I've seen this enough for it to be a trend

I've seen this enough for it to be a trend.

Why do modern military shooters have to have fucking bows?

pls no bashing Survive either

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I blame the hunger games.

ranged weapon's a ranged weapon

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I was just about to say this. The second women discovered that there was a device that could launch a projectile without a loud bang, they just had to romanticize the hell out of it.

Hungergames.

But Jack used a basket hilt, not a claymore.

I believe you.

I blame rambo

Maybe it's because you're looking for it.

Because they're fucking cool?

I would also add easy to use. They would never use a crossbow.

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I'm sure there are more, but here are some examples.

That ain't right


I'm not even sure what's happening here. The one thing I am sure of is that this is an incredibly low poundage bow, considering her loose ass draw and the curve of the string.
It looks like they shopped the bow to be drawn.


They'd probably end up with a crossbow thumb.

Not true. After my fat female cousin saw all the hunger game movies, she borrowed an old re curve bow I had and tried it out. I didn't tell her it was a 60lb draw. After a few lazy shots, she tired out and bought a shitty chinese crossbow.

What the fuck are you talking about? A real bow takes years of training to shoot well and requires tons of physical strength. Women are literally better off with a gun.

Saw in an interview that by the third movie she didn't even practice archery anymore, or even fire arrows during filming. They added the arrows and stuff in during post. She did train quite a bit and use the real deal for the first one though.

I'm surprised she got a shot off at all. A friend of mine bought a 65 lbs bow. He wanted me to shoot it because he couldn't even draw it himself.


Figures. Archery is hard. And if you don't enjoy it, it's better to drop it before you hurt yourself.
I couldn't sit trough the entire movie, but a friend of mine who practices archery told me the way she shot a bow would take of her nose if it was a real one. (the bow that is)

Jennifer Lawrence is becoming slightly peculiar doesn't she?

Only one of those is a modern military shooter, and that's a bit iffy.

Wouldn't it just make it MORE ridiculous to find them in a futuristic setting?

If done right, what's bad about having a weapon that is entirely different to guns in your arsenal?

I think bows are becoming more prevalent because it's also easier to give them the proper physics instead of just making them behave like a gun.

How shitty?

I was going based off my dad's crossbow he had. That had some power to it. He stopped using it after he shot a compost bag and it hit a rock after going through. He said it went straight up into the air and he never found it afterwards. Which was probably a good thing, seeing he could probably kill a neighbor with a missed shot. Plus, the bows women would actually use would not be the ones that could have lethal force. They would probably pick a cheap one that they use for summer camps. They don't put much effort into these things.

Crossbows were popular weapons because they were much easier to use user. A proper longbow takes years to master if not decades. A crossbow can be taught within weeks at most, probably days.

Of course it's much harder to have a power fantasy with a crossbow since it's a lot less glamorous.

Well all the arrows landed roughly 5 feet in front of her, so yeah.

Because bullets can hit you from much further out but I guess it doesn't matter when maps are getting increasingly smaller.

Crossbows are also quicker, as they can constantly have the bowstring stretched and released at the press of a trigger.

Surely they're slower to fire again though? Obviously fatigue will set in for a longbow users faster but untill then it seems like he'd have the speed advantage. interestingly the same is true of loaders in a tank: a human is still faster than an autoloader in the short term.

Yeah well i probably wouldn't want to go into a gunfight, but that's why you have other weapons at your disposal. A bow is a weapon for special tasks, much like a Sniperrifle is.

What could a bow do that a gun couldn't?

No muzzle flash?

being able to make your own ammunition with a minimum of specialized tools, in a pinch

Pics related.


That's about the only thing I can think of, honestly, but aren't you usually given special ammo like explosive arrows and stuff that you couldn't usually make on your own?

Be silent? Also, it can have some special properties in a game, like the crysis bow that doesn't break your camo, or far cry bow that gives you double animal skin and can shoot fire and exploding ammo.

You can fish with a bow

Something about World War 4 and sticks and stones.

You could fish with a grenade launcher.

At that point, it really depends on the skill of both the longbowman and the crossbowman.

A soldier who wields his short crossbow tends to have a "hook" of some sort on his armor to help him draw the bowstring, while longer (and more powerful) ones have a built-in crank to assist reloading.

The longbowman has the speed advantage when it comes to the draw, but the advantage lies in having the crossbow already drawn.

So as a crossbowman, you either don't miss, or you miss and charge the fucker. Or you duck behind cover.

A longbowman has more control over range and draw speed and such, but a crossbowman has access to the first shot and surprise, with less strain on the body.

It's an interesting question.

And even then they still take quite a bit of strength to cock so women are still literally better off with a gun.

That's dumb

Fire at a very specific balistic arc you couldn't possibly pull off with a gun, for example.

Perhaps, but you could use a grenade launcher just as well, couldn't you?


Pic related. No such thing as overkill.

I was trying to make the argument in what a woman/teenage girl would think. A bow is grab arrow and pull string to them. A crossbow is put into position, pull string, load arrow, and put to shoulder for aiming. That's 2 actions to 4. They don't consider how hard aiming a bow is. Plus the force of the crossbow would scare them in the same way the recoil of a gun would.

