fact is ANE and Y-DNA R (& it's ancestors) were not white. Proto-Indo-Europeans were 50% ANE.

Just because ANE and Y-DNA R raped it's way into Europe, taking local women, does not make it native to Europe lolol

Y-DNA I is native to Europe, not Y-DNA R.

They were NOT, they were 50% WHG and 50% CHG. Don't mistake EHG for ANE, because they were not "75%" like you said - they were basically WHG with ~10% ANE.
You're outadated.

Also, R appeared in the ANE population, yes, but nobody knows from which of the several ANE ancestries it came from.
Also, y-DNA is not Autosomal, it's meaningless, it's only useful to track migration paths.

By your logic, more y-DNA were too, like the Ancestral of R, or J.
You don't know, you were using fucking outdated models.

EHG**

Genetiker blogger is not a scientific study, you dumbass

ANE was never European, it's the smallest component in Europe.

Lazaridis et al. (2016) describes ANE as "a population on the Onge→Han cline.".

It directly descends from ancient South Eurasians (ASE)

Y-DNA K2b -> Y-DNA P -> Y-DNA R

ASE - > ANE

follow the trail, Idiot.

Go read Lazaridis et al. (2016), he clearly states EHG were 75% ANE!!!

Also, Basal Eurasians, WHG, EHG, SHG, CHG - they're all of the Caucasoid race.
WHG were Caucasoids.

When I said it was? He just breaks the ANE ancestry.
ANE is ANE, and ANE is composed mainly by European Hunter Gatherer components, +50%

Holy Hell, you're talking about the ASI ancestry in them? It was not as nearly as prevalent as the European one. It was only ~15%.
Lazaridis is also a retard who keep retracting what he says, it's not even an Onge components, but ASI.

Guess where "K" was in the Paleolithic?

You're outdated, kill yourself Reddit-spacing faggot.

K is not found anywhere, idiot.

K1b is found in Siberia, aka genetically closer to ASIANS.

K1b is ancestor Y-DNA N and O.

Again, NOT European.

Just because Y-DNA R raped it's way into Europe does not make it Europeans lol

It's found in paleolithic Europe, Mr. Know-Nothing.
It separated from IJK.


This was a clade pertaining to European Hunter Gatherers.
It is European, and again, haplogroups mean nothing, it's not aDNA.

Try harder.

Bhaaha, NOPE! IJK means nothing. It's is most definitely unclassified Y-DNA I - it's one of oldest living haplogroup there.

FACT : Y-DNA R (it's ancestors) are all from Asia.

Deal with it.

HIJK> IJK > K > P > R
That's all from the European Hunter Gatherer lineage.
It's not Asiatic in its Genetic Origin, meaning not Mongoloid nor Australoid nor Amerindian.
They probably raped every other admixture they had, such as ASI, Amerindian and more.
I really don't mind, geography has nothing to do with genetics.
Europeans can live in America, this doesn't make them any less European.

yDNA means nothing, again, The ones who carried R were all Europeans either way.
I'm not the misinformed one, dishonest shill.

Nope.

Caucasoid facial morphology does not arrive to Europe until Neolithic era.

Europeans are mutt between non-Caucasoid (WHG & ANE) and Caucasoids (basal-rich EEF)

Majority of European facial morphology falls between these two types above. (Non-Caucasoid + Caucasoid)

Keep dreaming product of MASS rape. That is Y-DNA I.

There is no Y-DNA K, Y-DNA K1a, K1b, K2a, K2b, Y-DNA P in Europe.

Y-DNA R and it's ancestors (Y-DNA K2b, Y-DNA P) are all from Asia.

There is no Basal-admixture aka (Mid Eastern/Caucasoid) admixture in Asia or Australasia or Native American but Europeans do since Neolithic lololol

So outdated…

Every society in the world was.
It's not, it's the Ancestral Clade before the separation. This is very known already for fuck's sake, don't get half-measures in your readings.
They came from Europe, this is well attested in Mammut Hunting migration theories.
Just like Central Asia was inhabited by Europeans before the Turk and Mongol invasions, so was Siberia - they also mixed heavy with their populations there, but their y-Lineage continued being the one from Europe, which means that they were the one raping those Australoids/Mongoloids/Amerindiands - just like its Indo-European descendants would do in the future.

Caucasoids in Asia, sure, which is nothing new.

Caucasoids are not only Basal, they are WHG, SHG, EHG and CHG as well.
But yes? There was no admixture - there is today. Basals were people who didn't migrate out of the Middle East during the Ice Age, no big deal?

Try harder, reddit.

WTF does Kostenki14 have to do with this? Kostenki14 man was Y-DNA C

Also

Shovel shaped insisons are Caucasoid now? LOL you dumb low IQ euro.

That study said : "Both central and lateral incisors have a shovel shape of the lingual surface. It is not developed to such a degree that we can speak about an individual affinity to Mongoloid populations, but it is expressed more strongly than in the tropical complexes and is not, accompanied by the enlargement of the lingual cusp."

I don't care about Kostenki14 man, nothing to do with ANE.


Keep dreaming product of rape. WHG and ANE were not Caucasoid.

yDNA C, but he was part of the ANE complex.
You're mistaking Haplogroups for Autosomals, you don't know shit.

Are you talking about rs3827760? Sorry, neither Kostenki nor MA1 had it.

They were, and you are no-one to claim otherwise.
You don't even knew about CHGs… God, what an idiot.

Those CHG DNA sampled skeletons in Georgia were 13300BP, so close to the time of Gobekli Tepe and perhaps its makers. Also pre-EEF etc.

The importance of Gobekli Tepe is multifaceted:
the date, 12000BP is prepottery neolithic A, no other megaliths have been dated repeatedly to that age,
the size of the structure (where are any previous similar structures),
the religious or cultural implications of the carved heads and sacrificial animal bones indicate large group cooperation,
the curious carvings on the pillars which could be messages or warnings and
The fact that it was then deliberately buried under tons of soil???

Also there are several structures in central and South America that are actually dated to 14500-15000BP. Which indicates a level of sophistication beyond hunter gatherer settlement, in turn indicating a significant civilization and knowledge in that area.

Nope, No Basal-Mutt admixture in Asia. Still pure Crown Eurasian genetic cluster.

There is no tainted basal-rich cuckasoid admixture in Asia, unlike in Europe which went from WHG (one of Crown Eurasian) to Basal-enriched cuckasian mutts.


Nope, Asian. Even pottery in Europe came from Asia lolol

ANE population introduced first HG egg pottery to Europe. Those Proto-Indo-European pottery (egg shaped) pottery first arrivel to Europe in Samara region with ANE groups, who bought these technique from Asia.

Are you fucking stupid? Yes, Kostenki did have shovel shaped incision and Mal'ta Buret boy was not Caucasian.

Recent study on SHG : 3 out 6 SHG carried alleles for EDAR gene - gene associated with "shovel-shaped teeth and hair thickness phenotype" in Asians.

Deal with it, you're a basal-mutt now.

HAHAHAHA
What were the Indo-Europeans? They gave indirectly Basal/CHG/EHG admixture to the Whole of Siberia, Central Asia and South Asia.


Orange is Basal, Blue is EHG and Teal is CHG.

Are you talking about what part of Asia? Before the Indo-Europeans, there weren't alright, but after then? Of course there was.

You're retarded. Europeans went to Asia, raped their women and came back to Europe. That's ANE.
If by "Asia" you mean Atayal/Nganasan, Japanese, Chinese, etc - they indeed had no participation at all in this story.
But you still don't know the difference between Haplogroups and Autosomal DNA, you're an imbecile.

You mean the ANE population, who were European-genetically who raped Australoids/Amerinoids/Mongoloids who lived in Siberia made pots and that they introduced it to EHG later?

This is known, nothing new.
Asia is a Geographical location.
Asians are people who live there, it doesn't mean that they're Mongoloids - again, Caucasoids lived in Asia.
This is genetically attested

Try harder, idiot.

Japanese ancestors = pottery master race. Agreed. Also good with tea. And?

It didn't. You see that rs3827760 there? with the "AA"? That means: he didn't have.

Again:

ALL because ANE explorers (aka Y-DNA R males) raped their way from steppes into Europe. Only thing they brought back to Asia were Euro women to slave-trade.

Steppe men took many women. Yamnaya themselves had some 9 mtDNA haplogroups for just two Y-DNA R males.


Dumb ape, those are outdated admixture stats.


Bahaha

In your dreams, Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) are descend from Ancient South Eurasian (ASE).

This is genetically attested.

>>>/pdf/757

HAHAHAHA, have you saw the Autosomal of Indo-Europeans? They were… Europeans! Here, I made an OC for stupid people like you here:


They're not, not at all. It's from Haak et al 2015.
There is another such as this, by Lazardis that says the same thing:

Also, before you say that "ASE" exists, they did not.
The population are being remodeled as ANI (Ancient North Indians) and ASI (Ancient South Indians) because the ASE model has been scrapped already.

Also, it has nothing to do with East Asians such as the Chinese-like or Southeast Asians - they had a separate history from the ANE cluster.

Now go away, shoo shoo.

BAHAHAHAHA

Yes, i have, have you? They were 50% ANE autosomal DNA. ANE is smallest genetic component in Europe. Sardinians have 0% ANE.

ALL steppe groups were ANE-rich groups.

Proto-Indo-Europeans cluster with ANE.

Europeans DO NOT cluster with ANE. Europeans instead cluster with WHG/EEF

Why do you smell like a (((them)))?

The deciphering tool were included, but the pure writing language didn't change after thousands of years? Come on!

No, you stupid moron.

ASE is synonyms with (ENA) aka Eastern Non-Africans.

ENA includes (East Asians, Southerast Asians, Onge, Austaliasans, Native Americans) who are all pure Crown Eurasians.

Crown Eurasians :(ENA/ASE, ANE, WHG). Basal is not part of that. Europeans are mixed with basal since Neolithic.

This thread is popcorn worthy.

You're just a shill.
They were not. I already said that they were 50% EHG and that EHG had ANE ancestry.
But guess what? The ANE were Europeans who ventured into Siberia!
Fuck off idiot.

They were, due to the EHG component.

They cluster with themselves. Do you know what's projection Bias? a PCA is actually a 3D figure transported to a 2D plane. ANE would be "bellow" while the Yamnaya "above".
Also, do you see with whom Steppe_EMBA and Steppe_LMBA cluster with? That's right, Europeans.


Christ, what a retard.

>(((them)))
You're (((them))), D&C shill.


It's not, not at all.
Hahahaha. Fucking kek'd - If you're talking about K=3, then they're separated already, outdated shit.
Basal is also Non-African, and so is WHG and CHG.

Your terminology is full antique, step up your game, outdated faggot. Nobody uses it anymore.
European Hunter Gatherers came from a Basal population who raped some Nganasan-ancestral and Amerindian-ancestral in 98% proportion.

Seriously, fuck off shill, you're clearly a shitskin of some sort butthurted to the core.

biorxiv.org/highwire/filestream/32767/field_highwire_adjunct_files/0/112714-1.pdf

Go to page 12 and see why you're full of shit.

Yes,they were you dumb low IQ Euro mutt. EHG were themselves 75% ANE.

Deal with it.


Yes, they do, you product of rape. That study was from 2016.


Bahahahah, you dumb outdated faggot.

Nope. NO. European HG had NO Basal admixture.

Nope. Kostenki14 does not have Basal, new studies says he does not.

'The genetic history of Ice Age Europe'.

nature.com/nature/journal/v534/n7606/full/nature17993.html

"A previous genetic analysis of early modern humans in Europe using data from the ~37,000-year-old Kostenki14 suggested that the population to which Kostenki14 belonged harboured within it the three major lineages that exist in mixed form in Europe today4, 15: (1) a lineage related to all later pre-Neolithic Europeans, (2) a ‘Basal Eurasian’ lineage that split from the ancestors of Europeans and east Asians before they separated from each other; and (3) a lineage related to the ~24,000-year-old Mal’ta1 from Siberia. With our more extensive sampling of Ice Age Europe, we find no support for this. When we test whether the ~45,000-year-old Ust’-Ishim—an early Eurasian without any evidence of Basal Eurasian ancestry—shares more alleles with one test individual or another by computing statistics of the form D(Test1, Test2; Ust’-Ishim, Mbuti), we find that the statistic is consistent with zero when the Test populations are any pre-Neolithic Europeans or present-day east Asians3, 13. This would not be expected if some of the pre-Neolithic Europeans, including Kostenki14, had Basal Eurasian ancestry."

Native Americans are pure Crown Eurasians (ANE + ENA).

Look here, uneducated shitskin:

Lazaridis was wrong about almost anything he said.
He even claims now that the Yamnaya must have at least some EEF ancestry.

And it already changed.

You're retarded, they had it and it clearly shows in K8.

>nature.com/nature/journal/v534/n7606/full/nature17993.html
Good to see that you're using my list from here:

He, just like European Hunter Gatherers, have pre-Basal. It shows in K8, deal with it.

Native Americans were, not anymore.

You sound like you have something to hide.
Why you so desperately want to know better than anyone else.

