The question of natality

One of the most common leftist arguments for immigration is that the country needs them. While the particular "needs" the left champions are mostly retarded shit, there is one that is very valid, and which is an economic reality – the white population is aging and shrinking. This is a recipe for an economical disaster, where you have less and less workforce, yet more and more retired that need pensions. The patchwork solution to this issue are immigrants, who bolster the workforce. Since white birthrates are falling globally, those immigrants will naturally always be non-white, as there's no place that would have such a surplus of them that it'd be able to continuously export them, whereas niggers have Africa, Asians have China, poos have India, etc.

Now of course, the best solution for all this is to raise white birth rates, but that is actually a massive problem. The entire societal and economical system of the first world actively discourages having children – let me outline just three key issues:
1) Having kids is expensive in the first world. Massively so. While a nig in Somalia can shit out twelve of them and only provide some rice and basic (usually passed down) clothing, a child in the first world needs to wear nice clothes, needs to attend school and have all the school supplies that come with it, needs to have expensive toys to entertain him, often needs a computer or at least a phone, needs to commute every day, needs a good, varied diet (usually the one thing everyone skimps on, especially in US, but the potential savings are then spent on sweets and other luxuries), needs to have a nicely furnished room, and so on, all of this for roughly two decades with all of that shit being periodically replaced with new things. While the quality of life of the first world kid is surely much better, it is also extremely expensive, so much so that affording this to more than just two or so kids is fiscally impossible for a middle class family in the West, and each such kid is sure to significantly hurt the lifestyle of its parents. And no first world parent is going to raise his child in poverty. Or, hell, even if he tried, the kid would get nabbed by social services.

2) Raising kids takes time and effort. Even if you're a shit parent that lets computer and TV raise his kids for him, they still need a certain degree of your time and attention. Things that are difficult to come by after an 8 hour shift. In the past, you could have the woman do it, since she didn't go to work anyway so she could afford spending most of the day taking care of many children without burning down. Today that's an impossibility, with only the rich being able to afford to have one of the parents be long term unemployed.

3) Being childless or having few children is an objective advantage. More money to spend on the things you like, more time to do whatever the fuck you want, easier rise on the career ladder, as your job is the only thing you have to worry and care about, none of that stress accompanying children… For a selfish, decadent individual who doesn't feel a strong urge to have offspring, having children must seem like the pinnacle of idiocy.

How does one solve these issues, anons? Women could perhaps be banned from work, solving the second issue,,but then you'd leave most of the country in poverty unless you somehow managed to convince the companies to massively increase the wages, but then they'd just outsource the jobs to a country where women do work. The third one could perhaps be solved by government incentives or even a childless tax, but these things rarely work as intended. I have no idea how the first issue could be solved.

What are your thougts on the topic, anons? Any other important issues you'd like to mention? Any ideas on how to solve all this?

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This is their rationalization, but it's a lie. Immagrants are net users of welfare. They only serve to make a country poorer and lower birthrates of citizens who actually plan their pregnancies (whites, Asians, and other high IQ races).

Society is plenty productive to support whites and their children without (((bankers))) skimming the fruit of their labors off the top and devaluing their savings.

Even if it is untrue, a solution that seems like it could work is better to the average normalfag than no solution. Just look at communism. If the left claims it has a solution to this problem, then the right must come up with a solution of its own as well.

Capitalism is cultural Judaism and cancer. Companies being allowed to do things that damage the nation for profit is not something that should be allowed, we need an authoritarian government to step in and crush the kikes - which you might have noticed is a theme here.

We could just get rid of most of the boomers. They aren't the masterminds of this bullshit but they sure the fuck sold us out. Then we wouldn't have to pay for their retirement.

how do you motivate the next generation to have at least three kids a family, then?

I'm going to raise my kid to be debt free; and make sure I have a place for them to stay, and eventually inherit when I pass away.

It's simple if you have quite alot of power over your nation to increase white birthrates.


that's what I can think off the top of my head that if you had control of your country you could do to increase the birthrate of whites.

I can afford to support kids and a housewife.

I don't like social activities and have no friends though, and my field of work (railway) is basically all men in remote areas. So since western culture doesn't do arranged marriages anymore, I probably won't be having a family.

I'd like to raise a white family but fuck all that dating bullshit.

Easy solution to making your kids cheaper and easier to have many, live humbly and raise them to enjoy less expensive entertainment
Live in a area where outdoor activities are available, those are free and healthy

White birth rate is up.
Advances in automation will reduce the job supply.


There is NO problem with the white birth rate, the white population is healthy and contracting as fewer people will soon be needed. The big problem is immigration, we need to stop immigration of shit skins, then stop paying shit skins to have kids with welfare and tax breaks for having kids ect. .

