Is Trump a fascist? Please have real arguments. I think so. It seems like many of you don't think so

Is Trump a fascist? Please have real arguments. I think so. It seems like many of you don't think so.

Here are some writings by Trotsky on the subject
marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p5

Here is Umberto Ecos definition

fascism. Eleven of the fourteen properties are as follows:

"The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
"The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
"The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
"Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
"Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
"Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
"Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
"Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
"Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
"Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
"Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
"Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."
"Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

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Fascism has become a dumb buzzword that is used to obfuscate intelligent political discussion on either side.

yes he is fascism is the merger of state and corporations and trump represents the worst of capitalism

I don't think so, but the environment he's creating will easily lead to fascism

I can see Trump stumbling and faltering in office. He probably doesn't even want to be president. If the left cannot mobilise an even worse far right figure will arise.

This is true but by this logic we shouldnt talk about socialism either. Why we should concern ourselves with what liberals write on their facebook? It's still a real phenomena

if i see that fucking umberto eco article within the context of trump i'll fucking combust

w-why comrade?

American Fascism was always going to take a different form from European Facism.

But in economic terms, probably closer to fascism than anything we've had in decades.


You can fairly call this the start of American Fascism if you want, however there's significant differences from historical Fascist regimes.

the "is trump a fascist?" question is always greeted with that article no matter where it's asked, and the debate is always cyclical and no insight is ever given aside from people pointing to eco and stroking their chins

I seriously doubt Trump will achieve any of these. his supporters are in for a rude awakening

Say something different about fascism then

None of this sounds bad, especially for American workers.

Does it matter?

In the sense of Gentile no, but then again neither was Franco, Hitler, the Belgian Rex etc. Fascism really is Authoritarian National Syndicalism which has never really been fully applied, not even in Fascist Italy.

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If this is fascism, I fucking want.

authoritarian right-wing demagoguery is not the same thing as fascism, even if they are superficially similar

you would need more chaos for a fascist party to have a shot in the USA

OP is a liberal faggot who does not read theory

marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p5

Dog, we got fucking told then, lmao

fascism is being racist and sexist, so yes

Stop trying to analyze trump with traditional political definitions, he makes much more sense as a new leading actor in The Spectacle.

Tbh you are pretty much right, however, that is not an argument

A degenerated working class being lead by the business class is not 'leftists' even if they do get some short-term victories. It's dangerous to think otherwise tbh.

trump is fully "post-modern" and unassailable by criticism, his handlers know this and they executed it very well. call him racist, sexist bigoted tyrant and he just smiles smugly while half his followers say "yeah we hate niggers and women!" and the other half claim "no we're peaceful working class folks!".

this is pretty appealing tbh

interested in hearing more people talk about this one plz

Underrated post

is this an irony?