HAPPY 20TH ANNIVERSARY VALVE

Yeah, a sale on the Valve Complete Pack(Which IIRC, doesn't actually include EVERY Valve game/DLC available on Steam)

Half of these were made by modders or indie devs that Valve bought up. Now there's nothing wrong with that but it's a bit strange to give them all the credit.

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Valve even managed to make most of those games worse. Left 4 Dead 2 is a casualized version of Left 4 Dead 1. CS:S is a easier version of cs 1.6 and cs:go is even more dumped down.

Even Dota 2 is totally dumped down even thought they balance it according to the pro scene instead of listening to casual noobs.

Rather telling about where they're going, wouldn't you say?

HL2 is still the pinnacle of single player fps games.

They're the same damn games.

All have the exact same gameplay as their predecessors.

No, that's Doom

Too much interrupting the pace. Weapons aren't nearly as bad as people on Holla Forums would have you believe, but that doesn't mean that the SMG. Shotgun, and RPG aren't the only GOOD weapons.

Also too many hitscan enemies. Pics related are the pinnacles of SPFPS.

Top tier paint skills right here.

L4D2 also added fucking terrible gauntlet events into L4D1 maps that were not designed with them in mid. Blood Harvest really got fucked by them.

Add Painkiller and Blood.

Never played LFD1, how'd they casualize it?

I would argue that Portal 2 is also based on a student game because the paint mechanics were ripped from Tag.

I never really looked into it, I'm curious. Explain?

It's not the same, in l4d2 you got melee weapons and those are kinda op.

You ever joined a promod server? Those are always 2vs2 tier 1 no melee.

Making it generally easier for humans by adding melee weapons. Well they also added the spitter who kinda ruins some old tactics. The spitter turned out to be good, but Valve had bad intentions. They added her to nerf certain camp tactics.

Good point.

Turtle Rock Studios, an indie dev, made L4D1. Valve bought them in early 2008 though they'd been working together for a while before then. Valve's skills lie in finding creative people and funding their creativity then rehashing what those people made. There's nothing hugely wrong with that approach and hell modders certainly make better games than developers but Valve themselves aren't particularly original.

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Oh and speaking of Turtle Rock they went back to being an indie dev and made Evolve, everyone's favourite source of shitty SFM porn. They also helped work on Condition Zero and CS:S.

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The other devs are usually better. Just check out cs:go for example.

First hpe was working on it. They worked together with the community and some pro gamers on it.

Later Valve fired them and started to work on the game themselves. They ditched that website hpe was using and started to listen to Reddit instead. Also they hardly changed gameplay anymore and instead started working on skins and ui changes and shit like that.

Also made scoring in versus purely about distance which encourages blind rushing rather than managing health. L4D2 versus is massively survivor sided if they have sufficient practice because they just memorise the likely infected spawns and use melee weapons/rushing. The fact that one infected will occasionally spawn as the comparatively useless jockey does not help.

Is that really what you call casualization?
The melee shit exists so it's not just guns and changes up the game a tiny bit
If you're bad at LFD then the melee weapons aren't going to help you
LFD is an easy enough game without them dude

I believe he was talking about versus rather than coop.

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There is more to it, as this user said versus mode is only blind rushing. and yes I was talking about versus.

Anyway, there are people out there who have 2-5k hours in Left 4 Dead 2, versus is where all the fun lies and that mode is as I said above a lot easier for humans.

I lately stick mostly to scavenge or ftl on rooftop no mercy because you get a lot of instant kill opportunities on those maps.

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Not fix TF2 competitive.

Another complaint I have is how the interface changed. L4D1 was cleaner and rather clearly designed for PC. You had a larger FoV, smaller weapons and could see your legs. L4D2 has the gun take up 3/4 of your screen and just generally feels a lot more consolised particularly at a large resolution. This sounds like bitching but load up L4D and compare it.

The new maps are inferior too both from a gameplay and setting perspective. Nighttime is much cooler and frankly the original game's levels felt much more like the classic zombie movies Turtle Rock looked to for inspiration (this goes for the characters too). You'll also note all of that other user's infected tricks are on L4D1 maps. They generally play a little better in versus in my experience though the balance can be a little crazy in some chapters.

Half-Life 1 and Portal 1 were the only good games Valve ever made.

They`ve actually put ricochet on that list, the fucking nerve on those fags

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well it is their best game

yes valve is indie

Do you understand the English language user? It seems like you don't.

valve is an independent company

Yeah, but it'll be delayed for five years.

Only game I even play regularly from them at this point is Ricochet and 9/10 times its with bots ;_;

That doesn't make them an indie developer though. For a start they're more often a publisher than a dev.

you're thinking of steam

Opposing force, blue shift and decay were all made by gearbox, the fuck are they doing taking fucking credit?

