Playing the villain

Which games do it properly, which poorly?

Which allow the player to do simply despicable shit?

Favourite evil situations you can create in a game?

Persona 4 did it right and that is a fact.

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Every single Call of Duty.

Never played it. What's so special about it?

What about the one where you shot that guy?

Prototype lets you play as a comic book style villain. The game has no hero.

Absolutely nothing.

Most games don't let you play the villain ever
rather they let you play an "evil" hero which is different

Fable was okay at it.

Fair point. Anti-heroes are cool too. The way that, for example, Bioware games handle it is really annoying though. There's just no substance to it, just evil for evil's sake. Like in KotOR where you have a few options and the evil one is usually "hurr durr I'm gonna kill you" and that's it.

TOR

Sorry, guys. Not impressed at all.

FNV
you can kill 98% of the population, nuke the last 2 big civilizations and then either let the last bastion of civilization be taken over by nigger tier savages or your retard maniac killer

Dungeon Keeper has the evil aesthetic down pretty good

Bioware is horrifically overrated, even their old shit

Also, while we're on topic
That Which Sleeps never ever since the devs are retards

I don't care about how many barafags it spawned, Bowser was a good character in M&L.

It's good not only to be the king, but the underdog.

At least in Kotor you got some pay off for being a dick at the end of the game. Mass Effect it changes nothing. Bioware's turned so shit they don't even let you be a dick in their new stuff. In Cisquition you had the choice between being the good guy, and the sarcastic wise joker good guy.

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All three pictures related.

Also the evil path in Mask of Betrayer has you ending up as a soul-eating abomination so powerful that the gods of Faerun have to team up to take you down and you still take a lot of them with you, which is fucking great.

True. The endings were vastly different in KotOR.

As for Dragon Age: Inquisition, I never got to experience its shittiness in that regard because I uninstalled it after the prologue. The previous games were similar when it comes to the good/evil choices.

All I want is a world where I can actually fuck people over and play mind games.

would it work as well if you knew what Seraph was from the start?

Could a game work when you know you are the big bad or work for the big bad.
Imagine a reverse Splinter Cell type game where in you work to bring down a 'good' country.

Hitman can be but you have no overiding plan or aim throughout the game (sans absolution and that made you 'hero' it)

There is literally nothing wrong with being jewish

If you didn't figure it out the second the you finished the tutorial, I got bad news for you.

The upcoming T(y)ranny by Obsidian will allow you to choose to play as a male, which is the same thing.

the plot didnt playout like that, its hidden for seraph.
would be different if they lay it out from the top

It's all in the instruction manual though.

lmfao

you play the character seraph, who hasnt read the instruction manual.

are you retarded?

Oh, that is your point, my bad.
Kinda

np bro

The game deliberately subverts the player's expectations.

You open up doing a quest for a "good" wizard, then are sent to some of his colleagues, and he even gifts you a hot chick to be your adviser.

Then you come to the city and it's under attack, and at night someone tries to kill you.

Next up you are put against two stereotypically evil fantasy races, orcs and necromancers, until it turns out the orcs were guarding the McGuffin from falling into the wrong hands and the necromancers were trying to stop the coming of the Ancient Evil.

It's not that original, granted, but it did try to fool the player.

exactly

if the plot is, "get the McGuffin to free DeamonDad and bring about endtimes". would the player be drawn in still?

could something be done so on the nose evil without having a 'teh greater eevil' or 'lol evil plot twist at the end'?

This would've been decent if Cage didn't make so many changes and the plot got thrown at the window halfway thruogh

Honestly I really love the ending of that game for how insanely bad it got. Most walking simulators are just boring horseshit from beginning to end. Indigo Prophecy went so far of the rails that it was worth playing Simon Says for ten hours.

You can always have the player be forced to pick between a "good" choice and an "evil" choice, but with the caveat that the "good" choice is nearly always the harder one.