Because you have A (((NARRATIVE))) to lose. SHILL

GTFO SHILL GO BACK TO (((HOLLYWOOD)))

I'm not the shitskin here.
I'm all in pro-European.

He works for David Reich, you dumb basal-enriched mutt. Even in Haak et al. we can how Indo-Europeans and EHG clusters with ANE.

And, YES, Yamnaya were 50% ANE. It was their dominant genetic component.

Teunis was a fucking traitor!

Yeah yeah, (((Lazaridis))) and (((Reich))). Actually, they're colleagues, there's no dominance relationship.
But Ok, they're the leading Geneticists nowdays and I use many of their info.
But Lazaridis is a retard.

Have you opened this?

Page 12, try to understand that the ANE was an European population who migrated deep into Siberia and then came back.
You'll also see how different EHG are from ANE, they're not the same thing.
And that the ANE were Caucasoids.

You're just so full of shit. You're misinformation alive.
>eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/genetic-and-archaeological-continuity.html

Keep dreaming.

Crown Eurasians and Basal is typical model.

You'll be crying yourself to sleep if you knew what their next model will look like. It will connect all Crown Eurasians, making Europeans mutt between Crown Eurasians and Basal lololol

Nope, ANE is genetically closer to Asians.

Y-DNA R and it's ancestors (Y-DNA K2b, Y-DNA P) itself proves it.

ANE is smallest genetic component in Europe, it peaks OUTSIDE Europe.

P.S : Bust of Karelian hunter-gatherer aka Y-DNA R1a and mtDNA C aka one of the "EHG"

FAKE NEWS

And you have no answer anymore, because you were laid to waste…

I already know, I have access to info because I work in the area.
Their next paper is about India, though, confirming two things:

Keep crying.
Pic related is a model for Eurasia. A modern Model, not the shit you have.


Your Mongoloid dream is nothing but wishful thinking

It peaks in population with high Aryan ancestry, because of the Yamanya's EHG ancestry.
Have you opened it?


ANE were Caucasoids, deal with it, there's nothing that supports them being Mongoloids even because that was their smallest ancestry. He was largely Caucasoid+Australoid with a little Amerindian and THEN Siberian.

Familiar with Thor Heyerdahl?
The RA Expeditions is a good book. Discusses use of Reed Boats for transit from Atlantic Coast of Africa to South America, then from Pacific Coast of S. America (Peru, Lake Titicaca reed boat culture) to Easter Island. Totora reed grows on Easter Island, & paleobotany indicates that it was introduced.

Of course, just where the reed-boat builders (who, Heyerdahl presumes, brought Pyramid-building culture with them) originated from is in question. His theory was that they were the ancient Egyptians…who were "huwite"?

Bahhaahha a fucking chart MADE by a blogger!!! Not even a fuckin scientific study.

Mine was from Lazaridi et al. (2016)

You're one dumb basal-enriched mutt.


That has already come true with ANE, you basal-enriched ape.

Asian Y-DNA R and Y-DNA N have seeded Europe now. You're product of rape.

Look where ANE descend from lolol

East Eurasians -> ANE → RAPE EUROPE.

[email protected] samefagging champ. Forget about IDs?
Several different agendas going on in this thread.

I am an idiot & don't know how to use an imageboard.

I'm well aware of the fact that you could use either the context of my post, or my id, to know that both posts were by me. I was trying to maintain continuity of my response to yours across two posts because I'm a fucking spaz right now.

There's only this Mongoloid retard here

Which I'm trying to make disappear.

But well,

Again with this? Last year is already a lot of time. Most of the information changed with the discovery of CHG.
I'll let this Face-projection of an Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer, despair as he's not Mongoloid.

anyway, I don't agree with Heyerdahl in toto; he seemed to be a bit pozzed as he went into his dotage. But it is interesting evidence, certainly the connection of Peru & Easter Island.

I have a buddy who's really into Hancock. He snagged a girlfriend who is into mythology & stuff, too. Lucky guy, I suppose. Do I owe it to him to lead him astray from possible disinfo?

Pre-Ice-Age Civilization, like, Finno-Korean Hyperwar? heh.

Now, please…
MA1 and the ANE peoples were Europeans who migrated into Asia and fucked the shit out of them.
Afontova Gora was even blonde.

Now, please, fuck off.
—————————————————-
Mal’ta 1

globe4

57.69% European
31.79% Amerindian
7.16% Asian
3.37% African
globe10

37.79% Atlantic_Baltic
21.36% Amerindian
20.47% South_Asian
14.54% West_Asian
3.50% Siberian
1.71% Neo_African
0.62% Australasian
0.01% Palaeo_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southern
globe13

45.62% North_European
16.52% South_Asian
16.03% Amerindian
10.82% West_Asian
8.48% Arctic
1.27% West_African
0.67% Australasian
0.60% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Mediterranean
0.00% Palaeo_African
0.00% Siberian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
K7b

40.26% Atlantic_Baltic
23.06% South_Asian
20.86% West_Asian
14.01% Siberian
1.80% African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southern
K10a

50.42% Atlantic_Baltic
20.72% South_Asian
16.25% Siberian
10.89% West_Asian
1.71% Sub_Saharan
0.01% Palaeoafrican
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Mediterranean
0.00% Red_Sea
0.00% Southeast_Asian
K12b

44.27% North_European
24.73% Gedrosia
15.50% South_Asian
13.76% Siberian
1.73% Sub_Saharan
0.01% East_African
0.00% Atlantic_Med
0.00% Caucasus
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
dv3

34.62% West_European
27.30% South_Asian
20.22% East_European
15.36% Northeast_Asian
1.40% Neo_African
1.02% Palaeo_African
0.06% Mediterranean
0.01% West_Asian
0.00% East_African
0.00% Northwest_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
MDLP World-22

31.00% North-East-European
14.44% Samoedic
12.62% Indian
12.40% North-Amerind
8.99% Indo-Iranian
7.21% Mesoamerican
4.75% West-Asian
3.96% North-European-Mesolithic
1.96% Sub-Saharian
1.57% South-America_Amerind
1.03% Arctic-Amerind
0.07% Austronesian
0.00% Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic
0.00% East-Siberean
0.00% East-South-Asian
0.00% Indo-Tibetan
0.00% Melanesian
0.00% Near_East
0.00% North-Siberean
0.00% Paleo-Siberian
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% South-African
Old World 26

27.95% Finnish
25.40% Burusho
12.62% Gujarati
8.58% Kalash
5.16% Yakut
4.36% Brahui
4.02% Basque
2.20% Archaic
1.47% Dai
1.14% Yoruba
1.08% Papuan
1.03% Sardinian
0.74% Naxi
0.72% San
0.65% Melanesian
0.55% Mbuti-Pygmy
0.47% Kenya-Bantu
0.42% Biaka-Pygmy
0.38% Lahu
0.36% Mandenka
0.32% Palestinian
0.19% She
0.18% Japanese
0.00% Bedouin
0.00% Druze
0.00% Mozabite

I see, I misunderstood you.

Bahaha. That facial morphology is vague guess, unlike living population who are WHG enriched. It is not based on alleles SHG carried. Other geneticists have criticized on it.

On top of that, SHG was only 19% ANE

Bhaaha, this low IQ basal-enriched mutt can't even read his own fucking maps!

Look at your own damn maps, ape. Even on your charts we can see how MA-1 closer to Mari and peaks OUTSIDE Europe.

None of those admixture are based actual genetic study.

Go pull your low IQ shit somewhere else.


So do Y-DNA P carriers in Oceania aka Ancestor of Y-DNA R.

It was selected for Europeans, its not native to Europe.

Now, please, fuck off.

Here's Afontova Gora to you, despair:
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globe4

70.95% Caucasoid (“European”)
28.11% Indianid (“Amerindian”)
0.91% Negroid (“African”)
0.03% Mongoloid (“Asian”)
globe13

62.62% Nordic (“North_European”)
11.87% Indianid (“Amerindian”)
10.70% Alpine (“West_Asian”)
7.45% Veddoid (“South_Asian”)
6.54% Eskimid (“Arctic”)
0.61% Paleo-Negrid (“West_African”)
0.13% Melanesid (“Australasian”)
0.07% Nilotid (“East_African”)
0.00% Capoid (“Palaeo_African”)
0.00% Mediterranean (“Mediterranean”)
0.00% Orientalid (“Southwest_Asian”)
0.00% Sinid (“East_Asian”)
0.00% Tungid (“Siberian”)
MDLP World-22

46.23% Aryan Nordic (“North-East-European”)
10.32% Uralid (“Samoedic”)
9.18% Alpine (“West-Asian”)
7.95% Cro-Magnon Nordic (“North-European-Mesolithic”)
5.58% Brazilid (“South-America_Amerind”)
4.73% North-Indid (“Indo-Iranian”)
4.47% Eskimid (“Arctic-Amerind”)
4.43% Pacifid (“North-Amerind”)
3.88% Centralid (“Mesoamerican”)
2.73% Veddoid (“Indian”)
0.47% Negroid (“Sub-Saharian”)
0.02% East-Sibirid (“Paleo-Siberian”)
0.01% Mediterranean (“Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic”)
0.00% Australid (“Melanesian”)
0.00% Bambutid (“Pygmy”)
0.00% Capoid (“South-African”)
0.00% Melanesid (“Austronesian”)
0.00% Orientalid (“Near_East”)
0.00% Qiangid (“Indo-Tibetan”)
0.00% Sinid (“East-South-Asian”)
0.00% Tungid (“East-Siberean”)
0.00% West-Sibirid (“North-Siberean”)

They were Caucasoids
They went East into Siberia hunting Mammoths, they started with haplogroups IJK, then K, then P the R, they stayed there for a long time
In this time, they fucked Australoids/Amerindians and whatever else.
Then they came back to Europe because the Mammoths ended
There they mixed with the EHG

Fucking shit, it's not hard.
Since the beginning you did not know about the CHG, basic concepts such as Autosomal DNA and who were Caucasoids and who weren't.

Good post plus dubs.

How do you feel having feces colored skin?
The first is a shifting in ancestry caused by him fucking Australoids and Amerindians
BUT HE STILL HAS THE MOST EUROPEAN LINEAGE, BOTH IN Y-DNA AND AUTOSOMAL
But Of Course! They fucked Amerindians and Australoids! Of course they would shift away from Europe
That's Obvious
But they were European in Origin, the yDNA proves it and so does the Autosomal.

Also, the Ancestry frequency bellow the PCA shows that the American Indians had loads of ANE.
BUT NOT THE REVERSE
ANEs hadn't that much of Amerindian and in fact had lots more of European.

Low IQ basal-enriched mutt.

Your fake admixtures is not scientific journal study.

We already know what genetic studies says about ANE and where it descends from.

Europe is nothing but a rape sinkhole.

Y-DNA R and Y-DNA N raped their way into it. Just like Basal-enriched farmers in Neolithic.

Y-DNA R and it's ancestors Y-DNA K2b, Y-DNA P are deep inside Asia, Oceania and Australasia. Pure Crown Eurasians with no Basal admixture.

You know what? As a shitskin yourself, you'll never see how much wrong you are, even when i'm tossing you admixture analysis, papers and whatnot.

You only spill the same shit all the time, you don't know what autosomal is, you think yDNA is all the DNA someone has.

But the worst of it all? It's that what you have is called envy, and hatred.
You'll never agree that ANEs were Caucasians because you don't want them to be, you hate Caucasians, you're intellectually dishonest.
Look at this:
No one here believes you, you're a fucking retard who knows nothing about Genetics trying to make a point against us because of your biases.

ANEs were Caucasians, their admixture shows that.
EHG, SHG, WHG, Basal and CHG were also Caucasians.
There were 3 Caucasian races and that's from where Europeans come from, the ANE period was an extravaganza and today Europeans have little from that non-Caucasoid, noise-type populations.
R is ours
Stay in envy, we Europeans might become extinct in the future, but we've managed to rule the World and Nature like no other race has ever managed, and when we go down, everybody else will go to - the world is sustained by us, people around the globe live in a high standard because of us, thus no more if we disappear.

Enjoy your sad existence.

>(((Lazaridis))) and (((Reich)))
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

Yes, they're pretty open about it.
Look at video related for instance, it's also a good tl;dr of it all.

…at some point, Klingonesque philosophies like this died out, purely because of stupidity.

You dont understand concepts such as population density, freedom of movement, and the effects of those things on societal development?

I despise this shit. As soon as people remind you of the bastardization of Iberia, Southern Italy and Southern Balkans, you try and hide behind Germany and Poland.

This is about haplogroups; the reporters are completely fucking retarded and so are you. You can be 0.1% European and still have the haplogroup. On an individual level it is useless, but can be used to analyze populations.

Zahi Hawass is gone now, so DNA testing of mummies is no longer forbidden. The Max Planck Institute already managed to get nuclear DNA from three ancient Egyptian mummies (they were commoners) and determined that the closest living population to them are the Sardinians, but the mtDNA was closest to the Bedouin/Palestinian/Arabian. They had to test over 100 mummies to get those 3 samples, about 2%. Next time, I hope they test the Royals instead of the commoners now that they proved that it's possible.

svante paabo is a massive cuck btw.

