National socialism's political agenda - 25 points -

Getting rewarded for your ingenuity and hard work is perfectly compatible with National Socialism.

Wealth for the sake of more wealth and nothing else is cancerous.

It seems #11, 13, 14 don't respect that

Why not?

those things sound great

11. fuck usury kike
13. fuck multinationals kike
14. fuck allowing the fruits of labor to not go to those who did the labor kike

in summation, fuck off kike

Or fuck anyone who is successful?

You don't want to lead your people to more prosperity with your superior business skills and inventions? You want it all for yourself even though you would never be able to have so much success in some derelict African shithole?

ah fuck I didn't sage

he is advocating usury and hoping you don't realize it because the jew is a cockaroach that infest rotting garbage and hopes you don't ascertain his presence. Unearned income refers to interest, or even moreso the bongo robotic lemon wedge circle that is the stock market allowing accrual of interest simply by throwing money at it and watching it "grow" - hint: money does not grow, it circulates, if it is allowed to "grow" as it does thanks to filth that is usury you essentially get a cancerous malignant tumor in the pockets of kikes which they will defend to the death and say they earned by doing nothing. It's a disgusting and selfish system and should be abolished.

you're either literally retarded and unable to understand the concepts, an idiot and blatantly misinterpreting the concepts, or a shill who is feigning ignorance in the hopes to D&C and create a false consensus where it is absolutely ideologically illogical for one to exist. We do not support your banking ruse, kike.

i do realize it i'm just baiting him into finally answering

In NS everyone but the jude wins.

he won't answer, he is in a cozy room in tel aviv being paid shekels per post, he came here with a namefag title like "Hitler our guy?" and the entire intent of trying to defame NatSoc through his shilling, hoping the (simple) language of the tenets will obfuscate the meaning to an extent such that he can bamboozle us. Unfortunately said kike's inflated sense of self does not match his realworld understanding and subversive abilities so the attempt falls flat on its face immediately in a whirlwind of oy veying and retardation.

don't forget to kindly sage friend

Helping others is exactly how you get money… I'm not sure you understand the basics of business.

That would Ban banking? Not sure you understand how banks make money.

Lots of "theorists" here I see…

Wrong, in my bed in Texas.

Also, I literally put the exact agenda of Hitler to discuss, that is shilling?

Couldn't help but out yourself huh schlomo? For anyone that is confused what these statements mean is banks can longer get rich off of other peoples money.

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It doesn't say reduce for profit banking… That would have been fine

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yep ban banking and loaning at interest, it's an unsustainable cancer, usury should be a crime

nah but your approach is

it says your money can't make money, that is all, it doesn't say you can't save up and have money, it says you can't be like oy vey goyim here's this 1,000 she– er, eh, oy vey I mean dollars, it's just a small loan, you pay me back 30% interest or I take your house thanks goyim :^)

fuck usury it should be abolished at once

truthytrips

You'll still have credit to grow your economy, it just won't be coming from usurous kikes.

From what i'm reading you're either incredibly unknowledgeable on this subject and i suggest you lurk another year or two, or you're some weak shill/jew.

Because you are ignoring that usury is how you make money for doing nothing. Fuck off nameshit kike.

What's to discuss? Everyone already knew what the Nat Socialist stood for.

They were getting rid of the usurers who bled their people dry, just like the Wall Street cockroaches who bleed America dry.

What are you? Some amateur day trader faggot playing the kike stock market casino?

Buy, sell, doesn't matter what it is, so long as you make SHEKELS! - That is a retarded economic system. The stocks are high, but the wages and benefits of the workers keep getting slashed. The stocks markets don't represent the health of the economy. That's why every 10 years the bubbles pop and the whole thing comes crashing down. It's completely retarded.

It is to stop the leeches from sucking us out of blood.

I agree, all of the private banks should be nationalised to have control over national economy.

It is to stop nation from dying due to the hoarding. Money hoarding is like a clot to the vein that caused a stroke.

he is a shilljew (we need a good neologism for this, a single word to denote a jewish shill) that came in with a namefag despite the fact that we have IDs, and not only that, a namefag that is literally like a gawker headline "Hitler is our guy? 10 Reasons you might think otherwise!"

it came to this board with no knowledge of board culture whatsoever, I will no longer assign gender to shills because they do not deserve to be acknowledged in such a manner, it came here with no intent to learn and it hoped it was crafty enough with jewish tricks and training from Texal aviv to win favor despite this.

There is no redemption arc here, just DOTR for this disgusting shill. I hope he really is in Texas, be a shame if someone were to be glassed in the DOTR GTKRWN :&)

No, it doesn't mess with the successful people. It's targeted at the people who don't work but get the money from the hard working people.

maybe a shoe? a shilling jew, just an idea while we're at it

shew/shoo jew :^)

Or are we too paranoid? Anyway this guy don't understand a thing about the bank nor the leeches.

(nice trips)
I never heard of this book, could it be that it's been reprinted very recently? I'm seeing a lot of 2016 editions, but nothing earlier except some from 1972.

First of all, that's the NSDAP's points and not the points of NS
Second of all, kill yourself.

I'm just going to remind literally each and every one of you that almost every single European fascist that accomplished something worthy of note was a Socialist beforehand. Mosley and Mussolini were both Socialists. Only Hitler was actually a spy for the German government who infiltrated the German Workers Party before actually becoming convinced of the German workers plight.

eh I'd rather glass an idiot than allow shills to tear this board apart, rather be aggressive in removal than try to constantly be reasonable. If it was a real user he has to learn that sometimes you have to be able to take the heat. I have been on imageboards for a long long time and being absolutely blasted to shit if you're an idiot has always been a part of the culture. It's a self defense mechanism, I'm a nice and decent human being but when here I'm speaking solely for the express benefit of WE, the whole, and our ideas/goals.

this

the system has made loans risk free for the funder. when they lose money on the loan, they either get it back through your collateral or they get reimbursed by the government.

already this happened with the bank bailout in 2008

Not a shill or unaware of how modern economies function, so the problem is on your end.

You're not accepting that the economic points are so broad that you'd easily be "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" so to speak.

Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor is also very good and not too long.

I see that you haven't read The young Hitler i knew.

or MK for that matter.

The rest could be about everyone sticking dildos up their asses while singing kumbaya.

Breaking the chains of debt base thralldom (fiat money, fractional reserve banking) is one of the most important things we have to do.
ASAP.

You have no money, you have debt.

I can't agree with you because you are right.

You have a warped sense of what successful means, which is not surprising since you believe that the shit we call money is actual money and not just a jedi mind trick.

Do you have a wife and children?
Back then you could take a loan on a house and if you made 4 kids the loan was anulled.

You fuck your waifu for 4 years and you got a house.
That's more success that most people have nowadays, and this is just a single example.

specifically, every child cut away 25% of the loan.

Anybody got a link to a download? Been searching and came up with no links. The only .pdf link on the net seems to have been shoahed. It's not in my Zundel Bunker mega file either.

ia802509.us.archive.org/13/items/GermanySpeaks/Germany Speaks.pdf

thank you user

>(((capitalism))) shill thread
go suck shlohmos skinless dick OP

If they weren't so broad, there would be loopholes (often by design) to allow kikes to continue their kikery.

But If you think you're so right, then show a specific situation where earning money would not be immoral but would not be allowed under this ideology?

This, it's a real shame the modern left traded economic socialism for cultural socialism or we'd have a lot more potential allies. If there are still principled non-SocJus leftists they would be on board with the NS economic agenda.

I love Hitler so fucking much, you guys. Even one year ago, I would have meant that as a joke, but now. . .

Yeah, I like making money too.

Soon you will realize that lolbertarian individualism is extremely exploitable by kikes.
What are you doing in Holla Forums if you're not even willing to sacrifice anything for your own people?
I suggest you read more about economics and quality of life before and after NSDAP got elected.
Fuck the free market. Come to Stage 3 or stay kiked.