The rise of automation means that a nation can maintain the same or higher GDP with a lower population. The "workforce" narrative is a blatantly obvious lie.
If I could, I would have the Immigration Act of 1965 repealed and every nonwhite in the country deported. Low population density is both attractive and statistically superior; it's not a hard idea to sell.

10 out of 10
would live under your fascist rule

thats depressing
kikes have destroyed marriage
fathers pay to have their daughters dress and live as whores instead of going out to look for men like you to marry their daughters


how are we going to colonize the planet with fewer whites?

Everybody's "fantasy utopia" has that characteristic. Even the leftists. I'm pretty sure Jews see dystopias as desireable however.

And so on. We'll be fine.

A standard Jewish trick is the abuse of exponents. They trick people into thinking that the economy or their portfolio can grow X% per year in perpetuity and it can't.

The world economy has spent the last 30 years pretending that it can. And I think partial reasons why they are importing immigrants is because they are trying to make the impossible work by bringing in more bodies capable of working, paying taxes, and taking on debt.

Population must be able to naturally rise and fall because unrestricted growth inevitably leads to death caused by war and famine.

Take any annualized rate of growth and divide in by 72. That is approximately the "doubling period"

I'm just going to chime in with; my favourite new group of crazies on Jewtube are, antinatalists. These bat shit cat ladies who feel the need to tell the world they aren't going to have children. All pigs you wouldn't fuck even with salt-left's dick.

Automation - not immigration - is the answer to a declining population.

Automation is a meme that has been circulating for well over a century now, yet here we are, still having to work a job. There's no actual guarantee that this job-free period will ever come, let alone within our lifetimes, and trying to use non-existant, future tech as a magical solution to current problems is just trying to avoid the issue. Hell, if we're doing sci-fi, then why not mention that a population that doesn't enjoy surplus growth can never colonise the space, as it will lack the colonists? The current population troubles do not stem from having too many people, but from all of them flocking together to cities and leaving the countryside empty. If you had only a million people in all of USA, you'd find a few dozen thousand growing shit in the countryside, and the rest packed together like sardines in Washington DC.

This is not to mention that if your population is too low, you'll become easy pickings to the rapidly multiplying nigs and other subhumans who can invade and conquer the place with sheer numbers alone.

White population needs to steadily rise and never fall, the surplus being used to colonise the not yet developed parts of the world (shitloads of unused space in USA alone) or be expended in various wars aimed at making their nation prosper through force. The solution to population density is promotion of deurbanisation, such as creating (or forcing companies to create) jobs in areas far from the cities and similar.

Top kek, I bumped into them as well recently. It was some standard issue blue-haired dyke who went on and on about how they will be "the future of society". The comment section was absolutely ripped with "you overestimate how much influence your non-existent offpsring will have" before it all got shut down.

AI is taking over every aspect of life, slowly but surely. It started with putting robots in factories, now the next step is self driving cars.

Ever notice how the most inane and insane problems (or "problems") such as "the economy," "global warming," "gun violence," "equality," liberalism in third-world shitholes, governments in third-world shitholes, African starvation, etc. are treated as fixable if we do enough, while the white birthrate is just something (((natural))) that we have to accept and which we can do nothing about?

Have more children.
They will carry your blood to the future.

to add to that,

straight from uncle adolf's playbook, nice work user

Thewre is no problem with an aging and skrinking population is you remove
USURY
from the equation. Without usury, the population of a nation would undergo regular contraction and expansion phases. Our financial system is saturated with ponzy schemes which use compound interest. Everything from pensions to the governments debt to the nature of the currency created requires constant growth. At some point, a population's carrying capacity is met and too many taxes are levied to pay interest on the debt. At that point, population growth halts

Then, "you need more people goy", when in reality, it's "(((We))) need more people, goy, to keep all these ponzy schemes running". This is why usury was made a sin in the Christian world after the Roman Empire's collapse. Usury plaid a great role in collapsing the Empire.

THERE IS NO OTHER REASON FOR THE ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED MORE PEOPLE

People like you should be gassed too. Want to know how pathetic you sound?


It should be our IMPERATIVE to marry and raise families (warrior children)
After nearly giving up all hope I found a wonderful conservative girl and married her last month. Kids on the way in the next few years. Man the FUCK UP and put some effort in.

God bless you user.

ECONOMY DOES NOT NEED TO EXPAND CONSTANTLY

That meme is a jewish fucking trick.

Nigger I think you're forgetting something, that is muh automation. The pensioners are going to get their pensions however the financial landscape looks, what matters and should matter to them, is how much they can buy with that money. That said, what does matter is how many goods get produced. Without migrants, the factories automate, the reduced pool of workers means the jobs end up matching up better with the amoun of people that need jobs and it all ends up working out. Bring in hordes of migrants who become net welfare recipients and you force the system to tax the goods production into a halt because there isn't enough fluidity to make investments at a sufficiently incessant rate. In that case, all the robots in the world can't help, because nobody (or at least not enough) can afford, operate, maintain or even buy them.

