Charlottesville is an example of why the mass movement meme won't work

This. You start talking Hitler or displaying swastikas and otherwise sympathetic normies' brains shut off.

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All mass-movements will lead to this, lrn2leaderless resistance

How new are you? No one who has been here for more than a week… or even looked at more than three threads could fail to understand that the reason the mass media are all in lock step is because they are all run by Jews and wannabe Jews. Seeing the MSM universally condemn a White nationalist event is about as unusual or noteworthy as noticing that during a race riot, Blacks attack lone Whites or noticing that African migrants like raping White women.

Seriously, if you think it's at all strange that the mass media all uses the same words to describe White people unashamed of their race, you haven't been paying attention.

Agreed.

The target audience has always been gen Z. What they think is all that matters. The others are irrelevant noise.

Gen Z has three choices nowadays: the freakshow (left), cucking for freakshow (conservatives), and the right. Almost all of them (80%) are choosing the right. The lefts narrative is performing so poorly that 75% of their side was from a local church because they couldn't come up with the numbers (in an antifag stronghold).

If you want a meaningful rally then host it on private property, in a red state with private security guards. An event (a BBQ perhaps) that men and women can attend. Remind the newfags what they're fighting for by introducing them to some IRL women.

Stop being pawns in their eceleb ego trip.

Maybe it failed because they went to an 80% Democrat town to protest the removal of a statue that no one living there wanted to keep. Just sayin, but maybe they would have been more successful if they had gone somewhere where the people and authorities were at least marginally sympathetic to their stated goals.

even if there was a real 0% kosher movement/event, all the kikes would have to do is drive a car into counter protestors and say EBIL NAZI's Strike again PLZ gib

This. Events meant to establish solidarity among whites, opportunities for whites to socialize, have fun, relax a bit in mutual company, make friends. That's what builds actual communities.

More evidence of this: NSM88 was there, complete with their banner and flag. How much press did THEY get, compared to Dicky and Damigo? I mean, Spencer and Nathan are only IMPLICIT Nazis, but the actual fucking Nazis don't merit any press?

What the fuck is wrong with the National Socialist Movement and Jeff Shoep you cuckold?

It doesn't matter, a right wing generation means nothing. We've had plenty since things started going south and they've done nothing. a swing to the left or right is a part of why democracy is perfect for keeping the real ideologies down, it makes sure no proper change is facilitated.

YOU are a fucking moron. Gas yourself. Then read this.

The point is that NSM88 is legit, and the legit groups did not get press. Dick got press. Damigo got press. Neither is what anyone would consider "hard core." This points to the press psyop and the fact that a possible jew kessler filed the paperwork and that Spencer was the first to push the event further points to it.

If it weren't a psyop, then the actual scary guys, the legit guys, would be getting press, and not the controlled guys.

Wasn't Heimbach there too? I didn't look at the roster.

Heimbach was there. From what I heard, TWP and NSM were admirable in keeping their people safe and in not fucking around streaming and podcasting through the shit.

I think the best strategy is to make the left increasingly paranoid and crazy, make them jump at shadows and trigger-happy until they end up hurting so many innocents we get a reaction. This is time for old fashioned trolling, stuff like the WP hand sign is the kind of thing we need, the retards doing nazi salutes are only validating the left because that's not subtle at all.

Ok I think I completely misunderstood your post so I'll retract my insult (I thought you were implying the NSM were CIAniggers, my apologies). Yeah, the fact that the MSM is painting Richard Spencer, out of all the possible choices, as some sort of final boss of the nazis in america is so retarded- especially considering the fact he is ok with trannies and "admires how israel works as a jewish ethnostate". Part of me doesn't even understand why they are doing this- you would think that if anything the media would chery-pick a few meth-addicted skinheads form the crowd and try and claim he's a member of the evil TRS street-gang. The average normie isn't capable of differentiating milk-toast identitarians from white nationalists- but they sure as hell can see that Dickie Spencer is a colossal faggot few can take seriously- unlike National Socialists from the 40's, the NSM, or even the Skinheads.

Nothing destroy's the jew world order more than talking care of your own family–preventing dependence on the state.

and it gives those antifag idiots nothing to do. Good luck to the idiots pulling that nonsense on private property. Lets face it, they can march up and down every street in the US 24/7 for a year and people still wont care.

Rallies have served their purpose and its time to move on to community building. Children and a normal life is something those other groups can't offer young white kids.

Previous gens are cucked beyond belief and are a major reason we're in this mess.

Great, we're on the same page now.
I am starting to think that the constant shilling that anything WN or NS 1.0 that meets IRL is "full of feds" is designed to keep anons from investigating and joining the legit orgs. Granted the oathcucks and militias ARE full of feds, but I'm beginning to think many of the old guard orgs that actually have principles other than muh constitution are less infested than the 2.0 groups. I exchanged emails with NSM a while back alerted them to a false flagger using their name and logo and they all seemed very down to earth.
Update your pic, they've got a rune instead of the swastika now.

The ironmarch guys are correct about most people being lemmings. However, they don't understand the implications. They think that it means you shouldn't bother trying to reach out to anyone at all. They don't understand that it simply means that not everyone will come to your side, but you still need to try to get as many people as you can.

Cville didn't fail because it was a "mass movement". It failed because
1) it had no real goal (the whole "save the statue" thing was totally lost upon everyone)
2) the organizers trusted the police 100% to take care of everything and protect them
3) they had no backup plans
4) they all ran away and burried their heads in their phones on twitter leaving everyone there in the dark instead of actually organizing and leading them when they needed leadership the most

The biggest problem was naivety. Assuming they weren't CIA niggers, of course.

It's not going to work. I love all of the NatSoc symbology and history and Hitler himself, but there's no fucking way you're going to make the swastika a respectable symbol again.

The only solution is to rebrand, or at least drop the obviously overt Nazi symbols. Besides, everyone here is 1000% more extreme than the real NSDAP from the 1930s-40s. They didn't even want to gas the jews. I think the rebranding can be done by adopting the stance that, "No, we are not Nazis. We are much worse."

