So the alt-left cunts have decided to roll out some bullshit that prevents their pages from archival this past couple months or so. We can't just let these faggots win, though the other two options that are currently available, that is, to save the webpage or a screenshot of the webpage yourself often fall to scrutiny as it's often considered that the user from which the archive originates doctored the webpages to their own personal preference.
So, I've come up with two possiblities, of which at least one should work in theory that removes the "personal" part from the archive, and allows only non-doctored source pages to appear:
Thoughts? I'd like to know if this idea would be feasible or if the same pitfalls would be met with regards to the current archival services available.
Can that FB(?) post be archived? It's a redpill all it's own. Literal Ministry of Truth stuff.
Brandon Morales
So they are blatantly saying that they don't stand behind anything they write or produce, and admit that they go back and change things to fit the current narrative, and "correct" unconventional truths?
Also, absolutely nothing can stop people archiving published material in some way or another. Vice is acting like a teenage girl or feminist activist, thinking that they can get something permanently removed from the internet.
Camden Perry
*inconvenient truths
Jose Ortiz
vice isn't doing shit but putting it in a robots file or in a tag somewhere. it's only not getting archived because the archive site is agreeing to abide by the robots file or the tag. there's nothing stopping any other archive site from popping up and telling them and everyone like them to go fuck themselves.
pretty sure you have all the legal standing in the world to do it too, atleast in the united states and if your not using it as a purely profit driven business, your capturing the pages whole and not scraping them and giving them credit.
it's the same reason the news can use clips and news from other news outlets as long as they credit them, it's fair use.
Luis Kelly
I was under the impression that running the article through google translate (or presumably any other translation service) and then archiving circumvented the block on archive websites. As in "detect language" to "english".
Brody Nelson
This is not really feasible, especially for single-page websites. This would work.
But they can't block any kind of archiving without putting their content behind a login/paywall. You should be able to take a snapshot of the DOM regardless.
Jordan Johnson
I'm confused too why you believe "save page as", zipping it up, and uploading it to an archiver will not work. I have saved many pages that way before.
Jonathan Hill
Would freezepage be a viable option in this case?
Grayson Nguyen
Just archive the google cache. They can't really say no to google, right? You want to be on google, don't you, vice? So just google the name of the article and go from there
Ryder Lewis
REPOSTING ITT FROM
THE "ALT-LEFT" IS A KIKE MEME. STOP USING IT
There is absolutely NOTHING good about this "alt-left" bullshit for a number of reasons. For starters, it legitimizes the made-up media buzzword "alt-right", which we have rejected from the start, but more importantly, IT IMPLIES THAT THE ONES COMMITTING THE VIOLENCE ARE FRINGE ELEMENTS THAT DO NOT REPRESENT THE ACTUAL LEFT-WING.
How the fuck can't you idiots see this fact? What you're doing is FANTASTIC for our enemy. You are essentially giving them cover by saying that only the violent fringe "alt-left" is to blame, and that there is some legitimacy to the "regular left". No. Fuck off. THEY'RE ALL LEFT. Antifa are just the footsoldiers of the "moderate" left. They ALL want us dead. White genocide is a priority for all of them. There is nothing "alt" about any of this since they are engaing in the most typical left-wing antics since the modern "left" ever existed.
The "alt-left" meme stinks of judaism. You may fool autistic newfags and cuckchan migrants, but anyone with half a brain whose been here long enough can tell.
Tyler Stewart
Alt-left pls. Even if there were such a thing as you describe, namely these mythical 'actual left-wing', it's obvious people conflate the more centrist right and the 'alt-right', especially at this moment.
There is no 'actual left', there is only the alt-left. When did you ever meet a libshit that wasn't alt-left?
Dominic Morris
Nice attempt at turning this into another buzzword, you obvious fucking shill Everyone promoting non-white immigration, leftist policies, lgbbq faggotry, degeneracy, feminism, and other assorted garbage are the actual left-wing. They are all our enemies, not just the violent segments you wish to compartmentalize. The violent parts are just the foot-soldiers of the "intellectual" class. You're trying to absolve the rest of them of any responsibility by acting as though the "alt-left" is solely to blame. The ENTIRE left deserves a bullet since they're all traitors. Crying about the "alt-left" is like saying "I oppose RADICAL islam only, but the moderate muslims are okay".
