We Wuz Egyptianz?

Read March of the Titans OP. It tells of how our entire history has been buried under lies and invasion. What we're facing today is nothing new.

I think I have it.
I wasn't planning on reading it next but it seems like maybe I should.

You're disputing the work of a credentialed geologist, so post your conclusive scientific research paper disproving the rain erosion theory or kill yourself. I guess you can then move on to arguing against the Leo processional alignment.

An amusing anecdote
Even the meekest nerds can't avoid the truth.

So is basic fucking Geology /x/ now?

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Yes we wuz kangz

We wuz more than Egyptians as well.

I feel we are about to discover the lineage of our true ancestors.

If there's one constant throughout history it is that importing in non whites and then race mixing with them is self destructive.
If you want to preserve Western Civilization than you must preserve those whom created it. To you newfaggots lurking that is the only justification for racial purity that you need. White people make the world a better place.

Absolutely. I feel our duty is to rule the world and keep the lesser races in check.

No wonder Egypt went bad.
Fair skinned people get skin cancer in sun intensive regions and die out over longer periods of thousands of years.

But one thing that I admire is that Egypt lasted for thousands of years. Every empire outside of that last for what? 250 years?
What was different?

maybe the pyramis lasted that long, just like the pyramids in south america, but we all know the dinasty ended many times, the civilization was destroyed and rebuilt more than once.
So your admiration of egypt is void.

A-are you saying Aryans are responsible for all great civilizations on this entire planet?

Check out the association between red hair in pharaohs and the Egyptian gods.

Am I the only one that gives zero shits about Egyptian ancient ruins? Am I the only one that thinks that the proof that whites built the pyramids lies in.. international space station, kalashnikovs, satellites, institutions that provide nuclear energy and cures for diseases, high development, high production, high wealth, prosperity, literacy and intelligence???
Who the fuck cares if niggers think 'dey wuz kaaangz' when they will still have their low development, low productivity, and low everything else??? If they could have high development 5 thousand years ago, they can have it today, according to their theory, and yet they dont have it today, so who the fuck cares???

I think that showing people the correlation between development and demographics is much more important, spreading the message of white superiority and stopping the immigration and race denial should be the focus.

We actually were Kings and shit.

are you saying Aryans are not

Checked and seconded.

The dishonesty annoys me. The fact that science knows they weren't black, but it's basically taboo for them to say that outloud. I don't really care what colour the ancient Egyptians were. It doesn't impact my life. But the fact that there are any established facts that we aren't allowed to talk about because of PC culture is bullshit.

I think that people are simply afraid they will get isolated and ruined in the society. But if they see that they are not alone, that rural people would support them, that working people are also on their side, that white students too think this way, that this is not a fringe belief, they will not be afraid to come out.

Academics are simply afraid for their grants. Politicians and celebrities are simply afraid for their popularity polls.
Our message is fundamentally true. Meaning that the rural and working people, who are independent from other shit, will accept it. Once this base that provides popularity and grants has accepted it, these other people will accept it too.
That's what I think at least.

Not even to mention that mexicans are settling southern USA and that mexico is becoming a top 10 world economy, arab scum is settling europe, anti-white civil war and secessionist movements could start….

The ancient Egyptians themselves didn't know who built them. We can be pretty sure who didn't build them though, which leaves us with whites or something even more powerful as the only viable builders.

Egypt was not white in recorded history. At best you had a whitish upper class. The Aryans of the Orea Linda Book called them "a mix of Lyda, Finda and Freya's people". This was written in 4000BC.

Fun fact: It was actually a blue eyed Egyptian who helped the shitskins in Athens throw out the Aryans (just the pure ones, the race mixers stayed) and establish Greek civilization.

King Tuts DNA is that of a Briton, i.e. not Greek.

They had a white upper class, not a Greek one.

The whites in Egypt were probably from around Northern Europe, yes.

Southern Europes didn't look much different than Northern Europes back then. It was only after the hundrends of Arab conquests that many parts of southern Europe became muddled with mud genes some centuries ago.

The mud genes coming in is correct, but Romans didn't exactly look like N. Euros. Gauls and Germans were much stronger and taller than the Roman armies. Tacitus used the Germans as an example to show how far the Romans had fallen, both morally and racially. Mixing in that area has been going on for a long time.