I think the author's point was that an organization that swoops in to offer the "lemming's" comforts and securities once gone will secure their place as a government/authority. It seems as if the author is saying that the state can still offer the bread and circus now and that after later events that destabilize the current system and it's structures will allow a different ruling body to take over.

tl;dr: the author believes in accelerationism.

I've always mocked those who believed in accelerationist thinking, but lately I'm starting to change my mind.

After seeing the reaction to this minor incident I feel as if everything is hopeless. People around us are too stupid and complacent to save their race from extermination. I fear that the eradication of our race, our history, and our culture is inevitable under a flood of media lies.

All hope is lost

This. "Nazi" is a brand beyond recovery. 70 years of movies and propaganda have defined it as the ultimate evil, and that is the reality for most people. You're not going to sell a food product with a pic of a turd, because THAT association is obvious to you and everyone. Hitler and swastika are the turd to most people. It's just a non-starter.

There's your problem.

let me guess the alt-kike is a better 'alt-ernative' ?

Very true. That's what concerns me. We do not know when the System will fail. Conceivably, the Jews could keep it going for generations but it might fall tomorrow. If the latter happened, we would lose because we simply have no organization capable of providing for the lemmings. At least not yet. I envy Golden Dawn. They have a great thing going there.

But in any event, you're correct in your analysis. I think that the solution is to hold off on taking a hammer to the rotting structure until we get our own Golden Dawn on its feet here.

I'd use different language, but I suppose it would look like a turd to the average CBS lemming. I think a better example is Satan. The (((MSM))) has created a religion of self hate and the principle demon in a religion of self hate would be Hitler.

The only solution (as it was with gg) is not to even fucking care when they say it.
Cool, I don't give a shit.
The solution isn't
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Exactly this.

I'm afraid we won't have the time. The rotting structure is to the advantage of both sides of this fight. The every day it remains (((they))) become more entrenched and by that virtue more powerful when the shit does fall apart. It is a tough call but it is almost time to unleash the Toms. But not quite yet

Perhaps the only way for a Golden Dawn-type organization to form in America is if the country becomes more Weimerica. I agree that it shouldn't happen to fast— it should also not take too long lest we go down the path of the frog in a slowly heated pot of water analogy. Timing is key.

Or better yet, you can turn it back on them and go on the offensive.
Denial puts you on the defensive
Acceptance puts you on the defensive because now you must accept their label and argue for a label (((they))) assigned you.

But you can go on the offensive.
You're only saying that because I'm White. Anti-Nazi is a code word for anti-White.
Followed by something akin to;
When Blacks organize for their racial interests the establishment calls it civil rights. When Mestzos organize for their racial interests, the establishment calls it civil rights. But when Whites organize for our interests, the establishment calls us Nazis. Anti-Nazi is a code word for anti-White.

Just point out the RACIAL double standards and speak to your audience, not your provocateur. Now you're on the offensive. Label the anti-White as such and hammer it home over and over and over again. Say "anti-White" at least 20 times so that it sticks in the heads of everyone listening.

That is how to take a defensive position and go on the offensive.

>The every day it remains (((they))) become more entrenched and by that virtue more powerful when the shit does fall apart.
You are right. The longer (((they))) remain in power, the further their replacement of our people. But if we took the hammer to the structure now, we'd leave a power vacuum that we cannot fill and they can. If it happened tomorrow, my bets would all be on a US military dictatorship and that is not good because no one does "respectable conservatism" like the military.
The Jews would just be able to start over again except this time America would already be riddled with Blacks, Mestizos, and Asians. I'd hold off for a few years at the least if anyone reading this had some targets in mind.

Indeed. Timing is everything. Although it is difficult to imagine America getting even more degenerate than it already is, I'm sure the Jews have plenty of "wonderful" ideas for us. Pedophiles are still "oppressed" and not represented in cinema and the military. Hmm. They'll need to get transgenTards into the army for sure (that might be a blessing for us when the time comes…)
What else… ah yes, self mutilation could become a forced trend. I mean, besides the whole transgenTard thing.

Jews are so creative.

Keep your powder dry and save up your rope. The time of the final happening is approaching.

Yeah, it is, actually, which is why it was co-opted and ruined, while Nazi LARPing is encouraged.

If any one of us gets our hands on a megaphone at a rally like this, you'd better have the mantra memorized.

I love this. It subverts the "we're not nazis" cucking that they expect from us.

I think the rebranding needs to come from a position that normies can support. A tenable political position. Dump the old Nazi symbolism and most of the historical White Pride symbolism. We need new symbols, American Symbols. We also need a system to bring in and invite normal people into our fold that won't cost them their jobs and friends if they speak openly about it. We live in a democracy, if you can't speak openly about your position then your position is untenable without a hell of a lot of push. Ethno-nationalism is great as a long term goal, but untenable politically for now. Civic nationalism brings way more people to the right, allows minorities a place and lets those minorities become useful pawns to shut down the left even further. We can't go from a left leaning country under Obama to a far right country in a single bound. You have to crawl [Trump], walk [Civic nationalism], then run….

It won't happen without sacrifice of our ideals.

With a controlled media, if your movement is in any way pro-white, you will not have a social stigma free movement. IF you do, the ideals have been watered down to the point where you might as well be a civic nationalist.

That is the problem, modern democracy is designed to keep ZOG as the dominant power structure, where the media(extension of ZOG) controls public opinion.

No shit, but what makes it untenable? ZOG, ZOG is the dominant power structure, they control all media, and are viewed as an authority by the people, and they DO NOT like us.

It will always be if we abide by the rules put in place to opress us. They have learned something from Hitler, and they won't let it happen legitimately again.

AH, I see, you're just shitposting. If you think like this you may as well abstain, because change will never come.

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Oh you mean like the alt kike? you fucking cuck

NOT GIVING A FUCK WHEN PEOPLE CALL YOU A NAZI DISARMS THE ENEMY

We continue to normalize. National Socialism is the only ideology that has EVER had a decent shot at standing up against the kike. National Socialism is whiteness.
Sieg heil you fucking cucked faggots.

The FCC literally is so poor they rely on hotpockets to monitor ham bands. Outside of them its the wild west. Get into RF communications. The anons in the carolina thread made a great point of that.