Pfft… BAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA.

They really need to remove bows in a game with guns. Most of you don't have a single clue what you're on about and I've done archery since I was five. The physics that exist in the game using bows are usually wrong, by the way and arrows are terrible projectiles relative to bullets due to how heavily influenced they are by the wind. But please, tell me about all the specialist forces in the world using bows, LOL

What if you do the thing where there's one guy to load, and another to shoot?

then you'd shoot really fast.

That can't possibly be more efficient than the two guys just taking alternating shots themselves.

It probably would be since the one guy shooting could keep a better eye on what was going on and pick his targets better instead of both your shooters constantly looking down to fiddle with their weapons.

Yeah, you're right.

I'd rather use pic related.

They're tactical and all that shit

my guitar instructor was a door gunner on a huey in Vietnam, and he told me they used to fish with grenades all the time. They'd take a glass peanut butter jar, put a grenade in it and pull the pin (the glass would stop the spoon from triggering). then they'd drop the jar from about a hundred feet into a lake or pond, glass would shatter, grenade would sink and explode, and a shitload of dead fish would float up to be collected

Almost as easy as a gun.

Also, the real culprit is shit like LoTR and Skyrim. People apparently think being in a fantasy world with bow and arrows and mythical races are cool now.

Getting real sick of people constantly naming their archers shit like xXxLegolasxX. It's been that way for a long time but it's getting increasingly worse recently for some reason, even the xxxSephirothxxxx died off but this shit is still here.

My grandpa used to fish with dynamite. It's been made illegal now.

People don't even know who xXxDrizztxX even references anymore.

Obviously, its supposed to look graceful and elegant.

Good. It's wasteful as fuck.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Bows are for chumps.

If she loosed that arrow, she'd lose her finger.

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fuck you Konami
no one wanted this you fucking nippon shill
fuck off and die

I'm just glad Metal Gear is finally dead.

Meanwhile some guy with an MG42 killed over 2000 jew-servitors at Omaha Beach.

Gun > longbow.

Modern normalfag culture has a hardon for all sorts of medieval weapons and martial arts, but they still can't understand settings where the characters don't speak fluent american or have american values.


get fucked

I'm 99% sure they don't know this, but that shit doesn't work on projectiles with such a high sectional density. you can't effectively spin stabilize something shaped like an arrow.

That's why when tank shells started firing long thin projectiles made of heavy tungsten or depleted uranium, they started putting fins on the projectile, instead of sticking with basic rifling.

Even in British guns, which are still rifled because of their stubborn love of HESH rounds, the APFSDS rounds are even built with special slip-rings to keep them from being spun by the rifling - to improve stability and accuracy.


Amusingly, fucking Ninja Gaidan had special arrows which were just the projectiles from tank shells, which he'd lauch from a big ninja bow, and THAT is more realistically viable than spinny rocket arrows.

t. autismo

Who care, they're fun to use. Go play ARMA or something faggot.

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I went to boy scout camp, and they had a decent collection of basic 20-35 pound bows, which is about right for rowdy 12-17 year olds. And that was fun.

Went to another summer camp for a day or two, some kind of weird Christian retreat. Forget why, I wasn't enrolled, so I had free reign to do whatever I wanted. They too, had an archery range. But the bows there were all 5-10lb bows. The targets were, I shit you not, 10 feet away. I loose one shot, it hits the ground just in front of the target. I loose my next shot 45 degrees up into the air. It comes down perfectly in the bullseye, sticking out at a 45 degree angle. I give up.

I'm not 100% sure one of those things would break the skin if I shot someone.

You're extremely homosexual.

This.

They actually tried to ban crossbows because it alowed relatively untrained peasants to kill noblemen wearing armour.

It bothers me how OP the bow is compared to a gun in most games with them;

Yeah, bows are quieter, possibly even quieter than silenced guns, but that's not the same thing as silent.

You probably won't be getting arrows back unless you're firing field tips into hay bales or foam.

And bows, like knives, are considerably less lethal than guns per wound, based on hospital statistics. even pistol rounds are a hell of a lot more deadly than the kind of stabbing wound you'd get from a knife or broadhead arrow.

interestingly, blunt trauma is, in turn, much deadlier than guns. If you want a motherfucker dead, 100% sure, bash 'em with a hammer.

You also forgot to mention the fact that a longbowman would be shooting that longbow so often that he would develope a deformity.
Shooting a 100lbs+ bow does wonders with the human body.

Bows are cool. You're a fag if you disagree.

Why a hammer when you could pelt him from afar with the same if not more power?

nigga you ever try aiming one of those?

it's not for the casul of heart.

silenced guns are loud as shit, they're just quieter than unsilenced guns

Market research from Konami states the bow trend will be overshadowed by the Caveman Craze of the 2020s, which will usher in the popularity of the Shoulder Catapult.