What he's saying is that once a long time ago there was a global white civilization that was the spark for most ancient cultures. Just like our colonial days they brought knowledge of agriculture, architecture, and law with them. Some people did more with it (Chinese) some people did nothing with it ( niggers), and some went half and half (Mayans).

checked em for trips o truth

King Tut was an Anglo as was Jesus Christ.

I'll leave these here

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I'll check your trips, but the second two pictures are trash. Pyramids are the most efficient way to make a building out of solid stone, and triangular doors are the easiest kind of door to make while stacking a pyramid, especially if you haven't yet developed the masonry knowledge and to create keystones and arches. And the sunwheel is a symbol older than civilization: it's been seen on cave walls in prehistoric paintings. Hitler stole it from the pattern on the ceremonial robes of a Catholic priest's vestments.

Pyramids are the best way to stack rocks to make monuments and tall buildings. The ray disk/sunwheel is a basic and simple pattern that occurs in nature and is how people trended towards making a symbol to represent the sun.

The original Chinese were European, though. That's true. The Tarim mummies have shown that the ancient Chinese stories of tall blonde and red haired men with green and blue eyes were actually accurate. That subspecies of Europoid was genocided out of existence during the thousands of upheavals and wars that have ravaged China in the last two thousand years, and if the Chinese historical texts are accurate, a few lines of them clung to existence at least until the Han Dynasty. The chinks who live there now are Far Eastern Mongolian Orientals, not the original Chinese, much like how the Wajin, i.e. the Japanese as we know them, are not the original ethnic inhabitants of the island of Japan: the Ainu are. But unlike the Mongoloid Chinese, who ultimately murdered and raped the Tarim people out of existence, the Japanese were more civil, and the Ainu still exist to this day as an untainted line, though there are only a few thousand of them left.

Putting Tarim Chinese archeological discoveries next to I Want To Believe Ancient Aliens shit about pyramids is a travesty. You're completely ruining the credibility of the claim that Europeans were the original Chinese by putting it in a chair next to a clown wearing assless chaps.

that shit is fake and you know it plebbit poster

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why? are you fucking retarded? you have access to all the books in the fucking world and you pick that one? i mean if you want to be all nazi party then go spengler or schmitt. if you want to be super-autistic, then evola. you could edify yourself by first reading the plato-kant canon and then exploring hegel, schopenhauer, nietzsche… there are a million things you could do.

and you pick GLR's "White Power"

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Meh, one should read broad and deep, and Rockwell is perhaps the most significant white racialist on US soil since WW2.

Spengler has nothing to do with NS, and Schmitt's book a very "meta". Sold recomendation, though.
I like him. I really don't know if all of his is TRUE™, but damn its an impressive grand scale narrative and erudite source work.

Modern egyptians have white genes you know.

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Alright, I'm gonna order his book.

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All of North Africa and the levant used to be white before the Arab conquests.

then why aren't we living in them right now?

Because they don't look very good (but then again, neither do modern apartment towers) and take up too much space.
Ancient celtic round stone houses are also easy to make, why aren't we living in them right now?

>be watching Young Indiana Jones Chronicles recently

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Please go be a nigger someplace else. We're full here and you're upsetting the autists.

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The Egyptians recognized the cyclic patterns of nature and always strived for harmony and balance in order to survive the ups and downs of reality

Because they have the largest fucking footprint of any kind of structure you could possibly build, smartass. The entire discipline of architecture is the art and science of creating more space while taking up less room, and looking good while you do it. Pyramids are the least space efficient type of structure possible, and are ugly as hell. Pyramids are what you build when you have no "architecture."

Appeal to authority the post.

The stuff you're using to try and argue that all pyramids from some kind of band around an imaginary pole you assume existed at some point probably is, but by all means /x/, don't let uncle Holla Forums stop you from ruining a thread about white genocide with your 2002 late night Discovery Channel shit.

Reminder that whites were the first people to land in the Americas.
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
rt.com/news/stone-age-america-archaeologists-445/
Reminder that we discovered trigonometry a thousand years before it was originally claimed.
telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/24/3700-year-old-babylonian-tablet-rewrites-history-maths-could/
Reminder that the by the claimed starting date of human civilization (~6000 BC, the “birth” of agriculture”) there had already been a global civilization and cities of thousands of people another 6000 years prior.

I have been constantly getting dubs, trips and quads on almost everything I post this last week. I am going to win the lotto or something?

all great ancient civilizations were Aryan.