If you want to turn NatSoc into a positive, help out in your community, reach out to the poor, addicted, homeless, and downtrodden. Start charities. Help little old ladies across the street. Start businesses and hire whites. Start free opiod addiction clinics or charity clinics for whites who cannot afford healthcare. Start banks and give interest free home loans to white couples which can be paid off with 4+ babies. The optics will then be ebil natzis helping their community and leftists assaulting them and societies most vulnerable. Everyone who gets helped back on their feet by the NatSocs will become a loyal soldier to the cause. Build positive social capital, help people, be compassionate to whites.

samhsa.gov/grants/block-grants

Literally impossible, no matter what kind of "branding" you do you'll still be a nazi to power structures and still get fired.

Well in terms of the image above your suggestion is making our own "system" to displace The System. The problem with this approach is that The System has such a vast amount of resources. Institutions take colossal amount of manpower, capital and human resources and most importantly time, and we all know that we are running out of time fast. Revolution overall would need far less manpower than starting from scratch.

You are deluded if you think marching around screaming "Nigger, Nigger Nigger" will accomplish anything. Nearly half the population is rendered useless by you, and half of what remains will never accept it. That is just reality. A middle ground must be found if this country is to secure itself on the 'right' side of history. Start at CN and then move to EN.

WRONG
At first they had it controlled. But then they made a massive misstep. The news in England, and in France, and in Germany, and other countries, have painted the US as essentially full of white supremacists. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW VALUABLE THIS IS?!

Just keep pushing this idea. This will cause people in England, in France, in Germany, to be emboldened.

It's incredible. They're supposed to be masters of propaganda, but wow did they just create a huge opportunity for international cooperation!

THEY MADE A HUGE PROPAGANDA MISTAKE
Again, how is it possible they're such christfucks we'll never know, but God damn SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY!'

""I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." -Voltaire

Make my enemies ridiculous, oh Kek!

We must organize the same way the left does. Leftists only hire leftists and push out any wrongthinkers. We need to to the same. Push lefties out of every institution and position that we find them in. That is how they took them over, we must do the same. In schools, at work, in social clubs, reject leftists at every turn. Convince others to do the same. It is a normalized an expected practice on the left, but not on the right

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Oh you idiot. You are truly so fucking stupid it's unbelievable. That's not what I'm saying at all, and you seem to have this strange false dichotomy in your head

we don't need to redpill normalfags, we need to redpill disgruntled mensch, the normalfags will never be on our side, they're zogbots, they're as good as dead. dont you fucking get it? they work AGAINST the white race. they will be worthless after the collapse

Good insight, although a bit of a stretch I see no reason why it can't be memed.

We don't have time for a long march, maybe if we were born when our parents were it could have worked.

Half the population is rendered useless by being nonwhite and/or race traitors in the first place, fuck right off

Look at the videos in Charlottesville. The 500 Alt-fags that showed up were all chanting this kind of shit. IT IS BAD OPTICS. Nothing was gained by this, nothing.The average person was alienated by it. Only 500 showed up, which should tell you something about how popular the idea of EN really is. There won't be a collapse. Literally not gonna happen. If your whole political ideology is based on there being one, then you are retarded.

At first.
But then the CIA fucked it up. Well, their allies did. In England, France, Germany, ordinary people now believe that America is full of white supremacists. This is incredible, because now they will begin protests of their own, being emboldened. They will rally in support of their American brothers.

Truly, amazing times. How is it possible for them to fuck this up so bad? But thankfully they did!!!

Good discussions here.
Something mentioned above a few times was the idea that one needs to separate the negative connotations and symbols the actual message itself. The discussion pertains to how the social sphere of a society should be conducted in regard to the racial question.
Often, two major hurdles must be jumped:
1. The idea that Globalization is a good thing at this particular point in time. Does one really wish to be in a world where absolutely everything is for sale? Capital jumping from one country to the next does so in large chucks of capital for various purposes, all with the intention of profit maximization; forget local industry.
2. Why is one so confident about societal cohesion at the political, social, and economic levels? Why wouldn't a multitude of groups from different backgrounds try and secure as many resources as possible for their respective kin groups and greater community?

4-5000 people showed up you PR Cuck faggot

I disagree, USA is very decentralized, and there won't be a yuge DOTR any time soon realistically, as the demographics change the financial collapse like they have in Illinois, soon California, etc. will spread across the country and The System will lose resources fast. It is already doing A LOT to stay a float, you overestimate its capacity and the potential for a Hezbollah, Golden Dawn strategy. And if you focus on people already neglected by the system the amount of resources they have is irrelevant, you are filling a void and building social capital from it.

ignore PR cuck orders
filter PR cuck posters

Nope….500 from the right….that's it

How's that working out for the Afrikaners?

You're a thrice damned fool if you think that its possible to do a long march when the country won't even be majority white in forty years.

This. If the "evil Nazis" are marching in the streets, normies get scared. Red-pilling through memes has proven to work, and the left can't compete. Also the subtle red-pilling of friends has worked for me. If we all red-pill those we know, it will spread to those they know. It is hard to reverse the indoctrination of public schools/hollywood/media, but it is worth it.

we don't need to have a mass movement, we need to focus on being a kind of hidden hand that manipulates events

Shit format for an Holla Forums thread, newfag, but the pic is decent enough for me to not sage this outright

everything is bad optics, the media is out enemy. Nothing we do short of being basic bitch conservatives is bad optics. Plus we had thousands marching, escalating the situation, bringing war closer. A victory in my book.

Nothing is gained by civic nationalism. Capitulation in the face of opposition gets us nothing.

The reality is that that would be the only way to get real change. You can't pick and chose your reality, and the reality is that no power will be gained by mass movements or "legitimate" means. You can't win a revolution with ballots and speeches unless you give up what you started for in the pursuit of power, at that point is it even a revolution?

No? The first night we had 600 with torches, the rally had thousands.

You can't expect victory by doing that, shitposting on the internet got us a good base, and a bunch of civnats spewing
Now is the time for action. They are tearing down statues and burning flags, they control every institution.

