China's second aircraft carrier is transferred from dry dock into the water at a launch ceremony in Dalian shipyard of...

I'm sure they keep the good metal for themselves.

So it took china how many years just to get to Italy's level?

China has to protect it's one-way trade with the rest of the world.
You don't really understand how the world works do you. It's not a static place always remaining the same. I'd suggest you look into history and see how it has changed over hundreds of years, and then maybe you may ask yourself, why & and what does it mean for the now, and for the future. Or not, and then ask yourself what the hell happened when you are an old person.

I wouldn't necessarily compare the two since:

1. Chinese carriers are fairly big, while Italian carriers are tiny.
2. China has a much bigger industrial and economic and even scientific capacity than Italy.

All China has going for it is years of transplanted soviet and later western industry. They can't create from scratch, just copy in most cases.

They still copy a lot but it's laughable to suggest they haven't created and are now developing their own MIC.

Look like they are pranning it to sink in the Spartlys so the get another artificial island

Doesn't Japan have "helicopter"-carriers?

china defense force arrives

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Let's open up trade with China they said. It'll be great for the economy. The solution is to start dumping niggers into their communist system. I bet the system crashes with just 5% niggers.

Plenty of countries have helicopter carriers, not just Japan.

Chinese 1st aircraft carrier - Liaoning
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning
Chinese 2nd aircraft carrier
Type 001A aircraft carrier
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_001A_aircraft_carrier
Chinese 3rd aircraft carrier
Type 002 aircraft carrier
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_002_aircraft_carrier

You anons act like each and every carrier isn't more advanced then it's predecessor. The first one was launched in 2012, and it's now 2017 with 2 now in the water and a third carriers construction underway.

It's 4th carrier as part of the Type 003 aircraft carrier design with be nuclear powered.
globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv-003.htm

but yeah, ok, it's scrap metal and going to be used as an artificial reef

I've seen their arms industry, they seriously can't function without Russian or Western advisors basically telling them what to do at every step of the way and when you take your eyes off them everything goes to shit. The only place I've seen that was fairly self sufficient was one of the Norinco plants but how do you fuck an AK up?

Jap carriers can easily be converted over for planes and the chink salt that came from them having those things was impressive.

Confirmed for sucking tiny chink cock. It wasn’t that hard a question. It’s just a subtraction problem. You can’t answer it. REPORTED.
Thanks for asserting something that no one questioned.
Like the history of Italy having two aircraft carriers?
Did China have two aircraft carriers hundreds of years ago? Or were they just losing wars then, too?
Like you, being paid to support communists on the Internet?

Only a jew like you tells people to not go to college or to educate themselves on various subjects.
always fixated on the gential and scat - (Checked)
if I keep my head in the sand I'll be better off???

Fuck off you fiufilthyclthy fucking kike. I wish I could gas your entire fucking family.

The Tiananmen Square massacre was a direct consequence of the Nanjing Anti-Nigger riots.
Just having African students on their universities was almost enough to jumpstart an uprising, let that fucking sink in.

Fuck it, let them come. I'm sick of these kikes running everything. I don't care if the Chinese nuke half of the cities in the USA, it'll still be better than letting niggers breed out of control and swamp us.

Pretty cool design. I've always liked the Kuznetsov class ship. I like the modernized command bridge. The story of how the PLA-N got the thing was pretty topkek too. Bunch of Ukrainian dorks sold it as a "floating casino" - and after several near-capsizes and the thing blowing adrift in the ocean for months, the Ukrainians learned that they got bamboozled, much to Russia's chagrin.

Prove it.

Type 81 was actually quite a remarkable and innovative design that stepped up an AK to incredible levels of controllability in FA.

meanwhile the US has 20 commissioned carriers

Quality post

Their weapons industry overall isn't actually that bad, the main area they are behind is in avionics and building jet engines but their ships, missiles and tanks are relatively decent

And aesthetic

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How autistic.

You are now aware hypersonic missiles have rendered all aircraft carriers obsolete.

They're basically just status symbols at this point, but if real war were to ever break out, they instantly turn into floating death traps.

Russia realized they could never outspend us, so some crafty Ivan or another figured out how to outsmart us. We built the best aircraft, they built the best anti-aircraft systems, we built the best aircraft carriers, they built missiles that can shred their hulls like paper while traveling mach 6.

I'm predicting a looming WWI scenario where our technology is rapidly outpacing our ability to adapt and adjust to it. The next real dust up to kick off, expect massive casualties. And the return of the draft.

The guy in the article glad hands it, but it's not some far off future scenario, they're already obsolete, right fucking now.