Is that last part about Egyptians sharing ancestry with Saharans true?
Although they don't look white, I've never thought that Egyptians look black either.
Sudanese on the other hand…

The normie flag flies in full colors with this one. Don't wanna stray too far from Professor Eric Klein-approved academic viewpoints. I think >>>/r/the_donald is more your forte? A correctthink-approved comment like yours will warrant numerous upvotes.

Kek. I see you know jack-shit about astronomy. Fuck off, pleb.

Interesting, although the girl in the second pic could easily be of post-columbian ancestry.

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Good post. Indeed, fascinating stuff.

PONY BUMPARONI

Does this mean that the Egyptian slave Jews where black? Seeing as they appear to have a colour based caste system from other pictures Ive seen.

Wow this biblical mystery really has people stumped.

No they were Jews. Read the bible of why the Egyptians enslaved the Jews in the first place.
Our feud with the Jews is deep very deep. You must remember the Jews still subscribe to the Old Covenant laws of an Eye for an Eye.

We enslaved their whole race so they will do the same.
We destroyed their holy temple and symbol of culture so they will do the same.
However these things were not without warrant the Jews as we know are rarely persecuted minorities but a group of criminals being punished for their crimes.

But the chief thing that pisses them off above all else is we took their God. We dared to say "You are not chosen people we are. You killed your savior for telling you the truth."

Go read the Bible sometimes from your new red pilled perspective and things start making a whole lot more sense about how deep this hatred for the Gentile goes.

Agartha

I was also memeing that black Ethiopian Jew idea. The whole genetic origins of things gets confusing. Of course there where 12 tribes though. Trying to balance Biblical history with the reality of how things happened is confusing but the more I look into it I think ancient myths converge in a historical truth.

This was what turned me back into a Christcuck. Life is weird. I've found the best Christians are the ones who almost totally rejected it became redpilled and returned to the faith.

I have not heard this one. Just remember in all things a Kike is a Kike.

Rastafarianism. King Solomon was from Ethiopia too. There are actual Ethiopia Jews but some in Israel are subject to forced sterilization. Which raises alarm bells.

Sudanese are still Caucasian, which is why Egyptians don't look like Mulattos.

Carbon dating of charcoal particles and reeds suspended in a filler clay found deep in recent cracks reaching past the first layer of blocks date the Sphinx to the Old Kingdom, as do all pottery and tools found around the Sphinx. Either the outer layer was disassembled in the Old Kingdom and put back together, which there is no evidence of, or your rain erosion rate figures (which are notoriously difficult to estimate) are off.

Granite and basalt were only used for the inner chambers, the rest was locally quarried limestone. You can move stones on barges.
youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c
Levers and fulcrums are a hell of a thing. Not to mention the Thunder Stone, the only "advanced tech" used to move that were horses and rollers.

The rest just gets into /x/ territory.

The Giza complex is 6,500 years old. The "sphinx" was originally Anubis lying down. The "king's chamber" was repurposed by tge egyptian dynasties.

Radiocarbon dating does not work. Nice try schlomo.

it's cycles of 250 years kid
so while a civilization is a more general term
the specific empires or states in it only last 250 years max

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Where's the evidence, though?

The problem isn't "/x/", the problem is that egyptology (and archeology in general) is a highly political field, with evidenc e regularly disappearing or being doctored to fit a contemporary narrative. Another area where this regularly occurs is Peru, with Chinchorro mummies or the real face of the "Lady of Cao" being supressed. /x/ stuff is the smallest of my worries here.

It was moved only 200 years ago and the Russians documented the process quite well for the time and very publicly. This was a grand monument for their capital, the largest stone ever moved by man; not by much mind you.

Sure it's politicized, but going and asserting that monuments that have been accurately dated using direct methods are an extremely older date via indirect methods is just asinine. Especially the Orion shenanigans.

Yes. Don't get me wrong: I don't doubt that it CAN be done this way (i.e. "by hand"), especially with modern logistics, management techniques, metalwork mechanics, preparation of ways etc. But we still don't know how the Egyptians really did it. Of course I also saw all those beautiful pics with wooden ramps, wooden proto-cranes etc., but the real-hardcore physical evidence is still missing (no suprise, of course, because wood decays). In Peru e.g. with Sacsayhuaman it's even more mysterious; truly cyclopean structures.