I mean, yes, you can help the poor and downtrodden villagers against their oppressive feudal lord, but be ready to face his house troops and knights, the best trained and best equipped fighters the world has to offer, and in return you can only receive the gratitude of the villagers and little else, because they are poor as fuck.

Being evil is nearly always the easier path to take.

Alternatively, don't go with the stereotypical BioWare puppy kicker kind of evil. That's not evil, that's you being an asshole. Evil isn't about doing evil things for the sake of it, but only ever works well when there is some more important goal to be achieved, be it personal or otherwise.

Someone doesn't know how villains work.

Reminder that this exists.

I'd rather a game when the extra step and have you as an agent of the lord, tasked with bringing the village into line

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Dark Messiah of Might & Magic

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I did.

Why? You can be a horrible cunt in Planescape, for example.

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Because being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, or because you don't have any other option is not evil.

Lets look at something genuinely evil shit.
Like Facism, socialism or Islam. They don't think HA HA OH WOW I JUST RUINED SO MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES! They have a clear definite reason for what they are doing and understand what they are doing is atrocious but believe the gain justifies the inhumanities. There's method to their actions. It doesn't just happen 'because'. If you know what I am saying.

If I was making a game I'd ditch the whole morality thing entirely and just rely on a reputation system, both global and local.

So instead of the usual binary choice you now get to chose which faction to please, but the real kicker is that each faction has their good and bad sides.

The Church, for example, is egalitarian and universalist, it likes it when you help the poor and needy. However, they will persecute "heretics" and don't like it when the player upsets the divinely ordained way things work.

The nobility on the other hand is all about status, wealth and power, but they are also patrons of the arts and like to help inventors, artists and free thinkers along. On the other hand they very much disagree with an upstart trying to rise above his station.

Shit like that basically.

I know exactly what you're saying and I agree.

That's why I'm kind of bummed that you can't be the kind of evil you mentioned too often. Not because it's my retarded fetish or something, I just think it would make a refreshing experience.

My nigger. Automata will disappoint.

What did they do wrong besides murdering leftists?


Always punish the player that wants to be a do-gooder, or put him in situations where the resolution to any issue is not clear cut.

In BG2 especially I remember there being little incentive to act like an asshole, even ignoring the fact you knew BioWare put zero effort into it, the rewards for being evil were more often than not less than what you'd get being a good guy.

What's the fucking point of that.

Isn't Tyranny supposed to incorporate something like that? You are basically an officer of an evil empire. You can resolve situations in a "better" way but it might bite you in the ass?

often a game starts you on the good or at least nutral side
or dupes you into believe you are

few start on the evil side

Facism is oppresive to the freedom of the individual and provides shielding of responsibility of a political class, in it's baser form. Clerical Facism is used as an excuse for atrocities under the guise of it being for the greater source of good's ends, usually in heavily theocratic societies.

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You know it's like how the SJW elite can dox people and publicly execute the social status of members of their idealogy because it serves the greater point of their purpose.
It's the no such thing as "reverse sexism/racism" because "male/white" privilege, justification of atrocity to arbitrary prerequisites.

Fuck Obsidian "Trannies Uber Alles" Entertainment.

After Pillars of Equality I have no faith left in their writing, let alone their ability to keep their shit politics out of it.

They drove Avellone out so some tumblr cunts could vomit their purple prose all over their games.


Individualism is a failed idea that leads to social decay and weakening of the civilization that allows it to fester.

The current West is a clear example of individualism taken to its logical extreme.

And democracy doesn't? How's Hillary's trail for treason going?

Nothing wrong with murdering leftist traitors and their degenerate pets, and ridding the country of undesirables.

If fascism was in power we wouldn't have to deal with a future Eurabia and Mexico 2.0.

Wait, Avellone is out? I guess I've been living under a rock. Fuck them I guess.

By declaring individualism dead and appointing everyone and your judgement of said individuals based on a collective of arbitrary characteristics, that's not individualism, pumpkin.

