Zizek analyses the outcome of the US Elections

Blake Roberts
Blake Roberts

youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao
Pretty cool that he holds no resentment towards Chomsky.

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Wyatt Rivera
Wyatt Rivera

Damn he is getting old

Mason Price
Mason Price

Rick Santorum and Ted Cruz are aliens
Seems plausible tbh

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

le trump won because liberals/leftists failed meme

No, he won because they won they too much.

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

People in the Rust Belt, which had mostly been solid Democrat, must have found something unsatisfactory about Obama's presidency to change their minds. Are you suggesting it's actually not about the economy, but about backlash against social liberalism?

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

isnt he self aware about that nose shit

if he does so much public speaking cant he learn to stop it

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

GOP suppressed voters in a lot of key states as well.

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

It is a nervous tic leave him be m8.

Bentley Richardson
Bentley Richardson

The democrats now openly embrace anti-whit.e conspiracy theories, expecting normal white people to vote for this is like expecting jews to vote for people who embrace ideas like jewish supremacy and/or jewish muh privilege.

Now ofcourse, many white people did vote democrat, either because they believe in such themselves or because of base line sectarianism, so it isn't a full explanation of the whole election, but i think it is enough to explain the trump win.

Nathan Ward
Nathan Ward

Trump didn't get any more votes than previous Republican nominees
Hillary just got less, because she was shit and nobody gave a shit about going to vote for her

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

White people do have privelige, it's not a conspiracy like your retarded Jewish thing
Inb4 I get dog-piled for idpol, I don't think privelige is nearly as big a factor a things as liberals think

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

If you want to call being beaten with a belt instead of a riding crop, then yeah you could say being white is a muh privilege.

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

he did in the primaries

White people do have privelige, it's not a conspiracy like your retarded Jewish thing

do jews have jewish muh privilege?

it's not that i'm denying that white people are held in higher regard, it's about the implications of such terms and how they are presented

John Jones
John Jones

you're fucking retarded

Kayden Lee
Kayden Lee

Nothing new, happens every election. The same is true of race baiting and culture wars. Democrap strategists are too stupid to ask themselves why, when the Rust Belt and Florida elect the President every year, they managed to lose the Rust Belt, which had previously voted for Obama. Could it be that a message of better-paying jobs is appealing to people in a region who face dim economic prospects, and that they didn't want to vote for Killary?
No, they must just be racist, sexist bigots, despite that many Trump voters in the region still like Obama. Hillary didn't even campaign in Wisconsin.

The stupidity of Democrap strategists is mind-boggling. You will never win a single state in the greater South, they are all reactionary and will never vote for a nominally socially liberal or anti-racist candidate. The Mountain West is too rural to not go Republican. You have the coasts and greater Northeast locked down. All you have to do is win Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. The Democraps managed to lose all four, thanks to running Killary. The Democratic party is currently the party of the North, you need to win the fucking North.

Jace Robinson
Jace Robinson

Nothing new, happens every election.
This is true, but I think if Clinton would've won had it been absent. That being said, it's plainly obvious why they lost the white vote.

Ryan Roberts
Ryan Roberts

nope. Trump literally got less votes than Mitt. It was solely because liberalism collapsed.

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

liberalism collapsed

there's more of it than ever before

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

Then why is the country controlled by neofascist?

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

neofascist
stop

Colton Rogers
Colton Rogers

because they ended the common sense consensus that politics should be resigned to serious, intelligent, decent white men

this is what is winning university debates now, thanks to liberals

youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

Bentley Perez
Bentley Perez

wtf is this shit
how is this univeristy material?

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

the reasoning behind it is that they are talking from a black perspective and not subordinating themselves to debate standards set by white people

Aiden White
Aiden White

lelelele Trump is not appropriating fascist rhetoric and policies
Mike Pence and Trump have authoritarian tendencies and they use rhetoric that romanticizes a past age of "glory", just like fascist. Their economics might be a little different, and they might be a bit more reactionary which is why I called them neofascist. Authoritarian reactionary works just as well though.

I'm gonna make the inference that you're a confused lolbert supporting Trump since you posted a Peter Schiff video. I don't give a shit about some liberal idpolers whining on a college debate team, the people in charge are not liberals. This election marks the end of American Liberalism, it's the post-liberal era and it's time for a new left.

Nathaniel Ward
Nathaniel Ward

Yeah, that's essentially what "privilege" means in liberal parlance.

It's like saying that house slaves are treated better and have more comfortable lives than field slaves. This is perfectly true. The problem is that it posits the problem as being inequality among slaves rather than slavery being an evil system, and thus implies that the solution is equality among all slave castes, rather than abolition of slavery.