Well, dating IS a very complex matter. Even when talking only organical matter/C14, many factors influence the final result; it's not the magical instant-dating technique some make it out to be, perhaps influenced by bad TV shows. With inorganical matter like stone and ceramics it's a lot of guesswork and circumstantial evidence, and the meteorological considerations regarding water damage of the Sphinx are actually one of the "harder-scienced" forays into the matter.

Well, all ancient cultures had strong astrotheological foundations (especially the Chaldeans and Egyptians), and as far as I'm aware it's mainstream opinion that ancient architecture and placement of buildings conformed to a correspondence worldview (i.e. the Earth and society as mirror of cosmological processes). In that sense the "orionic" placement of the Great Pyramides isn't THAT extravagant or controversial. The dating, though, and the question of the racial makeup of the early pharaos, those are very controversial and political. It's the same in Peru, where they always paint the early elite figures as brownish mestizos (e.g. "Lady of Cao"), when in fact there IS ample evidence of pre-columbian quasi-caucasoid elites. But nobody wants to rob the cholos of their identity, so the politician in me certainly understands that.

Bullshit. They built half a dozen trial run pyramids before getting it right at Giza. We can literally see how they learned from their mistakes and where the stopped midpoint and downed tools because they knew it wasn't working that time. They drew pictures of themselves doing it, too. All it takes is a sledge, some river mud, a little oil, water, and a fuckload of bored out of work farmers waiting for the flood waters to GTFO their fields. Those rocks slide like greased catshit when you get the mix right.

Incorrect. The small pyramids are the newest ones. The oldest pyramids are the largest ones.

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Wrong bitch.

And it's not a matter of size. It's a matter of construction methods.

In order:
Djoser step pyramid (120m x 110m)
Sekemket probable step pyramid (120m x 120m) - incomplete
Kaba layered pyramid (84m x 84m) - without a core it collapsed
Sneferu's pyramid at Meidum (144m x 144m) - collapsed because the core can't just be a step pyramid
Senferu's first pyramid at Dashur (188m x 188m) - started to collapse and redesigned halfway
Senefru's red pyramid (220m x 220m) - squatty but first true pyramid to stay standing
Khufu great pyramid at Giza (230m x 230m) - finally got it all right.
Djedefre pyramid at Abu Rawsh (110m x 110m minimum) - incomplete
Sethka planned pyramid at Zawyet (200m x 200m) - laid out but never started
Khafra great pyramid (215m x 215m) - went back to Giza where all the equipment and logistics were worked out.
Menkare third Giza pyramid (110m x 110m) - stayed at Giza for same reasons

Then the economy collapsed, probably bankrupted by pyramid building and crop failures, bringing down the fourth dynasty. Subsequent dynasties didn't have the economic wherewithal to rival the fourth. But before that pyramid size was mostly determined by how large a square could be leveled wherever the pharaoh told them to build it.

We know how this shit was done.

has it partially right, for the simple reason that pyramid dating is and remains a very controversial topic. Your list implies that this is somehow settled, which is absolutely NOT the case. Good resumen referencing radiocarbon analysis:
archive.archaeology.org/9909/abstracts/pyramids.html

(participation by Zahi Hawass is a huge red flag, but what can you do - top example of political influence on egypotology)

You yourself -
- allude to the fact that there were large interdynastic fluctuations in construction capacity and quality.

No, "we" really don't There are various more or less plausible hypotheses and almost religious debates about them within egyptology to this very day. Even Wikipedia lists six:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

Your example of the statue is fascinating, without the slightest doubt - but we're not talking about statues.

Only among the ignorant.

Only among the ignorant.

Doesn't work on stone. But inscriptions on the monuments, their own lists of kings, the clear progression of construction techniques, and so on do.

Only among crackpots with a book to sell.

You're talking about the single most researched buildings on the entire planet. We KNOW this shit.

As far as moving shit is concerned, a statue is just a big rock. Same thing. Same methods. But which are the 'gyppos going to decorate their shit with? A picture of moving a boring rectangular stone? Or a picture of moving a fancy fucking statue?

no, the slaves were kikes not niggers and it more went like this

original progenitor race of all whites
aryan, looked a lot like north-indo aryans but with more tan skin
mostly aryan and arabs
mostly kikes and mongrels that had arab/negroid features.

Many of the mummies are fucking clearly blond or redheaded. You can't argue that they were non-white unless you wish to look retarded.

and they are burial chambers too right?
also you know nothing.