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I'll take individualism over living in a post-communistic state again every single time, no matter how many rainbow-haired dykes it makes me look at.

1984

Jews V Goyim is clerical facism stupid.

They kept rejecting everything he submitted until he simply ragequit.

Now Obsidian is without the one reason anyone paid attention to them, and with PoE they proved they are talentless hacks.

Here they are with the freedom to make whatever kind of game they want, absolute blank paper bankrolled by passionate fans that just want them to let the creative juices flow and deliver a cRPG worthy of their pedigree without having to worry about a publisher breathing down their neck and rushing them.

And what do they do? They shit on Avellone, make a generic Baldur's Gate clone, Sawyer then sucks out anything remotely fun about IE combat in the name of "balance", and on top of that they censor themselves because a tranny cried bitch tears on the internet.

Fuck Obsidian. I'm done with them.


It's where individualism has led us. Reap what you sow as they say.

It made the West weak, so now a collectivist ideology that values enforcing a shared set of ideas and morals is there to fill the power vacuum.


How about living in a cross between Africa and the Middle East? Would you like that?

Because that's Europe come 2050.

Yeah, and according to projections from the fifties, GDR was supposed to be an economic powerhouse by the XXI century.

Okay.

Except the reason America hs completely fucked itself was collectivist thinking to divide the republican party down to third parties for the sake of idealogical purity rather than objective value.

How the fuck do you think Obama being the complete and total fuck up managed to get elected twice?

the west is 'weak' in asserting its superior cultureatm because it is more collectivist atm

Thanks for the recap bro. I remember that situation with the tranny lmfao. Also, PoE was a boring messy pile of wank for the most part. What is Avellone up to nowadays?

You live in a communistic state if you live anywhere in the west, abit one designed to give a slight illusion otherwise.

Germans in the age bracket 20 to 30 are already a minority in their own country.

The only reason Germany is still majority German is because of old people. You can deny the truth all you want, it changes nothing.

Even stopping immigration today merely delays the inevitable since niggers and mudshits breed like cockroaches.


Because he's a nigger. Same reason why Hillary is still in the race, because she has a vagina and the public can't help but masturbate at the thought of them voting in the first female president. It's what you get in an individualist society, everyone thinks they are a special snowflake.


The West is weak because leftists detonated the equivalent of a nuke in its culture. It exhausted itself fighting against itself.

Yeah, Germany. Projecting that onto entire Europe is like describing the state of entire US based only on New York state.

Are you pretending to be retarded or just fail to understand the concept of individualism and identity politics?

10% of the French population is Muslim, and, same as with Germany, if current predictions of immigration and birthrates hold they will be a majority by 2050.

Same applies to England, Sweden, Norway, etc.

And this is ignoring the fact that white majority is only upheld by old people, since whites are in a population freefall. By 2030 young niggers and mudshits will outnumber young whites across the whole of Europe, and they will really begin flexing their political muscles and voting their own people into power.

The mayor of London is a mudshit for example.

And just look at France. What sane nation would tolerate what was done to its people not once, not twice, but thrice and still fall into fits at the mere thereat of banning shitty burkinis?

The West is fucking doomed.

And the US is on an even shorter demographic time bomb than Europe

You missed the one that is most relevant to modern age.

Drakengard.

nigga, no game is worth dodging the same objects being thrown at you over and over, just on a smaller time limit, on higher difficulties.

Avellone ragequitting is speculation, but he did resign and leave Obsidian.
Last I heard he was working on that Torment game and Bethesda.

It's actually funny though, the characters that Avellone wrote were the ones that ended up being the interesting ones, and had to be scaled down.

If you look at the entire country yes. The primary difference is that balkanization combined with a halt of immigration could theoretically save at least a part of the USA. Meanwhile short of a real Holocaust nothing can save europe at this point.