Jew. You earn what you get. You produce more, you earn more. You produce nothing, you earn nothing. Welcome to the real world. Corporations and trusts were nationalized. Its not capitalism. Were in control of our country, not capitalists and Jews. Only a member of the race can be a citizen, so the only people owning anything are Germans anyways. Profit sharing is already something many companies do, on their own volition. By making sure every German has a stake in the success of the nation and its industry, it increases the overall productivity and prosperity. Everyone is successful, instead of just a few kikes who want to fuck the country over and hoard money. Despite being something they to a small degree veered away from in later years, because people who got long knived had too much impact on it,there is absolutely nothing wrong with those provisions.

Reported.

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Oy vey! Can't I give you a loan, goyim? Just a small one! I promise I'll give you a good interest rate.
I love reading this post, it confirms that the Jews are so feeble that they can't do anything but leech.
"The latter are cruel: there is no charity in nature; there is no mercy. There is no safety net in nature for marginal beings…There is no equality in nature or anything resembling democracy. Nature is to be feared."
LEL

That's not percentages work though.

Take loan for $100
Still owe $75
And so forth. So it must have been a flat rate of 25% of principle per child up to 4 children (otherwise debtor would owe you money and it would be a 'business' to have children)

Fucking kek. Eternal victims.

It is exactly how it works. You just need to define what you take a percentage off.

Money hoarding is a problem, but profit sharing was more about(contributing to an overall plan of) creating a unified forward striving effort among the people. They see the reward for their individual efforts, because individual productivity is to be rewarded, and so they work harder. Everyone works that bit harder, and so everyone becomes that much better off, and then they see everything improving, constantly, repeating the pattern over and over. They feel themselves rapidly pulling themselves up by their boot straps, energized by the overall glory and pride and new found prosperity. The entire nation and people start to give it their all, to show they are truly the best, and to see just how far and how great they can truly become. This concept I tried to detail in my own words is put together much better in "Those Damned Nazis" by Goebbels, its like a 5-10 minute read.

On the topic of lolbergs: I was just reading a comment on youtube from some guy claiming the free market would solve the EU's migration problem.

Care to elaborate?

Can't find the exact comment anymore, but it was something like

As far as the concepts of the NSDAP the proof is in the pudding. Compare quality of life in Hitler's Germany to either the Weimar Republic which predated it or look at a comparison of a place like the US in its current state. Capitalism in the context of American entrepreneurship never had shit to do with usury. Capitalism in the context of American entrepreneurship is about innovation, solving a problem, making something better and seeing a substantial reward for that. I would argue that is a fundamentally different concept of capitalism all together from Jewish capitalism which is in effect loan sharking, financial speculation and manipulation (market crashing), real estate manipulation and so forth. The Jew uses weapons of financial manipulation to make money without doing anything but debt leveraging you then taking your shit when you're 1 payment behind on your 20% compound interest loan.
Aryan capitalism = innovation + compensation
Jewish capitalism = manipulation + greed
Learn the difference because no one in the NSDAP to my knowledge wanted to cease innovation / being rewarded for hard work or for easy transferability of concept let's call it the equivelant of the "American dream" or just "the American dream" (owning a home, having a family, having money for bullshit and vacations, not being a debt slave)
Hitler wanted to ensure that "the American dream" was attainable forever by removing Jewry (usury and financial manipulation) from the equation.

Also friendly reminder the last time someone did this (Qaddafi) the kikes turned the country into a hellhole. They're currently trying to do the same in Syria and failing miserably and they'd love to do it to Iran too but the kikes are too chicken shit to try it there.

Heil Hitler, Heil Victory

Kinda remind me of this.

I wish that there were a political party in the United States which adopted such points. Hyphen-Americans can't be citizens? That would solve most of our problems. Forbid speculation on property, which drives the cost of housing beyond what most Americans can actually pay for? I see no downside. I really don't understand the lolberg compulsion to nail oneself to the cross to die for the ROI of a small fraction of the population.

A man is nothing without his people, and the people should not suffer for the benefit of the man.

Here's your sage.

But these were suggestions of the early NSDAP during the great depression. They still had the strasserists lefties in their party that were purged later on. the Nazis themselves didn't follow this agenda anymore when they took power as this was made at the very beginning of their political rise before they had matured as a movement.

They veered away from it, but they didnt abandon it. You are right that people who got long knived as I said above had too much of an impact on it at the time, but for example nationalization of corporations and trusts was one of the main things that Goebbels was so excited about, which Hitler personally conveyed to him as one of his personal ideas. He writes about it in his diaries.

Guess I should have saged that, but discussions about the actual details of the ideology are so few and far between, even if OP is a faggot.

I never considered myself a national socialist, always thought that to be extreme, but I actually agree with most of that document. Thanks OP.

M8 the guy who wrote these economic points was never put into power. The Nazis were corporatists just like the Italians. They basically created the welfare system Germany used today. But the whole thing of abolishing interest rates etc they never actually did. They purged the commie (strasserists) part of the party anyways which the guy who made these points was a part of. They planned for a second revolution to turn Germany into a racialist Soviet union without the Marxist social policies.

"Following pressure from Walther Funk, Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Friedrich Flick, Fritz Thyssen, Hjalmar Schacht and Emil Kirdorf, Hitler decided to move the party away from Feder's economic views; when Hitler became Reichskanzler in 1933, he appointed Feder as under-secretary at the ministry of economics in July. This disappointed Feder, who had hoped for a much higher position"

"After the Night of the Long Knives in June 1934, where SA leaders like Ernst Röhm and left-leaning party officials like Gregor Strasser were murdered, Feder lost favor with Hitler and began to withdraw from the government"

Also Im no expert on the German economy in practice, Ive done more reading about the NSDAP proposals before coming to power, which obviously dont match them in action. I do know however that from reading the 41-2 Goebbels diaries, that he was the one setting the price of potatoes, and deciding if things like liquor would be consumed by Berlin, or the mountaineers in I believe it was Norway who had no opportunity to take vacation leave. The government exercised great authority over the markets. Maybe this could be explained as war time policy, apparently its much easier to get the later diaries than the early years.

kike/10

Capitalism is a cancer that must be addressed by Fascism. The only solution is to embrace the "Socialism" in National Socialism.

Well yes they were corporatists. Germany still is a corporatists country with the state being shareholder of selected sectors etc. The way these things go they always crystalize into a less radical version of their starting point. Stuff you think are a great idea during a time were an apple costs 5 billion Reichsmark might not be that much of a good idea in the pre-war boom of the 1940s

Correct me if Im wrong, but corporatist implies the corporations run the government. Like, say, Canada's Crown corporations where the government gives them money, and they run the government unelected. Thats the opposite.

Oh no, you can't import cheap black/brown/yellow labor to work on your plantations? How will you ever take the prize from the white man?

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Supposedly Canada has over 400 crown corporations, and the guy responsible for being the minister at the top of it all has no idea how many there actually are. They are companies that are "owned" by the Canadian government, but run by random people who just fuck the country over and steal hundreds of millions, and billions of dollars regularly. Theres a book written about it called "Uneasy Lies The Head: The Truth About Canada's Crown Corporations". I dont have a link, its from 87 I got it in a used book store. Its kinda like how to NOT do National Socialism in terms of government owned corporations. Its like how to run a corrupt system where the people are robbed blind every single day by unseen forces, pretty much.

It's different when the government actually for a large part organizes these corporations. In that case, the government still has power but it'll work together with different corporate sectors to ensure workers' rights.

When we talk about corporatism today it's mostly to denote the enormous power large corporations have over governments because of lobbying, money and the possibility to shut factories down at a whim, thereby pressuring governments for special rights.

Cultured-thug is a great channel

I think the problem with this thread is that no-one actually is pro or anti Nazis for economic reasons here. Especially if you consider that the Nazis were just one of other similar voelkish parties at that time who only differed in economic outlook and eventually were absorbed by the stronger more successfully NSDAP.