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

Mike Pence and Trump have authoritarian tendencies and they use rhetoric that romanticizes a past age of "glory", just like fascist.
They also breath air, just like fascist.

Their economics might be a little different
So since socdems have a "little bit different" economics to marxists, they're basically marxists too right?

I'm gonna make the inference that you're a confused lolbert supporting Trump since you posted a Peter Schiff video.
What are you talking about? I haven't posted anything like it, you're talking to multiple people.

Jaxon Collins
Jaxon Collins

They also breath air, just like fascist.
Not an argument.

So since socdems have a "little bit different" economics to marxists, they're basically marxists too right?
Not an argument, not even coherent.

What are you talking about? I haven't posted anything like it, you're talking to multiple people.
Srys.

slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/02/is_donald_trump_a_fascist_an_expert_on_fascism_weighs_in.html

Austin Lopez
Austin Lopez

slate.com
are you fucking retarded

Julian Anderson
Julian Anderson

I don't like the website so it's wrong
Write me back when you get a PHD in History from Harvard and write as comprehensive a book on fascism as Paxton's, "The Anatomy of Fascism".

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

appeal to authority
For someone who seems to love the "not an argument" meme, you sure do make a lot of not arguments

Jeremiah Barnes
Jeremiah Barnes

You haven't presented any argument against them being fascist-lite, you've just been memeing. Also
fallacy fallacy
Fuck you, I hope you die.

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

Shouldn't throw stones in that glass shithole of yours. Come up with your own argument why he is a protofascist, since you're making the claim.

authoritarian spooked rhetoric
Applies to far more demagogues than just fascists. Stalinists especially come to mind.

economics don't matter
I shouldn't have to explain why this is wrong.

Owen Richardson
Owen Richardson

I'm glad he at least respects Chomsky's work as far as "manufacturing consent" is concerned.
That's cool

Sebastian Morris
Sebastian Morris

Applies to far more demagogues than just fascists. Stalinists especially come to mind.
You're right being authoritarian doesn't make you a fascist (I never said that). I'll point out all the similarities

spooked "golden age rhetoric"
anti-immigration policies
anti-socialist and communist policies/rhetoric
nationalism
authoritarian
populism

The only thing disqualifying them from being fascist is the fascist contention that individual interest ruin the nation, and the outright condemnation of any sort of Democracy.

I shouldn't have to explain why this is wrong.
Which is why I said they diverged from doctrinal fascism. Pinochet is largely identified as being a neofascist but he used the same supply side economics that Trump is advocating for. If it makes you feel better to call them authoritarian reactionaries then okay, let's do that. My whole point is that liberalism is fucking dead.

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

Junk article, junk source.

I'm sure his thesis involved clickbait meandering about kinda-sortas. Trump's tale of national decline inheres strictly to local circumstances. How on earth does it evoke any lofty sense of ethnic or national mythology and essentialism?

Why does appealing to a despairing or alienated working class have anything to do with fascism in particular? How many literally notfascist movements fall into that category?

The whole article is fucking retarded. Trump is a scatterbrained mean guy with a bit of rhetorical gusto. See?! He's a fascist. I doubt he's even 'authoritarian' whatever the fuck that means to liberal democrats. Besides immigration policy, he's never doubled down on any of the dumb shit he had impulsively blurted out at his rallies.

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

Junk article, junk source.
His book is great.

I'm sure his thesis involved clickbait meandering about kinda-sortas. Trump's tale of national decline inheres strictly to local circumstances. How on earth does it evoke any lofty sense of ethnic or national mythology and essentialism?
I'm sure
Was reading the article to hard? Why are you not sure of what his thesis entails.

Why does appealing to a despairing or alienated working class have anything to do with fascism in particular? How many literally notfascist movements fall into that category?
It's an aspect of fascism, turning the working class against the left.

The whole article is fucking retarded. Trump is a scatterbrained mean guy with a bit of rhetorical gusto. See?! He's a fascist. I doubt he's even 'authoritarian' whatever the fuck that means to liberal democrats. Besides immigration policy, he's never doubled down on any of the dumb shit he had impulsively blurted out at his rallies.

He's double downed on the "stop and frisk" policies many times over and including in the debates. Paxton didn't even say he was a fascist, he said there were characteristics he shared with fascist.

Samuel Jones
Samuel Jones

Paxton didn't even say he was a fascist, he said there were characteristics he shared with fascist.
So you're backing up your argument that Trump is a fascist-lite by citing a guy who doesn't even think he's a fascist, just that he "shares some characteristics" with fascists.

