Is China still considered communist ?

Only by people who it is in the best interests to do so. If China does something bad, it's communist, if it does something good, it's capitalist.

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I'd argue that China was never communist, but that would be for another thread.

China made those mistakes on purpose imo. Their choices in making extreme amounts of debt into money has destroyed the global economy faster than the US would have been able to alone, but allowed them to build a large amount of infrastructure at almost no real cost. In the scenario of an economic depression and civil unrest, I would say that the CCP is more prepared to survive and thrive than the US or any other western country.

Normies follow the neoliberal hegemony in alternately insisting China are freedom hating Commies and this is the cause of every problem there (religious oppression, state controlled media, etc), and insisting China has discovered the glories and freedoms of the glorious free market and this is the cause of every improvement (fewer people in poverty, extended lifespans, etc).
Normies are masters of cognitive dissonance.

Unfortunately, there are still some tankies who will insist that the working class is in power in China and therefore it is still Communist based on the strikes and worker uprisings that have been going on recently. Since the government is incompetent at shutting these things down, it means the government doesn't want to and therefore still Maoist.

Was it ever?

he means the party is for communism, but the economy isn't a socialist one.

Except the CCP isn't for communism or socialism at all.

Whatever it was in the past, it isn't now. It's hardly even what most people would consider "socialist". They have practically no safety nets for the population, ffs.

In the same way that Holla Forums was never good, China was never communist.

It fell to Dengism, how can you even claim that the CCP is still Socialist? They destroyed Mao's legacy and everything that he and the CCP built up in China. They're heavily revisionist, corrupt and have turned China State Capitalist.

china uses capitalist growth techniques when it better props up state communism, just as the US socializes big losses when it's appropriate to prop up state capitalism.

The United States is more communist than the modern PRC.

No.

What legacy? Millions of dead Chinese and sparrows?

They are trying to mimic america and are adopting their identity politics nonsense while bringing more idiocy to their people. And also they're giving millions/billions to americans via the movie industry. China is a lost cause.

Please read up on Maoist China. Mao wasn't just a crazy fucking dictator and there were many contributions to the famine. Two prominant factors are the Nationalists and Communist being split between parliment and the weather conditions. It's funny that after Mao's and the CCPs agricultural reforms China only had one famine and then it was resolved, before that there were famines every year…

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Except the Great Famine was the first time in recorded Chinese history that every region in China was struck by famine, not just certain regions. Climate was a factor yes, but not a major one if every region in China was afflicted

If he didn't go full retard on agricultural policy far fewer lives would've been lost

You do realise the failings of the first great leap forward were due to the split within parliment and that full control wasn't given to Mao and the CCP.

The second five year plan was a much more resounding success and was done with ease and without intervention of the nationalists.

fucking ultras and anarkiddies wouldn't know actually existing socialism if it stabbed em in the back

i see what you did there, tankie faggot

Don't fucking trigger me Tankie

Socialism is only socialism when workers own means of production

What are you talking about? Mao was in full control of mainland China by the Great Famine

The Great Leap and the resulting famine happened in 1959. The KMT have been kicked from the mainland in 1949. This was Maos baby and it failed so bad, Deng and Liu (who initially supported the measures) stepped in and put an end to it. That's when he got scared he could lose his grip on power and a couple years later the Culture Revolution was born, where the first party members that got purged were the ones who told him "Uh, that Great Leap thing? Not a good idea in hindsight".

I actually did not know this. You see, I was under the impression that from '49 and on, nationalists had pretty much fled for their lives and that China was effectively a one-party state.

There were no Chinese Nationalists in China at all after the 100 Flowers Campaign/Anti-Rightest Movement, let alone Nationalists in any governmental position. I don't know how you can be this wrong.

I'm actually pretty triggered tbqh, are you Chinese by chance?

Yes the Chinese Communist Party still has considerable economic power in China and stamps out alternate communist/socialist/republican parties that pop up.

In the US you are allowed to campaign for public office as a communist, whereas in China discussions of capitalism can only take place in designated areas.
In China there is only one labor union which also happens to be the only political party.

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Not that poster but youre being willfully ignorant. I am not anywhere near a Maoist but Mao was very different from someone like Stalin. They both fucked up bad but in entirely and significantly different ways and you will only hurt yourself to insist on ignoring it

We mean specifically the National Party

B-but state capitalism is just a transitory phase! They'll start building socialism when they're done industrializing and shifting to a consumer-based economy, right guys?

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Mao encouraged the destruction of cultural artifacts fuck him and fuck the CCP

destroying reactionary Confucianism was one of the few good things about Mao.
The problem is that it was replaced with a different kind of reactionary culture that calls itself "socialist" despite all evidence to the contrary