DVFP, DNVP, Alldeutscher Verband etc

So terms of economics and degree of modernism/radicalism you can pick your poison. You'll even find some that were pro-monarchy and wanted to revive the old guild system. All of them eventually joined the NSDAP

The free market wouldn't care about ethnic replacement or moral degeneracy if they could get cheaper labor without efficiency loss out of it.
It doesn't care about survival, culture or virtue, just shekels.

I bet the faggot who wrote that doesn't have a job that's in danger of being taken by immigration, so in utter disdain for his own people he doesn't care about those who do.

Really? That is because you don't want to earn your money. You are part of the problem.

Lolbergs always completely ignore the reality that:

a) >85% of people are too stupid to handle complete personal freedom and will thus be easily manipulated all their life, whether it be in politics, by commercials, or in any other domain

b) there will always be (((people))) who won't play by the rules and abuse the 'free market' to get what they want

So what about Karl Marx's critique of Capitalism?

That's not what it means. Unless you're into Micheal Moore.

Corporatism is a form of right-wing syndicalism. It's origins are in Christian corporatism of the 19th century, the guild system of old and ex-marxiet Sorel.

corporatism, Italian corporativismo, also called corporativism, the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction.

The chief spokesman for this corporatism—or “distributism,” as it was later called in Germany—was Adam Müller, the court philosopher for Prince Klemens Metternich. Müller’s attacks on French egalitarianism and on the laissez-faire economics of the Scottish political economist Adam Smith were vigorous attempts to find a modern justification for traditional institutions and led him to conceive of a modernized Ständestaat (“class state”)

a decree created 22 corporations—each for a particular field of economic activity (categoria) and each responsible not only for the administration of labour contracts but also for the promotion of the interests of its field in general. At the head of each corporation was a council, on which employers and employees had equal representation.

That was in Italy, Germany had their own take on it and this system is still in place today in part. Large German businesses like VW have to have 50% of their executive council be real employees to give the workers a say. I can't say it's not working. Also the German state is a major shareholder in many welfare related endurance companies to provide universal healthcare

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Ha, those are all runes or combinations of runes the overlap has to do with representing the turn of the rune and its unturn. The choice of runes are merely callback to older battles and victories, the war continues anyway.

The economic ideas mostly came from Hitler himself, all the stuff about the individual running businesses, and every invention and innovation being the product of an individuals mind, about nationalization of corporations and trusts, Im pretty sure the "if we can make it ourselves, why would we buy it from France" type stuff was Hitler too. Paying people to help a team build their homes with a partial loan from a government bank with no interest on it - to get them trained and out of jewish owned slums, on top of giving them enough land to grow their own gardens might have been someone else, thats part of the economic platform not in the 25 points. Everything Ive seen regarding the NSDAP economic ideas as proposals or in practice is desirable from my view.

Well then I was mistaken.

Hitler was generally not much into economics other than for the social aspects of it. His analysis of why workers join communists parties out of revangism is spot on. But in terms of real hard numbers he was an idealist.

Hitler met Gottfried Feder (the guy who was responsible for those points taken right out of his book) on an anti-bolshevism course sponsored by the German army and that guy would eventually become Hitlers mentor in finance and economics.

So yea Hitler agrees with the points but not because he actually had studied economics but because he was convinced by his mentor.

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The japanese have had profit-sharing for a long time and they're not doing so bad. You shouldn't forget that if an employee's paycheck is more or less a flat value based on how long he's been working in the company, they may have an incentive to keep up appearances, but no incentive to do their best creating an actual good end product and thus a good net result. Profit-sharing makes companies quite a lot profitable. Also remember that this refers to some completely different dimensions. A lot of today's major companies don't even make any actual profits. They run red numbers, take out loans to pay the dividends, and after all expenses, all excess money is immediately deduced to either finance bonuses or additional dividends. Compare that to regulation that assumes that in that nation actual profits are being made and accounted as such.

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Trusts are an additional vector for cartels and collusion among competitors. Big no-no if you want your country's economy to do well.

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Usury, but additionally, trading in and of itself only creates a need for a paid middleman where there really is none by squatting on resource channels. It affects the economy the same way as taxing the shit out of it or creating the same scarcity of currency we already face. All the money that goes to a trader could be reinvested into improving whatever product or service each company is making, or if it is left in excess anyway, put towards funding additional scientists.

>ia802509.us.archive.org/13/items/GermanySpeaks/Germany Speaks.pdf
Thanks user.

There is no such thing as a free market. I'm not a nazi, but you pathetic fucking kike puppets will hang from lampposts all the same.

Feder was responsible for the abolition of usury rhetoric, but the concept of National Socialism and its economic aspects were mostly Hitler himself. From what Ive heard they also didnt really employ Feders advice, at least in full. There were also other people like Drexler involved.

Agreed, but it's not that they are stupid, the mind has many weak points. Propaganda and psyops use scientifically proven techniques. Many of us were bluepilled once.

Freedom, not just economic freedom, is easily manipulated into working against your own interests, e.g.
This idea is spread like the plague through studied and tested persuasion techniques in the monopolized media. Throw in muh party life, feminism, LGBT crap and white guilt and suddenly white birth rate plummets.

They really ruin everything. There's a reason they used to be expelled from every country until their media game got too good.

Yea. I was mostly refering to the points OP disagreed with. The most radical ones. You're right Hitler played a huge role in shaping the NS ideology. Before he joined the party it was mostly a secretive club for right wingers. But at the time this document was published Hitler didn't have complete control of the party. He was just the main orator because of his talents. He became the fuhrer and replaced the party council one year later so it's hard to say whether all those ideas on the 25 points are his doing. Especially if you consider that Drexler who founded the party way before Hitler joined was involved in it.

You're right that it's not really stupidity, more like the inability to handle being uprooted from your societal framework and having to completely fill your life from a blank slate.

E. Michael Jones has a great book about this about how once humans were led to believe that complete freedom to do with you want is the highest achievement, they actually lost their freedom because from that point on all you had to do was play on their lusts and desires in order to manipulate them. The father of modern advertising was Edward Bernays, a nephew of Sigmund Freud (both jews), the famous psychoanalyst who perfected this theory of manipulation on the individual level. Bernays then took that and applied it to a larger audience.

Most of the program is pretty solid, but some parts are quite vague and could be twisted to mean anything by a resourceful lawyer. The program would've been a lot better if it had been either less comprehensive or more precise.

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If all unearned income was to be abolished it would basically amount to a 100% inheritance tax and gifting anything to your children (or anyone else for that matter) would be a violation of the law. Most people work to provide a better life for their children and grandchildren, not for themselves and punishing them for it makes no sense. Paying for your son's son's college education shouldn't be against the law.

It sounds like socialist nonsense, but there's probably a good historical reason for it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
If profit sharing was a good idea (it isn't) then why shouldn't smaller industries also share profits?
Again, it sounds like venezuela-tier socialist nonsense. Why should large industries subsidize smaller industries?

Giving away profit makes companies less profitable. That one should be obvious, user.

meant for

If usury (the act of lending money) is not work, then dancing, playing the piano, acting, etc. is not work either.

If trading is considered unearned income (i don't see how), then all all retail stores would have to close and we'd all have to shop at the factories to prevent traders from making a buck. 11. makes no sense.

God damnit, even today I was posting about Aristotelian Virtues and how we should teach that in school….that is a very accurate Run Down image, SAVED!

Goddamn Reddit spacing motherfuckers. Go back to your goddamn shit website and stop polluting ours.

I've seen more basic newfag stupidity lately ("OMG what do you mean National Socialism isn't SOCIALISM???"; "What do you mean capitalism is just another form of Jewry?? Whut about muh free markets???"). Get fucked and go back to your shitholes. Or lurk for like 1488 years before you open your uninformed dicksucking cock-holster.

Do you know how i know you're a troll?

Do you even know what reddit spacing is, nigger? Or are you so untermensch that you get confused between paragraph breaks and actual reddit spacing?

Fascism = state capitalism.

Lending someone money and making them pay you significantly more than you originally gave (usury) perfectly falls under the category of "not work". You have just sat around on your fat kike ass and profited off of another person's unfortunate situation.
Comparing the arts to usury is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

That's my point. Using your enter/return key and making your post easier to read is not reddit spacing.