No, they actually kept rejecting everything he put on the table.

And Avellone has come out and said he basically quit because they kept rejecting everything he wrote.

Granted you had to play through the entire game to unlock the evil route, but goddamn.

Undertale had nothing on this.

You know you really shouldn't really rely on relativism to make what you are doing sound better.

Anyone that hasn't played undertake isn't going to objectively measure the merit of your claim, people that have will probably zealously reject it based on the fact you are trying to use it as a statement of undertales quality in relativim, which they won't listen since well, they managed to get it to be the HIGHEST, SCORED, GAME, EVER. Three times.

And people like me will think you are insecure about your opinion because you presupposed the need to give it another opinion to sit on top of rather than letting it stand on it's own, it makes you look frail and weak.

Sareth you dumb fuck

For me at least, it felt really satisfying playing Evil in Kotor 2.
Mostly for how The Onderon Master acts when you invade after already killing the other masters.
He treats you like a one man natural disaster.

ctrl + f
No evil genius.
wtf guys

every day until tumblrtale gets banned

I'm going to take the bait here for a bit, because either that is what it is or you will probably use the fact I say anything to reinforce your delusional claims and people will laugh at you for it.


The reason for the comparison is due to the tangental similarity between both games in how their evil routes operate and with a small statement saying that the one mentioned was objectively superior. I won't go into detail because I'm too tired to bother/I'm a Faggot/etc, but if anything I would say Undertale was quite inspired by it.

Don't buy it if you don't like EZ Mode Narrative Experiences though, or just watch it through Youtube like I did.


Irrelevant, people will always act like faggots.

Want a proper rebuttal? Okay, here goes nothing.

The only reason this argument holds any ground is due to Undertale's reputation upon this board, if you ignore that comparisons with something that shares a similarity is perfectly valid.


Massive Projection, and even admitting it too with that "People like me" statement.

Let me make this clear, the only reason you would see shit like this as frail and weak would also be pointing towards wanting to feel superior towards them, most likely also having the same problem they see in others.

Want the kicker? You had absolutely no reason to call me out on this shit, you could've gotten your superiority for calling me a faggot and left it at that.

Fuck I thought this post was going to be harder (read: More obnoxious) to pick on due to how dumb it was. But I seem to have gotten things in order.

tl;dr: Pretty Good Bait, or someone RIDICULOUSLY insecure.

Reminder that your image has no substantial proof behind it and you only have the words of anons.

And even if it was true, it failed miserably because the hype about it has died down a fuckload AND the author has about a 99.9% chance of not being involved with it at all.

Citation?

Deus Ex if you slaughter innocents, pick all the dickhead dialogue, choose the ending that you think will fuck up society the most, and go into the woman's bathroom.

Metal Gear Rising
Hitman

Pretty sure I explained I didn't want to go into detail on it, but since you asked (not) nicely.

>You get to slaughter your previous friends from the previous route. In Undertale's case you could go Genocide first but that is rather hard to do without spoiling yourself, and the only in-game implication that the route exists would be the end quip of the Pacifist Route
>Oh let's destroy everything else too. Undertale's case has some fuckery with the save to drive it home but if you really want to play the villain you shouldn't really need that sappy message to tell you how much of a PoS you are.

This is the sequence that gets me to compare these two games and claim Undertale was inspired by it, I could be talking out of my ass on that part though.

I could go into detail on Soul Nomad's method of doing this being objectively superior too but I would rather prefer to sleep.

You don't say!

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I clearly do say.

By the way, reading through your ID states how much of a faggot you are. I suppose I didn't need to say anything as a result. Sleep Deprivation is one helluva drug.


If you legitimately believe this I think I can safely discard any post you make as trash.

And don't try to pull the "Ad Hominem" argument on me, especially since you already stooped to it from the start.