That's true. Territorial expansion is the mark of a healthy civilization. By listening to most of the people even on the "far right" talk you get the impression that just want to hunker down into turtle mode and lick their wounds. The worst of the bunch are the "nationalism4evry1" 'omninationalists' who couldn't bear the thought of expansion and denounce one race gaining at the expense of another as if that isn't the natural order of the universe.

Gas the kikes; lebensraum now.


This is just a dodge. It is a fact that more and more jobs are becoming automated while there are far fewer replacement jobs and it is a reasonable bet that we can expect this to continue. A jobless future is not on the horizon, but it's clear that we're needing fewer and fewer people. We're cutting off the lower end of the bellcurve. What job is a 70 IQ white supposed to do that a computer can't do better? Frankly we're running headfirst into a eugenics crisis.

I agree that we need to expand though.


As a quick aside it's worth noting that the economy will always grow anyway unless you go through a major war, because most of the time value is not being destroyed and we're just producing more wealth. The difference is that this economy of real things is not the same as the kike economy, which includes magic numbers that can grow and shrink independent of any "real value." When kikes talk about the economy shrinking they mean their debts shrinking, because, while real value is not typically destroyed, finanancialized (((value))) can fluctuate all over the fucking place.

Constructive advice? I can't even talk to women, no one talks in transit in my country and I'm not going to pick up a club woman.

Reconnect with someone you went to high school with.

Problem is migrants mostly only provide certain kinds of labour.
Very cheap and basic labour.
While you do get specialists those are rarer.

The problem we have is that nobody has really managed to build a society that properly manages industrialisation.
The fascists, communists and technocracy movement all had their proposals but none were able to build a lasting or functioning (in the case of the gommies) society.
Every other political movement of the last century and this century didn't touch the industrial problem.
As a result we're still basically running on the same rules as the early industrial age with the same answers being applied. And it doesn't work.

Until a political order capable of managing an industrial society is in place, there's no real way to deal with the huge costs associated with children.

Grew up in diversity land, that's a little hard.

We don't need a positive birth-rste for now. Linear growth is a huge meme and our countries (except maybe the US) have hit the population cap long ago.
The Georgia's guidestone is right, we need to keep the world population under 500 million. we can colonize space tho

I recently heard an argument white women shouldn't have kids because it "reduces lifespan".

lol, even though the average dropday for workers of both genders is 72 for men, 83 for women.

you could ban women from getting most jobs, notably not including actress, gynecologist, writer(unless they're demonstrably bad), artist(unless their work is demonstrably bad), singer, musician, and MAYBE doctor

you could also remove every single recent immigrant from the country anyway since most of them are illegal welfare leeches AND within the span of 1 year end all H1B and H2B visas as well

Take a darkie as a war bride. Whiteness is passed down through the male, your kids will count as white.

Don't take this personally, OP. But please work on your memory. Math will help as well, as proxies are principally a banking operation. The rest of your post past P1 is not the responsibility of social. Nor can it be. What you envision paying for your shit is currently used to pay for their shit, why do you think we're here?

No one cares about migrants. Not even migrants care about migrants. Not that way, not the way you talk about, not even the way their own words talk about. Sure, each X-centrist loves to talk about their centers – of shit, and re-write them as pride, snackbar 'babies', 37yo 'teens boys' and all.

Why save the children? Why save the autists? why have breast cancer research? Why get grants for HIV research to go nowhere for decades? Why save the faggots? Why dyke feminist social reparation justice etc?

No one cares. Especially not the people claiming to care. All of your focus of the rest of your post is a tangent that doesn't even engage. Sorry. Migrants are -sum-total- loss leading. Same with slaves. Cotton was only ever net profitable, if you didn't have to pay for the slaves. Elon Musk doesn't care about electric cars, but he'll still champion them as if he does, so long as he gets tax+bank+favor credits.

No one gets to like it. No one gets to hate it. It just is, and is the core operation of economic exchange: that is, it is exchange. The numbers aren't real. They are numerators, rated by denominator actuals, and exchanged. It is and has always been. Where it goes wrong, is when you have multicults and diversity lies. Where it goes wrong, is when the numbers need 'a readily acceptable basis' which also 'justifies blank mega-checks to group accounts that go subsequently unaccounted' – because that -is- (((their))) objective. This means welfare, to misappropriate salvation onto the dead. This means govt force, to misappropriate damnation onto the living. And it means that, since time is limited, the mis-appropriation of time and resource to them, via currency numerators, time and resource that otherwise would not be. This means the expansion of their muh kids, explicitly at the provision of yours.