How can you compare something as noble and important as art to usury?

Do you honestly believe that opening a bank, hiring architects, hiring bank tellers, secretaries, researching the markets, etc. etc. is less work than putting on some clothes and walking down the catwalk? Banker is a tough job and it's definitely more work than being a model or a actor.

Reminder that one of the main reasons everything is so goddamn expensive is ==MONEY LENDING==

Oh, we need muh banks to exist, and banks require usury to make a profit, right? Or else how could we pay for cars and houses, right?

No, it's like with college tuition and the introduction of easily-available student loans. Back in the day, college was cheap. Now, it's super expensive. Why? Because giving loans to everyone so that they could up-front pay for things and then deal with the expenses later allows you to get away with raising the price. Same with housing. Mortgages allow house costs to rise dramatically because they allow customers to be able to afford things. More available (effectively) money leads to price hikes, because customers can afford to pay.

BAN USURY

You better be joking. Anyone can go on stage and start singing. What does it take to be an actor or a singer? Almost nothing. Studying markets and the economy is very difficult, which is why there are a lot more actors than bankers.

At this point i'm sure you're trolling, this is just too obvious

Why hello there Marx.

OP, I really wouldn't worry about those points. All of those points were ignored by Hitler and never formally enacted. Considering how great Germany was at the time, wanting to bog it down with socialist filth like that would have been suicide, something that Hitler was aware of.

It really must be hard being this fucking stupid. "State Capitalism" is basically the ChiComs. Fascism is simply recognizing and abiding by the laws of nature. Basically every single institution and principle that's been undermined by Jewry was, at one point, an expression of natural law arising out of conditions conducive to our K-selected species (western civ). "Fascism" is simply an appeal to codify those paradigms and enshrine them in a way that ensure they are never undermined again.

Jesus Christ you fucking plebes and your plebe logic. "Unearned Income" is Usury, speculation, monetary manipulation and every single other jew-based monetary scheme we've ever read about throughout history. It is NOT inheritance, It is NOT being a model, or actor, or whatever. Ease of work doesn't mean shit. "Unearned income" is literally kike income that everyone knows.

The fact that you idiots are being spergie obtuse basement dwellers that can't see the forest through the trees on that issue is proof that we need a goddamn DOTR.

For fuck's sake, it's still WORK. Singing and shit may be easier than manual labor, and we can probably all agree that these dancing monkeys get paid more than they are worth and that actually having a craft is more honorable, but it's still WORK. You have to appeal to an audience base. You perform a service, and you get compensated for it. It's not kike usury. It's not speculating. It's not using your kike money to buy up a shitload of something to sell it off and crash the market —- just to buy it up again at rock bottom prices with the money you made selling it in the first place.

All of this shit is about ending Jewry and allowing non-kike principles and practices to take root again in the West.

That's not an argument.

Why don't you tell me all the reasons why you think that being a singer in the music industry is a more legitimate job than being a businessman in the finance industry?

None of this relates to the act of usury you retard.
Listen, go be a jew somewhere else.

Checked. It's always so easy to spot these kikes by their shitty deconstructionist arguments and pilpul garbage.

these trips sum it up nicely

Lending money is not just harder work, it's also a lot more beneficial to society, which is another reason why bankers earn more and indeed deserve the right to earn money. They're directing funds to new industries that would not get off the ground without third party financing. That's obviously more important than being able to sing a song.

Do you know how i know you're a newfag?

I get it. I was once like you. The Chris Cantwell type who can get behind 95% of the logic and reason behind NATSOC but couldn't ride the title because there were some things you liked that came with modernity for you to reject. One being that a CEO has the right to milk the workers and profit as much as he can. A 200:1 ratio paygap. A 20,000:1 gap even, it doesn't matter. It's his business and he can do whatever he feels like because you don't have the right to tell him how much profit he can squeeze out of the worker paying them the least shekels possible, and then we wonder why the lower class is where all revolutions spawn from.

With this, shekels > everything logic, nothing about today's economic system should be of complaint. After all the CEO and the business leaders have every right to support the importation of cheaper labor because you're too greedy to want a higher wage and a decent living after putting blood, sweat, time, and tears into building their business. You don't have a right to demand anything because you're replaceable. In fact you should be cheering on H1B Visa's for allowing businesses to reap even more profits, yet again because you wont work for less and live in squalor to support their incessant thirst for more riches. This is the "American Dream" that someday you too will be able to run your own business in the hopes for being able to treat your fellow kith and kin as slaves because they deserve nothing. You, Mr. Business Operator, are the king and you don't need them at all. No, they need YOU and as they fulfill your dream by building your business they should be thankful that you're providing them the opportunity to build your empire!

You see. Without spirituality you'll never understand what National Socialism is, was, and will be. It's not about poking holes in flawed arguments. It's about the return to a tribal community on a grand scale, something we've lost since the industrial age for good and began to lose even earlier with the collapse of Monarchy, spirituality, and morality that came from the Enlightenment and French Revolution. As lame as it may sound in this decadent era, if you can't see through the eyes of a spiritual nature then none of this will ever compute. It just wont. Spirituality also has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.

Are you idiots defending the debt slavery because you want to promote the freedom of international banking to enslave nations opportunistically? Hey, I guess the IMF should continue to enslave African nations so that, when they inevitably collapse economically, they can all pour into Western nations, it's their freedom to!

Nationalization was necessary, but it wasn't complete freedom to subvert and run amok, but it wasn't complete state control. It was hands-off until you deviated and became anti-German.
I'm not sure about the profit-sharing. I don't believe it was "we will take assets from big business" because private companies didn't collapse under the Reich.

Hitler was the first to attempt an Aryan restoration since 'The Fall'. There is no comparison in recorded history.

To me, it was the question of "is wealth the only thing that matters and does all the benefits of NS follow even if you pursue wealth without regard for anything else, like culture or ethnic citizenship"? The answer was definitively no. The free market is inherently globalist, if there is no restrictions on trade, then no state borders can exist in a free market (they restrict trade and freedom, after all). It's deliberately internationalist, which is contradictory if you're an ultranationalist.

Nigger, it's not the lending that's the problem. It's the fucking Usury.

boomers are more of a cancer than your average /salt-left/ user

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

Sounds like all lending practices (and modeling) would be abolished. Also, who is to say what is usury and what isn't? Making usury illegal would basically outlaw high finance and would make financing anything a nightmare.

I'd use the Japanese post-war system where the state-controlled central bank gave direct orders to banks on what sectors should be given credit and how much. It worked pretty well for them for decades until they lost control of their central bank after the manufactured '91 bubble burst.

This would make bankers the middle-men they always claim to be.

Yeah, they defined what work was. Anti-German nonsense, or anti-anything, was outlawed. Playing markets and shorting currencies, for example, or nation-wrecking financial activities, were punished. That doesn't mean lending, full stop, did not exist. It means that lending with righteous intention for the people of the nation was allowed, like for small business. Many loans were interest-free to incentivize growth on a smaller scale, to the average worker.
The issue you're getting at is wrong: it wasn't that "any profit off lending was outlawed, and profit was bastardized". That's a Marxist pipe dream, nothing of the sort can ever be achieved. If what you think occurred was true, they would have collapsed a week after the NSDAP took power.

563cde is not reddit spacing, he's using single spacing to make line breaks. Reddit spacing is using excessive double spacing due to Reddit's formatting.

I agree that politically-motivated loans are basically the only alternative to profit-motivated loans. The difference is that a state-owned central bank will always be bailed out by the taxpayers, and as a result they'll make terrible loans, which inevitably go bad. At least the banker is worried about his business, the chairman of some committee doesn't care if the loan to his cousin goes bad and the state may very well decide that your industry is not worthy of being financed or worse, they may not have the funds. So what you are going to do as a businessmen? Step across the border to get a loan? That's illegal!

Thank you, i was almost certain that they did not intend on going the marxist route, which is why wrote in that i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. Hindsight is 20/20 and we don't have to speculate as to what their true intentions in 1920 were.