*our

Fuck off, shill.

The mods getting rid of that memo sticky was the dumbest thing they ever did. It explains everything that is happening right now.

Agreed, But when the shit hits the fan, and it will, the more people on our side the better. We are on the same side brother, but if a few initiate "action" They will be squashed, and hurt the movement further. The time is not now, but soon.

The Nationalist Socialist Party wasn't built in a day, nor was Hitler Fuhrer in a day. We need to act quick, but we need to act surely and rationally. The user is right that screaming "nigger", as fun as it may be, will draw even the most decent whites away at this point in time. Normalfaggots have not been accustomed to handling truth that hasn't been censored and then handed out.

For example, we have to have discussion about race with normal fags. The difference between the races is a biological fact, and a fact suppressed by the (((elites))) and leftist (((professors))), and for those within the field, it is only a matter of good debate skills and convincing to get the average joe to understand that race isn't "skin deep" or "we're the same race, the human race" bullshit. If this doesn't work, just meme niggers being niggers; use World Star videos and add commentary or some shit and send it to your non-redpilled friends. The more nigging niggers a non-nigger sees, the more he hates niggers because that's the truth about niggers.

However spilling the spaghetti and being obnoxious "racists" will make us no better, or indistinguishable from kike Fed honeypots like the KKK. Redpilling you friends, your kids, and your classmates is our biggest responsibilty; through memes, through debate, and through ridicule, the truth will get out, and retarded leftist arguments refuted. We don't have the numbers to go out, and we need both a Freikorp-esque militia, or reaching out to vets and/or current military and a separate party that reaches out to the voting base through community work etc as outlined by we can't make banks, but at least we can bake cookies for our neighbours with pamphlets.

How are we going to get a revolution when not even 5% of the population support us. We need to redpill Gen Z, and we need capable leaders to lead these kids. We can't just hasten and act spontaneously. Haste makes waste; in the meantime, I suggest anons go out and get /fit/, get armed, and find a woman.

fuck off, alt-kike

I agree, we must not stop trying to reach them, but you must not put your faith in them, and you must not capitulate in order to appeal to a wider audience, and must not spin your wheels attempting to win over those who will never convert. Action must be taken at some point, and that point is coming very soon.
I agree

Revolutions have been successful with less, and no revolution ever had the majority of the population fight. Normalfags conform to the power structure, and most will not deviate unless the power structure also does.

Hitler was operating in a country that was still overwhelmingly German and still didn't actually win the election.

Wow rabbi you are right we have NEVER been called nazis before lets completely neuter our movement and give up ok fellow goys?

WHY DOES ANYONE THINK THIS WAS A LOSS??
All this media attention ever ends up doing is bolstering our numbers by edgy teens getting excited and going to these edgy places where nazis drive through crowds of faggots. If they ever start to make legitimate moves against us online they lose since normalfags are all guilty of wrongthink and dont want it exposed. Even if they somehow succeded at censoring us conventionally we already have an entirely different language unique to us that we can use and are smart enough to translate our message through any wordfilter. The fundamental truth is we are a movement based off the truth. You cant change that.

-NEVER LIE
-NEVER COMPROMISE THE TRUTH
-NEVER CUCK OUT
-BE READY TO LOSE EVERYTHING
-RIP AND TEAR

they were seen as nazis because there were people there waving nazi flags and wearing brown shirt uniforms. if you don't want your group to be seen as nazis don't let people in your group wave nazi flags and wear nazi uniforms.

lol, reminder that group has been disbanded since the election lost and it was confirmed kikes funded them.

Yep. You gotta play the game.

We need to rebrand NatSoc. Nobody likes Nazis. America is not 1920s Germany, we are 60% white, Germany wasn't. Germans weren't filled with white guilt, just shame over World War One. Hitler took power with the help of nationalism. We need a National Socialist American Worker's Party, but not called that. We have the ideals of NatSoc, but tailored to Americans. We use American symbols and base our roots in American nationalism. The swastika will just alienate people, it is also a foreign symbol. We need an American symbol. Don't talk about Hitler, just spread his ideals. We can spread the core tenants of NatSoc, through a different name (Golden Dawn weren't the Greek Nazi Party, they were original). Rockwell understood a lot of this. He died too early to really gain traction.

Point is, we are National Socialists. We call ourselves that, but in order to get more people on our side, we must call ourselves something different and stop fetishizing foreign symbols like a swastika, stop using German terms like Volkisch (anglify it), and keep NatSoc politics, while adjusting it to an American audience, drawing upon American nationalism. The glory of the white man and the history of US nationalism are intertwined. Show our greatness through our propaganda. People associate "Nazi" with the ultimate evil but can't really explain NatSoc ideology other than "Jews LMAO" So if we reorganize, new name, different symbols and style, same beliefs: they'll be more willing to listen. They'll join us.

this

looks like the jews got you with their demotivation. remember, no matter what the ods are, we push through, and never give up

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You're responding to a shill

You don't get it, >>>/trs/
Reach out if you want, get it thrown back in your face. The people you want to reach are the people who are going to be on your side during RaHoWa.

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It's not that a lot of countries have been bombed for no reason due to nazi violence. Take Rotterdam in the Netherlands for example, bombed for no reason. Also the way the gestappo enforced nazi ideology is an extreme police state. Nazis would've loved social media since they could track everyone who would be against them and have the persons arrested for that.

Nazism had nothing to do with white pride, more to do with German pride. In that time period white pride was the status quo, to put a jungle bunny on par with a white was blasphemous. How the times have changed.

By the way the NSDAP made sure it could work by providing for the brown shirts. Most of the brown shirts didn't have much in regards to property or a stable job in that time period.

The only way you can get a left leaning country to go full right is when an economic crash happens. It is there in the future, the dow jones has doubled since 2008, it's current position is waaaay too high. Derivatives market is also going to implode given a few years time.

I would've expected stuff to detoriate somewhere in this or previous year but the EU is postponing their problems rather than deal with them, which will just lead to a bigger crash. USA is having Trump and his policies would naturally boost markets and prevent a crash, but it's mostly short term focussed. The entire financial system with a fiat currency based on interest and constant lending is simply unsustainable for the long term.

why are people replying to this fucking shill with his anti-hitler meme?