No. There is no "alt-left", there is only the actual left. The left has remained the same left for decades. There is nothing "alt" about their methods or goals.
The alt-left doesn't fucking exist. Keep trying to push this psyop, though.
Evan Brown
How does throwing your stuff through the memory hole helps?!
You're discrediting yourselves, archiving just makes it easier to register your hipocrisy. First example that comes to mind: When they acused Milo for defending pedophilia, they had to shut down their own article defending pedos.
Old media (newspapers) rarely admited they were wrong but you still had the actual paper to demonstrate them they were wrong. These "millenial news sources" (sic) are just editing/deleting their stuff to defend their narrative because truth doesn't matter.
I've archived google caches and even archive.org versions of sites before they got DMCA.
Alt-lefter (or also known as a faggot), I have a question for you. Why are you so triggered?
Dylan Bailey
What's the alt-left? Some shitty establishment kike attempt at avoiding any responsibility? Sounds like it to me.
Connor Stewart
Hey there alt-leftie! Watcha doin?
Xavier Jenkins
Because web 2.0 mandates that all content is in memory and retrieved from asynchronous JavaScript.
Your save page will get the HTML, css, and requisite JavaScript, but the actual content is still on their servers. You have to export the DOM after that content has loaded.
Jeremiah Johnson
Hey there shlomo, your shilling won't work.
Cooper Jenkins
There's nothing stopping anyone from downloading the HTML and saving it locally. Which means there's nothing making it impossible to archive.
I do find it hilarious though "Oy very we made it impossible to save our articles because those evil Nazis we're saving our articles!"
You're absolutely confident this isn't javascript fuckery? If it's breaking pages for some normal users, it's more likely and this could be harder to circumvent.
Camden Mitchell
Keeping historical records is now "xenophobic, racist, bigoted, sexist and Islamophobic". Lol, these people are completely insane.
Ryan Robinson
They are in full damage control, they have an arsenal of logical fallacies and they are not scared to use it.
Charles Nelson
ALL CHROMIUM BASED BROWSERS Wasn't hard, right?
Ryan Price
You'll have shills whining about how images can be spooped.
Leo Taylor
This, sadly.
Adam Thompson
Thanks for the info. I thought that might be the issue, but I dont know enough about web dev. Is there a way to make a more robust page downloader as a browser plug-in that extracts what is displayed out of memory.
But I guess the easier way is to just screenshot the page like mentioned in OP.
Blake Russell
But you know what? It doesn't matter. grab the screens and upload them. fuck it. When people bitch about the archives show them the fuckery the kikes are pulling.
Most normies get hit with screenshots and it's enough. They don't do enough due diligence to get past their outrage. If they care enough about archives they will understand the kike's hiding SOMETHING.
Jack Cook
Guaranteed shitlibs will actually believe it. Soon we'll hear from the gov "Sorry goy I stole billions in taxes because some of it might go to the raycists."
Hunter Ramirez
Okay, that's an argument. But you can use a proxy site which uses GET or a translater like someone mentioned to circumvent their url block. There are so many. They'll never be able too block them all. Tested it here: archive.fo/CIjsz Should work better with other sites (not bing).
Asher Thompson
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Jackson Garcia
Unfortunately the translator can't grab the secure page. Keep digging for solutions though. Bound to find one until they plug the hole.
Hudson Reyes
About 2 weeks of penicillin.
Gavin Brooks
That same cap with zero archive or source has been posted literally 5+ times that I've personally seen over the last two months, each time pretending that it's new, and each time failing to provide an actual archive.
Luke Butler
If normal users can access it, so can an archiver. Hell, if you're too lazy to try and find what they're doing to block the archivers, you can just use your console's inspector to copy and paste the page's live DOM.
HTML can also be edited, live in the browser even. So complaining about jpgs in particular is a little silly.