They weren't allowed to do that. Banks had very strict guidelines on how much and who they could lend to. It worked for almost 40 years, look it up it's called 'window guidance'. If the nips can do it why not Europeans?

Modern bankers obviously don't care about doing good business because they're the ones creating the bubbles and reaping the profits. Leaving something as vital as credit creation in the hands of private entities is a recipe for doom.

And why would central banks need bailouts? Only commercial banks need bailouts, central banks can never go into default.

Go take a look at Princes of the Yen, it explains in great detail how the system worked and why it collapsed.

youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY&t

Sure, you can keep what you earn, but there's a difference between starting a business and selling some product or service versus international finance and shorting currencies, like the following video: hooktube.com/watch?v=SxkKyAVn5yo. These practices destroy nations and cause eternal slavery. Profiting off of absolute and eternal catastrophe makes citizens drones without meaning. You cannot honestly compare small business to what the NSDAP was referring to. Think about the historical context, too. This was right after the Weimar hyperinflation catastrophe. I would only expect the reaction; to be frank, I think it was not as extreme as it should have been.

It just doesn't make sense, either. I've heard this all the time, that they were actually hard socialists by the capitalists/free market crowd and that they were actually capitalists by the socialist crowd. That's why arguing from these false dichotomies will get you nowhere. It wasn't "you can never get any interest from any loan" and it wasn't "international financiers can openly short markets and enslave our people in a cycle of dependency on their efforts, it's the free market after all".

You speak like a kike lawyer. Focusing on the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law. Everyone knows what they were talking about. Loans are not income, because they are paid back. Interest on that loan is unearned income. And Usury is excessive amount of interest. Most often associated with the phrase "predatory lending" aimed at people who are on hard times seeking to get by —– hard times created by the fucking Jews in the first place. See Post-WWI Germany for the quintessential example. Jews back the shabbos-goy Brits in exchange for their fucking Israeli wet-dream (Balfour Declaration). Then proceed to profit off of the post-war German misery — turning it into a fucking Sodom/Gomorrah hellhole until Uncle Adolph came along and got rid of their shit.

Usury is always defined as interest on a loan that is predatory in nature or disproportionately benefiting the lender. It's been that way since Roman Times. Which is why the Church outlawed interest, of ANY rate, be charged to loans. They even outlawed jew tricks to get around those usury laws, which were to charge "fees" to loans.

Because Jews. That's why.

Once Jews are eliminated, discussions regarding what could be acceptable as an 'incentive' to loan could be had. Until then, there's no point. Because fucking Jews would shit it all up.

Obviously, that doesn't mean there's no point discussing this now

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I'm open to suggestions then.

The interest that is charged is because of the risk of giving someone money when you aren't sure that they will pay you back, although that doesn't make sense when, if they default, you just possess all their assets and sell it to make back the amount of the loan, and then some.

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i think that's the best way to secure the flow of credit

Thanks, Watching it now.

So is leaving it in the hands of government. Men are fallible wether they work for the state or private entities and
there are countless of examples in history of currupt public servants and government officials who have robbed their people blind.

There's no real difference in practice. The people who hold the currency and pay the taxes suffer whenever a private or public bank is propped up. In the good ol' days bankers stood with theirbacks against the wall. If their loans went bad, they had to shut down (that's not true today as you have pointed out, but traditionally bankers would go bankrupt)

like hell it is. all it does is create a surplus of up-front wealth that inflates costs because of the effective increase in circulating capital, which then requires even more people to take out loans to afford necessary things, which further inflates the costs…

Look at housing prices
Look at college tuition

THIS SHIT IS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE OF LOANS

A central bank is not simply a public bank, it's the bank of banks, it can create money itself. You can't bail out a central bank.

You're right about governments being corruptible, but that's something that could happen in a world where jews don't even exist. I'd rather leave my credit control in the hands of a government responsible to its volk than to private entities that can conspire to use it any way they feel like.

Interest represents the time value of money. You can only lend money which you saved, i.e. did not spend on other things and the interest is your reward for risking letting someone else spend it.

The riskier i.e. poorer the person you lend to, the more return you will need to get before you are willing to lend.

Outlawing high interest rates harms poor people the most, because it makes it not worth anyone's time to lend to them, so they don't. Poor people then have less access to credit and thus less opportunity to escape poverty.

No, infinite lending and "our nation is in economic shambles, let's get loans to pay off loans to…" is wrong, short-term loans are fine. If I borrow funds to start a small business, then pay it back when I succeed, there's nothing wrong with that. Some short-term assistance without debilitating conditions that pre-determine failure is normal for an economy.
Housing prices are expensive because people buy up houses, either live in them or just wait until their buddies buy houses so the prices increase. That, and a bunch of other factors I don't know enough about. But even if houses were all occupied by families with children, prices would still increase if no new houses were being built, or if mortgages were wracked with interest that would never be paid off.
I don't know why tuition is really expensive. I would guess a lack of an alternative that doesn't charge as much because they have a monopoly on the market? If that's the case, then anything they charge will be "fair".

You need credit to grow an economy. However, you can allocate it in a way that it doesn't create inflation, by only allocating it to sectors that contribute to real GDP, ie small and mediumsized business.

This means no credit for the stock market, no credit to buy houses, these don't contribute to the real economy, they don't create new jobs, goods or services. They're just exchanges of property titles.

This would require the entire banking system to be regulated from above though, but it's not impossible. See

Interest is a risk signal, so it's actually impossible to lend money to high-risk high-reward industries without hiking interest rates. If the chance of an oil exploration company to find oil is only 10%, then the interst rate has to reflect that. Even a state-owned bank could not afford to make "affordable" loans to high-risk industries.

I wasn't there when they wrote it.

That is absurd.

In a free market, loans can be used by people without capital i.e. middle and working class people, to create business which they would be unable to without the loans.

The modern perversion is entirely due to State meddling in finance. The banks are doing this shit, because they know that the State will steal form us to keep them solvent and enforce regulations which destroys their competitors

Anyone else notice the shills new tactic of highlighting the association between the Third Reich and socialism? Seems to be their new favorite, I'm seeing it all over the place.

Well, if higher interest rates are justified because poorer individuals are poor for a reason (they're so poor, it's already a risky 'investment', so this means I can charge higher interest rates because something made them poor to begin with), then what makes you sure that the initial investment, regardless of interest, was worth it at all? Perhaps the poor individuals are so poor that they will always be poor and cannot ever pay you back. Then, they'd have taken out your money and will need another loan to pay it back, and another loan to pay that one back, and so on. It's over-estimation with a nefarious motivation.

There's basically 2 books plus a big section in another book about this point. So if you want to understand the spirit of it you can do it pretty easily.

Then you would never get the principle back and would lose your money and also be laughed at for making a dumb loan to a dumb person.

You also do not need any justification for offering whatever interest rate to whoever you want; they're not obliged to take the loan, just as you are not obliged to offer a below market interest rate.

Not because of loans, because of zero-risk govt-backed loans. Subsidized student loans are govt-ensured —- meaning that a debt obtained via those avenues are literally non-dischargeable. No bankruptcy can get rid of it. It's a debt for life. This isn't my opinion. It's legal fact.

Lending implies a risk profile of the lender to the lendee. Which is usually overcome by incentives, such as the interest rate. If you're NEVER allowed to discharge the debt………EVER — then there is no risk to the lender. And therefore they are always willing to shell out loan after loan after loan without end.

I understand the theoretical idea behind interest rates regarding high risk individuals. However that's the excuse kikes use to continually practice their Usury.

High interest rates need to be banned. Period. They were illegal for thousands of years for a reason. The reason being the world we live in today. A debt based monetary system.

If you cannot stomach lending to a high risk individual — THEN DONT FUCKING LEND TO THEM. It's as simple as that. High interest rates to high risk individuals literally are how they are making slaves of everyone now. Translation: Usury aimed at "poor" individuals. Which is Kike 101.