Your Aryans ancestors' tech and gubermints was "borrowed" from OUR Aryan ancestors'.

Even if you have a slight genetic advantage this doesn't change the fact that you were hide-wearing savages of near-nigger cultural level up to two millennia ago.

Welp, we kinda preferred to settle down and make world wonders instead of celebrating our freedom of movement by jumping from branch to branch.

Plus we had a thing called "writing" that allowed us to keep journals over our legendary explorations and trade routes instead of constantly trawling a bit further northwet chasing cod.

Drill the petrol pay the toll.

I've head of aurochs, direwolf, and heck horse back breeding.

Back breeding proto Europeans when?

Thank you for the two autists arguing in here.
Good ancient genetics discussion.

...

Now you're just being obvious Schlomo.

This isn't about practicability. An ancient people engaging in such war tactics are very unlikely to have been Aryans. You will find this aversion to "cowardly tactics" in almost any ancient society with Aryan blood (Celts, Germans, Romans, Greeks etc.)


It's why we're here user.

Thing is, they only started it all in 2015, and from zero, due to political biases against such researches and due to lack of technology to sample ancient peoples and cheaply too.
Both problems are solved now.

Since they started in 2015, they discovered a lot, and they kept changing the theories, in 2 years they went from complete speculation to a good model finally in 2017, and in 2 years time they'll change even more stuff I presume.
But one thing is right: they found the Aryans.

And what they found the Aryans did, say, spread everywhere, being the ancestors of Europeans, Persians, Aryans of India, Scythians and more was confirmed right.

Their next paper is about pre-Aryan India.


Man, listen here. Proto-Italians came from the Unetice Culture, which was more Germanic than today's Italians (the Celts came from this same culture).
But Italians are still pretty close to Germans in DNA so whatever.
Two things now:

>Population Density is everything. The First Farmers were extremely successful because their settlements were very populous. In an IQ distribution Graph, the Higher ones are often the least in %, so, if you have 10 people in a Tribe, and 2% of 140 IQ, you actually don't have anyone with 140 IQ. But if you have 10,000 people, you'll have 200 people with 140 IQ - and that's how civilizations were possible.

Machupichu doesn't have any pyramids.


What is the relation between the Biblical/apocryphal legends about giants/nephilim and/or Greek Titans with the "Ancient Aryans" in this context?


Be specific.


You probably say that to be as academically "correct" as possible and to differentiate yourself from the Ahnenerbe crowd, but "Aryan" is a racial, and PIE and geographical signifier. Equating them would be a category error. Kurgan hypothesis = Pontic Steppes = not Europe proper, geographically speaking.

And mythology, religious texts, oral traditions, dwellings, artifacts all confirm this? And now genetic pure science confirm this? 99% proof, so what the fuck is going on? Why don't they teach this at schools?

Yes
>And now genetic pure science confirm this?
And now yes, finally.
Well, even if it were in a Pro-White world, this is still too soon, they're still linking the puzzle pieces together. I would give it to be implemented in the Schools/Universities curriculum in ~5 years. They have to finish and polish some things, but the Aryan theory is no longer, it is a reality.
But well, we do not live in a Pro-White world, so expect it in Schools/Universities…… never? Maybe in Archaeology/Anthropology/Biology/Genetics but never outside.
Also, their agenda is to whitewash our history, they would never teach that then, they would probably stop teaching about pre-Medieval history or something on these lines.

I'm just thinking how it is even possible that they could go through this research. How did (((they))) allow the research to happen?

Because it's Jews themselves doing it. Many countries have barriers on these things as well precisely because they don't want to encourage these researches, such as Italy and Germany, who have laws tailored for that and had a history of post-WWII (((Academics))) advocating for deracialization of things, such as the (((Cavali-Sforza))) guy of the video, who's (((David Reich's))) hero.

But good news:
Even though all of that, the Biological sciences have been rejecting those (((post-WWII))) guys recently and are starting to do bad-goy researches - it's a trend in the Academia now, specially with things like Evolutionary Psychology, which is finally a non-Kiked Psychology after a hundred years.

Also, they started it as a hobby, like the video says.
They didn't expect to find that the Aryans were real for real.
I bet the (((Researches))) were trying to find some magic happiness in the ancient peoples and to "debunk" Racial theories, because that's what (((David Reich))), to this day, still says to be his mission - but the more deep they dig, the more differences they find, and the more they realize the world was a barbaric rape-fest in the past (because of yDNA shifts, which means Men genociding other Men and taking their women).

They're basically finding everything they didn't want to find.

Caution. It all depends on types and size of samples.

Even more caution. History and archeology are the most political fields imaginable. Those are NEVER neutral or objective fields.

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Non-sequitur. Many fields are needed to ascertain the past. Genetics as well as archeology and comparative mythology.


Well said. This is true.


This. The field of (medical) genetics is hugely, overwhelmingly Jewish. Not an insult, just statistics; the amoutn of ethnically Jewih researchers staggers the mind. Probably has to do with the enormous list of Jew-specific genetic diseases.

>Even though all of that, the Biological sciences have been rejecting those (((post-WWII))) guys recently and are starting to do bad-goy researches - it's a trend in the Academia now, specially with things like Evolutionary Psychology, which is finally a non-Kiked Psychology after a hundred years.
Nerds have to get their shit together. For all the STEM gung-ho attitude they pretty much always caved in to fembeasts and racecucks in the past.

Okay, I now finally understand why Ancient Aliens (which have given very good tips of many locations) is available to be on air so many seasons and is allowed to be shown. It's like a valve for (((them))) to release the energy of potentially very hazardous and important dam if the right people recognize the pattern.

And that's exactly why these topics are under heavy bombardment of (((shills))).

I wonder what Katy Perry would think of these ideas after knowing all this shit what is known here..

Jordan Peterson is part of (((them)))? I think… Yes.

What the fuck does this blown-out bitch got to do with this topic


To be honest, he always struck me as partially Jewish, or at least semito-levantine.

Katy Perry once said her favorite tv-series is Ancient Aliens. That just remained in my mind, especially because so many "tv-star" mention that their favorite tv-series are always something netflix BULLSHIT. Ancient Aliens is not that bad, it's obvious remark that people who watches it at least have some kind of curiosioty of the TRUE past of the origin of mankind and our history.

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In other people, perhaps, but this bitch is 100% NWO whore-of-Babylon territory, pushing the fake alien/Bluebeam agenda. All those fake "releases" during the last 6-18 months, the pronouncements by establishmentarians like that Canadian ex-minister, the Vatican observatory, NASA… the time draws near. Don't fall for it.

And what the fuck is up with that porno ad at the bottom. Fucking kike mods.

It was exactly the other way around. The Celts, all varieties of them, were what everyone is calling Aryans. So was every succeeding wave of conquest, from the Angles and Saxons and Jutes, to the Normans. The "Celts" were merely the first Indo-European group to invade the British Isles.

There's some good links here, and some enticing information. I haven't read every post thoroughly, but I haven't seen anyone nail the current (and ever-changing) understanding of this huge event in European history.

The best write-up I've seen so far is here: www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA. Scroll down to the box saying, "Did the Indo-Europeans really invade Western Europe?" The page is about male Y haplogroup R1b, THE dominant haplogroup of Europe and especially the "Celtic" parts of the British Isles. It's also one of the chief haplogroups of the Indo-Europeans.

My haplogroup is I2a, one of the very first to cross over Doggerland into Britain. We were the White Hunter Gatherers. I'm lucky to be here today, because the male Indo-Europeans almost wiped us out. A recent study estimated a 90% replacement rate of White Hunter Gathers and Neolithic Farmers by the Indo-Europeans.

The Indo-Europeans just go to Western Europe, the also went to Eastern Europe, Asia, and the Mediterranean, too. About 30% of Roman men were either R1b or R1a. They were only about 10% in Greece.

Their descendants can be found all around the globe, but notable populations survived in not only Western Europe, but in Iran and India, as well as areas in the Asian steppes.

The spread of MtDNA vs. Y DNA proves that the invasions of Western Europe and the British Isles was primarily men, with few women. Studies of the female haplogroups show that most of the native lines still exist, and far outnumber those of Indo-European women. Europeans are primarily the descendants of WHG and Neolithic Farmer mothers and Indo-European fathers.

If Aryans were so grate, why didn't they have advanced weapons to kill their enemies?

I always skim through these threads and I always leave with that just about all Europeans are mere pygmies of their ancestors who were 8-9+ feet tall, extremely smart, beautiful and as strong as a bear.
While were all short, fat and stupid comparatively.
sage for shitty blog post

They didn't need them.


Speak for yourself.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

How about those guys in Vedas that are said to be at least 100 ft long and lived 1000 years?

Why didn't they need them if their enemies had weapons?

They invented the Wheel, the Cart and domesticated the Horse.
Their carriages were mortal and part of their military success, it was copied by everybody.

I was just kdding, what says is true. They basically invented mounted warfare and used it to subjugate large swathes of the known, post-glacial world.

This thread is awesome-tistic.
Love the (((d&c shills))) being btfo.
New thread when?

They DID, dumbass nigger, for the time. They had several "advanced" things, including bronze weapons and armor, chariots, and horses they rode into battle. These were all new things at the time, and coupled with a warrior class, gave them the edge to ride roughshod over most of the people they encountered.

The most amazing thing of all, to me, is not the differences modern science is finding with the older understandings of who the Aryans (Indo-Europeans) were, but how much of it is being proved true. Genetics is confirming most, but not all, of what Hitler and the National Socialist believed about them.

It is important to remember, however, that these people didn't spring up out of thin air, but developed over time from previous populations of humans during periods of isolation in glacial refuges, like all the other European peoples. Even though I'm not a direct descendant of these people, I recognize something special about them.

The real question is how the fuck did we all (except subsaharan negroids) get Neanderthal admixture.

From our ancestors fucking Neanderthals, of course. The real question is, where did Neanderthals come from if they're so very different from us and sub-Saharan niggers.

They're the degenerate remains of an earlier subcycle of humanity.

The recognisition is in your blood..

Have you ever seen a deer, a cat, a dog or any other animal in front of a source of light and noticed how their eyes glow like a candle. Have you ever tried to do the same for any human being? Why don't their eyes glow in the darkness like every other nocturnal creatures eyes?

Humans are not adapted for this whole fucking planet at least. We have no power to challenge any other animal in 1v1 fight without weapons, we have no claws, we have no teeth, we have no speed. We are slow as fuck, we cannot climb, we cannot hide underneath the soil, we cannot dig, we cannot swim as fast any other amphibious creature, we cannot dive for a long period of time, we are no fish. We have no poison to stick for anyone, we have no electricity in ourselves to shock anyone, we have no any other advantages. So who the hell are we? We are like compromises of the compromise itself, like not good in anything but below than average in everything. But if it's our brain, how did we gain the knowledge of mythologies at that time of existence when we were the most vulnerable for the nature and our enemies in it?

Dumbass, what do you think red eye on a picture is? They just have larger pupils, so you can see this effect from a wider angle.

Redeye isn't even near what is true nocturnal animal eyes. Humans can't see in darkness, but ask your cat if she can, she surely can. So what the fuck humans are even doing in this planet.

You're a retard, really, how can you arrive in such stupid conclusions for such a mundane and simple phenomena?

Again, eye glow/red eye is entirely a function of pupil diameter. Humans have excellent color and pattern recognition.

Saying that humans are poorly adapted to earth due to the lack of natural built in weapons is also stupid. It's the equivalent of saying that D&D mages are poorly adapted compared to swordsmen because they have no fighting ability without their magic. Our intelligence and creativity allows us to adapt our environment to us. The success of humanity in both breeding and dominance over all other creatures is alone proof of this, and is a disproof of the method of innate physical defenses and weapons.

And there is one place where a human can out compete animals, endurance. Africans, even with their awful IQ, have figured out that they can simply jog after an animal for a week until it dies of exhaustion.

(((Shill))) get the fuck out of here.

Can you see in complete pitch black darkness really? Can you hear or can you smell any other animal from the surroundings? Ask your dog can he smell an animal from 3 miles away, and yes, he will answer for sure. Can you hear like a bat? Can you see like a cat? Smell like a dog?

Endurance-hunting is just this late post-glacial thing.

*where you have weapons to kill and also ability to run only with two feet

I'm not you, imbecile, who thinks humans are not adapted to this planet.
Go learn basic biology, read a book, and you'll know, retard.

Is a bird sucking his dick on the right one?

==OERA LINDA BOOK=

HAIL WRALDA

HAIL FREYA

==HAIL FREYSIANS!=

sacred-texts.com/atl/olb/index.htm

Go away shill.

Non-sequitur. Yes, learn biology, but not just from any book, which are overwhelmingly tainted by (((darwinism))).

This cultural nigger right here…


Polytheistic religions do not seek to explain the actions of nature, they seem to characterize the interaction between humanity and wild nature so that it can be understood on a deeper level. By observing nature through a purely scientific mindset, one cannot see the subtleties in the way that form of nature interacts with us as humans.

What's wrong with evolution?

Nothing, he's a fanatic.