If they are going to take credit of third party mods, how dare they forget Gunman chronicles as well? If you're going to take credit for GOOD games, then do it right.

Ah my bad, I mostly stick co-op and just mindlessly play with music in the background

Valve is Steam, faggot. Keep hiding behind dictionary definitions.

There's no questioning that. One of the few things I will applaud Valve for is knowing who to pick up. They obviously know who to grab, and its lead to some interesting things, if nothing else. Though I do wonder why lately they've avoided pretty much any talk of game development and just started working on hardware instead.

doesn't matter who makes it, they own the rights to it but you're not wrong

Probably concern over win10 and the windows store push. SteamOS was an attempt to head that off.

Probably because they haven't found any fucboi indie dev team to place their greasy fingers on.

In CS:S vs 1.6 it mostly has to do with the hitboxes. The hitboxes are fuck huge in Source to the point where you can't not get headshot kill, in comparison getting a headshot in 1.6 it felt like a small accomplishment.

I think my favorite thing about Half-Life 2 were the full conversion mods that came out it like Zombie Master, Eternal Silence, Dystopia, Empires, Nightmare House, and Underhell. It seems like full conversion mods are a dying breed and It's a shame when most people think modding they think shit like reskins, ENBs, and slight gameplay tweaks and not much else. Though you could probably blame this to the rise of free to use game engines like Unity.
Also Second Encounter was better

wait so valve hasn't made any games since 2007?
And you fags still hope to see hl3?

How is Dota 2 dumbed down? It's DotA 1 with match making, wide screen support, updated graphics and useless cosmetics.

No, but the people working at Valve did. Not sure where the difference is. Also what is Valve if not the people working there?

RICOCHET 2

Are you fucking serious?

It has absolutely nothing on Build Engine games.

Pretty sure most of their game development efforts go into updating CS:GO and Dota 2 these days.

Which was probably a good idea since CS:GO was pretty much dead on arrival, had less players than CS:S or 1.6.

They couldn't even copy Warcraft 3 mechanics and got rid of them entirely, saying it was for "balance" reasons instead of incompetence.

They couldn't even get the DotA scoreboard done right. It's just a game where idiots entertain themselves with esports gossip while waiting for hat making chucklefucks to submit their works just so that they can buy crates to gamble.

Yeah, where is it?

The most fun I had with the game was the day it came out. A guy was bragging about his exclusive DLC baseball bat that we couldn't use. He dropped it in the safe room by mistake and I picked it up. He ended up rage quitting after he found out he'd wasted his money.

What mechanics are you talking about?
And by Manta Tinker do you mean the Tinker that would just endlessly spam illusions that deal no damage? If so then making the old illusions disappear is harder to implement than just leaving them there so incompetence is probably not the reason why they removed that (also that change is pretty old, wouldn't surprise me if this happened before Dota 2 even existed).

It's true that the Dota 2 scoreboard at the end of the game used to show less information than the one in DotA 1, but that didn't really impact the game and they just updated it.

The only decent ones in the series were the two episodes and those were both short as hell

Some more:

It just felt like it was rushed and they added anything they could think of to appeal to normalfags. In L4D1 when you died it was nearly always your fault even if you could lay some blame on a teammate. L4D2 is a crap shoot, you run like a mad man towards the end of the map and hope nothing random happens a long the way to ruin it. People don't work as a team unless it's pre-made vs. pre-made.

There is no excuse for the second game, it was an obvious money grab. L4D1 was played up to have all this new content (maps) coming out and had not been around for very long at the time when the second game was announced. People were still playing it regularly, the community was strong and still figuring out new tech. Then L4D2 comes out and splits the community, eventually all the good players come back to the first game but it slowly dies because it's no longer supported. There aren't even official servers online for it anymore.

nigger what
Melee weapons are no where near OP, have you played shit tier normal difficulty servers?

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Once more, shitter normal difficulty games.
Try playing on higher difficulties, you won't use anything but combat rifle, snipers, magnum and assault rifles unless you feel like dying early. Melee is useless, your point is to keep the zombies AWAY, not fight them up close.

Kill yourself. Every mode in co-op is easy. I can hide in closets all day with pistols too but that doesn't mean it takes skill or is fun to do.

So much for Holla Forums being unbias. We just need to make a list of games and companies Holla Forums is allowed to discuss and which one becomes a shitposter's paradise.

But I do know better then you. I play at a higher level constantly, you play on shitter difficulties which are easy as fuck.
Have you even ever watched pro-L4D2?