Well, the loans that are sent out will be meaningless if the business fails. The issue is that, if a small business fails because of some monopoly or poor conditions, then it is precisely in the interests of the bank to give out loans to people who fail. That just means they're guaranteed to not pay, so they will default and have their assets (and then some) repossessed.

You do get the principle back, you repossess all their assets. If they're poor and they have no assets, then under no circumstance, regardless of interest rates, will poor people ever have loans of a certain amount beyond a threshold (that the bank sets for acceptable loss, which I'm sure is insufficient for starting a business or any enterprise) given out to them. So it's completely independent of interest rates.

It would be pretty easy if you'd post a download link.

Either you are a Jew, a lolturd, or a Neocon fuckwit. Regardless of which it is, the answer is always the same.

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Well, if you decide to operate willy-nilly and set it as high as you want "because you can", nobody will give you the time of day.
It's an issue when all the loans and everybody who has control of any wealth to loan out decides that they will, devoid of restrictions of any form, decide to set interests rates as high as they want because nobody else exists to push them out. They can just dominate the market because no alternatives viable enough exist, nor can they ever generate enough momentum to replace the dominance to begin with.

Get gassed, kike. Did you get lost on your way to lolbertard land? The illusion of free choice and "freedumb" is how we got to this crossroad. If your fucking bullshit theory of "they can always decline the terms!" was correct, then literally no one would be in debt up to their fucking eyeballs the way almost ALL of the Western world is now.

Is this what they parrot in /trannypol/ these days?

I'll let it slid this time.
media.8ch.net/pdfs/src/1421139130259-0.pdf
ia601308.us.archive.org/7/items/GottfriedFederTheGermanStateOnANationalAndSocialistFoundation/Gottfried Feder - The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation.pdf
ia600606.us.archive.org/23/items/GottfriedFeder_TheProgramOfTheNSDAP/Gottfried Feder - The Program of the NSDAP - The National Socialist Workers' Party and its General Conceptions.pdf

How can it be fascist if the private owners don't control businesses freely? Capitalism is the absence of all restriction to allow businesses to trade w/o restriction/impediment. Restrictions existing makes it less capitalist, which is why fascism wasn't capitalist.

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To all the free market crowd, look up Winterhilfswerk. Vid related, watch at least from 1:37 onwards.

Reminds me of how Israel aired pornography on Palestinian TV as a psyop if I'm not mistaken.
Psychology is truly a jewish science.

This.

Quality post. Capped

I actually agree with those points, in a Keynesian economy, money where there is no product in exchange merely suffocates the dollar. That is to say, people who earn money by doing nothing at all are probably hurting the economy. For example, someone who is earning money through a trust fund and is not contributing to society. Or someone who perhaps makes money by loaning people the money that other people asked him to hold onto. In fact, that last one sounds pretty fishy, what happens if the person they loaned to defaults on the money? Does the bank close down and steal the money from the original person?

I'd have to agree that money has to be the result of producing something for the economy. I think we're all very tired of seeing people earn cash by exploiting others. The only one I disagree with is profit sharing in large industries. Instead simply have an obligation in the company towards the German people. This will result in the same outcome. Another proposal would be that all workers own a share of the company by default, meaning that they are entitled to raises as per the company profits. Not all the profit, mind you, since the company needs room to expand, but a fair amount should be distributed.

This. NATSOC is more of a philosophy then a government type. Normies fail to understand this.

why worry about kikes for this type of discussion? they will all be dead soon and after that they will be irrelevant

If they didn't lend money to poor people you'd say "Look, at those dragons, they're hoarding their gold" Poor people dont get low interest loans, because they're less likely to pay them back and they own nothing that can be sold. The only way for poor people to get loans is for a higher interest rate, because then the lender can afford to to take a hit. It makes perfect sense. If you outlawed that practice they would get no money at all and you'd complain about that and then these poor people would have to run to the mafia or muslim gangs or whatever to get a loan and you know what happens if you can't pay back those loans? Bullet time.

Stupid people deserve to be fleeced, it's natural selection.

How would a few individuals accumulate all the wealth? Who would want to help them after that? Couldn't you just tell them to fuck off?

Well, some businesses fail. That is the free market for you. I thought we were talking about, for example niggers, who would spend the loan on crack and purple drank.

How do you decide what usury us? In highly inflationary conditions, interest rates naturally rise, so that will push the interest rates on riskier loans higher.
As I said, banning an arbitrary level of interest only hurts the people who need those interest rates to access any credit at all.

That porn thing in Palestine is actually the first chapter in his book.

The Eternal Boomer in a nutshell.

"Nationalize the banks? Stop predatory loaning? Force CEOs to give their employees raises based on how well the company is doing instead of paying them pennies while giving themselves billions? MUH FREE MARKETS!"

This board houses Fascists, National Socialists, and Traditionalists. We disagree on certain basic topics and some of the more esoteric points, but one thing we do all agree on is that one day, very soon in fact, kikes like you will be given a Tennessee Necktie.

Enjoy the free ride of making money off of the labor of others while it lasts. Because it ain't gonna last much longer.

Regulation on lenders helps the kikes, because:

-as the owners of large banks, they dictator the terms to the State
-it pushes smaller less predatory legal banks out of business because they can't comply with the literal mountains of regulation
-it pushes poor people to illegal loan sharks, who don't have the regulatory overhead

Regulating interest rates is worst for the people you want to protect and beneficial only to Jews.

You sound exactly like jews defending their position at the top of banking and the media. Swindling entire populations over the course of centuries because you're part of a deceitful and thieving race of rats is not natural selection. The only reason jews are able to do this is because they give less than two shits about the subhuman goyim.

This reminded me of the book
'CREATING NEW MONEY A monetary reform for the information age ' by Joseph Huber and James Robertson
People should definitely give it a read. It's not very long and i'm pretty sure you can get it at >>>/pdfs/

user, didn't you just go on about freedom of association and how they can send out as many loans as they want? If and when they do accumulate the wealth and send out loans as frequently as they want/with as high interest rates as they please, you, according to your own moral framework, have no right to restrict their freedoms. So you have to let them be and do as they please. Now, there's the issue: how can any competition ever get a headstart if they need a loan to get anywhere (to start to give out money to people as loans) when all the financiers decide that 'this is what we will all agree to do and nobody can stop us because we are both sides of the competition'.
I'm sure some businesses do fail, that isn't my point. My point was that you do get the principle back when you possess their assets. For poor people, I've already demonstrated how, regardless of interest rates, there will never be a motivating factor to lend out to them because they will just not pay. It's kind of like taking a homeless person to court over small claims damages: they can't pay you back in anything.

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I'll take a look, thanks user.
If anyone else is interested it's on /pdfs/.

As opposed to legal loan sharks? Well, at least you're getting the gist of the argument against debt slavery.
Even in the absence of regulations, there is nothing stopping the larger predatory banks from operating as they please because… there are no regulations. That's the argument: with their influence, they can dictate many things that they should not be in control of.

I thought we were through this phases but I guess this pic is becoming relevant again.

I already read Feder. (The abolition of Interest Slavery)
He makes good philosophical arguments against "interest slavery", but completely fails to address economic problems and doesn't provide a single useful policy proposal. You can't abolish usury unless it is world-wide, because any country that has a strong banking sector will inevitably outperform a country that doesn't and simply take it over either overtly or covertly. Lending money at interest provides a strong benefit to businesses and the economy and outlawing the practice will simply drive businesses into the hands of even shadier people in the black market. Anyway, thanks for the download links to the other two books/pamphlets.

No I wouldn't because the kikes wouldn't have that money to begin with. Usury makes kikes rich because that's literally what they've been doing for thousands of years.

The entire fucking point of the NatSoc system is that you can get as rich as you want - be a fucking trillionaire for fucks sake - but as soon as your bullshit is deemed to be a detriment to ensuring the promise of the 14 words, into the oven you go.

Look, you reddit-spacing lolbertard kike, everyone knows what usury is. If you're up against a fucking wall staring down the barrels of a RWDS, chances are your Usury was just that. Kike usury.