Trump did it right.

Spencer and TRS botched it.

Stop spreading nigger memes.

Ok hold up so mass movements don't work. K. And your plan is then to what? You gonna seel teem six ZOG with a small elite force of teen age taliban convert mine craft players? You gonna charge your local PD with a sten gun like James Mason said to do while on contract with the FBI? Seriously you brown faggots have your own little shitty forum. Go back.

le cuckservative man did it right

of we bring the fight IRL we'll lose, we won the election on the internet and we need to fight to secure it

Re: Lemmings, I think that in the long term things like UtR will only organize us, while TWP and the like have a better chance at actually working in public. Ideologically we mostly just offer fulfillment and a future, which is not something the

Heiled mein Fuhrer.

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Also the reason they pick Spencer is because just that, he is not a meth-addicted skinhead. He is a well dressed, well spoken white man, and he even supports some kosher things. He is their metaphor for the average white man. He is a pretty normal from outside appearances, but yet he is still and evil nazi. If they can get the population to believe that, then they will be willing to believe that any white man is a nazi. This in turn drives white hate.

Yes the media can demean its enemies by picking someone with similar beliefs who is a piece of shit and make the movement less than palatable, but their goal isn't to kill Nazism, there goal is white genocide. Remove nazis and you still have to convince whites to remove themselves. Instead you make it compatible to be white and kill 2 birds with one stone.

This Spencer is CIA meme is pretty dumb imo. It seems more like cognitive dissonance over the intelligence of the leftist opposition. Does Spencer find himself in opposition to the media with bad PR, yes. But so has every other WN group ever. It doesn't make him CIA because the media wins sometimes. This idealistic belief that there will be some god king savior that will never make a misstep or that those from the past were these kings, even though they failed, is ridiculous and only results in nihilism because no one will ever be perfect enough.

Instead you make it *contemptible* to be white and kill 2 birds with one stone.

battle hymn of the republic as opposed to the Horst Wessel song

youtube.com/watch?v=MUvjAsL1K4o

youtube.com/watch?v=MD6oDnm43HA&t=76s

go join the oathcucks if you want muh PR and 'look, we help people' nonsense

faggy
terrible speaker who just isn't a meanie-head
but as controlled op, his early media attention makes much more sense than just some guy with a website and a ponzi scheme

literally the only good thing about him

Not one good thing to you… 3 great things for the media to compare him to the average white man. And then say he represents all white men.

I do not know how much more clear I can make it. Imagine the media trying to make the public hate the average man, and you are trying to push a guy in a clown outfit to fill that role. The media doesn't want you dumb clown leader to be their patsy. They need someone who looks normal. Spencer is that normal guy. Let the media shit on him and create that hate. Soon all white men will be "nazis" to the left more so than they are now and the centrist and cuckservatives will wake up or cuck further.

the average straight white man does not relate to dickie in any way, he sounds like a fag and his shit's all retarded
they did
EXACTLY OUR POINT

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Yes because the average white man is so overtly decked out in nazi regalia…. Spencer is definitely an average east coast white male, but you retards never get it. You want it all to be about you. It has nothing to do with making your moment look faggy. It has all to do with making all white men look like nazis.

If you dont think Spencer is a nazi because he doesn't fit your purist ideal of a nazi, who gives a shit. The media says he is so 90+% of the population thinks he is. And if he is a nazi, then so is the guy on the bus riding to work. So is the well dress guy in the car next to you at the stop light. So is the man in the business suit walking down the street.

The media doesnt give a fuck what you think. You can pitch your clown to them all you want. Follow anyone you want. It doesn't matter because they media doesn't care who you follow. They will find someone who looks enough like you and every other white man an sic the crowd on him and say this is what Nazis look like.

This. and keep pushing the narrative. In the footage I saw there was a shield with RWDS on it. Don't ever think that what you say and do here is not relevant, all of it is relevant. The current young and willing to fight generation on our side, that's a massive advantage, don't waste it.

This

what the fuck ever. I haven't suggest we try ANP-clone. But I'll self police the traitors and the ones spouting nonsense (meaningless fluff like spencer counts for that) before I ever tone-police for the enemy.

I'm saying spencer's a fag and no one who isn't a soft fatherless effeminate la-la fruit knows it.
absolutely disgusting

RWDS is one hell of a meme

just don't mix the women and politics

I think it causes a disconnect with the normies. The more cognitive dissonance you can cause, the better. If the media says they are evil Nazis but normies see that they look just like their son and his friends, that will cause a cognitive disconnect between the image and reality. The more we can muddy the waters like this, the better it is for us. It's the same idea behind anime images and pepe.

Adopting a zero fucks given attitude is the way forward. In fact you should incorporate it into your entire life and you will see things in general improve for you. Never let yourself be put on the defensive in any situation, it's a sure way to lose. Also agree and amplify their bullshit, "You are a nazi who wants to kill 6 million jews!" "haha sure thing kiddo, let's make it 66 million!"

I don't think that will work out well for most anons here. I support the idea of going all-out meme-wise, though. You can already see our ideology slipping into normalfag memes.
Take a look at a mainstream meme 'generator' like iFunny or twitter. You will often find memes that go into politically incorrect territory. We already did this with Trump although, it did lead to kekistan faggots. Meme magic isn't 'magic' persay, but it can easily change the flow of battle in our favor if we get normalfags to laugh at memes with even a bit of truth to them (i.e. jet fuel cant melt steel beams, etc)

Go read MPC.

Just cleaning out the faggots (RINO).

This is a load of cherrypicking shit. MAGA rallies didn't make Trump do this or that. Trump did those things because he himself wanted it done. Not to mention all of the negative things Trump has done.