Particularly interesting is the fact that the great pyramid of Giza (Khufu / Cheops) is not decorated. This makes it quite difficult to date. With the other two pyramids in the Giza complex, Menkare and Khafre, the walls are similarly essentially unadorned. The Red Pyramid is also plain within.

Radiocarbon dating works on false assumptions about the decay of carbon isotopes. It is a completely bunk "science".

Crackpot detected.

Let me guess, they're really coat closets for aliens, amirite? Or is it bigfoots?

It used to be. But the sacred texts etc. were be painted on the outside, not the inside.

It is, however, marked all over inside, but not for decoration. Each stone was individually labeled for the dates and crews that quarried it, dressed it, hauled it, raised it, and set it in place like the tracking label on a fedex package. You can still see those marks in between the stones inside. This is how we know how long it took to build them.

No! My own focus is Peru/Andean cultures, but I know for a fact that egyptology is an incredibly fractured field, with many schools, outright sects and "big heads" fighting for funding, recognition and political influence. Zahi Hawass is a typical case of a political archeologist. There are many competing schools of thought and methodology without ever stepping into what you call "/x/" territory.

Exactly! So we have to go by circumstantial evidence. How reliable that is, THAT is the question…

Certainly interesting data points, but you know that those cannot be taken unequivocally as true. As e.g. in the case of the Bible, those inscriptions have to be taken with grains of salt. Rewriting of history for dynastical-political ends was very real.

This argument is partially circular: proving progression depends on accurate dating, accurate dating depends on perceived progression… you yourself alluded to the fact that there are great interdynastic differences in capapility and complexity.

Hard to say. Modern scientific egyptology is not much older than 150 years, and was political from the very beginning. First in the context of the Napoleonic conquests, than under the British - and this AFTER more than a millenium of Islamic manipulation of evidence. The fact that simple mathematical observations as mentioned by still today elicit "muh /x/" invectives show that there still isn't a kind of unified theory of the kind of knowledge the ancient Egyptians posessed.

No, what you THINK you know is this or that hypothesis from this or that specific researcher. At this moment in time, no grand, unified theory of egyptology exists. The "Aryan" mummies, the many astrotheological correspondences, the completely unclear relations with Biblical history… the field is much more open than popular books or documentaries imply.

A rock - but not a pyramid. Don't oversimplify things.

Incorrect. The burial chamber hypothesis has been mostly discarded since the 2000s. The top two strongest hypotheses at the moment are the astrotheological/observatory and the initiatory chamber one, both based on the exact alignment of the chutes and chambers with stars like Sirius and the mathematical proportions alluded to by . Of course those two don't exclude the possibility that the Great Pyramids ALSO served as burial places, but any contemporary theory has to incorporate those two pieces of evidence.

Those exist, but by no means universally, and it also isn't that clear what those markings meant at all. As with the general construction methods there exist different hypotheses what those mean. You imply an unified state of knowledge which simply doesn't exist at this moment in time.

Some of the aristocracy were European, but the overwhelming majority of the population were North-African and have remained pretty much the same ever since (save for some Arab admixture)

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Geography ≠ race. The early elites were Aryan, or at least "caucasoid", like most mediterranean elites at that time.

I'm saying European in reference to the White race and North African in reference to berber sandniggers, retard.

I know, but this is no excuse for lack of precision in terminology, especially nowadays, when so much rewriting of history is going on. Much of North Africa WAS white at some point in time, after all.

Sorry, but this is not true.

Sorry but it IS true and DNA evidence confirms it.

Ancient texts of almost every decent civilizations speak about blond haired white people with blue eyes and/or red haired white people with green eyes. You see this especially in Hindu scripture probably the oldest religion on Earth. I believe that the Aryan people where a huge influence globally, they are inventors, builders and people that made the most progress anyways, they build the world and they kindly helped others living in the world they've build. It's a sad case however how much the kikes want to destroy everything related to anything Aryan.

Did they actually chant "Jews will not replace us" at Charlottesville?

I remember watching it and thinking it was "You will not replace us" but I've seen people (particularly normalfags) trying to meme otherwise. Don't remember it from the original streams and the only proof I could find is shit like
youtube.com/watch?v=mQrhL3ei568
youtube.com/watch?v=n12sjwk9FBE

VICE changed the audio user. In the live streams you didn't hear jews, it was just you.