Take your fucking stupid lawyer argument somewhere else. Usurers need to be fucking purged. If you're curious as to what "defines" Usury (such a kike question to ask) then give an example and I'll tell you if it is or not.

Eliminate the practice of Usury, get rid of the Kikes and watch our civilization flourish again. None of this goddamn kike bullshit "well who are YOU to decide what it Usury?". I'll tell you who I am. I am a White Christian male that is sick of seeing Kikes destroy what my ancestors fought and died for countless generations to build. That's who.

It's these goddamn reddit faggots, TD cucks, and other fucking refugees from places like DS that got shoahed and are swarming this place like rats and trying to turn this place into the last shithole they came from.

Fucking lolbertards get the bullet too.

Their talking about Interest. Yea, there shouldn't be any Interest on Money. It basically makes the rich into mega-rich oligarchs like we have today!

youtube.com/watch?v=QAUYGqabOWE

We've talked about this on Holla Forums. Interest Rates strangle money in the financial markets, keeping it from truly circulating through the economy.

Well, you can be an autarky while not paying any mind to other nations that do practice usury. I think they are related, sure, but denouncing international financiers will, in no way, allow for the covert/overt takeover. If you believe that to be the case, can you explain how that can feasibly occur within an autarky with a blatant policy against international financiers and predatory lending? Doesn't make sense to me.

It's salt-left's favorite pastime. Their cultural marxism gets shut down every time and so they try to insert their economic marxism at every opportunity. They're also behind the incessant posts about universal income and every time someone objects to it they go "You must be a communist" They really are insane.

That's hilarious. The EU's migration problem is the Free Market. It's a Free Market of citizenship, goy.

What's happening to Europe right now is the perfect example of why Free Markets do not work. But of course, that flies completely over the heads of every lolberg, who only see what they want to see, and fail to comprehend that their all-in-one inclusive "ideology" is nothing more than a psychological treatise on the mentality of the Anglo-Saxon desire to deal fairly and be left mostly alone.

I want plebbitors to leave and stay leave, this isn't your board you civnat cucks.

I'd also take a look at Richard Werner, a German economist who's a professor at Southampton University. He's the guy who coined the term 'quantitative easing' back in the 90's. He's also redpilled on migrants. His ideas on money and banking are pretty good, and he's' the first guy to empirically prove that it's the commercial banks who are creating the money supply in western countries.

twitter.com/ProfessorWerner

He wrote the book 'Princes of the Yen' about his time working in Japan during the credit crisis. There's a documentary based on the book that i recommend everyone here watch.

youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY&t

Jews have always used the State to lord it over goyim.

By "tell them to fuck off" I mean refuse to trade with them. Pedophiles don't survive very well in polite society, and if you accumulated all the wealth without being philanthropic, you would be treated the same way.

The market sets the interest rate. Charge too much and you go out of business…unless you use regulatory capture to get the State to force people to transact with you

Imo all of these discussions start from the premise that jews aren't included as a factor, no system will ever work when they're still around.

See The German State
Now that's just a load of horseshit.
You really need to get your head out of this marxist mindset.

Touche, but the kikes only got into that position, because the church outlawed lending practices for christians.
If it wasn't for that, we'd have honest christian bankers and christian banks who would lend out real money instead of rotten kikes lending out worthless digits and toilet paper.

No he doesn't! The last third is made up of answers to objections about abolishing usury.
Which he does in the book.
GEEE I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED DURING WWII THEN!?!
No it doesn't, it shackles those businesses with never ending interest, look at the student loan shenanigans going on today. You also left out the fact that he proposed (and Hitler implemented) Lending money from the state, WITHOUT interest.

Your argument is dead, because we have real world examples of Abolishing Interest Lending

They are / were great nation states that were productive and safe with great standards of living.

No wonder they are always being attacked by (((them)))

Yea, I added the documentary to my list. Will watch it when ever I get time.

Well, if you refuse to trade, then you can never take out a loan to get anywhere/start a business. If they've got a stranglehold and decide, as a collective, to act in a way, then you have no choice but to interact with them.
Pedophiles do survive in a polite society by definition of the society: it's polite. It isn't polite… except when it isn't. I don't understand this analogy. You mean a society that hates kddie fuckers will kill pedos? Sure. What relation does this have to predatory lending domination and the consequences? The analogy doesn't make sense.
If you accumulate wealth, you have no business being philanthropic. There's no incentive. Who cares if people don't like you. You are wealthy because they buy your shit, not because they "like you".
Banks set the interest rate which is a reflection of market activity and sets up the stage for subsequent trade. If you charge too much and there isn't any other option because nobody can get money to compete with you, then you have no other choice.

Christ almighty. It's a fucking theory that has never panned out because you get kikes that group together and use nepotism to consolidate power. You don't need a "state" to enforce anything when every single banker, shyster, or other piece of shit is of one like-minded creature.

Have you learned NOTHING from the Google, JewTube, Kikebook, Banking system??? Literally nothing about them are 'state run' and these fucking Jews are using it to price-fix and crush dissent. They've successfully infiltrated and subverted the state into simultaneously letting them do whatever they want to "We, the People", while building their police surveillance state to the point that "We, the People" cannot kill these fucking kikes like we need to.

Fucking THIS.

You CANNOT have a system of 'individualism' where you have kikes involved. The kikes LOVE to tell people that individuals are all out competing against each other and that business is business, the cream rises to the top, etc. Because they know that the Jews will always run as a collective force and have used that mechanism to acquire power and influence time and time again until they are fucking kicked out of yet another host nation. The Jew is a goddamn parasite and no economic model of individualism or "demokrusy" will ever work if they are present.

Exactly. Let's extend the "just compete with the predatory lenders" argument to the Internet. I want to start a forum or webpage that doesn't ban "Nahztees" for talking ill of multiculturalism. So I go and set one up, only to be banned because I need to appease the Google overlords and play their ball in order to work on their forum. You can never get anything done because you can never logically move past their stranglehold.

Shame this thread got anchored, it started off bad but we rarely get threads on how to deal with the banking system and the economy

I think it's because OP set out weak-effort baits to get replies, repeating old talking points conflating things needlessly.

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ye the OP was pretty shit i agree, but it was starting to get interesting

It's just putting way too much effort on economics, which, at the moment, is secondary to the issue. Press the free market "get your fist out of my wallet and into my anus" crowd on degeneracy or societal decay towards feminism, homosexuality, multiculturalism, etc., and they will praise it as the glory of freedom. Which, I guess, is why they deliberately avoid those issues and opt to make bait threads on "well, let predatory financiers short currencies, that's the free market for you".

I think there are plenty of examples that outlawing usury does not work. The muslim world is probably the best example.
Shariah law and the koran prohibit usury and as a result nobody is able to get loans and every muslim has an uncle or a distant relative who is involved in money lending. It's absolutely comical that they outlawed usury, but they charge double digit interest rates and kill each other over loans for weddings and cars. And when someone can't pay, the knives come out. What a racket.

I am not defending the US banking sector, which is completely corrupt, i'm defending banking as an institution, which is (or ought to be) a business like any other. Businesses need to grow, banks allocate the resources to do that. In a for-profit banking system the businesses with the highest profits get the resources, in a state-run banking system the politically connected get the resources. The end result is always the same. The capitalists industries outperform the planned industries every single time.

That's what happens today, but traditionally the intererst rates would be paid by the profits, which is a win-win situation.
The problem is that many people including Feder, who should know better only think about it in terms of money, instead of the underlying assets. If your sheep has 2 lamms and you owe the bank 2 lamms, you can easily pay back the loan by waiting for the 2 lamms to have 2 lamms again. Growth creates wealth, not shackles. The interest can always be paid back with growth.

The (((mods))) have a strict "no discussion allowed" policy, even when it is about minutia and details.
Look at this thread. There are 25 Points in the Program and mods can't stand that people dare to debate a single point. Fucking savages.