As for your solutions, I doubt you care enough to see enough to actually solve shit. Otherwise you would have seen the mechanics. And the obvious solution of stopping the numerators for them, period. Even if you don't, which I can't imagine will stop lightly, this all self terminates in due time. It just creates an endless shitflinging shitshow, which can stay insane longer than you can stay solvent. Welcome to Jew. We aren't allowed to kill them. They do kill themselves. We already know how to solve it. And they've been asking for it, louder of late.

Do they teach you that at TRS? You sound exactly the same as every other feminist who comes crawling out of that shithole presuming to lecture actual productive white men.

Thanks user, this post helped me to remember someone in another year.

Well an important first step has to be the repeal of the downright evil AoC laws that feminists have managed to promulgate the West.

In their personal selfishness attempting to extend their own shelf life, they have managed to effectively place women who are in fact at the prime of their child-rearing years out of reach. Along with the other great evil they've also pulled off, namely sending women into the orc training grounds of the modern University, this ZOMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN. RAEP!!! horseshit by far the single largest force keeping White birth rates low.

Salt-left, pls. Heritage is passed down through the man, but whiteness is plainly recessive. We wouldn't be the planet's racial minority otherwise.

Salt-left, pls. You ought to lay off the koolaid.

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Not as much as flooding your country with illiterate shitskins and lowering the national average IQ by 10 points. The first is only a problem because of the Jewish economic system which literally requires exponential population growth to remain viable. The second is a problem no matter what, which will permanently destroy our nation and race. This is at the same time that human labor is becoming less and less necessary to maintain the same levels of production.

C'mon user, don't be so harsh. please think of the wife's sons.

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That's not how genetics works.

I told him he's a faggot at precisely because I'm Brazilian and his line of thinking is what lead to my country being full of hueniggers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_whitening
Racemixing is how you make Brazil. You do not want that.

Tbh most of the mixed population here comes from Portuguese soldiers and settlers raping Indians and nigger and then going back to their portuguese wifes.
Racial whitening and extensive race mixing in general is something rather recent in the history of Brazil, as it's evidenced as being outright scandalous on several novels of the 19th century.
My historical sperging aside, point absolutely taken. A mix breed individual is MUCH worse than a pure one even of a lesser race, since they are entitled to the white man's feats but have, at best, a middle-of-the-way cognitive ability.

Boot all non-whites and Jews out, cold turkey recover/take care of your own parents and work your ass off. The price for a future you own is WORK. No one here should be against WORK if that work isn't being siphoned by non-white Judases. If you're against work in a white society, you can live in poverty and deal with it.

The state should work to cut off the fat and lazy, those who spend their youth and wealth on something other than the good of their national citizenry (meaning, yes, you're hurting yourself through helping your competition within the nation, not OUTSIDE the nation - helping the country be encouraging more inter-competition).

The virtue signalling with anti-white (((philanthropy))) needs to die and stop.

Just as an addendum, America does not fulfill the requirements for this work.

White men should minimize all contributions to the anti-white state which still makes it illegal for them to secure a future for their white children. Nothing less than the allowance of discrimination in business transactions and housing would be adequate. Openly white nationalist organizations need to be 100% legal. Whites should be encouraged to acquire state power for their ethnic group, in open collusion to help themselves. Anything less is anti-white and pro-miscegenation, a push for genocide of white people. All Jews must be allowed to be discriminated against in open ways and expelled from all forms of business if it is chosen by them to do so.

I don't encourage wagecucking.

By playing the same game: Have kids you can't afford, and force the government to pay for it. Actively work to collapse the social safety net from within by using the maximum amount of services and paying as little into it as possible.

This fucking enrages Jews, as the system is setup to support nogs and Muslims who have zero shame. White people do, and so they try to shame you into not using welfare. They also try to shame you into going into permanent debt, so it's really up to you how long you're going to let shame be the God of your people's destiny. Shame is a false god. Destiny is the only true one.

These are quality posts. I actively encourage anyone with pro-white consciousness to start your own business and use as many tax loopholes and shelters as you can possibly get away with. Avoid paying anything to the state, as the state is anti-white. For all intents and purposes they are foreign conquerors. Treat them as such. Subvert the system, motivate your people, and only support your own.

Do you have hobbies or interests? Hopefully so. Expand on those socially. Like the outdoors? Look on MeetUp for a local hiking/foraging group. Like gardening? Join a gardening club. Like music? Go to some local open mics. Find a woman in the sphere of what your interests are. Or make friends in those spheres that can introduce you to women. I met m wife through a friend of a friend at a small party he hosted. Just increase your social activity in a direction you already like.

I am a Statesman.
My allegiance is to the image of the State.
My allegiance is to what's mine.
My allegiance is not to subversion.

Underrated. Hopefully the average indigenous European will collectively wake up in time, see the invasion for what it truly is, and drive the hordes out while there's still hope