Micro-evolution in the sense of adaptation to local circumstances is real; development of completely new species ("macro-evolution") is not. It's complete hogwash without the slightest empirical support. Darwinism is a weaponized ideology explicitly created to weaken Western civilization's religious foundations (which does NOT mean I defend Christianity per se, especially not in its institutionalized forms). It's dogma, pure and simple, and can be easily destroyed logically as well as methodically if one studies the topic a bit.

There are many good authors and podcasts dissecting the topic; as a pithy and erudite overview I always recommend Jay Dyer: jaysanalysis.com/2014/02/14/audio-debate-is-darwinism-philosophical-scientific/

There's no such thing as "micro" and "macro" evolution, these are pseudo terms invented by the religious lobby and have no scientific ground.
There's only "evolution", and it means "change", not "progress".
Also, you're full of shit and the reason crazy people flock here.

Yeah. Just imagine if Hitler had managed to keep the 3rd Reich alive in some way.

No, I mean Freedom of Movement on the greater scale. Scandinavia wasnt even inhabited until a thousand years after the glaciers receded. Because the land was fucking barren.

The Steppes pf Eurasia used to be a single long highway from Korea to the French Atlantic coast. Then multiple groups of people collected in those areas, and eventually, choked off the mass migrations of people by easy means. Persia, Asian Minor Civilization (the Greeks), the Himalayas and China blocked off the Southern half of Asia from easy mass movement, and then Rome built up. These things built borders and required great effort and coordination to overcome.

Russia was inhabited for most of that time, but mostly by nomads. Until Germania and Poland became settled. The big deal with Russia is that freedom of movement was always there, so you couldnt collect taxes…or really do anything since the people would just fuck off and run away. Hell, the only major cities of note was a port city in the Black Sea owned by the Scythians. But they never really gave a shit. Then the Rurikids came along, built the Rus and Rus City states…..

That kind of thing. But youre a douchebag distracting shill attempting to play an idiot. Freedom of movement and the presence of people. Other people were always a dominant environmental factor. When people were thin on the ground, nothing larger than villages emerged, because thats all that could emerge.

And the far north simply couldnt be heavily populated that quickly for a variety of reasons.

See

Celts and Germans barely had bows worth a damn, and for the Greeks, it just wasnt practical to train for it.

But the Romans had ranged weapons.


Also….hate to break it to you, but war is, when battle is met, about producing the greatest slaughter upon the enemy for the least cost to yourself.

Mongols won that fight. That kind of complex command system wouldnt be seen for another thousand years.

Thank you!

As someone with a complete understanding of evolution, random mutatons, and natural selection (which btw can be summed up as those most adapted to a particular circumstance breeding more than those who are less adapted) I'd like you to tell me in 1-4 sentences what you mean by the difference between micro and macro evolution. Then tell me what is a species and how do you know two similar species are related or simply appear similar.

If you look into other scholarship from the (((Max Weber))) days you'll notice that there was considerable research showing that the "Aryans" came from the north. Ancient accounts agree that Hyperboreans were fair skinned, with light hair and eyes. The Vedas have similar information.

Marija Gimbutas was halfway there herself, her mistake was letting her ethnic pride get in the way of realizing the truth. Von Liebenfels and List are good introductions dating to before the total brainwash in academia was initiated, and now they're making discoveries in Doggerland.

Other resources worth consulting are the Oera Linda Book and the Chronicles of Eri.

What? Are you talking about saamis and other finno-ugric peoples?
Because what you would call scandinavians are north germanic

Wait, so that means that Assad is likely a descendant of Whites living in Levant before the Arab invasion?

are you fucking stupid

Until the Arab invasions, Levantines/North Africans had no Negroid admixture.

Slav is originally a linguistic, not an ethnic grouping, originating from the Slavic word for "word", and contrasting with the Germanic speakers, who were dubbed something akin to "the mute". Various groups became slavified sometime around the fall of Rome, including the Sarmatians (literal Aryans), various Finn/Ugrian tribes, some eastern Germanics, and possibly the Scythians to some extent. Historically, this probably had something to do with shifts in the power relations of groups in Eastern/Central Europe following the arrival of the Huns during the Migration Period.

See this:

Germanic and Slavic languages were closer in the past. But a thing that differentiate them a lot is that Germanic uses "mute" (P, F, T, S, K) consonants, white Slavic uses "vocal" (B, V, D, Z, G) ones.

Yes, the region was a clusterfuck of different Aryan peoples. But the major shift to increase the Slavic power there was Byzantium siding with them and destroying the Alans.

There any evidence of this? I only know the Polish stories, which mention Leszko I being the first to unite the Polans against the Alans, and then the Magyars later came in and basically killed them all, taking their land afterwards.

*Avars, not Alans

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Alanian is the only living Scythian language now.

If the Vedas were written in northern India then "north" could be a lot of places, seen a map recently?

Addendum:
This Byzantine+Persian war was the catalyst for the end of the 'Aryan World'.
The war ended in both Empires annihilating themselves
Persia used many tribes from Central Asia, which exhausted them and made the Turkic invasions of Central Asia possible.
Persia itself also got defenseless and with a pitiful army.
Byzantium burned everything it got too, and the Middle East+North Africa, including Egypt, was easy pray for the Arabs, which had first unified since ever due to Islam and when they militarized, they encountered both Byzantium and Persia destroyed - it was one of the most tragic coincidences in history, for both World powers to be n their weakest state and the Arabs in their highest mighty (they spent their whole history with infightings, and never leaving the Arab peninsula).

When the Turks went to Central Asia, they only found easy prey.
When the Arabs went to the Middle East+North Africa+Persia, they only found easy prey.

Because Byzantium and Persia self-destructed.

Which makes sense consider Carthage almost entirely destroyed Rome. Was hannibal wewuzkangz edition? Probably not.

They weren't written in northern India. They were written in the arctic regions and this is proved multiple times in the Vedas.

India merely preserved them.

The book you posted is just a theory and an old one.

Despite it being an old theory it is well supported. There is (((academic))) resistance from the Weberites of course.

You clearly didn't read the book, and the Wikipedia article is, like most regarding this subject, SJW paradise.

Also the book isn't the only evidence supporting this theory.

What theory? Thar Aryans came from Europe? That's obvious. "Arctic" just means North.
But it was written there, specially because the written Sanskrit never reached Europe and was developed in India by the Aryans from the Aramaic alphabet.

I've been wondering about that for a while, /polk/ thread about it has no replies

Almost isn't good enough, it never is. I notice all the time in history of all these supposedly brilliant military leaders from Hannibal, Stonewall Jackson, Napoleon, Hitler, etc but what use is it if they all lost? I never hear about real military geniuses like Genghis Khan who was literally undefeated and unstoppable more than Alexander the Great was, who got done in by Poo in Loos his soldiers were too scared to fight anymore.

When two greats go head to head one of them almost wins, deal with it.

Only kikes deal in semantics.

Read this.

and if you can get basic understanding and the implications of electromagnetism in the universe and on the earth.
thunderbolts.info
there will be revelations to be gained as of our previous course of our history.

Life on earth has most likely not been here for too long, planetary/interstellar electrical exchanges has casued dramatic and traumatic effects on this earth and other bodies in space. Recorded but not understood or studied in favor for the mathematical theories of (((gravity))).

Don't be a kike. You have to actually read the book, the Vedas provide testimony that a day lasted 1/2 a year in the original home of the Aryans.

Factually incorrect. I'm arguing on strictly scientific and logical grounds.

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MiE: adaptation of organisms to local circumstances, by individual changes as well as natural selection
MaE: creation of whole new species as a result of MiE (i.e. Darwinism). This latter one is what has no ground in empirical evidence.

The group of organisms able to breed viable offspring between themselves.

Define the term "related" first.

What is the difference between "individual changes" and "natural selection".

How many adaptations to local circumstances do you think it could take before one population, separated by say a large river, becomes two populations that can not create viable offspring?

Dangerously unchecked. Nice post as well.
Did any of you read thet Oera Linda Bok? I remember some of you being interested, and I'm interested what you make of it.

"Individual change" refers to the adaptation by one organism to his surroundings. E.g. a white person in the tropic developing first a sunburn, then, gradually, a tan. "Natural selection" refers to the differential process of organisms succesfully procreating or dying off according to the state of their adoptedness to the environment. So far, so good; this is (uncontroversial) micro-evolution.

This is my point - I'd like to see evidence that is what happens in the first place. Can it be done by biotechnology in the lab? Yes, probably. But Darwinism is the doctrine that natural selection is what led to the presence of the huge amounts of species in the world, and especially Man, and for that claim evidence has to be presented.

What is the difference between "individual changes" and "natural selection".

How many adaptations to local circumstances do you think it could take before one population, separated by say a large river, becomes two populations that can not create viable offspring?>>10595687
It has been, long before genetics as we know it in current year became so in depth.
The evidence is varying degrees of ability to interbreed. For example some species are so similar but would never interbreed even in the zoo, they don't like each others' smell or some other reason they don't get along. In the lab however a hybrid is possible.

Now without discussing genetics this discussion would be pointless so it is interesting you immediately threw it out as something false. On what evidence? Unknown.

If you use genetics and sequence DNA of various population groups and also use archaeology to help you sequence past populations you can see species that are distinct today, will not interbreed even if forced to in a lab, but were similar enough in the past to be capable of doing so. You will also find species that must be hybrids based on the type of genes found within them.

Interestingly enough, you are basing your rejection of evolution, that human races exist etc on a semitic religious book, yes?

These "definitions" change the fact that they came from Europe, which is correct, for the bullshit that they came from the Arctic, which is the cancer you're spilling.
They already know from where they came, Genetics already discovered it, it's not the Arctic, it's the Eastern European Steppe.
They wrote the Vedas in India, that's quite obvious due to the Sanskrit script. They may have recorded things from their homeland outside of India, but the Vedas were written there in India.


Please, don't mistake Esotericism with Reality.
Life on earth has most likely not been here for too long, planetary/interstellar electrical exchanges has casued dramatic and traumatic effects on this earth and other bodies in space. Recorded but not understood or studied in favor for the mathematical theories of (((gravity))).
Are spreading disinformation.

This still worth the delicious Perzun butthurt though.

I can't parse that sentence. What do you mean?

This is evidence for what exactly?

Yes, agree.

That's circular - you already presuppose that once, in the past, there was a common ancestor. But that's what has to be established as true in the first place. We have certain degress of genetic overlap; we have certain fossiles. What we don't have are precisely the missing links, not only between ape and man, but ALL of them.

Not necessarily. As you know, all known species share the same basic genetic alphabet, so overlapping sequences are to be expected.

Hold your horses - of course human races exist. It's Darwinian evolution I reject, and its concomitant, "out-of-Africa".

No, I'm arguing on purely scientific and logic grounds.

But wait, don't mistake the "300" war, which was this one here:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Persian_invasion_of_Greece

With the one who ended the Aryan world outside of Europe, which was this one here:
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine–Sasanian_wars

The 7th Century was the greatest disgrace in history.

You did not check his trips neither countered his argument though.

I did, because both he and Bal Gangadhar Tilak, mistaken Religious Myths with Reality.
They already answered the questions of the homeland, no Arctic, but Europe.

History is a continuum. We had always been at war with Persians ever since (((certain middle eastern influences))) made them abandon ethnicism and try to subdue the whole world under globalism.

Btw Alexander died young for his hybris.

Good post. That's also a major point of that Polish professor and hardcore anti-Islam guy, what's his name….


Not so fast. The problem is that, at the moment, we only have more or less detailed placeholder terms. For example WHG, "Western European Hunter Gatherers". This one and others like it are merely geo-economic descriptors, i.e. "people who hunted and gathered in Western Europe." Where did the racial type as such come from, i.e. the Aryan as a race? Genetics help us in studying the geneflows, but the Aryan as such, as the outer expression of those genes - where did he come from? A Jewish geneticist will say, of course, "out of Africa, developed from African hominids, adapted to conditions of lower sunlight", but the whole OOA building is based on false premises.

FFS, could people please get their terminology correct? "Esoteric" is not, I repeat NOT, a synonym of "false" or "imaginary". It merely means "hidden" or "destined for few". Nothing more, nothing less. Genetics itself, in fact, is a highly esoteric discipline.

Don't conflate those. "Atlantis" - in the sense of highly developed antediluvian civilizations - obviously existed, and there is actually good mythological and fossile evidence for the existence of comparably large prehistorical hominids - it all depends on where you put the cut-off mark for "giant".

I find it a bit suspicious that you keep referring to "aliens" when NOBODY in this thread mentioned aliens yet. Nobody.

Convert RGB to HSL, take L value
South Korea at 96%
Iceland at 96%
Ireland at 96%
Denmark at 95%
Norway at 95%
Japan at 93%
Sweden at 93%

Restore copts in egypt, expel arabs

But how will this undo mankind's lost of progress after the Finno-Korean Hyperwar?

Tell me if you remember, thanks.

These genetic studies so far made this rule:
The world can be separated into Africans and non-Africans
But evidence for OoA is extremely strong, and although not proved, every other competing theory has been loosing space.
People don't realize that Africans of today are not the same as Africans of the past either, Africans who remained in African mixed with ancestral hominids there and further isolated themselves from the ones who left Africa.
Also, this paper here, which is not out yet:

Actually, from this study here:
>journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1003912

They released the MI Average table, which puts Europeans at 29 (the lower the value, the lighter the skin) and East Asians at 31.8
Europeans also have more Light-skin Alleles than East Asians, which only have 1.