Ehh, not really.
What happened is that some of the native americans (from northeast north america in particular) are partially descendents of the Yamnia, the same people who originated about half of the genetic stock of all of europe (R1ba1 haplogroup, diversion happened after the division into the b1, which is present in Nigeria) mixed with other NE asiatic populations and several thousand years of separate evolution.
And they sort of look somewhat european, almost like they were halfbreeds.When the english colonists first arrived in America, they thought that the natives were just europeans which spent too much time on the sun, for example.
There is some evidence that might point that the atlantic celts in general (iberians, gauls and bretons) might have had contact with the natives thousands of years before the vikings did, based on some anomalies on the copper trade during antiquity and some archeological findings related to the solutrean hypothesis.
However, this does not mean that actual europeans were once the first settlers of the americas.
However, the current hyposthesis is that the current native americans migrated to America thorught the bering strait about 20.000 years ago, but there are stone paintings in NE Brazil which date from 40.000 years ago, so, maybe they werent the first to arrive here?

Then provide the DNA evidence that proves that North Africa was once white, faggot. I'll be waiting. As it stands, all current knowledge of human migration throughout history points to the fact that North Africa has always been populated by brown caucasoids not too different to the one that inhabit it today.

Oh fuck i sperged hard thinking it was north america.

Anyways, DNA evidence shows that North africa was, well, north african.
Eventually there was a huge influx of hispanic population into the area, which was followed by a semitic influx as result of phoenician settlements. Then came the greeks and romans, and finally the arabs and africans, who left the biggest genetic mark out of all the previous groups, varying on the region.

Over minutiae. The basics like the order of the pyramids is well established.

Documentary evidence is not circumstantial. The gyppos wrote the shit out of stuff.

Was Ramesses the Third really as great as his inscriptions say? Who knows? But you're trying to claim we don't know if he came after Ramesses 2 or before.

Bullshit. You don't need to know exact dates to establish ordering. You have that exactly backwards.

This isn't a matter of dates. It's all about evolution and development of techniques and technology. And you can establish that progression. And once you have that progression, THEN you establish dates.

But the examples I gave are all late third dynasty and fourth dynasty. And they show a clear progression of developing pyramid building technology.

Which makes it older than most sciences in general. Which makes it one of the oldest sciences and the pyramids the most researched buildings. Can you name one possible alternative?

No, what I actually DO know is civil fucking engineering. Which is why I keep telling you it's about methods and techniques (and also a fuckload of economics). The mystery of the pyramids isn't how they were built. We know that. The real mystery is how they fed and organized all the manpower needed to get them done (which, more often than not, they didn't).

Don't be obtuse. A pyramid is just a better organized pile of rocks. And they didn't move pyramids. They moved rocks to build pyramids.

By crackpots. Who don't know a fucking sarcophagus when they see one.

If they're not burial chambers, then why was most of Djoser found still in his?

And observatory? Really? The fuck do you think you are going to "observe" through a small shaft that makes an upwards bend a short ways in, especially when it ends at a ritual door and never reaches the outside of the structure? And what the fuck kind of observatory would have so manay things built in to seal it off and keep people the fuck out? Kind of hard making "observations" when the way to the "observatory" is blocked by tons upon tons of hust fucking stones slid into place for the express purpose of keeping your ass out.

Observatory? That's retarded.

Absolutely universally. They've just been worn off everywhere they're easily visible by thousands of years of tomb robbers and tourists. But if you were to disassemble the structure you'd find each block carefully marked for accounting.

Only to the ignorant. This isn't linear a we're talking about. We can read gyppo heiroglyphs. Champollion fucking got that covered.

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Akshually there is a long-standing and widespread debate within physics if all those constants are really constants, for example the speed of light.
sciencenews.org/article/speed-light-not-so-constant-after-all
livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html

Your two articles aren't about the constant changing, but about how light can travel slower than that constant. Time variability is a factor in many models, but there isn't much solid evidence for it, and numerous studies place extreme bounds on the rate of change. 10000 years would not be enough to alter the constant in a way that would appreciably affect Carbon 14 decay rates.

arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0402177.pdf

This is precisely the problem, that you a priori assume linear progress: "this one is more primitive, so it must be older, while this one is more sophisticated, so it must be younger". But this begs the question if this premise is true in the first place. That's why accurate dating is so important and has to come, in fact, before theory building.

Of course - but is it true what they wrote, that is the question. Same problem as with the Bible - how reliable is the scriptural evidence? And I don't mention the Bible by accident, because I probably don't have to tell you that there are great divergences between the OT and what the Egyptians themselves recorded.