How intellectually dishonest can you get?

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

he said there were characteristics he shared with fascist

and to tie him to fascism, to draw an association on that higher conceptual scale, is super fucking misleading and not useful. Trump is not a fascist, nor is he a quasi-fascist any more than any previous presidents with local authoritarian tendencies. Fascism is not just "authoritarian and not a gommunist", it has peculiarities that shouldn't be ignored.

Why are you not sure of what his thesis entails

Yes, it was implied that much of his academic work concerns fascism. So what?

He's double downed on the "stop and frisk" policies many times over and including in the debates

Ok, you have a local example. I'm sure he'll establish internment camps and abolish the constitution next. Stop and frisk is several magnitudes of shouting distance from a policy proposal characteristic at all of betraying any real fascist leanings. It isn't even out of the normal

It's an aspect of fascism, turning the working class against the left.

He turned the working class against Hillary Clinton, not the left.

Paxton didn't even say he was a fascist, he said there were characteristics he shared with fascist

Yes, and Paxton was wrong to participate in arranging those 'characteristics', applying that data to an improper meaning, so he could virtue signal for social gain

Alexander White
Alexander White

So you're backing up your argument that Trump is a fascist-lite by citing a guy who doesn't even think he's a fascist, just that he "shares some characteristics" with fascists.

This is what he said
Yes, well, I’m a little leery of using the term "fascism" too loosely. I think Trump adopts fascist themes. He revels in fascist techniques. He’s good at manipulating a crowd. There are, at the same time, profound differences. The original fascisms wanted to solve the problems of Germany and Italy by creating a strong state, and they wanted to—they wanted to subordinate the conflicting interests of individuals to the overarching interest of the community, which is the opposite of what’s going on now in America. There’s the—there’s individualism to the extreme, and people are unwilling to accept any kind of community discipline—environmental legislation, action on global warming, protection of workers—all of this, for people who vote for Trump or, indeed, largely, any of the Republican candidates want to throw out all of these community obligations. That’s the opposite of fascism.

So, he agrees with me they're fascist lite. The individualism present in them was present in neofascist regime like Pinochet. They're protofascist, they'll give rise to real fascism.

Ok, you have a local example. I'm sure he'll establish internment camps and abolish the constitution next. Stop and frisk is several magnitudes of shouting distance from a policy proposal characteristic at all of betraying any real fascist leanings. It isn't even out of the normal

He still shares alarming similarities with actual fascist.

He turned the working class against Hillary Clinton, not the left.
The Democraps are the left in American politics.

Yes, and Paxton was wrong to participate in arranging those 'characteristics', applying that data to an improper meaning, so he could virtue signal for social gain
We'll see if the GOP starts appropriating fascist rhetoric, the party was just reborn.

Ian Anderson
Ian Anderson

"That's the opposite of fascism"
so he agrees with me then

Justin Powell
Justin Powell

neofascist regime like Pinochet
what the fuck am I reading

Matthew Thomas
Matthew Thomas

He revels in fascist techniques. He’s good at manipulating a crowd.
What do you think protofascist means?

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

neofascist regime like Pinochet

Grayson Baker
Grayson Baker

LEL

Landon Torres
Landon Torres

This is such a terrible meme.

Owen Roberts
Owen Roberts

Read some fucking Deleuze the lot of you.

Isaiah Lee
Isaiah Lee

Then why is the country controlled by neofascist?
Because Americans elected a neofascist, twice… Let's hope all that neofascism ends once Trump assumes power.

Blake Thompson
Blake Thompson

I don't think Chomsky dislikes Zizek as much as Zizek thinks. I bet if the two of them sat down and had a mediated conversation they'd find more to agree on than disagree on.

Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

ableist REEEEEEEEEE

Jonathan Reyes
Jonathan Reyes

this is true

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

new video
youtube.com/watch?v=YlIBCmvy7CI&t=0s

John Harris
John Harris

Is this legit?

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

Holy shit. I didnt believe at first. But it is. Color me surprised.

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

source?

Zachary Allen
Zachary Allen

The DNC is bad at governing and say stupid shit like "White people don't know what it's like to be poor". They're a disgusting half-baked mutant of neoliberalism, DemSoc and Trotskyism.

It's entirely the DNC's fault they lost the rust belt.

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

OP's video

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

maybe we could try to have a podcast with Alex Jones

William Green
William Green

shiiiieeet

Luis Cook
Luis Cook

Proto-fascism refers to the direct predecessor ideologies that influenced and formed the basis of fascism.[1][2]

1. Barbara Spackman. Fascist virilities: rhetoric, ideology, and social fantasy in Italy. Pp. 78.

2. Peter Davies, Derek Lynch. The Routledge companion to fascism and the far right. London, England, UK; New York, New York, USA: Routledge. Pp. 94.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

Was Marx proto fascist?