Xavier Collins
This. I remember this thread. We already had it. Probably multiple times like you said.
We're talking about PNGs!
Don't bump this! I think this is just old news. (like months old) /thread
Isaiah Jackson
Which is why screens aren't considered valid. Having trouble keeping up? No one is complaining about jpgs in particular just that they are rather useless for providing legitimate evidence because of stated reasons.
Brody Edwards
Vice must really be dying if they're concerned enough to lie this hard to protect their clickbait ad revenue.
No, it triggers the fuck out of liberals, antifa, etc. It sounds cringy and they don't want to be associated with it, so that means we should use it. It's also just important to emphasize to people that alt-left = communists
Julian Butler
I've always maintained that archival sites should at least have the option to do the archival in-browser instead of on their own server, then it'd be impossible to stop an archive from happening.
Benjamin Howard
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Aiden Wright
WORDS DON'T HAVE MEANING UNLESS WE SAY THEY DO, GOYIM
Jaxson Price
The irony is that the same braincancer that gave us liberals also gave us Node.js, which can be used to circumvent their protection schemes if they do rely on scripting.
ITT: tech illiterates They can do nothing to stop archival.
Isaac Long
Vice has got that Murdoch money now. Suroosh Alvi is literally making videos about how he's a spiritual jihadist.
The only person worth a grain of salt there is Ben Anderson and i'm willing to bet he's a crypto of some sort.
Carson Fisher
I don't think the issue is a copy user. You can do that with web browsers themselves sine 6,000 years ago. The primary issue is non-repudiation. Sites like archive.is et al arguably have some degree of neutrality, and a reasonably well-proven track record of maintaining legit archives. You, my little user friend, don't.
Zachary Campbell
hoooo boy, the alt-left maymay is really booty bothering them.
Caleb Russell
it makes perfect sense tbh.
Ryan Price
All future infographics related to Vice should include -Original link -Google cache link -Archived cache, pre-editing -OP's screencap Rub it in thier faces every single time.
Levi Fisher
What if we actually do spoof a bunch of screencaps of Vice making them look terrible? Maybe even give them the ben garrison treatment. They would be falling over themselves to proove they didn't do it and they would not be able to immediately discredit it just because it is not archived. Im saying maybe we can force their hand or look bad/lose credibility.
Christopher Cruz
what happened to lets blow up
Angel Brown
Fuck it, start doing "game captures" of the websites and upload that shit as a webm.
Jason White
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Charles Richardson
Meme general reporting in for duty…. snapito.com Generates a link to an image TIFF, JPG, BMP, PNG, or PDF, etc. of the web page, which you can then archive as normal. Proof of successful grab from Bongland Vice tested and posted.
The beauty of snapito is you can download in many different formats, or even use the generated link in the normal archive service. The Holla Forums archiver web page I made is for more straight forward sites that can be bypassed using a proxy. It can be used for archiving normal pages too, if you just want the archive form open in a tab. Edit as needed.
Owen Wright
For mere screenshots, Nimbus capture is fine. This Snapito is useful because it creates an archive - after all, anybody can MS-Paint whatever into a mere screenshot.
Leo Jackson
True, there is no alt-left, only the Marxist left which has infested the universities for decades, there is nothing "alt" about it, it's just more Marxist than the emotional left or the centrist left.
Hunter Gonzalez
They want to call themselves journalists but don't want any of the responsibility.
Before nu-media you staked your reputation on every story you published. Because once it hit the presses there was no going back. "unnamed sources" and "35 sources close to" where unacceptable. Anonymous sources where a tool you used to get to someone who would GO ON THE RECORD.
Vice is strait up saying they wont stand behind what they publish. And using liberal mental gymnastics they are trying to pass it off as correct.
Jordan Bennett
You know we're fucked when the news is as reliable as some dumbass on halfchan.
Angel White
That makes it susceptible for manipulation by the client, making the entire archival service not trustable.
Owen Ross
Solution: archive site uses the end-user as a proxy, but the connection with the remote site is SSL.
Result: It's completely impossible to block, but maintains integrity.