Wheres the proof in this? If anything, the unmitigayd attacks by ANTIFA and the apathy from the police has pushed more people towards our side.
In which the FBI will find no incriminating evidence, unless evidence is planted on them
People are still talking about it though. What is he referring to when he says 'derailed'? The media? I don't remember the media covering the Google story that much (or at least, accurately) while it was new.
This would have happened anyway. Again, this brings more people to our side.
Disappointing, but again, it brings more people to our side. People will start asking questions.
Lmao, no it absolutely did not. The marchers did not do anything wrong. Antifa was the culprit behind any and all wrongdoing at that protest.
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the only "rebranding" i would be ok with is the use a different type of swastika (germany should use the same one though)

Party of Peace

So there are two options:

1. Become "respectable" and try to get normal people
2. Become "radical" and try to get commie-killers

Both have flaws and merits. What we are is the vanguard, loyal to the end, the core of the movement. Do we need more vanguard or more lemmings at this point? I think we have a sizable enough vanguard, the next step is bringing our small niche group into the mainstream.

A VERY easy way to win over normies is to make the opposition look corrupt or violent. That is easy enough, the leftists are extremely violent and the RINO cucks nobody has faith in anymore because they betray their campaign promises and side with Dems. The cucks are already atrophying in support simply because they have nothing to offer that excites anyone on any side. The leftists are predictably violent and stupid and ALWAYS show up at our events. We can have peaceful Gandhi-style protests where we don't defend ourselves at all and just let leftists wail on us, and we'll look like Jesus to the mainstream. Also, give a bit of lip service to injured leftists, tell them that "we are the party of peace we condemn these attacks our thoughts and prayers with you yada yada" like the leftists do with Islam, since it'll make us look more classy than "lol fat bitch got splatted".

Although appearing as Nazis and letting commies wail on us will backfire because in the public's mind Nazis are always violent so it'll just make us seem weak. This will only work if we present ourselves as respectable nationalist-flavor conservatives.

The more hardcore National Socialists will be upset that they can't bust commie skulls, but if they absolutely must, it would be better for them to act unaffiliated with the mainstream movement so as not to cause bad publicity.

I have been thinking and twisting my brain over the inability of the "MUH PR" faggots to express themselves in words. I think that they may be kinda right, but for the wrong reasons and with the wrong end conclusion.

I think that they fail to express the variables governing our society right now. Maybe they think that the jew programming is too volatile, too powerful to undo. That it is simply easier to save your race by avoiding harmful iconography. The problem of course with the PR cucks that often they associate themselves with civic nationalism, with zionism, with the whole bunch of lore that is detrimental to us.

But I got another idea, another outcome. What if instead of compromising on our ideals with them, we actually use their own legitimacy that they may have with the PR thing. But the middle and the end outcome are completely wrong though. The middle path is that of more de-programming of jew narratives. Look at pic related, do you think that our influence is a joke? I think that at this stage we hold about 3 million people wordwide, though most of them in the US. In some form of de-programming of the kike lies. A lot of them are fully deprogrammed, most are still only partially deprogrammed and many still, the newcomers are only slightly deprogrammed.

So what if we avoid the iconography and just keep on doing what we already are doing. The end effect of course is not that of compromise. We will never have to accept jews, niggers or mudslimes. What we could potentially just do is to keep on converting people, keep on playing on our strength here. Lets not get distracted too much by this false flag by that CIA kike Spencer. You guys forget that they also waged an internet attack, with godaddy, with some jewtube removal and more. So why not focus on that instead a bit more. As long as we exist, and as long as we can keep on going, more will come to our side every day. And then maybe in 6 months we get enough people, in the whole society who will finally be on our side, and then doing the roman salute will become a trivial thing when most are deprogrammed.

Though it is somewhat alarming that they may be making a new narrative based on their false flag with the CIA nigger. Probably shouldnt let that out of our sight as well?

Any thoughts on my less cucked PR faggotry?

so you can come to our little communities and demand we change our ways or die. I see what you're trying to do here.

Actually, I like the idea. The part about "let us live to make men free" refers to slaves, but we could omit it. Point is, we need to Americanize and create something new rather than just try to retread Hitler. We need organization, but we need a new plan, a new movement. We can't be straight NatSoc, but we can't be Alt-kike. Nazi Germany died in a fire, and now we can be reborn as a Phoenix, a new movement that carries the same ideals under a new name, some new ideas and banner.

A movement MUST have the support of the people to succeed. It is good to deprogram normies but NS only succeeded because the zeitgeist in Germany in the 20s-30s was one of open support for racialism, anti-jewish dialogue and so on. It was an attempt to reconcile all the major ideas ALREADY PRESENT in the mainstream. The mainstream has to be prodded patiently to our side.

The zeitgeist of USA right now is pro-freedom pro-tolerance. So we should focus on making ourselves seem more tolerant and free than the left. This doesn't mean abandoning our morals, but show how anti-white and stalinist the left has become.

There's no helping you if you seriously think that Mike Enoch, David Duke and Richard Spencer are going to be the next big things.

Gee, I wonder why. Maybe its because of the global media, while the degeneracy was mostly only contained in the cities in pre ww2 germany. Right now there is a blanket programming over the whole of society. With much better control. Its a weimar republic 2.0, and to fight it, we developed the natsoc reich 2.0. Not at all applicable your ideas are to this age.

Today OP wasn't a faggot. BUMP.

The queers who want to engage in 'dialogue' with leftist trash are cowards who don't really want to do anything because they don't want anything to really change.

We need ONE in EIGHT Whites. That's it.

What a waste of dubs. Something tells me you just want to fuck children. More tolerant than the left haha I don't even want to know what kind of degeneracy that looks like.

Dude, you will have grey pubes before anything happens if you continue to watch CNN and use Twitter and faceberg. Look at the fucking 'education' system today.

We need a 100++ Dodge Challengers a DAY.

We've been living under a nigger crime wave against our people for YEARS now. Does that play on your Jew box? Shitskins need to fear us. Big mouth kikes need their throats slit.

The Jew brainwashing is strong with this one. You want a blue ribbon from Shlomo? Don't hold your breathe. The average American is a fucking nigger today. No, 500 people tells you something about yourself. Which is why you, PLAY HERE, YOU!!! are really just one of the average boob tube watching normies.

Won't be a collapse? What do you think the point of that CIA OP was? It's a fucking coup to replace Trump. If not look at the debts around the world and unfunded pensions. MATH literally tells you collapse WILL occur.