You still haven't provided that citation, amigo, and really now, do you suppose one line of dialog after clearing the tutorial qualifies as an "evil partner that spurs you on"
inb4 but he solves the puzzles for you and he suggests that he helped you and you should call him your "partner"

Yup, that's exactly the argument I would be using.

Would you tell me exactly why that wouldn't count?

Oh now, I thought you were discarding my posts as trash? I guess that's two things you cannot substantiate. Now as for why that is not a, formal, partnership is that from the start. You set out with the intent to destroy them. They were never a partner to you.

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A picture of little mac is not a citation my dear sweet user.

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But goy, kikery is just a more intelligent variant of Islamicness. It's basically desert marauder culture vs desert merchant culture expecting us to fight their battles for them.

Sage because talking about IRL villains

Learn how to properly manage a post you absolute fuckhead. I bet your parents are siblings and your whole family tree is in fact a circle. You can make paragraphs that are not too lengthy and then add a line of space. Not fucking do that for every 1-2 lines you absolute mongrel.

Back to reddit yadayadayada

Do you yield?

Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

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If you had a position to support your refusal, you'd have a point, I'm afraid to say that unfortunately you don't, and I have more time than you have will.

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Do you thirst for this to proceed?

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You do realize regardless of your effort this thread is going to die, and you will still have had been wrong in this? Do you really want to end it this way? I have to accept that you can make your choices. However, I must inquire what do you stand to gain from squating where you are wrong to begin with? This all could have ended so much sooner, by Not making a comparison to villain paths in games in a thread about games about being the villain

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Do you still have doubts that I have nothing better to do?

Pretty much any WW2 FPS ever.

Can't believe it took 100+ responses to get said.

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I refuse your refusal.

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So what are you going to do when you run out of images of characters drinking then? Will you draw your own? Will you finally forfeit?

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You'll need sleep sooner or later.

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I'll still be here when you go to sleep, why not take a break?

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If you are wrong, just post a picture of someone drinking something, seemingly because you lack the current facilities to actuate your keyboard to produce text to accompany your post.

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Glad we could work things out, that wasn't so hard, was it?

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Just when I think I've seen the most autistic shit on Holla Forums, someone else exceeds expectations.

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Could have sworn he was also on the Divinity 2.

Man I really wish I could play Divinity:OS, but I can't into the gameplay for some reason.

Alright, what the fuck is this ?

You think you're fucking tough nazi? I will rip you a new asshole you and your little fucking jokes about "kikes" I HATE THAT FUCKING WORD LIKE I FUCKING HATE YOU WE HAVE BEEN KILLED but this time….. I will be the one to STOP it ARE YOU A NAZI I serously think you a nazi. please be killed or I will do of u…..

Reminds me that Jade Empire let you kick dogs while Closed Fist.

Daddy Nier isn't necessarily the bad guy, nobody's really the bad guy in Nier. Everyone in that game is a victim of poor communication and bad circumstance, if the Shadowlord hadn't gotten impatient and tried to force Yonah's transformation, Nier wouldn't have lost his shit to begin with. By the time the true nature of the shades is revealed, it's too late to stop what's been done, again, not Nier's fault.

I'm gonna say Hatred and Postal. Both franchises are about being irredeemable monsters, even though Postal 2 takes a more humorous look at it, you're still a transparently evil person in ever way.

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I'm gonna go with dynasty warriors and Shu. They're the brand of evil that insist they're good beyond the point of reason.

Caim was a psycho and did morally questionable and downright evil actions like slaughtering a whole platoon of child conscripts 'cause the Empire already brainwashed them, but his choices always ended up working for the greater good, given that the Empire's goals are far more world-wrecking than any murder spree Caim could do. He's morally evil but not a villain.

This nigger right here gets it, Soul Nomad's Demon Path is still THE villain route. The protagonist tortures people for kicks and only does evil shit because it's fun, to say the least of what happens in there. You're even the lone final boss against a team of powered-up ex-teammates and ex-villains who can't stand how evil you are.