The human body can be strange. Some people can die at the slightest touch, some people have survived a hammer to the head. Whether they survive to become a living vegetable is another question.
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bolt action silenced guns that shoot subsonic guns are still quiet as fuck, only reason why something like a silenced semi auto rifle chambered in something like 300 blackout makes noise is the sound of the action, not the firing

Given that "silenced" guns can still be as loud as a rock concert, that's not exactly hard.
Even the quietest special forces guns like the De Lisle carbine are still comparable in volume to standing next to a busy highway (~85dB).

a big 100lb bow and it's arrows are pretty noisy. I don't have any hard numbers, though.

Because modern shooters needs a "charge-up" weapon but the setting doesn't allow for charging laser blasters.

in comparison, though. i mean, when someone is shooting at you, you can zero in on that sound relatively quickly. it's a crack, the kind of sound that will really cut through any other sounds. whereas the thrum of bowstring is a "duller" sound, i don't know how to describe it, but it's the kind of sound that can be covered, and is hard to triangulate on

Speaking of Lindybeige, this video is pretty relevant to the thread.

loving rambo for as long as I was a kid, I never hated bows being a thing in video games since they're video games afterall. you can make up all sorts of shit to use. want to use a shovel as your main weapon? I'm sure there's a game for that.

Somehow, I'm not even surprised that when I first played the Neverwinter MMO for PS4, I saw at least 5 variations of each of those. Gets real weird since Drizzt is actually found in the game.

Back when bows were used the standard of medical science was pretty low.

Nowadays if somebody shoots you with a bow you are likely to survive. In the middle ages even a scratch could kill you thanks to no antibiotics.

Trying to kill someone with a bow is very hard.

Metro had pneumatic weapons that you would charge up. Sure, it wasn't after every shot but I doubt it would be difficult to adjust it to be that way.

There are legitimate advantages to a bow and arrow over a gun even in the modern era.


Does that mean use one in the race war? No. But for things like guerilla warfare or zombies they're fine, potentially even preferable.

Your assumption is wrong because hospital statistics don't account for the difficulty of shooting someone versus stabbing an aware victim.

Deep knife wounds have a far higher chance of killing, it's just they're less common due to a person's ability to deflect and obstruct an attacker at melee range.

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No they are not, there is always an audible "ting" when you let the string, and of course if the arrow hits the target or the ground that makes a sound too. It is quieter than a gun, sure but not silent.

Only if you are absolutely lucky or shoot it into soft soil. Even a little damage could fuck up the aerodynamics and make the arrow miss.

Only if it's from something other than wood, like steel, and then again, you'll fuck up the arrowhead sooner or later and then you're fucked. Besides, it could only be used as an extremely short range stabbing weapon, whereas cutting weapons like knife would be massively more useful.

And i can make adventages for guns too.
And so on and so forth.

Why not? Bows are fun. Why would you want less weapon options in a video game?

I would agree that hitting someone (something ) with a bow and arrow is hard. In terms of effect on the target I think you are giving the arrow too little credit.
Hunters often take deer and moose with one shot from a bow (admittedly at close range). An arrow in the lungs/neck is bad news.
More to the point, in a combat scenario an arrow wound is as good as a kill since a guy with an arrow in his gut isn't going to be doing much fighting.

The only advantage I can think of is that it is very silent. That doesn't mean much though as subsonic rounds and silencers exist.

Maybe it just looks cool to some people, the same way weebs think katanas are cool/practical.

Guns work by explosions. Explosions are LOUD.
Even the most silenced gun is still loud. This ain't holywood.

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Much of the noise from a gun comes from the bullet's sonic boom

watch the video maybe? The only sound that gun made was the round hitting concrete and the slide clicking into position.

On that same logic, cars run on explosions that are orders of magnitude bigger than the ones that handguns produce yet the loudest noice a car traveling at 90mph makes is from the tires rolling and the body cutting through the air

t. someone who doesn't know what subsonic means

In most cases, the loudest thing about a suppressed weapon is the sound of the bullet smacking into something downrange. That's less of a problem when hitting a soft, cushioned target like a body

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first round supersonic 2nd and 3rd subsonic.

hypothesis confirmed

the only explanation is that they're tacticool. they're functionally inferior in every single way (aside from noise produced). they're like the katana, they're just there and they will always be there.

In most cases you are right but there are exceptions

also

Shit, I can't even remember what guns were available in Farcry 3 because the bow was all I ever used.

not really, the bow is still a good weapon by the sheer grace of it being near-silent in the range it's capable of operating.

the first stage of conflict is target acquisition, deprive your enemy of this at every possible turn.
there is no honor in death and failure.

cars have mufflers, retard. take the muffler off even a four-cylinder honda and simple acceleration becomes unbelievably loud

not to mention that when a car is at 90 mph it's generally going to be in a high gear, meaning the engine is actually doing less work

tl;dr learn even the simplest basics about combustion engines before you try to use it as an argument

She realized that can avoid learning to do shit like old actors would, IIRC Orlando bloom had to learn how to do the legolas stunts in LOTR and Stallone had to learn how to throw a knife and she will still get mad cash none the less…..
Producer comply with it by doing all in post.


One day "actors" will just stand still and the guy in post will make them do the movie

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