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

could this be the beggining of a new alliance…?

Thomas Price
Thomas Price

You will never talk marxism and movies face to face with zizek

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

Fascism is a critique of Marx. Georges Sorel popularized the idea of political religion which inspired fascism was a monarchist who believed he could fill the gaps in Marxism by introducing "myths" to sway crowds into preforming acts that would disturb the capitalist system. Proto-fascists wanted to use this idea to build a strong state and imperialism.

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

ITS FUCKIN REAL
permalink: youtube.com/watch?v=5bixgOtkLao&lc=z12wdjpjnvvnunbor04cirhhrkiwd1ioppw0k

Jackson Williams
Jackson Williams

fascism is a bastardization of sorel

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

what the fuck is going on with his eyes in this video

Jayden White
Jayden White

yes it is fucking true

there is an alt-rightist cpmmenting already

Kevin Ward
Kevin Ward

It might be, but proto-fascism came after Marx, there's no way Marx could have been a proto-fascist.

Noah Young
Noah Young

I actually think zizek is getting more well known with normies, soon he will be household name in america, just wait

Joshua Ortiz
Joshua Ortiz

hope.gif

Jacob White
Jacob White

Fascism is a critique of Marx.

So Marx had a part in influencing and forming fascism?

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

fascism is basically the marxism of right wing sentiments that have always been around it, ordering them into an ideology

so yeah

Wyatt Cooper
Wyatt Cooper

Marxism is materialistic, fascism is idealistic.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

all philosophy is idealistic :^)

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

im using idealism in the "mysticism" sense.

Ian Walker
Ian Walker

That's okay there's no way he would want to with you. Or with any real actual human being, really

critical-theory.com/professor-of-the-year-if-you-dont-give-me-any-of-your-shitty-papers-you-get-an-a/

Dominic Gutierrez
Dominic Gutierrez

Why is he a professor anyway?

Jaxon Hughes
Jaxon Hughes

liberals probably pay big bucks to have classes with him

John Ross
John Ross

he's a sociologist
you know, people who study the behavior of people in society using experiments and data rather than stereotypes and dated racialist pseudoscience

Evan Cooper
Evan Cooper

White people have muh privilege and jews dont
My dad cut trees under the table for a living, how many Jewish dads do that huh?
Fucktard
Its all rich dad poor dad. Stop distracting from the Class War, you Useful Idiot

Benjamin Clark
Benjamin Clark

slate.com
being this retarded

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

periscope.tv/RT_com/1ynJOkYBeEnJR?t=1#

Zizek gives his take on the U.S. election

Rather short but still interesting to hear what he has to say. For some reason to video just cuts off at some point.

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

Ah here's the full interview youtube.com/watch?v=3JZmwQAZmak

Henry Martinez
Henry Martinez

Rebel why the fuck do you still shitpost with your trip

I literally took my trip off the day after I started using it faggot

Thomas Rodriguez
Thomas Rodriguez

The "manufacturing consent" media machine, i.e. the mainstream media hasn't collapsed due to Trump's presidency, but rather due to most people getting their news and political opinion from social media, facebook, breitbart news etc.

Hudson Gomez
Hudson Gomez

kek he looks like they just put a homeless man in front of a camera

Landon Sanchez
Landon Sanchez

I dunno about that, plenty of liberals got their info from the mainstream media. And don't think buzzfeed isn't mainstream

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

lyl

Adrian Flores
Adrian Flores

The sad thing is he's right.

Someone please explain to Zizek that his words fall into a vacuum because all practitioners of "political correctness" have long been operating on the very rules he described - the enemies are viciously attacked, while vulnerable minorities are protected - a so-called "punching up" doctrine. That the rules of who's vulnerable and who's the enemy are, naturally, decided by the powerful, all "political correctness" is establishment by definition, usually in a way much more covert than the blatant examples of misdirection he gives. That the boor Trump did not gather support because the "politically correct" failed to oppose him, he gathered support because rude unconstrained taboo-less speech is the last resort of the commoners to level the playing field against the establishment.

It's a travesty that he doesn't understand it already, but I'm sure he will once someone spells it out to him.

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

The only thing disqualifying them from being fascist
I read a book called "the anatomy of fascism" recently. Implying this book is correct, I am missing the use of violence to gain control.
Not sure what the correct word for it is in English, but both Mussolini and Hitler had brigades.

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