We have significantly above average endurance, allowing us to chase and track down prey over an extended period of time. The prey burn themselves out in short bursts of speed but eventually are so tired they collapse while our ancestors moved in for the kill. Hunter-Gather nigger.

More to this:
Here:

Fuck, it wasn't a Polish professor, it was a Yank, Dr. Bill Warner, the founder and director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI). Here is his part one of his "The True History of Muslim Conquests".


I think you mentioned this before. Definitely very interesting. Insofar as "African" is merely (please don't take me for a pedant here) a geographical expression, could it be more precise to speak of negroid protohumans vs. non-negroid "full" humans?

Probably to your chagrin this corresponds surprisingly well to some theosophic and metaphysical authors who alledge that (white) humanity, in its ascent, progressively sloughed off its more animalistic ancestral parts and relegated them more and more to the animal realm. Compare e.g. the Australian abbos, who, frankly, I wouldn't even properly call human. According to those authors, what we call animals, are, in fact, earlier attempts at creating Man. According to this view, then, the negroids who stayed in Africa would be the more rejected types who didn't or couldn't step into the futuro-Aryan train.

I highly admire your domain-specific knowledge on genetics. I really do. So don't take this as a critique. I just have the impression that we are talking about slightly different things. What I'm asking about is the Aryan human type - the light skinned, clear-eyed, ligh-haired, conquering and civilization-building type who invaded and "seeded" large swathes of Eurasia after the Ice Age. Basically what I get from your gene-flow-centric explications is that the constituent ancestral groups (WHG+ANE+CHG+EEF?) mixed and mingled in and near today's Ukraine until the Aryan Type spontaneously arose and began his tour of victories. It is THIS point - this seemingly spontaneous and very rapid culturo-genetical Big Bang - that I still find unexplained, despite all the detailed knowledge about the underlying gene-flows themselves.

What do you mean by "broken"? Could you direct me to some article to learn more about how to interpret those charts?

I think your disdain is misplaced. As much as we might want to pretend otherwise, humans seem to have an implicit need for overarching, meaningful meta-narratives. For those not into religions it automatically becomes this or that ideology, usually inferior in life outcomes (Marxism, Darwinism etc.).

Yes, I think we can agree here.

To be frank, I'm a bit wary against this muh peer review mantra. During the first half of my professional life I spent a few years in science myself, and know first-hand how dirty a business it can be "under the hood". Quotation cartels, favor-mongering, old men, competition for status and funding. Peer review is not the magical instant seal of truth™ many make it out to be, especially in such a highly political field as archeology. And with private researchers it's sometimes the obverse… Take e.g. Hancock - who IS a disinfo agent regarding some of his conclusions! -, but his empirical underwater work as such is extremely impressive, miles above what most oh-so official archeologist do in a life-time.

Yes, and it's indeed highly relative. For a 1,50m Indio or a Koisan, a 1,95m Dutch guy can already be a giant.

What do you mean by that?

Meh. Crazy or un-orthodoxy doesn't faze me much. Once one gets past the JQ, racialism and the holohoax, everything else can at least be contemplated without breaking a sweat.

Thank you very much for Dr. Bill Warner.

Sub-Sahaaran, Negroids. These are the guys who are different from everybody else in the world, not phenotypically (Negritos looks like them) but genotypically.
I didn't get it. "Negroid proto-humans" as in the earliest OoA ones? If that's what you meant, then no, the OoA Hominids were already different from the ones who stayed there and became Today's Negroids.
Now, "Human" is tricky, if you want to speak strictly scientifically, we're all humans, even the Neanderthal is considered.
But if you're talking in a more definitive sense - which I would agree with too - of "capable of building, imagining, higher humanity, discovery", etc, then I agree with you.
You can call then the most animalistic of humans, or the lowest of humans.

Not only you don't understand, this is a question asked throughout academia too, and not only regarding the Aryans.
They don't know what caused the "elevation of Sapience" in post-Ice Age humans either, specially because Hominids technologically evolved very slowly, with the "Homo sapiens" spending 290,000 of its supposed 300,000 years of existence in a primitive form.
Everything changed after the Ice Age due to the discovery of Agriculture by the Basal a.k.a. Orange people in the Middle East. But specially, I think, when they decided to Domesticate animals, which started around ~40,000 ybp with Dogs and Cats, but that was the most important when the Aryans adopted a Pastoralist lifestyle, domesticating Horses, Bulls and Sheep - this made them use Animal traction with their newly invented Carts, Carriages and Chariots.
A better use of Energy was the key for the revolution the world would see after that, because people would have a lot more free time and power, with these initial discoveries.

Here:

For instance, do you see that, in K8, the Motala guy stops being Blue and became 98% Orange, 1% Red and 1% Pink?
We know by looking at that that the European Hunter Gatherer was once an "Orange" population that mixed. Years and generations passed and he became his own thing, Blue.
The same process happened with the Arabs becoming Purple, for instance, when they mixed with East Africans in the distant past (a paper is about to be released about how and when this happened).

The Human body can only be tall enough before a series of developmental problems start happening. So, those 3,00m, 4,00m, 5,00m, 6,00m alleged peoples are hoaxes, as they are biological impossible.

Evolution has been tested and proven as the most correct model we have.

That the species come from a common past. Why else would they be able to interbreed.
What are your alternatives exactly to evolution? Is the earth less than 4 billion years old for example? What's your answer to all these points I'm making. Don't feign ignorance.

No it is not circular reasoning. We start with a group of populations that are found to be distinct species and then sequence their genetics. We look at fossils with enough reaining biomatter to sequenc DNA. We compare all the findings. What can be found is duplication and deletion of sets of genes, often to find new and more specialized function. When we use more than 1 ancient data point we can see when these things happen. Do you want to pull up a few thousand studies, cause I can do so, for you to peruse?

Man is ape; this suggests to me you are indeed arguing from a biblical standpoint and seeing humans as something other than natural organisms on this planet and from this planet.

That isn't entirely true.
We aren't discussing overlaps, but genes and genesets that are nearly identical to parent populations, persist in some degree in the presumed hybrids, that cannot function. They don't function because those genesets are particularly broken or not being expressed. They don't function because the other genes that complete whatever process those genes activate, are not found in those species. I can also pull up some studies for this, I hope you like reading.

If evolution is not a thing, and you base your ideas not on some religious doctrine but on science, then how did we get multiple races in the first place? (btw out of africa is a disproven model which I agree with you on, only kikes continue preaching it in current year)

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I'm not attacking evolution per se, i.e. the existence of local adaptation and natural selection (= micro-evolution). I'm specifically attacking Darwinism, which is the ideology that the variety of species came about as the result of micro-evolution consecutively acting on a series of common ancestors (= macro-evolution).

I don't understand the point you're making: who is able to interbreed? A species, by definition, is the set of organisms able to produce viable offspring. Organisms not of the same species are by definition not able to viably interbreed.

I'm still agnostic regarding the origin of life and the variety of species. It's not necessary to jump to some theory only because you don't have a good alternative at hand, especially given that Darwinism not only has great methodical, empirical and logical problems (the argument from homology is basically semiotics, development of new species has never been observed in the wild etc.), but it's history is also riddled with outright frauds (Haeckel, Millner etc.) and a clear political agenda.

I don't know. Much less is known about Earth than many people assume. Heck, we never even probed deeper than a lousy 12km (Kola borehole).

Genetics is a highly fascinating science, one I dabble in myself. The science and practice of genetics is not identical to or co-extensive with Darwinism, though (i.e. it's perfectly possible to be a geneticist and not be a Darwinist), and how what you described supports the hypothesis that species developed from a common ancestor is and still remains the question.

Due to his capacity for abstract thought, language and the creation of nature-dominating civilization, (white) man clearly occupies a supra-animal position among all species. No need to bring religion into this.

It's true enough, and this COULD theoretically be an argument in favor of your position ("one gene-set alphabet, from one common ancestor, see?"). It's not, but I have encountered it.

Yes, of course. No argument here.

The different human races? Yes, this is precisely the question, and I don't have an answer to it. The other user has very good insights into the gene-flows once (modern) man had already been established, and that the subsaharan negroid quasi-humans do indeed have an "ape-ish" aspect is clear, so there obviously was a lot of interbreeding going on from the earliest time. All I'm saying is that I reject the hypothesis of there being a line of descendance from some pre-sapient ape to modern white man.

Understood. An essentially sub-human hominoid, unfortunately and to our chagrin able to create fertile offspring with "ortho-humans". Of course, Darwin would have us to have a common ancestor with them in the remote past, but what's the evidence for that, really? That's what also the debate with that user is about.

Yes. Viable offspring = one species (although there is published evidence that interracial embryos have a higher incidence of spontaneous abortions, especially in more extreme cases as with abbos). Terminology is hyper-tricky in this field, that I already learned. For example the typical confusion between "the human species" and "the human race''' one race, goyim.

Their original, pure strain was perhaps even uglier and more primitive than today's negros, and only by early interbreeding with ortho-humans did they get a semblance of approachability, in comparison e.g. with the abbos, who even today look strikingly subhuman.

Which other hominoids beside Aryans? Did they achieve sapience at roughly the same time, too?

It's really fascinating. On a purely physiological-anatomical level the "hardware" seems to have been mostly there, but what was the "spark" that ignited the runaway process between brain power and techno-cultural creativity?

Yes, I think this is where Jared Diamond in Guns, Germs, Steel got it right. The Aryans really were the people of the horse and conquered Eurasia from its back. Why the long wait, though. between orthohuman OOA and Aryan expansian from the Pontic Steppe? Why didn't they domesticate the horse much earlier, especially given that the southern regions in those times were greener than today?

"East African" = the negroid subhumans mentioned above? Who then mated - by force or slavery - with orthohumans (proto-whites?) to create what we today call Semites/Arabs?

Well, I don't have an opinion on "ancient giants" and don't necessarily want to go into that right now, but those anatomical problems would only apply in overgrown standard humans, right? I.e. a different race or subspecies where that height would be part of the phenotypal standard profile would not necessarily have those problems. I mean e.g. giraffes and elephants are larger than humans but don't ipso facto have those.

So all these hybrids are just a joke? Tigers and Lions are the same species etc?

I am sorry but that isn't just skeptic, you just reject it because you feel it is wrong. I can't argue with feels. You win!

What makes you think I am? I actually think that a lot of foundation myths and so on are based on actual people and events.

You actually have to read the book, linking to wikis is not going to cut it. Even if you don't (it's pretty clear that you're not interested) other people will make up their own minds regarding the matter.

Arctic Home in the Vedas, Oera Linda Book, Chronicles of Eri, these are all redpills which indicate that the Proto-Indo-European was spoken in the Arctic regions, and these people moved S into NW Europe, and from there the IE migration proceeded southward.

Without reading the books you can't properly argue whether or not they're true, which leads to this improper arguing / pilpul you're trying in this thread.

I've read it, it's very interesting.
Basically:
It's worth a read.

Of course there isn't a line. It's more of a frayed knot. Comparisons between the various great apes and humans show multiple points of hybridization.

Your ancestors were apes. Then they fucked apes. Then they fucked some slightly different apes. Then a few got the fuck out of Africa, leaving all that ape fuckery behind them. Presumably your ancestors were among those. Three guesses which "humans" didn't.

My argument rests on evidence contained in several books, which obviously he hasn't read. It's simple handwaving.

This is the crux of the issue. A while back (forgive me for no cite) some SE Asian Muslim authored a very interesting paper which supported the multiple origin theory. Obvious to anybody with eyes that it's true, but because of the dreamy-eyed one world brainwash going on since WWII and even before, no Western scientist will touch the matter lest they be blackballed.

With the Swedes now destroying relics and artifacts because "they have too many" or whatever, I fear that there could be covert projects to cover up actual sites and finds which don't fit their agenda. They're more than willing to dig up a gem set in a ring from a find and declare that Islam was always in Europe (ignoring the Varangian guards who the Caliph favored and of which there is ample historical evidence and the probability that this was just booty) and this just betrays their agenda.

I no longer trust the academics and have decided to survey the available testimony for myself to the best of my ability.

If they can have fertle offspring, by definition they're part of the same species. I mean, that's not my argument; that's the standard definition within biology as a field.


It's the other way around - it's Darwinists who (implicitly or explicitly) argue "I'm an atheist, there must be a strict genealogical link between ape and man here. I haven't found any evidence for it, but it MUST be there!" What's the actual null hypothesis here regarding the origin of man?


What exactly are you referring to by "comparisons"? Overlapping sequences are not proof of descendance, and homology isn't, either.

It's certainly an interesting hypothesis - but where is the evidence? That is the central and crucial point. All the nice theorizing of the world rings hollow if you can't cough up the missing link. And they try, they really do.


Well said.

Good point. The "ancient giants" folks are deep into this, quoting (in my opinion) believable accounts of Smithsonian types and Jesuits covering up evidence contradicting either Darwinian or Catholic historiography.