Stop playing Jews games. Part of which means, being reactive.

who wants to bet this is a hate crime hoax to stir up tension re: cville across the country…

archive.is/O9YLk

love the passion mate, but they have 70 years of mind bending propaganda and disinfo that has molded two generations plus the current gays of media.

We can't fucking undo this harm in time to save our skin from their shitty plans, there has to another way…

Just watch us.

implying it wasn't a co-opt from the start with the very name originating from dicky spencer's jewish professor, whom he probably had sodomitic relations with.

well mate, we'll go with natsoc untill a better alternative is proposed
untill then could you refrain from

to be honest that is a hilarious thing to imagine

checked
does anyone have a copy?

SIEG HEIL

I legitimately believe that saving private Ryan and Schindler list are cornerstones of this propaganda. When people think about camps and the holocaust images from these movies are first to pop into their heads. Remember on dotr Spielberg needs to be necked first! The first 60 years were nothing in comparison to his two huge lie infused turds.

I disagree with you on us being pro-tolerance, but you are right in that NS worked for a very special reason in 30s Germany and it wouldn't work here today. Like I said before, a NS movement with a different name adjusted for the US would work pretty well, as long as we didn't have guys like Spencer in our ranks.

Anti globalization angle is good choice. The 'buy local' and support your local farms/small businesses crusades are the only causes that are usually filled with left leaning hippies that I can get 100% behind. Real economic left leaning policies can be very good. Jews use progressivism to promote their own type of ethnic supremacy. I don't think they believe their own garbage. It's just designed to destroy us.

Laughing my ass off at all the "muh PR" shit. I thought we moved past this in 2014.
To any of you who think that "bad optics" or whatever the fuck you continue to cry about is harming the success of the right: you are wrong. So very wrong. There is nothing that we could ever do or be associated with that normies would hate more than they hate antifa.
Nothing.
Let me tell you a short story. I know a girl who I despise as a person. From my perspective she is extremely far left, and I take every opportunity to make fun of her to her face for it. She's fucked guys of other races, had way too many relationships, daddy issues, etc and I can't stand how fucked she is. Even she wants antifa fucking dead. This girl who thinks miscegenation is A-OK and goes to fucking art school thinks that college campuses are too liberal. This girl who is a nearly completely braindead lefty NPC wants to see antifa totally wiped out.

That's how hated antifa is today. There's almost no-one who's willing to support them, to the point where those on the left would rather go back in time to the 40s and side with literal nazis than spend a moment talking to someone who's involved with antifa.

I'm not saying give up i'm trying to say why this muh pr and muh optics shit is gay.

Checked.

This was what those discrimination laws were really about.

1 in 3 think the holohoax was a myth, and thats far more than enough to start a revolutionary movement. You should never expect to please everyone, or to stop all the violent and hateful responses from the enemies of whites. The NSDAP was mocked just as much as Rockwell, and we will be too. You cant avoid it, you cant compromise for a second. Just keep pushing, just keep redpilling forcefully.

He will be successful at propaganda who succeeds in reducing his arguments to the simplest of terms, and repeating them regardless of the protests of the opposition.

- Goebbels

Or in other words, we have a right to exist. Thats why pic related is 11/10 when it comes to propaganda.

I would argue that learning that the past 70 years was a lie is an excellent way to "save the brand". The memes created on this board, TGSNT, and ultimately the people on this board are what saved me. I think it is unwise to throw away the movement, and it's history, that has inspired all of us. It is the truth that invigorates us and I fear that if we part with it because it is deemed by many as "evil", then we will lose sight of what truly matters.

Read this?

archive.org/stream/revoltagainstciv00stoduoft
The revolt against civilization : the menace of the under man.

Even saying "race is skin deep" and "same race, human race" or "one human family" is seen as white racism now.

Any thing a white says, at all, that isn't self-flagellation and cucking to shitskins is seen as racist, white supremacy, white privilege, ect.

They what white people dead, our history erased, and white daughters raped.

Underrated post.

It seems like an interesting book and I'll definitely give it a read once I'm done with the works of Sir Mosley, but this line still amused me quite a bit.

I have no idea what that forum is but I already know its garbage

There are many topics to redpill people on. Many of the positions that are espoused here are ones that are backed with fact and history. The media is able to lie to the public, because the public is uniformed.
Anons have rarely fallen on their own sword for a movement they created. Old movements are remembered and continue to influence, new movements can immediately take the offensive as they are not tied down. Truth is a weapon any group can be armed with.

We were 100 times more effective just spreading memes on the internet. Marching around with tiki torches was just retarded and did significant damage to our cause.

It's near impossible

Things are even going to come easy for us and everyone knew this. Its going to take effort to reach our goal

Wrong

If you're aiming for "PR" it's going to be gamertavistock all over again. We need action, and some way to organize it despite every tech company now conspiring against us.

The reason it doesn't work is because you fags are blowing your wads too fast. The numbers simply aren't there and you aren't helping by waving around swastikas and shit. I get the KKK and neo-nazi ideology but you have to be smart about what you do. Instead of focusing on that you need to focus on just getting normies turned off of commies and ANTIFA terrorists, which we were doing fine and then you retards at Charolettesville had to sperg out like homos and ruined all the traction. Like one of you fags said, waving around Swastikas and White Supremacy shit is just going to turn people away because the Media, and the vocal minority are just too large in numbers to fight it out on the streets and every time you losers go out there with that shit and then back down from fights like cucks you make everyone else seem weak and pathetic. You have to be smart and let the enemy keep making their mistakes. Instead of Swastika flags you should be flying anti-communist flags and remind the normies that we fought a 50 year long cold war with the Soviet Union, not reminding them we fought a war against fascism. Divert the peoples attention away

If the guys waving around swastikas started winning battles, people would join them. It's parading around in the streets not doing anything that fails. Doing nothing also fails.

The problem with these "Lemmings", the passive people who dare not step outside their box, is exactly that. They will not react when we get enough strength to threaten them. They will not improvise when we hit them from the side. They will not fight back what they can't easily find.