Yeah dude, totally.

this
on top of that l4d2 is a shitload easier to speedrun through except for maybe that last map on hard rain. That had a decent pace to it and forced people to slow down a sec near the end for the elevator.

yeah but why would you when you can spin in a circle and take out a whole horde? Melee kills codependency from your teamates.
20 damage per hit doesnt make melee useless it just means you have to be more careful. Anyone with a decent headset knows when a zombie is coming and has more then enough time to be prepared for it. If i get swarmed on expert or any difficulty the best option is to start swinging and spinning. I would have gone down either way but the difference is ill have 2 or 3 zombies kicking me on the ground opposed to 30.
magnum best sidearm

I don't know if you know, but in L4D2 the first weapons you get at the start of a game are SMGs and shotguns, not high tier rifles and combat pistols.

The best way to kill zombies is to just knock them back and shoot a shotgun. Shotgun and knock is the best for quickly getting rid of them.

You sound like you hang out on discord all day with faggots.

You cited campaign to prove your skill level, your opinion is automatically invalid. All that tech you learned by watching pro-mod matches on youtube is the same shit we were doing in 2009. The meta hasn't changed much aside from the few infected they added.

Congrats, you know how the spawning system works and have functioning ears. It doesn't mean you're any good. Any one can go through expert with any weapon once they know about that. Hell I've done it with a medkit and m2.

I'm glad you enjoy watching us play.

Perhaps because this game hasn't had any gameplay updates since launch?

fuggen valve

I wish.

CS:GO is harder than CS:S by a long shot except for pistols. Sucks that it lacks all the fun custom servers.

the seems pretty ineffective past more then a couple at a time because of the shove cooldown
im talkin "oh shit whole horde went way further from my team mates then i should have and now im boomered" situations

BITCHES DON'T KNOW BOW MY
2016

I really wish I knew someone who worked at Valve so I could find out what the fuck is going on there. I mean, it's gotta be a dream job to be able to fuck around all day and still get paid, but honestly, does anyone even do ANYTHING there anymore?

Go replay it, I dare you.

It's good, but not as good as people hyped it up back then. Nowhere near the best singleplayer FPS nor PC game ever made.
Half-Life 1 was better.

It's just so boring. Episode 2 is the only part I can bring myself to replay these days. Half-Life 2 feels gutted but people still defend it by saying "muh Ravenholm" when that too is just a remaining portion of a much larger stage.

HL1 is just an inferior Quake, and HL2 just felt like a linear Deus Ex without any RPG elements to it. Either make a story driven game or make an FPS. You can't have both.

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Valve has been adding important gameplay changes every quarter of the year. You may not like the game but don't try to shape information to fit your bullshit narrative.

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That's because there's a section in the game where your path is blocked by saw blades, and the moment you pick one up a monster walks around the corner, causing you to instinctively fire and cut the monster in half. HL2 tells you exactly what needs to be done, there's nothing to "figure out".

Not just that.

Honestly, Valve never did anything good with Steam(ing) pile of shit. I can't be the only one old enough here to remember that it was forced on us.

Half the games in that pic valve didn't even develop, they either hired someone else to develop them or they bought out the company that was developing them while they were nearing the end of production.

God I hate valve.

Hold the fuck up, Valve didn't make Team Fortress, Counter-Strike, Opposing Force or Blue Shift.

20 years of mods. :^)

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Thanks doc

fuck you

This really spices up the front page.

What the fuck is going on with p ?

Not sure, but you should probably filter it.

pee pee?

What a lot of you fags dont understand is that having a melee weapon means you dont have a pistol, which can be a big fucking deal on harder difficulties.

uh oh the steam forms are raiding us

sounds about right

are you retarded?
if valve and steam are the same thing that would make them self published and therefore independant.

Just because they're technically indie doesn't mean they're really indie.

Looking over the 20 years graphic puts things into perspective for me. If I could change our timeline, I would gladly forgo everything in those 20 years if it meant steam was never created. If it meant so many other great games without the bs that came along and was introduced on the steam platform, at this point gaming would be in so much a better place.

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WHERES THE FUCKING SCREENCAP?

technically they where made by the same people from DP after they graduated so I wouldn't say they ripped it off.

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i've seen this bait before, dont even bother

Looks like fucking nothing happened. was right.

I mean, the PS3 at least had ricky bobby

Underrated Post.

Dota 2 is running on Source 2, they ported it over.

AS was is such a great game, and it pains me to see nobody appreciates it.
It's fucktons of fun, while I know only 4 other people (2 who were always a part of my team, 2 who were a part of my team for a while) who played it. Everybody is always all about dem dotes and dem kuntrstroiks, but they neglect AS.

I like Alien Swarm user.

AS is very nice user

So it's nothing but a mediocre technical patch.

Although since they have been patching almost all their games that run on source over time with engine updates, I guess it makes sense.

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