Doesn't know that the SM1 and SM3 exist. Tell us how TheWarNerd is a visionary you fucking retarded faggot. Also both the Russians and Chinese constantly hype their own shit while the west denigrates theirs in order to get more funding. Both China and Russia practice face, whereas the US and the west in general practice concern trolling to get more funds allocated. How many fucking times does this have to happen before you shitheads realize this? The Missile Gap. The Bomber Gap? The Cruiser Crisis? This same shit has happened before.

You are now aware the intention of modern aircraft carriers is gunboat diplomacy, not slugging out WWIII with other nuclear-armed superpowers.

Most of your buildings are made out of gook steel.
You do realize china can make quality shit if you pay for it, but most Holla Forumsacks are not involved in global manufacturing industries to know that.

Well sure, but how valuable is your $7 billion dollar pile of hubris as intimidation when someone's million dollar missile can scrapyard it in minutes?

Nobody is lobbing hypersonic missiles. That would happen in a real war, but it doesn't happen when America is just hazing the vassal-class nations.

Great job inventing bullshit out of thin air, you cocksucking faggot.
I dunno; I’m not the one doing the sucking.
You are not literate in the English language. No one said this.
Reported.

Eh, NATO codenamed the "Granit" missile Shipwreck for a reason beyond just getting more gibs.

This

Russia leads the world in missile tech. They can't lead everywhere but focus on defensive tech. Most experts who aren't sucking US dick agree that their SAMs and missile tech is tops.

Most Westerners don't even consider Eastern tech dangerous or credible because it isn't shown being used on various "American Heroes Channel" television shows.

Don't feel like showing you my passport. If you're wondering why I went over there I wanted to see if Norinco still had that soviet tooling for SKS's, turns out its all packed away in grease.

Its basically an AK with a SKS short stroke gas piston. They've got one in 7.62NATO for whatever reason but with that one I got a feeling it'll beat itself to death like the VZ-58 in 7.62 did when CZ toyed with that idea.

That is what I was getting at.

You've also got to pay a guy to keep them from acting like chinks when it comes to QC.

All ballistic missiles are hypersonic missiles by that standard.

defencetalk.com/forums/missiles-wmds/what-terminal-velocity-icbm-11609/

Haven't asked for that.

Reminds me of some anecdote; during a joint naval excessive, a German submarine was stalking an aircraft carrier long enough to fax them a firing solution.
Pretty funny

I didn't go over there with a camera so I filtered down to what was left.

Fair point if you only look at speed and nothing else. Problem with it is that ICBMs are practically an orbital vehicle which re-enters hence its speed.
Iskander is SSM with multiple flight modes and only goes about 60kft in ballistic mode. It is not a re-entry vehicle and has even more advanced tech than an ICBM does (within public knowledge anyway).

Bit of an oversimplication. I'm talking about the firearm over all, not just it's gas system (which is wrong anyway, the bolt carrier and bolt are also distinctive, as well as the fire group).

That or train them, only run a small trusted team (rarer than hens' teeth over there) and own a decent chunk of the company so they can not fuck it up.
Either way is a prick.
Hiring unknown QC robots is also a gamble too.
Fuck China. But when you get it sorted, it can work out pretty good.

Aircraft carrier is meant to be force projection. The ability to have air power anywhere in the world a couple hundred miles inland from the ocean. Of course a lone aircraft carrier is going to be vulnerable, that's why screens are used.

No shit. Do you even know what gunboat diplomacy is?

And it's solely force projection of air support or aerial bombing. A hyper sonic missile, no matter how fast or devastating, will still have to pierce through several defensive lines of support ships. The thought that missiles would make everything obsolete is a thought from way back in the 50s where they thought it would make conventional aircraft obsolete since the missile can always outpace a soft fleshy man inside a giant tin can which limits the speed an aircraft can go. That didn't pan out either.

During the 1982 Falklands War, Argentina possessed a measly total of five Exocet anti-ship cruise missiles and how did that turn out? what if they had 500 or 5000?

Do you show up in every single thread about this shit or what? I see this so often I'm actually starting to fucking hate the Iskander just because of how much people who have never seen it beyond a video on the internet hype it up to high heaven, it sets off my shill sensors.

They lost like the nonwhite cucks they are and have been bitter about it ever since despite never actually ever having had a claim to the islands in the first place.

Nigger, you're missing the point. Hypersonic missiles are irrelevant because vassal-class nations don't have them, or don't dare using them.

Correct, nigger.

GODSPEED, TOM - YOU WERE A TRUE /k/ommando

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“It’s really fast for a cruise missile, but it’s not particularly fast when you start thinking about ballistic missiles,” said David Wright, of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

popsci.com/hype-russia-hypersonic-missile

it's cosmoline, you stupid non-/k/ommando nigger.