Remember, less than 10% of a population is politically active. It is only a matter of converting or getting rid off enough of the opposition. We already had Trump win despite him being against the whole system.

We are already making a comeback. We are a train that cannot be stopped, and "logic" is written all over us. Like we have survived before, we will survive again and will learn from our mistakes.

I've got this feeling. With Assange meeting with Trump, the DOJ slowly gathering data and subpoenas popping up here and there
We have not been down this path before user

William Pierce spoke against the "Movement Organization" frequently. You should have known already

The left always looks ridiculous but they consistently win, because they never admit they look ridiculous.

The left seeks objectives: ban this, ban that, stop this, stop that. The right marches for nebulous causes like free speech. Free speech is fucking stupid.

We should march against corporations for having too much power over speech and insist on laws against right of refusal over creed. Protest outside their houses. The left wins because they are annoying, scary pains in the ass and people give them things so they'll go away.

what a stupid post

I would take a different lesson than this:
Charolettesville and Boston are proof that we need to learn the mass networking and protest organizing skills from the left.

The left is ridiculously good at quickly organizing a mass of people to protest, riot and disrupt others. Our side was absolutely dwarfed by them.

We need to organize thousands of people at the next events we organize so that THEY are dwarfed by us. Once they start to see that their counter-protests are being dwarfed two things will happen.

-They will become agitated and scared, reckless. Because the "nazi menace" is winning. So they will act more extreme and thus expose themselves to the public in more outrageous ways.

-They will be less inclined to disrupt smaller conservative/rightwing events because they will start to feel vulnerable and won't be so quick to expose themselves to thousands of "enemies." This will be demoralizing in other words.

Mark my words, if we can get thousands of our people at the next event, we will really turn the tide of this.

and then the media underreports the size of the right-wingers that attended like they did with the sizes of the trump rallies
and they also make the left-wingers seem more numerous than they really are
only a complete government takeover, the removal of all subversion, and a takeover of the propaganda machine would realistically get the normies to become right-wing as far as an atheist would be concerned
and actually that probably wouldn't be enough; it'd probably prove too hard to deprogram the lefties, so we'd have to revoke their citizenships after telling them the truth about the "Jews" and communists over and over for a year straight, then deport them
then of course the main problems would be the military strength of other countries, as well as becoming a self-sufficient country, though the latter should be easy enough to do
i thought of spacing out my ideas, but if i did so id likely be accused of reddit spacing; i expect this post to be hard to read because of the formatting

Basically agree. Anyone with a clear perspective can see that 21st century America will never turn "hard race realism" on a large scale. If there's a big collapse, then it's quite possible… but beyond that, it will always be small minority. They dumbed us down too much, and they've educated enough of the talented- tenth non-whites, that clear disctinctions are too hard to make. Especially when you have so many tard types like that Fields guy or other meth heads.

One option is to try take control of a state… run out the non-whites, but you'll likely end up in a war. Is every WN prepared to die for the beliefs? Yeah na. Our generation is too materialist to care enough tbh.

The only way to have any movement work is to shut the mouths of the lügenpresse, and ideally take over the media from the inside. As long as the media is there to spin any facts how they like, and censor any forum that allows the truth to be posted, people will never hear the truth.

This is the general lesson for all the subversive tactics they're trying to pull right now. Call us Nazis? Nazis were pussies. False flag us with a CIA driven car of peace? We show up to the next rally in monster trucks and mad Max muscle cars. Psyop us to fight clowns? We hire them on as a comedia dell'arte paramilitary wing and pay them with liquor and soda. We are undefeatable, exponentially expanding, and ruthlessly efficient, and we do it all for free because it's funny.

"oi, don't get together, goy!"

There seems to be a consensus that CVille was some kind of a disaster. Am I really the only one who thinks CVille was a win? I think it was great. It made these kikes expose their nose to the world and showed that we are the good guys and we are not just a hundred internet shitposters.

I agree with your post overall, but none of what you say is an excuse to dress like a slob.

Never.

Holla Forums has been telling the alt-right this for what, two or three years now? Will they ever listen? The alt-right, at their core, are normalfags. They're natural followers, fundamentally unlike us. How can they be broken?

But the CIAniggers glow in the dark!!
Why didn't they see them during the night march.

The tiki-torches were too bright.

i thoroughly agree. Anglify it indeed. Anglo centric NS can spread into UK,US,CAN,AUS,NZ that way and we can use each others momentum. Also by having Anglo centric NS as opposed to German NS we don't have to work against the WW2 narrative, if we condone the third reich it will be received as a back hand slap to those who were apart of the allied effort and all the following generation who venerated allied vets in Anglo countries, sincerly Ausfag

but obviously each country needs it's own brand, but common themes for common objectives ya know?

lolno
Given the political trajectory Trump is on you fucking dumbasses are going to look like deranged Bush supporters circa 2007 soon. Now hush and go suck Pleasuregoons dick for those sweet upboats.

And you want people to bend over while American history and culture is being attacked? Sage

No, I agree with you user. CVille was a definite win. It's causing the vampires to come out. They're becoming increasingly desperate. The people who believe otherwise are PRfags who want good goy points from the Jewish media (which is never going to happen, not in a million years). The way to expose the Jewish media is to get them to openly align in the interests of kike communism and start spreading bad propaganda. The MSM is destroying itself as we speak and greater and greater shares of so called "lemmings" are thinking they're taking crazy pills.

The best propaganda is the truth and we have it on our side. Normies are seeing that Antifa are communists, they're not buying the programming. They're starting to recognize the problem. Just look at the comments sections on normie sites. There are calls of "Nazi sympathizer!" and also calls of "Communist sympathizer!" The gommies are openly placing Free Speech, Free Association and Private Property into the Nazi basket and trying to force people to choose between solidly American values and Marxist Kike bullshit.

It's obvious the fags in the Spencer didn't intend this to happen, but that's OK. Their fucking organization is weak and pacifist, they will never have true power. We need to keep our infiltration going.

Look at us - We CIA now.

except alt kike is not "we"

you still dont know how it works or what the MSM is?

user wtf am I reading. This book is fucking gold.