Disagree, although it's not that relevant for our discussion. The natural sciences (= "natural philosophy") are much older, if one posits Aristoteles as the first great naturalist.

Of course, the ancient Greek and Roman structures, although that's not a fruitful line of thinking in the first place. Due to geographical proximity and political access, Mediterranean structures obviously were more accessible to European researchers than e.g. Peruvian or Cambodian ones. More important than the starting date of investigation is the depth of said investigation, and that a wide range of interesting mathematical properties and astrotheological principles are still not integrated into an unified model of Ancient Egypt shows that the field is still in a quite rudimentary stage.

Perhaps you should try to publish in a journal of egyptology from a civil engineering perspective, then, and I don't say that facetiously. With the specific field of egyptology the question is by no means settled, and even Wikipedia (!) lists six competing hypotheses:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyramid_construction_techniques

Inform yourself about the current state first. The star shaft hypothesis has gone more or less mainstream in the last 15 years and doesn't conflict at all with the Great Pyramids being, at the same time, tombs. It's not some esoteric topic as you seem to imply; after all, it's well established that the Egyptians were big on astrotheology and saw their country as the earthly mirror of cosmic processes, so it stands to reason that their largest structures would incorporate elements of their cosmology as well.

You yourself admit that comprehensive evidence is incomplete ("worn off during the years", "if you were to disassemble the structure" etc.), so while it is certainly a hypothesis that makes sense - and which I also share -, you shouldn't make such sweeping claims.

The engineering marks aren't "Champollian" hieroglyphs, though.
nbcnews.com/id/43314221/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/mystery-pyramid-hieroglyphs-it-all-adds/

Its in the Mythology too

A literal god compared to ancient humans.

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Kek, nice merchant. Yes, I certainly understand "scepticist" posters like , but the great problem for archeology in general and egyptology are not the /x/ers, but political archeologists like Hawass and the very political nature of research, funding and reporting. Pyramid construction isn't that controversial, but everything related to e.g. Ancient Aryans is a huge minefield, and this is also where the dating of the pyramids becomes important.

The whole coast of the Mediterranean was white (e.g. look at Assad!) until the Arab slave trade diluted parts of it with nigger.

And that doesn't make it less true. DNA studies confirm it. They were basically the same as southern europeans.

Does't this amount to the same, though?
Old dogma: speed of light is a constant (i.e. always the same)

New evidence: SOL changes, under certain conditions

Tentatively agree, there certainly is still much room for investigation.

C14 analysis is a very complex topic in its own right… I'm always a bit wary regarding it, many people reference it as some quasi-magical technique comparable to fMRI in the neurosciences. The rate of change of so-called constants is definitely an interesting topic; I cannot help but think that the very term "constant" oftentimes was chosen prematurely.

No, even today, very light-skinned people exist in Marocco, Algeria and Tunesia, and the Berbers in aniquity were often described as essentially white.

This isn't a racial descriptor, though. You can call me autist all you want, 'North Africa" simply is a geographical designation. Same with -
- what's that supposed to mean? What today is called Spain was settled by PIE peoples, Ibero-Celtics and later Romans, then Germanics (Visigoths, Vandals) and later Berbers in the South. It's really important to differentiate race and geography, in all regions of the world.

Generally agree, although I would make an exception for the Phoenicians/Punics/Canaanites, who seem to have been prototypically Semitic peoples.

and aristocracy

Dear wizards of 8/pol/, I have some ideas which I lack the finesse to execute:

Some black girl trying to look like a pharaoh in front of two buttons, one reads 'We wuz Kangz', the other reads, 'Slavery is evil'. ofc, you can change the wording to suit your purposes, but that's the basic premise.

Another idea is to have some sort of ebonics laden infographic extolling the virtues of black-egyptology and explaning why the jews deserved to be enslaved, and suggesting that they still do.

cant work paint

More like "this one uses methods pioneered in the last one while pioneering methods used in the next one".

It's called occams fucking razor, bitch, and without it you might as well assume that black is white.

Again you are conflating dubious minutiae with established facts. We know Ramesses 3 came after Ramesses 2 and other basic shit like that.

Then you are wrong.

Not necessary. Hundreds have already been published that agree with what I'm saying. But they're a little technical, very dry, and aren't nearly as sensationalist as the "muh ancient aleyins" crap you cling to.