This, a thousand times. I've seen people on our side unironically shill against things like Freedom of Speech, even though FoS is one of our greatest weapons against our own extermination. These people try to argue that speech should never be free and always be limited, because it allows degenerate things to happen, but always magically seem to overlook the fact that it is always the Jews who push the degeneracy and seed it everywhere, and that without the Jews, a culture of traditional values is more than sufficient to enforce a standard of anti-degeneracy without resorting to using Federal law to suppress expression.

These people who argue these things are not fully redpilled, because they try to hold white races to the same standards as niggers and Jews. In a white ethnostate, you no more need to limit speech to stop the spread of degeneracy than you need to frisk every child entering school to stop gang violence in the halls. Subjecting whites to rules that are only necessary because of the temperments of nonwhites is both unnessary and a mistake.

The entire point of outlawing Usury is that you're also outlawing everything that acts as Usury. It's the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law — which is the complete opposite of Talmudic Kike 'logic'. It's why police in the South, and elsewhere, would look the other way while lynch mobs killed raping apes and pedophiles. Because they knew that's what needed to be done. To maintain the natural order of our western civilization —– AKA the entire ideology behind fascism and National Socialism.

To uphold the promise of the 14 words. And Usury, in all it's forms regardless of whether or not some kike lawyer wants to mince words and not call something 'usury', is an impediment to the 14 words. And therefore must be crushed, along with those who seek to continue using that practice.

And for the record, Muslims have Usury. It's basically where you want to buy a home for $XXX. So you go to a bank and they buy it at $XXX, and agree to sell it to you for $YYY price — which is higher than the original price.

Wrong. You are talking about a system that would essentially rely on literally infinite growth to pay the money back. And this world is finite. Which makes your system impossible, by definition.

Growth for the sake of growth is the MO of Cancer. And any economic model that depends on "growth" for it's stability is ultimately dooming the civilization that uses it to the same fate.

The only way to prolong it is via the boom-bust cycle the kikes use to keep this shit show going on as long as possible while they bleed us for all we're worth. To suck every single last drop of wealth out of us while they use that wealth to build our own prisons. To enslave the goyim and achieve complete and utter control for their hook-nosed tribesman. They fuck and kill our women and children, enslave us via their debt paradigms, and siphon off even the future prosperity of our descendants via promotion of faggotry, miscegenation, and replacement demographics.

Adolph Hitler and the others knew this so that's why they wrote the 25 points in the OP program. It wasn't just some willy-nilly bullshit. But you stupid lolbertardian faggots simply refuse to understand how your bullshit paradise is just as Jewy as the communist Utopia because you simply cannot fucking grasp the fact that Jews are NOT white men, they do now behave like white men, and their mental differences are not like white men. You are attempting to turn a pit bull into an australian shephard simply by virtue of turning it loose in a field of sheep. And then expecting it to suddenly become a herding animal. It's fucking asinine

There's a degree to Usury. There's a point where it starts and where it ends and i don't think it's outrageous to define exactly where it starts and ends. Lending a pencil to someone is obviously not usury, charging $500 an hour for it, is almost certainly usury and unacceptable, so there's no question that some definitions of usury are accepted by almost everyone, while others aren't.
The "spirit of the law" helps us to create good laws, but it doesn't make it impossible to create bad laws and plenty of bad laws have been created with the best of intentions.

Here's where i am going to blow your mind: Growth is infinite, literally infinite. There is no end to human ingenuity and so there's no end to technological and economic improvement. Take a flute for example. It's just a piece of wood with a few holes here and there. In fact, there is less wood after the flute is finished than there was before, so there was actually value added by removing. This is why we can have infinite growth in the market place and why people prefer to get paid back with "less". Value is subjective.

Kinda sad really.

I really don't think you understand the way of the Jew. They depend on things to be defined so that they can begin to use the actual wording of the definition against the law itself. That's exactly the Talmudic thought process and practice they've used to destroy literally every other law and 'idea' that's been defined. See: 2nd Amendment; 4th Amendment; etc etc. They depend on things being in black and white so that they retroactively change the way the "stupid goyim" think about the spirit of the law. That "militia" means "National Guard" therefore only the only people protected from disarmament is the "national guard" and not the average citizen.

You define, and they will undermine it. Simply giving a nebulous concept codified into law defining the spirit of the intent behind it's passage is much harder to subvert than wording.

No it is not. Money, by definition, is an exchange for a resource. Derived from the need to store the value of one's labor. To exchange for someone else's labor. All for the basic necessities of life such as food, water, shelter, and the other shit umbrella'd under Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs. Simply printing more money when there's no increase in the quantity of resources that money can buy only results in more money — not more wealth, or "purchasing power". It's the entire concept behind inflation. More money supply and money velocity = more shekels to pay for a particular share of any resource. There are only so many barrels of oil. There are only so many ounces of gold. It literally cannot be created.

Your idea of a world of unlimited growth fueled by unlimited resources is a bullshit StarTrek fantasy. Until there literally is a "replicator" and fucking space travel giving rise to a post-scarcity world (at least in material sense) there is no such thing as infinite growth. You can argue that 'innovation" (fucking lolbertard scum buzzword alert) can EXTEND the duration of those resources, but it can never ever get around the fact that the Earth has a finite supply of everything. You can be more efficient. Use less of a resource, but even a fucking Prius eventually runs out of gas.

"Infinite Growth" in the marketplace is simply called debasing the currency. See: DotCom bubble injecting shitloads of cash cahsing Tulip Bulbs called "websites" that literally created nothing. Didn't innovate anything. And only resulted in the distortion of every single other asset price tangential to human living. Than the bottom fell out and all the debt that dipshits acquired because some fucking idiot lolbertard told them that "pay off the interest with the growth you make from investing in something that produces nothing" stayed with them. And they wound up with homes being foreclosed. Vehicles seized. Assets repossessed. And facing the reality of "waking up dispossessed of the very nation our forefathers conquered". All from goddamn Jew trickery on pieces of paper and stupid shabbos goy talking about lolbertard principles like a nigger talks about being a rapper.

I fucking swear to God you people and your bullshit smokescreens attempting to trick stupid people into believing nonsense. You can NEVER print more coal. You can't print more oil. You can't print more arable land. And that means that increasing money =/= increasing wealth. Which is the whole point. If you increase the money supply you better have increased the amount of resources now available. Such as the railroads. Or the invention of the airplane. Or fracking. That is REAL growth. As such REAL growth is limited to this nebulous and wholly unreliable concept called "innovation" to keep always one step ahead of the malignant growth rate necessary to stave off complete collapse of the debt based model —- which goes parabolic after a certain numerical threshold is reached.

Your world of infinite growth is a fantasy. And your Jew tricks to try and purport otherwise are just that — a fantasy. Keynesian fantasy and Jew tricks to dispossess "stupid subhuman Goyim".

No there is not "a degree" to usury. There are as many different ways to practice predatory economics as there are stars in the sky, including thousands I'm sure we haven't even concieved of yet. By insisting we define exactly what it is, you open the floodgates for the thousand ways that don't fit the defination exactly to be used with impunity.

Typical lolberg, so wrapped up in your rules and abstractions that you completely fail to see the practical reality that's staring you in the face. Your systems have failed. Accept it, take the redpill, and move on to something that is actually functional and viable for real life applications.

Embarrassingly blue pilled.
Those things all rely on State regulation to push out their competition. Copyright, patents, all that kikey shit

No they don't. Google/YT just demonetizes platforms. Delists videos of the "alternative media" or anything they hate. Facebook deletes pictures and links to certain domains. Google stops listing certain sites in their search results.

Nothing about that has anything to do with State regulation. It's a bunch of poo-in-the-loos in India deleting shit according to whatever their kike master tells them to do.

State regulation is a whole other ball of wax and yes, part of a big problem, but Google/YT/kikebook/and others often take unilateral action on their own to destroy those they deem ideologically incompatible. Whether through selective enforcement of the 'rules' or "terms of service"…….or just outright not giving a shit about their own 'standards' and just deleting shit. No state involvement needed.

How the fuck did you find 8/pol/.

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