Very much this. That's what many of the "you loonies XDD" crowd don't get. It's precisely because of having, directly or indirectly, witnessed the corruption of the actual scientific process as well as the flimsy foundations of much contemporary theorizing that opening for for fringier stuff develops in the first place. It's the same e.g. with flat-earthers or moonhoaxers. Once can laugh all one wants, but if .nasa hadn't brazenly lied about so many details, faked so much evidence (e.g. faux moonrocks, clear testimonial contradictions, ISS greenscreens etc.), those fringe movements wouldn't have grown so much in the first place. And it's the same with anthropology and archeology.

This is how Rabbi worshipers replaced our culture.

My paternal haplogroup is lm22 and my maternal is t2b.
European 98.6%
Eastern European 65.3%
Northwestern European 18.4%
Finnish 10.8%
Scandinavian 0.8%
Broadly Northwestern European 6.9%
Southern European 6.3%
Balkan 4.2%
Broadly Southern European 2.1%
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.6%
Broadly European 7.9%
East Asian & Native American 1.4%
East Asian 1.4%
Yakut 0.7%
Broadly East Asian 0.7%
Unassigned < 0.1%

AMA

youtube.com/watch?v=oOyabADvjAY
Hold strong, my fellow 6'2'' Chads.

It was not really a female governed society. Men ruled society, but they had virgin women who gave advice to the male ruling body. It's my personal theory that this institution is the forebear of the Vestal Virgins of Rome and the female Oracles of the Greek world. The institution survived in fragmented form in later Germanic society.

nigger, this is not how it works here. You don't doxx yourself or make AMA threads if You are a nobody. And your genes are fine IMO, You have my permission to breed. D-G bless, mister 0.6%.

But shared mutations are.

In your DNA.

Google CHLCA.

To the guy who's skeptic about Darwinism.
This here also

You're not even trying, there are competing definitions of species. Terms like subspecies, clines, races, and even the family and genus taxonomic ranks are not often clear enough especially when new species are found that challenge notions of what can interbreed with what.
For example, when there are 3 species and species 1 and 3 can not interbreed but they can both interbreed with species 2 and the hybrids (1-2 and 2-3) can interbreed with all 3.


Man is ape; The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, which includes modern Humans and its extinct relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal), and ancestors, such as Homo erectus.[1]
Null hypothesis for origin of man, you tell me because you are denying evidence.

I've drawn a diagram just for you, feel special.
So even without genetic evidence we could come to these findings but now we have more conclusive evidence by looking at existing genes. Consider species x y and z that exist today. So the way the investigation is done for this is usually backwards or filling in the middle once a strangely similar ancient fossil is found, but for sake of understanding I'm describing it chronologically. There are many examples of this btw great apes being one such story where we were actually suprised at the findings after genetic sequencing.
So at some point in the past such as 15 million years ago there is population n and it is successful at inhabiting a large area so populations become distant and eventually there is no significant genetic flow between the peripheries. At some point in time a population from n becomes entirely isolated and adapts to the niche it is found in, becoming completely separate from n even though it could still interbreed if the right situations existed (lack of contact). If we follow as little as 2 genes (much larger datasets are used nowadays with the efficiency of genetic sequencing). We can see the gene f persists in n and continues in the same form with v. Another gene b is not passed on to the isolated group but its similar allele gene c is passed on instead. Some major changes occur and v can now be classed as x and the gene f is now a mutated variant i. Over time the gene c further adapts and becomes e while i remains the same.
Population n was spread over a large area, so mush so that even without terrain barriers some population groups were able to adapt specifically and become specialized to their immediate environments. There was some genetic flow but a population z develops and gene f has a mutation h that becomes more useful, gene f no longer exists in population z but gene b does. Population n suffers from dramatic climate shifts in its core habitat and becomes population y to come, during the process b is replaced by d due to bottlenecks in population and f's mutation g becomes more useful and nearly entirely replaces allele f.
By sequencing old fossils we can pinpoint the time of mutations, even ones that mutate in noncoding parts of DNA and sometimes especially those because they can become missing or duplicated with no apparent effects on the organisms. Not only due to geographic isolation, no other theory accounts for the pattern found in these extant and extinct species.

There is no single missing link and the idea that we don't have all the links is perpetuated, and a myth, by religious lobbies. So if you are arguing from that angle there is no point pretending to be scientific about it.

Another diagram, 4u, is how we discover a species is a hybrid. Same scenario as above except that we find population y with 2 actual subspecies and one of them contains genes eg and the other dg. Based on sequencing archeological finds and the improbability of that gene showing up in that population we discover it is a hybrid, further genetic sequencing often confirms this by finding other sequences with the same history in the fossils uncovered.
I really urge you to actually get involved in this topic and read the evidence yourself.
It is really obvious that you are operating on obedience to someone else that you consider to be more authoritative than you are, and that is a really self hating perspective. If someone tells you humans are not apes, they are not only denying evidence over 50 years old but they are also clearly not up to date on the last 20-30 years of genetics.

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"Darwinism" isnt even a thing, only used by biblical believers because darwin was right, and wrong, on many things (mostly right). And since him theres been many new and better theories, those replaced with yet better ones, that fit the evidence. Calling someone a darwinist or something about evolution darwinism is trying to imply it is a cult a jewish trick, ironically that denies evidence and believes everything one man said. It would be almost like calling someone a hitlerist if you believe in nationalism.
There were many scientists other than darwin that have contributed to our current understanding of evolution (without including genetics) and enough proofs to discard the crazy theories like lamarckism:Lamarckism (or Lamarckian inheritance) is the idea that an organism can pass on characteristics that it has acquired during its lifetime to its offspring (also known as heritability of acquired characteristics or soft inheritance).

I thought it was more or less accepted that it was possible for epigenetics to be passed off to an offspring.

I thought it was more or less accepted that it was possible for epigenetics to be passed off to an offspring.

The men could vote but only the women could propose or ratify new laws IIRC. It's been some years, maybe I need to read it again.

Their promotion of temporary kings by election for the purpose of warfare indeed survived as did the virgin veneration.

Epigenetics is a phenomenon where genes are expressed or repressed. This has been shown to work 2-3 generations forward (grandkids and great grandkids) in mice, if it factors that many generations forward in humans is still up for debate.

To simplify it for non BIO anons Imagine this.
You have a manual that describes how to build a lot of technology, everything from the parts in your laptop to the minute details of an airplane. The manual is in a stack of papers not a bound book. Some papers are clipped together so you don't get to read them, thus entire sections that depend on those papers are disabled (you won't make sense of it or will have wings but not the jet engines of a plane). Epigenetics is like clipping together or unclipping some papers. Nothing is added to the manual (genetics) And nothing is taken away from the manual.
This is seen in cases where for example there is plenty of stress in the mothers life and her offspring are born more prone to aggression, greed, and immediate reaction behavior. Or for example there is plenty of food for the mother and her offspring are born more active and with higher metabolisms than the mother that had a severe lack of it. You can see how that would be adaptive. There are also more simple and older known proofs showing colouration changes where all the genes for several colors exist in a population but some are triggered to be expressed more or less often depending on the environmental cues.
Lamarck basically theorized that a good mechanic that diligently practiced his trade would always pass on good mechanic children despite adoption (taking away the raising of the offspring factor by a mechanic that only knows how to be a mechanic). He theorized some average folk that practiced hard to be athletes would necessarily create children that were better athletes (taking away the parental social influenc factor even when adopted) despite never themselves having aptitude for athletics. That is demonstrably false.

The ancient giant hypothesis has not only been substantiated by a large number of finds from the pre-WWII days, mainly before 1900, but by surviving myths and legends. The finds typically only survive in written accounts and some drawings. There are accounts of Romans battling "ape people" who could speak but were very hairy and huge (they got genocided, see Herodotus), I have native Americans in my family from several different groups and they all have stories about red-haired giants (they got genocided, again), etc. What we know of the Neanderthals fit these descriptions. It's too on the mark to just discard as flights of fancy and pure fiction. Most of these stories were based on real life events, I have come to believe, and in fact it was fashionable to shit on Herodotus until fairly recently but he has been vindicated time and again. As long as they're looking for the Urheimat in India or Pakistan they'll be baffled.

The lies work on the stupid masses but they're not the kind to ask questions in the first place.

As a side note, I'm a believer in Anatoly Fomenko's theory that history has largely been faked, though I disagree with his reconstruction. This along with the knowledge that radiocarbon dating is absolutely unreliable allows one to freely ask a whole new set of questions and perhaps settle them with answers which actually fit the facts on the ground.

It's sad to see how most people aren't even open to a casual discussion of these matters but the mind prison is effective on many people. In this thread we've witnessed what could only be called grade-school level pilpul which attempts to talk around the topics and mock people instead of addressing real points.

There are accounts of Romans battling "ape people" who could speak but were very hairy and huge (they got genocided, see Herodotus)

excuse me it was the Phoenicians however Roman accounts mentioned such ape people too

could have just been hairy ass niggers though

It's probably all related to females (and virgins) being more attuned to the superspectrum. Not that women have any disposition for leadership or authority, but that they would be more adept at things such as channeling ancestral spirits and conferring with elementals.

I will answer later in more detail regarding the specifics of genetics from you and the other poster (I'm NOT arguing from a religious standpoint), but this one -


- I have to answer right now. Darwinism is much more than this or that specifical scientific paradigma or theory, it's a full-blown political doctrine, an ideology created specifically for the subversion of traditional European society in the latter half of the 19th century and its transformation to materialist-technocratic socialism ("yes, goy, you're only an hairless ape, an animal which needs the guiding hand of the state to secure peace and prosperity"). Darwin himself - an avowed illuminist atheist and heavily influenced by the masonic circles his father moved in - admitted as much, and the long list of frauds within "evolutionary science" (Haeckel, Millner etc.) as well as the funding of contemporary Neo-Darwinists like Dawkins by Big Banking should make anyone wary.

(Heil Hitler)
I agree, always keeping in mind, though, that "viable offspring" is still the dominant criterion within biology.

You are correct regarding the taxonomical categorization of the animal part of Man on the basis of comparative anatomy. I strongly object, though, to the Darwinian reduction of Man as such, in his totality, to this animal aspect alone. This kind of bio-materialist reductionism ignores very important things: the capacity for abstract thought and the transcendencing of nature by creating civilization, among others.

Where did you prove this premise? The thinly veiled argument from homology you mentioned above by referring to taxonomy is basically semiotics ("we look similar and are, therefore, related."), i.e. very weak. And the lack of conclusive fossile evidence is precisely the crux of the matter! All we have is a myriad of fragments, almost always surrounded by debates regarding their dating, often accompanied by embarassing errors in attribution. But let's ignore that for the moment and continue with genetics further down.

Exactly. Narrative-driven top-down fudging of evidence. "Hm, we found this strange skull… obviously we know that all humans descended from a single common animal ancestor, so let's see where we can fit this in…"

Gene flows themselves are real and are encapsulated within the concept of micro-evolution (which I absolutely affirm). The glaring hole in your explication, and in Darwinism in general, is: where is this original, pre-branching founding population/genotype supposed to come from in the first place? It's the same old phylogenetic monism again, pushed by frauds like Haeckel and his modern-day followers. Let me be clear: genetics, as a laboratory specialty and practice, is very useful and valuable; it's the meta-narrative of Darwinism, grafted on top of it, that I'm attacking. It's perfectly possible to be a Darwinist without knowing anything about genetics, and it's perfectly possible to be a geneticist without believing in Darwinism.

That's a cop-out. I read the same a few days ago in this article from the Scientific American, "The Fossil Fallacy"
scientificamerican.com/article/the-fossil-fallacy/
A long string of fallacies, fudged evidence and feel-good scienticism, but even they come clear a few times:

[…] No single discovery from any of these fields denotes proof of evolution, but together they reveal that life evolved in a certain sequence by a particular process. […]
[…] No single concestor [Dawkins term for the alledged last common ancestor of a set of species] proves that evolution happened, but together they reveal a majestic story of process over time. […]

And so on and so forth. Lack of evidence, circular referencing of other fields (e.g. geology) who themselves justify their pet paradigms (e.g. uniformitarianism) by back-referencing Darwinism etc.

At the very least drop the phylogenetic monism, always separate the valid micro-evolutionary genetic work from (Neo-)Darwinian top-down theorizing, and become aware of the fact that the terms "Man" and "ape" overlap, but are not coextensive. I'm myself remain agnostic for the moment regarding the genesis. It's not necessary to be religious to criticize that very dangerous ideology.

Thank you for taking the time to share all this information with us.

That's not the root of caucasian. There's 100 of words for white spread across tons of languages.
The fact it has the word asian in it is your first clue that yes it's in reference to fucking geography.
"The appellation Caucasian for the grouping was popularized by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, who named it after the category's archetypal skull, a cranium of a woman from Georgia in the Caucasus region"

Follow the facts and always seek truth, it is what I do.

A good maxime, and one I try to follow myself. In this context it's very important to be aware, though, that there are no "brute, naked facts". Each and every observation is pre-conditioned by a series of oftentimes implicit premises. This is especially the case with the post-enlightenment grand-scale narratives like Marxism or Darwinism (or materialism in general).