You are fucking retarded. Yes the shafts were roughly (and I do mean roughly) aligned on certain stars, but that doesn't make them an observatory. You can't observe shit through them.

Do you even know what an observatory actually is? It a place to observe the sky. Building a sealed granite box and piling a metric fucktonne of stone on top of it is about the worst fucking way to do that.

And besides, we already have Egyptian observatories. The earliest known was at Nabta, and like all ancient observatories it's just a circle of rocks in the sand, and this is the important part, it's open to the sky. Other Egyptian observatories were more sophisticated, replacing the ring of rocks with a level wall carefully labeled. There's even a possible observatory next to the pyramid of Menkaure, and it's also open to the sky, and it's not the fucking pyramid itself.

Egyptian pyramids are not observatories.

Every time they move or expose a stone, they find inventory marks. Look in the cracks between stones and you find inventory marks. Inventory marks everywhere. That's not a "sweeping claim", it's a fucking fact based on centuries of observations.

You've never even been there, have you?

Put down the sensationalist popsci bullshit and learn some real science, mmmkay?

Not that guy but can you elaborate on these inventory marks?

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Each stone was labeled for the various gangs that quarried, dressed, hauled, and set it, along with dates and directions on where each stone was supposed to be placed in the final structure. They're kind of the hieroglyphic version of a fedex tracking label for rocks. This was to keep the whole huge process organized and make sure each gang kept up and got paid for their work.

You can still see these marks with an endoscope if you shove it in the gaps between stones where they haven't been worn off by tourists. They're a little hard to read because you almost never get to see a whole mark all at once, but the ones that have been translated are fascinating. The names of the work gangs are awesome. From various pyramids we have "Khufu's Pals", "Menkaure's Best Boozers", "The Falcons of Dawn" (possibly a reference to morning wood), and my own personal favorite "The Pullers With the Biggest Dicks". Yes, that was the official name of one work gang.

For some pyramids, especially the various incomplete or ruined ones without proper mortuary temples, these marks are the only way to know which pharaoh they were built for.

The DNA sequence of multiple Egyptian mummies and modern day Berbers. Get out of the thread if you aren't up to date on the evidence you stupid fucking nigger.

OR is a sometimes useful cognitive tool - it's by no means some law or universal normative standard. You obviously cherish your a priori assumptions - we all do -, but evidence is king in the realm of science, and for that reason pyramid dating is still a very open question. It's really dishonest, or simpy uninformed, to pretend otherwise.

That's genealogy and dynastics - we're talking pyramid construction/dating, though. And don't take that so lightly, the Bible example has shown that dating by autochtonic writings can be very misleading.

You are coming close to outright lying. Egyptology, and archeology in general, are still woefully lacking in natural science and engineering basics - most archeologists are educated along humanist lines (which makes sense, of course). You pretend there's a consensus where, in reality, none exists. If even Wikipedia (!!) lists six different hypotheses, this should suffice to show that underlying debates are very much alive.

Fuck off with this idiocy; not once did I mention ayyl stuff. All I'm saying is that pyramid dating and construction are still very much open questions, with many competing hypotheses to this very day.

Remember the religious background of the ancient Egyptians, their astrotheological metaphysics. Those weren't "observatories" in the modern, naturalistic sense, but ritual complexes designed to align their own activities (among them, of course, burials) with cosmic processes. Nothing controversial about that.

Not an argument.

Ironic, given your complete lack of knowledge on the current state of the debate.

This, at least, is mostly true.

I've always loved the 1st pic

Feels bad man

A great deal of it, OP. That said, the Egyptians weren't Aryans as we understand them to be. They didn't speak an Indo-European language. The apparent European DNA mentioned in must come from an earlier point in time. We wuz also Atlanteans.

Over time, they became culturally enriched. Now, the mulatto and quadroon Pharaohs were still smart enough to see what was happening. They knew that they needed a resurgence of Aryan DNA to save their dying civilization. This is why the Thutmose IV went to great lengths to pressure the Aryan Mitanni into letting him marry one of their princesses. He wrote them like five letters about it IIRC. The Mitanni, for their part, didn't want to send one of their daughters off to marry someone with non-Aryan ancestry, but the Egyptians had over a gorillion times as many quadroons as the Mitanni did pure blooded Aryans. The Mitanni King knew that an outright invasion would destroy the white race of his day, so he gave up his own daughter to save it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabyle_people

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