That’s funny. I don’t see the Falkland Islands in Argentine hands… Almost as though they did, in fact, LOSE. Gee.

Just stop Pajeet, you are projecting too hard now… this description fits just one country in the world people would bother talking about and and thats India. Its reknown for it Worse you havent changed anything about it for the past 50 years.

They seriously covered it all in axle grease. Imagine shipping containers upon shipping containers filled with axle grease and tooling.

India is a bigger joke than China. They have ammo loaded with sand ffs.

HOW LEWD.

How much to buy a set of SKS tooling for one line?

The Chinese don't know how to build ships. There supertankers and container ship that bring billions of dollars in product to our markets everyday are a mirage. Fucking chinks

chink pls. The South Korean and Japanese shipbuilding industries DWARF China's. Considering the relative sizes of those nations, that tells you quite a lot.

eat a dick faggot

Argentinian shitskins are funny when they're angry.

You will never own the Falklands.

This is a very important question.

t. /k/omrade

TOP KEK

Learn proper Spanish btw, your country conjugates verbs all retarded. It irritates me.

Just be glad it isn't poo,

That's all that they need. They have the logistical capability to copy, then copy, and copy some more, enough to outnumber the originals.

Because they ONLY had 5… What if they had 50? Or 500? Or 5000?

Couldn't say for one line, I told em I was interested in inspecting said stuff before I threw an offer at them, hell they misplaced the tooling for D/M models which is what I was after in the first place. If it was anything like the M53 tooling I looked at over in Serbia, they'd probably want anywhere from 1m - 10m for it all.

Fair point but that's why their designs also have sea skimming attack.
Problem is maybe you can hit one with an anti missile missile. Maybe.
It then has 15 others with one popping up and target designating. Take that out, another takes its place.
They then attack you from all angles at once.

Nothing can stop that.

Keep being butthurt that the Ruskies have reduced your fleets to 3rd world nigger bashing.

The US carrier fleet and by extension most carrier fleets have been obsolete for decades now.
Nobody has yet figured out a way to track UK subs. Not even the UK.
Despite the yanks pouring a couple of kings ransoms into trying with the Russians probably doing the same.

Don't project your bias onto me, I don't have a dog in this bullshit internet argument by people who will never even see an aircraft carrier in real life never mind the missiles that get shot at them. I'm just making an observation that obviously rustles your jimmys.

Britain should've nuked Niggettina after that incident.

except their planes are shit and their pilots suck

they have stolen engine tech from the US and Russia to try to get their planes to launch from this ship

Stupid chinks are cucked enough to keep using that Bolshevik inspired star. When will they adopt a symbol that reflects Chinese history, like a swastika.

Don't even need super special missiles. Our navy is so retarded it's no surprise collisions don't happen more often.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

inb4

You subhuman baboon. You literal nigger.

How dare you speak, you swarthy jungle monkey. How dare you open your big lipped, rim encrusted, menthol cigarette smelling mouth?

You are human trash, Diego Tyrone LeShawn de Maradona. Universally despised, derided and mocked. Your nationality and skin tone offers no hope to the world that South America can ever prosper. Crawl back in to the Brazilian jungle you came out of, you literal orangutan.

I hope you decide to sail your grandfathers skip to the Falklands and rape some sheep, as is in the negroes nature. It would still be the whitest pussy you ever had. Give Nigel and Robert a chance for some target practice, your sole use to the world. Argentinians obsession with a few windswept islands in the Atlantic is hilarious but sad. Coincidentally its the only worthwhile contribution Argentina has made to the medical field. The MUH LAS MALVINAS sentiment in the average negro Argentinian is both an early warning sign of autism in children, and early on set Alzheimer's in adults.

Take your black hairy fingers off your keyboard, and never talk about the human species again, you mockery of our supposed shared ancestor.. No amount of olive oil and wheat flour slabbed on your face every morning will make you white. It's about as delusional of an idea as your daydreams of European heritage.

You nigger.

You make Bolivia look like a beacon of civilisation.

You are the Baltimore of South America.

Go fertilise the pampas with you and your families corpses, its the best you can hope for in life. For the first time in your life, nigger, you have a job making food for beings vastly superior to yourself. Uruguayan cattle. Coincidentally, it would be the first time an Argentinian "man" provided for a family.

Die, Diego. No one would miss you. Except for Australian Aboriginals, who now would have no one to make them look good.

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there are "missiles" that cost 10s of millions of dollars

Aircraft careers will be for the most part absolute