TRUMP

What do you think about the theory that reincarnation was not a Vedic belief, but part of the original Harappan belief system?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śramaṇa#Vedic

HOW CAN I QUICKLY REFUTE KIDS AND WHITE WOMEN WHO CONSTANTLY SAY I'M RELATED TO NIGGERS???

you've got to play the game, they don't logic so you don't have to either. Use the ol' kike tactic of taking maybe a few words and similar context to make them go back on something they didn't even say so they have to agree with you.

This, it's not like you're having a real argument where one side is trying to convince the other. It's called pilpul, and it's considered a game.

Funny you mention that because one of the things holding back biology in general for a long time and genetics for a short timespan of it developing as a field proper was - believing you can get information about living things in isolation of them from external environments. The physical context if you will. So like the information we share here and the context that offers the implicit premises as you say, biological machines exist in the "context" of their environements and this was entirely ignored. A chemical might do one thing in general but have very specific, and brief, functions in particular environments. A modified gene might change tissue of an organ grown on a lab plate, but it might not affect the organ at all in vivo because either it never gets to that organ, enters and is modified, or the effect it has is muted or amplified. A chemical might modify an organ temporarily in vivo but in vitro it might appear like a permanent effect.
We should always study the context.

You're also related to mice, and bananas. 50% of your genetics are shared with bananas. Tell them that and see them shut down as they lack the knowledge of the subject.

"That was disproven, google it"

also,


JEJ

For some reason this has got me laughing really fucking hard

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Fucking this, play the game faggot. This isn't an intellectual debate in the comments, it's who is the most smug by the time people are tired of commenting their opinions, though logic will automatically give you the authority on the matter by being "greater than thou". Also, you're clearly not learned on how genetics works if you don't know how to immediately disprove that false claim.

You're basically 50% banana.

You're also about 98% related to gorillas

This goes to show that when they say Europeans are only n% different from Africans/Asians/etc, that a small percentage makes a massive difference. Just 2% separates us from the animals.

Yup, and we get many good lab results from mice that are 80-90% similar

And only .3%-.1% is needed to classify one species from another.

Hence, Blacks are difference race from Whites, and Asians. Genetic difference is .3% - .1%

But suddenly different shit applies when its about humans. Okay if it's dogs, cats, horses, etc… but Humans. Nope. We are all the same, the same race apparently.

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my 'tism is pleased.

as little as a single codon in BILLIONS (and trillions of possible interactions from epigenetic factors, dna folding etc) can make you immune from a malaria parasite that fucks your life up

now imagine entire gene sets, still less than 0.1% of genetic material, let alone what addon effects they do by interacting with your other protein in your body, can be the difference between an autist good with fixing computer parts, and a master technologist that creates new hardware in his garage

its all cosmetic though lol image related

Holla Forums was invaded by /x/ years ago. The retards are hard to tell apart now.

Politics are inseparable from metaphysics. In fact, for full redpilling there should be a thriving board called /xpol/, but that train left long ago.

Just for future reference the guy is an East Asian IRL. I've seen him shitpost his confirmation bias in the past.

Keep in mind that even if there is only a 0.1% difference between negroids and other races that means there is approx. a difference of 3 million genetic basepairs which is massive.

Posting a Genetic Distance table.
It goes from 0 to 1, which means 0% to 100%.

Let me explain it better for those who don't know:
Chinese
West African
South American Indian
South Indians
Andaman Islands
Papuan
Pakistan
Pure-breed Arab
Caucasus
Self explanatory

First Aryans

Proto-Italians and Proto-Celtics

Early European Farmer, pre-Aryan

European Hunter Gatherer. Scandinavian.
European Hunter Gatherer. Western.
European Hunter Gatherer. Eastern.

Also, you can "ignore" the upper part of the diagonal because these are standard deviations, a.k.a. error margins.
Only bellow the diagonal shows the values.

Thanks user. Good stuff

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Nice. Only thing I would clarify is that many of those terms are either over- or underspecific. E.g.

Han - an ethnopolitical term - are the modern, "synthetic" Chinese. It's not some original sui generis ethnos.

An amerindian population (today's Brazil). There are huge genetic variations within the "bronze people". The four macro-differentiations are High-Andean, Coastal Pacific, Amazonian and Carribean.

Ditto. Those correspond more or less to today's peoples; what they were in the past, ethnographically and geopolitically speaking, is not easy to say.

In a certain sense, genetics has become too good. We now have detailed information on gene flows and populations we lack actual ethnographic terms and historiographic theories for, where we have to use crude geo-economics ("European Hunter Gatherer. Western."), ahistorical retro-assignments ("Russian") or simple off-hand labeling by cultural practices ("Corded Ware"). Short of invening a time machine, this "over-biologization" of history and anthropology won't change, though.

Probably kike infiltrators wanting to subvert noble Aryan sexual ethics.

That's why you have a vestigial banana in between the legs user.

Good to see there is still some remnant of old Holla Forums. The entire catalog is a shit show.

Good point, the same thing is happening in the neurosciences. For a long time, the brain had been viewed in isolation, even when investigating sensory perception. Since about ten years, "embeddedness" and brain-environment feedback and moto-enviro-sensorics have gotten much more attention.

Atlanteans are Aryans. Just a different way of saying it dude.

The whole of Europe needs extreme racial purity programs to cleanse the foreign genes in our population.

T. Norwegian

You're an idiot, fuck off.

Look at that butthurt.

And this is exactly what ThunderBolts Project says. Three Suns = Saturn, Venus and Mars. Not Moon hanging around, Sun is just on the other side of the locked orbit and far away.

Excerpt from (((Kikepedia))):


Santur, oh wait, I wonder what that ex-star Santur could be. Yeah, SANTUR = SATURN.

This post reeks of pophis

These digits suggest further analysis is needed on this particular map

Then how do you explain Jesus talking about Jews as a den of vipers, and Revelations 2:9 and 3:9?

Highly recommend reading Jesus the Phoenician. Really well researched, explains that Christianity is in no way related to judaism

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I've never actually read the bible (grew up atheist) So I've always overlooked it. But what dosen't make any sense to me is calling Jesus a kike on a stick and the bible a load of shit. Then how do you explain Revelations 2:9? and 3:9? The fake Jews is exactly what today's Jews are. They've stolen the identity of Gods true chosen people, (and who are the chosen?)

The most disinformation I've seen has always been around the origins of mankind, and this subject.

"I know your afflictions and your poverty–yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

Revelations 2:9

Why would a Jew write that?

Nigger do you know how many fucking revisions the damn thing went through? I don't even trust the original greek.

That's fine, can you explain the quote? What is this Synagogue of Satan and fake Jews? You seem to have all the answers. I'm just here to learn.

Even if you're nonreligious, it's worth skimming through to get a gist of the sort of nonsense they've been feeding people for centuries

The energy necessary to refute a lie is an order of magnitude greater than to produce it. Uncuck yourself.

You're not fooling anyone here kike.

This really doesn't matter, one can get its criticism of Jews from elsewhere, historically attested, and without having to resort to a book that comes filled to the brink with falsehoods.
People here have to remember that Europeans after the fall of the Roman Empire were oblivious to any kind of history, and the Church pushed the Bible as history until 1786, when William Jones unleashed European archaeology that discovered the Aryan question and that realised that every Middle Eastern people wrote a single story of events that contradicted everything wrote in the Bible.

The guy is a cuck, but he lays out well the historical events surrounding the Aryan question.
And guess what? He swallowed his own words, as he wrote the book before the Genetic findings of the Aryans, and now all of that which he called "nonsense" has been proved true and that the Languages are tied to Race, it spread by its own people moving.
What a timeline.

And the last one.
You can clearly see his "muh, racism is bad" attitude and bias.

Not so fast - that doesn't necessarily follow. The Bible is not simply a book, it's a whole library, created over the course of millenia, and there is much truth in it. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater is what I'm saying. A lot depends on questions of interrelatedness. What is, for example the relationship between the biblical giants, or Greek titans, and the Aryan question?

it is strange

isnt it
too bad genetics proved the opposite to his race bias

The Indian word for Cast, Varna, litteraly means Color.
The cast system in India was racially based.
Aryans in India became priests, warriors, artisans and laborers.
They invented Indian civilization and the Vedas.
Latter more European admixture came with the Indo-Greek Kingdom.

Dravidians shit from the south became the untouchable.
India today is completely lost to those street shiter brown savage.

Shame.

The Ynglinga saga says that Odin came from the Caucasus mountains.
Those white people are really talented and have a really fantastic memory.
Legends are true.

When the first human appeared, he was a lone homo erectus, the first to ever left Africa, and he looked back in disgust promising himself to never come back.
He uttered fucking niggers
And BOOM,
Humanity was born.

literally half of my bloodline.

its basically recessive vs. dominant genes, unfortunately that doesn't work in the Aryan favor.

he basically paved the way for Eugenics and is an Atheist Kike asshole. fuck him

the African must fear the Neanderthal

Look at this faggot.

Back to /r/asianmasculinity NOWAG

Check this out. sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

Bashar al-Assad isn't typical of Syrians. They aren't white. They are indistinguishable from Iraqis. I don't know why Assad is so light, but he clearly isn't white either.

This thread was supposed to be an informative thread on the history of Aryans, but more and more posts are no more than delusions of grandeur and bickering. Good job Holla Forums you've disappointed me again.

TRS children keep posting magic stuff, atlantis bullshit, last century mysticism, etc
But the thread is also full of genetic info, real info, have you missed that?

While my Asian studies are not as strong as my European and North American, what I do know is that you're right on the money. Bronze age China was only peppered with 'Chinese' which that word only really represents a cultural movement in the region, similar to the greek, or roman culture conversion of lesser tribes around it. China was mostly inhabited by 'non-chinese' that were considered barbarous tribes due to their lack of technology and them being strictly herders or full on nomads.

I do however, believe that the basis of 'Chinese' culture was due to the spread of the Yamnaya culture into Asia. Maybe I'm wrong, but it adds up to their people a similarity in their charioteer usage that the same Scythian nobles practiced. Not to mention the base of their culture spawning from pretty much east of the stretches of our Aryan ancestors who had the same tech.

Aryans more precisely pushed the indian natives to the south of India, while the aryans occupied the north, also the native indians were the ones who held what we know today as Hinduism, but the aryans took it from them and ended up at the top of the society (brahman class for the sacred; and kshatrya class for the temporal) because of their strenght.

Wrong. The Vedas were written by the Aryans, it's an Indo-European religion top to bottom - Hinduism is a perversion of the Vedas by the southern Dravidians.

Syria was a Roman province. Before that Greek. Before that Persian. No matter how many shitskins that has blended in since, white blood will remain. Unsurprisingly you will often find it at the higher levels.

I mean yes, but our history probably goes way further back than about 10k years.

Humans didn't just magically get smarter because muh evolution after the ice-age, we've had the same brain capacity for well over 75k years.

Wrong.

Not probably, certainly.
After the Ice-age, the human brain got exponentially smarter while also decreasing volume. This means that intelligence genes started being selected more and more and more. This allied with technological breakthroughs (which forced more smart people to manipulate it) skyrocketed our intelligence.

I've really not invested too much time into this topic. Can someone give me a tl;dr about it - especially of my german roots?

That's interesting. What authors can I find for such ideas? I've long held the suspicion that perhaps the idea of entropy applies to both civilisations and the races too and so the black race is truly the world's "soot" as the non-blacks "burn" through life, advancing themselves. What do you do with soot? You can't really destroy it. You can only scatter it or, with enough of it and enough pressure, compact it into diamond.

Oh, also, regarding your query on how human height is fixed, I remember being exposed to this a long time ago.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square–cube_law#Biomechanics
Mass is proportional to volume but muscle mass is proportional to surface area. As you increase the size, the volume (and thus, mass) increases faster than the surface area (and thus, muscle) and so the being won't have the strength needed to support itself at higher heights.

Then read the thread you lazy fucking nigger.

For people wanting to know how the early Aryans lived.
They had small pockets of fortified cities (hence from where the City-State models come from).
They were incredibly hygienic, self-sufficient and organized.
Again, they were militaristic, with horseback riding being their invention along with wheeled vehicles.
They also used animal traction (they were pastoralists, but also had just a little bit of agriculture as complement), improving their energy efficiency (the first middle eastern civilizations used human labor for everything, only much later using animals).

Clothing-wise, we know better from the Scythians.
Scythian/Indo-European clothing got spread everywhere.
Today, most of Slavic/Baltic/Nordic pagan groups use clothing derived from them.
In Asia, the Turks and Chinese also got directly influences from them.
Central Asia is full of these people with these clothing like the Kalash.
Northern Indians used derived forms too, lighter ones, before being more Middle-easternized in the recent centuries.
In the Middle East, almost no influences.
And finally, in the Caucasus, traditional clothing is heavily influenced by it.

Also, how did they manage to influence so much even on Clothing? Well, that's because they were also the firsts to and the spreaders of wool clothing/animal clothing.
Other places used only animal hides and plant fibers, but not animal fibers.

Vikings
Vikings
Vikings

Your standards as to what doesn't count as Aryan smell like you just pulled them out of yourself.

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reminds me of the canary islands

there isnt one
this thread counters the fake news narratives and then drives home facts that have been discovered despite attempts to obfuscate them

Do you even know how silly you sound? Hitler would have considered you a lowlife.

The Guanches of the Canary Islands are very similar to Cro-Magnon. Another marker in the Canary Islands is that the Guanches built pyramids and had mummies. Interestingly enough. the Canary Islands were supposed to be examined by the SS, but the research trip was suspended because of WWII. The Canary Islands, along with the Azores, and Iceland, are apart of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, which is located right off the Western coast of Europe - incidentally where the highest frequency of archaeological sites associated with Cro-Magnon are located.

When the Spainards found the Guanches, they were described as very tall, with red-blond hair, and blue-green eyes, and were unimpressed with the smaller Europeans, who viewed them as inferior. They supposedly questioned the Spanish, "Other people survived the flood?"

They were wiped out by diseases shortly after.

GUANCHE BUMP

cyrus the great is the aryan messiah the kikes need to bow down.

Somebody archive this thread

They also didn't know a lot of the stuff we know now.

Vedas were written in northern India. At least they preserved or re-created a text there that was the Vedas.

Arctic = Northern Land

Wikipedia said the Guanches were Berbers.

Fixed ;-)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches

youtube.com/watch?v=C0CIRCjoICA

Pretty rad language in the Canaries. Thousands of years old… from the natives.

Berbers ancestry comes from a Para-Basal population of North Africa and Iberian EEFs.

DICK CHOPPERS

This picture depicts the Blacks enslaving the Light skinned and chopping the males dicks and ensuring the lengthening of their own, hence the arm transferring power.

And yet all those equality shitters nod in all-knowing fashion when the talk comes to parasites influencing behavior or when the discussion is about genetic deformities enhancing or prohibiting specific behaviors. It never occurs to those dipshits that a parasite can't introduce WHAT ISN'T ALREADY THERE OR POSSIBLE and as such genes can induce by accident the same damage as a parasite does. Same for genetic deformities or variances. omg I hate so called intellectuals by now

Very interesting post user. More information about this?

So, Guanches were full white skinned albeit living in Canary Islands which are located quite close to equator of Earth. They should be lot darker if they were evolved at those latitudes.

This isn't a thing, evolution is random change and selection.
The random change was light skin, the population accepted it and continued with it.
But the "Guanches/Berbers" weren't an isolate population, they didn't spend all of their years in the same locations and they weren't made of a single people/ancestry either.

There's nothing special about them, they're similar to EEFs.

Now


Stop with this Atlantis bullshit, it was geographically impossible for it to exist. You're just describing the EEFs here.

The thread is reaching post limit, so, if you have something to say, condense it in one post and it better be some real info, not shit.

Fuck off kike. The Deluge was 100% real and so was Atlantis.

The Deluge was real, it was called the "Post Ice Age Melting".
The melted Ice flowed to the Ocean and elevated its level, submerging land.
But Atlantis wasn't real, it doesn't even exist in the Ocean's floor, which means it wasn't there to submerge in the first place.
Also, in the Last Glacial Maximum, Europe was inhabited by WHG in the West - they were neither blonde/red haired nor light skinned, although they were blue eyed.
The North African mummies though, come from a later period, where Europe was inhabited by EEFs.

Really, if you don't know about genetics, don't post your lunacy here.

Because only his sect is the True Jew™ Sect
It's kind of like asking why Muslims don't like the rest of the Semitic religions despite them being "of the book"

Reiterating kike propaganda does not strengthen your case Shlomo.

Dark doesn't mean Black, it means Dark.
They had a skin colour similar to Dravidians or lighter, but not at all light like any European today.
But this is a fact. Light skin came later.
They probably had a skin tone close to the Jewess Neta Alchamister, with blue eyes even.
The other two are a 3D render and an official artist impression.
Also, they were genotypically and phenotypically Caucasoids already.
Race isn't only skin-deep, idiot.

In my area there are old native Algonquian legends regarding small mischievous man like creatures that they supposedly called puckwudgies. Could this be adopted from early Norse explorers or something? There’s also other, albeit somewhat scant, evidence of ‘viking’ type inscriptions on a rock around here called Dighton rock. Apparently there’s some resemblance to runes but it’s not definitive.

The reason this is bs is because all the majority blue eyed populations today are also the lightest skinned. Makes no sense if blue eyes came from darkies. What's the sample size they are working with here? Where was it found?

Is that nigger part-asian?
(Actual "East Asia")

But it's true. Also, did you know that Light Skin is a dominant trait?
These WHG (Western European Hunter Gatherers) lived from 42000 to 9000 years ago and were just like described above.
There was also the EHG (Eastern European Hunter Gatherers) who were light skinned and many were blonde.
And finally the SHG (Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers), who were a mixture of WHG and EHG - they bred selectively it seems, because they retained the blue eyes from the WHG and the light skin and blonde hair from the EHG.

Big, read the thread for the studies and papers.

You're clearly too new to all of this.
Read this thread from the start.
And also this here:

Why do you post old fat people? Of course they are not going to look like the bust of a young fit guy.

Gonna cite Dienekes next?

They did not have dark skin. Black people like Khan and Dienekes are liars.

Ok wise guy, how about you refute his points with valid rebuttals of the statistical and genetic analysis of user's presented paper instead of MUH LIES. Otherwise your argument is invalid.

The "paper" (blog post, actually) is nothing but speculation. Genes don't come with labels. Black liars like Khan and Dienekes have no reasonable explanation for blue eyes and light skin correlating.

Black men like Khan and Dienkes also push the falsehood that the Yamna had the coloring of Sicilians.

Or, it could be that these black liars are just wrong.

Black men like Khan and Dienekes also pushed the falsehood that the Tocharians were Eurasian Hapas by deliberately misrepresenting the origins of mtDNA Haplogroup C.

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You're retarded, to write his "blog post" (you don't even know what Unz Review is) he used peer reviewed scientific papers published in Nature.
And you rebutted nothing at all. WHG lacked the two major light skin genes of Caucasians, making them brown.
Really, you clearly don't know what you're talking about here

Also
Khan is Indian, nothing to do with Africans, learn your genetics. Dienekes is Greek.

Everybody knows this Jewish owned publication.
Genes don't come with labels. Black liars like Khan and Dienekes have no reasonable explanation for blue eyes and light skin correlating.

Oh, yes I totally thought that Khan was African. When I said black I totally meant Sub-Sahran African negroid.

No I meant black - dark skinned people, which is what Khan and Dienekes are. They are black men who are hostile to people of northern phenotypes.

They do.
They're not the ones doing the explaining, but geneticists.

And you still haven't proved your point.

Stop with your wishful thinking - Nordic people today only acquired their current genetic composition in the Late Neolithic and Bronze Age, along with the Aryan expansions.
Before that, Europe had EEFs, which would look like Basques and Sardinians, and before them even, Europe was inhabited by the Hunter Gatherer groups.
The population of Europe wasn't immutable throughout millennia and it changed dramatically.

UNZ keep releasing anti-jewish articles day and night.
I wouldn't say that for Khan, but Dienekes is a crazy man with unknown rationale.
But Dienekes has nothing to do with any of this.

They actually don't. Humans have to infer the role of genes through comparison and correlation.


Well, the Yamna had the coloring of Sicilians according to your ilk. Another case of "genes don't come with labels".

Lol, they do, they know what specific genes do and name them.

What do you even meant here? This is not my theory, but what hard evidence shows. Their unique phenotypes blended because they were desirable. When "light/white skin" appeared, it spread like wildfire, and so did light eyes.

The Yamnaya were white, but not the whitest. Corded Ware, the bigger expansion, was the one with the "Nordic" phenotype.

Here, I'm posting this for you:
genetiker.wordpress.com/2016/05/05/phenotype-snps-from-ice-age-europe/

Along with the map I posted, look at their phenotype - their Colours match their Labels and Villabruna and El Mirón are WHG.
"Whites" are genetic-dead-end ANEs, such as the Kostenkis.

Totally. Why northern phenotypes are found in EVERY SINGLE PLACE that the Yamna spread to is just coincidence. Just selective breeding. A massive coincidence that this selective breeding only took place in places where the swarthy Yamna settled.

No, they don't. They are merely genes. Their role is inferred.

"knowing" what they do does not mean that they came with labels. People "know" what the genes do because they inferred their role through comparison and correlation.

Wow, you just proved what I was talking about.
Now, again, the Yamnaya were just like you quoted, but not the Corded Ware which was the most significant Aryan expansion.
Those phenotypes in Central Asia come from them, along with R1a.

They know exactly what some genes do, and you have no evidence to be able to say otherwise.

news.stanford.edu/2017/02/16/glowing-mice-suggest-new-gene-therapy-technique/

Now you're learning.

Such preposterous prick. You realised that your inferred agreement just made you comply with the idea that genes do have labels, right?
And those phenotype genes were already labeled, proved to be what they are.
Here, take some more.

Inferring the role of genes through comparison and correlation is not a label. A "label" implies that you can determine the role of the gene, just by looking at the gene itself, with 100% accuracy. Inferences can be wrong.

Your ilk say otherwise. They propose that they were the pretty much the same.

They managed that.

You don't even know what you quoted now.
This is from "Massive Migrations from the Steppe" abstract and you know what? The Corded Ware were indeed 75% Yamnaya, but they were also 25% EEF, from where they got the other light skin SNP and Blue Eyes.

Here, more labeled phenotypes for you and an image for you to understand that the IE expansions were much more Corded Ware mediated.

So the Corded Ware traced 75% of their ancestry to an Arabic looking population, and their descendent's manged to look how they did solely from a minor farmer population.

Nice theory, Dienekes.

Are you that dense? Light skin is a dominant trait, not recessive, and it was positively selected. The data tells that.
The Yamnaya didn't look Arab also, they would look like Mediterraneans skin-wise (not morphologically, as Mediterraneans have many EEF facial features), not pink-skinned.

You literally parrot Dienekes. Stop acting like you understand anything. You merely repost what he posts.

I don't. He proposed a Middle Eastern origin of the Aryans and many other nonsense. The guy is dead and his research went to shit.

But I do, I proved. You, on the other hand, didn't.

Last time I went to his blog was 3 years ago. I don't even know what he posts anymore.

And you, sir, have no arguments left. Good night.

You proved that you parrot the usual swarthoid nonsense.

The Yamnaya weren't swarthy, crazy fellow, I don't know from where you got that. They weren't pink-skinned, but they weren't brown either.
The brown guys were the WHG.

Your ilk claim they had dark hair, dark eyes and darker skin than the average modern European. That is the description of a swarthoid.

More swarthoid nonsense.

Who's my ilk? Geneticists? Then I'm with good company.
It was found that there was blonde and red-haired Yamnaya as well (not any blue eyed). Actually, the spread of Red-hair comes from them.
And what's wrong with dark hair and dark eyes? EHG, from which the Yamnaya trace half of their ancestry, were Blonde with dark eyes.
This doesn't have anything to do with being "swarthoid", stop spilling nonsense.

I'm white, by the way. I'm referring to "pink" because there are many tones of White skin, being the "pink" one the lightest possible.

Really, chill out, read this whole thread and subside your biases.
Also, I'm going to archive it now.

Archives
archive.is/CJfTB
web.archive.org/web/20171012051435/https://8ch.net/pol/res/10540451.html

Anti-northern swarthoids.

The dark skin that may go with it. Those with white skin are fine.

"Darker skin than the average modern European" is not white.

If they're native to Europe, they're White. "Swarthoid" my ass, it's just another D&C attack vector.

I'm a northern though? Are you crazy?
So there's nothing wrong with dark eyes and hair now? Ok. But the Yamnaya didn't have the lightest of skins, that's a fact.
But they weren't brown either, much less "swarthy".

Good thing I have an average white skin then. Also, if you really wanna know how much light skinned they were compared to present day Europeans, see this (they fit along with Tuscans):

This too (an excel sheet):
>nature.com/nature/journal/v522/n7555/extref/nature14507-s8.xlsx
Also, see this here too, you really need it:


And then realise that your sperg killed the last posts of this thread.
In the end, you still think that race has anything to do you skin colour. By your logic, albino niggers are white.
You're such a kid.

It does correlate, yes. Albinism is irrelevant to this fact.

Race has to do with the 20,000 genes of the human body, from which the Caucasoid light skin only takes 2 genes.
By your logic, a nigger with 19,998 nigger genes and the 2 caucasoid light skin ones would be white?
Fuck off, the Yamnaya were fully European but lacked 1 caucasoid light skin gene.
They weren't "swarthy" or any other shitty word you like to sperg about.

No, that's no what "skin color correlates with race" implies.

That's what you're implying with the findings of the Yamnaya.

Well, you do not get two populations of significant size that are identical in everyday except for skin color. Color and race correlate, which is why a "a nigger with 19,998 nigger genes and the 2 caucasoid light skin ones" is just a hypothetical, or some type of freak mutation, impossible to exist as the norm in a large population.

Haak et al described them as swarthy. You argue that Haak's description was correct, but that that does not make them swarthy, just "darker than average". Your definition of swarthy is not something that matters.

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